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She Read My Birth Chart Live and I'm Shook | Call Her Tatty ft. Yaeli Vogel · Call Her Tatty

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She's an artist, she's a life coach, and she can read your astrology sign.
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Everybody welcome you, Ellie Vogel.
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And people are like, what are you drinking?
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Like, how are you painting so much?
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You know, I'm picking a skull job.
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Your sun sign is the tip of the iceberg.
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We can appreciate ourselves and value our own opinions.
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So many of us have that where we have something unique and special,
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but we don't value it.
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But so many people, their entire life is spent healing.
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When are they going to live?
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The more you own something in yourself,
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the more people sense the authenticity and the confidence,
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and they follow your energetic lead.
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I might as well live.
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Hi, Shafelas.
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Welcome to another episode of Caller Tati.
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Today, I have an amazing guest.
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She's an artist, she's a life coach,
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and she can read your astrology sign.
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I can.
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Everybody welcome you, Ellie Vogel.
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Hi, thank you so much.
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Thanks for having me.
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I'm good.
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I'm so excited.
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I'm so happy you're here.
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Welcome to Miami.
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Thank you.
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What did you come to Miami for?
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Exactly.
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We have an event tonight.
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I'm actually hosting a live podcast.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Yeah.
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So, and then we figured it might as well,
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Faperine, you know?
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Yeah.
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Definitely, it was so funny, because you texted me.
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I was like, over a week ago to schedule a time to film a podcast.
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And I have been following you for a really long time.
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I realized my old account followed your account.
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My old account got deleted, because it couldn't log back in.
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And then when I got a new account, I had to refall everybody.
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But when you started your art, I was like, wow, her art is so different.
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It's beautiful.
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That's so cool.
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Like, you don't know who was behind the screen, you know?
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Like, you said you love art.
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I love art.
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You're like, you're really like an artist.
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You just, like, you went to arts.
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You went to a fashion design.
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You put together outfits and stuff, right?
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Like, I know that.
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So, you have, you're the true kind.
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I mean, I definitely always had an artistic side.
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A more, like, left brain than right brain,
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where it's like, those are the things that make me happy.
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Those are the things that, I don't know, I guess,
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not just bring me joy, but they get me through life.
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Yeah.
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Also, you're an Aquarius.
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So, you're not.
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You're not.
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We're gonna get there.
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Did you look into my birthday?
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I, of course, I did.
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That's why I was late.
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I was being just joking with you.
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There's a lot of traffic.
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But, no, I saw, like, you're automatically
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unconventional, different, and yeah, like, okay.
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Cool.
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So, yeah, Ellie, yeah.
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I want to get into everything.
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Art, astrology, life coaching.
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Your first true passion that you have showcased
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on social was art.
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Yeah.
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And how did you get into that?
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I always, like, I always considered myself an artist
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and defined myself by that.
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Even before I took it seriously as a career,
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like, I did AP Art in high school,
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and it was just something that was, like, so ingrained internal.
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And me, like, I remember when we were dating,
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me and my husband, like, I told him that,
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like, I'm an artist, and he was, like, what?
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Like, what does that even mean?
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I'm like, I don't know, I just, like, that's like me.
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And then I did the regular conventional path.
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I got a degree in special ed,
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because everyone said you need to be, you know,
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responsible and do the right thing.
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And that was what my mother said I have to do.
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So, of course, we listen, we're good kids.
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And then I just, I started on this teaching journey,
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and while it was beautiful, and I enjoyed it,
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it wasn't me, like, I wasn't clicking.
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Like, this was one part, the career.
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And then I was here.
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And like, they were, they weren't talking to each other.
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Like, they were completely separate.
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And I felt so hungry, and thirsty, and alone, and gray,
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and just uninspired, and long story short,
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ended up in my therapy session.
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And she's like, what are you really like doing?
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And I said, I really like painting.
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And she's like, so paint, like, go home and paint.
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And I was like, I never wanted to look at it
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after 12th grade, after APR.
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So I was like, what am I going to do?
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This is not practical.
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I'm never using this.
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Ignore it.
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Forget about it.
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And I remember even in seminary going to the spot,
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and walking around and asking the artist there,
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like, practically, like, new yada, like, how,
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how do you make money?
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Like, what, what, how do you eat?
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And it was just such a, like, not typical.
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Nobody was doing this.
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Like, nobody was challenging the industry.
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Like, no, it's not, like, artist star.
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If you can't do it, especially your mother,
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you're, you're, you know, like, it's not happening.
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So she's had to go home and paint.
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So I did.
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I actually listened to her advice.
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And when Nassau came home from my rev one day,
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the paintings that I started before he left
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were, were completed.
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And he was like, you're a complete freak of nature.
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And I was like, why?
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Like, you can't, like, you can't do this.
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Like, you, you just think you're normal.
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And he's like, no, and also like the efficiency
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and like, how the perfection that you have in your hand,
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he's like, it's really, really cool.
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And like, he really gave me like a new perspective.
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I didn't see myself like that.
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I was like, I just thought I was regular.
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Like, and I think that's so many of us have that,
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where we have something unique and special,
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but we don't value it, because we just,
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we're like, we're too in it to see it, you know?
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And he was always from day one.
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Like, such my number one fan pushed me, pushed me, pushed me.
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I would never be able to have done it without him ever.
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Like, he supported us through financially, emotionally.
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Like, there was almost no way for us to do it.
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Like, I ended up leaving my special ed job,
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and I burnt the bridges.
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Like, I had to go get another certification
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to continue being a special ed teacher.
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And I was like, if I go do that,
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then I'm just gonna have too much comfort.
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I'm like, I'm not, I'm not.
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Like, it's done.
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It's over.
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And in 2015, 2016 was when I really put all my eggs
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into this art basket, and I committed,
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and I was like, if I'm gonna do this,
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I'm gonna do it all the way.
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And I used Instagram as like my virtual store to begin with.
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And I decided I made like a mental no,
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I was like, I'm posting every single day.
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Because if I post, then it shows that my store's open.
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Yeah.
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And it's like object permanence.
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If you're there, they're there.
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If you're not there, no one's there.
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And so I really, in order to post every day,
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I had to create the content.
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My content was painting.
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So I forced myself backwards to paint,
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or else I wouldn't have anything to post.
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Right.
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And Instagram, that you need an audience.
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Then to the day, we all like artists really want
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to paint for themselves.
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But like, if your audience doesn't like what you're painting,
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then you're not really doing anything.
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You're not selling.
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So it's like you have to find that sweet spot
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between what they want, what you want.
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So like I found through them speaking,
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through them telling me what they liked
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and what they didn't like, I found my voice.
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And yeah, one thing led to the next.
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And then I ended up getting on to it being on Instagram.
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I didn't love being on Instagram at first.
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I happened to be shot more shy than they come across
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and very private, but I had to be there.
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And it was almost like God told me like,
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no, this is your place.
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Like this is where your tough get is going to happen.
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And the road has just been so interesting.
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And like just so many things have come up through the art.
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It's so fascinating, because again,
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you started showcasing your art
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when Instagram was still relatively new.
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Yeah.
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And people were not, like the influencer era did not start yet.
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Like people were bloggers and then the bloggers
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started morphing into influencers,
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but they were still called bloggers.
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And it was kind of like the first wave of power
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showing what social media can do
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and how it can influence.
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And I'm sure you've gotten like really great feedback
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from women, men, kids, how you inspire them
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to like maybe pursue more art in their life
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because art is not just something that's a talent,
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but it's also therapeutic and it's so true.
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Right, it's so true what you're saying.
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Like so many people messaged me like,
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oh, I was never into art before,
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but like your page got me into it.
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And it's true because we grow up
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in this like religious society.
