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Patriots Unfiltered 10/28: Full Breakdown of the Patriots 32-13 Win Over the Browns · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: I want to build a sustainable winner.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to be a flash in the pan
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  Speaker 4: like you want to go hang an NFC Championship runner
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if they did it right on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't trying to lose. I don't think the commanders
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  Speaker 2: would do anything. They give away what they did last year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can go hang their banner, but what's your
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  Speaker 3: take on this?
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  Speaker 6: Dude?
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  Speaker 7: Give us your time with you guys, but I don't
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  Speaker 6: Change like no, it is annoying and I think Wednesday Thursday,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, is today?
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  Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken that they've been in paths right, yes, well,
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  Speaker 4: they're never in full pads, Paul, I understand nobody couple
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Let's Stadium, and they're becoming victory. Tuesday's victory Tuesday. Boy,
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  Speaker 2: what a role we are on? Who to thunk it?
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  Speaker 2: Who to thunk it? I Mean, we all said before
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  Speaker 2: the season, we think they're going to improve. That's because
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  Speaker 2: we think Drake's gonna get a little better. We think
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  Speaker 2: the coaching is going to be better, so we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: see improvement. But this is this is crazy. Paul.
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  Speaker 9: Paul always is a dendem too, unless Drake just makes
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  Speaker 9: a crazy second year leap.
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  Speaker 7: And that's kind of what's happened, right.
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  Speaker 6: The definition of a crazy second year, which is seven
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  Speaker 6: consecutive games with over one hundred passer rating and seventy
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  Speaker 6: whatever percent completions and one hundred yards Russian and like
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  Speaker 6: and all the other things that he's doing that have
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  Speaker 6: only been done by guys like Brady Manning and Home
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  Speaker 6: homes right and Rogers. That's it, Like, it's an unbelievable
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  Speaker 6: level he's playing.
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  Speaker 7: I never would have expected this.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I just you know, I thought it would
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  Speaker 9: be a little up and down, that there'd be growing pains,
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  Speaker 9: and you know, he'd have a good game and you'd
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  Speaker 9: see his athletic talent and his arm on display, and
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  Speaker 9: then he you know, has some brain farts and it,
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  Speaker 9: you know, would be a little bit more.
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  Speaker 7: Of a zigzag.
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  Speaker 5: But I can't explain the other part that I would
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  Speaker 5: have said.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's like when they always ask us, you know,
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  Speaker 6: what do you think, you know, what if if they
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  Speaker 6: end up with this, and we always say, well, we
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  Speaker 6: need to see it. Like I could have been convinced,
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  Speaker 6: maybe not six and two, but I would have said
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  Speaker 6: five and three is certainly a possibility before you know,
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  Speaker 6: you just look at the first eight games. I would
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  Speaker 6: have had five and three the Buffalo win. To me,
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  Speaker 6: I did not. Yeah, but I didn't expect it to
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  Speaker 6: look like this. I thought they could win games the
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  Speaker 6: seventeen Reformation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're ending the games in the third quarter.
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  Speaker 6: It's not that surprising that they're they're handling the teams
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  Speaker 6: the way they like the last two games, but all
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  Speaker 6: of them, like five in a row, that is surprising
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  Speaker 6: to me. And the way that the offense is just
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  Speaker 6: clicked that. I did not see that coming. That's why
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  Speaker 6: when people ask you, what do you think they can do? Like,
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  Speaker 6: would you consider nine and eight a good season? Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: but I would consider nine and eight the way they've
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  Speaker 6: played the last few games good. But if it's nine
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  Speaker 6: and eight and they're winning like thirteen, ten, seventeen, thirteen,
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  Speaker 6: I was like, that's just because the other team was
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  Speaker 6: so bad and they couldn't take advantage of you. The
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  Speaker 6: Patriots are making these teams look even worse than they are.
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  Speaker 6: That's the thing that's most exciting.
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  Speaker 2: All right, it's even that's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce,
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  Speaker 2: it's Matt and na Booth. We're talking Patriots for the
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  Speaker 2: next couple hours. Just a lot to talk about with
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  Speaker 2: his team. Most of it's good. But I do want
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  Speaker 2: to bring in one aspect of the offense in particular
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  Speaker 2: that I think I would you know, I think needs improvement.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the offensive line. I think we can
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  Speaker 2: see improvement on the offensive line now. Last week, obviously
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  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, he is a generational player. Five sacks for
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  Speaker 2: him six total for the for the Browns. Uh. Not
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  Speaker 2: a good showing. But like I said, it's Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: But I think overall, the fact that Drake does need
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  Speaker 2: to run as much as he has is in part
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  Speaker 2: because you know the line needs improvement. Uh, you know
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  Speaker 2: the young the young half of the line needs improvement.
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  Speaker 2: I think, Mike and when you could be playing better.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not all gravy right now. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: parts of the team that need to improve. And I
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  Speaker 2: will say this, I will look in the camera when
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  Speaker 2: I say this. I'm on team Campbell, Okay. But I
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  Speaker 2: do know that after the game he was pissed at
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  Speaker 2: himself for the game that he had. Now I think
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  Speaker 2: I hope that there's someone there explaining to him. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: you just went up against a guy who is a
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  Speaker 2: surefire Hall of Famer. So it's good that you're pissed.
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  Speaker 2: You want to be pissed, and you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be giving up sacks like that. But just keep in
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  Speaker 2: mind who you are going up against. And if you
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  Speaker 2: have the mindset that every week I'm gonna go up
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  Speaker 2: against a guy that good and I better be ready,
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  Speaker 2: then you're gonna be okay. And I think he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be fine. So will If you're listening or someone from
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  Speaker 2: your family. Don't worry about it. Be pissed. That's a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. Be pissed, but you know, keep that mindset
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  Speaker 2: and you'll be okay. Keep working at your craft.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the Will Campbell's stuff because I've seen
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people, myself included, trying to say, if
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  Speaker 4: you actually watched the film, it wasn't as bad as
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  Speaker 4: it seemed watching live. I that is true, But two
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  Speaker 4: sacks is also two sacks, right, And he gave up
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  Speaker 4: two sacks in the game, and as an offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 4: that's like giving up a touchdown as a cornerback, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like as good as you might have played on the
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  Speaker 4: other seventy plays of the game, when you give up
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  Speaker 4: two sacks and one of them is a strip sack, like,
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  Speaker 4: that's that's not good enough.
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  Speaker 10: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I think the reason you know two things. I think
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  Speaker 4: the reason why he was the way he was after
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  Speaker 4: the game was because I look at the sacks he
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  Speaker 4: gave up as somewhat self inflicted. They didn't execute the
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  Speaker 4: chips well. So if he had executed the chips better,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if Miles Garrett would have had the
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  Speaker 4: two sacks against him. So I think that he's thinking
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  Speaker 4: that was like my fault, Like I like not that
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  Speaker 4: I just got beat on a great move by Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 3: It was more about.
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  Speaker 4: The space and you know the way that he was
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  Speaker 4: coming off the chips. Now I come I somewhat disagree
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  Speaker 4: about the offensive line because I think we're running into
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  Speaker 4: a situation now where we have to figure out where
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  Speaker 4: the blame is being assigned to on sacks, because if
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  Speaker 4: you ask me, I think a lot of the blame
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  Speaker 4: for sacks in general is on the quarterback, like holding
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  Speaker 4: the football or not, you know, taking check downs, not
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  Speaker 4: throwing the ball away. You know, all of these sacks
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  Speaker 4: that happened in the game on Sunday took over four
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  Speaker 4: seconds to happen. So these were not jail break sure
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  Speaker 4: blitzes where guys are coming through and there's no chance
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  Speaker 4: for Drake May to get rid of the football. So
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  Speaker 4: if there's one little blemish on Drake, and he's been
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  Speaker 4: an MVP, so don't get me wrong, but if there's
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  Speaker 4: one little blemish on Drake, it's that he's taken a
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  Speaker 4: lot of sacks and his sack rate is extremely high.
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  Speaker 4: Now you could say that he's taking the sacks and
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  Speaker 4: that's better than you know, maybe the alternative. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we could have that conversation. But he is taking a
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  Speaker 4: lot of sacks, and I think some of those sacks
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  Speaker 4: are a result of him as much as they are
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  Speaker 4: the offensive.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you make a good point about what it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: You know, over the last three years with this line,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of jail breaks, and we've seen
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  Speaker 2: a lot of really bad communication, guys blocking no one,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not being able to handle stunts, and we're
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  Speaker 2: not seeing as much of that this year, where you
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  Speaker 2: get those free runners to the quarterback, and that's a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. But I think mainly the point I want
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  Speaker 2: to make is I like the fact that Will Campbell
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  Speaker 2: was mad at himself after the game. That even like
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  Speaker 2: for him, I don't care if I'm going against Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: I need to be better and that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good thing. You keep that mindset, you keep
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  Speaker 2: working at it, You're gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 7: I did you feel like he was missing receivers?
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  Speaker 9: I don't know, Like I didn't do a total grind
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  Speaker 9: on the offensive side of the ball. I did watch
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  Speaker 9: a bunch of the defense, but I didn't see a
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  Speaker 9: lot of leg always got a guy like I've seen
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  Speaker 9: some of that in the past, but I felt like
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  Speaker 9: their man covers was was pretty good and that there
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  Speaker 9: wasn't I think that made him hold the ball a
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  Speaker 9: little bit more. But Vrabel pointed out the same points
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  Speaker 9: you're making too of Yeah, you know some of these
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  Speaker 9: are on sacks.
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  Speaker 4: Are are a team stat sacks are not always just
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  Speaker 4: to sign to the offensive line, and that's why you know,
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  Speaker 4: even to like hash it out only four. I only
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  Speaker 4: gave responsibility to blockers on four of the six sacks
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  Speaker 4: because one of them came on a boot leg where
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  Speaker 4: Miles Garrett's unblocked on the boot leg, and then another
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  Speaker 4: one on the play action drop, which wasn't a Miles
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  Speaker 4: Garrett sack.
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  Speaker 3: Drake may just.
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  Speaker 4: Runs right into the line of scrimmage and gets and
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  Speaker 4: gets sacked. So like I I think that that's all
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  Speaker 4: of the things that you have to factor. And now
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  Speaker 4: the one that I really thought that was a Campbell
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  Speaker 4: sack that I thought that Drake could have helped him
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  Speaker 4: out on was the one in the red zone because
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  Speaker 4: it looked to me like he kind of got stuck
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  Speaker 4: on ramondre Stevenson on a little option route out in
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  Speaker 4: the flat, Remondre didn't get open if he comes to
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  Speaker 4: the middle of the field, Hunter Henry's wide open in
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  Speaker 4: the middle of the field.
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  Speaker 3: So he just got hung up a little bit on that.
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  Speaker 4: When you get down there in the red zone, it
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  Speaker 4: happens quick and you can't get hung up on reeds
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  Speaker 4: in the red zone. And I'm killing Drake right out
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  Speaker 4: of the shoot. And he's playing like a top three
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  Speaker 4: quarterback in the league.
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  Speaker 6: But we live in well.
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  Speaker 4: I think, Paul you said to me the other day
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  Speaker 4: and it kind of stuck with me, like the expectation
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  Speaker 4: for this team has now changed, and like the standard
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  Speaker 4: has changed. It's no longer are they a good football
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  Speaker 4: team because we know that right now, it's how good
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  Speaker 4: could they possibly be? And when I look at the
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  Speaker 4: sack rate, I look at some of the stuff in
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  Speaker 4: man coverage last week in terms of going up against
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  Speaker 4: man coverage with the Browns. The Browns sack Drake May
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  Speaker 4: five times when they played man. They had their interception
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  Speaker 4: in man coverage. Like those types of things are the
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  Speaker 4: things that when we're on the show in January and
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  Speaker 4: maybe February and we're talking about why did they lose
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs. You hope that those are not the
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  Speaker 4: reason why they lost.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like, you know, just a really anecdotal because
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  Speaker 6: I don't break down the film the way Mike and
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  Speaker 6: Evan do. But what we're talking about is last year
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  Speaker 6: they took a lot of sacks and few, if any
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  Speaker 6: said anything negative about Drake May because he's a rookie
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  Speaker 6: on a you know, a team that has won four games.
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  Speaker 6: He's making his first career starts. The offensive line was
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  Speaker 6: what it was. Now this year you look at it
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  Speaker 6: and say, well, Drake May has played at a much
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  Speaker 6: higher level.
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  Speaker 5: The team is playing at a higher level.
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  Speaker 6: They've invested some draft capital in the offensive line. We
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  Speaker 6: think that's a little bit better. Now you start to
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  Speaker 6: look at Drake May. Like last year you didn't look
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  Speaker 6: at Drake May because it wasn't really fair to put sacks,
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  Speaker 6: you know, all on the quarterback. This year it is like,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the bootleg was an obvious one. I think
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  Speaker 6: Drake thought he could outrun Miles Garrett and he learned
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  Speaker 6: a lesson, you know, like Miles Garrett is different animal.
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  Speaker 6: So some of those sacks you're looking at, like that's
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  Speaker 6: the quarterback's got to do a better job to help
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  Speaker 6: out his line. So that's when you look at all
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  Speaker 6: of these things under a different Now we're fine tuning, right,
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  Speaker 6: and how can.
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  Speaker 5: You get better?
