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The Kenny Report | 13 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for what'll be a busy budget
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  Speaker 2: week here on the Kenny Report. We certainly won't be
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  Speaker 2: ignoring the budget, but tonight I'll be dilving into our
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  Speaker 2: national shame over how the alb and Easy Labor government
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  Speaker 2: has turned its back on Israel and given the terrorists
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  Speaker 2: of Hummas a political win. I'll explain why this alone
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  Speaker 2: means this government must go, and I'll speak to Julian
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  Speaker 2: Lisa and to Dave Sharma. Also, three more boats intercepted
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  Speaker 2: as the border security mess grows, The case for nuclear
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  Speaker 2: energy gets a hearing as energy costs continue to mount,
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  Speaker 2: and one state acts to ban kids from social media.
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  Speaker 1: Well done, but how will it work? So much to
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  Speaker 1: get through?
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  Speaker 2: With Paul Murray, Sophie Osworth, Gematon Uni and Caroline Drusso too,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into it. I have never felt more ashamed
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  Speaker 2: of an Australian government's actions. Even though we predicted it
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  Speaker 2: here on Thursday night with former Labor MP Michael Danby,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed impossible to comprehend the way the Albanezi Labor government.
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  Speaker 2: On Friday night, our time in New York abandoned Israel,
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  Speaker 2: rewarded bloodthirsty terrorists, shamed our nation and further exposed us
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  Speaker 2: to the risks of Islamist extremism. Is really a new low,
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  Speaker 2: and it demonstrates in its own right why this government
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  Speaker 2: just has to go. Yes, it's guilty of many other
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  Speaker 2: sins the usual sins of the left, runaway spending and
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  Speaker 2: the expansion of government in the usual ways of the
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  Speaker 2: Democratic socialists, the intensification of our energy crisis, hurting working
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  Speaker 2: families in an effort to appease the climate goals of
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations, and displaying the left sendemic weakness of
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  Speaker 2: course on border protection and national security. Short I call
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  Speaker 2: this stuff out day after day. But this lily livid
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  Speaker 2: stand in the United Nations that had US voting against
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  Speaker 2: Israel and against the US, but with Russia, with China,
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  Speaker 2: with North Korea, with Iran, as well as with the
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  Speaker 2: whole swathe of so called non aligned and Muslim nations.
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  Speaker 2: This takes Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong's behavior to a
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  Speaker 2: whole new low. This shames us as a nation, and
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  Speaker 2: it shames all of those living or dead who have
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  Speaker 2: had faith in this country standing up for freedom for democracy,
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  Speaker 2: for the rule of law and for decency. Even the UK,
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  Speaker 2: where as we saw last week, Islamist candidates are starting
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  Speaker 2: to take power in local government elections. The UK had
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  Speaker 2: the courage at least to abstain in this vote, like
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  Speaker 2: the Netherlands, like Sweden. Even Canada, the painfully woke nation
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  Speaker 2: of Canada, had the sense to abstain. But we voted
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  Speaker 2: yes with Saudi Arabia, with Qatar, with Pakistan, with Iran,
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  Speaker 2: Russia and China. Oh, and yes with France. Are we
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  Speaker 2: supposed to console ourselves by noting we lined up with France,
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  Speaker 2: a weak nation whose population has so often paid a
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  Speaker 2: high price for that weakness.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be very clear here. Let's join the dots. What's changed?
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  Speaker 2: What has led Australia to Australia abandoning Israel and suggesting
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  Speaker 2: that Palestine can be treated as a country, even before
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  Speaker 2: it negotiates borders, even before it has a functioning leadership,
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  Speaker 2: even before it provides security guarantees to Israel, even before
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  Speaker 2: it establishes the rule of law and a viable path
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  Speaker 2: to two state solution. What has changed is October seventh,
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  Speaker 2: this vote at the United Nations, and this sickening backflip
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  Speaker 2: by Australia by Albani, Easy and Wong in the name
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  Speaker 2: of Australia is a direct reward to the evil Islamist
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  Speaker 2: extremist terrorists of Hummas for the atrocity they committed on
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  Speaker 2: October the seventh, the greatest single massacre of Jewish people
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  Speaker 2: since the Holocaust has delivered a political reward for Hummas.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's statement at the UN pretended this was a repudiation
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  Speaker 2: of Hummas because Hummas will never accept two states. It's
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  Speaker 2: pledged to the annihilation of Israel. But Hummas has run
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  Speaker 2: Gaza for almost two decades. Israel completely withdrew in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and five, pulled out its own settlers, left Gaza
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  Speaker 2: to the Palestinians, and Hummas was elected to run the
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  Speaker 2: Joint the same terrorist group that now extends the war
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza, hiding among the civilian population, the people it
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  Speaker 2: uses as involuntary human shields. Who else can lead Gaza
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  Speaker 2: and who leads the West Bank? The Palestinian authority? Futtah,
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  Speaker 2: what's their plan? Where's their security guarantee for Israel? Yet,
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong says recognition can somehow come before peace.
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  Speaker 3: This vote is not about whether Australia recognizes Palestine. We
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  Speaker 3: will do that when we think the time is right.
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  Speaker 3: What we would say and what I do say is
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  Speaker 3: Australia no longer believes that recognition can only come at
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  Speaker 3: the end of a peace process. It occur as part
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  Speaker 3: of a peace process.
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wang, Australia's argument is practically nonsensical. A two state
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  Speaker 2: solution surely is further away today than it has been
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  Speaker 2: for decades, precisely because of October the seventh. The argument
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  Speaker 2: put by Wong is also morally repugnant because it rewards terrorism,
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  Speaker 2: It advances the Palestinian cause on the back of the
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  Speaker 2: Hummus atrocities, and it's dangerous for global and national security
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  Speaker 2: for the same reason, because when you reward terrorism, you
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  Speaker 2: invite more of the same. Let me remind you again
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  Speaker 2: of what Australia and the UN has rewarded. Let me
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  Speaker 2: remind you about some of the detail of what was
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  Speaker 2: done on October the seventh, when Hamas murdered twelve hundred
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  Speaker 2: people men, women and children, kidnapped two hundred and fifty,
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  Speaker 2: and raped and wounded hundreds more.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is disturbing viewing again, it comes.
