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The Only Good Take On Lindsay Clancy · Papa Gut

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  All right, guys, I am interested in this Lindsay Clancy
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  situation. What I'm not interested in is
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  how very strange content creators are talking about it.
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  They're talking about it in a way that I think is kind of
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  gross. There are people that are like
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  rallying around Clancy thinking that she's completely innocent,
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  which I think is silly, But I feel like it's what's even worse
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  is that there's so many people that are just like bombarding
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  this in such a strange way that I saw one guy say that he's
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  going to have like he's not going to vote for women anymore
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  because there are some women rallying around Lindsey Clancy.
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  I just feel like the, the, the conversation is gross.
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  And my understanding of the conversation is this from what I
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  know about it. And I want to look at health.
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  I want to look at Doctor K because I just think he's
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  probably, I think he might be my favorite content creator on
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  here. But generally speaking, this
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  woman had a psychotic episode. She had some kind of mental
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  breakdown. You know what she did to her
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  kids that's that terrible and tragic.
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  But the conversation is more about, you know, the warning
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  signs there, how much more available her husband should
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  have been, how much he should have been paying attention to
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  her to help avoid the situation. My understanding is she had went
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  to a deep depression after she gave birth.
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  I mean, that's, that's the point that you have to lock in as a,
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  as a partner. But it's not about how she's
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  innocent. And I feel like there's a very
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  small minority of people, I guess some women that are
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  rallying around it saying she's innocent.
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  And that's allowing big content creators, you know, the asthma
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  golds of the world to go like, well, look, women are fucking
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  dumb. Like that's the that's the
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  mentality. So I might throw a TikTok in at
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  the end. I reacted to the other day about
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  Lindsey Clancy. But anyway, yeah, I want to get
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  we can get this going here. Yeah.
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  I think that just because she gets ruled in a sit in court,
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  yeah, that doesn't mean that she goes free.
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  She needs to be like institutionalized, I think.
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  I mean, and what I know about the situation is pretty intense,
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  but let's just get this started. We're gonna be talking about
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  this Lindsey Clancy trial. So in Massachusetts there there
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  is a woman named Lindsey Clancy, and she was a mother of three.
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  And there is, there is currently she is on trial for the murder
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  of her children. And so part of her defense is
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  that she was psychotic, and we'll explain what that means.
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  And so therefore is not responsible for the death of her
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  children. And why am I talking about it?
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  Because it's not just the trial. So we're going to start off by
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  talking a little bit about the trial, going over some of the
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  documents. But what's really interesting
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  is, like the Internet phenomenon, this has become you.
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  Feel like they should lock her up, but maybe like maybe in some
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  kind of a mental health facility where she can, I don't know, get
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  better. I, I don't really know.
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  I, I, I don't, I don't know. And the Internet phenomenon this
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  has become is getting like really weird.
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  Like, so I want to just show you guys stuff like this.
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  So you're really breaking up with me over a fucking opinion.
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  I'm not breaking up with you over an opinion.
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  I'm breaking up with you because that opinion showed me a
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  fundamental difference in our values.
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  I can have compassion for someone struggling with
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  struggling mentally without excusing what happened to those
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  children. If I'm choosing someone to
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  potentially be the mother of my kids, I need to trust their
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  judgment completely, especially when it comes to protecting
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  them. What you.
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  I don't think this is real, by the way.
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  There's a little thing at the bottom that's like A tag line
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  from like some bullshit Instagram or TikTok or whatever.
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  But I do think that there are a lot of people rage baiting this
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  situation. Said created a doubt in me that
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  I can't ignore or gamble my future children on.
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  So like this has gotten to the point where.
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  For me, the Lindsey Clancy trial, what it shows me more
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  than anything else is that I need to pay extra attention to
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  my wife when she gives birth. Because again, you know, it like
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  the the judgement aside, you know, we're going to obviously
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  see where everything goes. But the judgement aside, what it
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  seems like is this one was visibly struggling with
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  postpartum depression. And it seems like, and you know,
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  it could be uneducated. It seems like the husband wasn't
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  stepping us up as much as he needed to step up either way.
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  So I want to make sure like I am on top of the world here, you
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  know, make sure I am on top of everything so that if there is a
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  problem, I'm able to address it and like alleviate stress for my
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  wife. Cause postpartum depression is
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  brutal, dude. And I, you know, in my opinion,
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  a lot of postpartum depression is because of the partner that
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  not being available enough. I mean, you're going to go
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  through massive hormonal shifts. You need your plate to be like
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  emptied as much as possible during that time.
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  And that's when it's your partner's responsibility to step
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  up and start doing more than you normally have to.
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  The relationship has to go from 5050 to like 8020 or 9010.
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  You need to alleviate that, that stress.
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  You need to kind of be stoic for that moment.
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  And you know, you need to offload a tremendous amount of
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  your, your, you know, you know, your wife's stress just to make
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  sure everything comes out OK and like she has good mental health
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  outcomes. That's the that's the message
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  I'm drawing from the situation more than anything else,
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  honestly. They're like, it's starting to
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  impact all kinds of things. And, and this is something that
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  that even has has crossed my plate.
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  So 2 days ago, my wife was like, hey, I don't think you're taking
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  this Lindsey Clancy thing seriously enough.
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  And I was like really surprised by that.
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  So that there's something going on here where this is not just
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  the case. The rabid interest in the
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  Lindsey Clancy case is uncovering so many things about
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  what is going on with us as a society.
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  Well, didn't Matt Walsh have some stupid ass take?
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  Yeah, Matt Walsh had said this a little while ago.
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  A lot of people aren't going to want to hear this but much of
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  the depression, and he puts depression in quotes that
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  parents did not just mom suffer after childbirth is do not so
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  much to hormones but the fact that the children, especially
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  babies, are demanding and difficult and require us to
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  subordinate our own needs and desires for their sake.
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  The more selfish you are, the more of an adjustment it's going
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  to be. Like it's just a stupid idiot
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  fuck take because he's right and wrong at the same time.
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  He's trying to downplay it but like yes babies are very
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  demanding. On top of the fact that you just
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  birthed the baby, your body just went through a significant
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  trauma. Whether you decide to do a
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  natural birth or AC section. You're recovering.
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  Your hormones are trying to reset themselves.
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  You're shedding massive amounts of blood and like uterine lining
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  out of your vagina. And so like, yeah, this is, this
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  is one of those, this is just, it's so funny when you see
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  especially conservative men say stupid shit like this because
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  what's the number one conservative man thing?
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  Be stoic. This is your time to shine,
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  motherfucker. This is if there's ever a time
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  to be stoic, to, to suppress your wants and your needs and
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  your desires and to, to, to push them down and to take care of
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  your wife and your kids who alleviate that stress as her
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  body resets. This is the time, brother.
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  But we don't do that. Instead, we got to, we got to
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  shame women. It's like, when are men
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  actually, you know, we, we talk all about like, oh, men being
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  stoic and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  When do when are men? What are conservatives?
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  When do you think the men aren't supposed to be stoic?
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  The one time that maybe there's a fight in a bar that the man
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  can step up and put his life on the line.
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  That's poverty behavior. I'm just going to avoid violence
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  so I can make money for my family.
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  It's just like they want you to step up on the off chance that
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  you're going to get into a fight.
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  By the way, Matt Walsh would get his ass beat in any fight.
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  Step up when your wife is fucking just gave goddamn birth.
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  You know what I mean. Jesus Christ, I don't.
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  Know and what is wrong with us as a society.
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  And so this is going to be like not a simple take.
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  There's a really good chance that no matter what you believe,
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  whether you believe she's guilty, whether you believe
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  she's compassion or deserves compassion, whether you believe
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  this guy is justified in breaking up with her.
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  Whether you believe that a woman is justified with breaking up
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  with her male partner because they're not supportive enough of
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  Lindsay Clanson like whatever you believe, there's a decent
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  chance I'm going to piss you off.
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  So I'll give you guys just a simple example.
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  I might piss you guys off a little bit too.
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  I'm at like a weird spot in my life and like, this is, I don't
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  know that this sounds, this might just sound bad, but I hold
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  men to a higher standard than women and it's because I'm a
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  man. That's about as simple as that.
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  It's not like an active intentional thing.
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  It's just kind of how I feel in the same way where my wife holds
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  women to a higher standard than men.
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  My my wife looks at men and just goes like, oh, they're kind of
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  like, you know, men are men are like just expected to be kind of
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  pathetic. So she holds women to high
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  standard. I expect men to, you know, be
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  some kind of, you know, a driving, positive, productive
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  force in a leader. I hold men to a higher standard.
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  So for me, I'm probably going to be, I don't know, based on some
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  of the details I saw the story where he's like going on
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  vacations and stuff or whatever. I don't know.
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  I'm going to be probably harsher on the man because like, there's
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  stuff you could have done to prevent the situation if you
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  paid more attention to your wife, in my opinion.
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  I'm not saying he deserves jail time.
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  I'm just saying I don't think that that's a crazy take to
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  have. Example so one of the things
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  that's going on is that a lot of women on social media believe
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  that Lindsey Clancy is basically being framed by her husband and
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  her husband is really the guilty party she's take.
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  I have heard this take. It seems very bizarre.
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  In the fall for it. He divorced her a few months
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  after this happened. And so there's like this whole
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  I. Mean, I guess how do you not
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  right? Element what I realized is like.
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  I couldn't. I can't really imagine you
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  staying with somebody who, even if they went through a psych
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  psychotic breakdown or whatever, I can't imagine you staying with
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  the person who killed three of your children.
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  A lot of these people are operating on like women's
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  intuition, right? Because one of the weird things
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  that I've learned as a psychiatrist is to, and it
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  sounds weird, believe my female patients.
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  And I'm not trying to be like a champion of feminism here.
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  I'm just saying, like when a patient comes into my office, my
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  approach is, you know what, if a patient says something, let me
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  at least see if it's true instead of assuming it's not
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  true. And there's evidence that.
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  So here's where I piss everybody off.
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  A women's intuition is not significantly superior to men's
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  intuition, but that there are some features.
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  What women's intuition, what women are better at is like
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  reading facial. He remarried and moved to New
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  York. Interesting.
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  OK. But if men, if it matters to
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  men, we we are basically in the same ballpark, but women are
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  able to detect discongruity. This is kind of my clinical
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  take. So what I understand women's
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  intuition to be is they can tell that something is off, but it
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  doesn't tell them necessarily what the truth is.
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  That's how I understand it based on.
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  That's interesting. OK, So they might just tell,
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  say, like be able to see that something's off, but they might
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  be misapplying what that off means.
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  Like if, you know, if somebody's quiet and something's going on,
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  you might assume like, oh, say hate me.
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  But like, maybe it's just because they're having a rough
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  day at work or something. And you know, so that makes
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  sense to me. That's why women make so much
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  that stuff that makes so much sense.
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  My crazy wife. No, you hate me.
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  No, just having a rough day at work.
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  You fucking hate me. You know, like that's that's the
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  kind of energy I'm getting out of this.
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  You know it's. On my experience so when when
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  when I have a female patient and they tell me, hey, I think
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  something bad is going to happen like I think it's really worth
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  digging into it because the conclusion that their mind jumps
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  to is not necessarily correct, but the suspicion that their
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  mind has absolutely is based on something that.
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  That makes sense to me. And it's, this is so funny
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  though. This is actually really funny
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  because like I, you know, I was saying it before, but my wife
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  like, we have our, we have a due date for our C-section and I'm
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  not going to say what day it is, but we have a due date.
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  And my wife like the past week is like, I think that the baby's
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  going to come on this day instead.
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  And I'm like, listen, I don't think that that's going to
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  happen. Whatever, whatever, whatever.
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  So we went to the, the, the, the labor and delivery yesterday
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  because we were a little anxious, not really feeling her.
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  She's fine, everything's fine. They recommend today.
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  You should do it on this day. And it was the same fucking day
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  my wife predicted. I'm like, Oh my God, you know,
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  But it was for like a different reason because like, her blood
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  pressure was a little high, so they might want to bring it in
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  early. Whereas, you know what I mean?
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  It's just, it is, it's kind of true.
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  It's fucking weird. That's the what I the assumption
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  that I operate under. Does that make sense?
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  And that nuance, I think, is completely lost on social media.
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  What fascinates me as a psychiatrist is like, hold on a
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  second. So she's being tried by the
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  state of Massachusetts for murder.
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  So this is the government against Lindsey Clancy, and
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  they're saying she murdered her children.
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  Her defense is not that she did not kill her children.
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  Her defense is that she was psychotic when it happened.
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  There's a second lawsuit, which is she and her ex-husband on
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  behalf of their children are suing all manner of psychiatric
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  providers. It's a civil lawsuit that says
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  you guys did not take care of me appropriately, that's why my
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  kids died. It's your fault that this
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  happened. Interesting.
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  So what's really interesting to me about this is like even the
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  defense does not dispute that she killed her children sort of.
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  And there's even on on the record, she has confessed to
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  kidding, killing her children and.
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  What I think is interesting too, and I think that people should
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  just keep this in mind in general, is that lawsuits are
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  always crazy versus crazy. There's people that are adopting
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  both, like both sides of the narrative, right?