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  Speaker 6: Just like Evin said, how can you avoid one of
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  Speaker 6: these issues that we're sort of wondering about not costing
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  Speaker 6: them a game when it matters most.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a nice philosophical discussion of throwing the ball
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  Speaker 4: away versus taking a sack, and Brady was a master
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  Speaker 4: at throwing the ball away instead of taking sacks, especially
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  Speaker 4: on first and second down. Drake may is obviously a
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  Speaker 4: much younger quarterback, but also on top of that, like
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  Speaker 4: he probably thinks that he's so physically gifted that he
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  Speaker 4: can extend the play and that he's going to either
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  Speaker 4: get out of it or he's going to find a
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  Speaker 4: receiver down the field. And when he finds Pop Douglas
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  Speaker 4: wide open down the field for a forty four yard play,
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  Speaker 4: that's because he kept the play alive, he kept his hands,
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  Speaker 4: you know, his eyes down the field, he moved in
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  Speaker 4: the pocket. So it's hard, like you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: take that away from him and say just throw the
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  Speaker 4: ball away at the first sign of pressure, because he
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  Speaker 4: does have that mobility in that athleticism. So I thought
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  Speaker 4: that that was much better from him this week. Which
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  Speaker 4: is the most encouraging part to me is how he
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  Speaker 4: takes coaching and when we harp on something one week,
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  Speaker 4: he completely corrects it the next week, almost immediately. So
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  Speaker 4: last week it was all about the one in runs
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  Speaker 4: and he's taken off too much and he's putting himself
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  Speaker 4: in harms way against Tennessee. And then this week I
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  Speaker 4: saw him getting to the backside of progressions. I saw
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  Speaker 4: him staying in the pocket and making throws. He scrambling
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  Speaker 4: when it made sense to scramble, Like when he gets
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  Speaker 4: the sees part and there's a twenty eight yards of
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  Speaker 4: green grass in front of him, I scramble.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I still can't believe just how good he's been for
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  Speaker 6: you know, going on two months now, you know, talk
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  Speaker 6: about a heater. Yeah, this is just I can't believe
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  Speaker 6: how much better he's gotten, even I keep I think
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  Speaker 6: I said it last week, even from the game this year, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: the Raiders game to what we've.
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  Speaker 2: Seen, he's seeing the field so much better. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned Evan about something happens in one game and
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  Speaker 2: then he improves on it. Remember that game, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was the Bills. He's not keeping his eyes downfield.
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  Speaker 2: He's not keeping you know, the broadcaster was saying, And
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  Speaker 2: I think it.
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  Speaker 5: Was proved from the first half to the second exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, It's like you were waiting for him a right,
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  Speaker 9: he's gonna he's not going to complete ninety percent of
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  Speaker 9: his passes every week, And in the first half last
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  Speaker 9: week it felt like, here it is, this is going
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  Speaker 9: to be the game where you know, maybe he's a
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  Speaker 9: little flat and then no, I mean we talked about
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  Speaker 9: just his perseverance.
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  Speaker 6: And I think, you know, and I know Evan was
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  Speaker 6: talking about this this morning. You really have to credit
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  Speaker 6: Josh McDaniels a lot for this particular game. I thought was,
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  Speaker 6: if not his best game, one of the best games
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  Speaker 6: because of what it Mike just said, they were bothering him.
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  Speaker 6: You know, all the stuff that we talked about with
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  Speaker 6: Cleveland ended up being pretty accurate. Oh yeah, they bothered
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots off. It's in the first half. You know,
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  Speaker 6: whether it was Jess Miles Garrett or it was the
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  Speaker 6: main coverage that Mike and Evan are talking about. Oh, Drake,
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  Speaker 6: maybe just not being quite razor sharp. At the very beginning,
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  Speaker 6: I thought he had a chance on one of those
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  Speaker 6: third downs down the field to Booty. I thought he
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  Speaker 6: threw it to the outside in a little bit long,
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  Speaker 6: a rare misfire. This is what happens when you don't
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  Speaker 6: throw any complete passages. You kind of remember him right,
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  Speaker 6: you know, because they're so rare. And then all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden in this you know, in the second you know,
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  Speaker 6: Drake makes a play at the end of the half
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  Speaker 6: that the Douglas play that Evan just talked about, sets
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  Speaker 6: up to go ahead field goal, and then all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden, it was like one wrinkle after the next.
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  Speaker 6: In that first drive of the third quarter was unreal,
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  Speaker 6: getting them going side to side, you know, moving the
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  Speaker 6: pocket a little bit, getting the ball down field, and
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  Speaker 6: it was like.
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  Speaker 5: Pitch and catch. I thought it was easy touchdown to
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  Speaker 5: Hunter Henry.
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  Speaker 6: Just like, what an amazing play sequence that that drive was.
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  Speaker 9: You said it in the post game show right off
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  Speaker 9: the bat, that first drive out of the shoe. Loved
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: it and even like or Losty, like I've seen multiple
• 16:02
  Speaker 9: people like laying out the play sequencings. Some of us
• 16:07
  Speaker 9: thou knowest the ball after the game, I mean right
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: after you were on it, Paul, and I mean just
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: talking about all the different personnel packages and formations and
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: Josh is throwing so much at these teams to try
• 16:17
  Speaker 9: to decipher and figure out. It's no surprise when they
• 16:19
  Speaker 9: were able to, you know, get Hunter Henry out into
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: the flat for an easy touchdown. Or I was laughing
• 16:24
  Speaker 9: about the pop Douglas thing though, is Evan just like
• 16:26
  Speaker 9: kind of muttered under his breath. He's like, man, pop Douglas,
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: Like that was OPI so bad? And I was I
• 16:30
  Speaker 9: went back and looked like, how the pucket so open?
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just like you just shoved help it?
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: Like and after the play delpin shot for the digs one.
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's funny, but no, it's a Josh in his
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: bag as you as you continue to say.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, I thought he was in his bag from the
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: very first play of the game, like it really was.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: You know, they come out in the opening drive with
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Henderson and they run that wham play right up the
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: middle for like twelve yards, which opened up the entire
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: toss you know sequence that they had going on with him. Yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: because they hit him right up the middle and they
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: come a couple of plays later, same exact formation, offset
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: eye with the full back in the backfield, and they
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: faked the inside run and then they toss it out
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: to him and he just runs for eighteen yards with
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: untouched for eighteen yards. I mean, they were they were
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: absolutely dialed in from a play calling perspective in this game.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: And then the third quarter drive, I felt like they
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: pulled out some stuff deep in the bag. They were like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: all right, like we got to pull out some things
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: that they're not expecting because they're onto some of our
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: base stuff. So they you know, they run a little
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: trick you know, kind of play action, you know, flip
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: to Henderson and then they run a toss and they
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: run a double pass and they run jet motion and
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: like they're running all these different kind of things that
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: are not stuff that they put on film every single week.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: That was the first true trick play if you don't
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: want to count flee flickers that they've ran all year,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: So they haven't done that yet, and they did in
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: this game. And it kind of felt like it came
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: out of half and we're like, if we make this
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: a nine point.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Games, it's over.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Like they're not scoring seventeen against US BUS but not
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: so the third quarter.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Drive felt like they were like, let's empty.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Josh, if you go on Patriots dot com
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: now you can watch Josh miked up during the game.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's a good ten minutes of Josh McDaniels and friends.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Uh So, that's a good watch that dropped this morning
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: on Patriots dot com.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: Is Josh tight pants guy?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Is he qualify one of the ogs?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: You think he's an O. G. Pitt four guys?
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: He was?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: He was a really young coordinate he was. He was
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: a tight pants guy before, and Josh was a tight
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: pant I don't think.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: So, just because he was young. I don't think he's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: in the tight pants.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: You know, they don't all wear tight pants, right, most
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: of them do, but you know they don't all wear
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: tight pants.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Not a tight pants.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Guy, I don't think because he wasn't.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Like when they called like Red Sox fans like sometimes
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: they call them pink cats. Right, they're not all women
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: and they don't actually wear but.
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: Now it's symbolic, right, right, it's not like physically younger
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: kind of innovative, you know, outside the box, Like that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: what Evan's talking about. I'm with it, but he inherited,
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: you know, the offense that the Patriots were running long
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: before Josh.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: He didn't develop the offense.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: To the contrary, I mean, like he completely changed the
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: way that they played offense in two thousand and seven,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Like he goes to three receiver.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It was vertical because they had Randy Moss.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Year they did that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, so the slot receiver first of all, is a
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: huge part of what they were doing that they weren't
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: really doing before they were with Troy Brown. Troy Brown
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: was a z but they weren't playing three receiver purely.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: A lot of this stuff and okay, or the tempo.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: The tempo thing is like all Josh McDaniels, you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: going to again with Chip Kelly and and thing.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: They did with Bill O'Brien, the two tight ends. But
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: that's what that's my point. I don't think Bill O'Brien
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: innovated anything. They just added wrinkles here and there. Yeah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I think it was kind of thet.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I just I just never I g type. Yeah,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think they never got pants club.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: The thing that you guys are talking about with like
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: the Charlie Weis's offense and stuff like that. They haven't
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: run that offense in one year.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it Charlie Weis's offense.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: It was whatever you want that calling.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: They're hard, that's like.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Calling what the the Shanahan treat right now is running
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the Bill Walsh offense like it's it's that's what I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: would do. Well, I would be incorrect, Like.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, because you love those guys, but no, it's not
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: because I love the falls.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but like that's like Tred.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: And Andy Reid with it where.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: We're talking, we're talking about like like you know, a
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: tesla versus like a model t here, Like you can't
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: like the way that they have like updated those types
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: of offense. I don't understand why this is disrespectful.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Couldn't do what Patrick Mahomes can do.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I don't understand what the problem is here, Like they
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: they took an offense that back in the eighties with
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Bill Walsh for just to stick on this example that yes,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: that was the like the foundation of the West Coast
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: offense and now it has evolved and innovative over a
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: period of time. That doesn't take anything away from Bill
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Walsh it's just like it's not the it's not really
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the same. Like it is the same principles and they're
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: the same foundations.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: But did it, you know, because the athletes have evolved,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: or did it evolve because you know, we just changed
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the office.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: You have to evolve as the defense is adjusted.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And that's true too.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying they run exactly the same every way,
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: but yeah, I kind of it's kind of Paul Brown,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: if you really want to get to it, that that
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: whole system that Walsh went to Cincinnati actually as the
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: offensive coordinator and did some of this, but you know
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: we're splitting.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: We don't have to do I mean, if you want
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: to really get it down.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: To well, some confused as to why this is like
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: a negative thing, it's not.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: It's not a negative thing at all. Brett doesn't want
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: to put him in the tight pants.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter where you put him.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I just think that like saying that this wasn't really
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Josh's offense because it was earn Hart and Perkins's offense
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: in the nineteen seventies.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: That's why I said, like, I.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: Think we should have like a thing where you present
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: Josh with some pants and then you're like, oh, these.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Are a little these are a little tight exactly exactly.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Know, it's like a.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Ceremonial, like and I do something cool with him instead.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: Of I can't quite get him on. To keep trying,
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: you will.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Get jealous that you didn't get to sit in with
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Mike and I do.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: We have a little breaking news here according to the
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: rap sheet, you know, like, why do they have to share?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Why do they have to do this seven minutes a.
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: Week in Rappaport, it's reporting on x that Marcus Jones
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: has signed an extension.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Three new years for the Patriots. So Rapaport's reporting it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: We knew that we actually were, we actually were with
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: him when he signed it. So I think in about
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: ten minutes that'll drop. That's a patries dot com.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, unfortunate the way it got announced, but
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: that's a great that's a that's a great signing.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: I think he's played really, really well.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: I think he's the kind of guy that you should
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: want to invest in and extend and keeping your your culture.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Great, great move. You know I have a crush Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: Full disclosure, I have a crush on Marcus Jones.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: But that being said, I don't. I think anybody objectively
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: would look at him playing at a much higher level
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: defensively than he has. And he's always been the electric
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: punt return of that he is.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: That's the thing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's we've always known about his kick return
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: of coverage, and you know, to me, this was.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: The player I saw when he was coming out.
