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The Late Debate | 18 May · The Late Debate

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the lake to please.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. It's great to have your company.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with the Nekir To Georgio and filling
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  Speaker 2: in for our great mate calib Bond, A wonderful Joe Hildebrand.
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: How was your weekend, guys?
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  Speaker 3: Fantastic. I went to a Greek christening. I had to
• 0:18
  Speaker 3: just leave it to pop in here because it's still going. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I feel sorry for Persia. Those guys just keep going.
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: They just go and go and go and go.
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  Speaker 2: How was a Greek christening different to a regular christening?
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  Speaker 3: About six hours? So the service that was went to
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  Speaker 3: Greek Orthodox Church, which I absolutely loved. You would hate it.
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  Speaker 4: It's just jam packed full of icons, nothing but icons.
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  Speaker 2: I would hate it. I'm not really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you would come on and then they and so
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  Speaker 3: that was at midday. That went for nearly two hours.
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  Speaker 3: And then that was just their service, and then we
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  Speaker 3: came here. Don't want to give away any state secrets,
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  Speaker 3: but came here, recorded quizzical and then went back to
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  Speaker 3: the sort of reception at like four o'clock or something.
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  Speaker 3: It was still going. They were just serving the main
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  Speaker 3: wow and it still had another two hours to go.
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  Speaker 3: You had to dance in a circle for two hours,
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  Speaker 3: holding hands.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't didn't didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I got to find out can you beat that?
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  Speaker 5: For a weekend I went and saw Five. Now I
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  Speaker 5: alluded to this last week. This was the nineties boy band.
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  Speaker 5: I spoke to Joel about this. At least Joe knows
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  Speaker 5: who Five is. You didn't know who Five was, really
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  Speaker 5: great band. So they did this reunion too. I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to waffle on about this for too long, but
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  Speaker 5: they're now in their late forties, a little bit puffed out,
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  Speaker 5: but cutos to them.
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  Speaker 6: You know, they were still busting.
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  Speaker 5: Out those nineties dance moves, you know, with the hats,
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  Speaker 5: so that they were bending down like this.
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  Speaker 2: It was great the family to the Opera House because
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  Speaker 2: none of us had ever been to a performance at
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney Opera House and we saw a brilliant one
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: man show. I think it was called the Happiest Man
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: on Earth or the Happiest Man Alive. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: true story about a German jew who went through our Schwitzer,
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  Speaker 2: ended up in Australia, built a great life for himself,
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  Speaker 2: and it was sort of how he'd overcome all of
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  Speaker 2: that tragedy in his early life to live it.
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  Speaker 5: All I can say is I think our individual weekends
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  Speaker 5: tell a lot about our individual personalities on this show
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  Speaker 5: right now they do.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the program. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. The social media ban means young people are
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: getting less access to news. Is that a bad thing?
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  Speaker 2: And if it is, what should we do about it?
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: You've heard that expression the lunatics so running the asylum
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  Speaker 2: will in the UK, that's literally happening. Violent psychopaths are
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  Speaker 2: being paid to provide expert advice on how mental patients
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: should be treated, and a Hollywood film director slams the
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  Speaker 2: classic movie Frankenstein for being transphobic. We'll get to all
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  Speaker 2: of that shortly, but first, a new poll says Angus
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  Speaker 2: Taylor is now the preferred prime minister. The Resolved Political
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  Speaker 2: Monitor poll has the coalition leader on thirty three percent,
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  Speaker 2: leading Albanezi on thirty percent. Angus Taylor spent the past
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  Speaker 2: hour taking questions from Sky News viewers, and my personal
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  Speaker 2: favorite was this question from Brett in Aubrey. Now listen
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  Speaker 2: to what Angus Taylor says, but keep your eye on
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  Speaker 2: Brett's reaction.
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  Speaker 1: I keep hearing you say that we needed to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of net zero. Mate, will you formly withdraw from
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  Speaker 1: the Paris Agreement?
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  Speaker 7: Thanks Brett, Thanks Brett, thanks for the question. Look, we
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  Speaker 7: will get rid of we will get rid of net zero.
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  Speaker 7: We're not proposing to get out of the Paris Agreement because, frankly,
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  Speaker 7: it's not going to change anything we do.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see Brett shaking his head? He was having
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  Speaker 2: none of that. And when our colleague Paul Murray asked
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  Speaker 2: Brett to explain his obvious dissatisfaction, Well, Brett from Aubrey
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  Speaker 2: did not miss.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that actions speak loud of the words, Paul, Mate,
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  Speaker 1: if you're prepared to get rid of that zero, why
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  Speaker 1: not get rid of the agreement?
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  Speaker 2: Telling Australians they're ditching that zero while remaining in an
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  Speaker 2: international treaty that commits ust zero doesn't exactly engender trust sneaker.
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  Speaker 5: No, Brett was very loud about his response to that,
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  Speaker 5: and good on him. And I actually do agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Paris requires emissions reduction targets, right, so we're
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  Speaker 5: already down this net zero twenty to fifty pathway down
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  Speaker 5: into the never never. But you've got the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 5: saying no, well, we're going to stay in Paris, but
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  Speaker 5: we're not committed to net zero by twenty fifty. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if you stay in Paris, is that not signal that
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  Speaker 5: you are then committed to a trying to achieve and
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  Speaker 5: attain these reduction targets. I feel like the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 5: are bit half in half out on this because they're
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  Speaker 5: not climate zealots, are they? Because I say, no, we're
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  Speaker 5: not interested in net zero by twenty fifty. But they're
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily climate deniers either, because they're saying, well, we
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  Speaker 5: need to stay within the Paris agreement. So I almost
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  Speaker 5: feel like is this some sort of a middle road
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  Speaker 5: that the party is opting for, maybe to appease the
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  Speaker 5: till vote and a number of these city seats.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's all that I can really put it
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  Speaker 6: down to.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't quite understand why you would bother staying
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  Speaker 5: in Paris if you're not committed to zero twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they're speaking out both sides of their mouths, aren't they.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to say one thing to one group of
• 5:09
  Speaker 3: voters and another thing to another group of voters, or
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  Speaker 3: our international treaty partners, but I mean, really anglers tales
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  Speaker 3: just beild the cat, which is we know that these
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  Speaker 3: targets were always going to be unachievable. We know that
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to reach them, and that's pretty much
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  Speaker 3: what he just said. We're just going, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 3: just stay in it because effectively it's meaningless because it's
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  Speaker 3: not binding, and if we don't get there, who gives
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  Speaker 3: our rats? And we're not going to try to get
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  Speaker 3: to net zeit, which.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: Makes the question, if it's meaningless, why.
