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Speaker 1: Needs the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight why this blue ship behind the Prime minister should
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Speaker 2: shame Australia as we beg for fuel an amazing new
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Speaker 2: poll for one nation and Donald Trump tells you around,
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Speaker 2: please don't kill these women just for protesting as the
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Speaker 2: regime tightens its script. Also tonight Maverick New Zealand politician
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Speaker 2: Winston Peters and whether it'll take over as prime minister
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Speaker 2: with a coalition government on the nose, and is he
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Speaker 2: New Zealand's paul In Hansen? But first, what an astonishing
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Speaker 2: admission today by Federal Health Minister Mark Butler and his
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Speaker 2: speech to the National Press Club today is when this
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Speaker 2: Labor government finally confronted the financial and moral catastrophe created
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Speaker 2: by an earlier labor government. It's when Butler took a
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Speaker 2: acts for the National Disability Insurance Scheme created thirteen years ago.
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Speaker 2: But then Prime Minister Labor prime Minister Julia Gillard, who
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Speaker 2: was thinking with a heart and not a head, desperate
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Speaker 2: to leave a legacy before she was dumped as prime minister.
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Speaker 2: How mutually attached was Gillard and all Labor really to
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Speaker 2: this NDAs well? Here is Gillard pointing the bills to
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Speaker 2: Parliament which created it.
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Speaker 3: The people who have gathered here today from around the
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Speaker 3: country to witness this debate know what this means. There
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Speaker 3: will be no more in principle, and no more when
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Speaker 3: circumstances permit.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: It will be launchers, not triumphs, Permanent care not temporary help.
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Speaker 3: Disability care starts in seven weeks time, and there will
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Speaker 3: be no turning back, no turning back.
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Speaker 2: And how desperate was that there wouldn't be even as
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Speaker 2: the NDAs blew out from the get go. Now today
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Speaker 2: an unbelievable one in thirty five Australians are on this scheme,
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Speaker 2: all of them claiming to be significantly and permanently disabled.
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Speaker 2: Does anyone believe that? Now? It's true, some really do
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Speaker 2: need to help, But there have also been plenty of
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Speaker 2: shunks signing up as well for care that even included
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Speaker 2: hiring prostitutes for them for a while, or going on
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Speaker 2: cruisers with a companion. And the crooks who call themselves
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Speaker 2: INDIS providers. I saw one charging INDIS clients up to
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Speaker 2: twenty times the market rate for equipment like shower stools
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Speaker 2: or wheelchairs. I reported this here, but as the NDIS
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Speaker 2: budget exploded, is now fifty billion a year and growing.
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Speaker 2: Labor fought like hell to stop coalition governments cracking down.
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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, for instance, when Scott Morrison was Minister
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Speaker 2: for Social Security and said the NDAs it's just not
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Speaker 2: financially sustainable, had to be fixed, Labour spokesman said, Oh,
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Speaker 2: Morrison was wrong. The NDIS, she said, is not an
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Speaker 2: extravagant or unaffordable scheme. And when Morrison became Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Trade again, Labour once more helped to stop him.
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Speaker 2: His spokesman, then Bill Shorten, said the fact that the
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Speaker 2: Morrison government was forced to abandon its new reforms was
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Speaker 2: great news. So what a change? Minister Mark Butler today
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Speaker 2: saying enough the NDAs was now a disaster and the
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Speaker 2: public's patients with it had run out.
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Speaker 4: Unless we take action to make it sustainable, it simply
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Speaker 4: will not be there in the future. For the Australians
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Speaker 4: who made up Mice, the NDIS has become a soft
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Speaker 4: target for Shanks and Wraughters.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's been obvious to me for years, said here often,
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Speaker 2: but Labour said, I'm less keen to admit it than
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Speaker 2: perhaps in part because of a fact confirmed today that
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Speaker 2: the top four suburbs for providers kicked off the NDAs
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Speaker 2: for being shunks are all in labor held electorates in
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Speaker 2: Western Sydney, Canterbury, Bankstown, Blacktown, Cumberland, Liverpool labour suburbs. But
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Speaker 2: reality has now bitten labor so hard today after four
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Speaker 2: years in government and with the NDIS still blowing budgets
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Speaker 2: and the Government's money now running out differences up to
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Speaker 2: its eyeballs. Butler let it all hang out, talked about
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Speaker 2: the mismanagement, the waste, the unsustainable expense and above all
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Speaker 2: the fraud.
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Speaker 4: This lack of integrity in the system has opened the
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Speaker 4: door to the worst parts of organized crime. The Australian
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Speaker 4: Criminal Intelligence Commission recently told a review into NDIS integrity
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Speaker 4: that criminals are paying cash kickbacks to participants in their
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Speaker 4: families and sometimes resorting to intimidation and threats of violence
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Speaker 4: towards vulnerable people. The Commission said large cash withdrawals, asset
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Speaker 4: purchases and fraudulent financial transactions are common, including efforts to
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Speaker 4: obscure the origin of NDIS funds.
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Speaker 2: Of course, if it's been so raughted and it's all
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Speaker 2: so obvious, you got to ask why labor didn't that
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Speaker 2: years ago. But you know, credit, I've never heard of
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Speaker 2: labor ministers speak so honestly about this labor icon, this program,
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Speaker 2: this indis and admit too, it had been flawed from
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Speaker 2: the start, bungled by people who thought with their heart
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Speaker 2: not their head, who like labor, so often judge things
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Speaker 2: by intentions and not results.
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Speaker 4: This scheme was designed with the very best of intentions,
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Speaker 4: but I think as time has gone on, we've found
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Speaker 4: that some of those design features aren't working well.
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Speaker 2: No kidding. So what reforms is Butler now promising a
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Speaker 2: lot that sounds good? For instance, every person on the
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Speaker 2: NDAs will be reassessed and shifted off if they don't
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Speaker 2: meet new eligibility criteria like really needing the help. There
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Speaker 2: are today seven hundred and sixty thousand Australians on this scheme.
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Speaker 2: Butler wants to cut that number by one hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixty thousand. He also wants care packages cut in value.
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Speaker 2: He wants to slash one of the most rauded parts
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Speaker 2: of the scheme, which is paying people to take NDS
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Speaker 2: participants on outings or gauge them somehow in the community.
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Speaker 2: Because you will not believe the kind of people charging
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Speaker 2: the fortune just to for instance, dump their NDIS client
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Speaker 2: at some community event.
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Speaker 4: We've received reports of participants falling out of their wheelchairs
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Speaker 4: while a support worker is squalling on their phone.
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Speaker 5: No connection there.
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Speaker 2: How people are offering such services will now have to
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Speaker 2: be registered and no more of. One of the most
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Speaker 2: extraordinary things about this scheme how people lodge six hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand claims a day for DAS payments that come without
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Speaker 2: any evidence. And there's more, including shifting people with the
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Speaker 2: lesser needs onto other schemes. All that Butler records he
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Speaker 2: can say fifteen billion dollars a year. Eventually, you know,
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Speaker 2: like the end of the decade, give the time we will.
