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DJT Audio Archive: Presidential Debate vs Hillary Clinton - Round 3 - Las Vegas, Nevada (October 19, 2016) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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Good evening from the Thomas and Mack Center
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at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. I'm Chris
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Wallace of Fox News, and I welcome you to the
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third and final of the 2016 presidential debates
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between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and
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Donald J. Trump. This debate is sponsored by
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the Commission on Presidential Debates. The Commission
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has designed the format, six roughly 15 -minute
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segments with two -minute answers to the first
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question. then open discussion for the rest of
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each segment. Both campaigns have agreed to those
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rules. For the record, I decided the topics and
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the questions in each topic. None of those questions
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has been shared with the commission or the two
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candidates. The audience here in the hall has
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promised to remain silent. No cheers, boos, or
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other interruptions so we and you can focus on
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what the candidates have to say. No noise except
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right now. as we welcome the Democratic nominee
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for president, Secretary Clinton, and the Republican
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nominee for president, Mr. Trump. Secretary Clinton,
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Mr. Trump, welcome. Let's get right to it. The
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first topic is the Supreme Court. You both talked
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briefly about the court in the last debate, but
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I want to drill down on this because the next
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president will almost certainly have at least
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one appointment and likely or possibly two or
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three appointments, which means that you... will,
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in effect, determine the balance of the court
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for what could be the next quarter century. First
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of all, where do you want to see the court take
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the country? And secondly, what's your view on
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how the Constitution should be interpreted? Do
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the founders' words mean what they say, or is
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it a living document to be applied flexibly according
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to changing circumstances? in this segment secretary
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clinton you go first you have two minutes thank
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you very much chris and thanks to unlv for hosting
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us you know i think when we talk about the supreme
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court it really raises the central issue in this
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election namely what kind of country are we going
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to be what kind of opportunities will we provide
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for our citizens what kind of rights will americans
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have and i feel strongly that the supreme court
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needs to stand on the side of the American people,
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not on the side of the powerful corporations
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and the wealthy. For me, that means that we need
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a Supreme Court that will stand up on behalf
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of women's rights, on behalf of the rights of
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the LGBT community, that will stand up and say
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no to Citizens United, a decision that has undermined
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the election system in our country because of
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the way it permits dark, unaccountable money
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to come into our electoral system. I have major
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disagreements with my opponent about these issues
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and others that will be before the Supreme Court.
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But I feel that at this point in our country's
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history, it is important that we not reverse
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marriage equality, that we not reverse Roe v.
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Wade. that we stand up against Citizens United,
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we stand up for the rights of people in the workplace,
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that we stand up and basically say the Supreme
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Court should represent all of us. That's how
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I see the court and the kind of people that I
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would be looking to nominate to the court would
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be in the great tradition of standing up to the
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powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights
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as Americans. and i look forward to having that
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opportunity i would hope that the senate would
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do its job and confirm the nominee that president
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obama has sent to them that's the way the constitution
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fundamentally should operate the president nominates
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and then the senate advises and consents or not
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but they go forward with the process secretary
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clinton thank you mr trump same question where
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do you want to see the court take the country
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and how do you believe the constitution should
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be interpreted? Well, first of all, it's great
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to be with you, and thank you, everybody. The
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Supreme Court, it's what it's all about. Our
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country is just so imperative that we have the
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right justices. Something happened recently where
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Justice Ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate
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statements toward me and toward a tremendous
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number of people, many, many millions of people
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that I represent. And she was forced to apologize,
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and apologize she did. But these were statements
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that should never, ever have been made. We need
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a Supreme Court that, in my opinion, is going
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to uphold the Second Amendment and all amendments,
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but the Second Amendment, which is under absolute
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siege. I believe if my opponent should win this
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race, which I truly don't think will happen,
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we will have a Second Amendment, which will be
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a very, very small replica of what it is right
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now. But I feel that it's absolutely important
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that we uphold because of the fact that it is
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under such trauma. I feel that the justices that
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I am going to appoint, and I've named 20 of them,
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the justices that I'm going to appoint will be
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pro -life. They will have a conservative bent.
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They will be protecting the Second Amendment.
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They are great scholars in all cases, and they're
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people of tremendous respect. They will interpret
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the Constitution the way the founders wanted
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it interpreted. And I believe that's very, very
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important. I don't think we should have justices
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appointed that decide what they want to hear.
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It's all about the Constitution of, and so important,
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the Constitution the way it was meant to be.
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And those are the people that I will appoint.
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Mr. Trump, thank you. We now have about 10 minutes
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for an open discussion. I want to focus on two
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issues that, in fact, by the justices that you
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name, could end up changing the existing law
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of the land. First is one that you mentioned,
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Mr. Trump, and that is guns. Secretary Clinton,
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you said last year, and let me quote, the Supreme
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Court is wrong on the Second Amendment. And now,
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in fact, in the 2008 Heller case, The court ruled
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that there is a constitutional right to bear
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arms, but a right that is reasonably limited.
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Those were the words of the judge, Antonin Scalia,
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who wrote the decision. What's wrong with that?
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Well, first of all, I support the Second Amendment.
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I lived in Arkansas for 18 wonderful years. I
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represented upstate New York. I understand and
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respect the tradition of gun ownership. It goes
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back to the founding of our country. But I also
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believe that there can be and must be reasonable
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regulation. Because I support the Second Amendment
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doesn't mean that I want people who shouldn't
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have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you
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or members of your family. And so when I think
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about what we need to do, we have 33 ,000 people
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a year who die from guns. I think we need comprehensive
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background checks. need to close the online loophole,
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close the gun show loophole. There's other matters
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that I think are sensible that are the kind of
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reforms that would make a difference that are
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not in any way conflicting with the Second Amendment.
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You mentioned the Heller decision and what I
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was saying that you referenced, Chris, was that
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I disagreed with the way the court applied the
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Second Amendment in that case because What the
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District of Columbia was trying to do was to
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protect toddlers from guns, and so they wanted
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people with guns to safely store them. And the
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court didn't accept that reasonable regulation,
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but they've accepted many others. So I see no
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conflict between saving people's lives and defending
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the Second Amendment. Let me bring Mr. Trump
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in here. The bipartisan open debate coalition
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got millions of votes on questions to ask here,
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and this... was, in fact, one of the top questions
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that they got. How will you ensure the Second
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Amendment is protected? You just heard Secretary
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Clinton's answer. Does she persuade you that
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while you may disagree on regulation, that, in
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fact, she supports a Second Amendment right to
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bear arms? Well, the D .C. v. Heller decision
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was very strongly, and she was extremely angry
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about it. I watched. I mean, she was very, very
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angry when upheld. And Justice Scalia was...
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so involved, and it was a well -crafted decision.
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But Hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry,
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and people that believe in the Second Amendment
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and believe in it very strongly were very upset
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with what she had to say. Well, let me bring
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in Secretary Clinton. Were you extremely upset?
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Well, I was upset because, unfortunately, dozens
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of toddlers injure themselves, even kill people
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with guns because, unfortunately, not everyone
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who... has loaded guns in their homes, takes
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appropriate precautions. But there's no doubt
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that I respect the Second Amendment, that I also
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believe there's an individual right to bear arms.
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That is not in conflict with sensible common
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sense regulation. And, you know, look, I understand
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that Donald's been strongly supported by the
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NRA. The gun lobby is on his side. They're running
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millions of dollars of ads against me. And I
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regret that because what I would like to see.
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is for people to come together and say, of course
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we're going to protect and defend the Second
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Amendment, but we're going to do it in a way
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that tries to save some of these 33 ,000 lives
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that we lose every year. Let me bring Mr. Trump
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back into that because, in fact, you oppose any
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limits on assault weapons, any limits on high
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-capacity magazines. You support a national right
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-to -carry law. Why, sir? well let me just tell
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you before we go any further in chicago which
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has the toughest gun laws in the united states
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probably you could say by far they have more
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gun violence than any other city so we have the
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toughest laws and you have tremendous gun violence
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i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment
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and i am i don't know if hillary was saying it
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in a sarcastic manner but i'm very proud to have
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the endorsement of the nra and it's the earliest
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endorsement they've ever given to anybody who
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ran for president. So I'm very honored by all
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of that. We are going to appoint justices. This
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is the best way to help the Second Amendment.
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We are going to appoint justices that will feel
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very strongly about the Second Amendment, that
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will not do damage to the Second Amendment. Well,
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let's pick up on another issue which divides
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you and the justices that whoever ends up winning
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this election appoints. could have a dramatic
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effect there, and that's the issue of abortion.
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Mr. Trump, you're pro -life, but I want to ask
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you specifically, do you want the court, including
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the justices that you will name, to overturn
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Roe v. Wade, which includes, in fact states,
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a woman's right to abortion? Well, if that would
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happen, because I am pro -life and I will be
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appointing pro -life judges, I would think that
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that will go back to the individual states. But
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I'm asking you specifically, would you like to...
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If they overturned it, it'll go back to the states.
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But what I'm asking you, sir, is, do you want
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to see the court overturn? You just said you
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want to see the court protect the Second Amendment.
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Do you want to see the court overturn? Well,
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if we put another two or perhaps three justices
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on, that's really what's going to be... That
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will happen. And that'll happen automatically,
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in my opinion, because I am putting pro -life
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injustices on the court. I will say this. It
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will go back to the states. and the states will
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then make a determination secretary well i i
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strongly support roe v wade which guarantees
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a constitutional right to a woman to make the
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most intimate most difficult in many cases decisions
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about her health care that one can imagine and
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in this case it's not only about roe v wade it
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is about what's happening right now in america
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so many states are putting very stringent regulations
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on women that block them from exercising that
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choice to the extent that they are defunding
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Planned Parenthood, which of course provides
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all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits
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for women in our country. Donald has said he's
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in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood. He
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even supported shutting the government down to
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defund Planned Parenthood. I will defend Planned
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Parenthood. I will defend Roe v. Wade, and I
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will defend women's rights to make their own
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health care decisions. And we have come too far
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to have that turn back now. And indeed, he said
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women should be punished, that there should be
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some form of punishment. for women who obtain
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abortions, and I could just not be more opposed
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to that kind of thinking. I'm going to give you
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a chance to respond, but I want to ask you, Secretary
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Clinton, I want to explore how far you believe
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the right to abortion goes. You have been quoted
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as saying that the fetus has no constitutional
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rights. You also voted against a ban on late
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-term partial birth abortions. Why? Because Roe
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v. Wade very clearly sets out. that there can
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be regulations on abortion so long as the life
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and the health of the mother are taken into account.
