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Patriots Unfiltered 9/13: Miami Dolphins Preview, Week 2 Storylines, Special Guest Andre Tippett · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: And that's one of them, only three good throws. All
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, and uh got a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big show. It's the turn the paid day
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  Speaker 1: for the Patriots. This is when the players get their
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  Speaker 1: game plans for the Miami Dolphins.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we're telling everyone it's gonna be a throwback game.
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  Speaker 1: So the Patriots will be in their reds for this game.
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  Speaker 1: A little later in the show, we're gonna have a
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame visit from Andre Tippet. Talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about those red jersey days. A little nervous about
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  Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, we'll go down memory lane a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Whether they could hit you. Yeah, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: ask the wrong question, so he'll come in and then
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  Speaker 1: what else, Well, I want to mention speaking a throwback.
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  Speaker 1: Last week we introduced the Poster series series uh, poster
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  Speaker 1: series series. Yeah, anyway, last week's posters sold out, which
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  Speaker 1: was pretty cool awesome. So if people didn't see the
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  Speaker 1: show last week, every week for every home game, there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be an unique poster created by a local
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  Speaker 1: New England artist. We're only printing two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 1: five of each game. Each poster is numbered and signed
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  Speaker 1: by the artist, and you can buy them on Patriots
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  Speaker 1: dot com. So I just want to give you a look.
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  Speaker 1: This is this week's poster for the Miami Dolphins game,
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  Speaker 1: and each poster comes with a certificate of authenticity that
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  Speaker 1: you can get. So those are available on Patriot dot
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  Speaker 1: com right now. Last week sold out, so if you
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  Speaker 1: want to collect them all, you know, you better get
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  Speaker 1: you better, you better hurry. So these are available on
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  Speaker 1: Patris dot com. We're gonna have a different poster for
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  Speaker 1: every home game with a different artist.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So we're really excited about this whole poster series that
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  Speaker 1: we're doing. Got a little Squish the Fish in there.
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  Speaker 8: I see little Squish the Fish.
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  Speaker 4: What else do we have? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Little little Miami look to it, some New England look.
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  Speaker 1: It's good.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a politician there you know, let me look
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  Speaker 3: right into the camera when I say this. The certificate
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  Speaker 3: of authenticity is right here.
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  Speaker 1: I we've got video, we might as well use it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely And the Show within a Show today, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna give away three of these posters. So you want
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  Speaker 1: to hang out for that answer the trivia questions during
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  Speaker 1: the Show within a Show you could win one. But
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  Speaker 1: even if you can't, you can buy uh these limited
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  Speaker 1: edition posters on Patriots dot com only two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy five per game. So really excited about that. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of fallout from yesterday's show at lasts why we
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  Speaker 1: had to take Evan off today. So the last time
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  Speaker 1: I heard what do we got? The last time I looked,
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  Speaker 1: he was still arguing.
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  Speaker 8: He is, Oh yeah, it's drained into today. Yeah, today, today.
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  Speaker 1: He's He's been at it since the show ended yesterday.
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  Speaker 8: So something I've realized about Evan is like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: he loves to watch the film, and I feel like
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  Speaker 8: he watches the film and he thinks what he thinks
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  Speaker 8: and he comes in hot with it and he just
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  Speaker 8: doesn't care.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what it's two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I get it, and I like the strength
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  Speaker 3: of the conviction like you don't need other people to
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  Speaker 3: think like you do. You watch something, you have a take,
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  Speaker 3: and you I have no problem.
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  Speaker 1: It was like it was.
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  Speaker 8: It was like when he was, you know, trumpeting Connor mcturn.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I do have a problem with,
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  Speaker 3: though Mike as the argumentative one in the show, I
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  Speaker 3: can't argue. I feel like I fell between Fred and
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  Speaker 3: Evan yesterday, like I'm in the middle. I don't like
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  Speaker 3: being in the middle. I definitely think it. I know,
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  Speaker 3: I feel more positively about everything than Evan did, but
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  Speaker 3: I can't get to where Fred is in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the pos But it's kind of a bad place for
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  Speaker 3: me to be. I don't like being in a.
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  Speaker 1: Great gray area.
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  Speaker 8: He climbed up to the top of Mount Max. Stinks
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  Speaker 8: and now, you know, like you were on Mount Cooks,
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  Speaker 8: he's on Mount Max.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not there, not off that game.
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  Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, the way that the
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  Speaker 1: game panned out. I mean, obviously, if it kept the
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  Speaker 1: way it started, i'd be, you know, in uh in
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  Speaker 1: despair at this point. But the way the game played out,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing about that game that tells me I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be still hopeful. I went into the season with hope,
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  Speaker 1: with no expectations, and I still have hope as a
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  Speaker 1: result of that game. I think that was.
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  Speaker 8: That was I was trying to make that point to
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  Speaker 8: jump in when you guys were going at it. But
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  Speaker 8: just you know, we all last week said if you
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  Speaker 8: don't have hope right now, like what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Totally? You know, and it's still like you watched one game.
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  Speaker 1: If you lost all hope off of one game, then
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  Speaker 1: what do you do?
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  Speaker 8: You know, like I understand you have a little less
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  Speaker 8: hope or maybe something was confirmed to you that you,
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  Speaker 8: you know, necessarily weren't looking forward to about this season,
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  Speaker 8: which a little bit where I lie, But you know
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  Speaker 8: there there certainly are things that.
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  Speaker 1: You could take away positive. Why so here he is
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  Speaker 1: now back from defending doctor bat the Doctor Gloom Evan Lazarre,
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  Speaker 1: the veteran of the Mac Battles Doctor Gloom.
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  Speaker 5: That's my new nickname.
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  Speaker 8: How are your Twitter fights going with with your unhappy
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  Speaker 8: followers about your your your your takes?
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 5: I think I think I'm misunderstood. That's what I'm gonna say.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm misunderstood. I have two things I'll say one,
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm misunderstood. I can explain why throughout the
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  Speaker 5: show if you guys want. And number two, like the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback twenty four hour rule. We talked about it yesterday
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  Speaker 5: onto Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Did he say anything to you today at the press conference?
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  Speaker 5: I know he did not. We're still on good terms
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  Speaker 5: as far as I know.
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't listen to the show yet, ye.
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  Speaker 5: Apparently not or read it was honest about what I saw.
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  Speaker 8: How dare I he's going to fire you from Pete ow?
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  Speaker 3: That was my comment. I said, I respect the fact
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  Speaker 3: that you watch it and you don't need other people
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  Speaker 3: to sort of, you know, jump on your bandwagon. You
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  Speaker 3: have your convictions. I expect it. I mean, I disagree
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, but not far.