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  Speaker 3: Not withdraw because he can then go but if he
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: does become Prime minister, go on a little jet setting tour,
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: hang out with all the other world letters, say oh no, yes,
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  Speaker 3: of course we're still committed to the Powers agreement, and
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: then come back here and say something completely different to
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  Speaker 3: the voters that it's a bit of a yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: we're still in the Paris Agreement. Nudge nudge, wig huh, don't.
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  Speaker 4: Worry about that.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest, this is the sort of thing,
• 6:00
  Speaker 3: and we saw it from Brett that drives voters absolutely feral.
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  Speaker 3: It makes them absolutely filthy. I was doing a podcast
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  Speaker 3: earlier today with some pretty willing type who I think
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  Speaker 3: it's fair to say all in on the Orange.
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  Speaker 4: They're all in with one nation.
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  Speaker 3: And one of them was just saying to me, just
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  Speaker 3: a normal sort knock about boers. Why can't politicians just
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: say what they mean? Why can't they just tell us
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: what's going on? And I think and this is where
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: Sener right and Senna left politics, like the political class
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  Speaker 3: really lost lost control of people in the sort of
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: late the nineties and two thousands. I think they thought, oh, well,
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: it's fine, they can't go anywhere else anyway, we know
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  Speaker 3: what's best, and it's going to be this. It's globalization,
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  Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, and they and they end up
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  Speaker 3: talking to.
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  Speaker 2: Joe the Liberal Party. They've got political considerations, right, So
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  Speaker 2: if they stay in NIT zero, then they can go
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC and they're not going to get well,
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  Speaker 2: you don't believe in climate change, you're denying that there's
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  Speaker 2: a problem. Oh no, no, we're still part of NIT zero,
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  Speaker 2: we're still part of the Paris Agreement. We're still committed
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  Speaker 2: to trying to reduce emissions. So it sort of quarterizes
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: them from that criticism. But there's not just political considerations here.
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  Speaker 2: There's a perception problem with the coalition, and the perception
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  Speaker 2: is they say what people want them to hear, but
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  Speaker 2: then they become cowards when given the chance to actually
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  Speaker 2: take action. And I think the perception problem is more
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  Speaker 2: of a risk to the coalition than the political consideration.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and this is exactly why one nation are surging
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  Speaker 5: in the polls right now, because I think that voters
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  Speaker 5: are looking for politicians of conviction and politicians of strength,
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  Speaker 5: and they are not finding that from the two major parties.
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  Speaker 5: And the only one who was saying, hang on a second,
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  Speaker 5: let's pull out of Paris, let's ditch these targets is
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  Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson, and she's speaking honestly to Australian voters. And
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  Speaker 5: that is what the Conservative vote, or very strong part
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  Speaker 5: of the Conservative vote, are looking for.
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  Speaker 6: And you're not going to claw back that Conservative.
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  Speaker 5: Vote if you're half in, half out when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to energy, when it comes to climbate, look, I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I do you know Angus Taylor tonight spoke about having
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  Speaker 5: nuclear in the mix. Fantastic. We didn't see nuclear really
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  Speaker 5: pursued towards the end of the election campaign. It's sort
• 8:10
  Speaker 5: of all vanished under under Peter Dutton's campaign. So are
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  Speaker 5: we going to now see something with strength and conviction
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  Speaker 5: from the coalition because that's what we need and we
• 8:19
  Speaker 5: need policies now, sooner rather than later, rather than kicking
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  Speaker 5: it down the track, just like migration, when we speak
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  Speaker 5: about this all the time, where's the number?
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  Speaker 6: Where is it? Where is it?
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  Speaker 5: Put a figure, put put name it and don't be
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  Speaker 5: a coward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's give some credit to Angus Taylor to come
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  Speaker 2: on Paul Murray's program and take viewer questions for an hour.
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  Speaker 2: It was really refreshing. I thought it was really interesting
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  Speaker 2: and I quite liked a lot of what Angus Taylor
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: said that Anthony Albanezi, your mate Joe would come on.
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  Speaker 3: For an hour with Paul Murrow's viewers after Paul just
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  Speaker 3: invited him.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure he's just jumped in, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, heading in the opposite direction he won.
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  Speaker 6: Harbor.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a couple of hours drive from Camber. He
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: does like to reside in the National capital, so I'm
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: sure i'll be here just after one am. But it's interesting,
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: you know, talk about Pauline Hansen can afford to say
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  Speaker 3: whatever she wants, She can afford to be provocative, and
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  Speaker 3: not having to worry about pleasing different cohorts because she
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: never faces the serious prospect although she's getting closer actually
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  Speaker 3: forming just quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Saw to cut you off. But that's why she's doing
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  Speaker 2: well because she's not worried about trying to please different cohorts.
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  Speaker 2: She's saying what she actually thinks and then enabling Australians.
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  Speaker 3: So once you get into government, then you do end
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  Speaker 3: up having to make compromises, you do end up having
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: to please different groups.
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  Speaker 2: And as Taylor's not in government.
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  Speaker 4: And that is one of the things.