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And when I voted as a senator, I did not think
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that that was the case. The kinds of cases that
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fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most
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heartbreaking, painful decisions for families
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to make. I have met with women who, toward the
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end of their pregnancy, get the worst news one
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could get, that their health is in jeopardy if
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they continue to carry to term or that something
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terrible has happened or just been discovered
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about the pregnancy. I do not think the United
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States government should be stepping in and making
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those most personal of decisions. So you can
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regulate if you are doing so. with the life and
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the health of the mother taken into account mr
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trump your reaction and particularly on this
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issue of late -term partial birth well i think
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it's terrible if you go with what hillary is
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saying in the ninth month you can take the baby
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and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother
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just prior to the birth of the baby now you can
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say that that's okay and hillary can say that
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that's okay but it's not okay with me Because
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based on what she's saying and based on where
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she's going and where she's been, you can take
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the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in
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the ninth month on the final day. And that's
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not acceptable. Well, that is not what happens
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in these cases. And using that kind of scare
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rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should
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meet with some of the women that I've met with,
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women I've known over the course of my life.
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This is one of the worst. possible choices that
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any woman and her family has to make. And I do
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not believe the government should be making it.
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You know, I've had the great honor of traveling
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across the world on behalf of our country. I've
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been to countries where governments either forced
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women to have abortions like they used to do
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in China or forced women to bear children like
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they used to do in Romania. And I can tell you
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the government has no business. in the decisions
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that women make with their families in accordance
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with their faith, with medical advice. And I
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will stand up for that right. All right. Just
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briefly, I want to move on to another segment.
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And honestly, nobody has business doing what
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I just said, doing that as late as one or two
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or three or four days prior to birth. Nobody
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has that. All right. Let's move on. to the subject
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of immigration. And there is almost no issue
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that separates the two of you more than the issue
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of immigration. Actually, there are a lot of
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issues that separate the two of you. Mr. Trump,
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you want to build a wall. Secretary Clinton,
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you have offered no specific plan for how you
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want to secure our southern border. Mr. Trump,
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you are calling for major deportations. Secretary
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Clinton, you say that within your first 100 days
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as president, you're going to offer a package
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that includes a pathway to citizenship. The question
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really is, why are you right and your opponent
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wrong? Mr. Trump, you go first in this segment.
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You have two minutes. Well, first of all, she
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wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster and
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very unfair to all of the people that are waiting
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in line for many, many years. We need strong
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borders. In the audience tonight, we have four
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mothers of... I mean, these are unbelievable
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people that I've gotten to know over a period
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of years whose children have been killed, brutally
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killed by people that came into the country illegally.
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You have thousands of mothers and fathers and
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relatives all over the country. They're coming
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in illegally. Drugs are pouring in through the
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border. We have no country if we have no border.
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Hillary wants to give amnesty. She wants to have
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open borders. The border secure, as you know,
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the Border Patrol agent, 16 ,500 plus ICE last
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week. endorsed me first time they've ever endorsed
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a candidate it means their job is tougher but
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they know what's going on they know it better
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than anybody they want strong borders they feel
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we have to have strong borders i was up in new
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hampshire the other day the biggest complaint
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they have it's with all of the problems going
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on in the world many of the problems caused by
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hillary clinton and by barack obama All of the
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problems, their single biggest problem is heroin
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that pours across our southern borders, just
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pouring and destroying their youth. It's poisoning
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the blood of their youth and plenty of other
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people. We have to have strong borders. We have
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to keep the drugs out of our country. Right now,
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we're getting the drugs. They're getting the
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cash. We need strong borders. We need absolute.
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We cannot give amnesty. Now, I want to build
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the wall. We need the wall. The Border Patrol.
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ice. They all want the wall. We stop the drugs.
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We shore up the border. One of my first acts
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will be to get all of the drug lords, all of
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the bad ones. We have some bad, bad people in
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this country that have to go out. We're going
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to get them out. We're going to secure the border.
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And once the border is secured at a later date,
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we'll make a determination as to the rest. But
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we have some bad hombres here and we're going
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to get them out. Mr. Trump, thank you. same question
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to you secretary clinton basically why are you
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right mr trump is wrong well as he was talking
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i was thinking about a young girl i met here
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in las vegas carla who was very worried that
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her parents might be deported because she was
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born in this country but they were not they work
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hard they do everything they can to give her
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a good life and you're right i don't want to
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rip families apart i don't want to be sending
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parents away from children I don't want to see
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the deportation force that Donald has talked
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about in action in our country. We have 11 million
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undocumented people. They have 4 million American
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citizen children, 15 million people. He said
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as recently as a few weeks ago in Phoenix that
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every undocumented person would be subject to
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deportation. Now, here's what that means. It
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means you would have to have a massive law enforcement
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presence where law enforcement officers would
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be going school to school, home to home, business
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to business, rounding up people who are undocumented.
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And we would then have to put them on trains,
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on buses to get them out of our country. I think
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that is an idea that is not in keeping with who
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we are as a nation. I think it's an idea that
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would rip our country apart. I have been for
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border security for years. I voted for border
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security in the United States Senate. And my
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comprehensive immigration reform plan, of course,
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includes border security. But I want to put our
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resources where I think they're most needed,
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getting rid of any violent person, anybody who
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should be deported, we should deport them. when
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it comes to the wall that donald talks about
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building he went to mexico we had a meeting with
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the mexican president didn't even raise it he
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choked and then got into a twitter war because
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the mexican president said we're not paying for
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that wall so i think we are both a nation of
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immigrants and we are a nation of laws and that
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we can act accordingly and that's why i'm introducing
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comprehensive immigration reform within the first
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hundred days with a path to citizenship. Thank
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you, Secretary Clinton. I want to follow up.
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I think I should respond to that. First of all,
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I had a very good meeting with the president
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of Mexico. Very nice man. We will be doing very
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much better with Mexico on trade deals, believe
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me. The NAFTA deal signed by her husband is one
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of the worst deals ever made of any kind, signed
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by anybody. It's a disaster. Hillary Clinton
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wanted the wall. Hillary Clinton fought for the
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wall in 2006 or thereabouts. Now, she never gets
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anything done, so naturally the wall wasn't built.
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But Hillary Clinton wanted the wall. We are a
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country of laws. And by the way, I'd like to
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hear from Secretary Clinton. I voted for border
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security, and there are some limited places where
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that was appropriate. There also is necessarily
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going to be new technology and how best to deploy
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that. it is clear when you look at what donald
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has been proposing he started his campaign bashing
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immigrants calling mexican immigrants rapists
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and criminals and drug dealers that he has a
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very different view about what we should do to
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deal with immigrants now what i am also arguing
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is that bringing undocumented immigrants out
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from the shadows putting them into the formal
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economy will be good because then employers can't
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exploit them and undercut Americans' wages. And
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Donald knows a lot about this. He used undocumented
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labor to build the Trump Tower. He underpaid
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undocumented workers. And when they complained,
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he basically said what a lot of employers do.
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You complain, I'll get you deported. I want to
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get everybody out of the shadows, get the economy
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working, and not let employers like Donald exploit
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undocumented workers, which hurts them, but also
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hurts American workers. President Obama has moved
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millions of people out. Nobody knows about it.
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Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions
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of people have been moved out of this country.
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They've been deported. She doesn't want to say
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that, but that's what's happened. And that's
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what's happened, big league. As far as moving
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these people out and moving, we either have a
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country or we don't. We're a country of laws.
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We either have a border or we don't. Now, you
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can come back in and you can become a citizen,
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but it's very unfair. We have millions of people.
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that did it the right way. They're on line. They're
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waiting. We're going to speed up the process,
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big league, because it's very inefficient. but
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they're online and they're waiting to become
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citizens. Very unfair that somebody runs across
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the border, becomes a citizen. Under her plan,
23:56
you have open borders, you would have a disaster
23:58
on trade, and you will have a disaster with your
24:00
open borders. But what she doesn't say is that
24:03
President Obama has deported millions and millions
24:06
of people just the way it is. We will not have
24:11
open borders. That is a rank mischaracterization.
24:14
We will have secure borders, but we will also...
24:18
have reform and this used to be a bipartisan
24:21
issue. Ronald Reagan was the last president to
24:24
sign immigration reform and George W Bush supported
24:27
it as well. Secretary Clinton I want to clear
24:30
up your position on this issue because in a speech
24:33
you gave to a Brazilian bank for which you were
24:35
paid two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
24:37
we've learned from the WikiLeaks that you said
24:40
this and I want to quote my dream is a hemispheric
24:43
common market with open trade and open borders
24:46
so That's the question. That's the question.
24:51
Please quiet, everybody. Is that your dream,
24:53
open borders? Well, if you went on to read the
24:56
rest of the sentence, I was talking about energy.
24:59
We trade more energy with our neighbors than
25:03
we trade with the rest of the world combined.
25:05
And I do want us to have an electric grid, an
25:09
energy system that crosses borders. I think that
25:12
would be a great benefit to us. You are very
25:16
clearly quoting from WikiLeaks, and what's really
25:19
important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian
25:22
government has engaged in espionage against Americans.
25:28
They have hacked American websites, American
25:32
accounts of private people, of institutions.
25:35
Then they have given that information to WikiLeaks
25:40
for the purpose of putting it on the Internet.
25:43
This has come from the highest levels of the
25:45
Russian government, clearly from Putin himself,
25:47
in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies
25:51
have confirmed, to influence our election. So
25:55
I actually think the most important question
25:57
of this evening, Chris, is finally will Donald
26:01
Trump admit and condemn that the Russians are
26:04
doing this and make it clear that he will not...
26:09
have the help of Putin in this election, that
26:13
he rejects Russian espionage against Americans,
26:17
which he actually encouraged in the past. Those
26:20
are the questions we need answered. We've never
26:22
had anything like this happen in any of our elections
26:24
before. That was a great pivot off the fact that
26:27
she wants open borders, okay? How did we get
26:30
up to Putin? Hold on. Hold on. Wait. Hold on,
26:34
folks, because this is going to end up getting
26:36
out of control. Let's try to keep it quiet. For
26:39
the candidates and for the American people. So
26:41
just to finish on the borders. Yes. She wants
26:43
open borders. People are going to pour into our
26:46
country. People are going to come in from Syria.
26:48
She wants 550 % more people than Barack Obama.
26:53
And he has thousands and thousands of people.