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Speaker 2: Labour now have the guts that deliver on its promise
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Speaker 2: of big cuts. I believe it when I see it.
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Speaker 2: And of course we're going to have to subtrack the
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Speaker 2: costs of the new or alternative schemes that a lot
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Speaker 2: of people booted off the DAS will go on to.
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Speaker 2: Butler says a set aside ten billion dollars just for that.
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Speaker 2: But at least as that has been made, Labor has
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Speaker 2: confronted what it's created and admitted, like Frankenstein, it's a monster.
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Speaker 2: Now despite that tough talk from Butler. I heard the
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Speaker 2: Prome minister earlyer tod they talked like a get a
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Speaker 2: labor holdout, still claiming he didn't consider the dollars when
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Speaker 2: it came to the NDIS.
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Speaker 6: I said, the ndis not as a fiscal position. The
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Speaker 6: important thing is that it deliver what it was intended
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Speaker 6: to do, looking after people Australians with disabilities, making sure
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Speaker 6: they can fully participate in society.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is the political panel Cameron Milner, former chief
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Speaker 2: of Staff, the Labor leader, Bill Shorten now Director of
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Speaker 2: g XO Strategies, and Michael Costa, former New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Labor Treasurer. Cameron, why after thirteen years is labor finally
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Speaker 2: agreeing to take an axe the NDAs And why now
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Speaker 2: when it stopped much more modest reforms before.
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Speaker 7: Well, not a moment too soon for good work, Andrew.
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Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, this is
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Speaker 7: a rotted system which has lots and lots of people
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Speaker 7: think it's a welfare card to getting an EYTV or xbox.
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Speaker 7: I mean the number of people who want their children
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Speaker 7: enrolled into the NDAs for having a headache or being
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Speaker 7: contankerous in the classroom. It's an absolute rout and that's
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Speaker 7: what's added to the top of it. The thing that
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Speaker 7: annoys me, though, is there are people who have genuine needs,
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Speaker 7: who are genuinely disabled andrew who out there who need
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Speaker 7: the NDAs. And the ruders and the people have taken
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Speaker 7: the froth off the top are the ones who should
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Speaker 7: be punished and kicked off the scheme, But so should
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Speaker 7: the middlemen. There's so many private sector people in there
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Speaker 7: routing a place senseless. And what worries me about today's
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Speaker 7: promise is it's a great headline, but it won't start
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Speaker 7: until twenty twenty eight. So congratulations Mark Butler for the
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Speaker 7: making the tough headline. But let's get rid of the
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Speaker 7: ruders now. If we know people are thieving from the system,
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Speaker 7: let's stop them stealing tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Michael Koss, why has the penny dropped only now when
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Speaker 2: you just said, Cameron say, you know it's been around
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Speaker 2: for ages, it's been a problem. Why only now, and
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Speaker 2: why in fact wait until twenty eight.
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Speaker 8: Well, look, firstly, I'm not going to criticize the reform
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Speaker 8: that I've been calling for. So look, I support all
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Speaker 8: the measures in the reform. I think they can be
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Speaker 8: a bit tougher. I think we really do need to
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Speaker 8: look at tightening all diagnoses and also having fixed payments
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Speaker 8: for services provided so that you know, you don't have
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Speaker 8: people ruting the system. But in addition, I think they
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Speaker 8: really do need and just to take up Cameron's point
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Speaker 8: one that I've made also in the past and you have, Andrew,
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Speaker 8: I think they should set up a joint task force
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Speaker 8: between the federal Police and the state police using their
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Speaker 8: powers to confiscate the proceeds of criminal assets and really
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Speaker 8: go after the waters. You know, that's money well worth spent,
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Speaker 8: and they should do that.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 8: On the question of why, I think it's pretty obvious, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: They've got a budget coming up, and you know, I
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Speaker 8: hope the commentators picked this up. They've made an assumption
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Speaker 8: of a two percent growth in the NDIS over the
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Speaker 8: forward estimates over the next four years, where it's currently
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Speaker 8: running roughly at ten percent. Now, if you do the
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Speaker 8: mass just on the back of an envelope, that's about
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Speaker 8: twenty billion dollars they can book on the budget as
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Speaker 8: savings going forward to fill their for their spending. So
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Speaker 8: let's not kid ourselves. And the reason they've announced it
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Speaker 8: today is so that he can credibly put it in
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Speaker 8: the budget as a twenty billion roughly savings in the
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Speaker 8: forward estimates. Now, they've announced these things in the past, Andrew,
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Speaker 8: and they never ever deliver on it. Wait for the kickback.
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Speaker 8: We saw the kickback in the age care. We'll see
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Speaker 8: the kickback and let's see if these savings come. But
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Speaker 8: that's the reason, because you can book twenty bit and
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Speaker 8: over the forward estimates.
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Speaker 2: They're just underlying that. The government did say are we
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Speaker 2: going to cut it down to five to six percent
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Speaker 2: growth year today? Butler said we're having trouble even making
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Speaker 2: limiting it to eight percent, and now it's putting in
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Speaker 2: the budget we'll get it down to two percent. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I can't be you know, it's just hard to believe.
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Speaker 2: Hard to believe now listen on this point, on this
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Speaker 2: very point, because I don't believe that they can actually
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Speaker 2: do that. I don't think they've got the stomach for it, really, Cameron,
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Speaker 2: I might be a little too cynical, but look, judge
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Speaker 2: by this. Earlier today we saw the government back down
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Speaker 2: on a one billion dollar saving to its home care
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Speaker 2: package for elderly Australians. It says it's got it wrong,
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Speaker 2: and it's going to stop now charging the co payments
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Speaker 2: that introduced for home care services such as assisted showering
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Speaker 2: and dressing. That's all going to be free again. So
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Speaker 2: what does that tell you about the fifteen billion dollars
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Speaker 2: a year it's today claimed? It will say from the
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Speaker 2: NDAs well. It's vulnerable to weak elbow, isn't it at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day. I mean a bit of
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Speaker 2: pliical pression. It's like faiths. So to my to Michael's point,
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's.
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Speaker 7: A great number for Jim's budget because I'll be able
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Speaker 7: to book a huge saving.
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Speaker 2: But the proofs gave me the pudding. But we know
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Speaker 2: what the problem is, Andrew.
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Speaker 7: That's full of wroughters and full of people trying to
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Speaker 7: rout the system, and they never got rid of for
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Speaker 7: the real people who really need the care. So the
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Speaker 7: actual dollars are spent on people with actual disabilities.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely correct, Michael. On Monday, there were two poles
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Speaker 2: showing a two point drop in support for Paul Enhance's
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Speaker 2: One Nation. There were claims that it had peaked, that
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Speaker 2: was on the slide now, but today these SKAE News
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Speaker 2: YouGov polls showed something radically different, support for One Nation
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Speaker 2: going up too points to now level with the Albanizi
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Speaker 2: government on twenty seven percent to support for Labour fel
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Speaker 2: another three points is sloss a quarter of its vote
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Speaker 2: at the last selection. If you distribute preferences, one nation
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Speaker 2: is even within touching distance of Labor forty eight percent
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Speaker 2: to Labour's fifty too closer than liberals can get. Now,
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Speaker 2: this might be a Roague pole, Michael, but it has
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Speaker 2: to frighten the Albanezy government, doesn't it. Oh they're frightened already.