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  Speaker 5: I'll admit that I went a little far. I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, my frustration stems from the fact that I
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  Speaker 5: personally feel as though they have not done enough to
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  Speaker 5: help out the offense, just on any level like I don't.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that that's where I come out of
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  Speaker 5: I'm misunderstood because I think a lot of people took
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  Speaker 5: what I said yesterday as me bashing Mac, which maybe
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  Speaker 5: I did a little bit. And I'll take ownership of that.
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  Speaker 5: But I think the biggest thing is is that I
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  Speaker 5: am trying to tell people that in my eyes, the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback is being asked to do too much. There's too
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  Speaker 5: much on his plate where he needs to be almost
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  Speaker 5: perfect for them to even put up twenty seven points
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  Speaker 5: to win a game at home against these Well, you
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  Speaker 5: know it's.
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  Speaker 1: True because we talked about that twenty five point. You know,
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  Speaker 1: no man's land. If you give up twenty five, you
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  Speaker 1: lose if you're the Patriots. And Timothy Wright writes in
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  Speaker 1: and he says, the whole narrative that the Patriots are
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  Speaker 1: terrible when opponents score over twenty five points has also
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  Speaker 1: been sort of true the last few years during Brady's time.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen, one and three when opponents score twenty five
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  Speaker 1: points are over eighteen two and four in nineteen ozho
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  Speaker 1: to three. So they're three and ten over three years
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  Speaker 1: with literally the greatest quarterback in history and a true
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame tight end in Gronk for those for two.
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  Speaker 3: Of uom they're thirty percent better, but still at three
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  Speaker 3: and ten.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, when you give.
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  Speaker 3: Up a lot of points, you're not gonna win all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think twenty five points is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of points in the NFL these days.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I also agree with that. Yeah, yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 3: like it's thirty five. No, I'm but thirty percent compared
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  Speaker 3: to zero.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I but don't you think Brady is more
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  Speaker 1: than thirty percent better than Mac?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that number.
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  Speaker 1: Would prove more than thirty percent.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so if he won thirty one percent, it would
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  Speaker 3: be more than three. I mean, I just think that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't Yeah, how about how about let's get played at
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  Speaker 3: how about get Brady's first three years when allowing twenty
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  Speaker 3: five let me fix a saying set of when he
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  Speaker 3: was forty two.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't allow. Are we really saying that Mac couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get two to three wins over a period of three
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  Speaker 1: years if he had a real offensive coordinator in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two in real weapons. I think this narrative
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  Speaker 1: of twenty five points isn't that different than what has
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  Speaker 1: been true the last three years, even during Brady's years,
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  Speaker 1: not saying Mac is the guy or has the clutch game,
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  Speaker 1: but this stat doesn't of the point. Also, Paul Josh
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  Speaker 1: Allen has always been a part, has always been a
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  Speaker 1: turnover machine, not just the last game, averaging two turnovers
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  Speaker 1: a game. Since Game one of last year, he has
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  Speaker 1: the most.
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  Speaker 3: He had four Monday nights. Okay, And I was told
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  Speaker 3: that's what he is.
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  Speaker 1: He has the most amount of turns quarterback since he
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  Speaker 1: came into.
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  Speaker 3: He also had the most amount of touchdowns for a
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  Speaker 3: quarterback last year except for one but finished second. But
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  Speaker 3: he is, so you're going to turn the ball over
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  Speaker 3: when you make place. He had forty two touchdowns last year.
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  Speaker 5: Mis understood. So I just wanted to, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: think the stat from from Brady and all that is
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  Speaker 5: in the offensive coordinator stuff. And it's the problem that
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  Speaker 5: I keep coming back to is that we knew all
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  Speaker 5: of this coming into the year that they really are
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  Speaker 5: who they are personnel wise, and the coaching was going
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  Speaker 5: to be better and the quarterback was going to look
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  Speaker 5: a little bit better as a result. And we saw
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  Speaker 5: that on Sunday, And it still isn't enough against a
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  Speaker 5: good team like maybe it might be enough against the
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  Speaker 5: Saints in a couple of weeks or against the Colts
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  Speaker 5: in Germany or something like that, but against a good
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  Speaker 5: team like Philadelphia, it's still not enough. And I don't
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  Speaker 5: hold that just against Mac Jones. I just my whole
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  Speaker 5: point yesterday was just this is who Mac Jones is.
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  Speaker 5: Like us sitting here waiting for Mac Jones to become
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  Speaker 5: this all world quarterback. I just don't know if that's
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  Speaker 5: gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: The other part I would say is on the twenty
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  Speaker 3: five point thing, they're gonna listen, that's not gonna stay
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  Speaker 3: a zero forever. The Patriots will eventually win games when
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  Speaker 3: the other team scores points, and they'll be able to
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  Speaker 3: win a game in the fourth quarter. Like these things,
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  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as an absolute. It will never
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  Speaker 3: stay oh and forever, like they're going to find a
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  Speaker 3: way to win some of these games.
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  Speaker 1: We're just a little frustrated, that's all, Mike. Some of
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  Speaker 1: these emails, I thought we're well thought out. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to agree with everything they say. But
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  Speaker 1: Mike and Connecticut writes in the Tuesday Show was one
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: of the more undeservedly negative ones I've heard in recent memory.
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  Speaker 1: Was unpleasant to listen to. I'm all for a dose
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  Speaker 1: of realism, but my god, it's week one and we
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  Speaker 1: played the preseason Super Bowl favorites. Just a fact Paul
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  Speaker 1: Holster the snark, Someone please remind Evan eighty five percent
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  Speaker 1: of the league played like garbage on Sunday. The team
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: showed some promise and improvement over last season. No one
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  Speaker 1: is anointing Mac is the second coming of the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: as super Bowl bound. Paul may be impatient, but as
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  Speaker 1: a result of bad drafting, this team is still collecting talent,
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  Speaker 1: even if they stand to lose some in the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: As we were reminding over and over and over again, realistically,
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  Speaker 1: improvement in the God forbid the occasional glimmer of optimism
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  Speaker 1: is what this season is about, not championships. You all
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  Speaker 1: predicted mediocrity. Why the uproar when they meet your expectations?
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  Speaker 5: Says, why is that have to be our expectation?
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  Speaker 1: Some balance?
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  Speaker 4: Please?
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  Speaker 1: I could hear you trying to argue the other side. Fred,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, you're welcome. The one note negativity made for
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  Speaker 1: a bad show, Well, I.
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  Speaker 8: Don't think it was one note negativity. I think we
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  Speaker 8: have plenty of theories for the defense, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I get it, this is what people feel
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  Speaker 1: that being honest, I don't think there's anyone on this
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  Speaker 1: show trying to be negative. You know, for negative sake.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even feel like I was negative yesterday. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like there were a lot of things to be
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  Speaker 3: excited about. I focused on the defense. I thought the
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  Speaker 3: defense played a really good game against a quality opponent
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  Speaker 3: that I haven't really seen a lot of since Brady left.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed that was what I focused on yesterday, but no
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  Speaker 3: one remembers that.