26:55
They have no idea where they come from. And you
26:57
see, we are going to stop radical Islamic terrorism
27:01
in this country. She won't even mention the words
27:04
and neither will President Obama. So I just want
27:07
to tell you. She wants open borders. Now we can
27:09
talk about Putin. I don't know Putin. He said
27:12
nice things about me. If we got along well, that
27:14
would be good. If Russia and the United States
27:17
got along well and went after ISIS, that would
27:20
be good. He has no respect for her. He has no
27:24
respect for our president. And I'll tell you
27:26
what, we're in very serious trouble because we
27:28
have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear
27:32
warheads, 1 ,800, by the way, where they expanded
27:36
and we didn't. 1800 nuclear warheads and she's
27:40
playing chicken look from everything i see has
27:45
no respect for this person well that's because
27:49
he'd rather have a puppet as president of the
27:51
united states it's pretty clear it's pretty clear
27:55
you won't admit that the russians have engaged
27:58
in cyber attacks against the united states of
28:00
america that you encouraged espionage against
28:05
our people that you are willing to spout the
28:09
Putin line sign up for his wish list break up
28:13
NATO do whatever he wants to do and that you
28:16
continue to get help from him because he has
28:21
a very clear favorite in this race so I think
28:25
that this is such an unprecedented situation
28:28
we've never had a foreign government trying to
28:31
interfere in our election we have 17 17 intelligence
28:35
agencies civilian and military who have all concluded
28:40
that these espionage attacks these cyber attacks
28:44
come from the highest levels of the kremlin and
28:47
they are designed to influence our election I
28:50
find that deeply disturbing. And I think it's
28:53
time that you take a stand. She has no idea whether
28:55
it's Russia, China, or anybody else. I am not
28:58
quoting myself. She has no idea. I am quoting
28:59
17. You have no idea. 17 intelligence. Do you
29:02
doubt 17 military and civilian agencies? Well,
29:07
he'd rather believe Vladimir Putin than the military
29:11
and civilian intelligence professionals who are
29:14
sworn to protect us. I find that just absolutely.
29:17
She doesn't like Putin because Putin. Putin has
29:20
outsmarted her at every step of the way. Excuse
29:23
me. Putin has outsmarted her in Syria. He's outsmarted
29:28
her at every step of the way. I do get to ask
29:30
some questions. Yes. And I would like to ask
29:33
you this direct question. The top national security
29:36
officials of this country do believe that Russia
29:38
has been behind these hacks. Even if you don't
29:42
know for sure whether they are, do you condemn?
29:45
any interference by russia in the american election
29:48
by russia or anybody else you condemn their interference
29:51
of course i condemn of course i can i don't know
29:54
putin i have no idea i never met putin this is
29:57
not my best friend but if the united states got
30:00
along with russia wouldn't be so bad let me tell
30:03
you putin has outsmarted her and obama at every
30:06
single step of the way whether it's syria no
30:09
you name it missiles take a look at the startup
30:13
that they signed The Russians have said, according
30:16
to many, many reports, I can't believe they allowed
30:20
us to do this. They create warheads, and we can't.
30:23
The Russians can't believe it. She has been outsmarted
30:26
by Putin, and all you have to do is look at the
30:28
Middle East. They've taken over. We've spent
30:30
$6 trillion. They've taken over the Middle East.
30:33
She has been outsmarted. and outplayed worse
30:37
than anybody i've ever seen in any government
30:39
whatsoever we're a long way away from their immigration
30:42
but i'm gonna let you finish this topic you got
30:45
about 45 seconds yeah and she always will be
30:48
i i find it ironic that he's raising nuclear
30:51
uh weapons this is a person who has been very
30:55
cavalier even casual about the use of nuclear
30:58
weapons he's advocated more countries getting
31:01
them japan korea even saudi arabia he said well
31:05
if we have them why don't we use them which i
31:07
think is terrifying but here's the deal the bottom
31:10
line on nuclear weapons is that when the president
31:13
gives the order it must be followed there's about
31:18
four minutes between the order being given and
31:21
the people responsible for launching nuclear
31:24
weapons to do so and that's why 10 people who
31:28
have had that awesome responsibility have come
31:30
out and in an unprecedented way said they would
31:33
not trust Donald Trump with the nuclear codes
31:36
or to have his finger on the nuclear button.
31:39
I have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing
31:44
me, 21 Congressional Medal of Honor recipients.
31:47
As far as Japan and other countries, we are being
31:52
ripped off by everybody in the world. We're defending
31:55
other countries. We are spending a fortune doing
31:57
it. They have the bargain of the century. All
32:00
I said is we have to renegotiate these agreements
32:03
because our country cannot afford to defend Saudi
32:06
Arabia, Japan, Germany, South Korea, and many
32:09
other places. We cannot continue to afford. She
32:12
took that as saying nuclear weapons. Look, she's
32:16
been proven to be a liar on so many different
32:18
ways. This is just another lie. Well, I'm just
32:22
quoting you. There's no quote. You're not going
32:25
to find a quote from me. competition in asia
32:31
you said you know go ahead enjoy yourselves folks
32:34
that kind and defend yourselves well and defend
32:39
yourselves i didn't say nuclear and defend yourself
32:41
the united states has kept the peace through
32:44
our alliances donald wants to tear up our alliances
32:48
i think it makes the world safer and frankly
32:51
it makes the united states safer i would work
32:53
with our allies in asia in europe in the middle
32:56
east and elsewhere That's the only way we're
32:59
going to be able to keep the peace. We are going
33:00
to move on to the next topic, which is the economy.
33:04
And I hope we handled that as well as we did
33:06
immigration. You also have very different ideas
33:11
about how to get the economy growing faster.
33:13
Secretary Clinton, in your plan, government plays
33:16
a big role. You see more government spending,
33:21
more entitlements, more tax credits, more tax
33:24
penalties. Mr. Trump, you want to get government
33:27
out with lower taxes and less regulation. We're
33:30
going to drill down into this a little bit more.
33:32
But in this overview, please explain to me why
33:35
you believe that your plan will create more jobs
33:37
and growth for this country and your opponent's
33:41
plan will not. In this round, you go for a secretary
33:43
Clinton. Well, I think when the middle class
33:45
thrives, America thrives. And so my plan is based
33:49
on growing the economy, giving middle class families
33:53
many more opportunities. I want us to have the
33:56
biggest jobs program since World War II, jobs
33:59
in infrastructure and advanced manufacturing.
34:01
I think we can compete with high wage countries,
34:04
and I believe we should. New jobs and clean energy,
34:07
not only to fight climate change, which is a
34:09
serious problem, but to create new opportunities
34:12
and new businesses. I want us to do more to help
34:15
small business. That's where two -thirds of the
34:17
new jobs are going to come from. I want us to
34:19
raise the national minimum wage because people
34:22
who live in poverty should not, who work full
34:25
-time, should not still be in poverty. And I
34:27
sure do want to make sure women get equal pay
34:29
for the work we do. I feel strongly that we have
34:32
to have an education system that starts with
34:34
preschool and goes through college. That's why
34:37
I want more technical education in high schools
34:39
and in community colleges, real apprenticeships
34:42
to prepare young people for the jobs of the future.
34:45
I want to make college debt -free and for families
34:48
making less than $125 ,000. You will not get
34:51
a tuition bill from a public college or university
34:54
if the plan that I worked on with Bernie Sanders
34:57
is enacted. And we're going to work hard to make
35:00
sure that it is because we are going to go where
35:03
the money is. Most of the gains in the last years
35:07
since the Great Recession have gone to the very
35:09
top. So we are going to have the wealthy pay
35:12
their fair share. We're going to have corporations
35:14
make a contribution greater than they are now
35:17
to our country. That is a plan that has been
35:20
analyzed by independent experts, which said that
35:23
it could produce 10 million new jobs. By contrast,
35:26
Donald's plan has been analyzed to conclude it
35:30
might lose 3 .5 million jobs. Why? Because his
35:33
whole plan is to cut taxes, to give the biggest
35:37
tax breaks ever to the wealthy and to corporations,
35:40
adding $20 trillion to our debt. and causing
35:44
the kind of dislocation that we have seen before
35:48
because it truly will be trickle -down economics
35:51
on steroids. So the plan I have, I think, will
35:53
actually produce greater opportunities. The plan
35:56
he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to
35:59
another great recession. Secretary, thank you.
36:01
Mr. Trump, why will your plan create more jobs
36:05
and growth than Secretary Clinton? Well, first
36:07
of all, before I start on my plan, her plan is
36:09
going to raise taxes and even double your taxes.
36:12
Her tax... plan is a disaster. And she can say
36:15
all she wants about college tuition. And I'm
36:18
a big proponent. We're going to do a lot of things
36:20
for college tuition, but the rest of the public
36:22
is going to be paying for it. We will have a
36:24
massive, massive tax increase under Hillary Clinton's
36:27
plan. But I'd like to start off where we left,
36:30
because when I said Japan and Germany, and I'm
36:35
not to single them out, but South Korea, these
36:37
are very rich, powerful countries, Saudi Arabia.
36:41
Nothing but money. We protect Saudi Arabia. Why
36:44
aren't they paying? She immediately, when she
36:46
heard this, I questioned it. And I questioned
36:48
NATO. Why aren't the NATO questioned? Why aren't
36:50
they paying? Because they weren't paying. Since
36:52
I did this, this was a year ago, all of a sudden
36:55
they're paying. And I've been given a lot of
36:56
credit for it. All of a sudden they're starting
36:58
to pay up. They have to pay up. We're protecting
37:01
people. They have to pay up. And I'm a big fan
37:03
of NATO, but they have to pay up. She comes out
37:06
and said... We love our allies. We think our
37:09
allies are great. Well, it's awfully hard to
37:11
get them to pay up when you have somebody saying,
37:13
we think how great they are. We have to tell
37:15
Japan in a very nice way. We have to tell Germany,
37:18
all of these countries, South Korea, we have
37:20
to say, you have to help us out. We have, during
37:24
his regime, during President Obama's regime,
37:27
we've doubled our national debt. We're up to
37:30
$20 trillion. So my plan, we're going to renegotiate
37:34
trade deals. We're going to have a lot of free
37:35
trade. We're going to have free trade, more free
37:37
trade than we have right now. But we have horrible
37:39
deals. Our jobs are being taken out by the deal
37:41
that her husband signed, NAFTA, one of the worst
37:43
deals ever. Our jobs are being sucked out of
37:46
our economy. You look at all of the places that
37:49
I just left. You go to Pennsylvania. You go to
37:51
Ohio. You go to Florida. You go to any of them.
37:53
You go upstate New York. Our jobs have fled to
37:56
Mexico and other places. We're bringing our jobs
37:58
back. I am going to renegotiate NAFTA. And if
38:01
I can't make a great deal, then we're going to
38:03
terminate NAFTA and we're going to create new
38:05
deals. We're going to have trade. But we're going
38:07
to terminate it. We're going to make a great
38:10
trade deal. And if we can't, we're going to go
38:12
a separate way because it has been a disaster.
38:16
We are going to cut taxes massively. We're going
38:18
to cut business taxes massively. They're going
38:21
to start hiring people. We're going to bring
38:23
the $2 .5 trillion that's offshore back into
38:25
the country. we are going to start the engine
38:28
rolling again because right now our country is
38:30
dying at one percent gdp well let me translate
38:34
that if i can chris because um you can't the
38:38
fact is he's going to uh advocate for the largest
38:42
tax cuts we've ever seen three times more than
38:45
the tax cuts under the bush administration i
38:48
have said repeatedly throughout this campaign
38:51
i will not raise taxes on anyone making 250 000
38:55
or less. I also will not add a penny to the debt.