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  Speaker 2: From the documentary I told you about last week, Screams
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  Speaker 2: before silence.
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  Speaker 4: Let's man called abe for this, Michel, but look about
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  Speaker 4: them care.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay, Yeah, the horror among those trees, we had
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  Speaker 2: to edit that down. The film relays more detail that's
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  Speaker 2: just too horrific for television at this time of day.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at the full documentary on YouTube if
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  Speaker 2: you can. And yes, those trees turned into instruments of torture,
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  Speaker 2: rape and murder. They're gum trees, Australian eucalypse that you see.
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  Speaker 1: Planted all over Israel.
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  Speaker 2: But Australia now has abandoned Israel as a result of
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  Speaker 2: that atrocity committed against Israel. We've rewarded Hamas and punished Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Ponder that for a moment. Ponder out what that says
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  Speaker 2: about Australian values at Australia's place in history. This sickens me.
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  Speaker 2: This is why this government simply has to go. They've
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  Speaker 2: tarnished us all and I've offered an enticement to terrorists.
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  Speaker 2: And when you ponder why they did it, the nausea
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  Speaker 2: really kicks in. They didn't do it for strategic necessity.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't do it for reasons of foreign policy consistency.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't even do it as a misguided way to
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  Speaker 2: encourage peace in the Middle East. They did it for
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  Speaker 2: base political reasons to lock in the votes of large
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  Speaker 2: Muslim communities in crucial seats in southwestern Sydney and in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: and to help fend off the Greens in seats like
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi's himself and Tanger Plebuss in Inner Sydney. They've
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  Speaker 2: traded Australia's support for Israel and our stance against terrorism
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  Speaker 2: for votes in crucial labour seats, selling out our national interest,
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  Speaker 2: selling out Israel and providing comfort to the Islamist terrorist
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  Speaker 2: groups for the sake of narrowly targeted votes in domestic politics.
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  Speaker 2: It's that transactional, it's that morally repugnant, and it's that
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  Speaker 2: dangerous for our nation. And imagine what it does to
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  Speaker 2: the Jewish Australian community. Imagine how it heightens their fear,
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  Speaker 2: their vulnerability in the here and now.
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  Speaker 1: Let me remind you.
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  Speaker 2: About some of the people Australia has abandoned. Let me
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  Speaker 2: remind you about the Bibas family. Here is Mother Shiri
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  Speaker 2: in terror as she and her baby boy's Kafir and Ariol,
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  Speaker 2: are taken as hostages by Hummas on October the seventh.
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  Speaker 2: The boy's father was killed, as were their grand grandparents,
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  Speaker 2: but that mother and her two sons were taken back
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  Speaker 2: to Gaza. They were confirmed alive by other hostages three
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  Speaker 2: months later, but are now unaccounted for more than seven
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  Speaker 2: months on this mother and her two beautiful boys either
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  Speaker 2: dead or still held as hostages, And while they and
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  Speaker 2: others endure that torture, while we wait to learn their fate,
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  Speaker 2: Australia has helped to give Hummas a public relations win,
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  Speaker 2: a political.
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  Speaker 1: Win at the United Nations.
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  Speaker 2: It's unthinkable I put this badge on air, as many
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  Speaker 2: of you would have seen on the six month anniversary
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  Speaker 2: of October the seventh, saying I'd leave it on till
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  Speaker 2: all the hostages were freed. But our government can't wait
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  Speaker 2: to move on. It puts no pressure on Hummus. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: it puts pressure on Israel and holds out ridiculous hope
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  Speaker 2: of a two state solution, while Hummas still holds hostages
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  Speaker 2: and prolongs an horrific war. The only sign of hope
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  Speaker 2: in Labor is that one serving MP Melbourne, Jewish member
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  Speaker 2: for McNamara, Josh Burns, has broken ranks and publicly declared
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  Speaker 2: his own government should have abstained in this vote, and
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  Speaker 2: former soldier and Defense material Minister Mike Kelly, who heads
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  Speaker 2: up Labour Friends of Israel, agrees.
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  Speaker 5: We feel it been better to abstain on this vote,
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  Speaker 5: as twenty five other countries did, than to be in
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  Speaker 5: the company of the UK, Canada and the US.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of voices of sanity and decency, but
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  Speaker 2: they're given short shrift by what's now a shameless government.
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  Speaker 2: We can't afford to have a national government that's prepared
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  Speaker 2: to play so fast and loosed with matters of substance
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  Speaker 2: and matters of national security and morality. We can't afford
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  Speaker 2: to have a national government that's prepared to roll over
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  Speaker 2: on the very values this nation is supposed to promote
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  Speaker 2: and uphold. They're unfit to govern, They're unworthy of this
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  Speaker 2: great nation.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Despite the horrors of Hummas and the reality of this
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  Speaker 2: terrible conflict, the gormless university protests continue around the world.
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  Speaker 2: The latest is at Duke University in North Carolina, where
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  Speaker 2: dozens of students staged or war lookout because the graduation
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  Speaker 2: address was to be given by comedian Jerry Seinfeld, ostensibly
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  Speaker 2: because he supports Israel, but obviously it's also because he
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  Speaker 2: happens to be Jewish. It's all odious, of course, and pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: These protests know nothing of the issues involved. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even greater Tumberg has joined the anti Israel protests.
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  Speaker 1: What hamas are into renewable energy? Now it's insane and.
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  Speaker 2: Just protest for protest's sake, Still any speech.
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  Speaker 1: At least Seinfeld had some good life advice.
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  Speaker 6: Not enough of life makes sense for you to be
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  Speaker 6: able to survive it without humor. And I know all
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  Speaker 6: of you here are going to use all of your
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  Speaker 6: brains and muscle and soul to improve the world. And
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  Speaker 6: I know you're going to do a bang up job.