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Like we're not so cultured, like you know what I mean?
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And especially we're cultured and food holidays
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going to school and dressing a certain way.
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That's our culture.
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Exactly, if fashion we can get culture there.
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But like when it comes to our like for sure for me,
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I could speak for myself, like I was definitely not.
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Like I went to Bay Siaco,
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if I was just a regular girl and like my parents were not,
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like there was no extra money for any art classes
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or anything to just like we weren't like just indulging
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in our talents.
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And so yeah, so when I started on this art journey,
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I was exploring myself and I got,
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it took my audience with me and my husband also like he,
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he never knew that he wasn't art either.
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Meanwhile, like we're both artists.
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Like do you guys paint together?
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No, he's not a painter, but he's like you,
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like he's just eccentric, different, like gets art,
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but like doesn't actually do it, you know what I mean?
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I mean I paint, I used to paint a lot.
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That's so fun.
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I had paintings in my parents' house.
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That's awesome.
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And I told my mother when they moved out of their old house,
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I'm like, just get rid of it.
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She's like, are you kidding me?
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I am not throwing your art effort.
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I remember.
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And I'm like, okay, put it in a storage unit.
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And I guess let it collect dust until somebody wants it.
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But when I moved to New York after I got divorced,
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I was living in LA and I moved to New York
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right after I got divorced,
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I had the biggest urge to just buy these massive canvases
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in my little studio apartment and just paint
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like the craziest things I've ever painted in my life.
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That's so fun.
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And some of them I kept and I shipped them here to Miami.
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And I think it was like kind of like different phases
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and moods that I had,
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because some of them looked like really funny and like funky
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and then some of them looked really dark,
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like girl you need like an antidepressant.
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Like it was interesting because it was like kind of showing
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like different phases of like my post divorce life.
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Like there was a lot of anger and then there was a lot of
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but it's amazing.
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And then there was like this like refresh button
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that was hit and where it's like, you know what?
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Like I dealt with all the trauma.
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Not that it was like Uber traumatic,
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but there is like a level of trauma that everybody goes through
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after a divorce, whether it was like minor or very major.
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But art is definitely something that I look at as medicine
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and therapy.
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And yeah, I've been through every single therapy session
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and then I leave and I'm like, okay,
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no, because it's like you're in the present
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and it's like it's a body situation.
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It's like it's so mad like it's, you know, you're getting rid
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it's amazing or art did that to me too.
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Like I didn't even realize how much I needed to release.
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And then when I started painting like I was like a machine
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and people were like, no, you're psychotic.
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Like what are you drinking?
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Like how are you painting so much?
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I'm like, yeah, it's called trauma.
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But what's interesting, what I always notice about your artwork
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and maybe I'm just one of those people
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who pay really close attention to detail,
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I have noticed your color palettes that you use
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and the strokes that you use.
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They're very soft.
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The colors use are like a lot of purples,
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a lot of light blue, a lot of like yellowish tones.
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You pay attention, I love that.
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It was like, everything is just very, what's the right word?
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I know what you mean.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like looking at your artwork,
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it's like you could be painting something
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that isn't necessarily like a soft moment
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where like it's like a mother holding her baby
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but it could be like more of like a Judaic inspired piece
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but like you still add that like level like serenity
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and like peace and form.
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Yeah, which is very interesting.
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It is very interesting.
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I know, I don't know why I do that.
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Like you have a painting of like the hotel
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and it's like a very soft painting of the hotel.
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That's the only way I can just survive it.
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It's almost like when you have like a vision in a dream.
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Yeah, where it's just like airy and just like.
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I know what you mean.
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And I kind of describe this as like a handwriting.
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Like everyone's handwriting is different
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and you don't know why you do it but you just do it.
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So that's with my style of painting.
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Like the brush strokes are, they have like a force.
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There's like a freedom to them
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and then there's like a softness.
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I don't mean to do it.
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Comes out and I'll tell you something funny.
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I notice many times when I'm on Instagram,
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I can see people try to copy the handwriting.
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Interesting.
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And I'm like, no, no, do your own
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because it's yours coming through.
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It's your soul speaking.
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Don't copy mine.
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Does a bother you if somebody tries to copy?
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No, I just, I find it unfortunate.
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No, it bothers me if people copy the actual picture.
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Like I worked hard to come up with that whole idea.
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Like don't do that, that's wrong.
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But if you're copying my strokes, I just feel bad.
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Like no, get into your own zone.
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Like learn your own message, your own thoughts.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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That's the type of art to paint.
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My favorite type of art to paint?
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I don't know.
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I happen to love like floral.
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I love it.
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Yeah, I love flowers.
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I'm such a grandma.
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It's so hard though.
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Like unless you're doing something abstract,
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I love like, I love nature.
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Anything like animals, flowers, birds.
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Like I love painting that.
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Yeah.
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If I painted an animal,
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it's gonna look like a five-year-old drew it.
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Ha ha ha ha ha.
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So, yeah.
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Yeah, Ellie, you are an artist.
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You also read astrology.
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I do.
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And I don't know about anybody who's watching here,
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but growing up, we did not talk about astrology.
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It was, like in Beciacle,
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but if you started talking about your astrology time,
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people are like, oh my god, that's a vultus on wrong.
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Like what are you talking about?
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I've never opened my marriage.
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And like till this day,
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I have no idea what it means to be an Aquarius.
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And I remember when I married my first husband,
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somebody made a comment to be like,
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oh, what's his sign?
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I'm like, he's a Leo.
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And I don't remember if they were like trying to like,
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hold back, like saying something negative,
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but I'm just like, I don't know
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if I'm gonna like, listen to somebody
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based on like astrology signs.
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Maybe I should of, but like, maybe I should of.
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Can you explain like the importance or any relevant
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of it?
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I don't have because I don't think that you can know
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so much about just one sign.
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First of all, your, what your son sign
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is the tip of the iceberg.
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So wait, so we're gonna talk about me?
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We're gonna talk about you.
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Okay, we're gonna talk about me.
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It's just one, like you're an Aquarius son,
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but that almost means nothing
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because there's so much more that meets the eye
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within your whole birth chart.
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So if you do wanna know if you're compatible with somebody,
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you can, you just have to do a full birth chart reading
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to see all the placements and where they match up together.
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You know what I mean?
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Like when me and Nisanal got engaged,
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I was like, I went on Google because I was like,
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oh, let's just see what happens.
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Right.
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And I put in Pisces and Leo, I'm a Leo.
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Sorry.
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It's okay, we're not married.
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I don't know, like, you have like preconceived ideas,
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but everyone's so different.
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And my point is, first of all, that like,
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because we are all, you know, cooked up in a different way,
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that's how we can have infinite personalities.
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No one's the same.
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And it's like, you know, people are like,
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well, how could you believe in astrology?
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There's only 12 months there's only,
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but no, every single planet, it depends on what house it is,
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what sign, that's what gives you your unique recipe,
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your unique, like, set the stamp of your soul, you know what I mean?
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And so I put into Google, I was like, Pisces and Leo,
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like, do we match up?
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And everyone was like, no, like one star, like, don't do it.
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It's the worst, like, maybe it'll be good for a minute.
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Like, is there any truth to that?
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Yeah.
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So there is.
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I freaked out.
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I was like, what do I do now?
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Like, it's like, I'm a lion, he's a fish.
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The lion eats the fish, dumb, like, it's over.
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So it doesn't last long.
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So it's so funny, because I mean,
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I've been told by people, like, don't read, like, okay,
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I mean, I'm one of these old school people.
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I still love reading, like, Harper's Bazaar on Chavez.
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Like, that's literally like my vote, Harper's Bazaar, like,
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Chavez is like the time where like, I'm not really reading.
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I'm more looking at like the ads in the photos.