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  Speaker 3: No, that is true, but I suppose he's behaving more
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  Speaker 3: like a conventional operator. Another thing that costs talk about
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  Speaker 3: nuclear Peter Dutton. The last election was the Chinese community
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  Speaker 3: and there was a sense that the coalition was anti
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  Speaker 3: well by being so stridently anti immigration that it was
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: actually anti immigrant. And this was a massive reversal of
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  Speaker 3: the result in the Chinese community in twenty nineteen when
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election, largely because you may remember,
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: there were those sort of controversial Chinese language campaign ads
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: that the Libs us but it was very very effective
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  Speaker 3: and the Chinese diaspora swung against labor in a massive way.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: Why is this important? Well, Simon Benson from The Australian
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  Speaker 3: has done a bit of an analysis of what's going on,
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  Speaker 3: and it looks like it could be happening again. Now
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: there are one point five million members of the what
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: you might call the Chinese diaspora. Chinese Australians have some
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: links to China or the home country or some Chinese background.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: Now apparently we chat, which of.
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: Course is the Chinese version of Twitter that you know,
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: most of us would have no idea what's going on,
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: and it can be a closed circuit's run by the
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  Speaker 3: Commons Party.
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  Speaker 4: But apparently it is going.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely ballistic because of the negative gearing and capital means
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: tax changes. Apparently this is just running absolutely hot, and
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  Speaker 3: political operators are monitoring this and thinking, hang on a second,
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  Speaker 3: we could be looking at a rerun of twenty nineteen. Because,
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: of course, the reason they went against labor in twenty
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: nineteen is that these are exactly the same proposals that
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: Bill Shortened took to the election. And these Chinese, this
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: Chinese cohort is aspirational. They're fleeing the Communist Party. So
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: these are often people who are wanting to get ahead.
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: They're in business, they're investing, they're trying to make a future.
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: We know that migrants generally make huge use of capital
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: gains and negative gearing because they think that, you know,
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: bricks and mortar is the only real estates called real
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: for a reason. It's the only investment that's safeest houses.
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: And now they're starting to get really alarmed at these changes.
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  Speaker 3: And that means seats like Read and ben Along which
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: Labor was very lucky to pick up the last couple
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: of elections in Sydney and Banks as well, and even
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: Chisholm in Melbourne which is around box Hill, which is
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: like the biggest Chinese union by country. Mah, this could
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: be the big swing that turns Anti Albanese into Kiirstarma
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: and none of us even know about it because it's
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: all in Mandarin.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: You've got to give it to Anthony Albanesi and Jim
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Chalmers Denika. I mean, they have managed to do what
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: they've been talking about for the longest time, and that
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: is to create social cohesion because they've created a budget
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: that literally everybody in the country hates. Everybody in the
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: country is worse off. So they've got social cohesion and
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: here's the crazy thing to do it. They went and
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: broke a promise to have everybody hate them and everybody
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: worse off. What's interesting, Joe, about the Chinese community is,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: according to this research, many of them are saying they
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: are not blaming negative gearing at all for the housing crisis.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: They're blaming guess what it is, Danika, Well, migration, Well,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: the Chinese community. They are saying that many migrants, yes,
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: that which is extra which is extraordinary really because labor
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: prides itself on its migration.
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: It doesn't it, but it is the only thing right
• 13:12
  Speaker 5: now that is propping up this Ponzi scheme economy is
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: migration and the door is firmly open under labor.
• 13:18
  Speaker 6: Look, migrants are not stupid.
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: And to your point, Joe, aspiration isn't just confined to
• 13:26
  Speaker 5: every day as or Australian born citizens, Chinese people and
• 13:30
  Speaker 5: other migrants. They come here for a better life and
• 13:33
  Speaker 5: to try and get ahead. And they also said in
• 13:36
  Speaker 5: this it is very actually a very good article. I
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: would employ you to read it that the concern is
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: that the CGT discount would destroy Chinese wealth, that that
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: is the key issue that they're can concerned about, and
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: This could be a really good opportunity I think for
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: the Coalition to try and claw back some of that
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: Chinese vote. You recall as well the last election when
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: Jane Hume made that comment that Chinese spies were volunteering
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: for Labour's campaigning Labor volunteers, and that was.
• 14:05
  Speaker 6: An absolute disaster.
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: I think that that was probably the straw that broke
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  Speaker 5: the camel's back.
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  Speaker 2: And Labour needs some spies in the Chinese community to
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: find out how they can better manage that.