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  Speaker 6: And when you're done, as I am now, I bet
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  Speaker 6: the world because of you will be a much better place.
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  Speaker 6: But it will still not make a whole hell of
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  Speaker 6: a lot of sense. It'll be a better, different, but
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  Speaker 6: still pretty insane mess. And it is worth the sacrifice
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  Speaker 6: of an occasional discomfort to have some laughs. Don't lose that,
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  Speaker 6: even if it's at the cost of occasional hard feelings.
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  Speaker 6: It's okay, you gotta laugh. That is the one thing
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  Speaker 6: at the end of your life you will not wish
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  Speaker 6: you did less of humor is the most powerful, most
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  Speaker 6: survival essential quality you will ever have or need to
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  Speaker 6: navigate through the human experience. The other thing I see
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  Speaker 6: going on that throws a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we sure could all do with a laugh, that
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  Speaker 2: is for sure, Jerry Seinfeld. Let's bring in liberal MP
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  Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, who joins us live from camera.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Julian, look as thanks Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Some are very experienced in these issues, and as a
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Australian.
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  Speaker 1: You must see now that what has been a long.
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  Speaker 2: Stand bipartisan position on support for Israel and two state
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  Speaker 2: solution for the Middle East, that's gone now by partisanship
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  Speaker 2: has been shredded, surely by this vote at the UN
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  Speaker 2: last Friday night.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I didn't disagree with a single word you said
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  Speaker 5: in your editorial, Chris, I think this is a shameful
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  Speaker 5: day in the history of Australian foreign policy. Our foreign
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  Speaker 5: policy should be based on our values. We are a
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  Speaker 5: Western liberal democracy.
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  Speaker 1: We believe in the rule of law.
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  Speaker 5: Those are the things which should shape our foreign policy.
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  Speaker 5: And yet by the Labor government's actions inciding with terrorists
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  Speaker 5: in this motion, they have undermined those values and they've
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  Speaker 5: basically said that they would favor those who've chosen the
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  Speaker 5: pathway of violence and terrorism over those who would choose
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  Speaker 5: the pathway of negotiation and peace. We used to have
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  Speaker 5: a bipartisan position in relation to Israel. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that position exists anymore. This has not been about foreign policy.
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  Speaker 5: This has been about grubby dimiss policy that has more
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  Speaker 5: to do with Graindler than Gaza. And all this does
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  Speaker 5: is in bold in the anti Semitic protests we are
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  Speaker 5: seeing on our university campuses and disappoints our allies around
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  Speaker 5: the world.
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  Speaker 2: This is when I get your thoughts on because this
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  Speaker 2: is what really worries me.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, this rewards terrorism.
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong's try and tries to argue this repudiates Humas.
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  Speaker 2: Humas will be celebrating this. This sort of voting at
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations is win beneath their wings, and it
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  Speaker 2: will also give a lot of sucker to as you say,
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  Speaker 2: protesters here and Islamis extremists who as we know, have
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  Speaker 2: allegedly been active in our midst just in recent times.
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  Speaker 2: This obviously not only is diplomatically in terms of values
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  Speaker 2: and morality, the wrong decision. Doesn't it endanger national and
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  Speaker 2: global security?
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  Speaker 1: I think it does, Chris.
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  Speaker 5: This motion has come in the context of the worst
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  Speaker 5: terrorist attack ever committed against the Jewish people since the
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  Speaker 5: foundation of.
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  Speaker 1: The State of Israeli.
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  Speaker 5: Twelve hundred innocent people were murdered, where you had rapes
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  Speaker 5: and maiming of bodies, where you had people taken hostages,
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  Speaker 5: hostages which still are not released, which this motion did
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  Speaker 5: not mention. This nation did not mention Hamas and the
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  Speaker 5: terror attacks. But it comes hot on the heels of
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  Speaker 5: those attacks, and it changes the status of Palestine as
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  Speaker 5: a result of this, as a result of those particular
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  Speaker 5: terror attacks. It doesn't send us down the path of
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  Speaker 5: peace and the path of a lasting two state solution
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  Speaker 5: is where all the actors, all the Palestinian actors, recognize
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  Speaker 5: Israel's right to exist and where they achieved state with
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  Speaker 5: two people and two states living peacefully side by side
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  Speaker 5: through negotiation. All this says is that Australia is prepared
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  Speaker 5: to stand with and I should say the Australian Labor
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  Speaker 5: Party because it's not me. I don't stand with this,
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  Speaker 5: and I think most Australian states stand with this. But
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  Speaker 5: the Australian Labor Party is prepared to stand with those
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  Speaker 5: who had used violent means in order to achieve their aims.
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  Speaker 5: And that's not just bad for the people of Israel
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  Speaker 5: or for Jewish people, it is bad for peaceful, freedom
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  Speaker 5: loving people right around the world.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 2: It is just so shameful. But there's nothing that could
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  Speaker 2: be done to repair this. Now this has happened, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Comes on back of it comes on back of the
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  Speaker 1: Labor government also pulling away.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's are retreating from our position that the capital should
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  Speaker 2: be in Jerusalem. So there's a significant shift here by
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  Speaker 2: Labor away from supporting Israel and taking a decision that
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  Speaker 2: gives Succa to terrorists. The only way to deal with
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  Speaker 2: it is to change the government and re establish the
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  Speaker 2: settings that have guided the Australian foreign policy on these
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  Speaker 2: issues for many, many decades.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Chris, there's only one party in this Parliament that
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  Speaker 5: will stand with the State of Israel, that will stand
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  Speaker 5: for Western liberal values, that will stand for democracy and
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  Speaker 5: the rule of law, and that is the Liberal and
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  Speaker 5: National parties. The Labor Party have demonstrated.
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  Speaker 1: That they are incapable of doing so.