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  Speaker 1: I said that Junior and Canton writes and I definitely
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  Speaker 1: share evans disappointment from the game, but maybe for a
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: different reason. It seems criminal in the last three years,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Bill hasn't acquired a number one receiver. Looking around the league,
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: this is something every team does when they invest in
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  Speaker 1: a new quarterback. On Sunday, I saw a legit number
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  Speaker 1: two receiver and Kendrick Bourne a good tight end in
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. And although we had a bad game, I
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: know Ramandre is a really good run. So it's extremely
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: disappointing that we don't have a number one receiver to
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: round out this offense because with the defense we saw
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, just one explosive weapon could change how we
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  Speaker 1: view this team's potential. And maybe it's mac future.
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  Speaker 5: I don't disagree with any of that, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that's my entire point of my whole show yesterday. That
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  Speaker 5: misunderstood again is that this is we're sitting here saying,
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: don't overreact to week one. Like to me, that bugs
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  Speaker 5: me because this is we're in year three. Like this,
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: he's thirty three starts into his NFL career. We're not
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: overreacting to week one, where we have two years of
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: a sample size to work with. It's not just one week.
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  Speaker 5: And yes, it's one week in this system and in
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  Speaker 5: this team and in this offense. But at the bottom
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  Speaker 5: line is is that the results have been the same
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  Speaker 5: for three years.
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  Speaker 1: Mike and Duval, Paul nailed it. Paul nailed it yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: four years into the post Brady era, and this team
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  Speaker 1: is still being talked to about and viewed as the
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  Speaker 1: little engine that could. At what point does the so
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  Speaker 1: called greatest coach ever begin to lose a tremendous amount
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  Speaker 1: of shine on the goat coach luster from putting together
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  Speaker 1: seasons that what will it take for each of you
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  Speaker 1: to say, well, it was Brady not Belichick.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's a different argument. But when I
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  Speaker 3: say the little engine that could, But that's not really
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  Speaker 3: indicative of how I felt about the game itself. I
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  Speaker 3: just want to I want to analyze where the team
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  Speaker 3: is after the game based on reality in the league,
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  Speaker 3: not like, well, what did you expect? Well, kind of
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  Speaker 3: what I expected was, you know, kind of close to
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  Speaker 3: what had happened. I didn't expect the defense to play
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  Speaker 3: as well as it did, and I thought the offense
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  Speaker 3: would be better but not good enough, if that makes
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  Speaker 3: any sense. And I just look at it as like
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: this whole Week one thing, Like, there's a lot of
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: teams that played badly in Week one, as a couple
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: of emailers ago mentioned sixteen of them. One, but do
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  Speaker 3: you think they're thrilled in Cincinnati today? Do you think
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  Speaker 3: they're thrilled in Buffalo today?
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  Speaker 1: No?
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Like, the only one that's probably blew it off was
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Kansas City because of all the personnel they were missing
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: and the fact that they're defending Super Bowl champs. But
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: like in Buffalo, I could tell you this concern over
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: the fact that Josh Allen, as the emailer pointed out,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: continues to turn the ball over, and this frustration over that,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: this frustration losing a game that almost was unlosable unless
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: you did what you did. Ye like they're not saying
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: that it was week one? Yeah right, Oh the Jets own.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Us Ryan Dables on a ledge, you see if you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: hear him after the game, they need to go.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Do you think the Giants are looking at that, Fred
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: and saying, what's this Week one?
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: They lost forty to But I understand even I could
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: admit that that's a different line.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I understand that it was a complete and total collapse
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: in all in all areas. But do you think they're
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: just looking at it said, wow, it's just just weak?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: None? Who cares? Now?
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: No?
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: Well, how many times have you seen a Week one
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: game two that's completely not indicative of out the team
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: ends up being with, like you know, the three Pats
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: being prime example where you get out.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Could that be again for the Patriots?
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Perhaps could they have played better than they really are?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Perhaps? Could the other team have played worse than they
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: really are? I don't, I don't have any idea.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: It was like, I don't know, I have no Like Fred,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Fred said this like twenty years ago, and like we
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: might look at that ten weeks from now and say
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: that's the day that I knew the Patriots defense was
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: going to be legit, Because then they've strung together a
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: number of performances like that, or we could say that
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: was the day we should have known that Philadelphia was
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: a one hit wonder last year and they fell apart
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: the next year.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Who knows, just don't know. That's why you can't judge
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: a schedule before you play the games, That's right.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: And then Aaron Rodgers gets hurt.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Right, Melvin says, can we get a pe shirt with
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: misunderstood on it? I'll face on the other.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not misunderstood, Okay, I am misunderstand.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: That's evans thing.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Have people telling me that it that that I'm mad
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: at mac because he made a joke about me and
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: the press car like it's personal.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You know, like who said that?
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: People?
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: Oh, oh that's I didn't even think that.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. People are just general people
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: general who's who's people? You know? The media, There are
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: people the media.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Here's the way that hangs out with them, you know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: But there he goes out and he has to check
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: their mood by.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: The way in the pouring rain. In a few minutes.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: Aside and the Brady the Brady hypephone, did they put
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: the your honor your honored? They put They put some
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: of that sound by one of the.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: That was in a little bit that was in Who's Honor?