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Yeah, I'm not really like the biggest reader,
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I mean, like, whatever.
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Audio books are like more my thing.
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Same, same.
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Or someone can read to me, that's fine too.
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But I always like to read, like, the astrology portion.
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I don't know if they still do it, but like,
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growing up, I always read it.
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And I'm like, oh, my God, it knows me.
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And I'm just like, wait, it could be the most generic stupid
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thing that they wrote.
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And somehow I can like, relate to it.
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But like, everyone loves your brain wants to like, find the thing,
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you know?
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I know I'm gone.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, we're like girls, like, we just like, oh, like stupid,
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you know, like, but there is so much truth.
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Like, like, Kate, can I just pull, should I pull up yours?
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Yes, tell you.
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I don't see that there's like a real.
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Someone told me, like, maybe I should ask if it's good or not,
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because you're like, if it's not good, you don't want to hear it.
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Nobody has like good or bad.
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It's like potential.
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It is what it is.
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OK, so you come across, everyone has a rising sign.
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It's how we come across to the world.
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So even though you're an Aquarius, you come across to the world,
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like a Capricorn.
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What does that mean?
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So it means that you are someone who is serious, capable, grounded.
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And you have like an intimidating aura to you, even?
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Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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And they assume, people assume that, like, you're the boss.
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Like, you know what you're doing, OK?
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Sometimes though, you learn early that love or, like,
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whatever respect comes through responsibility.
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And so sometimes you have to, like, you can, like,
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overcarry things or, like, do too much
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to just, like, compensate for that.
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And you have to learn that you don't need a truck.
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You don't need to earn your right to exist.
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Like, you're just, you could just, you could soften more
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and, like, relax, OK?
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Now, your son's an Aquarius in your second house.
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We all have dip 12 houses.
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What?
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Whoa, OK, houses.
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So houses.
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So we all have 12 houses.
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Everyone in their chart.
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That's your chart's 12, right?
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The quotient had 12.
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It all goes back to, like, Torah.
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There's 12 sput-in, right?
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So there's 10.
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I'm, like, so not familiar with this.
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So this is, like, so new to me.
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Yeah.
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So when you said, like, oh my gosh, like, it's so taboo.
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Like, how do we talk about this?
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Like, we never, when we weren't allowed to.
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It's against Torah.
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No, it is Torah.
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Like, it's the most Torah.
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It's from the Torah.
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I'm saying when back in the day, everybody
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looked at the stars to know everything.
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So we just don't have the knowledge.
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And once the knowledge was, was, I guess, like,
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fizzled away from us.
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The Rebanim said, like, don't use it
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because we just didn't know enough.
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So, like, don't, you know what I mean?
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And it really, like, even Khannoflanar al-Pidarko,
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I don't remember which rub this was.
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But, like, maybe I think the villain of Gone
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said Khannoflanar al-Pidarko.
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And this is what he meant.
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Look at your kid's star sign, because then you can really
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know exactly how to give to which what, you know, everyone.
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Everyone's so new on.
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So we all have 12 houses.
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And there's also 12 signs.
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And wherever the signs land in that specific house
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will give that sign its own potency, its own, you know,
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feel and, like, recipe, whatever.
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So you can be in Aquarius all day long,
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but you're in Aquarius in the second house, which means
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you're going to be a different kind of Aquarius
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than someone that's in Aquarius in their ninth house.
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Because ninth house is the house of Sagittarius.
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You are in the house of Taurus.
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So you value money a lot.
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It's important to you.
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OK, second house.
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Second house is all about possessions and money and value
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and self-worth.
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So you're here to redefine what security looks like.
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You think differently about money and success.
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And you're not meant to follow the traditional path
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because they just exist, because you're in Aquarius.
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Aquarius is our unconventional.
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They're forward thinking.
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So you're taking money and switching it up, OK?
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Now you light up when you build something that's yours.
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And also the capricorn rising is somebody that's very
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serious and like, you're going to do something.
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You're going to see it till the end.
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So you have that plus the second house in Aquarius.
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You have Hashem puts certain co-hosts and certain tools
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in everyone's chart to do what they're supposed to do.
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So you're going to see a theme in your chart that
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makes sense for you.
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You know what I mean?
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It's very, very cool.
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Sometimes you could detach from your own worth
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or you undercharge or undervalue.
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And you need to learn the concept of self-worth
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in this lifetime so that you can really
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build the vessel and attract and claim
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for yourself true wealth.
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My husband's going to love this.
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Yeah.
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He's going to be like, well, do it with me.
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You see?
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I told you.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Well, you needed him.
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He's giving you that.
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Like, he's teaching you stuff for yourself.
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Well, it's so funny because now that I'm thinking about it,
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my husband and I were really opposites in most things.
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And when people say opposites attract,
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my husband and I were like, I think on the core values
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and foundation of our lives, we very much click on.
21:31
But everything else that doesn't say really matter,
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we are so different, same, same, same.
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Literally, I was laughing when I heard the podcast
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with you and Zoli.
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I was cracking up because there's so many similarities.
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Like, it was just, yeah, I'm like, they should be friends.
21:51
And now one more thing, I'm just going
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to go through the first three.
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And then the rest we could do later, because your moonsign,
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we all have our inner world.
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So our moonsigns are inner world.
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It's how we emote.
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So your moonsign is in Sagittarius.
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So you're a Sagittarius moon, but it's in your 12th house.
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So it's like 12th house is a little hidden.
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It's like, it's unseen.
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It's more mystical.
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So your emotional world is vast, but it's hidden.
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You feel deeply, but privately, you need solitude.
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And you need inner freedom to feel, OK, you are intuitive.
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You're emotionally wise beyond your words.
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And you absorb the collective emotions easily.
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You may sometimes escape, though, instead of feel.
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It's easier the 12th house people look at that.
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I escape half the time.
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Yeah.
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And you may sometimes like idealize pain or spiritualize it
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instead of processing it, OK?
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And your growth happens when you realize that your emotions
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aren't meant to be solved.
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They're just meant to be viewed.
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They're waves.
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They come and go.
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It's OK.
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And they're just meant to be honored and express safely.
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And yeah, there's so much more.
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There's like, it's so crazy that you're saying all this
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because I think half the things that you talk about,
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my husband and I talk about.
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Yeah.
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Without even realizing it.
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Right, right.
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So a lot of times, that means you're aligned.
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Because when you're on the right path,
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you're going to feel certain things that are supposed to come up.
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But like, OK, so you don't know the true terminology
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of the stars big deal, you know what I mean?
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But it's cool to just, first of all, have the validation.
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And it gives you so much permission
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when you see what's in your chart.
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And like, you have these ideas.
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We have these whispers.
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And we don't take ourselves seriously.
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Like, ah, who am I?
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Like, really, please, come on.
23:36
Like, oh, that was just a thought, like, no.
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But then you see it in your chart and you're like, wait, what?
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I'm supposed to do this.
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Like, it makes you, like, just, it amplifies everything, you know?
23:46
I just love doing that for people, like, giving them so much permission.
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Like, no, go for it.
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It's so funny.
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Because one thing that my husband and I
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are pretty different on is how we view our self-worth.
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And it's not a secret.
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But sometimes I have to tell my husband.
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I'm like, yes, you're amazing and you're talented.
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But like, sometimes, like, we need to just, like, cool it.
24:09
It's OK to be a little humbled sometimes.
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And then when I do something and I, like, to him, which is, like, something
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like amazing, whether it's in business or whatever, I'm just, like, whatever, little me.
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I'm like, I feel like I'm still a kid.
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And he's like, no, like, should be proud of it.
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I'm like, whatever.
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Like, it's not like the biggest deal.
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Like, he'll try to tell me to, like, be more proud of myself.