39:00
I have costed out what I'm going to do. He will,
39:03
through his massive tax cuts, add $20 trillion
39:06
to the debt. Well, he mentioned the debt. We
39:09
know how to get control of the debt. When my
39:11
husband was president, we went from a $300 billion
39:13
deficit to a $200 billion surplus, and we were
39:16
actually on the path to eliminating the national
39:19
debt. When President Obama came into office,
39:22
he inherited the worst economic disaster since
39:24
the Great Depression. He has cut the deficit
39:27
by two -thirds. So, yes, one of the ways you
39:30
go after the debt, one of the ways you create
39:33
jobs is by investing in people. So I do have
39:36
investments, investments in new jobs, investments
39:40
in education, skill training, and the opportunities
39:43
for people to get ahead and stay ahead. That's
39:46
the kind of approach that will work. Cutting
39:49
taxes on the wealthy, we've tried that. It has
39:52
not worked the way that it has been promised.
39:55
Secretary Clinton, I want to pursue your plan
39:57
because in many ways it is similar to the Obama
40:01
stimulus plan in 2009, which has led to the slowest
40:06
GDP growth since 1949. Correct. Thank you, sir.
40:13
You told me in July when we spoke that the problem
40:16
is that President Obama didn't get to do enough.
40:19
in what he was trying to do with this stimulus.
40:21
So is your plan basically even more of the Obama
40:25
stimulus? Well, it's a combination, Chris. And
40:28
let me say that when you inherit the level of
40:32
economic catastrophe that President Obama inherited,
40:37
it was a real touch -and -go situation. I was
40:40
in the Senate before I became Secretary of State.
40:43
I've never seen people as physically distraught
40:48
as the Bush administration team was because of
40:52
what was happening to the economy. I personally
40:54
believe that the steps that President Obama took
40:58
saved the economy. He doesn't get the credit
41:01
he deserves for taking some very hard positions.
41:04
But it was a terrible recession. So now we've
41:08
dug ourselves out of it. We're standing, but
41:10
we're not yet running. So what I am proposing
41:13
is that we invest from the middle out and the
41:16
ground up, not the top down. That is not going
41:20
to work. That's why what I have put forward doesn't
41:23
add a penny to the debt. But it is the kind of
41:26
approach that will enable more people to take
41:29
those new jobs, higher -paying jobs. We're beginning
41:32
to see some increase in incomes, and we certainly
41:36
have had a long string of increasing jobs. We've
41:39
got to do more to get the whole economy moving,
41:43
and that's what I believe. I will be able to
41:45
do. Mr. Trump, even conservative economists who
41:48
have looked at your plans say that the numbers
41:50
don't add up, that your idea, and you've talked
41:53
about 25 million jobs created, 4 % growth, is
41:59
unrealistic. And they say, you talk a lot about
42:03
growing the energy industry, they say with oil
42:05
prices as low as they are right now, that's unrealistic
42:08
as well. Your response? So I just left some high
42:11
representatives of India. They're growing at
42:14
8%. China is growing at 7%, and that, for them,
42:19
is a catastrophically low number. We are growing.
42:22
Our last report came out, and it's right around
42:25
the 1 % level, and I think it's going down. Last
42:28
week, as you know, at the end of last week, they
42:31
came out with an anemic jobs report, a terrible
42:34
jobs report. In fact, I said, is that the last
42:37
jobs report before the election? Because if it
42:39
is, I should win easily. It was so bad. The report
42:42
was so bad. Look, our country is stagnant. We've
42:47
lost our jobs. We've lost our businesses. We're
42:51
not making things anymore, relatively speaking.
42:54
Our product is pouring in from China, pouring
42:56
in from Vietnam, pouring in from all over the
42:58
world. I've visited so many communities. This
43:01
has been such an incredible education for me,
43:03
Chris. I've gotten to know so many. I've developed
43:06
so many friends over the last year. And they
43:09
cry. when they see what's happened. I passed
43:11
factories that were thriving 20, 25 years ago,
43:14
and because of the bill that her husband signed
43:16
and she blessed 100%, it is just horrible what's
43:21
happened to these people in these communities.
43:22
Now, she can say that her husband did well, but
43:25
boy, did they suffer as NAFTA kicked in, because
43:28
it didn't really kick in very much, but it kicked
43:30
in after they left. Boy, did they suffer. That
43:33
was one of the worst things that's ever been
43:35
signed by our country. Now she wants to sign
43:37
Trans -Pacific Partnership, and she wants it.
43:40
She lied when she said she didn't call it the
43:42
gold standard in one of the debates. She totally
43:44
lied. She did call it the gold standard, and
43:46
they actually fact -checked, and they said I
43:48
was right. I want to give you a chance to briefly
43:51
speak to that, and then I want to pivot to one
43:54
sixth of the economy, which is Obamacare. But
43:56
go ahead, briefly. First, let me say, number
43:59
one, when I saw the final agreement for TPP,
44:03
I said I was against it. It didn't meet my test.
44:06
I've had the same test. Does it create jobs,
44:08
raise incomes, and further our national security?
44:11
I'm against it now. I'll be against it after
44:13
the election. I'll be against it when I'm president.
44:15
There's only one of us on this stage who's actually
44:17
shipped jobs to Mexico, because that's Donald.
44:19
He's shipped jobs to 12 countries, including
44:22
Mexico. But he mentioned China. and you know
44:25
one of the biggest problems we have with china
44:26
is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum
44:29
into our markets i have fought against that as
44:33
a senator i've stood up against it as secretary
44:35
of state donald has bought chinese steel and
44:38
aluminum in fact the trump hotel right here in
44:41
las vegas was made with chinese steel so he goes
44:44
around with crocodile tears about how terrible
44:46
it is but he has given jobs to chinese steel
44:49
workers not american steel workers that's the
44:51
kind of approach that is just not going to work
44:55
we're going to pull the country together we're
44:57
going to have trade agreements that we enforce
44:58
that's why i'm going to have a trade prosecutor
45:01
for the first time in history and we're going
45:03
to enforce those agreements and we're going to
45:06
look for businesses to help us by buying American
45:09
products. I ask a simple question. She's been
45:12
doing this for 30 years. Why the hell didn't
45:15
you do it over the last 15, 20 years? You were
45:18
very much involved. Excuse me. My turn. You were
45:22
very much involved in every aspect of this country.
45:25
Very much. And you do have experience. I say
45:28
the one thing you have over me is experience,
45:30
but it's bad experience because what you've done
45:32
has turned out badly. For 30 years, you've been
45:35
in a position to help. and if you say that i
45:37
use steel or i use something else i make it impossible
45:41
for me to do that i wouldn't mind the problem
45:44
is you talk but you don't get anything done hillary
45:47
you don't just like when you ran the state department
45:49
six billion dollars was missing how do you miss
45:53
six billion dollars you ran the state department
45:55
six billion dollars was either stolen they don't
45:59
know it's gone six billion dollars if you become
46:04
president This country is going to be in some
46:07
mess. Believe me. Well, first of all, what he
46:11
just said about the State Department is not only
46:13
untrue, it's been debunked numerous times. But
46:16
I think it's really an important issue. He raised
46:20
the 30 years of experience. So let me just talk
46:22
briefly about that. You know, back in the 1970s,
46:26
I worked for the Children's Defense Fund, and
46:28
I was taking on discrimination against African
46:31
-American kids in schools. he was getting sued
46:34
by the justice department for racial discrimination
46:36
in his apartment buildings in the 1980s i was
46:40
working to reform the schools in arkansas he
46:43
was borrowing 14 million dollars from his father
46:46
to start his businesses in the 1990s i went to
46:49
beijing and i said women's rights are human rights
46:51
he insulted a former miss universe alicia machado
46:55
called her an eating machine and on the day when
46:58
i was in the situation room monitoring the raid
47:02
that brought Osama bin Laden to justice. He was
47:05
hosting the celebrity apprentice. So I'm happy
47:08
to compare my 30 years of experience, what I've
47:11
done for this country, trying to help in every
47:14
way I could, especially kids and families get
47:16
ahead and stay ahead with your 30 years. And
47:19
I'll let the American people make that decision.
47:22
Well, I think I did a much better job. I built
47:24
a massive company, a great company, some of the
47:26
greatest assets anywhere in the world. worth
47:29
many, many billions of dollars. I started with
47:32
a $1 million loan. I agree with that. It's a
47:34
$1 million loan, but I built a phenomenal company.
47:38
And if we could run our country the way I've
47:41
run my company, we would have a country that
47:44
you would be so proud of. You would even be proud
47:46
of it. And frankly, when you look at her real
47:50
record, take a look at Syria, take a look at
47:53
the migration, take a look at Libya, take a look
47:56
at Iraq. She gave us ISIS because her and Obama
47:59
created this huge vacuum. And a small group came
48:02
out of that huge vacuum because we should have
48:05
never been in Iraq. But once we were there, we
48:08
should have never got out the way they wanted
48:09
to get out. She gave us ISIS as sure as you are
48:12
sitting there. And what happened is now ISIS
48:15
is in 32 countries. And now I listen how she's
48:18
going to get rid of ISIS. She's going to get
48:21
rid of nobody. All right. We are going to get
48:23
to foreign hot spots. in a few moments, but the
48:27
next segment is fitness to be president of the
48:30
United States. Mr. Trump, at the last debate,
48:32
you said your talk about grabbing women was just
48:37
that, talk, and that you'd never actually done
48:40
it. And since then, as we all know, nine women
48:43
have come forward and said that you either groped
48:46
them or kissed them without their consent. Why
48:52
would so many different women from so many different
48:54
circumstances over so many different years, why
48:57
would they all in this last couple of weeks make
49:00
up? You denied us. Why would they all make up
49:02
these stories? And since this is a question for
49:04
both of you, Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump says
49:08
what your husband did and that you defended was
49:12
even worse. Mr. Trump, you go first. Well, first
49:15
of all, those stories have been largely debunked.
49:18
Those people, I don't know those people. I have
49:20
a feeling how they came. I believe it was her
49:22
campaign that did it. Just like if you look at
49:25
what came out today on the clips, where I was
49:29
wondering what happened with my rally in Chicago
49:31
and other rallies where we had such violence.
49:34
She's the one in Obama that caused the violence.
49:37
They hired people, they paid them $1 ,500, and
49:41
they're on tape saying, be violent, cause fights.