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: Maybe they should, but you know what, this could be
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: a really good opportunity for the Coalition to capitalize this
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: and bring back that vote, because yeah, it doesn't just
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: affect everyday Australians. These vote and now we're talking about
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: death taxes as well, so there's tax, tax, tax, it's
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: all these sneaky little changes that's going to affect every
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: man and their dog in this country under the guys
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: of no, we're doing this for our future, when really
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: it's just a simple ploy for the fact that Labor
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: spent too much money and now they're trying to cover
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: their own backsides.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: The trick is, though they can't afford to be seen
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: as anti Margaret and they also can't afford to be
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: too tough or talk too tough on China, because that
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: was what hurts Scott Morrison in twenty twenty two. Again,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: this is the catch twenty two for the Coalition, something
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: that you know, Pauline Hanson doesn't have to worry about.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: They've got to think about, right, We've got to walk
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: this fine line here. If they act or big and
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: belligerent on China, you could turn off those Chinese born
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: or voters who saw that as an attack on them,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: even though it was an attack on the CCPEA. And
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: so you've got to you know, and again we saw
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: John Howard take a long time to win back Chinese
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: voters in Benelong after his comments about you know, too
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: many Asians being here.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: So it is.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: One of those things where it's all well and good
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: to go, you know, you know, get out there, punch
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: and get out there swinging into the ring, but you
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: might accidentally knock out someone who's vote you need with
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: a haymaker.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Yep, that's a very very fair point. Well, I'm going
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: to ask you a question at home. Apparently it's the
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: hardest question of our time. What is a woman? Well,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: apparently Australia doesn't know if you're up to date with
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Giggle versus Tickle the appeal on Friday. But over in
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: the UK I will say this, they are streets ahead
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: of us when they when it comes to this. Of course,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: there was a Supreme Court decision last year. They seem
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: to at least know what a woman is. But now
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: the National Health Service could be flooded with thousands of
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: lawsuits from female staff over biological men who identify as
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: women using single sex female only spaces. Now this comes
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: after an NHS employee in Leeds was successful ensuing health
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: services bosses this week and then she argued that she
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: was discriminated against and harassed because transgender colleagues were told
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: that they were able to use single sex facilities.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: This is just absolutely extraordinary.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: You know they're meant to be private spaces for women,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: but then suddenly you have got a man wearing a
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: dress saying, well, no, look, I'm a woman. I want
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: to come into the toilet, I want to come into
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: the change room. But that's where we're at now right
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: now around the world, have a look at this statistic.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: Ninety seven percent of one hundred and ninety NHS trust
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: in England with outdated policies permitting transgender biological males to
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: use women only spaces. Now the problem is is that
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: the NHS is yet to update its guidelines to reflect
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: that Supreme Court ruling that I mentioned last year. So
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: this was when the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that a
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: woman and sex under the Equality Act exclusively applies to
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: the biological sex at birth. Well, who would have thought,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: But many trusts are still awaiting guidelines from the body.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: At least the UK has that we're still under the
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: old Julia Gillard Sex Discrimination Act here where well male
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and female is basically irrelevant, so biological sex is deemed
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: irrelevant in this country. I thought this was quite interesting.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Over in the UK, you two will recall there was
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: that nurse Sandy Peggy when she confronted a biological man
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: who identifies as a woman, a doctor who is now
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: working in Australia by the way, when this doctor entered
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: the change rooms and the nurse Sandy Peggy ended up
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: getting suspended for it has been hauled through the courts
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: And this is why Giggle versus Tickle that appeal decision
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: was so important because it actually affects every single one
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: of us. It affects our ability of freedom of speech.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: It affects freedom of expression because if you talk about
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: this and you dare to say, well, no, a man
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: can't be in a woman's faces, even though under our
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: laws you can be, you might just find yourself hold
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: in front of a court, or like here, flooded with
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: thousands of lawsuits.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: What's really interesting about this particular case in the UK
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: is that the woman who successfully sued the NHS never
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: encountered a trans person in a bathroom, never, by our knowledge,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: came into contact with a trans person. The argument was,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and this is I think a new argument at least
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I've not heard this one before. By allowing trans people
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to use female toilets, you are not creating a safe
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: workplace for women, for Muslim women, or for women who've
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: got PST PTSD because of male abuse. So her argument
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: is you have failed in your to provide me with
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I feel unsafe, and by allowing this, you've made that possible.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: So she's got what is it fifty pounds, twenty five
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: thousand pounds? What was it it? Twenty five thousand pounds.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: She's been awarded and there's now the suggestion that this
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: may result in numerous cases brought against.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: The common law President. Now, so that's that's pretty much
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it. It's the same system of law that we inherit.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: So it's an interesting argument this you've failed to provide
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: my safe work.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: No brainer.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Again, I think the Giggle versus Tickle our court case
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: could be a massive pyrrhic victory, a massive own goal,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: because it sets up a legislative showdown between Angus Taylor
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: who said he's going to the Coalition and that's private
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Members Bill said they're going to introduce a law to
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: change the definition. Now, this is something that Albo and
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Labor will not want to touch with a barge poll,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: especially when you've got one nation on the rise, as
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: if this is the hill that you want to die
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: on when you're being attacked for being two PC or
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: two and so again, this would have been a really
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: good court case not to win and indeed not to bring.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: And I think the wisdom of the wisdom of rox
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Antiicle actually bringing this case and the activists who did
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: it might find that they will regret this move. They
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: really haven't thought too far ahead, and often these activists aren't, particularly.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Without without getting too off track, just really briefly, what's
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: your thought as to how labor will handle this.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I think we'll just try to run dead. That's already
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: had sort of some bizarre noises where it said, oh,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: this is you know the coalition. You know they're anti
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: women or anti trans and they're antimiagrant and blah blah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: which is a really stupid connection to make. And again
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: we know that just saying oh, you can't say that
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: because you're racist, or you can't say that because you're
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: transphobic just makes people absolutely furious because you're not engaging.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But you think that's what they're going to try and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I think they are just going to want to just
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: shut it down any way they can and avoid having
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: any sort of discussion because if they buy into it,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I'll get attacked by the activist left who are too
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: stupid to know when to shut the hell up. And
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: they will have all these blue collar workers in regional
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and outer suburban Australia who now drifting to one nation.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: What do you think they're going to do when they see.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Labor going into bat for the biological value to be
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: part of the particular this is.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: The problem but this is the problem now, isn't it
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: that this has become a controversial issue. It was never
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: a controversial issue, but Labor and the left have made
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: it controversial. It's actually just very very basic biology, but
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: it's gone to this politicized, warped trans ideology. It's like
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: a runaway train now into the never never. And I
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: would argue that a lot of people on the left
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: are also worried about the erasure of women's rights, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: you're right, Labor are not going to want to touch
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: this adult. Last year, alexanderk and Matt Canavan tried to