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And I'll tell him, like, you need to calm down, like, take us see, bro.
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But, um, yeah, it's, like, it's so interesting.
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Yeah, we have to do a reading on him totally.
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I would, now that, like, you told me what I heard about myself, I can only imagine
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what you're going to say about him and I'm like, yeah, that's, that's accurate.
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Totally.
24:48
So astrology and Judaism, when you started reading people's signs, did you get any sort
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of backlash on it?
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Yeah.
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But I think that also, first of all, the more you own something in yourself, the more
25:03
people sense the authenticity and the confidence and they follow your energetic lead.
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So the more I owned it for me, the less lashback I've gotten.
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But in the beginning, the couple, the last couple of years, for the way I was into this
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in some 19 years old, since I found out about it, I was like, done, I'm hooked.
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Like, I don't, I'd never know anyone's name when I meet them.
25:26
But like, tell me your, your birthday, I'll never forget.
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Like, I'll never forget.
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It's freaky.
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How did you even get into it?
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I don't know.
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I do it stupidly, like through Google.
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Like when I was 19.
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Yeah, I just like Google something.
25:37
I was like, this is so cool.
25:38
I just want to figure it out.
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I'm a super curious person.
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I'll go down any rabbit hole and I'll never come out for the next 12 hours.
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And so I did that.
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And then I would, I wrote down like all my friends and like their birthdays and I saw
25:49
how like, it started really matching up.
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I was like, something's here.
25:52
And when I was very, very young, like, even like four or five, I always thought like,
25:56
like numbers were interesting, like patterns were very cool to me.
25:59
Like different situations.
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I was always wondering why things were coming up.
26:04
I was always also like looking out for just pattern recognition because like I had to
26:09
learn that very fast, like how people are acting, why they're acting a certain way.
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I was always trying to like, you know, control my environment and make sure that I was safe.
26:19
And so I was always trying to learn about people if somebody was this way, then that means
26:24
that they're going to end up this way.
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And so I was into all different personality things just to understand my parents got divorced
26:31
when I was 12 years old.
26:32
And before that, it was not pretty.
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Like it was really, really, really messy and it was scary and it was like, it was like
26:38
a movie.
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You know those movies where like you're just here yelling and that was how I grew up.
26:43
So I was always trying to figure out people.
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And then when I figured out, when I finally stumbled into astrology, I was like, wow,
26:53
like now it all makes sense.
26:54
Like I could use this, like I could run with this.
26:57
And I'm also somebody that's extremely hyper vigilant and I can go into a room and like
27:03
know it in a second just because just from just from a trauma person, like just from safety.
27:09
And so then when I got astrology, it became my superpower.
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I was like, oh my gosh, like this isn't readable.
27:15
And I kept it to myself.
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I didn't tell anybody because it was just too weird, especially in our culture and nobody
27:19
knew what I was talking about.
27:21
And then the older I got, the more I realized, like, no, we really, we couldn't, we
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could use this.
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Like this is incredible.
27:27
And I would tell my friends and my family and I would convert everybody like on the side,
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you know?
27:32
And then just one day I realized like, no, I just need to start talking about this.
27:36
Like the world is ready.
27:38
And if they're not, I'm going to be, I'm going to make them.
27:40
And I was very insecure about it and people did give me backlash and they were like, no,
27:44
it's not Torah.
27:45
What are you doing?
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And I started like fighting with them in DMs and I'm like, you know what?
27:49
Effort.
27:50
Like you don't get it.
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You don't get it.
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I'll talk to the people that do.
27:53
I mean, I have never heard of like the first-dollar streetings all day long.
27:56
Well, it sounds like, I mean, we grew up pretty much like in the same mainstream BCOCOL
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mentality and go in LA, right?
28:04
Yeah, but BCOCOL is of at least.
28:06
In LA is very stark.
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OK.
28:08
The tights with the fastest button and if you go to college, right after high school, like
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really.
28:12
Good luck finding a shidda.
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Oh, I didn't know.
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Oh, like when I skipped 12th grade and I didn't go to seminary, it was like, crazy.
28:18
Oh my gosh.
28:19
So I went straight from 11th grade to college.
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And I was supposed to go to a seminary.
28:24
Glad I didn't go to the one I was supposed to go to.
28:27
But it was not unheard of because there
28:32
were a couple of girls that were a year
28:35
at the grade above me that also skipped 12th grade.
28:39
And either went to seminary or college.
28:42
But I went from a super like Lake Woody environment
28:47
where it was like, no, like you graduate 12th grade.
28:51
Go to BJJ or Hadar.
28:53
And then like, you know, like, like Michela was not even
28:57
an option.
28:58
It was modern.
28:59
I'm serious.
28:59
Oh my god.
29:00
Like, there were a couple of girls from my grade who
29:02
wanted to go there.
29:03
And like, the school was like not a fan of it.
29:05
I think they would have great recommendation letters
29:07
for that.
29:08
I do not know this.
29:09
Oh, no, no, no.
29:10
Because I went to Darcebina.
29:11
So my late girls were like, you know, I thought that L.A.
29:16
Well, that's you that's like the more modern high school.
29:19
So like, these alcohol was like, like the Ula girls
29:22
and these alcohol worlds, like they didn't really mesh.
29:24
Like, sometimes they do, but like it wasn't like a thing.
29:27
Got it.
29:28
Like, yeah, I mean, I had friends in, in Ula,
29:33
but like, two different worlds, two different worlds.
29:37
Like, you're caught going to a movie theater in base alcohol?
29:40
Like, you're out.
29:41
Wow.
29:42
You're talking to boys?
29:43
You're out.
29:45
Wow.
29:45
Like, you want to like, not dress out to me as like,
29:48
someone's going to have a spy on you.
29:50
Like, really?
29:51
Like, whatever.
29:52
Not here to like, bash any school.
29:56
But there's a reason why I left after 11th grade.
29:58
Oh, my gosh.
30:01
Oh, my gosh.
30:02
But it's interesting about each of us
30:04
in our own respect as we both got to a point in our lives
30:10
where we don't really care what other people think, right?
30:15
And it's such a beautiful thing.
30:17
It's so beautiful.
30:18
Dangerously, it's amazing.
30:20
It's so freeing.
30:21
It's so freeing.
30:22
And I almost wish people would just
30:27
get a taste of it.
30:28
Like, there are people out there who
30:30
are so afraid of what their neighbors are going to say,
30:33
and what their mother is going to say.
30:36
And they're so worried about everybody else
30:38
that they put themselves last.
30:39
I know.
30:40
And listen, I'm not going to like be like,
30:41
oh, just think for yourself, it's amazing.
30:44
Like, there's obviously a reason why it's so terrifying.
30:46
You know what I mean?
30:47
And I tried to break it down because this is something
30:51
that I thought about for a while.
30:52
And I cared so much about what everybody thought for so long.
30:55
And I was trying so hard to be everybody's version
30:59
of what they wanted me to be.
31:00
And then I broke it down, slowly, slowly.
31:03
I realized I was doing it for me.
31:06
I was doing it selfishly.
31:08
I was doing it because I wanted to make sure
31:10
that I would have a place on their table so that ultimately,
31:14
I wouldn't be alone.
31:16
So the truth is, and then to the day, we're just human.
31:19
And like, we don't want to be feel abandoned.
31:21
And that's the real reason of why we're so scared
31:23
to go be our own human.
31:26
I think a lot of people are very afraid of,
31:30
could at the end of the day, whether you live in the five
31:33
towns, you live in, I don't know, a community
31:37
where it's pretty tight knit.
31:38
Everybody knows everybody.
31:40
People are afraid of stepping out, not
31:44
of just their comfort zone, but something
31:46
that isn't accepted or a community is not used to.