49:44
do bad things i would say the only way because
49:47
those stories are all totally false i have to
49:49
say that and i didn't even apologize to my wife
49:52
who's sitting right here because i didn't do
49:54
anything i didn't know any of these women i didn't
49:57
see these women these women the woman on the
50:00
plane the woman i think they want either fame
50:03
or her campaign did it and i think it's her campaign
50:06
because what i saw what they did which is a criminal
50:10
act by the way where they're telling people to
50:13
go out and start fist fights and start violence
50:15
and i'll tell you what in particular in chicago
50:18
people were hurt and people could have been killed
50:21
in that riot and that was now all on tape started
50:24
by her i believe chris that she got these people
50:29
to step forward if it wasn't they get their 10
50:32
minutes of fame but they were all totally it
50:35
was all fiction it was lies and it was fiction
50:38
well secretary clinton at the last debate we
50:42
heard Donald talking about what he did to women.
50:47
And after that, a number of women have come forward
50:51
saying that's exactly what he did to them. Now,
50:55
what was his response? Well, he held a number
50:57
of big rallies where he said that he could not
51:01
possibly have done those things to those women
51:05
because they were not attractive enough for I
51:08
did not say that. I did not say that. In fact,
51:11
he went on to say... Her two minutes, sir, her
51:14
two minutes. But did not say that. It's her two
51:16
minutes. He went on to say, look at her. I don't
51:21
think so. About another woman, he said, that
51:25
wouldn't be my first choice. He attacked the
51:28
woman reporter writing the story, called her
51:31
disgusting, as he has called a number of women
51:34
during this campaign. Donald thinks belittling
51:38
women makes him bigger. He goes after their dignity,
51:42
their self -worth, and I don't think there is
51:46
a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels
51:48
like. So we now know what Donald thinks and what
51:53
he says and how he acts toward women. That's
51:56
who Donald is. I think it's really up to all
52:00
of us to demonstrate who we are and who our country
52:04
is. and to stand up and be very clear about what
52:09
we expect from our next president, how we want
52:13
to bring our country together, where we don't
52:16
want to have the kind of pitting of people one
52:21
against the other, where instead we celebrate
52:23
our diversity, we lift people up, and we make
52:28
our country even greater. America is great because
52:32
America is good. And it really is up to all of
52:36
us to make that true now and in the future, and
52:40
particularly for our children and our grandchildren.
52:43
Mr. Trump. Nobody has more respect for women
52:46
than I do. Nobody. Nobody has more respect. Please,
52:49
everybody. And frankly, those stories have been
52:54
largely debunked. And I really want to just talk
52:58
about something slightly different. She mentions
53:01
this. which is all fiction, all fictionalized,
53:05
probably or possibly started by her and her very
53:09
sleazy campaign. But I will tell you, what isn't
53:13
fictionalized are her emails, where she destroyed
53:16
33 ,000 emails criminally, criminally, after
53:20
getting a subpoena from the United States Congress.
53:23
What happened to the FBI? I don't know. We have
53:26
a great general, four -star general, today. You
53:30
read it in all the papers. going to potentially
53:32
serve five years in jail for lying to the fbi
53:37
one lie she's lied hundreds of times to the people
53:42
to congress and to the to the fbi he's going
53:46
to probably go to jail this is a four star general
53:51
and she gets away with it and she can run for
53:54
the presidency of the united states That's really
53:57
what you should be talking about, not fiction
54:00
where somebody wants fame or where they come
54:02
out of her crooked campaign. Secretary Clinton.
54:05
Well, every time Donald is pushed on something,
54:10
which is obviously uncomfortable, like what these
54:15
women are saying, he immediately goes to denying
54:20
responsibility. And it's not just about women.
54:24
He never. apologizes or says he's sorry for anything
54:28
so we know what he has said and what he's done
54:31
to women but he also went after a disabled reporter
54:35
mocked and mimicked him on national television
54:38
he went after mr and mrs khan the parents of
54:43
a young man who died serving our country a gold
54:47
star family because of their religion he went
54:50
after john mccain a prisoner of war said he prefers
54:54
people who aren't captured. He went after a federal
54:59
judge born in Indiana, but who Donald said couldn't
55:04
be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering
55:06
case against Trump University because his parents
55:09
were Mexican. So it's not one thing. This is
55:12
a pattern. pattern of divisiveness of a very
55:16
dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our
55:20
country where he incites violence where he applauds
55:24
people who are pushing and pulling and punching
55:27
at his rallies that is not who America is and
55:31
I hope that as we move in the last weeks of this
55:35
campaign more and more people will understand
55:39
what's at stake in this election it really does
55:42
come down to what kind of country we are going
55:44
to have so sad when she talks about violence
55:47
at my rallies and she caused the violence it's
55:50
on tape during the last the other things are
55:53
false but honestly i'd love to talk about getting
55:56
rid of isis and i'd love to talk about other
55:58
things okay but those other charges as she knows
56:00
they're in this in this bucket about fitness
56:03
to be president there's been a lot of developments
56:06
over the last 10 days since the last debate.
56:09
I'd like to ask you about them. These are questions
56:11
that the American people have. Secretary Clinton,
56:13
during your 2009 Senate confirmation hearing,
56:16
you promised to avoid even the appearance of
56:19
a conflict of interest with your dealing with
56:22
the Clinton Foundation while you were Secretary
56:24
of State. But emails show that donors got special
56:27
access to you. Those seeking grants for Haiti
56:31
relief were... considered separately from non
56:35
-donors and some of those donors got contract
56:38
government contracts taxpayer money can you really
56:41
say that you kept your pledge to that senate
56:43
committee and why isn't what happened and what
56:46
went on between you and the clinton foundation
56:49
why isn't it what mr trump calls pay to play
56:52
well everything i did as secretary of state was
56:55
in furtherance of uh Our country's interests
56:59
and our values the State Department has said
57:01
that I think that's been proven, but I am happy
57:04
in fact I'm thrilled to talk about the Clinton
57:06
Foundation because it is a world -renowned charity
57:09
And I am so proud of the work that it does you
57:12
know I could talk for the rest of the debate
57:14
I know I don't have the time to do that, but
57:17
just briefly The Clinton Foundation made it possible
57:20
for 11 million people around the world with HIV
57:24
AIDS to afford treatment. And that's about half
57:27
of all the people in the world who are getting
57:29
treatment. In partnership with the American Health
57:32
Association, we have made environments in schools
57:35
healthier for kids, including healthier punches.
57:38
Secretary Clinton, respectfully, this is an open
57:40
discussion. Well, it is an open discussion. I
57:42
understand. And the specific question went to
57:43
pay for play. Do you want to talk about that?
57:45
Well, but there is no evidence, but there is
57:47
a lot of evidence about the very good work and
57:51
the high ranking that the total people know.
57:54
It's a criminal enterprise. Saudi Arabia giving
57:58
$25 million, Qatar, all of these countries. You
58:02
talk about women and women's rights? So these
58:05
are people that push gays off business, off buildings.
58:08
These are people that kill women and treat women
58:12
horribly, and yet you take their money. So I'd
58:15
like to ask you right now, why don't you give
58:17
back the money that you've taken from certain
58:20
countries that treat certain groups of people?
58:24
So horribly. Why don't you give back the money?
58:26
I think it would be a great gesture. Well, because
58:28
she takes a tremendous amount of money. And you
58:31
take a look at the people of Haiti. I was at
58:33
a little Haiti the other day in Florida. And
58:36
I want to tell you, they hate the Clintons because
58:39
what's happened in Haiti with the Clinton Foundation
58:42
is a disgrace. And you know it and they know
58:46
it. And everybody knows Secretary Clinton very
58:48
quickly. We at the Clinton Foundation spend 90
58:51
percent, 90 percent. of all the money that is
58:55
donated on behalf of programs of people around
58:58
the world and in our own country. I'm very proud
59:01
of that. We have the highest rating from the
59:03
watchdogs that follow foundations. And I'd be
59:07
happy to compare what we do with the Trump Foundation,
59:09
which took money from other people and bought
59:11
a six -foot portrait of Donald. I mean, who does
59:14
that? It just was astonishing. But when it comes
59:18
to Haiti, Haiti is the poorest country in our
59:20
hemisphere. the earthquake and the hurricanes.
59:23
It has devastated Haiti. Bill and I have been
59:26
involved in trying to help Haiti for many years.
59:29
The Clinton Foundation raised $30 million to
59:32
help Haiti after the catastrophic earthquake
59:35
and all of the terrible problems the people there
59:38
had. We've done things to help small businesses,
59:42
agriculture, and so much else. And we're going
59:44
to keep working to help Haiti because it's an
59:47
important part of the American experience. They
59:49
don't want you to help them anymore. I'd like
59:52
to mention one thing. Trump Foundation, small
59:54
foundation, people contribute, I contribute.
59:58
The money goes 100%. 100 % goes to different
1:00:00
charities, including a lot of military. I don't
1:00:03
get anything. I don't buy boats. I don't buy
1:00:05
planes. What happens? Wasn't some of the money
1:00:08
used to settle your lawsuit, sir? No, it was
1:00:11
we put up the American flag and that's it. They
1:00:14
put up the American flag. We fought for the right
1:00:16
in Palm Beach to put up the American flag. There
1:00:18
was a penalty that was imposed by Palm Beach
1:00:21
County. There was. And the money came from your
1:00:23
foundation. And by the way, the money went to
1:00:26
Fisher House where they build houses. The money
1:00:30
that you're talking about. went to fisher house
1:00:32
where they build houses for veterans and disabled
1:00:35
i want to get into one of course there's no way
1:00:37
we can know whether any of that is true because
1:00:38
he hasn't released his tax returns he is the
1:00:40
first candidate ever to run for president in
1:00:43
the last 40 plus years who has not released his
1:00:46
tax returns so everything he says about charity
1:00:49
or anything else we can't prove it you can look
1:00:53
at our tax returns we've got them all out there
1:00:55
but what is really troubling uh is that we learned
1:00:59
in the last debate he has not paid a penny in
1:01:02
federal income tax and we were talking about
1:01:05
immigrants a few minutes ago chris you know half
1:01:08
of all immigrants undocumented immigrants in
1:01:11
our country actually pay federal income tax so
1:01:14
We have undocumented immigrants in America who
1:01:17
are paying more federal income tax than a billionaire.
1:01:20
I find that just astonishing. So let me just
1:01:21
tell you very simply, we're entitled, because
1:01:23
of the laws that people like her pass, to take
1:01:26
massive amounts of depreciation and other charges,
1:01:28
and we do it. And all of her donors, just about
1:01:31
all of them, I know Buffett took hundreds of
1:01:33
millions of dollars, Soros, George Soros. took
1:01:37
hundreds of millions of dollars. Let me just
1:01:38
explain. All of her donors, most of her donors,
1:01:41
have done the same thing as I do. And you know
1:01:43
what you should have done? And you know, Hillary,
1:01:45
what you should have done? You should have changed
1:01:47
the law when you were a United States senator.