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Speaker 8: I think that's why Albo's running around pretending he's saving
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Speaker 8: us on the fuel crisis. I mean, it's just pathetic
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Speaker 8: watching him at the moment. But look Andrew on those poles,
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Speaker 8: I think all of them are within the margin of area.
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Speaker 8: Go up two percent or full two percent on one
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Speaker 8: pole is going to make much difference. I think the
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Speaker 8: key thing that I saw happen in the last few
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Speaker 8: days is that the sensible position of the coalition doing
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Speaker 8: preference steels with one Nation looks like it's going to
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Speaker 8: come to fruition in the pharaoh by election. Now if
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Speaker 8: they continue to do that, I think they've got a
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Speaker 8: hope of putting the government under pressure. As I said,
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Speaker 8: I always worried that without a preference Steel, all they
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Speaker 8: were doing was making it easier for Our able to
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Speaker 8: get an increased majority. So I think that's the important thing.
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Speaker 8: But look, Labor is under pressure. Those Poles I think
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Speaker 8: accurately reflect the concerns with Labor. I don't know if
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Speaker 8: they accurately reflect One Nation support across all of the
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Speaker 8: electorates in the country, but clearly their Labour's got a
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Speaker 8: massive problem.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of the polls, Cameron?
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Speaker 7: Well, as you and I've discussed for a while Andrew,
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Speaker 7: I mean One Nation was always going to take from
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Speaker 7: the coalition, just like farraged in the UK and then
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Speaker 7: come for Labour's vote, and that's what they're doing. The
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Speaker 7: Poles are showing a serious number of working class and
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Speaker 7: people under cost living pressure who were previously Labor voters
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Speaker 7: now plumbing for One Nation. That's why One Nation is
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Speaker 7: doing so well in these poles. It doesn't matter which
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Speaker 7: pole it is. The trend is their friends. They are
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Speaker 7: becoming a party of choice for people. They're becoming an
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Speaker 7: established political presence in our system. At the expense of
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Speaker 7: the liberals, but also at the expense of a week
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Speaker 7: labor government that's not doing enough on cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa the Cameron Milner, thank you very much to
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Speaker 2: you both. After the break the blue ship behind Anthony
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Speaker 2: ALBERANIZI today, why is in fact our ship of shame? Well,
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Speaker 2: it turns out the petrol crisis will get worse because
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Speaker 2: he runs more pragmatic leaders are so scared of the
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Speaker 2: militants and the Revolutionary Guard Corps over there that they
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Speaker 2: didn't turn up today in Pakistan for peace talks with
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Speaker 2: the US. Now President Trump said, okay, I'll extend the
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Speaker 2: cease fire a bit more. While we sought this out,
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Speaker 2: it was going to expire tomorrow. In fact, it may
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Speaker 2: still see two other things today we're even more concerning.
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Speaker 2: One the Uranian ship that the US seized on the
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Speaker 2: weekend was coming from China with reportedly missile fuel ingredients
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Speaker 2: for Iran. That's a hostile act. Now. Trump didn't confirm
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Speaker 2: that yesterday, but he's sure wasn't happy.
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Speaker 9: We caught a ship yesterday that had some things on
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Speaker 9: it which wasn't very nice. A gift from China. Perhaps,
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Speaker 9: I don't know. But I was a lot of surprised,
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Speaker 9: but because of a very good relationship and I thought
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Speaker 9: I had an understanding with President Hip.
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Speaker 2: What's more, the US has now stopped a tanker are
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Speaker 2: going to China illegally with Iranian oil, and that interdiction
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Speaker 2: should upset China a lot. And this of course saw
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Speaker 2: this its trouble for US as well, and that's made
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Speaker 2: me even more interested in the light blue ship over
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's shoulds today when he announced that Portbutney
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Speaker 2: is scrounging Tour of Asia had paid.
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Speaker 6: Off Export finance. Australia has been able to work with
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Speaker 6: businesses to secure four additional cargoes of diesel for Australia
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Speaker 6: combined our new additional two hundred million liters of diesel.
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Speaker 6: These cargoes coming from South Korea, two of them one
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Speaker 6: from Brunei and one from Malaysia, two destinations where I visited.
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Speaker 6: Last night, I was able to talk with President Paboo
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Speaker 6: to thank him, the Indonesian President, for the two hundred
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Speaker 6: and fifty thousand additional tons of fertilizer that we've been
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Speaker 6: able to secure.
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Speaker 2: So great, you know, championship scrounging. But that Blue ship
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Speaker 2: behind him is actually a ship of shame because of
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Speaker 2: what our reporter Crystal Woo reported later.
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Speaker 10: Behind me in that blue vessel, that's where about fifty
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Speaker 10: million liters of diesel has come in from the US.
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Speaker 2: From the US. Yes, that tanker with diesel that's come
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Speaker 2: to save us literally from grinding to a halt, is
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Speaker 2: from a refinery in Washington State. And the shame in
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Speaker 2: that is this. Until twenty years ago, the US had
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Speaker 2: no diesel to spare for its friends at all. It
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Speaker 2: used more diesel than it made and depended on imports.
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Speaker 2: But the US then did what green mad Australia would not.
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Speaker 2: It went flat out with the shale revolution, that is,
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Speaker 2: using unconventional drilling TEA techniques such as horizontal drilling and
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Speaker 2: particularly fracking, injecting sand and chemicals and water to break
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Speaker 2: up the rocks and unlock more oil and gas. That
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Speaker 2: was so spectacularly successful that the US is now a
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Speaker 2: big exporter of petroleum, including diesel, And that means American
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Speaker 2: can save a country like Australia that's refused to save itself.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you take Victoria. It didn't just ban these
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Speaker 2: unconventional techniques on dodgy scare claims that they were unsafe,
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Speaker 2: but it even changed the state's constitution to try to
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Speaker 2: stop any future government from seeing sense and New South
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Speaker 2: Wales frackling is heavily restricted regulated. South Australia. West Australia
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Speaker 2: ban fracking parts of this state. Tasmania's banned fracking to
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty. In fact, government green tape and black tape
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Speaker 2: make it almost impossible anyway for anyone to drill in
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Speaker 2: any way for new oil anywhere, and we've let so
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Speaker 2: many refineries close so result we import now up to
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Speaker 2: ninety percent of our petrol and diesel. So that blue
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Speaker 2: ship behind Albanezi has now got to come halfway around
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Speaker 2: the world with stuff that we could have taken from
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Speaker 2: right under our feet and refined on our own soil.