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: My name wasn't spelled wrong in that one? No, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: also thought I was I was spelled wrong?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Were one more email and then we'll get into today's topic.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Are you going to let the people because a lot
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: of people listen on the podcast.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in Redford, Michigan, I'm one hundred percent on board
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: with Evan's comments.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: You know, everybody not everybody misunderstands.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you for telling it like it is. Like Evan said,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: for those that feel optimistic about the Patriots offense or
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Matt Jones, what is the basis When they got the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: ball back toward the end of the game, I did
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: not believe they would win because with Matt Jones and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the center, history has shown so that he wouldn't get
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: the job done. Evan. People are coming after you because
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: some like placing their hope in positivity and optimism even
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: when there was no basis for reality, and they probably
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: feel like you were trying to take that from them.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Maybe I look, I said it yesterday again, didn't nobody
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: saw it or heard it or whatever, But there was
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: good things to take away from the offense on Sunday,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Their second quarter was really really good. The two drives
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: they put together in the second quarter were two of
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: the better scripted drives that I've seen them have in
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: a long time. But at the same time those two drives,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: the play calls worked, the line held up, the receivers
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: ran the right routes, like everything synced up for them
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: to put those plays together. And my concern is what
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: happens when the pocket's a little bit muddy, what happens
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: when the receivers run the wrong routes? Like can you
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: make up for those types of things and or can
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: you just be perfect all the time? Because being perfect
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: all the time is completely unrealistic. And that's what the
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: difference is is these other teams that have Tyreek Hill,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: that have a J Brown, they can mess up on
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: a play on first down, and then they come back
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: on second down and they hit a seventy yarder like.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: For instance, driving down the length of the field and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: we'll get it back to Miami now fumbling inside the
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: five yard line and still scoring thirty six points, Like,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: it's not the reason that you ended up with twenty.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: So they had a pick in an interception. In that game,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: old friend J C. Jackson had a pick. He also
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: had a colossal little stupid that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: Was when he just shoved the guy to It was
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: just named AFC offensive players.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: He was as expected as Fred predicted.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: How was the best game I've ever seen to a play?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: The throw he had climbing the pocket downfield to Tyreek
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Hill was sick.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: That was a good throw.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not like a to a guy.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not a huge He showed me something, and.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: I really think he's good. I just think the only
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: thing is it's him verse concussions. Like that's pretty much
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: well that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know for all the people that just
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: say it's it's Waddle and Hill, and obviously that's a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: huge part of their explosiveness. But it didn't look like
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: that when Teddy Bridgewater, who was a competent NFL player,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: right he's not, he's but I mean he started a
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: lot of games in this league, didn't look like any
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: anything like that. I mean, I'm not not comparing Skylo
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Thompson seventh round rookie, but when Teddy Bridgewater played last year,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: it did not look the same.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: I don't mean I don't want to say this as
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: a shot at MAC, but like you know, we when
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: he came out, it was accuracy and anticipation that you
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: were sold on, like somewhat, but I feel like Tua
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: has plus accuracy and anticipation in a way that is unique.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And I mean listen if and then you add his mobility.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not a running but he can be
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit. He's you know, he could I dare
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: say it, but he could end up he could end
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: up having a career like Drew Brees where he's just
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: so accurate, such anticipation makes up for his lack of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: size with with that, it's just like injuries, he could
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: have that type.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Of I mean, in fairness, at this time of Drew Brees' career,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Durabilities.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: Oh sure, yeah, that's why he left the team, small
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: guy who was and sign him because of it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But I you know, I mean.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Saban might still be the coach of the Dolphins.
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: It's just it's the unknown with concussions though, you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: like that's like like you can say, well, he had
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: a shoulder injury. Did he come back from it was
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: the okay, yes, But like concussions, you just you don't know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: you never knows. He could be one hit away from
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: that one that really makes a dramatic turn.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Speaking of injuries, the Jets made it official yesterday that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did tear his achilles and he's out for
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the season. It does suck for Jets. It sucks for
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the NFL more so. I like, I don't care about
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Jets fans, but it sucks for the league that he's
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: not in it this year.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, yeah, that was what I had to
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: pinch hit one of the shows yesterday. I got to
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: work with Zoe for the first.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Time, which was quite the experience.
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that was you know, he was I mean,
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: obviously as a former NFL quarterback, he's on the you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: you never want to.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: See anyone get injured, especially someone like that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: I do know a couple of Jets fans that I,
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: you know, feel bad about, Like it's you know, like
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: our fans like we're like, I feel like we're getting
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: a little bit frustrated, perhaps with the the way that
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: games kind of unfold continually for three years now, we've
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: been watching you know, like I know, a little different,
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: little more promise maybe, but like I just don't understand
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: some of the fans in our fan base that just
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: have their heads in the sand and are like, what,
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: everything's fine, Like we won a Super Bowl four years ago,
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: you know. But with Jets fans, it's like they got
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: to be apoplectic. Like I mean, it's like everyone predicted it,
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: like you just they're all on the same page. They're
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: all miserable, they all know what's gonna happen, and I
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: just feel I do feel bad for some of them.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: On one of I think it might have been Good
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Morning Football or one of the shows, Garrett Wilson was on,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: and he said that Aaron Rodgers went up to him
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: and in the locker room after the game and said, sorry,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: this was like, oh my goodness, Like, imagine a player
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: like that, that is such a talented receiver, and now
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: you think you have this MVP quarterback throwing you the
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: ball and you're gonna have this great year, and then
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: you have to go back to Zack Wilson throwing you
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: the football. And he still had a thousand yards even
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: with Zach Wilson throwing him the ball.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: So it'll be it'll be interesting to see what they
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: do because I know they have to embrace Zach Wilson now.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: But I mean I think we all sort of expected
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: not to go great. You know, I do think there
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: are some options that would be better. And I'm not
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: saying like obviously we joked around about Tom yesterday.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: But like.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: There's some backups, and I mean, like case Keenum is
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: in Houston, right, Like, don't you think he would give
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: them a better chance than Zach Wills.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen enough of Zach Wilson to think, yes.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: You know, even if they I mean, you could probably
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: get Davis Mills. I mean, they're gonna go to c J. Stroud.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe they want to keep Keenum as the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: veteran guy to sort of help c J.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Stroud. So you're saying to take a little bit of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: maybe a sake a swing, but more of.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: How about Chad Henny. Someone brought up Chad Henny to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: me yesterday. He did a good job last year in
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: the playoffs when Mahomes had to come out. Now he retired,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: so he hasn't done anything. Again, I'm not talking about
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about something well that would be worse,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: but I'm not talking about Sunday Like obviously, Zach Wilson's
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: what Silas said yesterday, you have to say, and I
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: think that he's he struck all the right courts I got.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: But assuming that we're right, and three weeks from now
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the Jets can't move the ball and he can't stop
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: throwing interceptions, like, you should have something ready to go
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: beyond what they I know they promoted somebody from the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: practice squad right yesterday. Probably we should probably mention the
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Patriots signed a practice squad quarterback ian book and book
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame not here the effort to get smaller and
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: smaller at quarterback in today at six feet.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Oh he's I don't know about that. Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I was listening to one of Paul shows yesterday on
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: my way home and they mentioned with the Jets, you
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: just need two thousand fifteen Peyton Manning, right, like you
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: just need like the veteran quarterback that doesn't turn the
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: ball over, that knows where to go with the football.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: You know, Peyton didn't have great arm talent back.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I think Chad Henny could be that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if I was them, they're not since they're not
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: gonna get Brady, I would call Philip Rivers. I would
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: call Philip Rivers.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And fifteen kids to his eye.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: But if he's if he's been out now for a
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: couple of years, three years, two years, Matt Ryan.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: What they went three years right to be? The third
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: year is they went Carson Wentz Matt Ryan, Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: He just now he's got that. Philip Rivers is. Yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: he's he's going to be just a game manager.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I see now, I don't know forties forties.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: That that class, Eli, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: mean they've been out now, yeah, they're.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: They're all retired.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: I think the thing that's weird too about four draft class,
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: there's such a an angst towards Zach Wilson, and they
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: had no choice but to go back to him. So
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: it was just such a jarring thing to go from
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: so much hope and promise and excitement.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Hey, if he wasn't there, second were all pick of
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the draft, Mike, they probably would have cut him when
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: they signed Rogers and kept they'd done something to keep
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Mike White. Now they got no choice to Mike White
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: is another one of these guys that I think somehow
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: is considered to be something he's not.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, he went on he's like what you talked
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: about that he went one.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: In three as the starter last year. I mean, as
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: bad as Zach Wilson was, they went five and four
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: when he started. I don't know that Mike White would
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: have them in any better spot right now. I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: he's sort of a reckless guy who takes a lot
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: of chances.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it. I'm going to make a prediction
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and probably gonna pooh poo me, but I think Zach
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Wilson is going to be better than people think.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's one of those things that can't be
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: pooh pooed because I don't know what people think, what people.