1:01:50
Because your donors and your special interests
1:01:53
are doing the same thing as I do, except even
1:01:56
more so. You should have changed the law, but
1:01:58
you won't change the law because you're taking
1:02:00
so much money. I mean, I sat in my apartment
1:02:03
today. on a very beautiful hotel down the street
1:02:07
known as Made with Chinese Steel. But I will
1:02:09
tell you, I sat there. I sat there watching ad
1:02:13
after ad after ad, false ad, all paid for by
1:02:17
your friends on Wall Street that gave so much
1:02:19
money because they know you're going to protect
1:02:22
them. And frankly, you should have changed the
1:02:25
laws. If you don't like what I did, you should
1:02:27
have changed the laws. Mr. Trump, I want to ask
1:02:29
you about one last question in this topic. You
1:02:32
have been warning at re... rallies recently that
1:02:36
this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton
1:02:40
is in the process of trying to steal it from
1:02:43
you. Your running mate, Governor Pence, pledged
1:02:47
on Sunday that he and you, his words, will absolutely
1:02:51
accept the result of this election. Today, your
1:02:54
daughter Ivanka said the same thing. I want to
1:02:57
ask you here on this stage tonight, do you make
1:03:00
the same commitment that you will absolutely,
1:03:02
sir? that you will absolutely accept the result
1:03:05
of this election? I will look at it at the time.
1:03:07
I'm not looking at anything now. I'll look at
1:03:09
it at the time. What I've seen, what I've seen
1:03:12
is so bad. First of all, the media is so dishonest
1:03:16
and so corrupt, and the pylon is so amazing.
1:03:19
The New York Times actually wrote an article
1:03:21
about it that they don't even care. It's so dishonest,
1:03:24
and they've poisoned the minds of the voters.
1:03:27
But unfortunately for them... I think the voters
1:03:30
are seeing through it. I think they're going
1:03:31
to see through it. We'll find out on November
1:03:33
8th, but I think they're going to see through
1:03:34
it. Excuse me, Chris. If you look at your voter
1:03:38
rolls, you will see millions of people that are
1:03:42
registered to vote. Millions. This isn't coming
1:03:44
from me. This is coming from Pew Report and other
1:03:46
places. Millions of people that are registered
1:03:49
to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote.
1:03:54
Let me just give you one other thing. So I talk
1:03:56
about the corrupt media. I talk about the millions
1:03:58
of people. Tell you one other thing. She shouldn't
1:04:01
be allowed to run. She's guilty of a very, very
1:04:05
serious crime. She should not be allowed to run.
1:04:10
And just in that respect, I say it's rigged.
1:04:14
Because she should never have been allowed. to
1:04:18
run for the presidency based on what she did
1:04:21
with emails and so many other things. But, sir,
1:04:24
there is a tradition in this country. In fact,
1:04:26
one of the prides of this country is the peaceful
1:04:28
transition of power and that no matter how hard
1:04:31
fought a campaign is, that at the end of the
1:04:34
campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner,
1:04:38
not saying that you're necessarily going to be
1:04:40
the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes
1:04:42
to the winner and that the country comes together
1:04:45
in part for the good of the country. prepared
1:04:48
now to what i'm saying is that i will tell you
1:04:51
at the time i'll keep you in suspense well chris
1:04:54
let me respond to that because that's horrifying
1:04:56
you know every time donald thinks things are
1:05:00
not going in his direction he claims whatever
1:05:03
it is is rigged against him the fbi conducted
1:05:06
a year -long investigation into my emails they
1:05:09
concluded there was no case he said the fbi was
1:05:12
rigged he lost the iowa caucus he lost the wisconsin
1:05:15
primary He said the Republican primary was rigged
1:05:19
against him. Then Trump University gets sued
1:05:22
for fraud and racketeering. He claims the court
1:05:25
system and the federal judge is rigged against
1:05:27
him. There was even a time when he didn't get
1:05:31
an Emmy for his TV program three years in a row,
1:05:34
and he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged
1:05:37
against him. Should have gotten it. This is a
1:05:39
mindset. This is how Donald thinks. And it's
1:05:43
funny, but it's also really troubling. That is
1:05:47
not the way our democracy works. We've been around
1:05:50
for 240 years. We've had free and fair elections.
1:05:54
We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have
1:05:57
liked them. And that is what must be expected
1:06:00
of anyone standing on a debate stage during a
1:06:03
general election. You know, President Obama said
1:06:06
the other day, when you're whining before the
1:06:09
game is even finished, it just shows. you you're
1:06:12
not up to doing the job and let's you know let's
1:06:15
be clear about what he is saying and what that
1:06:17
means he is denigrating he's talking down our
1:06:21
democracy and i for one am appalled that somebody
1:06:25
who is the nominee of one of our two major parties
1:06:28
would take that kind of position i think what
1:06:31
the fbi did and what the department of justice
1:06:33
did including meeting with her husband the attorney
1:06:37
general in the back of an airplane on the tarmac
1:06:40
in arizona I think it's disgraceful. I think
1:06:44
it's a disgrace. I think we've never had a situation
1:06:46
so bad. Hold on, folks. This doesn't do any good
1:06:50
for anyone. Let's please continue the debate,
1:06:52
and let's move on to the subject of foreign hotspots.
1:06:55
The Iraqi offensive to take back Mosul has begun.
1:07:00
If they are successful in pushing ISIS out of
1:07:04
that city and out of all of Iraq, the question
1:07:06
then becomes... What happens the day after? And
1:07:10
that's something that whichever of you ends up,
1:07:12
whoever of you ends up as president is going
1:07:14
to have to confront. Will you put U .S. troops
1:07:18
into that vacuum to make sure that ISIS doesn't
1:07:21
come back or isn't replaced by something even
1:07:24
worse? Secretary Clinton, you go first in this
1:07:26
segment. You have two minutes. Well, I am encouraged
1:07:30
that there is an effort led by the Iraqi army.
1:07:35
supported by Kurdish forces and also given the
1:07:40
help and advice from the number of special forces
1:07:44
and other Americans on the ground, but I will
1:07:46
not support putting American soldiers into Iraq
1:07:50
as an occupying force. I don't think that is
1:07:53
in our interests and I don't think that would
1:07:55
be smart to do. In fact, Chris, I think that
1:07:58
would be a big red flag waving for ISIS to reconstitute
1:08:02
itself. The goal here is to take back Mosul.
1:08:06
It's going to be a hard fight. I've got no illusions
1:08:09
about that. And then continue to press into Syria
1:08:13
to begin to take back and move on Raqqa, which
1:08:16
is the ISIS headquarters. I am hopeful that the
1:08:20
hard work that American military advisers have
1:08:23
done will pay off and that we will see a really
1:08:28
successful military operation. But we know we've
1:08:32
got lots of work to do. Syria will remain a hotbed
1:08:35
of terrorism as long as the civil war aided and
1:08:39
abetted by the Iranians and the Russians continue.
1:08:42
So I have said, look, we need to keep our eye
1:08:44
on ISIS. That's why I want to have an intelligence
1:08:47
surge that protects us here at home, why we have
1:08:50
to go after them from the air, on the ground,
1:08:53
online. why we have to make sure here at home
1:08:55
we don't let terrorists buy weapons. If you're
1:08:57
too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous to
1:09:00
buy a gun. And I'm going to continue to push
1:09:04
for a no -fly zone and safe havens within Syria,
1:09:08
not only to help protect the Syrians and prevent
1:09:10
the constant outflow of refugees, but to frankly
1:09:14
gain some leverage on both the Syrian government
1:09:16
and the Russians so that perhaps we can have...
1:09:19
the kind of serious negotiation necessary to
1:09:23
bring the conflict to an end and go forward on
1:09:25
a political track. Mr. Trump, second question.
1:09:29
If we are able to push ISIS out of Mosul and
1:09:32
out of Iraq, would you be willing to put U .S.
1:09:36
troops in there to prevent their return or something
1:09:39
else? Let me tell you, Mosul's so sad. We had
1:09:43
Mosul. But when she left, when she took everybody
1:09:46
out... We lost Mosul. Now we're fighting again
1:09:48
to get Mosul. The problem with Mosul and what
1:09:52
they wanted to do is they wanted to get the leaders
1:09:54
of ISIS who they felt were in Mosul. About three
1:09:58
months ago, I started reading that they want
1:10:01
to get the leaders, and they're going to attack
1:10:03
Mosul. Whatever happened to the element of surprise,
1:10:07
okay? We announced we're going after Mosul. I've
1:10:10
been reading about going after Mosul now for
1:10:12
about, how long is it, Hillary, three months?
1:10:14
These people have all left. They've all left.
1:10:17
The element of surprise. Douglas MacArthur, George
1:10:21
Patton, spinning in their graves when they see
1:10:25
the stupidity of our country. So we're now fighting
1:10:28
for Mosul that we had. All she had to do is stay
1:10:31
there. Now we're going in to get it. But you
1:10:34
know who the big winner in Mosul is going to
1:10:35
be after we eventually get it? And the only reason
1:10:37
they did it is because she's running for the
1:10:40
office of president. And they want to look tough.
1:10:43
They want to look good. He violated the red line
1:10:46
in the sand. And he made so many mistakes, made
1:10:49
all mistakes. That's why we have the great migration.
1:10:52
But she wanted to look good for the election.
1:10:54
So they're going in. But who's going to get Mosul,
1:10:57
really? We'll take Mosul eventually. By the way,
1:10:59
if you look at what's happening, much tougher
1:11:01
than they thought, much, much tougher, much more
1:11:04
dangerous, going to be more deaths than they
1:11:05
thought. But the leaders that we wanted to get
1:11:07
are all gone because they're smart. They say,
1:11:10
what do we need this for? So Mosul is going to
1:11:13
be. A wonderful thing, and Iran should write
1:11:16
us a letter of thank you, just like the really
1:11:19
stupid, the stupidest deal of all time, a deal
1:11:22
that's going to give Iran absolutely nuclear
1:11:25
weapons. Iran should write us yet another letter
1:11:29
saying thank you very much, because Iran, as
1:11:32
I said many years ago, Iran is taking over Iraq,
1:11:35
something they've wanted to do forever, but we've
1:11:37
made it so easy for them. So we're now going
1:11:39
to take Mosul, and you know who's going to be
1:11:42
the beneficiary? Iran. boy are they making i
1:11:45
mean they are outsmarting look you're not there
1:11:48
you might be involved in that decision but you
1:11:51
were there when you took everybody out of mosul
1:11:53
and out of iraq you shouldn't have been in iraq
1:11:56
but you did vote for it you shouldn't have been
1:11:58
in iraq but once you were in iraq you should
1:12:01
have never left the way the point is is going
1:12:04
to be iran well you know once again uh donald
1:12:10
is implying that he didn't support the invasion
1:12:12
of Iraq. I said it was a mistake. I said that
1:12:14
years ago. He has consistently denied what is
1:12:18
a very clear fact that before the invasion, he
1:12:22
supported it. And, you know, I just want everybody
1:12:24
to go Google it. Google Donald Trump Iraq, and
1:12:28
you will see the dozens of sources which verify
1:12:31
that he was for the invasion of Iraq. And you
1:12:34
can actually hear the audio of him saying that.