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Speaker 2: That is shameful. Joining me is Rondine. It's turned Chief
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Speaker 2: of the Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders every Sunday at
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Speaker 2: nine am, host of his own show on Fridays at
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Speaker 2: seven pm. Ron You've been saying, yeah, this same sort
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Speaker 2: of stuff for years as well. That tanker from America,
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Speaker 2: doesn't that say it all about how much of this
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Speaker 2: fuel crisis is because of governments right here, and governments
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Speaker 2: of both sides.
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Speaker 11: Will you write, Andrew, and you're right to point out
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Speaker 11: that it is a ship of shame. It's also yet
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Speaker 11: another example of Donald Trump riding to the rescue of
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Speaker 11: the Australian Energy Mike or.
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Speaker 1: Whatever you call it.
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Speaker 11: Chris Bowen sits there over Anthony Albanesi's shoulders. The two
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Speaker 11: of them, metaphorically speaking, should be in the stocks. In
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Speaker 11: my opinion, future historians are going to look back on
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Speaker 11: the utter stupidity, but not just the stupidity, the brazen
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Speaker 11: negligence and lack of care that successive governments have shown.
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Speaker 11: All all of it down to the climate cult and
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Speaker 11: this mad green obsession, both sides of politics. But it's
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Speaker 11: been the climate cult all along, Andrew. You were onto
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Speaker 11: it twenty years ago. I've been on to it for
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Speaker 11: the same length of time. Most intelligent people recognized it
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Speaker 11: was a croc from the word go.
21:38
Speaker 1: Yet the cowards went along with it.
21:40
Speaker 11: The cowards and the Liberal Party and the ideologues and
21:43
Speaker 11: the cowards and the Labor Party went along with it.
21:46
Speaker 1: We are seeing pure ideology. It wouldn't be hugely.
21:51
Speaker 11: Funny and hugely fascical if it weren't so terribly serious
21:56
Speaker 11: and tragic and what they've done to this country. As
21:58
Speaker 11: you said, fracking was all there. I remember, you know,
22:01
Speaker 11: ten twenty years ago, people saying, oh, this is great,
22:03
Speaker 11: I could have some fracking on my land, make a
22:05
Speaker 11: bit of money out of this or that up in
22:07
Speaker 11: the northern western New South Wales or wherever. People are
22:11
Speaker 11: saying I could do this, I could do that.
22:13
Speaker 1: He is our chance. This is the new entrepreneurial thing.
22:16
Speaker 1: It was great technology. There was a lot of talk about.
22:20
Speaker 11: It, and then bam, in came the greens, the climate cult,
22:23
Speaker 11: and yet they turned the tap off on every single aspect.
22:28
Speaker 11: They've made so much green tape, red tape, black tape.
22:31
Speaker 11: You know, you couldn't frack any anyway, because there'd be
22:33
Speaker 11: some spotted indigenous green frog or something or other that
22:37
Speaker 11: you'd have to worry about as well hitting a song line,
22:40
Speaker 11: you know.
22:40
Speaker 1: Sixty feet down.
22:43
Speaker 11: We have destroyed this country and this is a disgrace
22:45
Speaker 11: what the people have done, the people of the climate
22:47
Speaker 11: cult have done to this country, and they still don't
22:50
Speaker 11: seem to learn.
22:51
Speaker 1: Andrew. I saw Chris Bowen sitting there.
22:54
Speaker 11: I think it was a real bit of footage, but
22:56
Speaker 11: he was shaking his hands with the rage going, this
22:58
Speaker 11: is a fossil fuel crisis. No, Chris, it's an empty crisis.
23:03
Speaker 11: And you are the enegy minister, and you are not
23:05
Speaker 11: able to provide us with energy. Therefore you should resign.
23:09
Speaker 11: That's what most people do when they're incapable of seeing
23:13
Speaker 11: the problem, let alone fixing the problem.
23:17
Speaker 1: So true.
23:18
Speaker 2: So look, I'll give you another example of this hatred
23:23
Speaker 2: of the fossil fuels that keeps the very fossil fuels
23:26
Speaker 2: that keeps this economy afloat. Right, this hatred that is
23:29
Speaker 2: so astonishing and ignorant. Now, right now, we have got
23:34
Speaker 2: the Greens, we've got some labor in peace like it
23:36
Speaker 2: you saw yesterday, and some climate independence in Parliament demanding
23:42
Speaker 2: that we hit gas exporters with a new twenty five
23:46
Speaker 2: percent tax on what they send off shore. Now, one
23:49
Speaker 2: of those independents is Senator David Pocock, who Rowan made
23:53
Speaker 2: a video that went viral accusing gas and oil companies
23:56
Speaker 2: of paying less tax than beer companies, citing the petroleum
24:00
Speaker 2: resources rent tax. Here it is sorry about taking a
24:03
Speaker 2: little time here, but here it is in its full
24:06
Speaker 2: glorious ignorance.
24:08
Speaker 7: Would it be appy to say that the tax on
24:11
Speaker 7: offshore gas exports PRT is still giving us less revenue
24:15
Speaker 7: than a tax on beer.
24:18
Speaker 12: That look, sorry, spive a second, the twenty five twenty
24:24
Speaker 12: six in MONIFO taxes on beer. We're expecting two point
24:28
Speaker 12: seven billion taxes from peterble RT one point five So yes,
24:33
Speaker 12: loved them.
24:35
Speaker 11: How how do we live in a country one of
24:38
Speaker 11: the biggest gas exporters in the world.
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Speaker 1: And we're getting more tax from beer than PRT.
24:46
Speaker 2: So then went viral a lot of outrage. Who's saying, yes, David,
24:50
Speaker 2: go for it. In fact, gas and oil companies don't
24:52
Speaker 2: just pay that one and a half billion in PRT,
24:55
Speaker 2: but another six and a half billion in royalties and excise.
24:59
Speaker 2: How for a billion in other taxes and a massive
25:03
Speaker 2: thirteen billion extra in company taxes? Rowan, Why isn't all
25:08
Speaker 2: that mentioned?
25:10
Speaker 11: Well, it's not mentioned because it doesn't fit the agenda
25:13
Speaker 11: and the narrative. But there's something very, very peculiar about
25:16
Speaker 11: a country in which the measure of success is how
25:19
Speaker 11: much tax you're supposed to be paying.
25:23
Speaker 1: The measure of success should.
25:24
Speaker 11: Be how much profit you are making, how many jobs
25:27
Speaker 11: you are creating, and out of that will naturally come.
25:32
Speaker 1: Reams of tax.
25:34
Speaker 11: But it comes out of productivity, it comes out of
25:36
Speaker 11: being successful, it comes out of being entrepreneurial. That's where
25:39
Speaker 11: your tax dollars come from. It doesn't come from David
25:42
Speaker 11: Pocock or Amandarin sitting around camera going well, let's charge
25:46
Speaker 11: more tax to this company or that tax company. I mean,
25:49
Speaker 11: as a beer drinking country, we should be proud of
25:51
Speaker 11: the amount of beer we drink because we're making so
25:54
Speaker 11: much and we're making money and we're making profits, and
25:56
Speaker 11: from that will flow taxes. Similarly, with gas, we should
25:59
Speaker 11: be proudly amount of gas we are exporting around the
26:02
Speaker 11: world as well as using locally, because the more we where,
26:05
Speaker 11: the more we export, the more we create, the more
26:07
Speaker 11: we dig out or drill out of the ground, the
26:09
Speaker 11: more tax will automatically come. And these idiots don't seem
26:13
Speaker 11: to understand the basic rule of economics, which is you
26:16
Speaker 11: tax something in order to slow it down, in order
26:20
Speaker 11: to cripple it. As an industry, you lower taxes in
26:24
Speaker 11: order to encourage more productivity, more growth, and more industry.