31:52
I just don't know who made up the rules.
31:53
So once I speak to the rulemaker, then I'll deal with it,
31:56
and we'll have a conversation.
31:57
But until then, I'm sorry, but I'm not subscribing,
32:01
because why should I?
32:03
That's what I want to know.
32:04
You know what I mean?
32:05
But it's not just like...
32:06
Like, people come onto my podcast,
32:07
they're like, am I allowed to say this?
32:09
I'm like, who are you asking?
32:11
Right.
32:13
I was also like, podcasts are meant to be unfiltered.
32:15
They're not meant to be.
32:17
We're so used to like having rules.
32:18
Like, there's always like a person authority, like...
32:20
Well, when you grow up in a world where everything is a rule book
32:24
and you're not really supposed to question why you do this,
32:28
why you wear this, like, it's just ingrained in you.
32:31
And so I agree, they know we're all civil.
32:33
But that's where a lot of the guilt comes from.
32:35
It's like, no, but like, I grew up a certain way.
32:38
So if I grew up a certain way, and I don't even know why
32:40
I'm doing this, or saying this, or going here, whatever,
32:44
like, you feel like it's not, it's not,
32:48
it's not like the norm.
32:50
Right.
32:50
It's where we're all like, totally after an hour.
32:53
We're all a little brainwashed.
32:54
We're all brainwashed.
32:55
No, and like, that's just the reality.
32:57
Like, we all, especially if you grew up in like,
33:00
very mainstream, like, from like, black hat community,
33:04
like, like, doing something that isn't done,
33:10
and you being like a pioneer to do it.
33:13
It's the scariest thing in the world,
33:14
but then you slowly see people just like pick up on it.
33:19
Yeah.
33:19
And then now it's like becoming a game
33:22
that everyone wants to make different.
33:23
Yeah.
33:24
No, but like, I would, like, play with my brain.
33:27
I was like, okay.
33:28
So what would happen if you go out a little like,
33:31
so, okay, fine, so you wanted to see it at the table,
33:33
but first of all, I realized that I never really had
33:35
a seat at the table, like, you know what I mean?
33:37
And then I was like, okay, so if these people
33:39
are really not my people, and I feel so alone,
33:42
even when I'm with them.
33:43
So I'm kind of dying, and I'm dead.
33:46
So going out and doing my own thing
33:48
will be so scary that I'll die.
33:50
So I'm basically dying twice.
33:52
I might as well live.
33:54
Okay.
33:54
I actually posted a great clip last night
33:59
in my stories.
34:01
It's this attorney.
34:03
He's like my favorite attorney on TikTok and Instagram.
34:07
His name is James Sexton.
34:08
I don't know if you know who he is.
34:09
He's a divorced attorney.
34:10
Yeah, of course.
34:11
He's great.
34:11
He's like great.
34:12
He's great.
34:13
So he had a great clip on TikTok, and he reposted it.
34:17
And he was saying how long story short,
34:21
in 100 years from now, everyone we know
34:23
and love is gonna be dead.
34:25
Like what you do now is going to be not very relevant.
34:30
It doesn't exist unless you're inventing electricity
34:34
or like doing something that is so monumental.
34:37
Like maybe people will read about you in a history book,
34:40
but like you being true to yourself
34:43
and like doing what you love, it's not gonna hurt anybody.
34:47
It's not gonna affect anybody.
34:48
Exactly.
34:49
But people are so in their brains.
34:51
Yeah.
34:52
Thinking, oh my god, like even though like I'm doing
34:55
something that's not authentic, like I'm so free
34:58
to like what someone's gonna say.
34:59
Nobody, I wanna say nobody.
35:02
Most people are not obsessed with other people
35:05
as much as you are obsessed with yourself.
35:07
And also the feeling for me of just being doing the wrong thing
35:10
and feeling just so untrue to myself
35:12
and lying to myself every single day was just too,
35:16
it was too bad.
35:17
Like it felt so gross.
35:18
Like I couldn't do it anymore.
35:20
So you have to feel your feelings.
35:22
You have to know what you're thinking inside.
35:24
Like so many of us are just pushing it away so far
35:26
that we don't even know what we're even feeling.
35:29
You know what I mean?
35:30
Do you recall at like what age or what stage in your life
35:33
you started feeling like I need to just break out
35:36
of this little shell that I'm in?
35:37
Well, I always felt it on some level
35:40
because I started, when I started special ed,
35:42
I knew that I was doing the wrong thing.
35:45
And so yeah, I think that like the,
35:47
the GPS was always telling us like make a user
35:50
and make a user and make a user and it's up to you
35:51
to decide when you're gonna actually listen or not.
35:54
Yeah.
35:55
Yeah.
35:56
I think that that form of finding yourself
35:59
is part of the process of healing.
36:04
And there are plenty of people who are on these healing journeys.
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But so many people, their entire life is spent healing.
36:15
When are they gonna live?
36:16
And when do people start living?
36:18
When do people go from the healing phase
36:21
or do you believe that healing is just like always
36:24
a work in progress?
36:27
No, I happen to, so that's why I don't feel like I'm so much
36:31
and even though I'm a coach,
36:32
I'm not part of the healing community
36:34
because I just don't believe in all of that.
36:37
I find that a lot of times the ends of becoming a crutch
36:39
and you're kind of in school
36:41
and you're not actually on the field experiencing life.
36:43
So yeah, you have to remember who you are,
36:47
you have to release the things that are holding you back,
36:49
but then you have to go and rise, you have to live.
36:52
You can't just be just constantly in the state of healing
36:56
because really you're lying to yourself, you're not living.
36:58
Right, I mean, I know some people
37:01
who are just consistently healing and it's always a journey.
37:05
And it's like, at what point does trauma?
37:09
And it could take years and it may take a lifetime,
37:12
but there's always like, it's a decision.
37:15
People who wanna ponder on the trauma
37:20
or do they actually want to like,
37:23
Hashem will help you on any part of your journey.
37:27
So like if you want to actually live and live your best life,
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you have to just, I really believe you,
37:31
you have to pray for you, you have to dab and pray for you,
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you have to be like, Hashem, just help me.
37:34
So yeah, there might be that a certain times
37:36
you have to release certain things or certain things will come up,
37:38
but then you have to be able to live your life.
37:41
Otherwise, you're just, what are you doing?
37:43
Like, it's annoying.
37:44
Right, right.
37:45
I mean, I've heard Ayahuasca does wonders, I haven't done it.
37:48
I haven't done it either, I'm too scared.
37:49
Me too, I think I'm gonna talk to God if I did it.
37:52
And I don't wanna talk to God,
37:53
cause he'll be like, girl, we gotta talk.
37:55
And I'll be like, I don't wanna, but I'm, no.
37:58
You're gonna be fine.
37:59
It's so funny, my husband keeps telling me,
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he's like, you have to try it, you have to try it.
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And I'm like, I don't know if I want to,
38:05
cause I'm afraid of like realizing certain things
38:10
or like, you could find a part of myself
38:12
that I don't want to know.
38:14
Like there's certain things I don't want to know in this world.
38:16
You could also do Ayahuasca without doing Ayahuasca.
38:18
Like if you go into certain meditations,
38:21
you go into certain states, like you also see things.
38:24
Like we all have the power to be psychic beings,
38:29
we're just not, we're not rising enough in ourselves
38:34
to let ourselves go there.
38:36
But like everyone's like, oh, this mccable,
38:38
he's such a dad, it's like, we put people
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on such pedestals, but we don't realize our own power
38:42
that we have, we have so much in ourselves.
38:44
So I don't think you need Ayahuasca to do that,
38:46
but it's one modality, it's a tool to get there.
38:49
I've done breath work before.