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  Like this side that was like, she's, you know, insanely guilty
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  and was completely cognizant, which I don't think that that's
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  necessarily true versus like, oh, she had no free will.
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  The situation, you know, all these things happen.
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  It seems to me like there was a failure, a a constant, a
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  consistent failure of, of not recognizing how, you know,
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  distraught and depressed she was from her husband and other
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  mental health people. I wouldn't doubt that.
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  But what people should keep in mind is that like lawsuits are
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  crazy versus crazy. That's how it works.
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  If you come into a lawsuit normal and the other side
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  decides to opt it for the crazy, the most extreme they possibly
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  can, you're meeting in the middle of like normal and crazy.
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  You kind of have to. This is how lawsuit, the
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  lawsuits work. That's why it's kind of like
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  very difficult to sit here and fucking, you know, do this weird
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  obsessive watching of this situation and like, you know,
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  applying your life experiences to it.
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  Because I guarantee you that the women that are like defending
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  Lindsay Clancy were probably like hurt by a man with obvious
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  warning signs because they're fucking stupid.
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  And now all of a sudden their intuition is kicking in.
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  You know what I mean? Sorry, it's kind of true, but
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  you know, it's just so it's just so uncomfortable to have like
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  extreme, extreme feelings in both directions or like to
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  really like hyper watch a a a loss like this, this lawsuit or
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  you know, this, this situation, It's just to me, it's just like
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  bizarre and uncomfortable. Yet this is still happening,
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  right? A lot of people believe this
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  now. This is what's going to piss
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  everybody off. So if you're someone who
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  believes this and I make this statement, you're already like,
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  Oh my God, Doctor K, you're one of them.
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  You're one of the people who doesn't understand.
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  You're one of the enemy. And then on the flip side,
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  there's going to be a lot of people that are like, duh, bro,
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  like, duh. Like she confessed to killing.
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  I don't understand how people can believe that this is not
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  factually correct. Like what on earth is going on?
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  How is this guy like, what is going on?
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  And and this is this is where this is where I get curious.
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  How does someone get from the the person herself claims or
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  does not dispute that she killed her children to she's being
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  framed. And this is where I'm going to
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  piss everybody off, because this is exactly what.
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  Well, I saw some like, again, an insane narrative that the
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  husband was like, I don't know, planning on leaving her and all
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  this other stuff. I don't know.
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  Just like a ton of shit. I don't know.
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  You know, I try not to listen to a lot of these outside opinions
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  because what happens is people will hear something and they'll
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  think it's credible and now it is locked into their fucking
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  brain. That's what happened.
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  People heard a thing about Lindsay Clancy and it's locked
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  into their fucking brain. Oh, you know, she was being
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  framed. The husband wanted to kill all
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  the kids and run off with a babysitter or something.
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  This is like, this is like a kind of like a perspective I've
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  heard. It's like, what the fuck?
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  Once you once you once you believe that?
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  Once Facebook moms believe that you like, that's an anchor bias,
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  it's going to be hard to undo that, that perspective because
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  you like really believe that. And again, especially if you're
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  a fucking person, especially like a woman who's who's dealt
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  with shitty men, which I think a lot of it's going on is that
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  they dealt with shitty men with very obvious warning signs that
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  they decided to ignore because they thought that they could
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  change the guy. And now they're like, see, I
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  knew all men are fucking bad and they like overly applying that,
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  you know, they're we'll say they're trauma to this
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  situation. It just becomes an absolute
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  fucking mess. What's wrong with the world
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  today? We have a world today where so
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  many people are behaving so irrationally.
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  And what we tend to do is make no attempt to understand what we
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  do is blame. What we do is call them stupid.
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  And if you're like, yeah, like all those stupid people, all
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  those stupid women on the Internet who are like, think
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  that it's a conspiracy. They're like, they're they're
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  all dumb. No, this is this is my point.
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  I I want y'all to understand this.
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  This is happening across the globe to all manner of people.
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  This is just one pimple that is like popping.
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  Well, I think that even with the crazy girls, I think at the end
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  of the day that the message that you could derive from this
• 17:53
  Lindsey Clancy situation is a lot of these people are applying
• 17:55
  their circumstances when that's Lindsey Clancy because they
• 17:59
  don't feel like their emotions are being trusted or heard,
• 18:01
  which I think is valid and true, especially in like older
• 18:03
  traditional relationships. It's just manifesting in the
• 18:07
  most like insane situation you could possibly manifest it in,
• 18:11
  you know, like this. This is their, this is the I
• 18:14
  hate, I hate to say this is going to sound fucked up.
• 18:19
  Dude, this might be a little too rough.
• 18:20
  I'm going to say it with a huge grain of salt.
• 18:23
  This is like their George Floyd moment.
• 18:25
  I I hate to be like an asshole. George Floyd was murdered by a
• 18:28
  police officer. The police officers deserved,
• 18:30
  you know, the maximum punishment.
• 18:32
  But that was kind of a situation where he wasn't like the perfect
• 18:34
  victim, you know, like he had a, you know, prior issues and like
• 18:37
  he was getting arrested for doing something wrong.
• 18:39
  And this is kind of their moment.
• 18:42
  This is obviously this woman is much, I would say much more
• 18:45
  guilty than him. But like, this is their moment.
• 18:47
  It's not like the perfect, perfect one, but it's the one
• 18:50
  that people are actually paying attention to.
• 18:52
  You know, I, I don't mean to be insensitive when I say that, but
• 18:55
  that's kind of what this situation is to me.
• 18:59
  The reason that there is so much conflict in the world, if you
• 19:02
  ask me, Doctor K, what is the one thing, if you had to pick
• 19:06
  one thing, that is the root of the world's problems today?
• 19:11
  And I don't mean a person's problem.
• 19:13
  I mean the world's problems. Why is there so much strife?
• 19:16
  Why is there so much war? Why is there so much political
• 19:19
  stuff? Why is there a gender divide?
• 19:21
  Like, what is going on? We have birth rates that are
• 19:23
  low, like everyone. Everything's getting worse.
• 19:27
  Why? Well, I think that part, I don't
• 19:29
  know, that everything's getting worse.
• 19:30
  I think, well, social media really is the answer to that.
• 19:34
  Social media is just constantly fucking fucking dusting our
• 19:36
  fucking heads. It's one simple thing because we
• 19:39
  are no longer living in the same reality.
• 19:43
  So I I've been following this trial and I've been following
• 19:45
  this trial on Reddit in my wife. I really think that it's social
• 19:49
  media constantly being blasted into you.
• 19:50
  Really people don't realize this, but like you're getting
• 19:52
  fed narratives constantly on social media and you're getting
• 19:54
  fed like something that you should think and feel and it
• 19:57
  hooks into you. And then you have this anchor
• 19:59
  bias and then you try to like, you start to shape your opinion
• 20:01
  about like real world events around what you saw online.
• 20:03
  That's really what it is. People are like really worked
• 20:06
  out. They think that the world is
• 20:06
  like super dangerous right now. It's not.
• 20:08
  I would say that it's like year over year, not as dangerous, but
• 20:10
  there's some kind of like Internet psychosis that's making
• 20:12
  everybody feel like, Oh my God, like this is the end of the
• 20:15
  world. This is like the worst thing
• 20:16
  that's happening and it's like riling people to fuck up.
• 20:18
  I think that that's a significant, you know, problem
• 20:21
  with the situation too, that people don't really, I don't
• 20:24
  think recognize as much, you know.
• 20:26
  Life has been following this trial and she's been following
• 20:28
  it on Instagram. And the interesting thing is
• 20:32
  that our perceptions of the trial are completely different.
• 20:38
  And the more that a human being gets data like, the more that.
• 20:42
  That's why he's being so careful.
• 20:43
  It's not because the situation is so tough, it's that he
• 20:46
  doesn't want to piss his fucking wife off.
• 20:48
  Based. They see something.
• 20:50
  This is what algorithms are doing.
• 20:52
  I think like literally algorithms are destroying
• 20:54
  society. Because if I spend 8 hours a day
• 20:56
  in front of a screen and the platform is like, OK, we're
• 21:00
  gonna give you what you like. Like this is not a problem.
• 21:02
  Right now the, the Dota 2 International is going on.
• 21:05
  So my feed is full of Dota 2 International stuff.
• 21:09
  Wow Bass, I haven't played Dota 2IN such a long time.
• 21:12
  I used to be so good at that game, but that was before there
• 21:14
  was a meta, you know? I remember talking to my uncle
• 21:17
  and I still worked at the bus company, and that was 'cause he
• 21:20
  worked there too. And I was like, yeah, if only I
• 21:23
  really committed to this more, I could have been, I could have
• 21:25
  been a pro at this game. Might have been true.
• 21:28
  But you know what? I'm a I'm a pro at the Papa Gut
• 21:32
  channel now. So you know what?
• 21:34
  Can't complain. Which I love, like that's why I
• 21:37
  use the platform, right? Like I want to hear what's going
• 21:39
  on, what's going on in the interview, who won, who lost,
• 21:41
  right? So this is the way the Internet
• 21:42
  like, like the whole purpose of the Internet is that when you
• 21:45
  use it, it shows you things that you're interested in.
• 21:49
  But somehow we've gotten so good at this that we have now become
• 21:53
  distorted from reality. So Lindsay Clancy's fans have
• 21:57
  raised over 700,000 for her after she killed her three
• 22:00
  children. That's fucking crazy dude.
• 22:03
  While on a cocktail of prescribed psychiatric drugs
• 22:06
  she's about to be jailed for. A oh, was she on a cocktail of
• 22:09
  drugs, too? I mean, that's definitely going
• 22:11
  to have a tremendous impact on her.
• 22:13
  No, being on like a cocktail of drugs that are irresponsible.
• 22:17
  Doctors are fucking stupid sometimes.
• 22:18
  And they just say, yeah, take this, yeah, take this.
• 22:19
  And they get kickbacks from like pharmaceutical companies.
• 22:21
  If that's the case, like of course it's going to lend to her
• 22:24
  not being and I'm going to say the word guilty.
• 22:27
  I don't mean that she's not guilty of doing it.
• 22:29
  I mean like that, you know, that she didn't necessarily have
• 22:30
  wasn't really didn't have like really her wits about her if
• 22:33
  that's the case, of course. For life or something her
• 22:36
  husband did. He killed the kids.
• 22:37
  His was the voice that she heard.
• 22:39
  He threw her out the window. She woke up and and did what she
• 22:42
  was told. Right, because she jumped out
• 22:43
  the window after it all happened, right?
• 22:44
  Since this trial has started, I have not been OK.
• 22:47
  Women didn't hear voice in that dire, we heard our own.
• 22:50
  She loved those babies with her heart.
• 22:51
  She carried the entire mental load.
• 22:53
  So if a woman. Papa, do these cases scare you
• 22:56
  since you're expecting Yes and no.
• 23:00
  Like I said before, like the Lindsay, the Clancy situation,
• 23:06
  it's more like, it makes me go like, oh, I need to be more
• 23:11
  available for my wife when she's, when she gives like
• 23:14
  birth, especially since you want to have like 4 kids.
• 23:20
  I need to be more available to her.
• 23:23
  You know, obviously that's something like this doesn't
• 23:26
  happen. I'm being more like, we already
• 23:28
  have part of this down. My wife and I are incredibly
• 23:31
  difficult. We are difficult.
• 23:34
  That's just what it is. That's just, that's what it
• 23:36
  boils down to. We're very difficult.
• 23:38
  We are very difficult with doctors.
• 23:40
  We are very difficult with people.
• 23:42
  We have very high standards and high boundaries.
• 23:45
  And it usually what ends up happening is like we end up
• 23:48
  getting good people surrounding us.
• 23:50
  Like we used to go to an OBGYN. They were, she was fucking
• 23:53
  terrible. She would tear my wife every
• 23:55
  time she would do a sonogram. No one else has that problem.
• 23:58
  It's actually fucking weird as fuck.
• 23:59
  We got a new OBGYN and like boom, we like this person a lot.
• 24:03
  They actually educated us on C sections more, where like most
• 24:06
  doctors don't actually sew back up all 7 layers they go through.
• 24:10
  They only sew up like 3 of the layers.
• 24:12
  That's what they're taught. So I was like, we're able to get
• 24:13
  that kind of stuff. So we have high standards and
• 24:15
  expectations and usually it manifests positively and
• 24:21
  productively. So, you know, so we already have
• 24:26
  that down. Like we wouldn't just like let a
• 24:27
  doctor be like, oh, give take this, take this, take this.
• 24:29
  You know, we're not, you know, we're not fucking.
• 24:32
  So that we got that. We're a woman.
• 24:34
  Kills her children and millions of women across the Internet
• 24:39
  raise, support her, raise hundreds of thousands of
• 24:42
  dollars. You can say that these women are
• 24:44
  all brain rotted from conspiracy theories.
• 24:47
  I think there's an element of that that is actually true.
• 24:49
  But this is something that a lot of people do not understand.
• 24:53
  It seems so irrational. I don't get it.
• 24:58
  And so this is something that I've learned as a psychiatrist.