26:28
Speaker 11: We should be talking about isn't it great how little
26:31
Speaker 11: tax we are paying not how isn't it great how
26:34
Speaker 11: much tax?
26:34
Speaker 1: Or why isn't so and so paying more tax?
26:37
Speaker 11: We're about to see in the budget communism at work,
26:40
Speaker 11: socialism at work in Australia, where they ramp up our
26:43
Speaker 11: taxes because they have no way of generating productivity in
26:47
Speaker 11: this nation, because successive governments have crippled every single avenue
26:51
Speaker 11: for people and companies to invest and make money in
26:54
Speaker 11: this country. We're heading down a very dark and dangerous path.
26:57
Speaker 11: We need Harvey a Mila to come along and sort
27:00
Speaker 11: us out.
27:04
Speaker 2: That would be most entertaining. And I don't realize too
27:08
Speaker 2: that you whack a big taxes, big enough that you
27:10
Speaker 2: wack on you'll kill the industry and the governments you'll
27:13
Speaker 2: actually earn less. We saw that with of course, the
27:16
Speaker 2: government going up and up with tobacco taxes to the
27:19
Speaker 2: point where so many Australians switched to illegal tobacco instead
27:23
Speaker 2: and revenue fell plummeted a fraction of That's what they'll
27:28
Speaker 2: do to the gas industry too. Rondine, thank you so
27:32
Speaker 2: much for your time. Honestly, it's that easy to go
27:36
Speaker 2: and oh you know these people say, oh we're being
27:38
Speaker 2: robbed of our gas and our oil. You know, if
27:40
Speaker 2: it's that easy, look, get a shovel and go and
27:43
Speaker 2: dig it yourself, because in fact this oil and gas
27:47
Speaker 2: is only coming out of the ground because mostly foreign
27:50
Speaker 2: companies using foreign investment, risk billions and billions and billions
27:56
Speaker 2: of dollars to develop those assets. And now you want
27:59
Speaker 2: to pinch it. If it's that easy, get a shovel,
28:02
Speaker 2: get it yourself. Honestly, after the break, Winston Peters, will
28:08
Speaker 2: he do in New Zealand what Pauline Hanson and Naja
28:10
Speaker 2: Faraje have done in their countries. I'll talk to the
28:12
Speaker 2: man that some commentators now say could be New Zealand's
28:16
Speaker 2: next prime minister. The traditional political parties aren't just in
28:24
Speaker 2: trouble here or in Britain, or in France or even America.
28:28
Speaker 2: I mean Donald Trump essentially really did take over the
28:31
Speaker 2: Republican Party. Now in New Zealand, Labor got smashed at
28:35
Speaker 2: the last election despite sanche Cinda Derna and now the
28:41
Speaker 2: coalition led by the Nationals it looks like becoming the
28:45
Speaker 2: first one term Nationals government history. In the November election,
28:48
Speaker 2: with the new poll showing Labour shooting up to lead
28:50
Speaker 2: the Nationals for the first time in years, with the
28:53
Speaker 2: Nationals and coalition partner Act or Act both dropping a lot,
28:59
Speaker 2: but the third partner, New Zealand First, is steady. Other
29:03
Speaker 2: polls actually show it growing. Now that's interesting because New
29:07
Speaker 2: Zealand First is actually led by the anti woke populist
29:10
Speaker 2: politician Winston Peters, former Foreign is a former deputy. What
29:14
Speaker 2: has an he done? Actually, by the way, former deputy
29:17
Speaker 2: promis in both Labor and Nationalists governments and is now
29:21
Speaker 2: talked about as perhaps the next Prime minister. This eighty
29:25
Speaker 2: year older could save the government if he took over
29:27
Speaker 2: from the wooden Chris Slutson, who still talks like the
29:30
Speaker 2: business leader he once was calling voters customers.
29:35
Speaker 7: You've looked out of touch at times, and that's what
29:38
Speaker 7: New Zealanders are saying about you.
29:40
Speaker 13: Well, I think New Zealanders also respect that I'm actually
29:43
Speaker 13: here to bring the skills that I've got from a
29:44
Speaker 13: previous life to actually sort things out and work our.
29:47
Speaker 2: Way through the mixt But being in touch. Answer the question, well,
29:50
Speaker 2: undercent of people say you're out of touch.
29:52
Speaker 13: Well, I just say to you, I think it's been
29:54
Speaker 13: a belief system of mine. If you don't talk to
29:56
Speaker 13: the customer, to the to the public, to the people,
30:00
Speaker 13: and actually find out what their concerns are, and their
30:02
Speaker 13: concerns are being really played back. It's interesting to use
30:05
Speaker 13: that word though, Ay you just use the c word customer.
30:07
Speaker 1: Well, just because of my background of it.
30:09
Speaker 13: When you've lost business, do you need to.
30:12
Speaker 2: Ditch down on them?
30:13
Speaker 1: I just talk a little bit more normally.
30:17
Speaker 2: I was joined earlier by Winston Peters. Winston Peters, it's
30:21
Speaker 2: great to catch up again. What's gone wrong with this government?
30:26
Speaker 14: I look the government that's comprised of three colors and partners,
30:30
Speaker 14: and a couple of those partners are not doing too
30:33
Speaker 14: well in the polls, and so naturally you get a
30:37
Speaker 14: sense of angst and there are sad internal panic and
30:41
Speaker 14: it's led to certain actions being taken, which has given
30:45
Speaker 14: the media, you know, enormous christ to their mill.
30:49
Speaker 5: So to speak, in speculation. That's what's gone wrong.
30:55
Speaker 2: Which actions are you particularly singling out? Well?
30:59
Speaker 14: Because the poles not being so good, the A based
31:01
Speaker 14: the question about whether the Prime Minister would be challenged
31:05
Speaker 14: for his job and this has led a knee into
31:09
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister putting the question to his caucus yesterday.
31:14
Speaker 5: Is yet not by caucus member, but by.
31:17
Speaker 14: Himself, and so the ramifications of that, I'm maybely obvious
31:21
Speaker 14: for anybody that's got experience, but they're being paid as
31:23
Speaker 14: something they've been paid as something sort of alarming going forward.
31:29
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I couldn't believe it when I saw that. I
31:32
Speaker 2: mean talk about a way of putting a knee on
31:34
Speaker 2: sign over your head saying I'm in trouble, I'm in trouble,
31:37
Speaker 2: and then you get all the lines there. My colleagues
31:39
Speaker 2: are right behind me, which translated means to know they're not.