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: I was like, man, this guy's small, but he's just
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: so sticky in man coverage. And I feel like this
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: is the first year that I've really seen that start
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: to translate, where you know, he is just right on
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: top of guys, and you know, sure they make some
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: catches here and there on him.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: He's not the biggest guy, but everything.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Feels and also physical, not afraid, you know, for his size,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: not afraid to get at the line and make tackles.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Almost the point guys, you'd like to see him tone
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: that down, Yeah, so he stays.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: I love that you brought that up, though, Fred, because
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: I've seen him a couple of times just taking on
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: this personality that Mike Rabel's preaching, effort and finish, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: I think you've seen that a lot from Marcus Jones
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: this year, even like you said, not the biggest guy,
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: but willing to stick is you know, stick his nose
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: in there making plays on the ball. So it's uh,
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: you know, was entering a contract year, so this is
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: a nice signing. And the captain this year too.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: For the first there was a play early in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: game go ahead, No, I just wanted to pay you
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: back off what due said. You know, he was on
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the last year of his rookie contract, so he was
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: going to be a free agent next offseason and one
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: of the few like marquee free agents that they were
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: going to have in terms of like starters that were
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: up at the end of the year. So proactive, really
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: proactive them to get this done and avoid the open
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: market and avoid the tags and like all that stuff
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: in February and March. And his job is a slot corner.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Is one of the hardest things to do in the
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: NFL when you have to cover receivers inside the formation
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: that have two way gos that can go run vertical,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: that can you know, go in and go out wherever.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: It's not like covering on the outside where you can
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: stick a guy on the sideline. Like you have to
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: have a ton of awareness, coverage ability, you know, speed,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: quickness like all of it, and he's done a really
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: really good job of that. I think that he you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: if they nowadays they kind of amplify the slot corner
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: of it as its own position. I think right now
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: it's trending towards him having a real chance of being
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: an All Pro at the slot position and at punt returner.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: So this is a guy that's really come into his
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: own this year with this team. He's one of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: best nickel corners in football. He's one of the best
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: punt returners in football. Team captain this.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Is And if any team says, and I'm not saying
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: this team has, but if any team says, oh, we
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: don't do contracts in the middle of the season, don't
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: believe them. Teams will do it when they they feel
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: as the right time.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: More often than not, when that happens, it's because the
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: player doesn't want to talk about that stuff during the season.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: That's generally a tea like a player thing play.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They don't like to talk about it. If they can
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: get more.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Money, yeah they don't. I mean, if if you want
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: to get it done and just do it, they don't
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: want to deal with it. It's basically but I agree
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: with you. I've seen a million contract extensions, but this
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: is like an example, and I think that there's been
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: i'd say a half dozen of these kinds of plays
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: that I remember from Marcus Jones this year, and they're
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: not It's not always the flashy play that you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: like Jalen Hawkins makes an incredible one hinted interception and
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: it makes all the highlight reels and rightly so it
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: was a great play. But I think Marcus Jones has
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: made this kind of a play a lot, and it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: a really big play. At the time that he makes it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: The game opens up, Patriots gonn. They get held to
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: a field goal, then Cleveland goes right down for touchdown.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Patriots then go three and out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: So all of a sudden, the things that you were
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: worried about are kind of happening, you know. And here
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: comes Cleveland again, second possession. Bang ten yard gain in
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: the first play, bang four yard gain on the second place.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: So now they just went seventy yards on you. Now
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: they just got a first down on their first play,
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: and they look like they're going to get a second
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: first down as they're setting up, you know, a second
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: and six. Good solid efficient run on their first run
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: of the you know, of that drive, and then they
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: throw a little pass out to Judkins, who's a good
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: running back, and they're looking to get four or five
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: more yards, and Marcus Jones comes shooting up and buries
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: them for a two yard loss.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Took away two reads on that point.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: Puts away to me, that ends a drive because Cleveland
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: cannot convert on those kinds of situations third and eight.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: They're done. They're not going to be able to do it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: Just such a subtle play, the physicality Evan just mentioned
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: sort of the instincts and the recognition that he had.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: I remember plays like that from him at least a
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: half dozen times where out of nowhere he just comes
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: in blows up a little swing pass or screen or something.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: You know. He got called for a penalty on one
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: kind of play like that on the friar mouth when
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: he ended up going low and he missed the tackle.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: He was going for the tackle, but he missed the
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: tackle and got a blocker. I just Marcus Jones to me,
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: is the kind of guy that you want.
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: To keep in your program. I mean that just highly
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: just the size of Judkins too. I mean It's not
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: an easy play for Marcus Jones. I'm not sure exactly
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: giving up twenty thirty pounds, probably that guy, but you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: taking on guys getting low.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: He's so if they convert that, now all of a sudden,
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: they're in Patriot's territory again again, you know, and maybe
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: they're gonna get points. And now maybe the first half
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: is sort of establishing itself as a half that you're
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: chasing two scores and instead you end up forcing a
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: punt on the next play.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: You know, it took you a while.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: But you got your bearings offensively, but you never really
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: fell behind by multiple schoolers.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: It was only seven to three.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, that play stood out to me as well.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: And you know, he's got curl flat and plays the
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: curl first and takes away the deeper throw and then
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: makes Gabriel check it down to the flat and then
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: just shot out of a cannon on the flat and
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: tackles him for a tackle for loss on that one.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: And you know, the interception against Buffalo obviously is a
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: big play.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: That he's made this year too.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: That was a huge one and basically blew out Carolina
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: all by himself. In Week three, I mean took that
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: game over as a punt returner.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: That was another one, not just that he made the play,
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: but when he made the play when you were kind
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: of listing a little bit, when he returns that punt
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: for a touch.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: That punt return touchdown against Carolina might be one of
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the best I've ever seen.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Remind us where he was.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Third round eighty six overall, something like that, Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Good pick, really good pick.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It's one of the few picks, and not to do
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: this whole thing, but it's one of the few picks
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: in that draft that made sense.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: When everybody loved right the time, it was.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: A consensus good pick Patriots, and the rest of that
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: draft was like who in the first Yeah, Chattanooga, But
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: the rest of it was I.
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: Wonder if if he's really healthy for the you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: I just he's battled so many different injuries. I just
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: I wonder if maybe the reason part of the reason
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: he's having such a breakout this year is maybe that
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: he's just finally feels up to one hundred. But he
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: came the year after Josh left in twenty two. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: still wonder if there's any any little plays on offense
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: for Josh jos Loo is getting created. He lets get
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: a little crazy, but I think they've got the pieces
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: on offense. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: at some point.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe they wanted to sign him before they started using
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: on my offense because the price would go up once
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: they did that, right, right.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Right, So, just to recap the first half hour, fred
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: is the one who has and it's to pick with
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: the offensive line, and he's calling in to question the
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: timing of a contract extension. Very unlike you, Freddy, keepit heal.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: I thought you'd be handling a five game winning streak better.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I'm listen, this is this is great. I don't even
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: know what to make of it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, so that would be my knit to pick.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know what to make of it yet. Yeah,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: I know what to make a Drake may But yeah,
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: I want to see it, you know. I want to
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: see the second half of the season unfold. I want
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: to see. But I will ninety nine percent sure they're
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: going to be part of the playoffs. I want to
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: see what it looks like when they get there. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: don't want to put the cart in front of the horse.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That's I will say. You know, somebody on one of
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: your shows, Well, they're beating all the bad teams. Well,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: last year they played the bad teams too, and they
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: lost him.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: Right, And this is what we all knew, that they improved, right,
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: and that they would have an opportunity to win some
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: of these games. But I have been impressed with the
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: way they've won, especially the last two.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Right, these aren't you know?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: The New Orleans won was kind of like what I
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: was expecting then, you know, if they had a really
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: good season, I expected a lot of wins like the
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: New Orleans one that kind of could have gone you
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: the way the last two games couldn't have gone either way.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, only one way that those two games were going
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: to go.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: That's your point, Friday. I looked it up.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: I think there were twenty eighth in strength of schedule
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: after the fact last year, you know, not before the
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: season when you know, but after the fact. They played
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: a really easy schedule last year too. They won four games,
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: so right, you know, right.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I mean the quarterback right now is the second in
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: betting odds for the MVP of the league.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And should be and maybe you can make an argument
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: you should be first.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Mahomes and Alan are up there kind of
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: on cotails right now, right like resumes.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: They haven't played as well as Drake may.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Mahomes has played really well he has. I'm not saying
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: that they haven't played well, but I think played better. Yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: and he you know the drive that obviously, the scripted
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: drive by McDaniels out of the half is great. But
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the other touchdown drive in the third quarter that they
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: put together, that twenty eight yards scramble, thirty nine yard
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: touchdown on a dime to Keiseh on booty, like that
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: is an MVP put the team on your back kind
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: of drove absolutely right. And the only guy that I
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: see that consistently does it like that is Josh Allen.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Like Josh Allen will hit you with the thirty yard scramble,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: hit you with another haymaker, and then all of a sudden,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: it's the game is over. Like that's the type of
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: things that you do when you look back on like
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: an MVP season against the top ten defense in the
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: league and he just said, hey, you know what, this
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: game's over.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to do this now.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: He needs his moments.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what that's the only you know, and it's again,
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: not his It's not the Patriot's fault that they're playing
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: bad teams and beating the bag out of them, And
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: it's not May's fault that he hasn't had to have
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: these moments that these other quarterbacks you've had.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: On the post game show, I we talked about Booty
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and I said, you know, pro bowler, and I was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I was poop pooed. Why Why wouldn't I think.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: Because he's like thirty fifth in receiving, Like, what does
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: that mean? So he's not a Pro Bowl he's not
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: one of the best receivers in football.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Thirty what what is that yards?
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: I think it was yards.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I looked it up when you said it because
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: I wanted to make sure I wasn't like, and I
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: didn't poo poo you. I just I don't think so
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Like he catches like two passes a game. Now, he's
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: doing everything that you're asking him to do for the Patriots.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: He's been immense, But that doesn't make him justin.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Jefferson, I didn't say he was.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Those are Pro Bowl like Jamar Chase, those are Pro
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: Bowl receivers.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but more than two guys make the Pro Bowl. Look,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I know I know that guy on.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: TV, as you like to say to Mike and I
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: when we do that, they can't see no.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: But I just think the type of plays that he's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: making I think is raising eyebrows around the league he's
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: playing with. People are like, this guy's money, he's guys.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: He's played well, But that doesn't mean that you are
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: one of the best receivers in football. That's what Pro
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Bowl means, that's what all Pro meets.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I think he's getting up there.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I think I don't even think he's sniffing it. I
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: think it's it's gonna be interesting to see what happens
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: once teams realize that you can't leave him one on
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: one backside anymore, because like every week they just keep
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: on leaving him one on one backside on the coverage
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: and him and Drake Mayer just absolutely torching teams.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And I just at some point they're gonna have to
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: do something different.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Like that's a good point. I'm not even taking that
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: away from him. I'm just saying, like you he's like, like, literally,
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: I look this up. He was like thirty fifth and
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: either yards or receptions, one of the two. Okay, Like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: if you you have to be like in the at
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: least in the top ten.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: But I consideration, I think if he keeps up this pace,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: he'll be close to one thousand yards, right you will.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's one of the most efficient receivers in
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: the league in terms of eight catch on a per
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: target basis. He's one of the most efficient receivers in
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: football right now. But I think the main thing is
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: that they're seeing a lot of you know, quarters coverage
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: where he's one on one on the backside with the
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: corners and he's just he's just beating these guys. Now,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: how long does he get that one on one coverage
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: and do they start putting you know, cloud coverage and
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: all the different things that double booty right, Like what
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: do they do to take that away?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Because in New Orleans he did it to him twice.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: In Tennessee they hit a bomb and then last week
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: they hit a bomb and it's like at some point
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: you got to look up and say, booties too, like
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: we can't do this, Like this is going to burn us.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: And the double move that he ran on on Sunday
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: was an awesome route.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: You know, gave him a little you know and then
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: go and it was just like it was pitch and cad.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: It was literally like, I mean that throw is just
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: is just such a thing of beauty watching Drake May
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: throw a deep ball. It's he's the best deep ball
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: thrower in football. He really is, and it's just it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: fun to watch. Their their second right now in the league.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: And explosive play rate uh on offense. I have the
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: second most explosive passing offense in football, and so you Sai,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: that's crazy.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: During the game that I think was very apt, we
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: both had a laugh about it. He's kind of Chris Hogan, Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: like where he just gets this cloak of invisibility.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: No, I guess I said, pop is the news Chris Hogh.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: Okay, I think Booty is the guy.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: He's making these These are great catches. Some of them
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: are contested.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: I didn't say that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing about Hogan is he'd be wide open,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: there'd be no one near it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Booty was wide open. He's been wide open a lot.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: He was wide open.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: He was wide open in Cleveland.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: The touchdown he caught, he wasn't wide open.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: It was I agree with Evan, it's a great throw
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: by Drake May just because he's wide open. Doesn't mean
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: it's not a great throw, but it was a great
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: double move and he burned the guy he's like three
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: yards behind.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Catch down the sideline.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: And I was saying, like the difference between him and Hogan,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: like Hogan was literally running through the zones wide open.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Why do you just let him say? Yeah, I enjoy
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: his I enjoyed. What did I say, He's not always
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: wide open.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about those two I didn't say every play.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I just said those two deep.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Balls, he was wide open.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: He gets credit for that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Okay, he made like that he was open on the
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: place Sunday, because.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Is when you're like standing in the field.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about Booty.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Talking about bath whole cloth of invisibility is irrelevant because
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: you were talking about a different guy. I misremembered. That
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: was my bad clue. It was a push, But I
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: get Booty or whatever. No, no, no, I'm talking about Booty.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I I think he's own little conversation.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: I think he made a great double move on that play.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: Like that's like, that's that's his his job. I mean
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: he's on pace for like forty six catches. That's a
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: pro bowler. I mean, I'm sorry, he got five, he's
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: got twenty three. Yeah, five, Yeah, now you get the ten.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's leading in the league deeperception.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: So let's just let's just double his stats and say
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: he gets let's just call it fifty catches for nine
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: hundred yards and ten touchdowns.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: That's not a pro bowler. I'm sorry, it's just not.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, after other people drop out, he'll he'll.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Go by other people.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Do you mean all the other receivers in the league,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: all of them all, Diggs is going to end up
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: with better numbers, the hyperbole. Diggs is going to end
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: up with better numbers. Do you think Diggs has had
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: a Pro Bowl season? Because I don't, But.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I just think I think the types of catches Booty,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Like you said, ten touchdowns, that's pretty good, Sure, pretty good.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: You know it's pretty.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Good, comeback player of the year, breakout.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: I'm justum, I just find it amazing that you find
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: a way like it's like three different things.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: It's like, let's nitpick and get an argument.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: Can good?