• 25:00
  Shocking thing. One of the most important things
• 25:02
  I've ever learned as a psychiatrist is that people, for
• 25:05
  the most part, 99% of people, 99% of the time, I don't know if
• 25:09
  that's statistically correct. Ballpark, let's say 95% of
• 25:12
  people 95% of the time are not behaving irrationally,
• 25:15
  irrespective of whether you think there's rationality or
• 25:17
  not. OK.
• 25:18
  Like just having a rationale, even if it's not a productive
• 25:21
  rationale. I think I understand what.
• 25:22
  He means one thing we can all agree on is there's an
• 25:25
  incredible emotional energy that is coming out of us, evoked from
• 25:30
  us, triggered by this trial, if you're following it.
• 25:33
  And that's what I want to get into today.
• 25:35
  Because if you want to understand what's going on with
• 25:37
  the Lindsay Clancy trial, not just in terms of the courtroom,
• 25:40
  but what's going on in society, you have to understand that.
• 25:43
  Why is everyone getting so caught up?
• 25:45
  OK, so step #1 there's. Two, well, the reason
• 25:48
  everybody's getting so caught up in the Lindsay Clancy trial is
• 25:51
  because they're able to project themselves onto it.
• 25:52
  Like I said, like maybe well meaning women that are kind of
• 25:57
  insane have been with a guy who is a piece of shit.
• 26:01
  And honestly, they probably bypassed the warning signs of
• 26:04
  that guy being a piece of shit because they thought that they
• 26:05
  could change him and that he'd be different with them and all
• 26:08
  these different things. And now they're looking at the
• 26:10
  scenario where this woman was to some degree failed, right?
• 26:12
  Like her husband, I would say maybe didn't pay enough
• 26:14
  attention to her. The doctors were over
• 26:16
  prescribing medication, you know, tons and tons and tons of
• 26:20
  shit. And they're, they're, they're
• 26:23
  applying themselves to that. They're projecting onto that.
• 26:26
  And they're seeing like, oh, I've kind of been there before,
• 26:28
  maybe that extreme, hopefully. And then you have the other
• 26:31
  people, some men in this situation that are just like,
• 26:33
  oh, I really don't like women. They're all fucking crazy.
• 26:36
  And they will just have like random manic episodes that are
• 26:39
  unpredictable and they can't manage their emotions as well as
• 26:42
  I do. And that's how these men think.
• 26:44
  And like, that's why, again, you'll see some people are like,
• 26:46
  I'm not voting for a woman anymore because this is
• 26:48
  indicative of a woman's problems, you know, which I
• 26:51
  think is kind of interesting to me because like, if a man does
• 26:54
  something bad, it's not because they're a man, It's because they
• 26:57
  just did a bad thing. That's, that's kind of just how
• 26:59
  the default on society is. But if a woman does a bad thing,
• 27:02
  it's because she's a woman. Like, that's, again, that's the
• 27:03
  default of society. Like you could have a president
• 27:05
  that like is very bad for the economy and very bad for the
• 27:07
  country, very bad for pretty much everything.
• 27:09
  But it's like, it's not because he's a man, It's just because
• 27:11
  maybe he's ineffective or maybe eventually he'll get where he
• 27:14
  needs to go. That's the the rationale.
• 27:16
  But if it's a woman who does something bad, all of a sudden
• 27:18
  it's like, oh, we'll see. This is the problem with women.
• 27:21
  So yeah, that's, that's what's going on.
• 27:24
  People are just applying that, their biases to that.
• 27:26
  And I think that the most rational thing to do is to try
• 27:27
  not to get too involved in the case mentally or emotionally.
• 27:30
  Because like, there are so many different narratives that you're
• 27:33
  going to see on so many different social media platforms
• 27:35
  and you're going to end up getting a take that's not
• 27:37
  necessarily verified and that's going to sit with you.
• 27:39
  Whether you acknowledge that it's not verified or not, it's
• 27:41
  going to always sit with you, inside of you, and it's going to
• 27:44
  have an impact on the way that you interact.
• 27:46
  Again, what I'm getting out of the situation is that, like when
• 27:49
  your wife has a baby, pay as much attention to her and take
• 27:51
  as much off of her plate as you possibly can.
• 27:55
  That's what I'm getting out of this.
• 27:56
  Do the most that you can to to alleviate some of her stress so
• 27:59
  that this doesn't happen to you. That's where I'm what I'm
• 28:02
  getting out of this. Legal proceedings #1 is the
• 28:06
  state of Massachusetts against Lindsey Clancy for murder?
• 28:10
  Second thing is there's a civil lawsuit from Lindsey Clancy and
• 28:14
  her ex-husband. So they are suing the
• 28:16
  psychiatric provider. So this is the civil complaint.
• 28:18
  This is a wrongful death brought by Patrick Clancy individually
• 28:22
  as personal representative of the states of his deceased
• 28:24
  children. Patrick's wife, Lindsey Clancy
• 28:26
  is alleged to have murdered Cora Dawson and Kaylin.
• 28:29
  Prior to the alleged murder, Lindsey sought medical treatment
• 28:32
  for anxiety and increasingly deteriorating mental health
• 28:35
  condition. Very interesting.
• 28:36
  So I appreciate the information, but you are lying.
• 28:38
  First of all, you're an idiot for even saying that.
• 28:41
  But Patrick took like a month off for maternity leave.
• 28:42
  He took three months off actually, I looked into it,
• 28:44
  which is fine. That's good.
• 28:45
  That's that's good context 'cause that could show like, oh,
• 28:47
  maybe he was a little more involved than we realized.
• 28:49
  He was very involved. We don't necessarily know that
• 28:51
  just 'cause he took the time off doesn't necessarily mean that he
• 28:52
  was taking the stuff off her plate, but it might mean that he
• 28:55
  did. Maybe there's like a bias that I
• 28:56
  have. He was very involved.
• 28:58
  Lindsay was an LND nurse. That's something to say.
• 29:02
  I don't know what what the relevancy is that women already
• 29:04
  claiming that the Clancy defense were killing the kids.
• 29:05
  OK, I don't think that's OK. Interesting.
• 29:09
  So he might like, that's good that he that he also got
• 29:12
  maternity leave. That doesn't necessarily mean he
• 29:14
  wasn't unloading her plate. But again, that's what I'm
• 29:17
  getting out of it to make sure that I am as involved as I
• 29:20
  possibly can be with my wife to take off stuff off her plate.
• 29:22
  It's good that he was home. Hopefully he was helpful.
• 29:25
  You know, I've seen situations where like, see, I've seen
• 29:30
  situations like kind of a lot, especially when it comes to men
• 29:34
  where like their wife will have another baby and they will be
• 29:38
  very helpful with the kid that is already born.
• 29:42
  That's like 3 or 4 years old 'cause that kid is easier to
• 29:45
  deal with in a newborn. And that stresses the mother out
• 29:47
  too, because like they will refuse to help that, you know
• 29:50
  what I mean? Like that's, there's, there's a
• 29:51
  lot of things to keep in mind here.
• 29:53
  There's a lot of things to keep in mind too.
• 29:55
  You know, the the the just born baby is going to be very
• 29:59
  difficult as well. So yeah, for sure, though,
• 30:03
  hopefully he was doing everything he could possibly do.
• 30:05
  OK, But I wasn't lying. You saying, hey, I don't think
• 30:10
  that you're right about this is different from me lying.
• 30:12
  This idea that I have like skin in the game where I'm like,
• 30:14
  guys, I got to lie for this woman.
• 30:15
  I got to lie for this woman. I'm investing in her.
• 30:17
  I'm investing in her meme coins too.
• 30:18
  And like what? I don't understand, like, why
• 30:20
  would I? What would I lie about?
• 30:22
  Very strange condition. Lindsay began her career as a
• 30:24
  nurse working at the Massachusetts General Hospital,
• 30:27
  my alma mater. Patrick and Lindsay jumped into
• 30:29
  parenthood and worked together to provide the best possible
• 30:32
  environment for to raise their children.
• 30:34
  This is the plaintiff, right? This is their case.
• 30:36
  This is not the truth. This is a civil lawsuit in which
• 30:40
  these people are alleging. These are their claims, right?
• 30:44
  So when someone sues you for doing something bad, they are
• 30:48
  going to emit, emit lots of stuff that let you off the hook.
• 30:51
  It's not going to be fair. Fair, right, which is another
• 30:54
  really important thing you need to understand about this trial.
• 30:56
  No one is trying to be fair. No one is trying to be correct.
• 31:00
  Yes, exactly. Everybody's trying to advocate
• 31:02
  for themselves. The prosecution has a job, the
• 31:06
  defense has a job. The civil case has a plaintiff
• 31:10
  that has a job. It's your fault.
• 31:12
  And the defense in that case is going to say it's not my fault,
• 31:16
  it's your fault. Yeah, you're both going to act
• 31:18
  crazy. Like I said before, you're both
• 31:20
  going to be as unreasonable as possible and hopefully meet in
• 31:22
  the middle in a way where that is like a more in defensive you.
• 31:27
  OK, so everyone has an angle. No one is talking about the
• 31:31
  truth. In order to spend more time at
• 31:32
  home with their children, Lindsay began working part time
• 31:35
  night shifts. It's.
• 31:37
  Got to be rough though, working night.
• 31:38
  Shifts the MGH labor and delivery unit.
• 31:40
  So this is an important point. Then she has Kaylin, who I think
• 31:43
  is her third child, Patrick. Wait a minute.
• 31:47
  This is part time night shifts in the MGH Labor and Delivery
• 31:51
  unit. OK.
• 31:52
  So she shifted to just OK, part time, OK.
• 31:55
  So this is an important point then she has, I wonder.
• 31:57
  If that throws off your rhythm though, working at night, that's
• 32:01
  got a like. Humans aren't really designed to
• 32:03
  work at night and it takes a while to adjust like a nocturnal
• 32:06
  schedule. I wonder if that like fuck with
• 32:07
  her, especially if you want to be there for your kids.
• 32:09
  I remember my my my mother-in-law actually work
• 32:12
  nights so she would like wake up.
• 32:13
  It was a fucking crazy schedule. She would like wake up, I don't
• 32:18
  even know what it was. She would like get home from
• 32:21
  work and pick her kids out. It was fucking it's, it's
• 32:23
  insane. It's got to be insanely
• 32:24
  difficult to have like any to be able to do anything.
• 32:27
  Kaylyn, who I think is her third child, Patrick, returned to work
• 32:31
  approximately 12 weeks after Kaylyn was born and while he was
• 32:35
  able to work from home for the first time, Lindsay was
• 32:38
  challenged with taking care of three children single handedly
• 32:41
  during the weekdays. Why would he have to do that if
• 32:49
  he's working from? Home we're going to play a fun
• 32:50
  game chat and this game is going to be read Doctor KS Mind Why
• 32:55
  did Doctor K highlight this passage?
• 32:59
  Petra returned to work probably 12 weeks after Kaylin was born,
• 33:03
  and while he was able to work from home for the first time,
• 33:05
  Lindsay was challenged with taking care of their three
• 33:08
  children single handedly. The reason that he's
• 33:09
  highlighting this is because just first of all, if you're
• 33:11
  working from home, you should be have a higher capacity to be
• 33:13
  able to help take care of your kids.
• 33:15
  Like that's what I'm going to do.
• 33:16
  When we like, I'm not taking any leave.
• 33:19
  I do YouTube for work. So like when we have our baby,
• 33:22
  I'm probably still going to work.
• 33:23
  I might take some days off. We'll see how we're feeling, but
• 33:26
  like, if I need to pause for 20 minutes and go get the baby and
• 33:29
  fucking feed her or something, I'm out of here, bro.
• 33:32
  And generally speaking, people who work from home usually have
• 33:35
  more flexibility to be able to do that.
• 33:36
  Not always, but I'm going to probably in this case,
• 33:39
  especially if you're a little bit more affluent and you have a
• 33:40
  better job. So but the idea that like he
• 33:43
  would be able to like Lindsay was challenged to take care of
• 33:45
  the three children single handedly during the weekdays
• 33:47
  doesn't really make sense. So either he's not pulling his
• 33:49
  own weight or this is a narrative from her or them to
• 33:51
  try to add sympathy to her even though it doesn't really make
• 33:54
  sense. So which which who's is this?
• 33:58
  Is this from Patrick? If this is from like the the
• 34:00
  husband and wife Lindsay and Patrick, this they could turn it
• 34:03
  around be like oh why wasn't he more available to the kid?
• 34:05
  What do you think is the importance of this?
• 34:09
  Taking care of kids during the day while also working the night
• 34:12
  shift? Was husband unable to help?
• 34:14
  Not sleeping? If he's working from home?
• 34:16
  How is it single handed? It's not the beginning of the
• 34:18
  decline. OK, so this is really important
• 34:20
  in bipolar disorder. The best medicine is sleep.
• 34:24
  The moment that your circadian rhythm gets messed up, you'll
• 34:27
  increase your risk of problems with bipolar disorder.
• 34:31
  Interesting, I did not know that.