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Okay.
38:51
Definitely made me trip like bad.
38:54
Yeah, yeah.
38:55
To a point where like I like snapped out of it
38:57
and I was like, oh my God.
38:59
Oh my God, right, I'm here, okay.
39:01
Like I went to a breath work class with Mayor Kay.
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Oh, you did?
39:05
I did.
39:05
I'm on the beach.
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And it was like really nice.
39:09
And I remember like he was, you know, talking whatever
39:11
and I'm like really trying to focus
39:12
and I like cannot focus with these things.
39:14
And I'm like not like a girl who's like
39:16
into these like breath work things.
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I'm not either.
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I invited me to come and I said, okay, like let's,
39:21
like I'll give it a go.
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Why not check it out?
39:23
And what was so funny is like, okay, I'm like doing it.
39:27
And then like he starts talking.
39:28
And he's like, think of something that made you really happy.
39:33
And like the most random memory came up in my brain.
39:37
It was with me and my grandparents
39:40
like on like my like eighth birthday.
39:42
So where like you need me from that.
39:44
And like, I remember like we were at Toysa Russ
39:46
and I remember my grandmother just like
39:48
talking to me and like it was just like a very like pure memory.
39:54
But it was like so embedded in the back of my brain.
39:57
I was like, oh my God.
39:58
And then he was asking questions like, you know,
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when was like you felt like the most safe or most happy?
40:04
Wow.
40:05
And I was just like these weird memories.
40:07
And then I'm like, okay, like after like snap out of it,
40:09
like I don't know if I want to go back there.
40:11
Like I'm good.
40:12
Like we're good.
40:14
I never that a breath work.
40:15
I never have to try it.
40:16
I know I have to try it.
40:17
I just I'm like you like I don't know if I'll be able to like really be in the zone.
40:20
Like he has to be very good.
40:22
So what's interesting is you can actually do breath work on your own.
40:27
And a lot of times when I'm getting a facial,
40:30
I will start doing like the breath work exercises.
40:33
That's cool.
40:34
Mid facial and I am like tripping balls in a facial.
40:38
And I like and then like I'll like jump and like the lady like the
40:43
Esthetician will be like are you okay?
40:44
Yeah.
40:45
Yeah.
40:46
And like and I'll text my husband.
40:47
I'm like I did bro.
40:48
I just had the craziest trip feel like what happened but it's honestly for anyone watching.
40:54
Try to do breath work mid facial.
40:55
Oh, I'm going next week.
40:56
It's amazing.
40:57
I have to like there's like a sequence of like how you inhale and exhale.
41:00
And like your brain just starts like working.
41:03
It's magic.
41:04
And I'm like I feel like I got a two for one because I'm like I'm getting my face done
41:08
and then I'm getting my brain done.
41:10
That's so cool.
41:11
That's so crazy.
41:12
Wow.
41:13
Yeah.
41:14
So something, something which I always find interesting and back to the conversation
41:24
we were we were having about not caring.
41:27
Yeah.
41:28
You know, it's not just about like your personality and and what you do for work but
41:35
it's also like socially community wise.
41:40
When we start talking about dating marriage children, there's like kind of this expectation
41:45
for people to do everything kind of cookie cutter.
41:50
And socially we're expected to be a certain way emotionally we all obviously feel very
41:56
different.
41:57
Right.
41:58
So do you have any words of advice being that you're a life coach on how to maybe get
42:07
through the dating process, figuring out if you want to have kids in a certain time
42:13
because there's a lot of social pressure.
42:16
Yeah.
42:17
So when we were messaging each other before, you know, we solidified filming this.
42:23
You wanted to get into, you know, I do want to get married children.
42:29
So like I have a friend, I'll just tell you I have a friend and she's an incredible
42:34
business owner and she has a few kids and she was telling me she lives in a community
42:40
that's very cookie cutter like you say or it comes across that way where there's so many
42:45
supposed to and she's telling me how she she feels of pressure to have another kid but
42:50
she comes home, she's out of the house, she comes home at six every day and her kids
42:54
are being raised basically not with her and okay, that's that's how it is.
43:00
It's life.
43:01
It's hard.
43:02
There's pressures.
43:03
Whatever.
43:04
And she wasn't even saying that she wants to have another kid because her soul yearns
43:08
for another Nishama.
43:09
She was just saying she feels pressure.
43:10
I'm like, don't do it.
43:12
I'm like stop, like don't, like what, why would you do that?
43:17
Like you're the society community is not waking up for your baby at night.
43:22
Like it's they're not going to be there for you.
43:25
Like there's absolutely no reason.
43:27
What would I say to people?
43:28
I would say like think about the end result.
43:31
Think about when it's done already.
43:33
How are you going to be?
43:34
How do you feel when that happens?
43:35
Are you going to feel resentful?
43:36
Are you going to feel happy?
43:38
What's it going to bring to you?
43:39
Because if the feelings are true, then go for it.
43:41
What's your intention?
43:42
Intention is the biggest thing.
43:43
The energy that we have behind what we're doing will give our, give whatever we're doing
43:48
the ammunition.
43:49
Right?
43:50
So if we're buying a house because our sister or our brother or our friend just bought
43:54
a house and now we need one, the house is not going to have the true muzzle.
43:57
But if you're buying a house because you want to host more, you want to, you know, you
44:00
feel that your soul really can really live and flourish in a beautiful space.
44:05
Go for it.
44:06
You need it.
44:07
So the intention behind what we do is so, so, so important.
44:10
And we, so many of us aren't even thinking about anything.
44:14
We're like automatic robots.
44:16
So think about the end result.
44:17
Think about how you're going to be when it's already done.
44:19
And do you like that?
44:20
Is that, it doesn't make you happy?
44:22
Are you going to feel good if you're married at 21?
44:25
And then you can't really go on vacation with your friends because you're married now.
44:29
Like I get that you want to have the white dress and like the wedding and it's so cool
44:31
and fun.
44:32
But like after, guys, it's an eight hour party, Max, and it's honestly like the wedding.
44:37
It's like it's a party.
44:38
You want to have a party.
44:39
Go through yourself an amazing 20, 21st birthday party.
44:42
Totally.
44:43
Like right.
44:44
Don't get married for the party.
44:45
If you want to be married and you've dreamt about being married, like me since you're
44:47
12 years old and when your uncle got married, you cried because you were so jealous.
44:49
And like you really just want to be married.
44:52
Then get married at 21.
44:53
You know what I mean?
44:54
Like we're all so different, but like you really have, don't do something because your
44:57
friends is doing it.
44:58
Yeah.
44:59
We don't all have to go to the bathroom together.
45:00
Like you'll live by yourself.
45:01
Right.
45:02
Right.
45:03
Oh my God.
45:04
Now you're bringing me back to the time where it's like I never understood that concept of like
45:08
when all the girls go to the bathroom together, it's like if someone needs to go pee, like
45:12
let them go pee.
45:13
Like why does it happen?
45:14
Why do they have to have it?
45:15
I'm so surprised.
45:16
Like I always think like we were born alone.
45:18
You come out of the womb alone.
45:19
Like you're not coming out of the womb with your friends.
45:21
Like nobody knows what they're doing.
45:22
We don't know where we're going.
45:23
We're all alone.
45:24
And then we're going to die alone.
45:25
Like I'm sorry, but like even if you really want to go with somebody, probably you're
45:28
going to end up going on yours.
45:30
So like not in a morbid way, but like in a very true way.
45:33
Like why are we doing the middle with everybody when we're, you know what I mean?
45:37
Like yeah.
45:38
No, I think what people depend on a lot is like validation, community, which there is
45:44
a level of, in like a social sense, like you need it.
45:48
You need it to live.
45:49
You need it to be sane.