1:12:37
Now, why does that matter? Well, it matters because
1:12:40
he has not told the truth about that position.
1:12:44
I guess he believes it makes him look better
1:12:46
now, to contrast with me, because I did vote
1:12:49
for it. But what's really important here is to
1:12:53
understand all the interplay. Mosul is a Sunni
1:12:57
city. Mosul is on the border of Syria. And yes,
1:13:01
we do need to go after Baghdadi, just like we
1:13:05
went after bin Laden. while you were doing Celebrity
1:13:08
Apprentice, and we brought him to justice. We
1:13:11
need to go after the leadership, but we need
1:13:14
to get rid of them, get rid of their fighters,
1:13:16
their estimated several thousand fighters in
1:13:19
Mosul. They've been digging underground. They've
1:13:21
been prepared to defend. It's going to be tough
1:13:23
fighting, but I think we can take back Mosul,
1:13:26
and then we can move on into Syria and take back
1:13:28
Raqqa. This is what we have to do. I'm just amazed
1:13:33
that he seems to think that the Iraqi government
1:13:36
and our allies and everybody else launched the
1:13:39
attack on Mosul to help me in this election.
1:13:42
how Donald thinks, you know? He always is looking
1:13:45
for some conspiracy. Chris, we don't gain anything.
1:13:47
Iran is taking over Iraq. Iran is taking over
1:13:52
Iraq. We don't gain anything. We would have gained
1:13:55
if they did it by surprise. Wait, wait, wait.
1:13:57
Secretary Clinton, it's an open discussion. We
1:14:00
would have gained if they did it by surprise.
1:14:02
He's unfit, and he proves it every time he talks.
1:14:06
You are the one that's unfit. You know, WikiLeaks
1:14:08
just actually came out. John Podesta. said some
1:14:11
horrible things about you. And boy, was he right.
1:14:15
He said some beauties. And you know, Bernie Sanders,
1:14:18
he said you have bad judgment. You do. And if
1:14:20
you think that going into Mosul, after we let
1:14:24
the world know we're going in, and all of the
1:14:26
people that we really wanted, the leaders, they're
1:14:29
all gone. If you think that was good, then you
1:14:32
do. Now, John Podesta said you have terrible
1:14:34
instincts. Bernie Sanders said you have bad judgment.
1:14:38
I agree with both. Well, you should ask Bernie
1:14:40
Sanders who he's supporting for president. And
1:14:43
he has said, as he has campaigned for me around
1:14:46
the country, you are the most dangerous person
1:14:48
to run for president in the modern history of
1:14:51
America. I think he's right. Let's turn to Aleppo.
1:14:57
Mr. Trump, in the last debate, you were both
1:15:00
asked about the situation in the Syrian city
1:15:04
of Aleppo. And I want to follow up on that because
1:15:06
you said, Several things in that debate which
1:15:10
were not true, sir. You said that Aleppo has
1:15:13
basically fallen. In fact, there are... It's
1:15:17
a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. Have you
1:15:21
seen it? Have you seen it? Have you seen what's
1:15:24
happened to Aleppo? If I may finish my question.
1:15:27
Okay, so it hasn't fallen. Take a look at it.
1:15:28
Well, there are a quarter of a million people
1:15:30
still living there and being slaughtered. That's
1:15:32
right. And they are being slaughtered because
1:15:34
of bad decisions. If I may just finish here.
1:15:37
And you also said that Syria and Russia are busy
1:15:42
fighting ISIS. In fact, they have been the ones
1:15:46
who've been bombing and shelling eastern Aleppo.
1:15:49
And they just announced a humanitarian pause,
1:15:52
in effect, admitting that they have been bombing
1:15:54
and shelling Aleppo. Would you like to clear
1:15:55
that up? Well, Aleppo is a disaster. It's a humanitarian
1:15:59
nightmare. But it has fallen from any standpoint.
1:16:04
I mean, what do you need, a signed document?
1:16:05
Take a look at Aleppo. It is so sad when you
1:16:08
see what's happened. And a lot of this is because
1:16:11
of Hillary Clinton. Because what's happened is
1:16:14
by fighting Assad, who turned out to be a lot
1:16:17
tougher than she thought, and now she's going
1:16:20
to say, oh, he loves Assad. He's just much tougher
1:16:24
and much smarter than her and Obama. And everyone
1:16:27
thought he was gone two years ago, three years
1:16:29
ago. He aligned with Russia. He now also aligned
1:16:33
with Iran, who we made very powerful. We gave
1:16:37
them $150 billion back. We gave them $1 .7 billion
1:16:42
in cash. I mean cash, bundles of cash as big
1:16:45
as this stage. We gave them $1 .7 billion. Now,
1:16:50
they have aligned. He has aligned with Russia
1:16:53
and with Iran. They don't want ISIS, but they
1:16:57
have other things because we're backing. We're
1:17:00
backing rebels. We don't know who the rebels
1:17:02
are. We're giving them lots of money, lots of
1:17:06
everything. We don't know who the rebels are.
1:17:09
And when and if, and it's not going to happen
1:17:11
because you have Russia and you have Iran now,
1:17:13
but if they ever did overthrow Assad, you might
1:17:16
end up with as bad as Assad is. And he's a bad
1:17:18
guy. But you may very well end up with worse
1:17:21
than Assad. If she did nothing. We'd be in much
1:17:26
better shape. And this is what's caused the great
1:17:29
migration, where she's taken in tens of thousands
1:17:33
of Syrian refugees who probably, in many cases,
1:17:37
not probably, who are definitely, in many cases,
1:17:40
ISIS -aligned. And we now have them in our country.
1:17:44
And wait till you see. This is going to be the
1:17:46
great Trojan horse. And wait till you see what
1:17:49
happens in the coming years. Lots of luck, Hillary.
1:17:52
Thanks a lot for doing a great job. Secretary
1:17:54
Clinton, you have talked about, and in the last
1:17:57
debate and again today, that you would impose
1:17:59
a no -fly zone to try to protect the people of
1:18:03
Aleppo and to stop the killing there. President
1:18:05
Obama has refused to do that because he fears
1:18:07
it's going to draw us closer or deeper into the
1:18:10
conflict. And General Joseph Dunford, the chairman
1:18:13
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says you impose
1:18:15
a no -fly zone, chances are you're going to get
1:18:18
into a war, his words, with Syria and Russia.
1:18:22
So the question I have is, if you impose a no
1:18:25
-fly zone, first of all, how do you respond to
1:18:26
their concerns? Secondly, if you impose a no
1:18:29
-fly zone and a Russian plane violates that,
1:18:32
does President Clinton shoot that plane down?
1:18:34
Well, Chris, first of all, I think a no -fly
1:18:37
zone could save lives and could hasten the end
1:18:40
of the conflict. I am well aware of the really
1:18:43
legitimate concerns that you have expressed from
1:18:45
both the president and the general. This would
1:18:48
not be done just... on the first day. This would
1:18:51
take a lot of negotiation. It would also take
1:18:53
making it clear to the Russians and the Syrians
1:18:55
that our purpose here was to provide safe zones
1:18:59
on the ground. We've had millions of people leave
1:19:02
Syria and those millions of people inside Syria
1:19:07
who've been dislocated. So I think we could strike
1:19:10
a deal and make it very clear. to the Russians
1:19:13
and the Syrians that this was something that
1:19:16
we believe was in the best interests of the people
1:19:18
on the ground in Syria. It would help us with
1:19:21
our fight against ISIS. But I want to respond
1:19:23
to what Donald said about refugees. He's made
1:19:26
these claims repeatedly. I am not going to let
1:19:29
anyone into this country who is not vetted, who
1:19:32
we do not have. confidence in but i am not going
1:19:35
to slam the door on women and children i that
1:19:38
picture of that little four -year -old boy in
1:19:40
aleppo with the blood coming down his face while
1:19:43
he sat in an ambulance is haunting and so we
1:19:46
are going to do very careful thorough vetting
1:19:49
that does not solve our internal challenges with
1:19:53
isis and our need to stop radicalization to work
1:19:56
with american muslim communities who are on the
1:19:58
front lines to identify and prevent attacks in
1:20:02
fact The killer of the dozens of people at the
1:20:08
nightclub in Orlando, the Pulse nightclub, was
1:20:11
born in Queens, the same place Donald was born.
1:20:14
So let's be clear about what the threat is and
1:20:18
how we are best going to be able to meet it.
1:20:21
And yes, some of that threat emanates from over
1:20:24
in Syria and Iraq, and we've got to keep fighting,
1:20:27
and I will defeat. isis and some of it is we
1:20:30
have to up our game and be much smarter here
1:20:32
i want to get into our final segment but i just
1:20:34
have to it's so ridiculous what she will defeat
1:20:37
isis we should have never let isis happen in
1:20:40
the first place and right now they're in 32 countries
1:20:42
wait one second they had a ceasefire three weeks
1:20:47
ago a ceasefire united states russia syria and
1:20:51
during the ceasefire russia took over vast swatches
1:20:54
of land and then they said we don't want the
1:20:56
ceasefire anymore We are so outplayed on missiles,
1:21:00
on ceasefires. They are outplayed. Now, she wasn't
1:21:04
there. I assume she had nothing to do with it.
1:21:06
But our country is so outplayed by Putin and
1:21:10
Assad and, by the way, and by Iran, nobody can
1:21:14
believe how stupid our leadership is. Mr. Trump,
1:21:18
Secretary Clinton, no, we need to move on to
1:21:20
our final segment, and that is the national debt,
1:21:23
which has not been discussed until tonight. Our
1:21:26
national debt as a share of the economy, our
1:21:29
GDP, is now 77%. That's the highest since just
1:21:34
after World War II. But the nonpartisan Committee
1:21:37
for a Responsible Federal Budget says, Secretary
1:21:39
Clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to
1:21:43
86 % of GDP over the next 10 years. Mr. Trump,
1:21:46
under your plan, they say it would rise to 105
1:21:49
% of GDP over the next 10 years. The question
1:21:54
is... Why are both of you ignoring this problem?
1:21:57
Mr. Trump, you go first. Well, I say they're
1:21:58
wrong because I'm going to create tremendous
1:22:01
jobs. And we're bringing GDP from really 1%,
1:22:04
which is what it is now. And if she got in, it'll
1:22:06
be less than zero. But we're bringing it from
1:22:10
1 % up to 4%. And I actually think we can go
1:22:13
higher than 4%. I think you can go to 5 % or
1:22:16
6%. And if we do... You don't have to bother
1:22:20
asking your question because we have a tremendous
1:22:22
machine. We will have created a tremendous economic
1:22:26
machine once again. To do that, we're taking
1:22:29
back jobs. We're not going to let our companies
1:22:32
be raided by other countries where we lose all
1:22:34
our jobs. We don't make our product anymore.