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, if.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: We're arguing, if he's like, if we're I've been incredibly
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: impressed with his performance this year, more so off the field. Yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: I'm incredibly impressed with his maturity that he's shown this year.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: So do you want his seventeen game pace since now.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: I'm going to say, fifty two catches for nine hundred
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: and twenty yards in ten and a half touchdowns.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Very close, forty eight point nine catches, So forty nine
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: catches close, nine hundred and sixteen yards and ten and
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: a half.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: But he's picked up the pace. His pace is getting fast.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Well, he opened the season with one hundred yards.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, it's not like you can
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: say those things, but it's really not accurate.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: So all right, he's been very good.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: He's been extremely valuable.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: PFW headlines and when after a good offensive game may
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: digs booty.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nice, you like that? Like that better than like
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: pop Star. I feel like he reminds me more of
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: like a Brandon LaFell than Chris Hogan. Like his style
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: was more he's he's a pure x, like he's playing
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: on the outside and he's playing the X spot. Hogan
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: was like a movable piece, like they wud move him
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: inside to move him outside.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: I get the Hogan thing. It was he was talking
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: about pop Douglas.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: I messed, yeah, that one mess that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I also don't really understand that one either.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: He used to just run deep balls and no one
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: would cover it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I know I.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Used to say he wore a cloak of invisibility, but
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: that's what he was talking about with Pop Douglas on
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: that play.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Very different players, yes, but not style.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: It's just talking about getting open.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: We're not talking about styles. Set the whole up because
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: you have to have an identity for every one of these.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Like I don't care what the name of the plays
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: that Josh McDaniels was.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I I just loved the mix of of how.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: It got the the Browns off like off balance in well,
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: like he's changing directions.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: They are not easy to defend.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: We've come full circle for it finally happened.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: We agree, Did we find it?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Did we unlock anything with all these toss plays and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: getting to the outside, I.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Think a little bit.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I think, uh, you know with Travon Henderson definitely looks
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: more comfortable getting the ball outside and playing in space,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: which I think we all could have seen coming. But
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: we talked about this a little bit the other week,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: like it's not like the schemes are all that different.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: They just were starting to toss it to him instead
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: of just handing it off to him and trying to
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: get him to get the corner himself. They were just
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: kind of making it easier for him to.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Get out there.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: And then you hope that as teams start to overplay
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the tosses, now the stuff up the middle will open
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: up a little bit, and that's how you can scheme
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: it up. I also thought that he had a really
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: good blitz pick up in this game on one of
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: mac Collins's catches, which was a sign of growth too. Obviously,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: the fumbles, you know, two steps forward, one step back
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: there at the end, but I thought that this was
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: from a usage usage standpoint, it was highly encouraging, like
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: this is how they probably should have been using him
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: from the start, and now that they found this out,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: hopefully that leads to more results down you know, down
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: the line here, and then hopefully they can get him
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: a little bit more involved in the passing game too,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: and and you know, do that sort of thing as well.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: But I definitely think that they found a little bit
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: of something and now it's just another thing that defenses
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: are going to have to plan for and have to
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: you know, in their heads as well, so they had
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: a couple of you know, play action tosses off the
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: toss action that they got open receivers off of, so
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: all of it is was kind of encouraging.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: All Right, We've got a lot to talk about, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure our listeners want to get in on the conversations.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: So let's open it up. A five five pass five
• 43:19
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• 43:24
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• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Let's start with the phone bank. We'll start with Anthony
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and Seattle. What's up, Anthony, Anthony? Anthony, Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: First, so I'm like, oh.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was on you, brit no problem.
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: Hey, listen, I got I got two things today and
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: then I'll hang up and listen. So I'll get these these.
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: I got one for uh, one thing for Evan, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: then uh, Paul, I've got one item for submission for
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: review into a Carillo's School of Clock Management. Though it
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: might be more of a situational football you might have
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: to transfer me to the situational football department.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It's one of the same with Paul. Yeah, go ahead,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: he can hear.
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: Hey, hen, Nicky, important thing you had talked about it
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: a while back. On catch twenty two, and you kind
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: of confirmed what I kind of felt like I was seeing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: But you had talked about, you know, Drake May he
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: had been sacked twelve times at the time, and it
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: was like for like forty eight yards, and I go, yeah,
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: that seems about right, because with this new found learned
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: ability to not drift in the pocket if he goes
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: right or you know, left or right, he's escaping to throw,
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: but he's learned to step into the pocket and then
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: he's either stepping in and deliver a pass or he's
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: taken off and he's going forward. And when neither of
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: those is an option, when he gets backed, he's getting
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: stack going forward. And then so I'm seeing a lot
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: of like second and thirteen, second and fourteen, and then
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: you know, with the offense that they've been playing, they
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: convert those within the next couple So that's the speaking
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: big thing. How you can have one of the most
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: stacked quarterbacks and still have one of the best offenses
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: in football. And I had Paul. So this one, I'm
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: gonna be quick. Okay, I know the game was over, Okay,
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: but as a football fan, if the Patriots did this,
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: ib Ira and I know you're gonna know where I'm
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: going with this. Cleveland is down to thirty to seven.
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: They go down the field and you get a touchdown,
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: you get a score to make it a two score game,
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: except you don't make it a two score game because
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: for some reason you want to go for two to
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: make it fifteen instead of just taking your extra point
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: and making a two score game. And ah, by the way,
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: you recovered an on side kick, so you could have
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: had the ball down two scores with the ball with
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: a sliver of pope, I will.
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: Hang up and listen.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks you.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: And then the on side kick didn't happen after the
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: touchdown that they recovered.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: It was after the safety. But I agree with Anthony.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: They and I said it live like you have a
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: chance to get within sixteen. Take it. I mean the
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: game was over. He's right, Anthony. Everything Anthony said is
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent right. And so the whole fourteen thing
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: like that just I don't know if everybody was paying attention.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: They had a chance to kick an extra point and
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: make it sixteen, just like Anthony said, which technically gives
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: you two possessions, and you can do it if you
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: miss the two point in you don't get anything out
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: of the fifteen fifteen sixteen is really not a huge difference.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Sixteen and seventeen is an enormous difference. So I don't
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: really understand that. I hate the whole fourteen thing that
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: everybody does. Now, the Jets just executed it perfectly and
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: won a game with it. They went for two and
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: the first one got it kicked the extra point one
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: thirty nine thirty eight. I don't like it, but at
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: least I understand I'm scoring a touchdown to get within
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: a score. I'm going for two to try to get
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: to within six. But I'm still within a score even
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: if I miss, risking having to have an additional score.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: So I don't like it, but at least that makes
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: logical sense. I'm only I'm getting within one score either
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: way this and again, I know the game was over.
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: You know, they're probably just working on two point plays
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: at that point, trying to get some practice and whatever.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: But I think you should if you're planning on on
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: side kick, you should play it out and try to
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: do it that way. But just as a clarific you know, cleary, clarify, clarify,
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: they did the on side kick after the touchdown and
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: didn't get it. It was after the safety, after the
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Henderson fumble. They got a safety and then they did
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: a free kick. That's when they got the on side kick.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: That's when they recovered. And evidently Mike Mike not happy
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: with Austin Hooper on that play based on yeah, based
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: on his comments best on Mike's comments about the on
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: side kick recovery, he did not call Hooper out individually.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: But that's the guy who.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Because usually when it when they they bounce it like
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: that in the air, you need to go get the ball,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: you know what when it bounces.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Like you don't.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: You got to hit somebody because you got to go
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: get the ball. Whereas like sometimes they just like go
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: down the line and pick a guy and just kick
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: it right at him and hopefully it bounces off of
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: them and like that. But that's when you like wait
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: on it like a grounder in baseball and you.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Kind of attack it, right.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: But yeah, the the whole like extra point thing, it's
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: just a philosophical We don't have to like get into
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: the whole debate, but like is being down is it
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: two scores? When you need to get too extra point?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Two point conversions.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I look at it. I look at it as clock,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: like the clock isn't running when you go for those
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: two And I hear that argument, you know.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people look at Okay, you
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: need two touchdowns and two point two point to get time, right,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: that's not truly a two score game.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: It is, but it is.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I'm possessed. I actually am on your side on this one.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: Right, because you can't possibly not be like the fourteen
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: twenty can make. You can make an argument about it,
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: but you you need to possess the ball twice to
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: score sixteen points, yep, to score seventeen, you need to
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: get it three times, right. I don't care what your
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: extra points are. You need the ball three times. There's
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: a difference there, there is, and it's not. I mean again,
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: if Stefanski might have been looking at it, say I
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: got a young quarterback making his fourth start, he could
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: you know, well, we're going to play this out, we're
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: going to use the two point conversion as practice. And
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: if that was his rationale, I have no problem with it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: But if you're actually trying to win the game, that
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: makes no sense.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: What you did. Christians in la Hey Christian Christian.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh.
• 49:55
  Speaker 12: Yes, I just want to quickly okay, and this is
• 50:01
  Speaker 12: a big deal to me, is that do you guys
• 50:04
  Speaker 12: realize what happened the other day? Do you guys realize
• 50:07
  Speaker 12: that we please, it's not the best defense in the league.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: We didn't realize that. No, I didn't know what's going
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: on with your phone?
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: D a good defense and play good offense?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: What are you doing talk into the phone? Well, okay,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: get us off speaker.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: His heart's not in it today.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's like the guy that we're.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Gonna move on.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: Into the sports Hub. Last week, it is like, I'm
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: from Cleveland. I don't know like Miles Garrett He's he's right, thanks,
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: you need.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: To be from Cleveland. Oh no, I actually had somebody
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: on the block, you know, uh that said, you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is is one of the best players. And
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: you know I've been saying that all week. I'm like, oh,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: you're the one that that's been saying that. Kirk's in Delaware, Hey, Kirk, Kirk.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: These people aren't ready today. What's going on? Kirk?
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not happy.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I think he'd be much happier with a five game
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: I think it's my fault, all right.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Kirk's gone, Kirk's gone. I can't, we can't. We can't
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: have these pre snap penalties fall start. These are pre
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: snap penalties unaccepted. That's on the player. That's on the player.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Randall's in Texas, Hey Randall.
• 51:29
  Speaker 13: What's going on? Boys?
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: That's how you do it? Good, solid five yard Ronnie
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: was ready to go.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Mess with don't mess with Texas.
• 51:39
  Speaker 13: I was gonna say, isn't it crazy how we have
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: Margus Jones pace for three years now or three more
• 51:44
  Speaker 13: years now and now? It was kind of like, yes, too,
• 51:46
  Speaker 13: elite quarters, is it weird to say that we have
• 51:48
  Speaker 13: wouldn't might be better than Christian Gonzalez a little bit
• 51:51
  Speaker 13: or just as good as him. Honestly, I feel like
• 51:53
  Speaker 13: you've been playing good. He's really good, really really good.
• 51:58
  Speaker 13: No one's talking about them, but well the.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Team definitely noticed. Yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean he's seen a lot of action. I
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: mean I think that's just we talk about him every week. Yeah,
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: being part of being on the slot, like Paul said,
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's just he's involved in so much.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a huge mental and physical undertaking playing in there.
• 52:14
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah, in the trio of Marcus, Donzo and Davis is
• 52:17
  Speaker 13: like pretty underrage and honestly, all right, thanks Randall.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: I know it's underrated. I think a lot of people
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: know it's a really good cornerback trio and just Stat's
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: kind of buried out. They don't throw at him, like
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: they really don't throw at Davis or Gonzo all that much.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: You know, Gonzo was targeted more in this game and
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: kind of dominated and looked like his old self, which
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: was a really good sign, I thought, and laughing at
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Jerry Judy, who you know.
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: What was that about? Which thinks it is good?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Like do you think you're gonna beat me with that?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Come on?
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: This was like what I was talking about, Like I
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: I want to see some of some of this stuff,
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: and what they've done has been impressive, I don't know
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: how difficult, you know. I want to say they've faced
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: the thirty fourth, thirty third, thirty second, and thirty first
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: and twenty ninth rated passers in football or something like that.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: I mean they've played they've played eight games, and they've
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: played five of the most wretched passing attacks in football
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: that you that you could see, you know, like Sunday,
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: like I agree with you guys. You got we all
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: We talked about Gonzalez a little bit on the in
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: the postgame show, and I kind of, you know, I
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: wasn't as effusive in my praise because he's locking up
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: Jerome Forde like what like they have not like this
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: is not Gonzalez's fault. Again, just like I don't blame
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: Drake may for completing seventy plus percent of his passes
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: every week, not his fault. They're dominating. But who are
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: they dominating? Sure, that's that'd been.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: My only Judy's a good player, but they don't have
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: a quarterback.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: Not this year. He hasn't been a good player, and
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: they doesn't the quarterbacks.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that might be why.
• 53:55
  Speaker 9: Like by me, almost what stood out most of Gonzalez
• 53:57
  Speaker 9: was just how well he came up and tackled in
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: like his physicality and not a lot of yards And
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: you know, those are the things to me impresses me
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: with that. Sure, I just those things. In the first
• 54:06
  Speaker 9: few weeks he was back, it seemed a little slow
• 54:08
  Speaker 9: to click. It seemed like the tackles were a little
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: bit more unsure or later or broken, and that that
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: was more to me than even the coverage, Like, I
• 54:15
  Speaker 9: just it's that's the Gonzales I remember playing.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: At a high level.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he's like I think he's
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent confident now, Like.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: The Gonzales play against Buffalo. To me is that it's
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: vintage and zounds like the one to knock away the
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: pastor she care, that's what I could play. You know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: she cares a pretty good player. I don't not not
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: a Pro Bowl or anything like that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: He's not.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Boody, I took the words out of my than well,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: you know part of it for me.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: Those twos you just know, you see the re run
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: like I like them, So I looked it up. Either way,
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: he's twenty sixth in yards. He's not in the top
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: fifty in receptions.
• 54:51
  Speaker 15: This thing was not with.
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: Gonzo though, that I like about some of the physicality
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: showed us, just like the style that these guys play
• 54:57
  Speaker 9: with under Vrabel. I don't necessarily know Gonzalez is totally
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: that guy. If he's totally that kind of fiery, aggressive
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: personality player, I think he plays.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: That's why I like that.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: But I like, like, I like a little of the physicality.