31:44
Speaker 2: You mentioned two of the three parties in government are
31:48
Speaker 2: flagging in the polls. You very modestly admitted to admitted
31:54
Speaker 2: the fact that yours isn't New Zealand. First, some commentators
31:58
Speaker 2: are actually saying that you should take over from Christopher
32:00
Speaker 2: lux And as Prime Minis because you're about as popular
32:03
Speaker 2: as him in the polls and at least a fresh face.
32:05
Speaker 2: And I doubt you're someone who would call votus customers.
32:09
Speaker 2: Are you interested? Would you do it?
32:12
Speaker 5: Are looking my responsibility and my party knows this.
32:16
Speaker 14: We've told each other in our focused as a buddy,
32:19
Speaker 14: your responsibility is something that doesn't not mentioned in polls
32:23
Speaker 14: by paul scientists or historians. But your number responsibility and
32:27
Speaker 14: any democracy is to provide a think called stability of
32:31
Speaker 14: the political system because people will ever express it, and
32:36
Speaker 14: they'll do a thousands of things they they'll vote for,
32:39
Speaker 14: but the unconscious things they want, the mass majority is
32:43
Speaker 14: a stable democracy.
32:44
Speaker 5: And that's what our responsibility is, and that's what we're doing.
32:47
Speaker 2: Win, Sir Peter's Police. You've got an election coming up
32:49
Speaker 2: this year. You're going to get craned the way the
32:53
Speaker 2: polls are looking. You don't want stability. You want to win.
32:56
Speaker 2: You want to win. Would you put up your hand
32:57
Speaker 2: if you could, if you thought you could save the
33:00
Speaker 2: the government.
33:01
Speaker 5: We have already put up a hand. That's why we're
33:03
Speaker 5: out there packing the halls in New Zealand.
33:06
Speaker 14: Like no other political party, none of the rest don't
33:08
Speaker 14: hold political meetings like the old fashioned way. We are
33:11
Speaker 14: and we've got wall to war meetings around the country
33:14
Speaker 14: and it represents the what you might call the grassroots
33:18
Speaker 14: concern that we in politics focus on the real people
33:21
Speaker 14: issues like the cost of living, like the cost of energy,
33:24
Speaker 14: like the cost of fuel, and not always globalist in
33:27
Speaker 14: a nice to do or work ambitions but us so
33:30
Speaker 14: much part of the political manifesto these days, that's a
33:33
Speaker 14: waste of people's time. They want us to get back
33:35
Speaker 14: to the rudimentary, fundamental things. And my part is going
33:38
Speaker 14: to do extraorted well in the next election because we've
33:40
Speaker 14: set out a long time ago to enunciate and to
33:43
Speaker 14: pronounce and speak and campaign on those fundamental issues. We're nationalists,
33:48
Speaker 14: we're not globalists. We're out to make a country called
33:51
Speaker 14: New Zealand the best company we can.
33:56
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hearing so much there and that advertisement and
33:59
Speaker 2: that that manifesto that sounds to me like a coded
34:04
Speaker 2: yes to my previous question. But I'll move on. That
34:07
Speaker 2: agenda is sketched out now that just, you know, absolutely
34:12
Speaker 2: charms in with a lot that we're hearing from populist
34:15
Speaker 2: parties around the world. And when Sir Peter's I'm not
34:17
Speaker 2: saying populace in a negative way. I'm talking about responsive
34:21
Speaker 2: to what the popular want. Populist parties are soaring in
34:26
Speaker 2: the polls in Britain, with the Reform Party in Australia,
34:29
Speaker 2: with One Nation in France elsewhere. Now the Poles don't
34:34
Speaker 2: really show the same phenomenon in New Zealand yet although
34:38
Speaker 2: your party, the New Zealand First Party, is now at
34:41
Speaker 2: ten percent. What's the difference between New Zealand and the
34:47
Speaker 2: kind of people I'm to the other countries I'm talking about,
34:50
Speaker 2: or just we have to sit back and wait and
34:52
Speaker 2: see it really take off now.
34:55
Speaker 14: Like we've were more than doubled out about at the
34:56
Speaker 14: last election, already were passed. We're past the fifteen said
35:00
Speaker 14: mark now and that was the most recent respectable poll.
35:06
Speaker 14: We are, unfortunately, have a very said paulling history in
35:09
Speaker 14: our country in Australia, if there are gaps or three
35:12
Speaker 14: percent or where in Australian polls, they get together and
35:15
Speaker 14: discuss it. In Zum sometimes our gaps can be forty
35:17
Speaker 14: percent and they keep on eyging we're right and you're wrong.
35:19
Speaker 14: So for some poles we respecting, some we don't. But
35:22
Speaker 14: this even First has done more than double its vote
35:24
Speaker 14: and since the last election. Then we're not stopping now.
35:27
Speaker 14: It's right in line with our timetable. We set ourselves
35:31
Speaker 14: to be where we are right here, right now.
35:35
Speaker 2: Okay, So do you think the same phenomena been describing
35:40
Speaker 2: like reform. I don't want to say that you are
35:43
Speaker 2: many reformed, that you are a clone of One Nation
35:45
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But I'm just saying the populist
35:49
Speaker 2: wave is that going to hit New Zealand.
35:53
Speaker 5: Look before MAGA, before.
35:57
Speaker 14: U kept and before One Nation, there was a party
36:01
Speaker 14: of the movement to call New Zealand First and its
36:04
Speaker 14: theme was to make New Zealand as number one in
36:05
Speaker 14: the world again. So when you say about being a populist, well,
36:09
Speaker 14: who on earth wants to be unpopular in politics? And
36:12
Speaker 14: we've been criticized for that. We've been criticized for being
36:14
Speaker 14: nationalists and criticise will being patriots and what have you.
36:18
Speaker 14: And here's the point. We've stuck with it, and the clock,
36:22
Speaker 14: the clock of time politically has caught up with us.
36:25
Speaker 14: People now believe there's something seriously write with our policies.
36:31
Speaker 2: When sir Peters, I'm looking forward to the election with
36:34
Speaker 2: a great interest. Thank you so much for speaking to me.
36:39
Speaker 5: Now, thanks for chance to be on the show.
36:43
Speaker 2: After the break, the India says it changed Australians, helped
36:47
Speaker 2: change them into welfared junkies. Because you will not believe,
36:51
Speaker 2: but some people on that scheme think they should get
36:54
Speaker 2: for free on your dime. I reckon. We'll look back
37:02
Speaker 2: at the National Disability Insurance Scheme and say, how could
37:06
Speaker 2: we have been played for mugs for so long? We're
37:09
Speaker 2: probably saying that already, actually, And it's not just the
37:12
Speaker 2: massive fraud and the waste and the bundling of a
37:14
Speaker 2: scheme that's got so out of control that it now
37:16
Speaker 2: costs fifty billion dollars a year and growing fast. It's
37:22
Speaker 2: also the incredibly damaging culture of entitlement that it's encouraged
37:26
Speaker 2: in this country that's become so addicted to welfare and handouts.