• 34:32
  One of the key symptoms of bipolar disorder is inability to
• 34:36
  sleep, so this I think is an important data point.
• 34:38
  Dr. Tufts treated Lindsay on from on or about September 15th
• 34:42
  to 2023, prescribed a variety of different medications, but
• 34:45
  failed to monitor her reactions to these medications or to a
• 34:48
  tender or worsening psychiatric conditions.
• 34:50
  Remember, this is the civil suit.
• 34:52
  I personally don't think that this is the case based on what
• 34:55
  I've seen. I mean, maybe, I wonder.
• 35:01
  I think most psychiatrists and most mental health professionals
• 35:05
  don't really consider this to be a failure of treatment, FYI.
• 35:10
  Well, maybe that might be the problem.
• 35:11
  Listen, I this is the problem is that and I might have a bias.
• 35:13
  I've been like turned off more and more to doctors.
• 35:15
  Like I, I see a lot of doctor interactions.
• 35:18
  I see how some doctors are easily swayed by patients, by
• 35:21
  somebody who like makes a recommendation.
• 35:22
  But guy, whatever you want, you know, maybe even Lindsay thought
• 35:25
  she knew better and would influence the doctor in a
• 35:27
  negative way. Or maybe none of that happened.
• 35:29
  Or maybe he didn't really care. He had too many clients, or
• 35:31
  maybe he was a good doctor. I, it's, I don't really know,
• 35:32
  But I, I'm not on the like, Oh, I think most doctors act well.
• 35:36
  I don't. But again, I have very high
• 35:38
  standards for these things. A lot of people will criticize
• 35:42
  decisions that get made, especially by the mental health
• 35:45
  professionals. So I want to talk about this for
• 35:46
  a second. The defense attorney finds this
• 35:49
  in Doctor Tufts's notes and says the patient was paranoid for
• 35:54
  getting spital ideation. She was worried that she would
• 35:57
  become and basically says like, why didn't you do more?
• 36:02
  This trial is a great example of.
• 36:04
  I wonder what you could do her getting paranoid that she might
• 36:07
  have that issue. I guess you should listen more
• 36:10
  to her intuition, I guess would be the argument there.
• 36:12
  A lot of stuff sounds bad, it sounds really bad, but I want
• 36:16
  y'all to play the tape through to the end.
• 36:18
  If you are someone who is not suitable, should your doctor
• 36:22
  hospitalize you because you are worried about getting suitable?
• 36:25
  What? I want to know about
• 36:28
  hospitalized, but it's certainly it's like, how do you how do you
• 36:30
  deal with that? What would you give a
• 36:32
  recommendation to do? You know, that's pretty intense
• 36:35
  baby, honestly, just to play it safe.
• 36:38
  I don't know. I really don't know is that that
• 36:41
  seems to be the status quo like for for my wife, like again, a
• 36:44
  lot of anxiety when it comes to the baby and everything.
• 36:48
  And she like texted her doctor. She's like, I don't feel the
• 36:50
  baby. I don't know what to do, but
• 36:51
  what, and like any normal person knows, my wife would be like,
• 36:53
  well, you're being a little crazy.
• 36:55
  The baby's obviously moving in there.
• 36:57
  You just don't necessarily feel it.
• 36:59
  Whatever. But the doctor's like, no, you
• 37:00
  should go to the hospital, go to the LND and have them check you
• 37:02
  out because they're playing it safe.
• 37:03
  Like God forbid they, they give you the wrong advice and all of
• 37:06
  a sudden something bad happens. And like, that's so maybe they
• 37:08
  should have hospitalized her for that.
• 37:09
  I, I don't know. I don't know.
• 37:11
  What is the appropriate course of action when something?
• 37:13
  I don't think that that doesn't necessarily make it like this
• 37:16
  massive case of neglect though if he didn't though.
• 37:18
  It could happen if you get hospitalized for the possibility
• 37:23
  of then when does that end? So this is what's really.
• 37:31
  Once she's more stable, might not have been necessarily like a
• 37:33
  bad idea to do. Challenging about the.
• 37:36
  Especially if she has good insurance and if they were able
• 37:38
  to do that then they might be able to tap into some kind of
• 37:39
  disability or something. Being a psychiatrist, there's a
• 37:42
  great, great paper from I think Matt Knock that basically shows
• 37:46
  that about 50 to 60% of attempts happen within 5 minutes of
• 37:51
  making the decision that generally speaking.
• 37:55
  That does make sense to me. It seems like an impulse
• 37:57
  decision. I don't think that most people
• 37:58
  want to do that to themselves. A highly impulsive act, this
• 38:02
  whole like media idea of like, oh, putting all your affairs in
• 38:05
  order and all this kind of stuff.
• 38:07
  It is like not usually what happens.
• 38:10
  It's highly impulsive and highly acute.
• 38:12
  So that this trial has a lot of like armchair quarterbacking
• 38:16
  hindsight is 2020, except it's not 2020.
• 38:19
  What it has is a lot of oversimplification of
• 38:22
  complicated things. So I think as a lot of a lot of
• 38:24
  this stuff is on like short form content, right?
• 38:26
  And This is why I like. I don't like short form content.
• 38:29
  I hear that, brother. How did we get?
• 38:31
  I love it because I I use it to make money.
• 38:35
  So after her third kid was born she started losing her mind,
• 38:37
  postpartum anxiety, depression, paranoia, insomnia and evolving
• 38:40
  psychosis. And in 20/22 she started telling
• 38:42
  mom and husband that she was having thoughts of killing her
• 38:44
  kids and started seeking big time medical help.
• 38:47
  Now, at this point, she's on at least 12 different medications.
• 38:49
  That's why you can't listen to these people.
• 38:50
  These are the people that like my mother-in-law listens to and
• 38:54
  they take it like, you know, 2 factually, you know?
• 38:56
  So this is the kind of stuff that I think is really scary
• 38:59
  because I think a lot of people will comment and they'll
• 39:01
  summarize, but she's not on 12 different medications.
• 39:04
  This is what her medication regimen looked like.
• 39:08
  1234567891011121314 it's 15 what the fuck?
• 39:13
  We'll get more into this this. There's a lot of medications,
• 39:18
  Zoloft. OK, this could be, I mean, this
• 39:20
  is a lot of different meds. Is where she's not on 12
• 39:23
  medications. She was prescribed 12
• 39:26
  medications, which is like really, really different from
• 39:30
  being on 12 medications, OK. Is he saying that she's not
• 39:34
  taking all of them? Wouldn't that also potentially
• 39:36
  that could potentially be a problem for her if she's not
• 39:37
  taking them? Yeah.
• 39:38
  So so this is. That could be that could be a
• 39:40
  little bit on them if she's not taking all the medications,
• 39:43
  because then I mean, if you're taking them that's like what you
• 39:46
  consider as needed, then you're not getting a consistent pattern
• 39:49
  that your doctor can observe, right?
• 39:51
  So like if you're prescribed 12 meds, which is a lot, but you're
• 39:54
  only taking like let's say 10 of them, you don't know how certain
• 39:58
  medications interact with each other and you're not taking them
• 40:00
  consistently. And like if you decide to do it,
• 40:02
  OK, for this week, I'm going to start taking this Med a little
• 40:03
  more. You might see different outcomes
• 40:06
  in your mental health that would make you can't really do like
• 40:08
  long term observations there this.
• 40:10
  Is where like a lot of people will like simplify, but this is
• 40:13
  like important stuff. Being prescribed 12 medications
• 40:17
  is not the same as being on 12 medications.
• 40:21
  The problem is that if you want to put together a timeline like
• 40:24
  this, you have to like sit down and look at the look through her
• 40:27
  prescribing history. So this too like these kinds of
• 40:29
  things of instead of working to identify the source of Lindsay's
• 40:32
  condition. I don't accept that she didn't
• 40:34
  that Doctor Tufts didn't do that.
• 40:35
  Like I think that's actually what was going on.
• 40:37
  There's one psychiatrist, Doctor Tufts.
• 40:39
  Then there's. Sounds like a kids cartoon
• 40:43
  doctor. Julie Paul, who's a a nurse,
• 40:46
  nurse practitioner at a different program who is now
• 40:49
  independently as far as I can tell, I don't know if they're
• 40:52
  part of the same healthcare system or what prescribing
• 40:55
  medications, right. So so by mid November, her
• 40:58
  insomnia became so bad that she was sleeping approximately 3
• 41:01
  hours a night. Oh yeah, that's definitely going
• 41:03
  to be it. I would say probably the biggest
• 41:05
  thing. Yeah, went to the emergency
• 41:07
  room, prescribed Trazodone, right.
• 41:11
  So now an emergency room physician is.
• 41:13
  Is that like a sleep sleep prescribing?
• 41:15
  Something in an attempt to assist her daughter-in-law.
• 41:17
  Patricks mother, a nurse at South Shore of health.
• 41:19
  So now what we've got is we've got the mother-in-law calling
• 41:22
  someone that she knows from work and is like, hey, can you help
• 41:25
  my daughter-in-law right. So this person is like, of
• 41:28
  course, so now we've got a second per a third person
• 41:31
  prescribing medications. And then this also is to meet.
• 41:34
  This to me is wild personally. Like I don't know exactly what
• 41:37
  the situation was, but to prescribe Ambien, Klonopin and
• 41:41
  Remeron all at once I think is like, doesn't sound great.
• 41:46
  Did one person do that? That's a few times ago.
• 41:49
  She afterwards, I don't remember nurse Paul described then see
• 41:52
  three different damn that's how I don't know what all those do
• 41:54
  but like 3 out of a single time is insane.
• 41:57
  I think at that point if she's not sleeping and she's having
• 41:59
  these insane thoughts. I mean you should try to figure
• 42:00
  out how to get her out on like an extended leave or something.
• 42:02
  I don't know what the hell you would do, Jesus Christ.
• 42:04
  So if you get a good night's sleep, which one of these bad
• 42:07
  boys is responsible? Yeah, you have no idea because
• 42:11
  you're just feeding her meds, just like for the sake of it.
• 42:13
  At that point you might as well put her in a fucking coma, like
• 42:15
  a medically induced coma if you're going to go that crazy.
• 42:17
  Now, it's very possible that because this is the other kind
• 42:20
  of detailed thing, we don't actually have the prescribing
• 42:23
  pattern in lawsuits like this, right?
• 42:26
  So one of these may have been a standing medication Remeron.
• 42:29
  One of them might have been like as an as needed.
• 42:31
  On every night, Klonopin as needed, once in the evening and
• 42:36
  Ambien for like breakthrough. Even to me that sounds excessive
• 42:40
  to prescribe 3 things all at once, but I think what?
• 42:42
  I should on ironically make my wife react to this video for
• 42:45
  like our channel by herself because she's not like she's a
• 42:49
  social worker. She doesn't prescribe meds but
• 42:50
  she has an idea of like medications because she works
• 42:53
  with people that take medications and she is usually
• 42:56
  like on the meetings when it comes to the conversation about
• 42:58
  medications. So I wonder if she would have
• 43:00
  like I wonder what her take on this would be.
• 43:01
  I wonder if I can make her watch this and post it on like the
• 43:05
  Robin Dan channel. What this shows is that she was
• 43:07
  in immense distress, which she kind of talks about quite a bit,
• 43:10
  reported Nurse Paul. She was still struggling to
• 43:12
  continue with sleep, feels disoriented, forgetful, not
• 43:15
  connected to my body. This by the way is one of the
• 43:19
  features of psychosis if you guys want to know what psychosis
• 43:23
  looks like. Not feeling connected to your
• 43:24
  body. Sometimes I feel a little Spacey
• 43:27
  and cloudy. I think it's my diabetes, but
• 43:29
  I've been pretty good lately, so I'm not sleeping.
• 43:32
  It's actually insane as you get older, like how much more you
• 43:35
  feel your body shift. If you don't like take care of
• 43:37
  yourself, like like stress, not sleeping a lot, eating poorly
• 43:44
  will fuck me up so bad. Like, I don't even, I, I, I'm
• 43:47
  going to get a little personal in a way, it's a little gross,
• 43:49
  but I'm going to talk about it because I'm, I'm being mature
• 43:51
  about it. Like leading up to the baby
• 43:53
  shower, we threw a baby shower and we did a lot of work.
• 43:54
  My wife did more work than me, obviously, but there's a
• 43:56
  tremendous amount of planning and work and like, you know, it
• 43:58
  was expensive or whatever, which wasn't a huge dresser
• 44:00
  necessarily, but because our family helped out.
• 44:03
  But like my wife also stresses. Like she put together an amazing
• 44:06
  thing, but she stresses and she doesn't necessarily, you know,
• 44:09
  sometimes she overstresses. So that's like a stressor too.
• 44:12
  But like the party was insane. Like it was amazing.
• 44:14
  Everybody loved it. I had like horrible
• 44:15
  Constipation. I had a horrible Constipation,
• 44:21
  like the worst of my entire life.
• 44:23
  And like, I remember like on the day, on the literal day of the
• 44:29
  baby shower and like it was the worst I've ever, I'm straining.
• 44:32
  I'm I'm bleeding a little a lot. I'm like never my life.