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: That's the solid tackling.
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: I think those are things that will appeal to Vrabel
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: and say this is you know, look, he's never going
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: to be that aggressive in your face scream, but he
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: can play tough and physicals.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Had to come over and like drag him away.
• 55:23
  Speaker 14: I like that.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like stuff to calm down. And they're
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: running so much.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: You know, they run so much zone in this system,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: and I don't care for it necessarily, but it's the
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: defense that they're running, and they run a lot of
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: this guy's zone. So him finding ways to make plays
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: in zone, which has not always been his specialty, but
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: also just it's just not his forte and uh, you know,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: I thought the one that he came up and and
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: not the guy knocked the ball out of the guy's hands,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: you know, playing the flat there, it was it was
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: a really good play, you know, kind of just took
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: away the deeper one, kind of like similar to the
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: one we talked about with Marcus Jones before.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: Those guys were good Sunday.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that those types of plays, that's that's good
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: But are they again were I think it was like
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: seventy percent zone in this game, and like, look, you're
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: facing a young quarterback.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: You're trying to spin the dial on. Well, I'm not
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: taking any points away from them. Yeah, I mean I
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: want to see it against some of the better teams,
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: but I'm not going to take points away because they're
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: dominating against you know, pedestrian passing games.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I just keep going back to the Buffalo game.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Sorry, that's all right, Like they played forty percent man
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: in Buffalo, and they challenge the Bills receivers in man
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: to man with Gonzo back, and like when they face
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: good quarterbacks, I still think they're going to go to that,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: and that makes me feel a little bit better. The
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, it's been a lot of zone
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: and they're kind of just looking at these young quarterbacks like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: are you going to read it out? Are you going
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: to find the openings? Are you going to consistently hit
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: the windows? Like we have confidence that you're not.
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: I just want to ask you what you thought of
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: And I read the next gen pressure rates for the defense,
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: which was pretty high.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and so I'm kind of stuck.
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: I'd be interested to see a what you saw on
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: how PFF created it out, But like it just seems
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: to me like they're ranking highly in pressure, but it's
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: not really affecting the quarterback.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: So I think in this game they tried to put
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: him in the trash compactor because he's five eleven and
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: can't see over the line of scrimmage. So they were
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: trying to just kind of push the pocket and suffocate
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: the pocket around him. And what ended up happening was
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: is that you can see him back there, and he
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: ended up having to get out of the pocket because
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: he literally couldn't see over the line of scrimmage.
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: And that's what cost them an opportunity to make a
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: big play after the interception the pass to Isaiah Bond. Yeah,
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: he shouldn't have had to leave the pocket on that play.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: He should have just thrown it, but he probably couldn't see.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so they.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: You know, Chase on bar More, Williams Tonga all day long.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: They're just bul rushing. They're just speed to power press
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: the pocket and make him see over it, and he's
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: five foot eleven.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Anthony writes in on the podcast at Patriots dot Com email,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is a godsend. He has so many wrinkles
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: off the same formation. He was just as important to
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: hire as Vrabel Do we agree. I don't know. It's
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: so the head coach is the head coach.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: You're scratching two different inches there, like the head coaches
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: setting culture, setting tone, you know, making sure everything's orchestrated
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: from a CEO type level, like McDaniels is. I think
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: what is making McDaniels thrive, other than having Drake may,
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: which is obviously huge, is that like he just has
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: to go in the lab, like he's not being asked
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: to do any of the you know, higher level head
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: coaching responsibilities or anything like that. He's just game planning
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: and drawn up plays and doing what he does best.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: So without one, you can't really have the other because
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: then there'd be more on mcdaniels's play.
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: I mean along those lines, you know, Christian Barmore didn't
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: play in the first quarter, Mike Rabel, that's something the
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: head coach has to do. Any feelings on that, were
• 59:05
  Speaker 9: you guys surprised by Barmore? Seems like Mike Rabel is,
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: we dealt with it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: We're moving on. It's in the past.
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: But those are the kind of things you're Radar is
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: always up up for, and you know with Barmore, who's
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: had some issues in the past.
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we still don't know what happens.
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: I'd like to have known someone.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: I asked him, but yeah, he didn't want to talk.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we tried. So by after the game,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: we're talking about Rabel or Barmore. Brabel, oh, that one
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: I can't speak to. But Barmore declined to talk to reporters.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, so they've probably made an agreement. We're going
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: to keep it internal. But the fact that it was
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: a one quarter suspension probably speaks to the severity of it. Yeah,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's probably more of a team rules
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: type of thing.
• 59:51
  Speaker 9: I think that's yeah, yeah, that's just the kind of
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: stuff though that Josh McDaniels doesn't have to worry about it.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: The offensive coordinator, he you know, well, I just think
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: it's you know, that one and you know, along those
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: same lines like Kean White being a healthy scratch was
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: definitely eyebrow raising, especially given the trade deadline.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Team full of guys and things are going to happen
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: throughout the year, and that's part of the questions an
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: owner has to ask, you know, any head coach that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: they're candidate. It's not the ex's and o's all these
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: most of these coaches, they know the ex's and o's,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: it's what do you do, how do you discipline? What's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: your culture? What do you do at three o'clock when
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: you get that phone call? How do you deal with that?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: You know, that's just as important for an owner to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: know about their head coach. Tyler from Ludlow. I know
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the old timers like Fred and Paul have gotten questions
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: in the past about when they knew Brady became Brady.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Obviously it's too early to begin any real comparisons, but
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: does it feel like right now could be that moment
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: for Drake? We can revisit this when he wins six
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Super Bowls, but what he is doing now feels real special.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: It is really, do we know that this guy's going
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: to be great right now?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: I don't. But what that doesn't mean that what he's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: doing isn't special, Like I don't think that it's just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: you know, a fluke to have, like, really seven consecutive games.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: I would say the Pittsburgh game wasn't great. Statistically it was,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: but it wasn't great. But the other six games, like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: you'd be hard for you could count on one hand,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: the amount, Oh Drake, what are you doing on that one?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: You know, there's not too many mistakes, but you need
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: the spots, you need the moments.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I flashing back a little bit to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 9: just the early days of Brady.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: Being like is he really special?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: Like you know, like you just you can't quite believe it,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: and like part of me doesn't want to jinx Drake
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: and you know, be like this is it. But at
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 9: the same time, like, you know, has a guy ever
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: put a stretch together like this and then just fallen
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 9: completely back to earth and he's just an average, below
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: average quarterback that's hard to.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: Stretch statistically like this, I would probably say no, But
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: I've seen guys play well for you know, whole seasons
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: and then not so well.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that what's special about him is like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: everything is on the menu. And if you're a coordinator
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: that you know, like Josh is really good at his job.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: Like there's so many different things that you can do
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: to leverage Drake may against defenses that just make for
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: easy offense. Like you know, you can't run bootlegs with
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: a stationary pocket passer. You can't run you know, read
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: options and RPOs and things like that. You can't run
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: the offense as much out of the gun because he's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: his own checkdown. So if you have to get into
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: a situation where there's nobody open downfield, well now he
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: can take off and he can scramble for a checkdown
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: instead of having to find a checkdown. So now you
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: almost like don't even need to program a check down
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: into the offense. So now you can put five guys
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: deep in the pattern and like the way that that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: just like stresses defenses. Defenses are not built to cover
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: five downfield eligibles, Like they're not really built that way structurally.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: Usually you have level to the concepts and you have
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: checkdowns that are kind of safety valves in the flats
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: that you can kind of forget about.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Now they can really stress the team down the field
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: because he's so mobile, And like, this is why these
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: types of quarterbacks are taking over the NFL is because
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: it's just so difficult to defend these types of guys.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: So I don't know how that like, yeah, he might
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: not be this consistent for this long of a stretch
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: like he has been here, but his talent isn't going
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: to just evaporate. Nope, No, so like that that's always
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: going to be.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: There's just injuries. That's the only real concern that you know, injury.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: I mean it's kind of like Joe Burrow just is
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 9: never you know, he's always kind of fighting something.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: And if Drake were to get hurt and lose some
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: of that mobility, that that.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: But otherwise it's hard to come up with a reason
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: why he can't play at a high level. Maybe not
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: ridiculous like as he's been, but he looks.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: Elite to me.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Travis and West Virginia. Fred. The lobe of your brain
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: that tells you Booty is a pro bowler must be
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: the same lobe that tells you pat Naguawama is an
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: interesting caller, Patty getting trapped.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: Patty has gotten a lot of strange.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, calls in, loves the team. That's some questions. I
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's tough.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: All right, back to the phones eight five hundred. Let's see,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: we'll go to uh Joe and Pennsylvania. Hey, Joe, Yojo, Hey.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 16: Guys love the show.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 17: And I'll just take it back on some of the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 17: Josh McDaniels talk. And here's just some scenarios for you. Uh,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 17: what if Josh McDaniels if he never left after twenty one?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 17: Do you think still think Bill still be would still
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 17: be here? And maybe even mac Jones A good Questionnios.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 17: The other two scenarios, what if Dre what if Gerrod
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 17: Mayo hired Josh? And then also to do you think
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 17: do you think Drake is an MVP candidate right now
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 17: without Josh McDaniels, say if they hired somebody else.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd have to know who that's somebody else is. Yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: it's one of good.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think that. I think he's because I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: give more of the credit to the player, thanks Joe,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: than anybody else. It doesn't mean I don't think Josh
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: mc chamons is doing a good job. Right, And I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: just told you I thought Sunday was his best masterclass.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: I thought that drive at the beginning of the third
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: quarter had to have at least something to do with
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: going in at halftime and talking about some different things
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: they were.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Going to do, like he was doing Ted talk on
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: the sideline.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: That drive was so effective it looked like the opponent's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: drive against the Patriots on the first drive every game.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but his first question was a good one.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: It's like, did I take it a little too far?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: How would history be different if, instead of Patricia and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Judge being you know, elevated to the offense Josh McDaniel
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: stayed with Matt Jones for his second year.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: That's an interest to his teams are very talent devoid.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: I think they probably would have been better, but not
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: good enough to climb out of the basement.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: It's kind of Evans thing.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: I think it would get you into the middle of
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: the draft, but it wouldn't get you, Drake May, it
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: wouldn't catch you.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I just remember, like all the turmoil that having Patricia
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: as offensive coiner led to mac Jones asking questions being
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: put in the doghouse. Balachic wouldn't even mention this.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: Dame Bill would still be here. Do you think that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: regime would still be intact?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: No, to me is the question.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I think Bill's problem was roster.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: I don't like that.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the decisions with the coordinators and stuff
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: was bad too, But the issue that I and I,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: you know, something like it was kind of a cautionary tale.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: And you know, Elliot Wolf was here for twenty one too,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: so you kind of hope that he learns from it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: They didn't really add in twenty two, Like they they
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: took this troup the big free agency hall in twenty
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: one DeVante Parker, and then they went into twenty two
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: with all this momentum coming off a ten win season,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: and they kind of stayed pat and then plateaued as
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: a team in twenty one. So like next offseason, I'm
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: not saying that they have to go out and spend
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: three hundred million dollars again, but you have to go
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: out and get a piece for.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Drake May to take this to keep adding to this offense, Like.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: You can't just be complacent, and I think Bill was complacent,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of it, you know, I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: know Paul's been big on this is that he.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Just didn't believe in it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: Like I genuinely don't think that he believed that receivers
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: and the shiny toys and all that stuff was really
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: that valuable in the grand scheme of it all. But
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: that was kind of their undoing, was how they handled
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: that position and how they handled that room.
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  Speaker 9: I was just say, Jacobe Meers leaves him leaving twenty two,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: you bring into Vante Parker, that was kind of it, right.
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  Speaker 6: So I would even you know, everything I was saying
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  Speaker 6: about the roster is I would absolutely agree.
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  Speaker 2: With comestad a specialty.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, but I would even just take it a
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  Speaker 6: step further. I think Evan's right. I think that it
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: probably would have unfolded in a similar fashion. I think
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: we would have come to the conclusion that make mac
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: Jones wasn't talented enough to lift others around him, and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: they weren't as good. It's the Andy thing. They were
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: a ten win team. They won ten games, but they
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: weren't a ten win team in twenty one. That in
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: my view, was proven over the last six games when
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: they played some good teams and lost them all and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: got boat raced in the playoffs. I don't think that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: they were good enough to have Bill overcome his personal mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, hello, goode are you? Are you you great?