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: What everyone thinks that'll be okay, you think they'll make
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: it to the end of the season as their starter.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I think I think they're going to compete. Yeah, I think.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think last year, right I don't think they're
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: out of the playoff race.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're out of the playoff race either.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I think they're out of the Super Bowl race.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I think what's crazy about Zach Wilson is like even
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: he can't even game manage like and to me, like
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: that's like the the bottom line for a quarterback is
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: if you can't add all of the extra stuff that
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: like a Mahomes or an Allen there just don't just
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: just don't ruin it. All he's got to do is
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: hand the ball off to Breeze Hall and run play
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: action like that's it, like and he still just can't
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: even You.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Point the first one, the game at the Metalwlands last year,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: if he had just been a game manager, the Jets
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: would have won that game. Yeah, the second one, he
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: needed to make some plays and they couldn't.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: I remember what like when him coming out too, it
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: was such a talk of just you know, his arm
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: talent and his ability like off platform, you know, late
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: in the down throw the ball downfield and in the NFL,
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: those look like the times where he's most.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Like, oh god, if I were a Jet fan, until
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I saw him moving backwards, just I would just have
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a cow. I don't know how. I don't know how
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: as a Jet fan you can watch him and not
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: have anxiety.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: They forced him out of the pocket in one of
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: the matchups last year. That was actually the game plan
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: was to flush him because they knew that once he
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: got on the move, was going to chuck it to
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Devin mccorty three times, so they literally moments designed the
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: plan to make him throw on the move.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: Well, was it you talking to dmac at about the
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: plan against Wilson and just being.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Like, he will give us the ball.
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: I forget where I heard that, but somebody.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: After the game was that game? I distinctly remember just
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: telling us that they wanted to have the pass rush
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: tee off, force him out of the pocket and just
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: push him into the sideline and make him make a throw.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: And he did, but kind of like too, was going
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: to give you some opportunities. He will throw some up
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: He will.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: He trust his receivers and he'll throw them up. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: the other part two tremendously talented guys, right, He'll and Waddle.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: They don't have a ton beyond that. They don't run
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the ball very well. Their offensive line is weak Durham spink,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: and they don't really you know, they don't really throw
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the tight ends. They don't have a lot of depth
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: at receiver. Listen, they are very good. You know last
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: year they they were pretty productive with Hill and Waddle
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and they kept the score down because I think the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: score kind of got out of hand seventeen nothing at
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the half if I remember correctly, But you know, Hill
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: had like eighty or ninety yards and Waddle had the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: big play in the game on the fourth down. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's enough. Like they're gonna have to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: find other things to do in order to put up
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: some big numbers.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Miami, okay, Robin writes, and he says he's in Alaska.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I love Tuesday Show. It was like Eric was back.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: What we talked a lot of football. Yeah, Rozzie, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: agree with Evan. Nope, I don't think he was overly negative.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: As I understood it. The critique was not of Mac.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It was of the Patriots roster building philosophy. They haven't
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: had enough talented people around that to build a winning team.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: They spend in draft to have sustained success, like Belichick's words, However,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: without elite skill players, they are headed for sustained mediocrity.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Can I pick at that that sentence a little bit?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: They draft to sustain, how does like so? In other words,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: if you drafted receivers, you can't sustain like if you don't. Now, clearly,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Bill he drafted three straight first three rounds, three defensive guys,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: but that's an eye toward being better for a longer
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: period of time than immediately.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I don't really see the core.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: Criticisms we've had of the draft is with the inability
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: to sustain positions like the tackle spot that all of
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: a sudden you just don't have to tackles.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: To address the needs that you know, I mean, the
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: experts we used to see, well, yeah, you know, bigger,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: but you know, you used to see the planet at
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: at the you know, receiving third down back.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: You know, they always had pipeline.
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: They had pipelines and positions that you could kind of
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: establish and say, all right, that guy's going to go.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: You know, Matt Light's going to retire.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: We just drafted Solder, we got Volmer, you know, like
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: it's all it's all in place, and they've been chasing
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: their tail, especially the offensive line, for a while.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And listen, I started and like the I like the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the idea of what they did on defense. And first
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: of all, cornerback was an enormous need that very few
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: people felt like the way we did going into the
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: draft process, we all felt that cornerback was in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: top handful of needs. So we all love the Gonzales pick.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: But you know, you look at the key On White,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: which is one that I will admit that I kind
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: of scratched my head on, not because of the player,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: but because of the spot, and you just kind of wonder,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: are they looking at him and maybe they looking at
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Barmore like they to me, They've given Barmore some chances
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: both in the summer on the practice field and then
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: to start the game the other day, and that looked great.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: He played well as a three down guy. I don't
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: think that he looks as good I you know, that's
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: my guy, Like I am holding on to Barre. That
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: was my favorite pick that they've made in recent memory.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen the dominant four like I saw key
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: On White a lot the other day, and he didn't play.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: You know what I thought was bettern review Like, I
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: didn't notice him live either very much.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: But I thought they ran the ball pretty well in
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the early part of that game when a guy came
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: in and I thought it kind of changed. But as well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about as an all around play.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you, Travis. I love but you know
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that Gouse. Guys know that I have a I have
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a crush on him.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: But can I make a real quick point Fred, It's like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: but see, like that's the things they do on defense,
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: like they take weird like the chances they trade up
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: for Barmore, they don't.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: You know, even if that's what I'm wondering, is is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: keyon White?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: You know, we know Lawrence guy's going you know, if
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it's not next years, he probably will be gone next year,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you know, godchild will be He's getting a little older
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: to you know, maybe they're looking at Barmore's like, well,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: he's a situational guy. We're trying to see if he's
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: more than that sort of paving the way for losing
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: him after next year. You know, I don't know, Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Like I just I wonder if that's the thought prop Well, the.