• 44:38
  Am I? Am I to 36 years that ends, you
• 44:44
  know, I'm, I'm like, OK, I'm going to give it a week and I
• 44:46
  might go to the hospital. It's because maybe there's
• 44:48
  something wrong. Almost immediately I, the baby's
• 44:51
  shower's over. I'm fucking shit normal.
• 44:55
  Like it's insane. It's actually fucking crazy,
• 44:59
  bro. It's actually fucking crazy.
• 45:01
  So well, well. This is what psychosis can look
• 45:04
  like. And do we screen for all of
• 45:07
  these things? Absolutely not.
• 45:09
  Like body disintegration, somatic depersonalization,
• 45:12
  bodily estrangement, Boom, right?
• 45:14
  So here's what's really interesting.
• 45:16
  If you go through Lindsey Clancy's complaints, you will
• 45:19
  see a lot of this stuff. This is like very hard to use
• 45:22
  clinically because insurance will not pay for this and for a
• 45:27
  psychiatrist to go through these takes about an hour.
• 45:32
  The only place that I've ever really been able to use the, the
• 45:35
  ease is on inpatients who are there 24 hours a day who are
• 45:39
  hospitalized for psychosis, right?
• 45:41
  So then nurse Gelada enters the picture.
• 45:45
  So like now we have another provider involved is reporting
• 45:49
  the so she's getting physically dependent on benzos in order to
• 45:52
  sleep. Mine is constantly running, is
• 45:55
  feeling overwhelmed, feeling afraid.
• 45:59
  Oh ADHD queen of alright. That something awful might
• 46:01
  happen then she reports that she has experienced intrusive
• 46:05
  thoughts of wanting to die and contacted.
• 46:07
  I mean, not for nothing, but if there's this consistent pattern
• 46:09
  of her being like, I'm really afraid something's going to
• 46:11
  happen or I'm going to do something.
• 46:12
  I'm not saying I listen, I don't know what the husband's
• 46:17
  involvement is. If he could have been more
• 46:18
  involved. Again, I, I'm, I'm pretty, you
• 46:21
  know, I hold them to very high standards, especially husbands.
• 46:25
  Regardless, though, I can see why people are saying that I
• 46:29
  don't think she's innocent, but like, she's not as outright
• 46:34
  guilty as people are saying. I mean, it seems like she's
• 46:37
  constantly, constantly saying I'm having these problems,
• 46:41
  please help me. I'm having these problems,
• 46:43
  please help me. And all they're doing is like
• 46:46
  giving her tremendous amounts of excessive medications.
• 46:49
  I mean, I get it. I mean, this is case is fucked
• 46:51
  up. You know, it's like, I mean,
• 46:53
  it's like anything else. Like imagine it wasn't even this
• 46:55
  deep. It wasn't even this serious.
• 46:56
  It's like, imagine like you had like a really bad shoulder pain
• 46:59
  and you went to the doctor and they're like, OK, here's what
• 47:02
  we're going to do. We're going to give you, you
• 47:05
  know, I want you to take Tylenol, I want you to take
• 47:07
  these oxys. I want you to take like this
• 47:08
  sleep medication so that you could also sleep because you're
• 47:10
  like having trouble sleeping. We're also going to have you go
• 47:12
  to personal, you know, you know, the physical therapy and then,
• 47:13
  OK, so they're just over every time you go and you just go back
• 47:16
  into like it's getting worse. It's getting worse.
• 47:17
  OK, well, we're just going to do this now and we're going to do
• 47:20
  this now. We're just going to keep going,
• 47:21
  you know, and then you just you end up, you know, having a
• 47:23
  horrible tear or something, you know what I mean?
• 47:25
  Like it's I get it. Like you're going to the right
• 47:26
  institutions to be able to help you when you're being failed.
• 47:28
  That's what it seems like to me. Aspire crisis support over the
• 47:32
  weekend. So now there is another group of
• 47:34
  people involved. So then the symptoms persisted
• 47:37
  presented by Lindsay cause Nurse General to ask if she was having
• 47:40
  thoughts of harming herself or children.
• 47:42
  So now this is gets really interesting.
• 47:44
  Denied having such thoughts, but has this vague sense that
• 47:48
  something bad might happen. Interesting, I feel like you
• 47:52
  have to read between the lines there because to me that sounds
• 47:53
  like she was having those thoughts but she doesn't want to
• 47:55
  admit. It so now we have a psychiatric
• 47:57
  provider who's actually asking her right so this is good like
• 48:00
  the the nurse practitioner is like, hey, are you going to hurt
• 48:03
  somebody, including yourself or anybody else?
• 48:05
  And she's like, no. So now the question is now what
• 48:08
  happens? So do you hospitalize someone
• 48:10
  against their will? So Patrick, maybe?
• 48:12
  I don't know. A called nurse.
• 48:14
  I mean, I don't know, I guess that's a tough, I guess that's a
• 48:20
  tough one to say. But like, people like, on the
• 48:23
  one hand, like people, people lie, you know, So it's like,
• 48:27
  maybe you'd be like, it sounds like she's saying yes about
• 48:29
  saying yes. You know, I don't know, dude,
• 48:33
  this is a tough one. Gelada's office asked for a call
• 48:36
  back and made it clear that Gelada's office said it was
• 48:38
  fairly urgent. When Patrick and Lindsay spoke
• 48:40
  to Nurse Gelada, they advised her that Lindsay was still
• 48:43
  experiencing panic and suicidal ideation.
• 48:45
  Nurse Gelada advised Lindsay to continue taking the medication.
• 48:48
  Right. And this is also where, like all
• 48:49
  the conspiracy theorists who were saying, like, oh, Patrick
• 48:52
  was like a bad dude who is not supportive.
• 48:56
  And it's like, hey, he's calling the nurse practitioner and he's,
• 48:58
  like, worried about his wife. Yeah.
• 49:01
  But like again, earlier they showed like that they, they
• 49:04
  showed the the lawsuit that I believe Patrick was filing with
• 49:11
  his wife. And in that lawsuit it was like,
• 49:13
  hey, right. Like that was my interpretation.
• 49:15
  That was the lawsuit that he and his wife were were pushing
• 49:18
  against. Like the, you know, the doctors
• 49:20
  in the lawsuit, He's like, hey, man, I had to go back to work
• 49:24
  working from home, and that meant that my wife had to do had
• 49:28
  to take care of the kid by her, the kids by herself during the
• 49:31
  day. So like, you know, to me, I'm
• 49:35
  hearing that there's a possibility that that's just
• 49:37
  like a lawsuit fluff to make it seem like, you know, she was
• 49:39
  more like a as much of A victim as they possibly can for the
• 49:43
  lawsuit. But like, imagine hearing that
• 49:45
  as somebody. It's like, yeah, he was staying
• 49:47
  working from home. And in 99% of cases, somebody
• 49:50
  who works from home can still be more active with their kid,
• 49:54
  especially if they have a good job like they seem to have.
• 49:58
  But he wasn't taking care of the kid, according to himself in the
• 50:03
  lawsuit, right. So like, yeah, I can see where
• 50:05
  the narrative comes from. If he's pushing it, if he's
• 50:08
  putting that in his lawsuit, that to me that's like, OK, I
• 50:14
  could see why people would have the interpretation that he
• 50:15
  wasn't doing enough. You know, I really don't know,
• 50:19
  but I could see the interpretation there.
• 50:22
  And he's like, hey, this is not working on January 16th.
• 50:25
  No idle ideation. And then on 24, she began did so
• 50:29
  because she started hearing a compelling and unrecognizable
• 50:32
  singular male voice that told her this is your last chance and
• 50:35
  that she had had to take them with her.
• 50:37
  She also reported the voice indicated to her that she should
• 50:40
  die, that this is her last chance and that her children
• 50:43
  would suffer if she was gone. Lindsay then cut her wrists and
• 50:46
  neck and jumped out of a second floor window in her home.
• 50:49
  She fell approximately 20 feet to the ground below and suffered
• 50:52
  traumatic spinal cord injuries. She is now paralyzed below the
• 50:56
  sternum. So let's talk about what's
• 50:57
  happening. What is the prognosis for
• 51:00
  postpartum psychosis? So this happens in about 1:00
• 51:02
  to. I mean, it sounds like she has
• 51:04
  postpartum psychosis. I mean, it doesn't seem like
• 51:06
  she's faking it here, so. Three women per thousand life
• 51:10
  births, which first of all is like really high.
• 51:13
  About 10,000 babies are born which first, so this happens in
• 51:18
  about one to three women per thousand live births.
• 51:21
  OK, interesting. That's quite a few.
• 51:23
  I want to read this again. OK.
• 51:26
  I'm glad you review the family. How long?
• 51:28
  OK, according to the minutes that did so because she was OK.
• 51:31
  Got it. Each day in the US is like
• 51:34
  really high. About 10,000 babies are born
• 51:37
  each day in the US. Let's say 2 per thousand live
• 51:40
  births, which means postpartum psychosis is happening to 20
• 51:45
  people every single day in the US This is not.
• 51:48
  I imagine not to this severity. A rare condition and postpartum
• 51:52
  psychosis is extreme so that the thing to understand is this
• 51:55
  stuff is a bell curve. And also, and this is going to
• 51:58
  sound weird also people having an understood all women usually
• 52:03
  will go through postpartum depression.
• 52:06
  And we also do live in a little bit of a TikTok time.
• 52:08
  And so women going through regular postpartum depression,
• 52:10
  which is still intense, are like, Oh, I get it, you know,
• 52:13
  Oh, I maybe I had that, maybe may not have had that.
• 52:16
  But like now we kind of prescribe ourselves online based
• 52:18
  on like a limited education for things, right?
• 52:22
  Or maybe not prescribe, but you know what I mean?
• 52:24
  Diagnose. And so now these women are like,
• 52:26
  see, that was me. It was so hard to deal with.
• 52:28
  I would have done, you know what I mean?
• 52:30
  So that's, that's part of the problem, but then also part of
• 52:33
  like some of the empathy, you know?
• 52:36
  So you know, the number of people who get postpartum
• 52:38
  psychosis is like 2%, but what percentage of people get close
• 52:42
  to postpartum psychosis? That's another factor too.
• 52:44
  Yeah, true. Like right before the line of
• 52:47
  like being. Yeah, I get it.
• 52:48
  Or 50% of the way there or get severe depression, that number
• 52:51
  is astronomically higher. And this is something that I
• 52:54
  think we don't really understand as a society is that this is
• 52:58
  like way more common than people realize.
• 53:02
  And that for every one person that happens to, there's
• 53:05
  probably a dozen or 100 or 200 or 300 people that get halfway
• 53:10
  there. So I, I think this is going to
• 53:12
  be like, you know, we talk about the messed up American
• 53:15
  healthcare system. And I think this is a good
• 53:18
  example of kind of everyone's to blame.
• 53:21
  So no one's responsible. So why does Doctor Tufts have a
• 53:24
  17 minute visit? Because that's what insurance
• 53:27
  will pay for. Are we really a 17 minute visit?
• 53:33
  Is that true? We're in the hospital.
• 53:34
  Why do people not review medical records?
• 53:37
  Why do they not see medical records?
• 53:39
  So Lindsey Clancy calls the hotline twice.
• 53:42
  Why does Doctor Tufts not know that?
• 53:44
  Because the suicide hotline and Doctor Tufts don't know how to
• 53:47
  talk to each other. You've got at least 5, Not
• 53:50
  including the inpatient providers, that's 6 or maybe 7.
• 53:57
  They said. Sorry you have 7 people trying
• 53:59
  to take care of this person and very little communication in
• 54:02
  between them and then you may say but doctor K like they
• 54:05
  should communicate. I totally agree and my question
• 54:07
  is when? In what hours of the day?
• 54:10
  Well, I think it's more how so I listen, here's the thing.
• 54:13
  I kind of I'm in Long Island and I don't like like there's kind
• 54:19
  of a monopoly. It's called Northwell on like a
• 54:22
  tremendous and I mean a tremendous amount of of like the
• 54:27
  healthcare system. But one thing that they do have
• 54:30
  is they have like a like a charting system where like
• 54:32
  everything kind of gets shared within the same facility.
• 54:36
  Like all your shit gets shared. So like it's somewhat easy for
• 54:39
  the doctor to just kind of like pull it up and be like, oh, you
• 54:41
  did this, Oh, you did that, Oh, you.
• 54:44
  And I think that like in general, that should be like
• 54:46
  adopted to some extent is some kind of a thing where like you
• 54:51
  have like a chart that's like an online chart where it's like,
• 54:54
  oh, OK, I saw that. Whoa, you this all this should
• 54:56
  happen. Like what's going on with that,
• 54:59
  you know? Right, So how many fewer
• 55:00
  patients should I see per day because I'm on the phone trying
• 55:04
  to get medical records from 7 different people over the course
• 55:08
  of a month? It's not just that either.
• 55:09
  It's like, Hey, what, how, What healthcare provider do I work
• 55:12
  with that's forcing me to monetize as much as possible
• 55:18
  because that happens too. Like again, this healthcare
• 55:20
  provider I'm talking about like if you're within that system and
• 55:23
  you're a doctor in that system, they are fucking insane.