37:31
Speaker 2: It's a moral hazard. I was reminded of that today
37:34
Speaker 2: by a story that some people on the NDAs that
37:39
Speaker 2: when the NDAIS told them, no, you can't have that
37:42
Speaker 2: free Thermo mix, or you can'd of that free air conditioner,
37:45
Speaker 2: or that free washing machine, or that free pilates reformer
37:50
Speaker 2: machine or a free five thousand dollar temperature regulating matters,
37:55
Speaker 2: you can't have those free goodies. They were so outright,
38:00
Speaker 2: They felt so entitled that they actually took legal action
38:04
Speaker 2: to demand the NDAs handover that cash. Your cash. How
38:10
Speaker 2: entitled must you be? Joining me at Gematonny colonists and
38:14
Speaker 2: communications consultant Caroline d Russo, commentator and president of the
38:19
Speaker 2: West Australian liberals, Gemma, I mean, seriously, how toxic has
38:23
Speaker 2: the India has been. You know, it's helped a lot
38:26
Speaker 2: of people and great, but at what costs? And I
38:29
Speaker 2: don't just mean the financial costs.
38:32
Speaker 15: I think you make really really valid points, Andrew, because
38:35
Speaker 15: as with most of these sorts of things, it's never
38:38
Speaker 15: just about the transactional aspect. It's about the things that
38:41
Speaker 15: speak to culture. And in so far as the NDAs,
38:45
Speaker 15: I remember when it was first being mooted, and my
38:47
Speaker 15: own view was and remains that you can tell a
38:51
Speaker 15: lot about a society, about how it manages and deals
38:54
Speaker 15: with us and supports it's most vulnerable. And with permission
38:57
Speaker 15: of my friend who has two children on the NDIS,
39:02
Speaker 15: and she's asked me not to name her, but to
39:05
Speaker 15: give our viewers some context. Neither of these two of
39:07
Speaker 15: her children will ever live independently. And I asked her today,
39:11
Speaker 15: you know, what was her view on what we know
39:13
Speaker 15: so far in the wake of Mark Butler's speech, And
39:16
Speaker 15: with her permission, I'm just going to read this small
39:18
Speaker 15: part of her message out. It's terrifying to watch the
39:21
Speaker 15: NDIS train wreck into something totally unaffordable and resented by taxpayers.
39:27
Speaker 15: If it means jumping through more hoops around eligibility and
39:30
Speaker 15: functional capacity rather than diagnosis, then I am more than
39:34
Speaker 15: happy to do that, and I think that it's a
39:37
Speaker 15: really sensible, measured, and heartfelt response to this. It needs
39:41
Speaker 15: to change. It cannot be allowed to continue to just
39:44
Speaker 15: be this free for all. It was always intended to
39:48
Speaker 15: be a safety net for those in our community who
39:51
Speaker 15: need it most, and I still maintain that.
39:54
Speaker 2: That should be the case.
39:55
Speaker 15: But what we have now is this behamoth, this blood
39:59
Speaker 15: suck behemoth, that is, as you've said, and as news
40:02
Speaker 15: reports have confirmed, has been corrupted to its very core,
40:06
Speaker 15: and something has to change.
40:09
Speaker 2: Carolyn Drusso was said, by the way.
40:11
Speaker 16: Jim very well said, and the example that the JEMA gives,
40:17
Speaker 16: you know, that's why a system like this was set up,
40:20
Speaker 16: and that is what a system like this should be
40:22
Speaker 16: able to prioritize and look after people who can't live independently,
40:26
Speaker 16: people who are unable to get to appointments on their own,
40:30
Speaker 16: or those sorts of things where there is genuine need.
40:34
Speaker 16: No one needs a thermomix, no one. And once you
40:39
Speaker 16: start to see these sorts of things happen, and Andrew,
40:42
Speaker 16: I'm sure you remember a couple of years back a
40:44
Speaker 16: matter went to court about whether sex services were covered
40:47
Speaker 16: up to the NDIES, and they ended up having to
40:49
Speaker 16: be a law change to say no, no, it's not
40:53
Speaker 16: appropriate for the NDIS to cover sex services. We need
40:56
Speaker 16: to pair this back to what it is absolutely intended
41:00
Speaker 16: to do so that those people who absolutely require that
41:03
Speaker 16: care get the best care available, Because as Jema said,
41:07
Speaker 16: that's the mark of a civilized society is one who
41:09
Speaker 16: looks after it's vulnerable as far as the rest of it.
41:12
Speaker 16: It needs to be tidied up, and it needs to
41:14
Speaker 16: be tidied up very quickly. And it has to be bipartisan, Andrew,
41:18
Speaker 16: because even under the Coalition, you know, there was plenty
41:21
Speaker 16: of amendments mooted to the NDIES, so it didn't get
41:24
Speaker 16: to this point. But it was a sacred cow for
41:27
Speaker 16: too long, and when the Coalition did not have the
41:30
Speaker 16: numbers in the Senate to be able to put in
41:34
Speaker 16: place necessary amendment to be able to rain it in
41:38
Speaker 16: a little bit, this is what you end up with.
41:41
Speaker 16: So to all those senators who for such a long
41:43
Speaker 16: time didn't want to touch the sacred cow Well, it
41:46
Speaker 16: needs to be dealt with now because it has become
41:49
Speaker 16: totally uncontrollable. And like the example that Jemma gave, you know,
41:53
Speaker 16: there are people who rely on it and would hate
41:55
Speaker 16: to think that they are resented by taxpayers. We don't
41:58
Speaker 16: resent people in need. We resent abuse and a corruption
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Speaker 16: of this system.
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Speaker 2: I want to pick up something you said there, jem
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Speaker 2: I mean this. I need to go back and have
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Speaker 2: a look at what sort of insults labor would have
42:13
Speaker 2: been hurling at the Liberals then for their mild attempts
42:16
Speaker 2: at reform. And wonder what labor would have said if
42:20
Speaker 2: it was a liberal government now saying we've got to
42:24
Speaker 2: get one hundred and sixty thousand people off this scheme,
42:27
Speaker 2: We've got to cut the packages that the rest get.
42:31
Speaker 2: What would the labor be saying about the liberals?
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Speaker 16: Now tell you the answer, Andrew, I can tell you
42:37
Speaker 16: the answer if we if the Coalition had tried to
42:40
Speaker 16: change the font on the logo, we would have been
42:44
Speaker 16: accused of hating disabled people. But even as I would
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Speaker 16: have seen it as punching down. And this is exactly
42:50
Speaker 16: what the narrative would have been.
42:51
Speaker 15: What was it three weeks ago? Within the last month
42:53
Speaker 15: at least, the Senate rejected a call for an inquiry
42:57
Speaker 15: into the NDIS. And you know somebody who likes an
43:00
Speaker 15: inquiry on every day of the weekending in a why,
43:03
Speaker 15: but this warrants one. We've seen enough smoke to know
43:06
Speaker 15: that there is a flaming inferno in this particular area.