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  Speaker 5: Chris, It's worthwhile remembering before the last election, senior Labor
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  Speaker 5: figures told the Jewish community in articles in the Jewish
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  Speaker 5: News that there was no difference between Labor and the
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  Speaker 5: Coalition on Israel. And that was the biggest lie that
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  Speaker 5: they have ever told, because even before the seventh of October,
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  Speaker 5: we saw Labor backing away for Jerusalem as the capital
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  Speaker 5: of Israel, Labour doing bad things in the United Nations
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  Speaker 5: and voting against Israel, Labor restoring funding to UNRA, and
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  Speaker 5: as we've seen what happened with UNRA where there were
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  Speaker 5: several of its employees involved in the seventh of October
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  Speaker 5: attacks and UNRA headquarters were used in order to be
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  Speaker 5: a serious headquarters for Hamas during the course of their operations.
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  Speaker 5: Every occasion, on every occasion when Labor has had the
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to stand with the Jewish community of Australia and
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  Speaker 5: the State of Israel or back other interests, they've chosen
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  Speaker 5: not to stand with the Jewish community and the State
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  Speaker 5: of Israel.
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  Speaker 1: And that felt you shameful.
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  Speaker 2: It is indeed, I'll dig those articles out because what
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  Speaker 2: you've outlined there again is another broken promise by this government.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Julian, Julian, Lisa there with the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition a proud memory of the Australian Jewish community. But
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  Speaker 2: what he says there, I'm afraid I feel it in
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  Speaker 2: my very bones. Is a very very sad and worrying
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  Speaker 2: day for this country where our government takes a decision
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  Speaker 2: which will be welcomed by those terrorists in hummus. Now
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  Speaker 2: we better start talking a bit about the economy and
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  Speaker 2: Budget week two and energy costs should play get plenty
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  Speaker 2: of attention of course in Budget week as later, struggling
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  Speaker 2: with electricity price supplies and costs. And we still wait
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  Speaker 2: more details of course on the coalition's nuclear energy plans.
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  Speaker 2: And the Australian Nuclear Associations held a Navigating Nuclear conference
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney today. President of Women in Nuclear Jasmin Dan
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  Speaker 2: told me what it's all about.
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  Speaker 7: Today we're hosting a one day workshop called Navigating Nuclear
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  Speaker 7: which was real centered around removing the politics from the
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  Speaker 7: nuclear discussion. So we have nuclear professionals from the US,
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  Speaker 7: from Finland here in Australia, all sharing their knowledge and
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  Speaker 7: expertise on how nuclear works in an energy system, and
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  Speaker 7: so we've spent the morning thus far talking through what
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  Speaker 7: nuclear energy is, whether it's safe, how it works, and
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  Speaker 7: then how it will supplement an Australian grid in our
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  Speaker 7: current decarbonization targets. We've got about sixty people here which
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  Speaker 7: come from all bussets of the Australian community, and we've
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  Speaker 7: really had a great engaging chat about nuclear There.
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  Speaker 2: Must be a sense that Australia's attitude to nuclear energy
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  Speaker 2: is changing. Of course we've always had the researcher and
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  Speaker 2: health reactor at Lucas Heights, but even if you put
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  Speaker 2: aside the political debate about our energy needs, of course
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  Speaker 2: going to Orcus and nuclear powered submarines dramatically change is
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the game here in Australia into the future.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely does.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: And I say that Australia's nuclear literacy is quite low.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: The Orchest decision has allowed us to talk about nuclear
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: and so it's been really great here having people engaged
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: in asking some of the technical questions and understanding what
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: is peaceful nuclear technology and how does it benefit us
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: today and how can it benefit us in the future,
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: and what those opportunities are okay.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So we've got an energy crisis in Australia. There's no
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: escaping that. The transitions to transition to renewables is going
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: terribly of course, because we've got a shortage of energy
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: at times, and also our electricity is much more expensive
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: than it's ever been, and so governments are trying to
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: deal with this.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: The federal government's going to be handing out more money
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Federal budget this week to sort of compensate people for
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the higher power prices they're having to deal with. So
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: everyone knows that pushes on to decarbonize, nuclear does that,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: but can nuclear energy do.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: That in a cost effective way?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Can it actually keep our energy prices lower, get them
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: lower than they have been, while also reducing those emissions.
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: So the economics of nuclear are often the issue that
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: people have, and I'll be honest with you, the upfront
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: capital costs of nuclear are high, but the operating costs
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: long term and the cost of fuel are so low
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: that you reap the benefits of a nuclear system over
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: the lifetime of its power supply. And there are examples
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: a great example recently out of Finland whose power plant
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: program went over time over budget, but they're now actually
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: getting the benefits economically from operating that power plant, and
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: the cost of energy does come down. It's just we
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: want to save money right now, right here, right now.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Nuclear is a long term game, and it's about how
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: do we do this over fifty sixty, seventy years, not
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: over five years.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Well that's the big that's the big challenges.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And politicians only think into the two or three year
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: terms and investors maybe ten years, fifteen years. But this
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: is a decision where you if you build plants they
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: will last seventy five to eighty years without having to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: be replaced in that period.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Renewable kit has to be replaced two or three times.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, and that's what a lot of this
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: discussion today has been centered around. It is what is
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: the long term plan with nuclear? How have countries that
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: currently have nuclear power programs benefited from that? And so
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: we can see both the carbon emission reduction, but it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: not as well the economic benefits of long term nuclear
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: investment and not short term, short sighted investments in energy systems.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, glad to hear the discussion is ongoing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Jasmine.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: Thank you so much.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Coming up next the terrific Gematon Union Carols. We'll talk
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: about boats and the budget, plus South Australia considering banning
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and children from social media.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't we all do that?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: That's make sense of this crazy world with Gematon UNI
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: from GT Communications on the desk here with me and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in Perth we're joined by the Royal Report host Caroline
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: dur also good to talk to.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You both of you. We've got to talk about the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: border situation.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: You're close to it there in the West Carrow were
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: three boats detected just in the last week now six
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: all up.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Numbers of asylum seekers make it all the way to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the mainland.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Denial of any dramas here from the federal government.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But this is very, very worrying.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: Of course, it's worrying, and it's worrying for the voters
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: in the electorate up in the northern part of the
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: country because you know, they feel very exposed. And the
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: fact of the matter is every single boatload of people
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: that arrives in Australia, they arrive on our north shore.