1:22:37
It's very sad. But I'm going to create the kind
1:22:41
of a country that we were from the standpoint
1:22:44
of industry. We used to be there. We've given
1:22:46
it up. We've become... very, very sloppy. We've
1:22:51
had people that are political hacks making the
1:22:54
biggest deals in the world, bigger than companies.
1:22:56
You take these big companies, these trade deals
1:22:58
are far bigger than these companies. And yet
1:23:00
we don't use our great leaders, many of whom
1:23:03
back me and many of whom back Hillary, I must
1:23:05
say. But we don't use those people. Those are
1:23:07
the people, these are the greatest negotiators
1:23:10
in the world. We have the greatest business people
1:23:11
in the world. We have to use them to negotiate
1:23:14
our trade deals. We use political hacks. We use
1:23:16
people that get the position because they gave
1:23:19
they made a campaign contribution and they're
1:23:22
dealing with china and people that are very much
1:23:24
smarter than they are so we have to use our great
1:23:27
people but with that being said we will create
1:23:31
an economic machine the likes of which we haven't
1:23:35
seen in many decades and people chris will again
1:23:38
go back to work and they'll make a lot of money
1:23:41
and we'll have companies that will grow and expand
1:23:44
and start from new secretary clint Well, first,
1:23:49
when I hear Donald talk like that and know that
1:23:52
his slogan is make America great again, I wonder
1:23:54
when he thought America was great. And before
1:23:59
he rushes and says, you know, before you and
1:24:02
President Obama were there, I think it's important
1:24:05
to recognize that he has been criticizing our
1:24:09
government for decades. You know, back in 1987,
1:24:14
He took out a $100 ,000 ad in the New York Times
1:24:18
during the time when President Reagan was president
1:24:21
and basically said exactly what he just said
1:24:25
now, that we were the laughingstock of the world.
1:24:28
He was criticizing President Reagan. This is
1:24:31
the way Donald thinks about himself, puts himself
1:24:35
into, you know, the middle and says, you know,
1:24:38
I alone can fix it, as he said on the convention
1:24:40
stage. But if you look at the debt, which is
1:24:44
the issue you asked about, Chris, I pay for everything
1:24:48
I'm proposing. I do not add a penny to the national
1:24:52
debt. I take that very seriously because I do
1:24:55
think it's one of the issues we've got to come
1:24:58
to grips with. So when I talk about how we're
1:25:01
going to pay for education, how we're going to
1:25:03
invest in infrastructure, how we're going to
1:25:05
get the cost of prescription drugs down, and
1:25:07
a lot of the other issues that people talk to
1:25:09
me about all the time, I've made it very clear.
1:25:12
We are going where the money is. We are going
1:25:14
to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their
1:25:18
fair share. And there is no evidence whatsoever
1:25:20
that that will slow down or diminish our growth.
1:25:25
In fact, I think just the opposite. We'll have
1:25:27
what economists call middle -out growth. We've
1:25:30
got to get back. to rebuilding the middle class
1:25:33
the families of america that's where growth will
1:25:36
come from that's why i want to invest in you
1:25:39
i want to invest in your family and i think that's
1:25:42
the smartest way to grow the economy to make
1:25:44
the economy fairer and we just have a big disagreement
1:25:47
about this it may be because of our experiences
1:25:49
you know he started off with his dad as a millionaire
1:25:52
i started off with my dad as a small businessman
1:25:55
we've heard this before i think it's you know
1:25:57
it's a difference that affects how we see the
1:25:59
world and what we want to do with the economy
1:26:01
time thank you hillary could i just respond well
1:26:04
no well no because ronald reagan very strongly
1:26:07
on trade i disagreed with him we should have
1:26:10
been much tougher on trade even then i've been
1:26:12
waiting for years nobody does it right and frankly
1:26:16
now we're going to do it right all right i the
1:26:18
one last area i want to get into with you in
1:26:20
this debate is the fact that the biggest driver
1:26:22
of our debt is entitlements which is 60 percent
1:26:27
of all federal spending. Now, the Committee for
1:26:29
Responsible Federal Budget has looked at both
1:26:32
of your plans, and they say neither of you has
1:26:35
a serious plan that is going to solve the fact
1:26:38
that Medicare is going to run out of money in
1:26:40
the 2020s, Social Security is going to run out
1:26:42
of money in the 2030s, and at that time, recipients
1:26:46
are going to take huge cuts on their benefits.
1:26:48
So, in effect, the final question I want to ask
1:26:51
you in this regard is, and let me start with
1:26:53
you, Mr. Trump. Would President Trump make a
1:26:56
deal to save Medicare and Social Security that
1:26:59
included both tax increases and benefit cuts,
1:27:02
in effect, a grand bargain on entitlements? I'm
1:27:05
cutting taxes. We're going to grow the economy.
1:27:08
It's going to grow at a record rate. But that's
1:27:09
not going to help on entitlements. It's going
1:27:11
to totally help you. And one thing we have to
1:27:13
do, repeal and replace the disaster known as
1:27:17
Obamacare. It's destroying our country. It's
1:27:20
destroying our businesses, our small business
1:27:22
and our big businesses. We have to repeal and
1:27:25
replace Obamacare. You take a look at the kind
1:27:29
of numbers that that will cost us in the year
1:27:31
17. It is a disaster if we don't repeal and replace.
1:27:36
Now, it's probably going to die of its own weight,
1:27:38
but Obamacare has to go. The premiums are going
1:27:42
up 60, 70, 80 percent. Next year, they're going
1:27:45
to go up over 100 percent. and i'm really glad
1:27:49
that the premiums have started at least the people
1:27:51
see what's happening because she wants to keep
1:27:54
obamacare and she wants to make it even worse
1:27:56
and it can't get any worse bad health care at
1:28:00
the most expensive price we have to repeal and
1:28:02
replace obamacare and secretary clinton same
1:28:06
question because at this point social security
1:28:08
and medicare are going to run out the trust funds
1:28:11
are going to run out of money will you as president
1:28:13
entertain will you consider a grand bargain,
1:28:17
a deal that includes both tax increases and benefit
1:28:21
cuts to try to save both programs. Well, Chris,
1:28:24
I am on record as saying that we need to put
1:28:27
more money into the Social Security Trust Fund.
1:28:29
That's part of my commitment to raise taxes on
1:28:33
the wealthy. My Social Security payroll... contribution
1:28:37
will go up, as will Donald's, assuming he can't
1:28:40
figure out how to get out of it. But what we
1:28:42
want to do is to replenish the Social Security
1:28:45
Trust Fund by making sure that we have sufficient
1:28:49
resources. And that will come from either raising
1:28:53
the cap and or finding other ways to get more
1:28:55
money into it. I will not cut benefits. I want
1:28:59
to enhance benefits for low -income workers and
1:29:02
for women who have been disadvantaged by the
1:29:05
current Social Security system. But what Donald
1:29:08
is proposing with these massive tax cuts will
1:29:11
result in a $20 trillion additional national
1:29:15
debt. That will have dire consequences for Social
1:29:19
Security and Medicare. And I'll say something
1:29:21
about the Affordable Care Act, which he wants
1:29:22
to repeal. The Affordable Care Act extended the
1:29:26
solvency of the Medicare trust fund. So if he
1:29:29
repeals it, our Medicare problem gets worse.
1:29:31
What we need to do is go after the long -term
1:29:34
health care drivers. We've got to get costs down,
1:29:38
increase value, emphasize wellness. I have a
1:29:41
plan for doing that, and I think that we will
1:29:43
be able to get entitlement spending. under control
1:29:46
by with more resources and smarter decisions.
1:29:48
This is the final time, probably to both of your
1:29:51
delight, that you're going to be on stage together
1:29:53
in this campaign. I would like to end it on a
1:29:56
positive note. You had not agreed to closing
1:30:01
statements, but it seems to me in a funny way
1:30:03
that might make it more interesting because you
1:30:05
haven't prepared closing statements. So I'd like
1:30:07
you each to take it. We're going to put a clock
1:30:09
up a minute as the final question and the final
1:30:12
debate to tell the American people. why they
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should elect you to be the next president. This
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is another new mini segment. Secretary Clinton,
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it's your turn to go first. Well, I would like
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to say to everyone watching tonight that I'm
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reaching out to all Americans, Democrats, Republicans
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and independents, because we need everybody to
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help make our country what it should be, to grow
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the economy, to make it fairer, to make it work
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for everyone. We need your talents, your skills,
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your commitment, your energy, your ambition.
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You know, I've been privileged to see the presidency
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up close and I know the awesome responsibility
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of protecting our country and the incredible
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opportunity of working to try to make life better
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for all of you. I have made the cause of children
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and families really my life's work. That's what
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my mission will be in the presidency. I will
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stand up for families, against powerful interests,
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against corporations. I will do everything that
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I can to make sure that you have good jobs with
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rising incomes, that your kids have good educations
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from preschool through college. I hope you will
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give me a chance to serve as your president.
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Secretary Clinton, thank you. Mr. Trump? She's
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raising the money from the people she wants to
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control. It doesn't work that way. But when I
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started this campaign, I started it very strongly.
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It's called Make America Great Again. We're going
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to make America great. We have a depleted military.
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It has to be helped. It has to be fixed. We have
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the greatest people on earth in our military.
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We don't take care of our veterans. We take care
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of illegal immigrants, people that come into
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the country illegally, better than we take care
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of our vets. That can't happen. Our policemen
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and women are disrespected. We need law and order,
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but we need justice, too. Our inner cities are
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a disaster. You get shot walking to the store.
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They have no education. They have no jobs. I
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will do more for African -Americans and Latinos
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than she can ever do in 10 lifetimes. All she's
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done is talk to the African -Americans and to
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the Latinos. But they get the vote and then they
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come back. They say, we'll see you in four years.
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We are going to make America strong again and
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we are going to make America great again. And
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it has to start now. We cannot take. Four more
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years of Barack Obama, and that's what you get
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when you get her. Thank you both. Secretary Clinton,
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hold on just a moment, folks. Secretary Clinton,
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Mr. Trump, I want to thank you both for participating
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in all three of these debates. That brings to
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an end this year's debate sponsored by the Commission
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on Presidential Debates. We want to thank the
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University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and its students
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for having us. Now the decision is up to you.
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While millions have already voted, Election Day,
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November 8th, is just 20 days away. One thing
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everyone here can agree on, we hope you will
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go vote. It is one of the honors and obligations
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of living in this great country. Thank you, and
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good night.