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: Point I was going to try to tie it too,
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: is just they don't really take those chances on offense,
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: like you know, they don't really like, Wow, they didn't
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: really need this, like you know, I mean I guess
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: you could maybe say like Sony Michelle, which obviously didn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: work out, but it was kind of like they don't
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: really need a running back, like especially not in the
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: first round, but that you know, they took a kind
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: of a chance on it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: They take chances, but like why like they took a chance,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Like taking Taekwon Thornton in the second round is taking
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: a chance r But is it a good chance to take? Yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that's that's the misevaluation.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's like with the tackle spot,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: because I agree with you one hundred percent that they
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: have been chasing their tail on tackle since really like
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Nate Solder left and then like they had the year
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: with Trent Brown to bridge the gap in twenty eighteen.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: But what it comes back down to is that Isaiah
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Win was supposed to be the left tackle and they
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: missed on the pick. And I think the same thing thing,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: at least so far, can be saying for Taekwon, Like
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: that throw that Mac made to Kaishon Boodie at the
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: end of the game, that's supposed to be Taekwon Thornton
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: on other side. And now we're talking about Taekwon Thornton
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: in year two and with Mac again, and like if
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: he's a if he's George Pickens, then you know it's
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: a I'm not like to do that whole thing, but
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: like it's it. And then and so now they're chasing
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: their tail again at wide receiver, looking for top end
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: wide receiver talent because they missed on the pick at
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: least so far. So that's like the repeat of what
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I see with them. And like Barth and I when
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: we do our draft, like we've been talking about tackles for.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: It feels like every year they have to take on every.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Broken record every year. It's like, you know we're talking
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: They just overthink it, you know, like we're not going
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to take the consensus number two valued receiver. We're gonna
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: take this guy from a small school, and you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: because we know he's better than others, you.
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: Know, well, especially on the offensive side of the ball,
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: like you know, like trading up to take a tackle
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: from Alabama, like not a you know, not a huge
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: like thought prop like yeat, yes, but.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: You know Isaiah Win, Like is he a guard the whole?
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Like the second you drafted him, you thought he might
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: be a guard because of his there's always a yeah,
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: but Forton, Yeah, he's the fastest guy. But you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: we know about his wrists and you know, I mean
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: that was just the fact that he's really skinny, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: I think that's played out. He started both years on
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: IR he has you know, contact issues, doesn't is not
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: strong going up at the for the catch points.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I did see one really funny. You know, those whole
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you know sometimes the memes, you know, they get you,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the tweets, you know, like you're like, all right whatever.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: So it was kind of one that made me laugh.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: It was the Patriots, you know, maneuvering around to keep
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: the Jets from getting a tackle from the first round.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Roderick Jones, Yeah.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And then Aaron.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Jess Checkers.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Yep, that one made me laugh.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I have to admit, Travis in West Virginia, why does
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the audience give two craps whether or not you're positive
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: or negative. I've never understood that. I listened to the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: show for information and entertainment. Your positivity or negativity is
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: your choice and has no effect on me or the team. Well,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like you, of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: guy who lives in Kansas City and is in Kansas
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: City land. It has to hear from those fans. They
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: come here for a safe place, and then they get
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: here and then and then they get hit over the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: head and it's like, oh even there.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I mean for me, and you know, I know you
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: make fun of me a lot, Fred for listening to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: my shows. The shows that I like are the ones
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: that I feel like actually tell you what they think
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: as opposed to what you want to hear both ways.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want negativity for the sake of negativity either,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: like that that that to me is not balanced when
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: you just say like, well, yeah, like like I said,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I was somewhere between Evan and Fred yesterday, Like, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean I'm right. That was just my view
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: of the game, you know, Like I don't I don't
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: want Fred's take just because that's quote a safe space.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: And I don't want Evan's take because well, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: we want to be like Felgrim Mass you know, like
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: we just you know, Adam Jones, we just want to
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: like criticize every element. No, I don't think that's what
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Evan was doing yesterday, And I don't want to listen really,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: but I don't.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Feel like that's not like we This is the other
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: thing that I took a little exception to is like
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not negative for the sake of negative, Like right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: it they play a good game and they and they
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: put good stuff on film. I say it was good,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: like the defense was good on Sunday. I've said that repeatedly.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: The defense was good on Sunday. But if I have
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: to be I have to be objective, Like I can't
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: just sit here and be positive just because I like.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: And so that's why all these people that are coming
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: after me, it's like, come after me. I guess like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna like change just because you want me
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: to be positive.
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: I tell you, like, you don't want that smoke.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: It just it is what it is, like they are
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: what they are spiing Fresno. It was only a couple
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: of years ago that a bright eyed Mike, I won't
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: forget you, Brady through so turned his spurn back on Tom,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: digging his heels deep into the turf to pledge the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: leegions to Bill as the great rebuild began. Yet by
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: now the fire in Mike's mighty lighthouse has dwindled, having
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: all but gone out. The once great champ now a
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: study in Mopish, and in that vein we have likewise
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: seen a noteworthy turning of the tides. Within the daunting
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: mind of Evan Lazar, the once staunch apologist for young McClellan,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: is now way down on Mac. Perhaps our esteemed all
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: twenty twur has seen enough to conclude, as some of
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: us have a long apine, that Mac's skill set and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: not simply the situation around him, is probably not up
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to the task of clutch play in the moments that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: win or lose NFL games. I disagree with that, which
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: brings me to my question, what would Mac have to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: do to reclaim Evan's love? A poem flowers? Maybe feed
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and walk Atlas for a month? Could a Mac Jones
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: rap video do the trip? But seriously, what would he
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have to do to redeem himself on the field? If
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Coach Lazar is indeed tapped to be New England's next OC,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the bridge between QB and his future nerd overlord must
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: be restored.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what the mess.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I what could Mac do? It's more like what could
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Bill do for Mac? I think that would get me
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: more so on board. I I have been optimistic about
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Mac since they drafted him and given him a fair
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: shake of thinking that that he could develop into a
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: better player than what he currently is. And I just
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that other shoe is gonna drop
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: with him. But what I do know what they could
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: do if this is the quarterback that they're gonna have,
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: is upgrade what's around him. And I think that's like
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: the chicken or the egg debate in my head that
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I constantly have with this offense and with Mac Jones,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: is should they rely on Mac getting better or should
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: they just accept the fact that this is who Mac
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: is and make the situation around him better? Because right
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: now they're middling it, which is to me why they're
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: eight to nine is because they're they're they're just kind
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: of right, They're they're playing it right down the middle
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: of saying, well, Mac might get a little bit better
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: and we're gonna maybe get a little bit better receive
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: for him, and like hopefully that but it just doesn't work.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and right now this stuck. I mean, they're not
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: gonna do anything this year. I mean there's no number
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: one receiver that they're going to bring in this year.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So we have what we have this year. Hopefully Parker
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: comes back.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: So you know, I got my eye on somebody. Oh
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch Cincinnati a little bit. Oh T Higgins,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I'm watching. I'm watching the Bengals and see what what
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: goes on. It didn't look, he was much involved the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: other day he was.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: He was actually targeted like eight times and zero catches.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take I'll take my take back.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I only saw this was like ie the eight okay,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: so I'll take that. I'll take that back. I saw
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: them throw into some guy number five. But that wasn't Higgins,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: was it? Did Higgins change his number?