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: Those ones were up near Broom just shows that the
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: government is asleep at the wheel. We had a perfectly
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: good policy that was in place that has served this
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: country very well for the last decade. And Anthony Albanesi
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: likes to pretend that he kept operations sovereign borders in
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: place as he did, but he didn't and we all
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: know that because he didn't keep the temporary protection visas.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: And now we are seeing the startup of the trade
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: like we always knew that we were going to see,
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: and it is happening. And the government doesn't want to
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: talk about this because it is a weak spot for them.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: It is something that has not served them well, particularly
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: in the past. And we'll remember back to the rud
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: Gillard Rudd days, the absolute disaster we had then. Okay,
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: there are numbers that are trickling in at the moment,
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: but those people, smugglers are testing this government and it's
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: been worth their efforts so far.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are testing. We've all seen this move before.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: It worries me greatly, Jemma. And this is why Peter
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Dutton smart to say at the moment that if you
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: want these new laws to try and figure up the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: immigration detention system, then put back TPVs, put back operations
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: sovereign boarders as it was.
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: Well, it speaks to something more broadly that is applicable
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: across every area of the Albanesi government. Unfortunately, and that
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: is there is a lack of accountability, but also a
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: lack of consequences, so people arrive here there are no consequences.
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: Universities have descended into this health side of anti Semitism,
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: where Jewish students are being treated the way that we
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: have seen. There are no consequences. Universities are for the
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: most part tolerating this. There are no consequences. This is
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: a government that wants to cuddle and word salad its
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: way out of everything. It wanting to dress cost of
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: living in a meaningful way respectfully. Mister Chalmers does a
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: little piece to camera out the front of Parliament House
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: at dusk holding a coffee cup and expects Middle Australia
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: to say, oh, everything will be okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: We're not stupid.
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: We don't know how much our energy bills have gone
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: up by I'm paying the mister Chalmers isn't paying my bills.
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: So this is just another example of this government either
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: unwilling or incapable of putting consequences. It's like they've got
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: at fifteen. It's like it's like parenting a fifteen year
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: old kid and having them arrested for you know, for
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: aggravated assault, and punishing them by buying them a new car.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, no consequences, no tough decisions.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Let's stay on the budget.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Here's what the Prime Minister had to say about tomorrow's
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: budget today.
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: No one left behind is why we are making sure
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: that we take these cost of living measures in order
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: to provide assistance for people who need it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: All right, they're the good guys, now care because they're
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: handing out money cost The whole point was they were
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: supposed to get the cost of living down. They said
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that they would get inflation down and they will get
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: electricity prices down. They haven't been able to do that,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: so they're going to spend more money trying to to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: help people out with the cost of living. Isn't that
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just going to drive inflation higher?
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: But you listen to the Prime Minister and you can
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: tell from watching that clip he doesn't even believe his
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: own BS. I'm not sure why he expects the rest
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: of the country to believe it. I mean, there was
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: no authority there, there was no confidence. There was someone
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: tell me what my TP is and just let me
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: trot it out and hopefully I'll walk out of this
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: press conference in one piece. The fact of the matter is,
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: and you will remember this from before the twenty twenty
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: two federal election, big tough talk about we are going
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: to go through the budget line by line blaody blah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: YadA YadA, and about how they were going to be
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: spending under control. There has been none of that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: There has been an.
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: Increase in the operational spending in the budget. That's not
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: just the one off things where we spend a bit
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: of money here, a bit of money there, but that
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: baked in spending that has gone up. Chalmers says, there's
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: going to be more cost of living relief.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Well, guess what.
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: The states are also coming out with their budgets and
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: they're having.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: More cost of living relief.
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: So there is money being thrown around everywhere. Rebates on
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: gas bills and you know, cash handouts for kids going
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: back to school, all those sorts of things. That is
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: all new money into the economy, and that all drives inflation.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: The other thing that which Jim Chalmers won't tell us,
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: and he got asked the question last week at press club,
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: was how much off budget spending is there in all
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: these pet projects that their mates in the superannuation industry
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: a bank rolling because it might not be on the books,
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: but it is still new borrowing and new money going
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: into the economy, and all of that adds up and
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: you sadly for the Premierre, sadly sorry for the Treasurer.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Whether it's state government spending, federal government spending, or off
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: or off budget spending, he is going to be the
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: person who's going to wear the consequences of that because
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: the Australian people expect him to be the one who
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: keep it under control.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it all feeds in there, as you say,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: it's all being pumped into the Economy's all feeding the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: inflation east And this brings us Gemma to the situation
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: where the Reserve Bank says inflation does look like being
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: below three percent for another year, yet the budget tomorrow
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: is going.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: To say is going to be below three percent by
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the end of this year. There are completely odds with
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: Well, Chris, I can say that I am going to
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: model for Victoria's secret in July doesn't mean it's going
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: to happen. The Premier can say whatever he wants. The
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: Premier has no real life experience in the real economy.
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: The Premier, sorry, the Treasurer, pardon my mistake. The Treasurer
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: is a career politician, a career academic, a career party
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: person who has never worked in the real economy. So
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: please excuse me for taking the Reserve Bank's view and
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: external experienced views on where the economy is likely to go.
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: It's a case again of this government. I don't know
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: what planet they're on. I genuinely don't. It's almost like
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: they're saying, how can we reduce our chances of getting
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: real life.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Did well exactly what it says to me, though, Jemmy,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I'd love to get your thoughts on this. I wonder
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: when they're talking in these terms, whether we're not looking
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: at an election later this year, because so much of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: this will so quickly become unraveled earlier than New Year.
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: Well, I think others will have a more informed view
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: than I do on the timing of things. But I
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: think they are damned if they do, and they damned
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: if they don't, because if they go early, they're going
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: to look desperate and there's enough pressure forget cost of
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: I mean, don't forget cost of living pressure. There's enough
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: cost of living pressure plus the social absolute dissolution of
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: our social cohesion that falls squarely in the lap of
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: this government. There is no one else to blame. Nobody
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: else is responsible for that. So the longer that they
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: hold out, the worse it's going to be for them.