• 55:26
  One of the doctors, we were the OBGYN that sucked originally.
• 55:29
  They had a thing where like it could have been one of, I want
• 55:32
  to say I'm a ballpark estimating, it could have been
• 55:34
  like 1 of 25 different people could have done my wife's like
• 55:38
  C-section because they just had a rotating list.
• 55:41
  We would only meet with like one of them, but they had like 1 of
• 55:42
  25 people. Imagine getting AC section from
• 55:44
  them. You don't know this other OBG we
• 55:47
  go to, it's one of three and one of them is an emergency person.
• 55:50
  And then like 2 of them like you get to know.
• 55:52
  And it's like, because they have to maximize, maximize, maximize
• 55:54
  efficiency, right? Like it's not necessarily about
• 55:57
  the people. And some of that's because of
• 55:58
  greed within the doctor. Some of that is like, you know,
• 56:01
  you work for an overarching provider and they're like, you
• 56:03
  need to make sure you're doing this number and you're getting
• 56:05
  this done, you know, and it kind of takes away from your ability
• 56:10
  to, to, to make decisions yourself.
• 56:12
  You know, it's also, it's like that thing like, I forget what
• 56:15
  state it is with some like, you know, where like it's up to a
• 56:18
  doctor, It's up to a doctor now to make the decision of when, if
• 56:22
  they want to give a late term abortion.
• 56:24
  I know it's getting a little, you know, political, but you
• 56:28
  know, that's because the, the red tape can be so high that
• 56:32
  there could be a situation where like the mother could die or the
• 56:34
  baby could be significantly impaired and die within a month.
• 56:37
  And it's so incredibly difficult to actually get approved for an
• 56:43
  abortion that like the wrong thing happens and people get
• 56:45
  hurt. And so they try to be like, OK,
• 56:47
  let the doctor make that decision, which makes sense to
• 56:50
  me. Generally speaking, that makes
• 56:51
  more sense to me. I think it would overall be
• 56:53
  better even if there are instances where the wrong thing
• 56:55
  happens because like a lot of times doctors don't get to
• 57:01
  decide what doctor like what should be able to do happen in a
• 57:04
  particular situation. Even though the doctor is
• 57:08
  probably going to know better than some fucking insurance
• 57:11
  agent that's an idiot. It has no idea what the fuck
• 57:14
  they're doing that isn't even a doctor and never has doctor
• 57:16
  experience. And then if a doctor wants to
• 57:18
  talk to another doctor that works for them, they have to
• 57:20
  petition to talk to the doctor, be like, hey, we're doing this
• 57:22
  because of this. Do you understand?
• 57:24
  It could be an insane amount of of work, you know?
• 57:27
  And this is how bad the American healthcare system is.
• 57:30
  I think this is a good example of the Natural History of this
• 57:34
  illness is not good. What a lot of people don't
• 57:37
  realize is that mental illness can be terminal.
• 57:43
  We don't think about it like it's terminal, but the mortality
• 57:46
  impact of something like schizophrenia is really high.
• 57:49
  Reduces life expectancy by like 20 years or something.
• 57:52
  I, I honestly that's, this is my sense of that's actually mind
• 57:56
  blowing to me. Like I never thought about that.
• 57:58
  Like a mental illness could be terminal.
• 58:01
  Like you don't think about that like something like, oh, you
• 58:02
  have cancer or you have like high blood pressure or you have
• 58:05
  a heart problems or these things make sense to me.
• 58:07
  They're physical and they're terminal, but like mental health
• 58:10
  issues, even in my head like, oh, that doesn't, I, I never
• 58:13
  would have considered like, Oh yeah, that could be terminal,
• 58:16
  right? Because then it's not right.
• 58:18
  The first thing is like, well, if you have a mental health
• 58:19
  issue and you decide to take your own life, like that's not
• 58:22
  a, that's you, you did that, you made a decision.
• 58:24
  But it's like, well, did you make that decision?
• 58:25
  You know what I mean? It's like, yes and no.
• 58:27
  Like the brain is a very finicky thing.
• 58:28
  They kind of it's just kind of kind of like a computer, you
• 58:32
  know, and it has an impact on your processing power, you know.
• 58:37
  So it might be, there might be a more finite, might be more
• 58:43
  finite terminal for something like, you know, the high blood
• 58:47
  pressure or, you know, some kind of heart disease or whatever.
• 58:50
  But still, I mean, mental health wise, yeah, it could be
• 58:54
  terminal. And you do make your own
• 58:55
  decisions to let your problem be get worse and worse if you have
• 58:58
  like a heart disease or something, let's be real, if
• 59:00
  you're eating poorly, you know, so, but I never really consider
• 59:02
  like that. That's actually kind of mind
• 59:03
  blowing to me. I don't know what the exact
• 59:05
  statistics are like. That's insane dude.
• 59:08
  Bipolar disorder I'm sure has a mortality.
• 59:11
  It's not my area of expertise. I.
• 59:12
  Don't tell me that people people with ADHD have lower life
• 59:15
  expectancy. What?
• 59:17
  What I have the stats right on my fingertips and I think this
• 59:20
  is a case of I mean. What the fuck?
• 59:25
  8 1/2 years or seven years for men, 8 1/2 for women?
• 59:30
  What the fuck? Oh, lifestyle habits.
• 59:36
  Damn. People with ADHD are more likely
• 59:38
  to smoke or have poor nutrition, Less exercise.
• 59:41
  I think it's because of yeah, the impulsivity of it all.
• 59:45
  That makes sense. OK well fuck Shit.
• 59:48
  I. Don't.
• 59:49
  We're going to. Work time, We never heard that.
• 59:50
  OK. No, if her husband's a bad dude
• 59:52
  never met, it's. Good that I know this.
• 59:53
  Though the guy you can do an astrological analysis as some
• 59:57
  people have done. Astrology Of course, women do be
• 1:00:00
  doing astrology to. Demonstrate how bad he is.
• 1:00:03
  Fine. I I'm not, I'm not Privy to
• 1:00:06
  that. I can't comment on that.
• 1:00:07
  I don't know what his his star chart says.
• 1:00:09
  OK. He's fucking beaming at this
• 1:00:12
  point. But like, mental illness is bad,
• 1:00:14
  y'all, and pregnancy in the postpartum period is bad.
• 1:00:17
  And what I think is really scary about this is like, sure,
• 1:00:19
  Lindsay Clancy's on trial and we're all paying attention to
• 1:00:21
  it. But my point is that like,
• 1:00:23
  literally this happens to 20 people every day in the US.
• 1:00:26
  So in the last year. Like I said, not to be
• 1:00:29
  insensitive. Again, this is like they're this
• 1:00:32
  is like, you know, women postpartum women's like George
• 1:00:35
  Floyd moment like I hate to be a fucking asshole, but this like
• 1:00:39
  that, it's just not the perfect victim, but it's like finally
• 1:00:41
  some there's people are talking about it.
• 1:00:44
  Even if they don't get it, at least we're talking about it on
• 1:00:46
  a national stage. Lindsay Clancy is not the only
• 1:00:50
  person that this is. This happened to 6000 women,
• 1:00:53
  7200 women in the last year in the United States.
• 1:00:58
  Did we realize that maybe it's 3000 women, maybe it's 4000
• 1:01:02
  women, maybe it's 10,000 women. People thinking like this is
• 1:01:04
  like a super rare occurrence. This is the case where things
• 1:01:07
  got really bad, right? And And then when people are
• 1:01:10
  like, what is wrong with these people?
• 1:01:14
  They say her fans have raised over 700,000.
• 1:01:21
  But like I, I want you guys to understand it like this.
• 1:01:23
  That's interesting. Like, are they fans of hers or
• 1:01:25
  are they people who are empathetic to her struggle and
• 1:01:27
  like want her to be able to have some kind of resource and they
• 1:01:29
  don't really know how to help her other than like, oh, let me
• 1:01:31
  get her a bunch of money? Because even the framing of
• 1:01:33
  like, oh, they're her fans. Like she has fans.
• 1:01:35
  Well, are they fans or are they people who to some degree
• 1:01:39
  understand the idea of being constantly failed by every
• 1:01:41
  single system that exists being over prescribed medication.
• 1:01:45
  Doctors aren't talking to each other about her constantly
• 1:01:47
  expressing that she has like these terrible thoughts and
• 1:01:50
  feelings and like nothing is really getting done properly.
• 1:01:52
  And she's got she's on like 15 or she has a prescription of
• 1:01:54
  like 15 different medications in it, you know, and they're like,
• 1:01:59
  this is really fucked up. I want to raise money to to help
• 1:02:01
  them because I've been there before in some capacity.
• 1:02:04
  After I gave birth, I didn't necessarily have psychosis, but
• 1:02:06
  it was so it was so stressful and maybe my husband wasn't
• 1:02:08
  helpful. Maybe the doctors were
• 1:02:10
  minimizing and with this, and maybe if I could raise money for
• 1:02:12
  her, I could help her get this and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:02:15
  You know that that makes tremendous amounts of sense to
• 1:02:18
  me, frankly. This is I, I don't think this is
• 1:02:21
  women being crazy. I think this is women
• 1:02:23
  understanding that this system has really let her down.
• 1:02:28
  Even if you have the perfect system, you're still going to
• 1:02:30
  have bad outcomes. Or if you have a great system, I
• 1:02:32
  I think there's 6000 women statistically somewhere in the
• 1:02:35
  ballpark who experienced what Lindsey Clancy went through.
• 1:02:38
  They didn't kill their kids, thank God.
• 1:02:40
  Or at least not that we know of. Or not that was public
• 1:02:42
  publicized or sensationalized. OK.
• 1:02:45
  That's why people are rallying behind this Well.
• 1:02:48
  I mean, this is might be a little bit of a niche hot take,
• 1:02:51
  but like, even if they're, you know, so overwhelmed that they
• 1:02:53
  cook less for their kids and they decide to go get fast food,
• 1:02:55
  that's unhealthy. I mean, is they may not be
• 1:02:58
  killing their kids, thankfully, but they might be attributing to
• 1:03:01
  negative like health outcomes because they're so stressed.
• 1:03:03
  You know what I mean? Like that could be something to
• 1:03:05
  think about as well. I don't.
• 1:03:06
  I don't know how committed I am to that take, but I think it's a
• 1:03:08
  take to think about. So this really demonstrates like
• 1:03:11
  a lack of understanding of what psychosis is.
• 1:03:14
  Well, this is this is really to me an ignorance of what mental
• 1:03:18
  illness can because now what's happened?
• 1:03:20
  This is so sad. But as mental illness has become
• 1:03:23
  so popular, right? And there's a bunch of TikTok
• 1:03:25
  diagnosis and everyone's depressed.
• 1:03:27
  I said that before. And everyone's got trauma.
• 1:03:29
  We have this vague idea of mental.
• 1:03:31
  Well, I'm sure she has some fans that make up conspiracy
• 1:03:33
  theories, but I don't. I think that most of them maybe
• 1:03:35
  aren't fans. Maybe most of them are like,
• 1:03:37
  actually reasonable, you know? Illness as a bucket and it's
• 1:03:40
  like bra you can be as depressed.
• 1:03:42
  I struggle with depression. I have trauma, I have ADHD.
• 1:03:45
  I'm not. Same here.
• 1:03:46
  Same here. Dude, I'm going around killing
• 1:03:47
  people. True.
• 1:03:48
  Psych I think about an. Obscene is when your experience
• 1:03:52
  of reality is so distorted, right?
• 1:03:54
  That, like psychosis, is also hey my kidneys are rotting
• 1:03:59
  inside me, can you please surgically remove them?
• 1:04:02
  Like, that's a documented delusion called the Cotard
• 1:04:06
  delusion. I've never heard that before
• 1:04:08
  people. Sounds pretty cotarded.
• 1:04:10
  People believe this, people will go to a hospital.
• 1:04:12
  I've seen these patients and they will ask you, oh, you're a
• 1:04:15
  doctor, can you please remove my kidney?
• 1:04:17
  And then I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 1:04:19
  And then they turn around and they said, I tried to do it
• 1:04:22
  myself, but I couldn't get the the angle right.
• 1:04:25
  And that's when you see there's blood dripping down their side
• 1:04:28
  and it's. OK, wow, incredible.
• 1:04:31
  That's not incredible. That's insane.
• 1:04:33
  It's like, do you think this person is responsible for their
• 1:04:37
  actions? Are they in their right mind?
• 1:04:40
  That is psychosis. And and this is what's also
• 1:04:42
  scary about it is like the distortion of right mind that
• 1:04:46
  most human beings are familiar with, like depression or
• 1:04:49
  anxiety. We say that too is not right
• 1:04:51
  mind. And I'm with you.
• 1:04:52
  But the really scary thing about psychosis, it's, it's like
• 1:04:54
  distortion on a whole different level.
• 1:04:57
  So I'll tell you guys a pleasant version.
• 1:05:00
  And by the way, you guys do not need to be scared OK, of people
• 1:05:03
  with schizophrenia or even who are psychotic.