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  Speaker 4: Eight weeks and Mike has anything about this team or
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: where you're at exceeded your expectations.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 20: I don't think that that's fair, and essers necessarily say
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 20: exceeded any expectations.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Try not to.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 20: Don't have expectations, right, We just have things that we
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 20: want to try to focus on and improve on. You know,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 20: I don't think that they I think that they are
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 20: believe in themselves and that they believe that they're going
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 20: to make some plays, and that they're you know, not really.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Panicking, and.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 20: Signs of complimentary football and signs of preparation, and then
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 20: some things that we have to continue to correct. And
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 20: I think that that's that's really good. When you can
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 20: find ways to win and end the game with the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 20: football in your hand and kneeling on it. Those are
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 20: things that I think good teams find a way to do.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 20: We just have to, you know, play a little better
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 20: and keep improving. And you know, through this stretch here
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 20: in the middle middle of the season where guys are
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 20: banged up and there's you know, weeks kind of start
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 20: to you know, the days they kind of really just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 20: start to be similar, and I like the consistency of it.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 20: I just don't want guys to to get you know, flat,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 20: or you know, some of these veteran guys that we
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 20: got to be conscious of getting their.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Bodies back in this time of year.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: I felt like you guys were.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 12: Able to get treveon going a little bit yesterday.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you on some of those pitch.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: Plays, like those misdirection pitch plays.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: What makes those hard to defend? You think?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: And does it put doubt in the minds of defensive.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 14: Players if you're able to.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Hit on one of those early in the game.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 20: Well, a lot of that is predicated on the defense
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 20: that they're playing, and you know sometimes zone or corners
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 20: that may roll up, or you know, pressure to a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 20: certain side, or you know, whatever it may be. So
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 20: I felt like that was something that we could do
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 20: this week, and it was good to hit a couple
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 20: of those guys, did a nice job of getting out
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 20: in front of them, and.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: You know we're able to hit some explosive gains that way.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 20: So it'll it'll be all kind of all separate, you know,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 20: each and every week based on what we need or
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 20: what we feel like we can do.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 20: Yesterday, I thought he you know, ran well out in space.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 20: I thought he made a good cut on one of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 20: those perimeter plays and continue to work and you know,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 20: got a couple of returns and I feel like we
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 20: could be better there, but you know, being able to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 20: have his speed on the edge. And again we're going
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 20: to try to use all the all the skilled players
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 20: that we have. Just like yesterday, Max the leading receiver
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 20: by by the numbers, so kind of each week, I
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 20: think everybody's ready to go and try to take advantage
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 20: of their opportunity and no different than the running backs like.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 21: Cample played yesterday and had three bottles with the future
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 21: Hall of Fame or with your message.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think it.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 20: You know, again, it's always a challenge when you play
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 20: Miles Garrett and you know, it's hard to recreate that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 20: speed and that type of you know, what are we
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 20: going to do on the show team?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Like who do we have? Like if we did, they
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be on a show team.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 20: So there were some you know, good plays, good blocks patients,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 20: closing a space and did a good job in a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 20: run game. And then you know some plays that again
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 20: he would like to have back, and yeah, I think
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 20: that's what happens. But I think Will is going to
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 20: keep practicing and improving and continuing to help us.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Garrett came.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: For a lineup.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Is there more too much of a runway?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that need to close the space a little bit,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: close the space and know that, hey, everybody else is
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: on their own.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 20: We we have to commit to two players, uh to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 20: Ales as opposed to maybe hanging in there a little bit.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 20: So I think we will all learn from that and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 20: be able to uh to improve and understand. You know,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 20: he's seen those all the time, so he knows, you know,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 20: when he's coming off that that chip that we have
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 20: to probably close the distance and know that he's ready
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 20: to make another move or another couple moves were.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: Some things that said Josh McDaniels.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: A part is a play designer and a play caller.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 20: It seems like Drake has some really wide open targets
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 20: and times and obviously Traygion getting going outside. Well, I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 20: think as a as a play designer, I'm I'm excited
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 20: where everybody is offensively and kind of you know, being
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 20: able to collaborate and come together, provide ideas, allow Josh
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 20: and you know, to to kind of figure out what
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 20: he wants to do each and every week, whether that's
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 20: the run game or play pass, movement series, screens, drop
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 20: back passes.
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  Speaker 1: So I like where that's at. And then I think
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: as far as you know the play calling.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 20: That that's you know, that's just a feel, that's an
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 20: understanding of, you know, what we need, where they're at,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 20: what they're trying to do, trying to marry some concepts
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 20: together with some of their run actions. And I think
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 20: he's done done a great job, not only this year,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 20: but you know, being able to see what he's done
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 20: in the past. That's always just a feel of, you know,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 20: we showed this, let's come back and you know, let's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 20: try to show them the same presentation but run a
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 20: different play and then.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: You know, some of the you know, guys free. I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: think just I don't know if that's the case.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 20: You know, I mean Pop was free because the quarterback
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 20: extended and they.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Didn't cover them.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 20: So we need to continue to do that and find
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 20: ways to get the ball out on time, but then
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 20: also a lot of quarterback to to extend. So to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 20: answer your question, I like where we are offensively, the collaboration,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 20: the communication, the efficiency to put the game plan together,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 20: and then Josh's ability to marry off different concepts that.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: We have wait and now great moments in.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: History.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 19: I did think it was funny when Bill's like, is
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 19: that another one of your made up reports? Like, no, actually,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 19: that's from Adam Schefter, Like, oh, actually actually.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: Actually said that's not what he said. I ridge the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: tweet because that's not what I told him to say.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: Oh wait, I'm sorry.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: What what do the gap girls become?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: What if Bill talked like that?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: Can you imagine if you count and he just started
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: talking with a whole different like syntax and are.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: The best team we faced all year.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 19: I just spent the season on Nantucket and I was
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 19: preparing for the draft.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: Or he just like wolfed into like lack this big
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: lax guy Laxboro. Yeah yeah, bro, Bro, we could get
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: to Sean Watson. Bro, we could get to Sean Watson.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: He's got the hair in the back a different, different
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: accident for a different day of the week, because he
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: has all these different you know, regular Bill on Monday,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: from get Laxborough on Wednesday, you get Valley Girl on.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 19: Friday, and people are so intimidated by him that no
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 19: one would question it.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: They would all just be like, oh what, Bill Wonder,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: why are you.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Talking like a valley girl right now? It would be celebrated.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Oh and then everybody would start telling he adapts, how
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: he adapts. That's another great moment from all right back here.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Patriots on Filterday, five to five past five hundred is
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: the hot line. It's Evan, It's Paul me, Deuce, Matt
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: and the booth tucking Patriots talking like everybody else. Talk
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: of the town.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: I don't like it, talk of the town. Stay on
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: that side, dan Orlovsky.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: Wow, you know, I'm not afraid you don't like the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: attention now, No, I just don't like that all these
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: people are telling me that Drake may needed to sit
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: for three years and now he's the MVP of the league.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: And.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I knew all along he was gonna
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: be great like and we're back. If I remember correctly,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: he was supposed to be the next to Jordan Love.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Was that correct? And he needed to sit and you
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: had to be careful with him and his footwork just
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: wasn't good.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: Bill, Well we're now, Oh yeah, where where's that one?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Coach killer?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, coach killer, m VP of the league. Yeah, we
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: can kill.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: This is the stuff I did not miss.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: I remember.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: But you don't like, you know, revisiting takes, Paul, No,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: why not.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: I don't mind revisiting takes. But I've told you a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: million times the best thing you do, like your Danie Olowski.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: I can sit here and tell you he shouldn't be
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: playing right now, he should have sat two years, or
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: I could tell you what is actually happening is that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: he's an MVP candidate. I would prefer that he does
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: the latter, because that's what everybody sees. But we just
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: want to kill the guy.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is this is.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just teasing because he's an all twenty two competitors.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I like Dan a lot.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just teasing Dan. I'm not ice breakdown
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: of Drake May on draft night telling us how bad
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: his footwork was.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is his lowest ranked quarterback.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: In the game in the a SEC. Thank you.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: That's close last week.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 18: What this is?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: This is what I'm saying. I don't have any problem
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: keeping receipts that you guys know that. I have arguments
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: going like seven at a time. Yeah, I keep receipts.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: I've said my piece, all right, listen.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: I thought Matt Patricia was going to be a fine
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: And really we just thank him.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: We should thank him, we should thank him. We've all
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: been wrong.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: But the I just the ones about Drake May annoying
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: me more than anything else because I just never understood
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: what the hysteria was with him coming out.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: I didn't see him playing like an MVP in year two.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: We were just talking about this during the break. Nobody
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: could have seen this coming. But the hysteria that was
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: made when he was coming out about his footwork, like
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: he wasn't going to work on that for three hundred
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: and sixty five days out of the year with NFL
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: coaches and quarterback gurus and all these guys that get
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: these quarterbacks ready to play now, and he wasn't going
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: to be able to fix his footwork like an athletic,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: big athletic kid like that like that, it was just
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: all of it was just draft fatigue.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: The same thing with Will Campbell in his arms, like
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: it's every year.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: Can we do a real talk though, Like honestly, like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: after that Raiders game, I was a little shook.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: I'm not gonna lie. Week one, I was a little
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: bit shook, and I know that's a touchdown.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: His footwork was a mess, a complete and utter mess,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: a ton of touchdown pats. So to see where he
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: is now compared to then, it's.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: Like they reset the they reset things, and it was
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: like you weren't even thinking about last year. You're just
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: thinking like, oh my god, like is this not going
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: to work?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: And then I had a little talk with Freddy, you know,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: in the the week after the Raiders game, and I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 6: was like, you know, like if we have a whole
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: season of this. Now, this is one game, so we
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: were doing the reaction everything, but one game. You have
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 6: a whole season of this. Is it off the table
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: that you're at the end of the year, you're thinking
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: do we have the right guy? Now you're like, is
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: he going to win the MVP? Is he going to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: do what Mahomes did year two? First year is a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: starter and win the.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: M v P.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: That's on the table right.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: It's such a perfect example of like, we have a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: show to do this week, and that week we talked
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: about it that we we talked about.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: Is he going to get some of these things fixed?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: Like motioning like it's like, what was that first game?
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Like, I don't even know is he going to win
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: the MVP?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: I won't go down Josh thinking that that first game
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: was something weird was going on where they said let's
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: hold back and let's just kind of run our base
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: training camp offense, and like there was none none of
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: the bells and whistles, none of the moving pockets, none
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: of the motions, none of the split back gun like
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: none of it.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: It was just like traditional, like it was.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: They already ran the same offense today that Drake May
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: would look the same running it as he did that day.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: So that's the question is like was the did they
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: need the reps? Like did they need the time?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: I think so to develop the offense and that and
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: that would be a feather in their cap, like they
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: had showed some more patience. Then That's why I'm sitting
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: here and there down the hall. But like that, that
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: whole game like was just like bizarro land compared to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: what the offense we're seeing.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Right, no offense and defense, you know, with all the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: plitz you know, Uh Sam in North Carolina? What's up? Sam?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 15: I told everybody last year I've seen Drake was going
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 15: to be a store like you would do things he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 15: made you do, like you could actually score again and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 15: stuff like that. So long like this year he's showing
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 15: everybody will work Like nah, he turnover machine this net.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 14: I mean, the guy was pressed, you know.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: What I mean.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 14: But I feel like that Steelers game was the perfect
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 14: teach tape. It's like you could be this if you
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 14: don't beat yourself and turn the bowl of it. Yeah,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 14: and it's just it's worked out perfect. I mean that
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 14: little where we're at, what if what if the Stealers
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 14: game was the Rams game back in the day, and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 14: they never lose again.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Let its yeah, okay, what if the Steelers game was
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: like that Rams game in oh one, That Rams game
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: was later in the season, it was the Rams are.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: The best team in football.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: The Steelers, yeah, fading mediocre at best, but in terms
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: of a turning point, well.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: In terms of them never losing again, I think it's
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: in comparison it could be a turning point.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Could they never lose again?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, and they never Fred likes to say fifteen
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: and two is on the table.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 9: That's true, that's true. Give me the Tampa give me
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 9: that Tampa game. Let's see what that looks like.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: What's the Falcons? First?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: All things about Tampa that I do you think? Do
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: you think I think Tampa is in trouble right now?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: I think they're going the wrong way.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: The Baker Mayfield weirdly horrible against man coverage, like one
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: of the worst quarterbacks in the league against man coverage.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: Black horrible the last two weeks period.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: And I know a couple of corners in New England
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: that play pretty good man coverage.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I think reportedly, Well, let's let's hope he stays in
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: the league. Raheem's in Georgia. What's up, Raheem?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 11: What's up?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 15: Fellows?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Hey? Mark? What about that?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 11: Marches Jovistinton?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Good, love it.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 10: But in a way, why do the world in the.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 11: Media and everybody keep putting the Bills in the Super Bowl?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 14: Already?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: The Bills.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: Most in the media have the Bill's window closing. Led
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: by Fred Kirsh, I've.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 11: Watched the show. They still got the Bill to win it. Chiefs,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 11: Lions and Eagles, and I don't know why they we
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 11: don't beat them, and they keep acting like they sent
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 11: them do some miracle and in of winning it.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Well, let's face it. I mean, you know, right now,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: you'd still have to say the Bills and the Chiefs
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: have to be favored in the AFC, right because they've
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: got Josh Allen in Mahomes and the two degree and pedigree. Well,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: it's gonna take a little bit of time, but it's growing, Rahiem.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are now talking about Drake may
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: as the MVP, and they're penciling in the Patriots for
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. So it's building. It's building. But I think
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: that you have to admit the Bills and the Chiefs
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: have earned the confidence. We're gaining confidence.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 11: Oh no, I guess so.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: All right, No, it's all right, you stick with it.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Let's go Patriots and thanks him.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: I think it's wide open too, and not just because
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: of the injuries, although that's a big, big part of it,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: but there's there's some struggles that are still going on,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: like they're just no one looks to me when I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: watch them play, like wow, that is an impressive Like,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know how we're gonna be able to deal