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: If they go early, they are going to look desperate,
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: because they are no doubt desperate.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Two other things I got to get too quickly. I
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: want to finish with Carro, so I'll give this one
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to you, Jemma. First up, that's Peter malanowskis the Labor
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Premier in South Australia. He wants to stop kids getting
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: onto social media till they're fourteen.
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: Is my government's objective to ban access two major social
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: media platforms for all children under the age of fourteen,
• 32:13
  Speaker 11: and then for fourteen and fifteen year olds they should
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: require parentalic consent before they can get access.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good idea. How's he going to make it happen?
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's the devil's always in the detail. But
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: as a policy position and as a line in the sand,
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: I say bravo to that Labor premiere. Good on him,
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: and may it happen.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see if he can make it work. I
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: think other states will want to follow suit.
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: Cara.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on the live sheep
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: export industry, and that's big in the West, It's been
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: big for this country for a long while. Yet Labours,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: seemingly out of nowhere, have just said this is another
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: industry that they're just going to get rid of completely,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: just phase it out.
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: Well, it's one of those things that this labor government
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: is using to a piece that's left flank, and it's
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: very very clear that that is the this is a
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: state of the art industry. And even Murray what is
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: on the record in the Senate for saying that. So
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying anythingtely that's out of school. Prior to
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: the last election they said that they were going to
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: phase it out. Then there was a big backlash in
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: w Way in the fifth of May, right before the election,
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: they go, oh, no, sorry, we're not going to do that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: And then shortly after the election was over and they
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: were in its back on the agenda, they had some
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: pretend rubbish independent inquiry which you know, did not have
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: significant consultational, significant representation from the industry. Itself and then
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: all of a sudden, in the same twelve hours that
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: there was that shameful vote vote in the UN on Palestine, Murray,
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: what arrives in way to deliver that piece of news. Now,
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister was in Western Australia that week, didn't even.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Know, didn't announce it when he was there.
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: They were going to do that, and they're trying to
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: get rid of one hundred million dollar industry livelihoods in
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: Western Australia, which hinge on that industry to appease the left,
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: and which came out today. The Animal Justice Party announced
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: on its website that confirming the date for the phase
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: out of that trade was part of the preference deal
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: for Dunkley.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's as transactional as that shocking stuff.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and Gemen. Will catch up
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: with you next week.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I've got to get onto the break because on the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: other side, I'll catch up with Paul Murray plus a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Liberal senator and former Ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, on
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: this horrendous decision of the government's voting in favor of
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Palestine's full membership eventually the UN. Now, I want to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: go back to this despicable decision by Australia in our name,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: by the alban EASi labor government with its UN vote
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that abandons Israel and rewards the terrorists of Hummas. We
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: predicted it here on Thursday night with Michael Danbi. I
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: found it hard to believe that Australia would do this.
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: But we have.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I think it shames our nation.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I think it invites more terrorism, and I think it
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: demonstrates the Albanese labor government has got to go.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: They are unworthy of this nation.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I caught up with former Australian Ambassador to Israel now
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma and asked him what the reaction
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: will be in Israel.
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: Well, I think they'll be aghast, Chris, I think you know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 13: The last time this issue came up in the UN
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: in twenty twelve, the Labor government had proposed to vote
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: against it. Julia Gillard was rolled in the cabinet by
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: Bob curR and we abstained in it. But to now
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: vote yes for this resolution, not in the company in
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: the United States, not within the United Kingdom, not with Canada,
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: not with Germany in the company instead of Iran and Syria,
• 35:46
  Speaker 13: North Korea, Russia. They will be wondering what direction is
• 35:51
  Speaker 13: Australia taking in its foreign policy under the Albanese government.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: And what does it do?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: What possible upside is there for well, Anthony Albernezi and
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the Labor government and for Australia except for trying to
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: protect some votes in key sets in Australia.
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: Well, I think the only way you can explain this
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: is through domestic politics, Chris, because if you look at
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: our national interests and our foreign policy interests, the only
• 36:18
  Speaker 13: possible lesson you can take out of this vote is
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: that her masts being rewarded for the seventh of October
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: terrorist attacks, that they have moved the cause of Palestinian
• 36:29
  Speaker 13: statehood along by conducting these masatrocities. The resolution doesn't do
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: anything to bring this conflict to an end. It doesn't
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: do anything to encourage our returns and negotiations. It doesn't
• 36:38
  Speaker 13: call for the release of hostages or anything else. It
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: basically says you do this again, Hermas and you'll get
• 36:43
  Speaker 13: a state pretty soon.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: That's a terrible.
• 36:45
  Speaker 13: Message to be sending. And I think the only way
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: you can explain it is Labor is looking at their
• 36:51
  Speaker 13: seat by seat analysis and the thread of the Greens
• 36:53
  Speaker 13: on their left, and they're trying to triangulate between the two.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what I said at the top of
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the show, a ward for terrorism, and it is labor
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: playing domestic politics, selling out our values and our foreign
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: policy in pursuit of those domestic votes. Because surely after
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: October the seventh, a two state solution is further.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Away now that it has been for many, many years.
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: It is further away because a huge amount of trust
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: has been destroyed. You know, to make peace with another
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: country or another entity, you basically need to trust its intentions,
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: trust it to abide by its commitments. That has that
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: level of trust has been drastically eroded by Hamas and
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: the seventh of October attacks. I still have some hope
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: that if Hamas can be defeated, or when Hamas is defeated,
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: and if the Palestinian authority reformed, revitalized, refurbished, can be
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: put in place to govern Gaza, and if the Arab world,
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: the saud Is, the Egyptians of joana Onians can get
• 37:54
  Speaker 13: behind them, there are still the prospects of an Israeli
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: Palestinian settlement. But these are all preconditions that need to
• 38:00
  Speaker 13: be made. You can't go and end run these things
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: with a resolution trying to create a Palestinian state out
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: of thin air, and when Hamas is still the de
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: facto governing entity in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's right.