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: get a bill up to try and restore the definitions
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: of biological sexes within the Sex Discrimination Act. Labor used
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: its numbers in the Senate to make sure that the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: bill wasn't even read, and then the Minister for Women,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Katie Gallaher, came out and said no, well, it would
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: be wrong of the Australian government to cause harm. What
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: about the harm to Australian women, to biological women, to
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: women's rights.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: They don't want to.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Touch this issue because the left, the left all about
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: diversity and tolerance.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: That's their motto.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: If you want to know how crazy this whole discussion
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: is getting In the United States, a film director has
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: said that the movie Frankenstein is problematic and transphobic. Now
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: let me show you a clip from the nineteen thirty
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: one version of said movie and see if you can
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: spot the transphobia's.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Life the name of God, I.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Know what it'd like to be gone.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not spotting it either, But let me read for
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you from American film director Jane shut and Brunn. She
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: herself is described as a non binary director. She says,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: this image of the trans monster kept coming up, whether
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that be Norman Bates or Buffalo Bill or Frankenstein as
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: a constructed body, and there was this lineage of trans
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: people having really complicated feelings about these movies. In one sense,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: those are the places where we saw representations that felt
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: familiar or comforting in some way to their own experiences.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: But also those movies are super effing transphobic and Problematic's.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Saying that trans people watched sides of Alowds with thought, Oh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Buffalo Bill, finally.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Character it seems like a bit of an own gold.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: All the amazing thing is And again you might be
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: thinking if you're playing at home, but hang on, Frankenstein.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Frankenstein doesn't go around wearing a dress or pretending to
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: be because Frankenstein is a constructed body. That means he
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: is trans, and therefore his persecution.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Is transphobic.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Correct, that's the argument.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: So never mind the fact that you are desecrating the
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: human remains and digging up corpses from a grave site.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Never by the fact that you are playing god. Never
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: mind the fact that you've unleashed a murderous, rampaging monster
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: into your community. The problem with frank inside is that
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: it's transphobic.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And this is surely, after everything you just said. That's
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: where they might want to rethink the analogy because it
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't work as well as.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: She just doesn't. No, look at Nicol James.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: I actually tuned out as soon as you told me
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: that she was a non binary queer director, and.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: I thought, oh, well, yes she is. Of course she's.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: When someone's got pronouns in their process, it's.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, how much she's prob.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know what's am I misgendering her now by
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: calling her she I don't, I don't.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: God, you she might think I'm I'm transfi.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: But I don't think she'll be doing the next Independence Day.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: No, no, look I don't think so.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: You know, just when you thought it couldn't get any
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: more ridiculous, it just does. And and it's like the
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Left just want to latch onto anything to try and
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: feel some meaning in their own lives.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: You know what's going to be next.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're going after now Frankenstein for being transphobic.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: You know, it's it's let's just.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Latch onto something so I feel better about myself, myself clothing.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: As always think there's a subplot here, right, oh way,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: This particular film director has got a new film which
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: was rejected by every Hollywood studio. I can't imagine why that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: The film is called Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Meaesma.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine why Hollywood stud studios didn't want to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: touch it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: It's about asthma.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: It takes a lot of boxing, it's too much.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: To explain, but it's about a trans killer and the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: audience ends up sort of siding with the trans killer.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So she's trying to promote that movie. Sounds like I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: wonder if the Frankenstein comment.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Of the movies was the problem bad thing. It's I'm soaken.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is very problem.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I will just mention it because I'm just so desperately
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: trying to get this to catch fire.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to make fetch happen, and isn't happening.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: But it's what I call the our rage Tartest, which
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: is where as the world gets better and better and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: more and more progressive, solve more and more problems, you've
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: still got this kind of activist element that still has
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to be outraged about something they've got less and less
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: to be outraged about. So it's like the tartess in
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Doctor Who, where you've got to cramp all of this
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: outrage into a source of outrage there's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Actually teeny tiny and only effects a teeny tiny bit
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: of people, and even then is it really a teeny
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: kind problem? And so you suddenly find yourself Frank is transforming,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: this is terrible. How can I live like this? We've
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: got to take to the streets and then you look
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: like an idiot. Anyway.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: One thing that is very interesting that has popped along
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: today is that the cultural Marxists that The Conversation have
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: found that the social media band that News Corp patriotically
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: and courageously crusaded for and one got the PM and
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: a couple of states to ban social media for kids
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: for children under the age of sixteen. Well, now the
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Conversation has said force for shame. Australian teens impacted by
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the social media band are getting less news. And this
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: is from research but is an interesting one. So what
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: they are saying, and it's particularly those who say they
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: have been quote unquote significantly impacted by the band. So
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I think we're already getting a bit rubbery. There's a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: couple of words doing a lot of heavy lifting. But
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: they are saying they are getting less news. Well, yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: because they were getting all their news from social media
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: in the first place, and that was part of the problem,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: because they were being pumped full of divisive algorithms that
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: were basically incentivized to make them conflicted, distressed, angst ridden,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: or just pummel them with one particular side of a
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: story because they knew that was the thing that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: already agreed with. So I would actually say no news.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: They say good no news, good news. I would actually say,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: in this case, despite wanting everyone to read all the
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: news all the time, no news.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Is better than fake news.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Or news that is just pumped through an algorithm designed
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: to either reinforce all your existing biases or make you
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: angry and anxious about something you don't have to be
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: angry and anxious about.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I've got to say I'm kind of sympathetic to your
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: view on this one. God, I know, I feel bad.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I promise it will never happen again, But yeah, I
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: find it difficult to feel upset that young people aren't
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: getting their news from TikTok.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's good, no CCP propaganda.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean I would argue as well, though,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: that adults get their news from TikTok, from Instagram, from
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: other forms of social media.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: So I mean that's the way it is.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: People want news fast, so they want news quick and
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: they see it pop up on their phones breaking news.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: So this, you know, Anthony Aarberesi has done x Y
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: and children easier to indoctrinate than adults, I do agree,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: But I mean they've still got to use social media
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: even when they grow up.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: Are they not to try and get their news?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about that, right, So I'm thinking, Okay,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: when I grew up, we didn't have social media. We
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: didn't have electricity. But we got our news sitting at
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the dinner table, yeah, talking to parents, and they told
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: us what was happening, and they told us why it
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: was happening and what we should.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Think about six o'clock news. They didn't sit around watching
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: the six o'clock news.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't really pay attention to that. It was more
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the discussion. Okay, Well, my point is that families sort
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: of inculcated their kids. And you can call that propaganda,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: but that's a much better propaganda because that's your family
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: rather than your kids. Exactly. It's some Russian bot which