45:51
Like even like in the past couple of weeks, like I told my husband, like I need to go to
45:56
shul because like shul is like where I'm mostly socialized.
45:59
Like we don't live in a community where I have like, I have friends, but like not like
46:01
tons of friends because Brickle is just not, it's not like Miami Beach, not like, you
46:06
know, Bell Harbor, Bay Harbor Island, it's not, there's not like a huge Jewish community
46:10
there.
46:11
Um, partly that's why I like it because I kind of have my space.
46:15
But like, you still need to have, that's how I am going to lie.
46:19
So, you know, I, I think that like there is a very important aspect in being part of
46:25
a community and having friends and a social life.
46:28
And you know, I think if people are way too eccentric and they're way too out of the
46:32
box, like some people might be like, Oh, like you're like an interesting character.
46:36
Like it depends on like how eccentric and like what you're doing and how you present
46:40
yourself and how you act and 100%.
46:42
I know what you mean.
46:43
Yeah.
46:44
But in our minds, we should all be doing things because we were choosing it not because
46:48
anybody else is choosing it, you know, yeah, I, it's, it's always an interesting topic
46:56
when my husband and I discuss this sort of thing where it's like, we always wonder, it's
47:01
like, why do people really care so much what other people think?
47:04
Like, why it's not our business to know what other people think, right?
47:08
If somebody is like, you problem, that's right.
47:09
And also like, even like on Instagram, like people, right, like mean comments on like
47:14
my clips, like, especially like these like 21 year old boys who like just got out of
47:18
the show.
47:19
Like, you have to like, you have to not, you have to not read those.
47:22
Yeah.
47:23
Those, those were, whatever, sometimes I respond, so like to have fun, like, I know me
47:27
too.
47:28
I can't help it.
47:29
Like, sometimes like I like to troll the back and troll, you know, but it's like stupid
47:35
wasted energy.
47:36
But no, I'm with you.
47:38
Yeah.
47:39
So with, you know, I'm gonna go back on astrology because I wanted to ask you something
47:43
and then we got into a whole long conversation.
47:46
So there's meaning behind birthdays and we all have signs.
47:51
Yes.
47:52
Is there any connection to what somebody is named?
47:56
Yeah.
47:57
100%
47:58
And is there a connection from the name to the birthday totally?
48:02
And I don't know why that is.
48:03
I mean, like, we have Nivua, I could tell you like specifically with my son, Alicia,
48:08
when he was born, I just had this like urge to call him that.
48:12
And then I checked out his name.
48:13
We have a book of names at home.
48:15
It's in Hebrew.
48:16
So, probably can't recommend it, but it's a psychotic book and it's like so on.
48:20
And I was reading his name and it said like all these cool things about him and how he's
48:24
such a leader and he, you know, he's there, they'll be very good in business one day and
48:29
like all these things.
48:30
Okay.
48:31
Then I checked out his birthday.
48:32
He's born June 8th.
48:33
Same thing.
48:34
Like literally the same and then he, when he was born, he had like a lot of problems like
48:40
so many, like just a lot, like tongue tie and he had tubes in his ear.
48:44
He couldn't, he couldn't talk.
48:46
He couldn't eat.
48:47
He couldn't, everything he couldn't hear, everything was like a, like a problem.
48:51
And the whole time while even till today, he's four and a half, even till today, I always
48:56
think about what his name means and what his birthday.
48:58
And I'm like, no, this kid's a giant.
49:00
Like I'm raising a giant.
49:02
Like I have to, isn't that crazy?
49:04
Like I'm raising him backwards almost because I know that he's going to be beyond.
49:08
Like I don't care about what the IEP says.
49:10
I don't care about like, no, like it's like Einstein.
49:14
Like that's how he was raised too.
49:16
So like I do believe 100% that your name and your birthday, it matches up.
49:21
It's like, it's your soul.
49:22
It's your soul's, it's your soul's message.
49:24
Right.
49:25
Because what's interesting is when I, right before I was marrying Zoli, a friend of mine
49:31
told me to come with her to like a very big rubber and see if the name's matched up.
49:36
And I'm like, girl, I don't really know if I'm going to be able to do it.
49:38
Off on this Reba's cup of tea, but sure, I'll come with you.
49:42
I love it.
49:43
I love how open you are.
49:44
You know why?
49:45
Because I'm like, if I get blessed and it works fantastic, if it doesn't, oh well.
49:49
Okay.
49:50
I love that.
49:51
It doesn't hurt.
49:52
I love that.
49:53
So I went with her to this Reba.
49:54
And I was like, okay, like obviously got to like dress appropriate, like whatever.
49:59
And I gave him the name.
50:02
And he's like, oh, your name is Hava Ora.
50:06
It's your, what's your husband's name?
50:08
And like, he's like, you saw a lot and like, nothing is wrong.
50:10
He's like, that's it.
50:11
Yeah.
50:12
I'm like, it can't be that bad.
50:13
Like, he's in the show.
50:14
It's not like, uh, Moshe, it's the, like, there must be, there must be like a part of
50:21
a name that I can work with because the previous one didn't work.
50:24
And I think someone did say that my previous husband's name was a good match for me.
50:28
So I'm like, I want to refund, but he was like, he's like, it's a good name.
50:33
And then this, Reba was like, okay, it's your second marriage, okay, um, do you have kids?
50:39
No.
50:40
Does he have kids?
50:41
Yes.
50:42
Okay.
50:43
And like, he was going through like everything and I'm like, okay, so like, do I have your
50:46
approval?
50:47
He's like, yeah, it's good.
50:48
And I'm like, is it good because you're just saying it because we're already engaged and
50:51
we're going to get married in like two weeks or like, it's good because like, it actually,
50:55
it's good.
50:56
And I also, and I believe I actually gave him our Hebrew birthdays and like he, it's
51:01
crazy.
51:02
You just, you know, but you think that it's magic.
51:05
It's not.
51:06
It's a science.
51:07
They're doing it based off of every single letter, the way it's shaped, what the letters
51:11
represent.
51:12
There's an every olive base holds an energetic frequency.
51:15
So when you put it together in a certain way, how does it all mesh up together?
51:18
They just know that.
51:19
So they see it so clearly.
51:20
You know, we could all learn it.
51:22
Um, birthdays also, they know the number of the time, like they, that you can understand
51:26
based on, if you know it so well, where the rising, where the moon was, where, you
51:30
know, if you can memorize these things, I'm not.
51:33
I didn't, but like, you, people do it, you know, yes, I, I totally agree with you.
51:39
It's funny.
51:40
There's one pussuck.
51:41
Now I'm getting all like, whatever here.
51:44
There's always one pussuck, um, actually we say it during Abdullah.
51:49
I don't know what it is, but ever since I was a kid, I just always like, made sure to
51:54
say it and enunciate it, like, who dim, heisa, or asim, khabas, asim, my middle name
52:00
is, my middle name is, oh, but I, it sounds stupid, but I never really put the two to
52:06
two together.
52:07
Oh, wow.
52:08
That is part of my name.
52:10
Oh, wow.
52:11
And I say it every Saturday night, and whenever Zoli makes up, I'm like, you need to give
52:16
me like a full minute to, like, let me say this out loud and he finds it, like, so
52:21
funny.
52:22
Zoli, you realize that that's part of my name, and for some reason, I just really connect
52:27
with it.
52:28
That's so cool.
52:29
Right.
52:30
So it's, it's there.
52:31
We don't know.
52:32
We just don't realize what everything is spiritually, but we're spiritual beings before
52:35
we're physical beings.
52:36
And like, yeah, we, we know things.
52:38
Absolutely.
52:39
We just know.
52:40
Like, women's intuition.
52:41
We just know.
52:42
Yeah.