43:11
Speaker 15: And like my friend said, you know, I don't resent
43:14
Speaker 15: her children getting help that they're the ones who with
43:17
Speaker 15: this system was created for. And what to your earlier point, Andrew,
43:22
Speaker 15: about the cultural piece and what it says about our values.
43:25
Speaker 15: There are people who are consciously consciously gaming this system,
43:30
Speaker 15: grifting off this system, completely indifferent to the fact that
43:35
Speaker 15: people who are genuinely in need are missing out because
43:38
Speaker 15: of it, and that shames me. Is an Australian and
43:41
Speaker 15: our Prime Minister should be confronting that cultural piece head on.
43:46
Speaker 15: And I'm not saying that to be partisan, you know,
43:48
Speaker 15: think what you might, but I do feel that very deeply.
43:50
Speaker 15: My late father relied well qualified as an a cat
43:56
Speaker 15: level for that's the age head sector, which is slightly
43:58
Speaker 15: different but same concept. You know, Andrew, His funding came
44:01
Speaker 15: on the day of his funeral two years two years
44:04
Speaker 15: he spent waiting for an ACAT level four package came
44:07
Speaker 15: on the got the mail at my mum's house after
44:09
Speaker 15: the wake, and there was his funding. So we have
44:12
Speaker 15: serious problems in this country that have been systemic ingrained
44:16
Speaker 15: for a very long time. And why are we surprised
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Speaker 15: that we're here.
44:22
Speaker 2: Correct, Caroline. Donald Trump has reposted pictures of eight women
44:29
Speaker 2: that dissident Iranian and American human rights campaigners groups have
44:34
Speaker 2: said have he sentenced to death by Iranian courts for protesting,
44:38
Speaker 2: particularly back in January, and Donald Trump has asked for
44:42
Speaker 2: their release. Now, one of those women and her husband
44:45
Speaker 2: have both reportedly been sentenced to death. It runs us
44:48
Speaker 2: this is nonsense. Trump has jumped the gun. Some of
44:50
Speaker 2: these women have actually been freed already in the rest
44:53
Speaker 2: face no more than prison sentences. Do you believe them?
44:58
Speaker 16: No, because I wasn't born yesterday, Andrew. They have a
45:04
Speaker 16: long history of being profound liars on this sort of topic,
45:08
Speaker 16: and we know that, you know they said earlier during January, No, no, no,
45:12
Speaker 16: there aren't any executions taking place, and there were executions
45:16
Speaker 16: taking place, And the fact that there's only eight women
45:18
Speaker 16: on that list almost surprises me because I imagine there
45:21
Speaker 16: are reams more than just those eight women. I wouldn't
45:25
Speaker 16: believe them for a second. Life is cheap in Iran
45:29
Speaker 16: and under this regime. So look, you know, I wouldn't
45:34
Speaker 16: take them on face value. Hopefully, by the point we've
45:37
Speaker 16: got to now, Donald Trump realizes you can't take the
45:40
Speaker 16: regime on face value. And the simple fact that you know,
45:43
Speaker 16: there's very limited internet and other sorts of communication in
45:46
Speaker 16: and around the country right now makes it all the
45:48
Speaker 16: more difficult to ascertain what the exact situation actually is.
45:54
Speaker 2: Well, I showed the Chief Justice of Iran a couple
45:56
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, instructing his underlying that they had to
46:00
Speaker 2: execute more protesters straight. You know, you can see his
46:05
Speaker 2: lips move. That's what he said. Honestly, that's regime is
46:09
Speaker 2: so different that so many protesters against the Americans and
46:14
Speaker 2: all that gem they seem to think that that we're
46:17
Speaker 2: talking about some vague blomrange country. They don't seem to
46:20
Speaker 2: realize what's going on there. What do you think is
46:23
Speaker 2: happening with these women?
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Speaker 15: I think they're engraved danger and I think that you know,
46:27
Speaker 15: Iran will say whatever it wants to say.
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Speaker 10: They are.
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Speaker 15: A blood lusting cohort of murderers who don't respect human life.
46:39
Speaker 15: But you know, of all the forms of human life
46:41
Speaker 15: they respect the least, it's women. And you don't have
46:44
Speaker 15: to dig too far to demonstrate that. Factually demonstrate that
46:49
Speaker 15: Iran executed twice as many women in twenty twenty five
46:53
Speaker 15: as it did in twenty twenty four. Let's just remind
46:56
Speaker 15: our viewers that women in Iran can't have a passport
46:59
Speaker 15: unless their father or husband allows them. They can't travel,
47:02
Speaker 15: they can't have a job unless their husband or father
47:04
Speaker 15: allows them. If a woman in Iran is hanged, and
47:07
Speaker 15: she has and she's considered to be a virgin, she
47:10
Speaker 15: will be raped before she's hanged to stop her from
47:13
Speaker 15: going to paradise. These people are prehistoric savages. That's all
47:20
Speaker 15: I can say about that regime. So if you want
47:21
Speaker 15: to take the word of these people, I would take
47:23
Speaker 15: the word of that regime as quickly as I would
47:26
Speaker 15: take the word of the Hummus Ministry of Health Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Neither of them are to be believed.
47:32
Speaker 11: And I would say this again.
47:34
Speaker 15: I say that as a woman sitting here in Sydney
47:37
Speaker 15: twenty twenty six, I know how lucky I am to
47:39
Speaker 15: live here. I know how blessed I am that the
47:41
Speaker 15: lottery of life had me born in Perth, Western Australia,
47:44
Speaker 15: to live my life in Australia with freedoms that these
47:47
Speaker 15: women are fighting for and dying for. And Western feminism,
47:50
Speaker 15: including female leaders in this country, have failed them, and
47:54
Speaker 15: they continue to fail them every day, with every day
47:57
Speaker 15: of silence, every day that they refuse to advocate, they
48:00
Speaker 15: refuse to use their voices, and these women's lives hang
48:04
Speaker 15: in the balance. Where's the Pope, Where's Penny Wong, Where's
48:07
Speaker 15: Anthony Albanesi? On these women?
48:11
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know Iranian dissidents here are beside themselves of
48:17
Speaker 2: the lack of support outside the Israeli community for the
48:20
Speaker 2: plight of the people back home. Very very quickly, Caroline,
48:23
Speaker 2: I've only got half a minute, but you mentioned the
48:25
Speaker 2: Internet banned in the run for more than fifty three days,
48:28
Speaker 2: so you can't check the truth. Says a lot about
48:30
Speaker 2: that regime.
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Speaker 16: Says everything about this regime, and Gemma says all the
48:35
Speaker 16: time actually about how sunlight disinfects. And the simple fact
48:40
Speaker 16: of the matter is they can do a lot of things,
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Speaker 16: a lot of terrible, inhumane, criminal things under the cloak
48:48
Speaker 16: of darkness, and I suspect that that's exactly what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think you are germ and Toon, Nini Caroline
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Speaker 2: de Russo, thank you very much to you both. That's
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Speaker 2: it for me. Up next Sherry Markson, good Night,