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: matters a lot more than any other organization. So but
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: we don't have that typically anymore.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Well, okay, look, I actually think it's a worry that
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: kids are not getting news. To be honest, I think
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: that kids need to be able to make a judgment
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: on world issues, and I think that news is a
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: really important part of the democratic process. As part of
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: the research that was cited in this article, it says
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: that news engagement makes young people feel knowledgeable, and I
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: would agree that and more capable of responding to issues,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: which I think would absolutely help them later in life
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: and as they move on into high school.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: And into university.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: It also says that the more engaged young people are,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: the more likely they are to be involved in community
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: and social issues, and.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: I would absolutely hang on but no.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: But I think that it's good for children to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: able to make and inform judgment on things, so that
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: when they do enter the classrooms, they are able to
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: filter the information they're getting from the woke liberal teachers,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: which we have seen in schools and in universities for
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: that matter, and they're able to make an informed judgment
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: because they have armed themselves with the.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Knowledge as they've grown up and.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: They've made that research. I think that news is very,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: very important. I do agree though, that there is a
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: lot of fake news out there, but I don't think
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: that exposing children at a young age to news is
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: a problem.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a problem as long as they're
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: reading stuff from a respectable news outlet that has obligates
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: to report something resembling the truth. I think when they're
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: just getting it, it's like pummeling them with, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: a virus when they've got no immunity. It's like if
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: they're just going to see the first thing, and that's
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: why you know, they see the climate change stuff and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: they think, oh my god, the world's got.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: To learn that's it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: They're being infected with the woke mind virus at the
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: moment by all this knowledge. That's why I just think
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: they can arm themselves with a proper knowledge, then it
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: would be better.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're better off getting their news from social media
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: rather than from their school teachers. Because in the UK,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: again we've got school children being taught that black people
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: cannot be racist towards white people. This is part of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a push to make schools anti racist. And so let
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: me quote to you from some of the teaching material
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that's been provided to schools.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Give us a few FAQs.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, so teachers have been advised if a student asks,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: can a black person be racist towards a white person?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Or what about when a black person is racist towards
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a white person, the suggested teacher response is, and I quote,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: black people can be racially prejudiced towards a white person,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: which is wrong and totally unacceptable. However, that's not racism.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Racism is racial prejudice plus power. In the UK, white
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: people hold the cultural power. Tell that to Sidik Khan,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: so they are more likely to be the judge, head teacher, boss,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: prime minister, etc. Tell that to Kimmi Badnock. This means
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that white people's racial prejudice can negatively affect the lives
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of people of color. Would you be happy about your
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: kids being told that in school? They're also told that
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: if they're white, they have white privilege, and they should
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: constantly evaluate that and think of ways that they can
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: make the lives of colored people better because as whites,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: they've got such an advantage.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, I just spoke about being infected with a
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: woke mind virus a private example.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: Here we go again.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: It's this institutionalized anti white hatred that's breeding and a
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: whole new generation of self lovers.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: And this is why culture wars matter.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: And I know this is a UK example, but it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: the same issue here. This is why the culture wars
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: matter because it is literally breeding this next generation to
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: hate their countries, think that they're the problem, that they
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: need to apologize for something that they're less than others.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Kids should be taught manners, good behavior, kindness, not being
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: told you have.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: To be divided by the color of your skin.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: And that is what we're seeing here from this coalition
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: of schools I just again, it's this brainwashing and we've
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: seen it here in Australia as well.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, I think they haven't really quite thought
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: this through because I think it is outrageous telling black
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: people that they can't be racist, because I believe that
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: black people can be whatever they want.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: That's how Danna say you can't be racist? Crimply their dreams.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: What if there's a little black fire, a little black girl,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: it says daddy. When I grow up, I just want
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: to be racist. I just want to be as racist
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: as those racist white bastards were to me. Please just
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: let me be racist.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: And a white liberal mom called Karen says, I'm no, sorry,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I'm afraid it's structurally impossible for you to be racist
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: because of the patriarchal hegemony that exists within the current
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: capo neoliberal system.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: So anyway, it's not the argument I was expecting, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: it's actually a pretty good.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: One, thank you very much.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, out, how dare you tell black people what they
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: can and can't be?
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: You racist?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: We woul in the UK tell us a h.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: And again you just would not believe it's on the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: same planet here, But in the NHS, which has come.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Up quite a bit.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Remember the good old days with the NHS let men
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: in the women's toilets. I love how that is now
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the sort of outdated, old fashioned concept. Well, now they
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: are letting actual psychiatric killers provide advice on how patients
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: should be treated. Okay, psychiatric offenders have been held up
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: as quoe unquote patient experts by trusts NHS trust and
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: they are patients quote unquote who have either killed after
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: being discharged from hospital or have advised on patient care
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: despite already having killed people. Now, I'm not sure what
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: you're looking for in a bedside manner from a therapist,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: a psychologist or a shrink, but I'm pretty much kind
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: of as a baseline, I want someone who you know
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: isn't going to stop mid session and say, please, God,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: don't let me kill again.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Well, apparently, Joe, that they're considered experts by experience and
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: be engaged to advise trusts on patient care as an
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: equal partner with the doctor.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Have lived experience of killing, lived killing, that's their experience killing.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Literally.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Do you know what's funny is some of these people
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: have put in their LinkedIn bios expert advisor to the
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: National System on Patient Care so they've really gone to
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: temple this The lunatics really are running the asylum. All right,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: we'll have a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. Some
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: great stories on the front pages of tomorrow's papers, but
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you get them all here first right after the break. Well,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow, and Danika, the front page of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: The Australian has Jim Charmers in all sorts of trouble.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Yes it does.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: The headline for the olds labor stamps all over trust
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: business and families across the country face the prospect of
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: a surprise stamp duty bill if they are forced to
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: restructure their trusts in the wake of Anthony Arbernezi and
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Jim Charmers tax changes, as a multi billion dollar fight
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: looms over the revenue with the States, The Queensland Treasurer
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: David Jenetski told The Australian he was waiting on the
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: Commonwealth to make further decisions on the trust tax changes,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: given that laws in his state would force stamp duties
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: to be paid on some transactions. The Treasurer announced last
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: week that the vast majority of trusts would be taxed differently,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: including a new minimum thirty percent tax on distributions, as
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: well as a minimum thirty percent tax on capital gains.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: Tax tax, tax, tax, tax, tax.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Is all I read, just then tax, tax, tax, And
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: we're having this argument.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: You know, is it a death tax? Is it not
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: a death tax?