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: with that. Like we're talking about Tampa in two weeks.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: Fred gets mad at us because we're dismissing the Jecko
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: and Hyde Falcons. But the Tampa game, like I watched them,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: they just don't look that good to me. They've lost
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: a million players. You know, Abuca is an excellent young receiver,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: but he clearly playing hurt. And you got no Evans,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: no Godwin, no Irving. You know, I don't know this
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: by came in a good time for them. Maybe they
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: get some of these guys back. You know, I don't
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: think Jalen mcmillens played all year. Has he yeut with
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: that neck in joy? He still at the neck.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: So I just Tampa's good.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that they're not a good team, but
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: do you look at them like you looked at Philadelphia
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: last year, or Kansas City last year, or Buffalo last year.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: Troit?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and this Detroit, thank you. You know, we're maybe
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: the best at all.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 9: Kind of crossing the halfway point of the season now,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 9: right like week nine, like it's it feels like first
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 9: half some teams were good, some teams are bad.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: Now it's the time to really prove who you really are.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: I think it could change.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: That's a good pine like the Chiefs.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: Everybody's already doing it with the Chiefs, and I'm not
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: telling you they're wrong. Yeah, but ever since Worthy came back,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: they've been I believe twenty eight is the fewest amount
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: of points they've scored in the four weeks that they
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: they've had their compliment of players back, so the days
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: of them not being able to move the ball seem
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: like a distant memory. And last night was another night.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: If Kelsey could catch the ball, they you know, they
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: might have put up forty. Yeah, like they you know,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: they get these interceptions off of passes that go right
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: to guys hands yeah.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: I think you know, the Patriots, the Colts and the
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: Seahawks are three the better teams in the league on paper,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: but they don't have any resume, Like there's no they
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: haven't proved themselves fully yet. And I don't think anybody
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: but truly can believe in Daniel Jones. I don't think
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: anybody is truly ready to believe in Seattle or New England,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: you know, just because of the youth.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: And she just saw it with Donald to last year
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: where he put together a tremendous season and then when
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: it mattered most, he felt like he lost the last
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: game against Detroit, played awful, and then played even worse
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: against the ROMs in the playoffs.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: But City Buffalo this weekend too.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that Colts team is the best team in
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: the league.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: Like they're they're number one in DVA, they're number one
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: in e PA, They're number one and everything.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: But it's Daniel Jones.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: It's a roster that doesn't really feel like it's fully
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: like it's playing over it's it's a huge at one,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: you know, if.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 9: They can stay at one and get the bye and
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 9: have home field and not have to go outside and stuff,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: Like I'm.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: Trying to figure out what like their whole defense, Like, yeah,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: because they look active on defense, and I know the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: guys front. I love the guys up front, you know,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: like Buck Bunder and Stewart and those guys. My my
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: edge rusher that I just discovered in the draft and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: then realized he was like the top half of the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: first round picked a lot two kid. He looks like
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: he's pretty active. But I don't know how their secondary is.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: I don't know what anymore. Still they're playing, they're playing
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: well the defensively, I don't think they're going.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: To go away.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well Jonathan Taylor, I mean, and that's that beats
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: why the offense runs through Taylor, And I don't think
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: they were asking Jones to do what May's doing for
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: the Patriots.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: One of the weirdest coaching decisions in the NFL was
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: the Bengals firing lou Anarumo and then he's going to
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: Indie gets hired by the Colts as their defensive coordinator.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Now they have one of the best.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: Defenses in football and the Bengals have one of the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: worst defenses in football. So Big Lou shout out to him.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: He's got the Colts defense playing really really well. But
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: you know, back to the Patriots, Like another thing I
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: was thinking about, there's a real chance, you know, they
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: have that Assistant Coach of the Year award right now.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't has an assistant coach of the year.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: How do you figure that.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: Ben Johnson won it last year? And now there's a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: real chance that if everything keeps going this way, the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: Patriots are going to have a nominee for Coach of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: the Year, Assistant Coach of the Year, and m v P,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: which is just.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: The coordinators are considered assistant coaches.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you'd have Rabel McDaniels may all being nominated
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: and come back Player of the Year anyway, So like
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: that that tells you, you know, just those three guys
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: are really what's driving the bus. And the only other
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: play caller that has it over McDaniels right now is
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: Shane Stikeen. Like, if those two guys are the two
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: best play callers in football, just send the Patriots.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Send the team.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm with you, but not the content team.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Who would be right?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, you want to get to the phones.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to the I have a p U
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: debate that I'll set up that's time dance in New Jersey.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 16: Hey Dan, I'll be there Sunday. Looking forward to it.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 16: My first May game. I'm doing a little different. I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 16: haven't been there in a couple of years, but I'm
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 16: going to spend Sunday night up in Foxboro just wondering, like,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 16: what's the atmosphere like after the game? Obviously good when
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 16: you win, but as far as restaurant Patriots Place, what's
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 16: it like?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, it's happened after the game happen, is it? Yeah?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: I tell you.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: That's that's why I'm asking.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, if I make reservations for they usually don't
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: let you on game days. Oh really, Yeah, reservations are
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: tough to come by on game day. Okay, well maybe
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: one I think one place, but I don't want to
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: name it because I'm not sure, but one of the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: restaurants sometimes does on game days.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: But for the most part, it's.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: They just opened up a new place, a new restaurant
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: where Skip Jacks used to be. Oh really, it's like
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: ed Edna's or something like that, or Estella's or speakins
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: with an E.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: Okay, check that out.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: And I wish I had more information for you. None
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: of us have done that.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: You get a few pops.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: There's a bunch of places.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of restaurants in Patriot Place, and I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: would imagine you'd be able to get get aboute to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: eat in one of them after the game. But we're
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: all working.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: It is a stella stella.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: Pick up some ammo at bass Pro, you know, make
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 9: it a day fishing camotick at.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 16: Eleven Tommy cutlets hometown. So you'll be in the we'll
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 16: be in the building, all right. Of course he probably
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 16: will be uh not playing, but that's fine.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Hopefully not sounds good. So are you staying? Are you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: staying at one of the hotels here at Patriot Place?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: You stay in somewhere.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 16: Else fifteen minutes away?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Yeah, I would hang out, take your time,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: don't be in a rush to leave, and and have
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: a good time after the game.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: If you're going to do that and you're going to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: drive to the game, though, then you gotta go in
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: the delay lot. You're gonna stay anyways, you might as well.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: They'll pay you. Yeah, Hey, you you guy as.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: Well go to the Yeah, check out.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: The delayed lot. Go to j Lettstadium dot com and
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: check out the delayed lot.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: You can't leave now, you can't leave.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: You can't leave sooner than ninety minutes after the game.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: I think. But they'll pay you. I think they pay
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: you like they give you fifty dollars certificate or something
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: like that. I don't know.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: You won't receive your money.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: I forget, But okay, Dan, have a good time.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: But on your deathband you receive.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, total conconsciousness. Uh. Cody's in Cincinnati. What's up, Cody?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: Cody?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I'm going what up?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 21: I'm talking in about last week's discussion for the Commanders. Obviously,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 21: I'm in Cincinnati. Bangles made the Super Bowl in twenty
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 21: twenty one. I don't think any of the fans would
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 21: have traded that for anything. Obviously, it sucks they got
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 21: a later draft stick, but it did so much for
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 21: the city and the fans and uh boost and the
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 21: fan base. I just don't agree with going all the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 21: way and not winning for draft picks, that's all.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: But that's the Bengals, Cody.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: The Bengals are a much different example than the one.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: I'm with you, even though he's on my side.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: I like the Bengals went back to the AFC Championship.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: Advocates, they bought him out and back to back years.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: Got ye, that's like they kind of Evan's posted the
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: world like you get like, if we could just get
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: our quarterback out for the season, we might get a.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Tough extreme version the Patriots have done. And this is
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: where we jumped the shark with this whole thing, because
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: the Patriots did exactly what I would wanted them to do,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: because they played Drake May his rookie season. He got
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: his feet in the NFL. He showed flashes of promise,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: but they.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: Still stunk, and so they did exactly what the Bengals did, right.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: They got Borrowed at one and then Chase at five.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: The Patriots got May at three, and you're at the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: fourth pick the next year, right, Yeah. And it took
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: a tackle because they had to, But yeah, I mean,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: it would have been great if Jamar Chase was there again,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: if they had one of the receivers from the year before,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: maybe maybe the conversation would have been a little different.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: But now they have May, they have Campbell, they have
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: building blocks that they have moving forward, just like the
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: Bengals have burrow and chase the emails that.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of emails, tons of emails. Dan
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Whittaker has a public service announcement. This is Dan from
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: the Patriots Fan Club of Columbus, Ohio. This team is exciting, winning,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: his fun, and it's better with other fans. Fans should
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: go to fanclubs dot Patriots dot com and find their
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: local registered fan club. That's a good reminder. Go to
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: fanclubs dot Patriots dot com and look up in your
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: area where there's a Patriots fan club and join it
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: so that you can watch and celebrate the Patriots with
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: other fans in your area. Well, there you go.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: It's the best. It is the best.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Tampa is going to be a big big it is.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: And I'm told it is by far the most requested
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 6: a visitor for the Patriots tickets.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: I thought the stadium was good on Sunday. They thought
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: there was some some good moments. But I think we
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: could do better. I think this team's worth it. It's
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: team's fun to watch. It's not you know, it's not
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: Paul's thing. They don't win rock fights like they're they're
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: explosive offense. They're throwing the ball down the field, MVP quarterback.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: They play an exciting brand of offense. They do, and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: they throw it down the field. They let's make this.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: They get to the edges you know in the running
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: game they'll.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: Look at to make big plays.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: They do make big plays, and they do.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Longino from New Jersey, He says, you know what grinds
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: my gears. I see people talking online about how bad
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: the defense is and how they make these bad quarterbacks
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: look elite in the beginning of the game, but refuse
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: to talk about how they make it adjustments in the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: second half. No defense is perfect, especially in this league
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: where it's very offense oriented. Seeing what they did in Buffalo,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not expecting them to stop elite quarterbacks, but have
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: enough place to slow them down and give our offense
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: a chance. What are your thoughts about this? Are we
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: making too much about the rough early starts and not
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: enough about how they shut down teams afterwards.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: I think a lot has been made out of both
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: of those.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: You know, we have numbers now like DVOA that adjusts
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: for opponent, and when you look at it, they're twenty
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: eighth in the league right now on defense. In DVA
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: and there's only one other team in the league that's
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: that low that's also top ten in scoring defense, and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: that's the forty nine ers. So like, it's not typical
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: that you are that low in terms of your defense
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: efficiency but still are a top ten scoring defense and like,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: by the numbers of it, the damn should break eventually.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: And I think the difference that people are worried about
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: is when you face the better quarterbacks and the better offenses,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: like those are the ones that are gonna make the
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: damn break. And I think that that's the concern. I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: don't think it's about the starts. I think all that
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: is that this is who they are, Like they start slow,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: and then they make adjustments, and then they play good
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: defense from that point on. But what happens when you
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: face a quarterback that hits the throw to Isaiah Bond
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: and doesn't miss that throw and they make another big play.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: What happens when you play a quarterback that can go
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: four quarters with Drake May instead of two ish?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, Like I remember having a conversation last year,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 9: and I think I posed the question as like, are
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 9: there really any good defenses anymore? Like there's always a
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: couple and I think we're looking at like this defense
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 9: and you want to see perfect stats across the board.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 9: But the conversation I remember having last year wasn't even
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 9: about the Patriots, was just, you know, are you looking
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 9: to make a defense that can just make that one
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 9: or two key stops. And maybe they're you know, maybe
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 9: they do have some general statistical flaws going into the
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 9: game that they're not great stop in the run, or
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 9: they're not great on down, or they.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Don't you know.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 9: But like there's part of me that has like a
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 9: little bit of not confidence, but hope that they have
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 9: the pieces to kind of go. And yes, they will
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 9: give up some plays, but I'm have growing confidence that
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 9: they will make some plays too.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: See. I would just look at the way they've played
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 6: so far this year. The offense has been responsible for
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: the defense and stops until Sunday. I thought the defense
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: for the first game that I thought just me anecdotally.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: Don't have any numbers here, but the defense turned the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: tide of the game on Sunday. They're the ones that
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: went four straight, five straight possessions. I think they allowed
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: one first down forty five yards, four punts in a
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: missfield goal, and the missfield goal was after a turnover
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: that had him in field.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: That was a pick three. Yeah, that was a pick three.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: They had a turnover that put him in field goal
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: range and the Patriots shut it down.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: There.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: I thought the defense more than carried its weight and
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: particular game, but the whole Like, yeah, is there anybody
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: that's any good on defense anymore? I would argue and say,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: not many. I think, you know, I think there are
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: a couple, but not many. But it's all relative. You're
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 6: twenty eighth. No one else has a good defense either,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: but you're twenty eighth in this particular metric, you know.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: So you know, if you go like just strictly points scored,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: points allowed, your top five, right right?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that's the reason why you know,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: it stands out to me so much with DVA because
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: you know, all the other stats that we have don't
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: adjust for opponent. So like their fourth in scoring defense,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: there are eleven in EBA, but like all those things
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: are not opponent adjusted, And then when you throw the
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: strength to schedule in there, they go from fourth in
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: scoring defense to twenty eighth in DVOA and like, by
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: the math of it, that shouldn't last like some like that,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: that shouldn't be sustainable.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: It's probably going to get a short circuit. If it does,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: it's probably.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: Gonna right this regular season because they just don't play
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: enough of those teams. But it will, you know, will
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: it show itself against Buffalo the second right? You know, like,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 6: is Buffalo going to turn it over three more times
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: like they did the first time? What they do, You're
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: probably gonna win.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: Botched handoff or that's what I'm saying.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, a lot of people were confused on
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: the safety. I got a lot of emails. You know,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: I thought I thought you had a punt after a
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: safety and not. The rule is you get a free
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: kick freekick, so you can kick it any way you want.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Like I think you could even do a place kick
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: if you want it.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: I don't think you can kick it off the t
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: placekick you where you snap it and the Cleveland did no, Yeah,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: because they declared an on site kick. But if you
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: just do a straight kickoff, you can kick it off.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: It's so why did everybody punt it then?