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  Speaker 2: The optimistic outlook that you portray then that you relay
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  Speaker 2: then of course, is preconditioned on first eliminating Hummas. Now
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: we've seen the threats about what's about to unfold in Rufa.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: We've seen Israel warn the Palestinians, and millions of people
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: have relocated. Hundreds of thousands of people's at least probably
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: more than a million people relocated. Rough appears to be
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: abandoned now. Yet yet America and Australia other countries are
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: saying hold back. I mean, Israel's not going to listen
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  Speaker 2: to that. Surely it's going to go in and try
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  Speaker 2: and take out the Hummas leadership.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think that's how this war is brought to
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: a clothes Chris. I mean Israel's right to self defense,
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: which was made operational by the seventh of October terrorist
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: att extends to the defeat of Hamas. Now, if Hamas
• 39:03
  Speaker 13: is hiding in Ruffa, then Israel's military operations can extend
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: to Ruffer if her Musk is income units, if her
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: mus is in Gaza City. And you know, if you
• 39:11
  Speaker 13: don't want Israel to go into Ruffa, then for Heaven's sake,
• 39:15
  Speaker 13: urge Harmusk to release the hostages, lay down its weapons,
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: SURRENDERUS leadership and the war will be over. This is
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: how this war ends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I just think what the Australian government has
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: done here is I find it so disgusting, so deflating.
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  Speaker 2: I think it shows a government that's unfit and unworthy
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  Speaker 2: to lead this country. Presumably this is an issue even
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: in budget week. The Opposition will pursue this issue, this
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  Speaker 2: foreign policy question in Parliament.
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely we'll be pursuing because it goes to the heart
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  Speaker 13: of our values, It goes to the heart of our
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: foreign policy in a national interest, and it also goes
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: to the heart of our identity as Australian's Chris. You know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: the sorts of decisions and the sorts of leadership or
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: lack of leadership this government has shown on this issue
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  Speaker 13: throughout the past seven months has been astonishing. I mean
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: I never thought I'd see the sorts of decisions be
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: taken that have been taken the sort of language that
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: has been used to be used. This is not a
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  Speaker 13: mainstream labor government or a mainstream center left government.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: This is a left green's.
• 40:21
  Speaker 13: Alliance that we've got in taking positions on issues of
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: our fundamental national interest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, said Dave Sharma. Thanks so much for joining us.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Chris.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Now, as you know, I'll follow up on this issue
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: this weekend forever.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: This is a very important issue.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But also this week going to be focusing a lot
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: on the budget. We won't ignore that, that's for sure.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Join me on the desk now, is Paul Murray getting
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: ready for another bump or.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Show at nine o'clock?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Mate, Look, I reckon all your concerns, all your nightly
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: pushing of the agenda. I reckon it's a it's all
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: going to pay dividends because the PM says he's going
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to fix all our cost of living problems.
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: I feel like that what you need the kid before Christmas,
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: the super fan before the Grand Final, the you know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: the movie fan who can't wait for the end of
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: the trilogy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: Because it's all going to end up Roses right.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: The size and the scope of cost of living as
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: a problem is one where literally you can fill a
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: television show with it every night for two years.
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: Yet their response is that the average tax but not
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: all the average taxpayer best case scenario A little bit here,
• 41:29
  Speaker 14: a little bit there, it's like thirty nine dollars a week.
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: Now. While I'm not going to put those thirty nine
• 41:35
  Speaker 12: dollars a week.
• 41:35
  Speaker 14: But anyone who actually thinks that changes the bar on
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: twelve interest rate rises on the cost of petrol, on
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: the cost of all of all the things that have
• 41:46
  Speaker 14: gone up.
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: While they're kidding themselves or they live in a.
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: Bubble where, like the treasurer does, your car's paid for
• 41:51
  Speaker 14: by the taxpayer, your fuel cards paid for by the taxpayer,
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: and everything else is okay because you earn more than
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: three hundred grand.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a bump of some is this is
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the thing?
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: The electus prices, instead of going backwards by two seventy five,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: have gone up on average by about five hundred. Fuel
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: prices through the roof over two dollars a liter. We're
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: paying usually when you fill up the car. All those
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: interest rate arises of thousands of dollars. We're all paying
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: more on our mortgages. And yet they think they can
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: just throw some more money out it in a budget
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: and we'll say thanks.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: And they tinker with the coalition's tax cuts and they
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: try and get credit for that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: Well and again, what I found, what both of us found,
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: most people watching us right now found egregious about the
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: twenty two election was that every single problem was personal
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: and related back to the prime minister of the day
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: that you know, when petrol went up to a dollar
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: eighty five, there was a need to change the systems
• 42:40
  Speaker 14: at albow it now goes over two bucks.
• 42:43
  Speaker 12: They say nothing, they do nothing.
• 42:44
  Speaker 14: So I think that there's a significant number of people
• 42:47
  Speaker 14: that are always winnable by a government on what they
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: hand out and what they change. But those people also
• 42:53
  Speaker 14: can't be fooled about their circumstances, and no one will
• 42:56
  Speaker 14: be fooled by whatever speech, whatever spin, however they tie
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: to buy ten years or multiplied by the fifty two
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: weeks of the year. The truth is that any objective
• 43:09
  Speaker 14: understanding when you talk to somebody who isn't even engaged
• 43:11
  Speaker 14: in politics, if you said I'll give you forty bucks,
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: what would you say?
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: Thank you?
• 43:16
  Speaker 14: But it's not like you know you've won one hundred
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: grand on a radio contest. It's not like you won
• 43:20
  Speaker 14: a million bucks by climbing that bloody.
• 43:22
  Speaker 12: Mountain they do on Channel nine.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Who's better off now than they were when labor got elected?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: To cost public service and more of them getting paid
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: more working from home, most of them.