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Well, clearly it is a death tax, and yet another
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: example of how you're being punished for the fact that
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: labor has spent too much money, record spending, and now
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: it's trying to save its own backside death tax.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Is this a death of labor?
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: It's pretty bad. I think they look they think that they're.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Going to wear a bit of short term pain, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: ultimately they will put the coalition and or one nation
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: in a weaker position at the next election when they
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: have to argue.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: For reinstating these perks.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: If I imagine how they that's how they'd categorize them,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: or benefits for investors and home second home buyers. But
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I've just got a feeling that this is got a
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: bit out of This is a backburning operation. It's got
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: a bit out of control. I don't think they anticipated
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: just how widespread and ferocious the opposition. The opposition would
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: be I mean we are as in the number of
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: people opposing it. I mean, you had news poll I'm
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: not really worried about the preferred PM Angus Taylor, Anthony Alberanezi.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: We had news polls saying that fifty one percent or
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: fifty two percent of people I think said that they
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: would be worse off compared to just fourteen or something
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: they said that they'd be better off under the changes.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just maths. That's that's just arithmetic. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: the reason why people didn't care about the Stage three
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: tax cuts is because everyone off better off. And so
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: of course I don't care if you're lied, if you
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: giving me money, yeah, lie all you want. But they clearly,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think, haven't thought through all of the potential
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: repercussions of what they're doing and the ways that might
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: be hit. And again, it just doesn't make economic sense.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: It raises it creates seventy five thousand homes of first
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: home buyers over ten years. It's not seven five hundred
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: a year against the target of one point two million
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: that you're meant to achieve in the next five years.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: And also and also the budget also suggested Joe as
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: well that supply of homes would be less.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Will reduce supply thirty five thousand directs which will then
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: have to be made up for by other policies. So
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: you need other policies to increase the amount of housing
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a housing crisis to counteract the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: decrease in the supply of housing that your signature policy
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: will produce. And even then, of the fewer houses that
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: that policy produces, only you know, fewer than ten thousand
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: a year are expected to be picked up by the people.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Exactly trying to help.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: It's just nonsense. For it's a complete faster of a budget.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: It's a shocker. Also on the front page. If you
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: don't like Australia, leave that's from Frank Lowie, the billionaire
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: busines biness and Holocaust survivor. So Frank Lowe has previously
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: experienced violent anti semitism in anti Semitism in his adopted country,
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: once when a bomb exploded at the Israeli Consulate in
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Westfield Towers where he had his office, and again as
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: another exploded at the Hokoa Club in Bondai where he
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: was president, but nothing prepared him for the massacre of
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: fifteen people at Bondai. I couldn't believe that this is
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: happening to Australia. I used to go to Bondai Beach.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Change can happen the Westfield shopping said to founder insists
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: in a powerful submission he just handed to the Anti
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Semitism Royal Commission. But he says it will require the
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: same kind of cultural shift that saw ethnic divisions in
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Australian soccer transformed into loyalty in this country. And look,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: I think he actually raises a very very good point here.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: It is about loyalty to the country, and unfortunately, we've
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: said some people who've come here, some who hate us,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: some who hate our values, and some who have no
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: interest in assimilarly assimilating, and they are not loyal to
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: this country.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: The other things Frank Lowe talks about in this article,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: which I think will resonate with readers, is how much
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: he feels the com has changed since he came here.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: And I think that is a feeling that's being felt
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: widely right around the community that things are not like
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: they used to be in this country. And we're not
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: saying that for the better.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: I think if you get the existing undercurrent of anti
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Semitism that always sort of lingers sadly in pretty much
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: any society, but among very few people. But then you
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: wrap that with the legitimacy of a cause like pro
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Palestine anti Israel, Suddenly everyone, as the ABC might say
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: about one nation it legitimizes, were being able to come
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: out and just voice their their worst and vilest inner thoughts. Anyway,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I've been forced to read out the front page of
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Theoria Mail tonight by my beloved friends James and Danny.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Joe is not making that up. We actually talked before
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the show and we said, Joe, we can get you
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: to do the career.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: As you're kicking the shit out of your mate Albow,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: don't you do this one?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Take it away, Joe.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Anyway, my very good friend josh An Rahan, great bloke,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: social media attacks PM over his tax grabs. Elbow roasts
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: turn viral. Josh Hanrahan very handsome man, has to be said.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi has become the butt of jokes
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: nationwide with an explosion of memes or not the memes
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: from small businesses claiming he has appointed himself a quote
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: forty seven percent silent partner via the capital gains tax
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: changes in the budget and just a harkback though it's
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the CGT stuff that is really killing it. It's not
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: really even the negative gearing, and it's not even people
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: are saying, well, if it's just on property that you're
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: trying to free up, why are you doubling the capital
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: gains tax on everything else? And there's other side of saying.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: There are young people who are saying, I realized I
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: would never be able to get a home, and so
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I've invested my money in bitcoin, NFT or you know
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: crap that I don't understand because I'm young. I'm old
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and they're young, or you know, or shares or whatever.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: And now the government that wouldn't give me an affordable
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: home is smashing me up for the other invest that
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I made that I couldn't because I couldn't get that home.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: You know, what do you do? Like, what are you
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: doing to me?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Just just on the Career Mail article about memes going
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: viral making fun of elbow, do you remember when Anthony
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Albanezi got really upset in the media conference talking about