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Was he really tall?
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was Higgins and it was he changed his number?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: And that that got me because I was just watching
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: the little monitor over here on on red Zone. I
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: didn't actually see any of the real highlights of I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: would definitely so never mind about that quick aside, Evan.
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: I think practice is in the bubble today. Michael Bublay,
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: Michael Buble, Sorry, the socios dot com field House.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Please say correctly.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Here we go, all right, eight five five past five
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: hundred is the ACE ticket hotline. Let's go to the phones.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys.
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: I think why a lot of the negative perception is
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: because it's the way that this particular group is. You
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: got snarky Paul, you know, sneaky negative deuce and then
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: not so sneaky negative Evan all coming out, and I
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: think what's leeding into it is their frustration with the team,
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: because they want the team to be good, so when
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: they're making their comments, that leads into it. And everybody
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: and only we only have Fred here trying to defend
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: against the three, whereas before it was just like it
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: was because Eric didn't count right right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: He had no opinion.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Exactly what is Fred defending? What is Fred defending?
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Again?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I'm defending Hope.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, but we all have Hope. I think we all
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: said that right. It doesn't come on very encouraging after is.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: What if people read your articles? You actually accent the
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: positive in your articles, but when you're on the radio,
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: it seems to come across more. It seems like you're
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: focusing more on the negative about what needs to be done,
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: what's lacking and stuff. But in your articles you say
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: positive stuff like Pop having his first experience, even Booty
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: getting some time, and like people need to read the
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: articles you guys write and listen to the show in
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: order to get the full picture.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: I think that, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: wish that yesterday. My one critique of myself is that
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: I feel like in and after further review, I told
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: both sides of the story a little bit better in
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: terms of the chicken or the egg that I just
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: broke down of, Like, it's obviously it's not all Mac
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Jones's fault that they lost on Sunday. No one's saying that.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: But you have to call the film for what it is.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, you can acknowledge that there
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: was a lot of context of there's guys injured, they
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: probably could have done more in the off season to
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: help him, and this is where we're at. So thanks
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: for saying that, Todd, because I agree.
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: Forward, what's one thing that needs to change in order
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: for Mac to be successful that when we can have change,
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: like does he need to have Juju get healthy? Does
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: he need a goal line.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Back beat a good team? He needs to play better
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: all of that or.
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: Just can get like one or two things.
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: Only the team has to start beating good teams. I mean,
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: it's just you know, you have to break the rut
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: of the last three years, and that's you know. Look,
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, I love speeds email.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: It was very well I think I think overall, thanks
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: for the call to they can't be constantly in third
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and long and in obvious passing situations. You know that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: there's things that have to happen to help Mac, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: then Mac needs to help himself.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: It's both, which goes to you got to be productive
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: on first down or you're screwed.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You know. So it's just it's right back to Evan's thing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: But I don't know, just going back to the bigger point,
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: it's like, you know, I appreciate what Speed wrote. You know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: when I started here, we were coming off of the
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: sixth Super Bowl, and we've watched four seasons of five
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: hundred football. So I'm sorry that I'm not still just like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: isn't this awesome? Like, and I struggle to see people
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: who are still like that, Like we've been watching what
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: we've been watching, and I feel like, to Evan's point,
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: it's been like a slow motion car crash this year
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: because a lot of the things that we talked about
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: for six months were not addressed, and now they're coming
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: home to roost and everyone wants us to be fine
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: with it. And it's like when we're there talking about
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: twenty five different tackles at the combine, being like they
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: got to get one of these guys and instead, they
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: draft a guy from what Eastern Michigan who was a
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: left guard and try to make him.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: A tackle and then played him at right guard and
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: then played him at.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Right guard with like a week of meet while like the.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: One that was taken in the fourth round is starting
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: right right to.
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: Want Jones, who's a monster and looks like you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: you imagine when he was.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know what he's going to be.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: But still it's I will.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Say I in all fairness to Mac, like you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: the callers are asking like what's I am reserving like
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: complete judgment until the guards are back like it because
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: having the clean interior of the pocket for him in
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: particular is so massive because he needs to step into
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: the throws. He needs to step into it. And if
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: those two guys can come in and be really rock
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: solid up the middle with David Andrews, then it does
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: change some things about their outlook.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: To me, I absolutely agree with that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And what we analyze is the game not like what's
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you know necessarily like I don't think anybody here is
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: saying like it's time to pull the plug, like this
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: is done, this is over. They tried this, it didn't work.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: It's done no, Like I think two weeks ago, we
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: were talking about entering a season with hope that Bill
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: O'Brien could help Mac Jones, that Adrian Klem could help
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: the offensive line, and we'll see what these things do.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to just like give up on that
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: hope after a game when Fred comes like, I just
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: don't like the whole thing, like we're supposed to do
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: X when we analyze. Like when if I was listening
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: and I was completely you know, on the other side
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: of the dial, and Fred was saying things that I
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: agreed with, but I found out that he wasn't really
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: thinking that, he was just telling me what I wanted
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: to hear. Well, conversely, I was really down on the team,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: and I heard Evan saying a bunch of stuff about
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones, you know, really didn't make that many plus
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: throws in the game, and I'd agreed with me, But
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: then I found out later that Evan was just being
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: negative because he was trying to put some bad like
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I don't want to listen to those shows. I don't
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: want to listen to guys that don't tell me what
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: they really think, you know, this whole thing like, well
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: you're right, and then you accentuate that. No what, no
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: one's like going out of their way to accentuate any
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: element of anything. My big takeaway on Sunday was the
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: defensive performance against a good offense. Someone else's takeaway may
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: have been the offense just can't do it when it counts. Again,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think either one of those takeaways is wrong.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what the fun of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: show is.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: It's like, who would have predicted what the takes would
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: have been when we started that show yesterday? Like that,
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: you know that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Wherever we don't talk about this stuff before we.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: Come now like and that's what's you know, fun all
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: of a sudden. I mean, certainly we you know, the games,
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: we watched the game together. You know, sometimes when Evan
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: and Fred aren't there, you guys are away at away games.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: It's always interesting because you see different things, you know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: and meanwhile, Paul and I are watching here. But I
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: mean that's you know, that's what's good. It's never rehearsed,
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: it's you know, how we feel.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Anthony's in Seattle. What's up Anthony? Hey?