52:43
So cool.
52:44
Okay.
52:45
So we're going to start wrapping up, but I definitely want to leave our viewers off
52:50
with some of your wisdom.
52:53
That's nice.
52:54
What permission do you want women to take for themselves, you know, as, as we're getting
53:02
older, as girls are getting married, what is something that they should be allowed
53:07
to let themselves do?
53:10
What permission?
53:11
Huh.
53:12
I have to think I, I for sure know this, but I, I want people, I want women to remember
53:20
really who they are, like not what everyone's telling you to be, but like when you close
53:25
your eyes at night, and when you think to yourself, oh, in another life, I would love
53:28
to do that.
53:29
Like, yeah, that, no, no, make it this life.
53:31
Like that's what I give yourself permission to do that.
53:34
And is there any beliefs you wish you can unlearn?
53:39
Yes.
53:40
So many.
53:42
And the way to, I don't know what the beliefs are because there's so many of them, but
53:46
the way I unlearn them is by, I put on these, like, cool, like affirmation podcasts before
53:52
I go to sleep at night, and before I wake up in the morning, like as I'm, and you're like
53:55
in, you're like in that half, like, zone, like in that beta state, that's when the, you
54:00
can really rewire your subconscious brain.
54:02
And my subconscious brain is so full of caca, like I don't even know how to say, like there's
54:08
just so much, like who do you think you are?
54:10
And like, you know, you should stay little, you should, you should, you should be humble,
54:14
like so many things that are in there, like, and that you really have to, you, there's
54:19
no way to really stop the music because it's always going.
54:24
So you just have to change the tune and the way you do that is by rewiring your subconscious
54:28
brain.
54:29
Yeah.
54:30
It's interesting because I think I had to unlearn so much, not just from my, like, upbringing
54:37
and, and being in like a certain type of school, but on, like, unlearning, like, you have
54:44
to be liked, you have to feel validation to have, like, self worth, you have to, and it's
54:50
not that we learned that that's what you need, but it was almost like, well, how else am
54:55
I going to get that?
54:56
Like how else am I going to feel validated if other people don't?
54:59
Well, I'm going to go validate myself, and especially for girls who are young and in
55:03
high school, like, there's social pressure, there's things that, you know, they, they
55:10
feel they need in order to, like, get through life.
55:15
And I think as everyone gets older, we start to realize, like, we don't really need that
55:19
sort of validation.
55:20
Like, the validation that comes from ourselves, and like, we can appreciate ourselves and
55:24
value our own opinions and value what we want out of life.
55:28
I also think that the more about, the more you need something, when it becomes a need,
55:33
when you're just trying to get validation from other people, Hashem will keep pushing it
55:36
away, because then you're working from an empty cup, and no matter how much you fill
55:40
it, there's holes.
55:41
So the water's just going to keep filling out, because you're just going to need the next
55:44
dopamine hit, and you're going to need the next, you know, the next void to be filled.
55:47
So like, that's what I realized for myself in my life.
55:50
Like the more I would close up my holes, and then start, you know, patching up whatever
55:55
and put in my own, get high on my own supply, and really love myself totally and completely
56:02
externally of everybody, and I even had to let some people go, because I realized that
56:06
they really weren't serving me, and I realized that it's better to be alone than to be with
56:12
people that are making me go further from my truth, and then you just really fill up
56:17
yourself with your own love, every single person that comes in gets so attracted to you,
56:22
because you're vibing so high, and you know, you don't need anything from them.
56:27
Everything that they're giving you is just a cherry on top.
56:30
You're good automatically, you're good, you're good forever.
56:33
That's when Hashem will send you the validation, that's when you'll get what you want.
56:36
When you absolutely, positively, don't need it.
56:39
Yeah.
56:40
What's interesting is what you said was, it's better to be alone.
56:43
Yeah.
56:44
So I always say this, it's always better to be alone than want to be alone.
56:49
So whether you're in an unhealthy relationship, or you have friends that don't serve you
56:57
well, or maybe you're in a community that doesn't serve you well, sometimes it will hurt
57:03
you so much more than actually just being on your own.
57:07
Exactly.
57:08
And it's okay to be on your own, but I mean, I'm not going to talk about me and my post
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divorce life, but it was so hard for me to be alone.
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Yeah.
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And also it's like, I always have this need to do things for somebody, and it's like,
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oh my god, like, Shob is like, who am I cooking for?
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Like what?
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I have to like invite like 10 people over, and like I had to not use friends, but in order
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for me to like feel this certain level, like happiness within myself, I needed to like
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be validated by having guests over Friday night and shop stay, but Hashem was showing
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you that a certain part of your soul needed to be healed in this way.
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And then I got used to being alone, and then I loved it, and then I got married, I don't
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like Zoli, you're going to go to New York this week for a week, right?
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I could use my alone time, I love being alone.
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What is one truth women should stop apologizing for?
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I think one truth that women should stop apologizing for is this concept of feeling selfish,
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because I think that in our from world, a woman is valued by how much Chesa she does,
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and how much she's giving to others, and what she's doing, and who, and you know, when
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where it's again, it comes back to intention.
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What's the intention behind it?
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Because if you feel burnt out, and if you if your cup is not full and you really can't
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pour into somebody else's, then by going and doing more and more, you're actually like
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totally being selfish.
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That's the ultimate selfish because you're trying to get more validation, to be more
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like to be one at a, when the end of the day, maybe, maybe you should say no, you know,
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that will make you more for yourself, and even though it seems selfish, it's the most
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not.
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It's the most self-love that you can give yourself in the moment.
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I want women to know this so badly, like that, you know, we really just have to think
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first, and it's like, it made a nearly mealy, right?
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It made a, it made me laugh at me money, but that comes second.
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We first have to know who we are for ourselves.
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It's so funny, because I always tell this to my mother, and I think my mother is at that
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point in her life where she's like, you know, I raised nice kids.
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Your adults, you can make Yantif, and I agree with her.
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Like, there, there comes a point where mothers, sisters, wives, they need a break.
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They don't always need a host, they don't always need to be there for everybody, and sometimes
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it's okay to like take a seat, chill out, you don't always have to host every Friday night.
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You don't always have to, you know, go do extra chasad, and get yourself burnt out,
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and then you can't be the best person to wait for yourself.
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And we think that's the only way that we're going to become more altruistic, more better,
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you know, better people.
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Like, it's okay to say, no, sorry, I'm not interested in hosting people.
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And I have learned in the past year, like, if I feel like I can't be like the best wife
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for, like, my husband, and not give him the attention he needs, because I barely talked
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to him during the week.
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And Chavis is literally the only time where we have, like, real conversations, like, even
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during the week.
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Like, his phone.
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That's true.
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So, like, for him to not get my full attention, and like, we can have, like, a proper,
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you know, conversation over a nice office meal, like, I don't want to not give that to
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him, because I feel like I have to go, you know, sacrifice myself for people in the
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community.
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You were just like, okay, come for a Friday night dinner, like, no, I'm going to put
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him first.
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I'm going to put me first.
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And when you build, when you build that healthy foundation at home, and like, once you
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know, like, you have boundaries with other people, I feel like that people also look at
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you and be like, oh, like, I respect that totally.
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Totally.
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Totally.
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I love that.
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Okay.
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Yally, it was so nice having you on Caller Tati.
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This was so much fun.
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This was great.
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I enjoyed it every minute.
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I knew I would.
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I'm going to have to have my husband's birthday situation, astrologize.
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I don't know how the word is.
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Send it my way.
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We'll get it taken care of.
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I feel like I should write down things that I'm going to predict, and we'll see if I'm
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right.
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Oh, them.
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All right.
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Bye, bye.
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Bye, guys.
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We'll see you next time.