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not right that people are making funny
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: memes of me.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Oh that's right, very sedative man with the glass draw
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: I do remember that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: He will not be happy about this. Let's go to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the front page of tomorrow's Herald Son. They've got a
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: big picture of Scott Penalby there. Who's overtaking my hero
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Brent Harvey's record number of games for the AFL. So
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: won't talk about that, but an interesting story down in
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the bottom corner. Thirty seven permits to sell cup of coffee.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Business leaders have warned that excessive red tape and regulatory
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: costs are holding back Victorian businesses. A Business Council Australia
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: said a Victorian business needed thirty seven different licenses to
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: pour a cup of coffee, compared to twenty five in
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: New South Wales, and there were fifteen different definitions of
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: a small business Nationwide. Leaders have worn regulatory costs need
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: to be cut by at least twenty five percent to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: help manufacturing and further investment and innovation. Thirty seven different licenses,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: my goodness, to make a flat white. You've got to
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: be kidding me.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know what, and I've said this before,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: why would you want to go into business right now.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: In this country, when you are.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Surrounded by red tape left, right, right and center right
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: now and you smashed by or else, you.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Should only have to have twenty five licenses.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Let's have a quick look at the advertiser. This is
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: a fascinating story. Possum Tragics is the headline. A Possum
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Park protester threatened to reveal the home address of Peter
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Malanawskus in an extreme act over the felling of trees
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: for the revamped North Adelaide golf course. Police are now
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: monitoring social media activity as protest organizer and Adelaide Park's
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Land Association president Matt Monty apologized to the premiere for
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: the intimidating message.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: Well there you go, all over fell trees. Would you believe?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would want to apologize for threatening because.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I was so dumb he left, honestly, Oh my goodness.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Anyway, let's go to the Gold Coast bulletin now, and
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: this is for anyone who's been to the Gold Coast
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: city that says yes, And I'm pretty sure you know
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: if you've traveled to the coast the Goldie in a
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: younger man's lifetime, that that's an experience you would have
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: had quite often.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Anyway, speaking from previous experience there, well, not as.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Much experience as I would have liked anyway. Gold This
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: is Gold Coast new brand revealed City that Says Yes.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: The Gold Coast will sell itself as the city that
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: says yes if you're picking up on a thing, after
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: spending a year and a half researching the region's identity.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: The new slogan has yet to be presented a council,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: but if approved, will mark the end to the city
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: being known as the Glitter Strip. Mayor Tom Tate revealed
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: the new catchphrase, which Grand Gold Coast has been working
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: on since early twenty twenty five, at the recent launch
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: of Blues on Broadbeach. This is just I love how
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: it's like we've got to spend you know, ten thousand
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: dollars however, many thousands of dollars in a year and
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: a half to find out what we really are.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm sorry, but I just I just there
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: was after you said that, I was like, there's too
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: many sexual connotations now in half the coll up your data.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: Yes you're a europe Yes, that's all I can.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Think about now, viewers.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I think also the surface paradise will now
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: be renamed I do anni.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I think that's the perfect time to go to an
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: aad break. When we come back, we've got tworking politicians
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: misbehaving quantus passengers and misfiring seaplanes or coming up in
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: a moment.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I know we complain a lot about our politicians, but
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: it could be worse.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Joe, Yes, James. There is a school of thought in
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: the United States of America, the very home of modern democracy,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: that perhaps the Democrats aren't sending the very cream of
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: their crop to Washington, DC. And this emerged after a
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: congressional candidate started, for reasons best known to herself, posting
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: multiple videos of herself twerking as part of her campaign
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: for the Democratic primary race in her home state of Michigan.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: This is Shelby Campbell, who is a thirty two year
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: old single mum.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: She is, you may be surprised to.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Learn, from the more liberal wing of the Democrats, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: they are trying to unseat someone from the more conservative
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: wing of the Democrats who is a veteran businessman who
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: currently holds the seat.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: But can he do this? I do?
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Anyway, she'll be great while she's sobers up.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Well she's she's using politics to prepare for only fans.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I mean basically they go hand in hand.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Just why is that I'm also doing that in your
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: spare time.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, look from one weird well dare I suppose to
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: just odd, very odd behavior. A drunk passenger caused a
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Quantus flight from Melbourne to Dallas to be diverted to
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Tahiti after he allegedly bit a crew member who tried
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: to restrain him mid flight.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: And this was his, well weird excuse. Have a look,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: you want to play?
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, you.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Need you to behave yourself. No, you're carrying on like
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: plenty two more whites.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Yes, in case you missed that.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Essentially, he just wanted to walk out to have a cigarette,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: that's all he said.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Controversial take why not just let him go so you
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: don't want him on the plane. He's making an a
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: of himself.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I reckon they were. I reckon they were pretty tempted.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Speaking of planes, a World War two, here a seaplane
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: flying in Phoenix, Arizona, had engine failure. I'll tell you what.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: The pilot made an amazing landing on a roadway. He
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: and his three passengers, no injuries whatsoever, and no vehicles
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: involved in that crash either. What an amazing job yet incredible.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Not only got it on the road under a road sign.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: If you look here you can see him trying to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: find somewhere to land this thing and makes a perfect landing.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Was amazing job. You say it's skillful.
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: I think it is.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: He's flying a seaplane. He doesn't even know the difference
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: between sea and land.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: For it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: All right, that's all we've got time for tonight. Stick Around.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Coming up is the reader Pennety Show. Good Night,