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Because it's better for hangtime, hangtime and probably accuracy.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: It's better people punt off a free kick because it's
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 6: easier to cover a punt than.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: A kick, right right, I guess about it.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know people free kick all something new, but yeah,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 6: share a lot, but it's whatever you want.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a punt, not a place kick, it's
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: a free kick.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: So this is all new to me. I like, I've
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: never even put that, like, oh, it's a free kick,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: you can kick.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: I just hate the whole You got to declare that
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: you're doing an on side kick nonsense.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like the I don't like the on
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: side kick rule.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: I don't like Well, the only reason why it's that
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: way is because of the new kickoff rule. Like, I
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: don't think it's about safety. I think it's about the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: fact that from where they're kicking from now, Yeah.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: I hate that. I think you should be able to
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 6: on side kick anytime you want.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: Would they be able to do it?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I know the other topic you meet, the kickoff. We
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: talked about it on the post game show, but you
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: know we can bring it up here. First time in
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: twenty four years. The team was announced individually her Riginal Stadium.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: A lot of people were excited about it. I guess
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: the team wanted to do. It is that right players
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: were about.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 7: Give some players some recognition.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but I don't like it. I disagree with it.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 22: I like it.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: I like the idea of I like, you know, argue.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying like all traditions have to stay and
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: you can never change anything. But I thought this was
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: one tradition that I liked. I like that being part
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: of the Patriots identity. We come out as a team.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: And now I guess that's over.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: I think it's a breath of fresher.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: I think I think I have argued enough with friend
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: so very much. On the other side of that, we
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: got fifteen minutes. I got Patriots m VP not named
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: Drake may Give me some candidates, fine, Patriots m VP
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: not named Drake may.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: Well, Campbell, Ballaine, I don't know. I mean, it's nobody.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: I feel like.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: I'd say it's Milton Williams.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Find Diggs. Milton Williams, Yeah, probably.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 6: I like Milton Williams and Marcus Jones.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Points matter, scoring touchdowns.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 6: The reason why I brought this up is because there
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: was a poll. It does last year, I mean last week.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: Last night, I saw a poll on Twitter that had
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: three guys and Diggs was one of them, so I
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: guess I'll and I'd relent and I'd say Diggs belongs
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: he was one the other two. I was like, I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 6: don't really understand, like how Milton Williams is not on
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 6: this list and the guys they had were on it.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, who were the guys?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: Let me let me see if I can find it
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: for you, Hope, please.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 7: Like ten minutes to tee it up in our.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: I think so Stefan Diggs, Robert s. Blaine, and Kishan
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: Boody with the three guys on the list. I I
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: just don't know how Milton Williams and Marcus Jones aren't
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: on this list. Robert Splaine had three or four sort
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 6: of SOSO games. I think he was excellent Sunday, I
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: think one of his better games. I think he's playing
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: better as the weeks go by. But you don't just
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 6: ignore half of the games, you know, when you know,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 6: we were like four games into the season wondering if
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: the linebackers could make any tackles. Now he's making all
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: those tackles. So I'm not saying that that's persistent. He's
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 6: been good, but I'm talking about the best player on
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: the team not named Drake.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 7: I like Marcus Jones one, I like, I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Like really the best player on the team not named
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Drake may.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: I mean we thought it was going to be Gonzales,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: and he might eventually by the end of the year,
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  Speaker 2: but not yet.
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  Speaker 6: Just to go by you a strict definition thing, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you can make an argument for Gonzales. He missed three games.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: How they do in those three games?
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  Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, I want to that's true. I think I
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 23: think you're right on Marcus Jones. Marcus Johnses has been excellent.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 23: I think Barbour and Williams have been excellent. And it's
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 23: and it's some of the keys consistently good. I would
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 23: have had Harold Landry in consideration until that. Like I'm
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 23: talking to off camera, I wonder if whatever happened in
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 23: New Orleans is lingering because I think he's been less explosive. Yeah,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 23: I think I can hear Milton Willia and I would
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 23: make an argument for Diggs for as much of what
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 23: he's done off the field, off.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: The field, but also the cat when he makes his catches.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: He's been terrific on the field.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that, but I think he has been
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: a big part of that maturity of that group.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Give it to Diggs.
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  Speaker 4: I think not only off the field, but if you
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: take that jinga piece out of their offense and now
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: there's extra attention on Booty, there's extra attention on the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: tight ends, there's extra attention on Hollins, like he we
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: talk so much about the domino effect of having that
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: number one receiver and even if he doesn't have the
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: production every single week, like just his presence every single
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: time a team comes in to play the Patriots, the
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: first guy besides Drake May that they talk about is
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're saying Diggs is the number one. This, you know,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: Booty is kind.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Of the fact that we're having this talk and like
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: we're mentioning all these different names on both sides of
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: the ball. Does that kind of protect us from injury?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: Oh, that's where you're going. I had the same set up.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: I only was going to say it just makes me
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 9: seem it makes Drake look more valuable. That you can
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: have all these different guys that you're kind of lukewarm on.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: But like my definition of the m VP is the
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 9: guy who like kind of carries his team, so I
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 9: was different. You set it up the same way. Sorry
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 9: for I mean to get there, but but.
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  Speaker 2: Your point is it makes look better. Absolutely it does.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: I think this is you don't have great players.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: Why Alan won m VP over Lamar last year. This
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: was absolutely this is the argument was that Lamar had
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: a better supporting cast. Yeah, Derrick Henry and you know
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen was making Khalil Shakir and rookie Keon Coleman,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: and you know Dalton Kincaid look like the Pro Bowlers
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: and and those guys.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a big part of it.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: I think the injury thing is just you know, that
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: part of it makes me even more excited about the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: team because, like I think the roster is far from
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: done and they're still six and two. Yeah, so like
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: if you go into this and you know, not to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: like fast forward, but like if they have one more
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: really good offseason next year and another good draft class,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: like you're talking about being your like a Detroit Lions
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: type of thing, where like now the team is really
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: really good and sustainably good.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: Can I ask you guys a question.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 9: This is where my brain's starting to go, is you
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 9: know what is the biggest obstacle for the Patriots getting
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 9: into in the playoffs, making some noise in the playoffs,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 9: and can they make any attempt to pre you know,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 9: solve that at the trade deadline, Like what's what's going
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 9: to prevent that?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know if.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: A couple of playoffs.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: You know, there's a reason why I think people have
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: been putting out. They're looking to help the defense because
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 6: I do feel if they played a good offense and
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: now you're in a shootout, because I know how well
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: makes play. Most of these games, they're in the low twenties,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: and I know they're ending up thirty two, but I'm
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: taking away nine points, like without you know the safety
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: and you know you run an interception back inside the five.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: Can they in those kinds again?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: Again, We're looking at this in a whole different thing, right,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: like this is no longer like, well, geez, what are
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: you nitpicking the wins board. I'm not nitpicking. I'm wondering
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: can they win a shootout? They haven't really had to
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: because the other teams don't have any offense. You played
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: the thirty second and thirty first ranked offense and back
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: to back weeks. Now you played another terrible offense this week,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: But there's a difference on this one.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: They shouldn't.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: They shouldn't have one of the worst offenses in football.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 6: They have individual talent that the other teams don't.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: We talk about the Falcons.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Jean Robinson's a really, really good running back. Yeah,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: Drake London is a really good wide receiver. Now they
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: don't have a lot of weapons. Kyle Pitts.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 7: That's the three. That's the three.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think Darnell Mooney Moody as a fourth
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: option in an offense. I think Darnell Mooney is a
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: really good player for whatever reason.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: I think they're twenty eighth in offense.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, their offense is you know, I don't usually
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: like to say this, but like it points to coaching
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta, right, Like their team is way too talented
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: for them to be three and four in this Jacqueline Hyde.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: Like offensively, they if you gave you know, Josh McDaniels,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: Bjon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts, and Darnell Mooney, they'd
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: be a top ten offense in football. Like that's just
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: there's something disconnected there between, Like you can't lose to
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: that Miami team by thirty or Carolina thirty to nothing
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: like And it doesn't matter if it's Pennix or Cousins.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 6: Like I mean, this is like it. And I know
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: everybody's like, oh, they don't. They don't play any better
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: home than they do on the road. They're just they
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 6: can play a great game at home against Buffalo, they
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: can play a great game on the road against someone else.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: They play a terrible game at home against Miami. Like,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: I don't have good has anything to do with where
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 6: they play. Their defense is better than you people think too.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Chris wants to know what happened on Mapu's only snap?
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Was it an illegal pick? He didn't play again on defense?
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: What did he do wrong? Was he injured?
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: It was not an illegal pick, but he got caught
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: in the wall?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: H yeah, it was it just a class to cross
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: or again and ruber out against man coverage. And I
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: think that this is one of the things you know,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: to douce his question about the trade deadline, that they
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: really don't have anybody to cover the tight end. And
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: that's why this week, as much as I don't think
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Kyle Pitts has lived up to the pick that he
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: was drafted at. I think he's a talented player that
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: you know, when you're man to man against him, like,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: he can make you.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: Pay in a matchup.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: He's got the talent, And I just I don't know
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: if I was one spot that I would really want
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: them to upgrade on this team. You know, call it
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: a linebacker, call it a safety, call whatever you want,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: but somebody that allows them to play better man coverage
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: against tight end, so that they can play man to
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: man at more of a higher rate than what they're playing.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: Because they have three good man coverage players and Davis
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: Gonzo and Marcus Jones, it's the fourth and fifth eligible
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: receiver that's given them problems, which is usually they're running
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: back in the tight end.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: So how do you fix that?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 9: You notice thinking, I don't know if you agree with me,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 9: but watching this defensive scheme, I feel like if they
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 9: found a really special safety, that that guy could absolutely
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 9: be the centerpiece of defense, you know, Like it just
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 9: seems this scheme is so set up for a safety
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 9: who can do it all and rush the quarterback and
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 9: play the center. Like I mean, I'd read obviously as
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 9: a unicorn, but I don't know if they'll find that
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 9: kind of guy. But it just seems like this system
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 9: would really thrive if you could find one of those
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 9: really elite safeties that can do it all.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, well they had buyered in Tennessee and he did,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: you know, so he had great years with Rabel and Tennessee.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: But you know, the Titans, I guess are open for business.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: It sounds like besides cam Ward and Jeffrey Simmons, and
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: I'll keep pounding the table. Get Amani Hooker on the Patriots,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: like find a you know, a way to get him here.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: I think that that would be a big help to
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: their safetym It's nothing against Hawkins and Woodson. I thought
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: Hawkins played well in this game, actually, but they need
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: somebody that allows them to play man go a week
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: from today.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the deadline is the fourth.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 9: Jalen Phillips, is this like those kind of guys interest
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 9: edge guys? I mean it makes sense to me.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: I would take an edge guy, and I know what
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: you guys are saying, just because I think that there's
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: a potential for availability.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah Hendrickson, Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean I think if you could, if you
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: could get a hat could just just win. That could
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: just win a one on one and just create pressure
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: on the passive so huge. The whole thing about well,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: the front four is kind of inconsistent with the pressure.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: It's so much from the middle with Williams and Barb Wore.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: They win theirs with the bull rushes and whatnot. But
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: you get an athletic.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Because you're real.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 7: You need that consistent fresh pass rush rotation going.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they are playing the clean up. They're playing
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: those two guys a lot, Chase On and Landry. So
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: if you could find a third guy that you can
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: rely on, even if it's not Trey Hendrickson, even if
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: it's just someone that is a reliable player kind of
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: in the same ilk as Landry and Chase On, that
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: could just take some of the pressure off. Because they
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: let Anthony Jennings play a little bit in this game
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: and he was okay, And I.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 7: Was thinking of about that a little bit.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 9: Like to me, I could see Jennings getting traded just
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 9: because at least he has a thing like with key
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 9: On White, I don't I don't know what.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 7: His thing is.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 9: He's not different defenses, but you know, with somebody, are
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 9: people going to trade for that, Like, is any team
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 9: going to look at him and be like, oh, he's
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 9: the perfect fit for a defense.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: Like if you're a team that has like big run
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: stuffing defensive tackles and you need a third down into
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: your pass rusher where he's only going to play over
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: the guard in passing situations, then I could see Kean
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: White having a role. He just with Williams and Barmore,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: that role doesn't exist here. So right now he's like
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: a backup to Milton Williams. Is essentially his role on
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: this team. So when Milton Williams is healthy, there's no
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: snaps for him. So that's why he's inactive. But if
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: you're a team like that that has you know, big
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: run stuffers that play first and second.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: Down, but you need to Yeah, you need to change up,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: all right, that's gonna be it got things to do.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 6: Oh why do you always short change?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: We have Wednesday and we have Thursday, and we have
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Correct, i's barth doing.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: I always like to do a wellness check on him.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: He's doing good, Yeah, doing great. Changed up his Sunday
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: schedule a little bit, so he was very you know.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: He's always a take guy. What's his? What's his? This
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: week's take for him?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow find out Takeaway.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: Is not happy with the fifteen yard punt by Barringer.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that made him out right. This was one
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: of the rare games that we didn't talk a ton
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: after the game, so we didn't have our debriefs.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, he didn't meet up.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: No, No, he had to do the the sports Hub podcast. Yeah, right,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: he had to do the Sports Hub podcast. So that
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: was he had to run out on Sunday, so we didn't. Usually,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: you know, we try to time it up and sometimes
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: we walked to our cars together.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: We do by the Brady statue and have a little
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 7: you know, just we could do that too.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 6: It's Mike and I. We have our little debrief walking.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: It's a post game show debrief usually shivering.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: You guys do the debrief on the post game show.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: Then you debrief for real because you tell your real feelings.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: They've been one and the same with these games.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being here today. We'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:57:16
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• 1:57:18
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