• 1:05:06
  Oh, trust me, I am. Very few of them are violent, so
• 1:05:09
  I'll give you guys a great example, my favorite example.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, if she's found not guilty by ability, by insanity, she'll
• 1:05:15
  be institutionalized. This isn't something where she's
• 1:05:17
  going to be like running free. A patient that taught me about
• 1:05:19
  psychosis. I was working as an intern.
• 1:05:21
  And to be honest with you, you know, I hate to say this because
• 1:05:24
  her kids are dead and and I wouldn't say it's exclusively
• 1:05:27
  her fault. There's a tremendous amount of
• 1:05:28
  people who failed there. You know, it seems like based on
• 1:05:31
  looking at the situation, but like, imagine being in psychosis
• 1:05:38
  and then imagine getting your psychosis fixed.
• 1:05:40
  We'll say fixed lack of better term, managing it better.
• 1:05:43
  And imagine coming back down off of that psychosis.
• 1:05:46
  We'll call it a high lack of a better term.
• 1:05:48
  And then imagine it. Now she has to start grieving
• 1:05:50
  her children because she's like, oh, what the fuck did I do?
• 1:05:54
  Like, you know, it's like one of those things, I mean, in
• 1:05:58
  general, somebody dies, you know, like, you know, you have
• 1:06:00
  to pick up somebody like an uncle die or something.
• 1:06:02
  And, and it doesn't feel real yet.
• 1:06:04
  He hasn't really set in. And it starts to slowly set in
• 1:06:06
  and then holy fuck, like imagine that.
• 1:06:07
  Like she like her seems like to a degree, her whole life doesn't
• 1:06:11
  feel real right now. And so she comes back down off
• 1:06:14
  this high after, let's say she gets proper treatment.
• 1:06:16
  And then like when she's institutionalized, she's in some
• 1:06:17
  kind of a facility. And now it's just like, holy
• 1:06:23
  fuck, what did I do? You know, I kind of feel bad for
• 1:06:26
  her honestly, which is really fucked up.
• 1:06:29
  And I'd, I was working with a patient who had a delusional
• 1:06:32
  disorder. She had all kinds of delusions.
• 1:06:34
  And one day she comes up to me and she says, you know, I'm your
• 1:06:38
  mom, right? I'm like, what?
• 1:06:40
  She's like, yeah, there's a conspiracy.
• 1:06:43
  They don't, they're not going to let you know.
• 1:06:45
  But like, you're my my son. And I was like, no.
• 1:06:50
  And and she's like, no really, you are like, I know it's hard
• 1:06:52
  to accept, but you weren't there when you like you don't
• 1:06:55
  remember. Am I going to watch Shoe on
• 1:06:56
  Heads video on Lindsay Clancy? No, I don't think so.
• 1:07:01
  Like here's the thing, I knew Shoe on Head well enough to know
• 1:07:05
  that she just did a bunch of Twitter readings and didn't
• 1:07:08
  involve or engage with it intelligently whatsoever about
• 1:07:12
  what's going on with Lindsay Clancy.
• 1:07:14
  I think there's a lot of people that are like, oh, I can make
• 1:07:16
  money off this and they want to talk about it for money.
• 1:07:18
  And I think it's OK to make money talking about stuff like
• 1:07:20
  obviously I'll when I post a video, I'll get money on the
• 1:07:22
  video, of course, but I think that there is an active effort
• 1:07:25
  to try to sensationalize it in both directions.
• 1:07:27
  Right. We just watched that one video
• 1:07:28
  of this woman that was like going fucking ballistic in
• 1:07:31
  defense of Lindsay Clancy, you know, ridiculous.
• 1:07:34
  Then you know, she wanted to hits probably just be like,
• 1:07:35
  what's wrong with women? Maybe she might even make a
• 1:07:37
  joke. I and I have no idea.
• 1:07:38
  I could be completely wrong. She might even make a joke about
• 1:07:40
  how women shouldn't be present. This is why Kamala would have
• 1:07:42
  been bad. Like some stupid fucking take.
• 1:07:43
  Who the fuck knows? I think that looking at the
• 1:07:47
  situation, it's just like a really fucked up situation
• 1:07:49
  where, again, there's a lot of women who have gone through
• 1:07:52
  postpartum depression and it beat the shit out of them and
• 1:07:54
  they're feeling apathetic to Lindsey Clancy, who seems to
• 1:07:56
  have been failed constantly by like every doctor she interacted
• 1:07:58
  with. They weren't communicating with
• 1:08:00
  each other with the drugs that they were giving her and about
• 1:08:02
  her expressing how she wanted to harm herself and her children
• 1:08:05
  and all these different things. And like the conversation when
• 1:08:08
  it's brought back down to earth is like, is she innocent or is
• 1:08:11
  is she guilty of actively wanting to kill her kids or not?
• 1:08:16
  And her being innocent would mean she'd be institutionalized.
• 1:08:18
  And like, I get some of her struggle.
• 1:08:20
  I kind of get it. I kind of understand why some
• 1:08:21
  women are are applying themselves to the situation and
• 1:08:24
  they're experiencing the situation.
• 1:08:25
  And again, I said this before and I'm saying this with green
• 1:08:28
  assault. This is like there's George
• 1:08:29
  Floyd scenario. They're not the perfect victim,
• 1:08:31
  but like, hey, some people are finally starting to have the
• 1:08:33
  conversation about how fucked up postpartum depression is and how
• 1:08:36
  like people need to take it more seriously.
• 1:08:37
  Whether it's doctors or your husband or, you know, your
• 1:08:39
  friends and your family, they need more help, support
• 1:08:41
  structures and all these different things.
• 1:08:44
  I get it, you know, So like that, I feel like it would be
• 1:08:48
  unproductive to react. You know what?
• 1:08:50
  I'm like, what am I going to say about you?
• 1:08:51
  Oh, look, she's being stupid. You know, I'm getting to a point
• 1:08:54
  now where and it's probably not good for the drama aspect of my
• 1:08:58
  career, but like there's some conversations that are so
• 1:09:00
  unproductive or to react to that it makes me like not want to do
• 1:09:04
  it. This is productive.
• 1:09:06
  This is interesting. I am like I'm learning something
• 1:09:08
  about what's going on and I'm having like, I'm like, OK, I can
• 1:09:12
  I'm having a productive interpretation or interaction
• 1:09:14
  with this video and like the case because of that, I don't
• 1:09:17
  think that reacting to shoe on head is productive for anybody.
• 1:09:20
  It's probably the least productive thing that you could
• 1:09:22
  do is engage with somebody who's who's really just more focused
• 1:09:25
  on making money and following trends than trying to, you know,
• 1:09:27
  make sure that they're being careful about the way to talk
• 1:09:30
  about something. So I could be 100% wrong about
• 1:09:33
  that. But like every other video I've
• 1:09:34
  watched from her, that is the so like what would change now?
• 1:09:36
  I don't think I'm going to watch her video.
• 1:09:38
  For your birth, I remember your birth like, I'm your mother.
• 1:09:42
  No, you're not, lady. You're like 10 years older than
• 1:09:44
  I am. And she's like, Nope, I'm your
• 1:09:47
  mom. She's like if you don't.
• 1:09:48
  Tend to fucking kid early early then holy shit believe me.
• 1:09:51
  Victim status, am I right? Like compare.
• 1:09:54
  Compare for what might get rage baited online for attention, you
• 1:09:57
  know what I mean? Get adna test.
• 1:10:00
  Like if I'm going to do like if I'm going to do like fun, silly,
• 1:10:03
  stupid slop, it's usually going to be around like video game
• 1:10:05
  like fucking Andy pants, you know, like, oh, Andy pants is
• 1:10:08
  like a fucking moron. The situation isn't, you know, I
• 1:10:11
  rather this is my thing is I rather contribute like, you
• 1:10:13
  know, there's going to be clips that come out of this video and
• 1:10:15
  I'm going to put them out there of stuff that I find productive
• 1:10:17
  and interesting. And same thing with August.
• 1:10:19
  She'll find that as well. That's why she'll like give me
• 1:10:20
  those clips and and like I want people to see that that might
• 1:10:23
  take on this. I'm more interested in in this
• 1:10:25
  case, I'm more interested in people seeing my takes on the
• 1:10:28
  case rather than seeing me disagree with other people's
• 1:10:30
  takes. Does that make sense?
• 1:10:32
  Like, you know, and like, this is a perfect world.
• 1:10:35
  I'm not nearly as big as a content creator is.
• 1:10:36
  Or I mean, physically maybe. But like, you know, I put out a
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  take on social media and then like, oh, it's this
• 1:10:42
  understanding of this situation, this, this, this.
• 1:10:44
  And then people start to go like, oh, interesting, you know,
• 1:10:46
  And that has like an impact and be like, OK, I didn't think of
• 1:10:48
  it that way. Maybe I'm gonna be jerking
• 1:10:50
  myself off a little bit, but I'd rather that than be like, well,
• 1:10:53
  look at this person, They're being stupid.
• 1:10:54
  They're blah, blah. I get worked up.
• 1:10:55
  Like, is that productive? I I don't think so.
• 1:10:57
  So I was like, OK, I'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:11:01
  Next morning. I see her in the hall.
• 1:11:02
  She's like, hey, did you get that DNA test?
• 1:11:04
  What the fuck? I was like, no, she's like,
• 1:11:07
  well, she'll probably get that DNA test.
• 1:11:10
  All right. I'm proud of you, son.
• 1:11:12
  And then the next day she's like, did you get the DNA test?
• 1:11:14
  What do you do there? Like, 'cause, 'cause you're
• 1:11:18
  supposed to engage with your patient productively, you can't
• 1:11:20
  just say no to everything. You have to kind of like be
• 1:11:23
  like, you have to guide them to a conclusion.
• 1:11:25
  And so like, how do you deal with that?
• 1:11:26
  If like, it's counterintuitive to their overall issue.
• 1:11:29
  If you force the conclusion to aggressively like, how do you
• 1:11:31
  deal with that? And it's like, I don't even
• 1:11:35
  know, like what do you do? Like I'm not going to get ADNA
• 1:11:38
  test. Yeah, of course.
• 1:11:40
  Right, 'cause adna test would be I need to collect a blood sample
• 1:11:42
  for her from her and I have to go, I guess draw blood somewhere
• 1:11:46
  and get A and like I'm not going to go to my attending and be
• 1:11:48
  like hey, like so I I can't prove her wrong and every single
• 1:11:52
  time she gives me like. And then even if you proved her
• 1:11:54
  wrong, she might just be like, all the information is invalid,
• 1:11:56
  they're lying to you. There's a conspiracy.
• 1:11:59
  There's there's bugs in my head. Knowing smiles, she's like,
• 1:12:02
  yeah, I know. Oh, you didn't get it.
• 1:12:04
  OK probably safer that way. And and this is this is The
• 1:12:08
  thing is like I I worked. I just was like, I'm an alien.
• 1:12:10
  I, I've, I've born out of an egg.
• 1:12:12
  What and should I freak out? Though a lot of patients with
• 1:12:14
  schizophrenia and psychosis. You say yes, mommy.
• 1:12:17
  Nice. Many of them are like really
• 1:12:19
  pleasant, wonderful human beings.
• 1:12:20
  And it really is the illness. Yeah, like sometimes they have
• 1:12:25
  like bad days and, and things get hard.
• 1:12:27
  But I I think Lindsey Clancy is like a good example of in some
• 1:12:31
  ways a good patient. They're really trying, right.
• 1:12:33
  And I think that. Yeah, depending on the
• 1:12:35
  situation, it's better to meet the person with their delusion
• 1:12:37
  rather than causing distress. Yeah.
• 1:12:39
  That's why it gets so difficult to to be like, like some kind of
• 1:12:42
  a healthcare provider because you can't just like, no, I'm
• 1:12:43
  not. If that makes their overall
• 1:12:45
  condition worse, you don't want to affirm it.
• 1:12:48
  And you also don't want to get the test because that's like a
• 1:12:50
  improper boundary. But being like, oh, OK, like, I
• 1:12:52
  don't know about that. But then just kind of like
• 1:12:55
  almost letting it go, like what's the best for the patient
• 1:12:57
  in this situation? That's why her that there's a a
• 1:12:59
  tendency to sue her providers because she tried really hard,
• 1:13:03
  which is what her civil complaint seems to paint.
• 1:13:07
  She was absolutely engaged in treatment.
• 1:13:08
  I think the sad truth is that even if there isn't a
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  successful, I mean a messed up mental health care system, we
• 1:13:15
  still are not, we don't bat at 100.
• 1:13:17
  Like part of the problem of psychiatry is that we we can't
• 1:13:20
  MRI you, we can't do a blood test.
• 1:13:22
  We can't know definitively what's wrong.
• 1:13:23
  What's really scary about this is we can ask, right?
• 1:13:26
  The most we can do is ask, Hey, are you?
• 1:13:27
  And then someone says no, but that could change tomorrow.
• 1:13:29
  And how do you sit with like what do you do?