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: Literally payse in ten years. He's got their biggest pay
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: rise in team.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And he says that he's going to break interest rates
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: six months to a year earlier break inflation than the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Reserve Bank. Now, one of them has got to be wrong,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and it just needs. It leads me to the sneaky
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: suspicion that they might want to run to the polls
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: before the end of this year before things really go
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: pair shape.
• 43:56
  Speaker 12: I agree.
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: I mean, once it became clear to me that they
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: could have an election from aug on and again I
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: need the Prime Minister knows I need Prome minste makes
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: a decision, but everyone else just watching what's going on.
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: One of the reasons why they've basically got six months
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: of chat out of the two little too late tax cuts, right,
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: is to build it all up and then the money
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: starts flowing. But also what's going to start flowing? And
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: I've already heard a few ads it's forty million bucks
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: of taxpayers money advertising about how good they are. So
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: if you're able to get taxpayers advertising, plus maybe maybe
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: maybe a handpicked reserve bang, that will drop it by
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: a quarter of one percent. But the reality is the
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: reserve bankers it currently sits. Now, the total increases in
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: your homelans that you've had to pay since this mob
• 44:41
  Speaker 14: came to power. Even in twenty twenty six, best case scenario,
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: you'll be paying seventy five percent of what you currently
• 44:47
  Speaker 14: are now. Oh great, it's less than the all time high.
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: But the python is still around your neck. You just blue,
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: not purple.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to get ugly. We will see
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: what bells and whistles have tomorrow. See bells and whistles
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you got at nine.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: O'clock, mate, See you then, Paul Murray. Paul Murray Live
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: back at nine o'clock tonight. On the other side of
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: this break, we'll catch up on media issues with Sophie Ellsworth,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: including Elon Musk's big victory over labor and the federal
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: court overturning this band on videos. Let's go to media
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: with Sophie ELL's Worth joining us live from Melbourne.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Sophie. Fantastic work today.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: You're reporting on Laura and Tingle, the ABC journalist and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: staff elected board member of the ABC, trying to tell
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: everybody how to practice their journalism and getting caught out herself.
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: Oh thanks so much, Chris.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: I went along to the Melbourne Writers Festival on the
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: weekend and Laura Tingle basically gave this oration where she
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: spoke about how journalists should conduct themselves when they're questioning politicians,
• 45:55
  Speaker 15: basically that the ABC is a safe space for important
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: information and how critical the ABC's But then she also
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: made the bizarre claim that News Corp journalists troll the ABC. Now,
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: I think that's complete.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: And utter rubbish.
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: And as we said in the media column today in
• 46:13
  Speaker 15: The Australian, it's crucial that journalists do hold the ABC
• 46:18
  Speaker 15: to account Chris, as you know, because they do get
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: one billion dollars a year and they are answerable because
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: it's our money that we're paying for their journalism.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they operate under the law, the ABC Charter,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and there's got to be some accountability. Now, you highlighted
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: something Laura Tingle said about in reference to an Anthony
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Albanezi appearance at the Press Club.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Let's hear what she said in generally at.
• 46:43
  Speaker 14: The propecial Chriss plus the poem still asked two orthor.
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: Gene times about and you thought those would pedalizes for
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: great coms.
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: Says three tax cuts rather than.
• 46:53
  Speaker 15: Question anything about how's tax cuts, repect the community.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: To go to court quantum.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, So there she is criticizing that line of questioning
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: from other journalists.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: But then you checked what she asked at that same event,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And here it is.
• 47:08
  Speaker 15: Every other prime minister who's broken a major promise has
• 47:12
  Speaker 15: gone on to lose their job.
• 47:14
  Speaker 12: Why will Anthony alban Easy be different?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: She's just going on the broken promise like every other
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: journal She's holwayed on her own batad.
• 47:26
  Speaker 15: Well, maybe she forgot that she actually referred to him
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: abandoning the stage three cap tax cut promise. But that
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: was a little bit embarrassing Chris really, and she basically
• 47:38
  Speaker 15: gave him a Dorothy Dixon style question.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Now that is not something that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: Journalists, you know, it's commonplace really in the media press plaque.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: It's not unusual.
• 47:47
  Speaker 15: But when you're going to call out others, you need
• 47:50
  Speaker 15: to make sure that you're not doing the same thing yourself.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Spot on now a quick one. When it comes to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the Middle East and the media, the.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: BBC unbelievably still referred to humas as militants. They don't
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: call them terrorists, they call them militants, and the former
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: UK Prime Minister now Foreign Secretary David Cameron called them
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: out on air.
• 48:10
  Speaker 16: Have a look when you see what harms are prepared
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: to do you just realize the terrible, dreadful in human people,
• 48:20
  Speaker 16: frankly that we are dealing with. And maybe at a
• 48:22
  Speaker 16: moment actually for the BBC to ask itself again, should
• 48:25
  Speaker 16: we describe these people as terrorists? They are terrorists. If
• 48:28
  Speaker 16: you kidnap grandmothers, you kidnap babies, you rate people, you
• 48:31
  Speaker 16: shoot children in front of their parents, what more do
• 48:33
  Speaker 16: they need to do for the BBC to say, look,
• 48:36
  Speaker 16: these are terrorists, they really are.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just straightforward common sense from Cameron there and the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: BBC want to lift their game.
• 48:45
  Speaker 15: Well, they're saying the BBC, I was reading one of
• 48:47
  Speaker 15: their reports that it's loaded language, Chris, and it's not
• 48:51
  Speaker 15: in their guidelines to use such language. But perhaps Chris,
• 48:56
  Speaker 15: it's time that they revisited this.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Sophia I couldn't agree more. Thanks for joining us.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: As Sophie El's Worth, the media writer for the Australian
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Readio stuff in the OS now.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I mentioned we talk about the meta decision.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That's a big story too, but you have to go
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to the OS and have a look at that bit
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: of a win for Elon Musk and meta over Twitter
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: and those videos that Australia want to take it down
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: right around the world cannot do.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I'll be back at five o'clock tomorrow to preview the budget.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Quidlin