• 1:13:32
  Or they might lie because they don't want, they don't want like
• 1:13:38
  they're too nervous of like what could happen, which would be bad
• 1:13:42
  for her. But it's the same thing as like,
• 1:13:43
  hey, you know, are you diabetic? And you say no because they're
• 1:13:45
  going to be in the hospital and you don't want them to put you
• 1:13:47
  on a food restriction. It's got it is kind of like
• 1:13:51
  that. You know, you don't want to be
• 1:13:52
  restricted in some capacity. You want it to be noted in some
• 1:13:54
  capacity, you know. You just hospitalized people
• 1:13:57
  until they're what, what's the outcome that causes you to
• 1:14:01
  discharge them because they may still be afraid of becoming
• 1:14:04
  suicidal in the future. So I I think what I.
• 1:14:06
  And then you also have to keep in mind, like, what's the,
• 1:14:08
  what's the hospital's capacity for certain people and what does
• 1:14:11
  the insurance company allow, you know, so you might have, you
• 1:14:13
  might have to roll her over. It's like, we can't find
• 1:14:15
  anything. Let's roll her out.
• 1:14:16
  You know, like an Autobot. See in in women who this is
• 1:14:19
  affecting deeply is that there is a strong sense of empathy.
• 1:14:26
  What people are seeing, what women are seeing with Lindsey
• 1:14:28
  Clancy is there would I be but for the grace of God.
• 1:14:34
  What they see is in the back of their mind.
• 1:14:37
  There was one path, rare path, but you can see the possibility.
• 1:14:42
  Didn't Patrick marry someone? Looks like Lindsey?
• 1:14:44
  I don't know. Maybe.
• 1:14:45
  I mean, he might have a type. I don't know.
• 1:14:47
  That's not like shocking to me. You know what I mean?
• 1:14:49
  Ability of everything just really going downhill and they
• 1:14:54
  see a woman for whom everything went downhill.
• 1:14:57
  They see a woman who did try to get psychiatric help, right?
• 1:15:00
  And they, they, they feel those feelings, they grapple with
• 1:15:03
  those feelings. And they oftentimes felt those
• 1:15:05
  feelings in complete isolation because there's so much shame
• 1:15:08
  for having those feelings. And it's such a immense lonely
• 1:15:13
  struggle. And so I think a lot of people
• 1:15:15
  rally around that, right? And I think if we really want to
• 1:15:18
  understand what's going on, we need to understand if you're a
• 1:15:20
  dude on the planet today and you're confused about why all
• 1:15:24
  these women are are rallying behind Lindsey Clancy, what you
• 1:15:27
  really need to do is talk to a dozen women about what their
• 1:15:30
  experience of having children was like.
• 1:15:36
  Ultimately, I think that if you do that, then like that least
• 1:15:41
  Lindsay Clancy's children weren't killed in vain.
• 1:15:44
  I know that sounds horrible, but I mean, that's the most
• 1:15:49
  productive thing you could do because I don't know.
• 1:15:52
  I mean, I remember the other day I was being silly because I have
• 1:15:57
  mental health issues like nothing crazy.
• 1:15:59
  Like I have ADHDI have OCD like I you know, like I have ticks.
• 1:16:03
  The doctor thought I had Tourette's when I was born.
• 1:16:05
  My mother never tested me. You know, I they might be OCD
• 1:16:07
  related. They might be Tourette's
• 1:16:09
  specifically related. I have, but I have different
• 1:16:12
  issues and and whatever and not like TikTok prescribed right.
• 1:16:17
  And so like there's a higher outcome from what I've read of
• 1:16:19
  having or rather specifically I'm behavioral.
• 1:16:23
  That's really more what I wanted to get to.
• 1:16:25
  That's the point I was making. And like there's a higher chance
• 1:16:28
  of being a behavioral if the mother is stressed when like the
• 1:16:31
  baby's and the woman. I just asked my mother one day.
• 1:16:33
  I've never asked her. That's like, were you stressed
• 1:16:34
  when you were giving birth to me?
• 1:16:35
  Because I'm behavioral and she's and she's well, she was being
• 1:16:38
  snob, being sarcastic about it, but she's like, no, I wasn't
• 1:16:41
  stressed. Of course.
• 1:16:42
  I was like a single mom. My fucking husband left me.
• 1:16:44
  I was working, you know, a job where I was working like 1012
• 1:16:47
  hours a day, you know? Right.
• 1:16:51
  But I've never heard that before.
• 1:16:52
  I know my mother's never opened up about how difficult, you
• 1:16:54
  know, it was to raise me. I mean, I've gotten bits and
• 1:16:56
  pieces of it, but she doesn't complain about it.
• 1:16:57
  And it's like, you know, some people aren't going to just,
• 1:17:01
  they're not going to volunteer that information.
• 1:17:03
  So like, yeah, maybe sit down and ask that question.
• 1:17:06
  What was it like for you when you were pregnant?
• 1:17:11
  After you were pregnant? What were the goods and the
• 1:17:13
  bads? I mean, for all I know, I could
• 1:17:15
  have been raised horrifically like shit if I didn't have so
• 1:17:17
  many other people step in, you know, like I have like an entire
• 1:17:22
  other family that's I'm not even blood related to step in, but
• 1:17:25
  from my Aunt Kathy who married into my family with my Uncle Ed,
• 1:17:28
  you know what I mean? Like imagine I didn't have that
• 1:17:30
  support structure or the different people that watched me
• 1:17:33
  that wished my mom made friends with like White Castle or this
• 1:17:35
  or that. So, you know, I think that that
• 1:17:41
  is at least the most productive thing that you could do is just
• 1:17:43
  like talk to a person, usually a woman, I obviously, but talk to
• 1:17:47
  a person about their experience with being pregnant and giving
• 1:17:51
  birth and raising kids and, you know, see what their opinion is
• 1:17:55
  and, and what specifically how they dealt with their
• 1:17:59
  postpartum. So anyway, this is I think was
• 1:18:01
  the best video I could have ever watched on this topic.
• 1:18:03
  Lindsey Clancy debate has ruined the chances of a woman becoming
• 1:18:06
  president for at least the next 16 years.
• 1:18:09
  What? I don't understand how that even
• 1:18:13
  is a thought that crosses into your mind.
• 1:18:14
  And I'm pretty sure the Lindsey Clancy debate is, hey, she did
• 1:18:18
  it, but like, how big were the warning signs and how much did
• 1:18:22
  her husband ignore the warning signs?
• 1:18:24
  I don't know what this has to do with the fucking women's rights
• 1:18:26
  right now, but OK. It seems like you want to have
• 1:18:29
  an excuse to hate women. And it's been 80 years arguing
• 1:18:32
  that women are not controlled by their hormones and that are not
• 1:18:35
  likely to go off the rails suddenly due to psychosis or
• 1:18:39
  being hysterical. I don't think this was like a
• 1:18:41
  sudden situation. Also don't think most women have
• 1:18:45
  a meltdown and kill their kids So what the fuck are you talking
• 1:18:49
  about? And then you have wine moms on
• 1:18:52
  TikTok and on threads completely undoing that work.
• 1:18:55
  I voted for Hillary in 2016. That's great.
• 1:18:58
  I voted for Kamala in 2024. Not as a Vote Blue no matter
• 1:19:02
  who. I genuinely thought both of them
• 1:19:04
  would be at least competent leaders.
• 1:19:07
  Yeah, they certainly would have been better than the rapist
• 1:19:11
  who's destroying the economy. I wonder why nobody attributes
• 1:19:15
  his failures to being a man, but if you're a woman and you do
• 1:19:18
  something wrong, they attribute it to you being a woman.
• 1:19:21
  Seems interesting. No, Hillary less so Kamala.
• 1:19:24
  I thought she was great. The fact that women are online
• 1:19:26
  arguing that a woman is not morally or legally culpable for
• 1:19:30
  strangling her children to death because she had hormonal issues
• 1:19:33
  means that when it comes time for a woman to be president,
• 1:19:37
  those same arguments will be used to say that she's going to
• 1:19:40
  start a war because of her hormones or.
• 1:19:43
  I this video is stupid. I I this point what is the what
• 1:19:46
  is the point of this? I don't really get this.
• 1:19:48
  Use nukes because of her PMSI. Live in a Republican state and I
• 1:19:53
  spent hours upon hours arguing that Kamala was not going to
• 1:19:55
  start a war or nuke another country because of PMS or
• 1:19:59
  menopause. Yeah, she wasn't.
• 1:20:01
  Trump is much more likely to do that.
• 1:20:02
  Only four millennial women on threads and TikTok to turn
• 1:20:07
  around and stomp that shit into the dirt.
• 1:20:10
  I'm. You're this guy is such a loser.
• 1:20:12
  This is like, this is just such like pathetic beta bitch boy
• 1:20:14
  behavior, like desperate for attention.
• 1:20:16
  There are a lot of people justifying what Lindsay Clancy
• 1:20:19
  did and that's obviously wrong. But to sit here and say that
• 1:20:21
  this is like some kind of like, hey, this is this is so bad for
• 1:20:25
  women's rights. You're the one highlighting that
• 1:20:27
  she did it because she's a woman.
• 1:20:29
  Men get angry too. Do you guys remember when
• 1:20:30
  everybody justified sex trafficking rapist Andrew Tate
• 1:20:33
  who was violently beating children and raping them because
• 1:20:36
  he was cool and you know, toxic masculinity is actually a good
• 1:20:40
  thing? Nobody said all men are bad
• 1:20:42
  because of that. But like you guys are like, oh,
• 1:20:44
  look, all women are bad. Like you're making a dumb
• 1:20:46
  argument. You're and his argument be like,
• 1:20:48
  well, I'm not saying that they that all the women are bad, but
• 1:20:50
  other people are going to look at that and say like no when a
• 1:20:52
  woman does something wrong. People like this, this little
• 1:20:54
  cuck boy. Now I know why you voted a
• 1:20:56
  Kamala. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:58
  We'll highlight it's because they're a woman.
• 1:21:00
  But when a man does something wrong, it's just because like
• 1:21:03
  men are insanely fucking emotional.
• 1:21:06
  What are you talking about? They just, they express it
• 1:21:10
  through violence. We went to a war because Trump
• 1:21:13
  could not figure out another way to distract from the Epstein
• 1:21:16
  files and he desperately wanted to bomb children in the name of
• 1:21:19
  Israel. I don't know what the fuck
• 1:21:20
  you're talking about. What are you talking about?
• 1:21:23
  Dude you are so fucking cock brained.
• 1:21:26
  I'm not supporting A Woman for President 2028 not because I
• 1:21:29
  don't think that they would be good at the job, but because I
• 1:21:31
  have more important pressing issues to focus on in the
• 1:21:34
  apologetics. What in the philosophy, then?
• 1:21:37
  Arguing whether or not her own hormones are going to be an
• 1:21:40
  issue when there are women on the left?
• 1:21:43
  Arguing that hormones do not make you culpable for your
• 1:21:46
  actions, obviously. What the fuck is this guy
• 1:21:48
  talking about? You say he's not going to vote
• 1:21:50
  for a woman now? Wow, what a cuck.
• 1:21:52
  He just kind of seems like this guy wants to go for some kind of
• 1:21:54
  like weird cuck grift there. Obviously, not every woman is
• 1:21:56
  pro Lindsey Clancy. No shit, idiot.
• 1:21:59
  But you need to understand the phenomenal amount of damage this
• 1:22:03
  has done. It hasn't.
• 1:22:04
  It's, it's done almost no damage.
• 1:22:06
  Let's be fucking real. It's some like pretty much no
• 1:22:08
  damage. There are some women that are
• 1:22:10
  coping. Frankly, I think this guy's like
• 1:22:11
  misrepresenting the argument. There's always going to be like
• 1:22:13
  these fringe extremists on the Internet that say dumb shit for
• 1:22:17
  the most part. Again, the conversation about
• 1:22:18
  Lindsay Clancy, as we know she did it, but like, how much were
• 1:22:22
  the how? How big were the warning signs
• 1:22:23
  there was the husband paying enough attention?
• 1:22:26
  Those are the kind of kind of conversations also, yes,
• 1:22:28
  psychosis and hormones. But like to sit here and have
• 1:22:31
  this take that like, oh, you're basically saying like you,
• 1:22:34
  you're not going to support a woman because of Lindsay Clancy
• 1:22:37
  is why the same thing as women saying we need to like kill all
• 1:22:40
  men because men are the majority of the rapists and the
• 1:22:42
  pedophiles and all these other horrific human beings.
• 1:22:44
  So like you're just doing a kill all men.
• 1:22:46
  What the fuck is this guy talking about?
• 1:22:48
  To the thought of women in politics or women's rights as a
• 1:22:52
  whole. What a fucking goofy dingus
• 1:22:54
  bitch holy shit. Has been catastrophic.
• 1:22:57
  OK, it hasn't been. You want it to seem like that
• 1:23:00
  'cause you're looking for a certain type of attention from a
• 1:23:01
  certain group of people because you want views.
• 1:23:03
  That's it. Like the Lindsay Clancy
• 1:23:06
  situation is not like, oh look, all women are bad, but OK,
• 1:23:09
  listen, whatever. Cope Do you need to get through
• 1:23:11
  your fucking day?