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: What's up of my people?
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Hey? Hey? Listen?
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: Am I allowed to say fist off. Sure, sure, all right, listen,
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: I promise I'll be careful. I've never cussed on the
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: show before. I'm not going to start today. I got
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: two quick things. There's no way I'm going to be
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: able to get all my thoughts out today. So I
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: got one thing that I just one specific thing that
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: I feel like hasn't been talked about, and then just
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: kind of one summary thing that I think best illustrates
• 48:37
  Speaker 10: my my frustration. But one thing that I think hasn't
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: kind of an underrated bad decision that I'm getting tired
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: of with Mac is when you get down. You got
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: first and ten from the eighteen yard line. You got
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: over a minute, you got plenty of time. I think
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: we had a time out, but we might have not,
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: but we didn't need one. We had plenty of time.
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: And the first thing you do, I thought it was
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: a Devonte Parker thing. Parker's not even in the game,
• 49:01
  Speaker 10: and you sold the fifty to fifty fade to Booty.
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: It's like he's got to fall out of love.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: With that throw.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: He actually he actually was open and in the ball.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: He didn't give him a chance on the ball, which
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that's a Booty thing, Like, if that's
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Parker in that spot instead of Booty, I gotta feel
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: like Mac puts that in bounds and let's Parker try
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: to go get the booth ball. I actually thought Booty
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: won the route and he sailed it over his head
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: out of bounds, which is weird.
• 49:29
  Speaker 10: Okay, I don't want to argue about that one the
• 49:32
  Speaker 10: big thing, so I can get off the phone. But
• 49:34
  Speaker 10: the reason I'm pissed off is because, Okay, if you
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: were to take the four units Patriots offense, Patriots defense,
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: Egles offense, Egos defense, I think everyone would agree who
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: had the best game Patriots defense, yep. But I think
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: if I was to list the four in my opinion,
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: I think if I was to list the four in order,
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: I think it would go Patriots defense, Patriots offense, Eagles defense,
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: Eagles offense, and we steal find in a way to
• 50:00
  Speaker 10: not win against these good teams. And that's the reason
• 50:05
  Speaker 10: I'm pissed off. It's like, after going down fifteen, Oh,
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: that's as thorough as we've out played a good team
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: since Brady left, and we still find a way to
• 50:15
  Speaker 10: not put it together. It's like you, rather, it's like
• 50:19
  Speaker 10: Mac doesn't trust you get down with the eighteen yard line.
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: You don't trust yourself to not trust yourself to throw
• 50:25
  Speaker 10: like three to five good you know, quality passes in
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: the middle of the field and go ahead.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: And punch it in.
• 50:31
  Speaker 10: You want to get lucky and try to throw a
• 50:33
  Speaker 10: fifty to fifty one, you know, And you know at
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: that point in the game, they really didn't have an
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: answer for a Hunter Henry in the middle of the field.
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: I don't know, man, it's just it's getting old. We
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: got to start winning these quality games obviously. You know,
• 50:46
  Speaker 10: I got my Super Bowl prediction out there. I got
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: high ass you know, you know, expectations for this team,
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: and it's centered around this defense that did an excellent job.
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: You know, it's time, man, It's time. That's all I
• 50:59
  Speaker 10: got got.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, In terms of the offense, I think next three games,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: we'll have three opportunities quality games. You know, even without
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, that defense is for real. We'll have three
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: good tests for this offense in after four games. Yeah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: let's see.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: What we got. Well.
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: I think just to respond to his I mean to
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: his you know, ranking of the things in his turnovers,
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: like you throw a pick six and a fumble that
• 51:22
  Speaker 8: they score.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know that's that was a That was
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: the big message today.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: That's the big difference.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: You know, you hear David Andrews, you heard Hunter Henry.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: It's protecting the football and getting off to a faster start.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: And really, you got to do that. This is not
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: a good defense you're facing Sunday night. This is a
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: defense you need to score now the next two Fred's right, Jets, Dallas,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: those two defenses on the road run. But here's the thing,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: no picnic at all.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: It's not a great defense, but it is a great offense,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and that's going to put pressure on our offense to
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: keep up. Perhaps.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean if it's you know, if you
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: lose like the Chargers did, then I will I won't
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: sit here saying, well, you know, match, but if you
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: can't get out of the low twenties again, like right,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: the other team just put third and four on.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: So, if you're right, if the Miami defense is not
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that good going off of what they did, we should
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: be expected to do better score wise, certainly than we
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: did in Week one.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Right, And that's Mike's I think that's back to Mike's
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: points of like you just have to protect the ball
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: and play four quarters and not one.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and would I would just say too generally, Like
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: I mean I've said this many times on this show.
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: It's about the division, you know, Like, like I'm not
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: going to overreact to a Week one game against Philly
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: either way. I Mean, that's why I kind of feel
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: a little bit balanced about it. They're a unique team,
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: They're a talented team that they've had all year to
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: prepare for. But if you want to be successful, you
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: got to win in the division. And this is you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: again to you haven't beaten them, You've had all this
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: time to prepare for him. These are the teams you
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: should know best. This is these are the teams that
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: you should be built to beat so you can get.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: In the playoffs.
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: So, you know, I'm feeling down the middle right now,
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: but these next two games for me are the ones
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: that are really going to matter.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Mark's in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: Hey?
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: Evan and che boy Mark. I just wanted to, you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: back Evan up here and just say that me and
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: have talked about this on the Catch twenty two podcasts
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: all over the offseason. They needed to get Matt Jones
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: a number one receiver. They never did, and that's why
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: it cost them the game on Sunday. I mean, if
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: you have a legit number one guy, whoever it is,
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: they make that catch like they Flowers would have made
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: that catch. Whoever you want to put in there at
• 53:32
  Speaker 11: the number one receiver would have made that catch.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I think which catch are we talking about?
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: The booty?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: The one on the side.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: And but just out of curiosity, then what would have happened, Well,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: it gives you, you know, you'd had.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: One more plays, yeah first and yeah White nine or something,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and I.
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: Just but you're going to stress the defense guys.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Right, So maybe that number one option would have been covered.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: But it starts with that play. I mean, you've got
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to make those plays. You got to make those plays
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: down the stretch, right, you know, and.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: The offense doesn't the offense that you know.
• 54:06
  Speaker 11: You go back to twenty eighteen, why did we pick
• 54:09
  Speaker 11: the dumbest wide receiver in the draft, Nikhil Harry? You
• 54:12
  Speaker 11: had DK Metcalf there, you had a J Brown there
• 54:14
  Speaker 11: at Deebo Samuel. Then you go to twenty nineteen. You
• 54:17
  Speaker 11: don't move up two spots to get Jefferson. I mean,
• 54:21
  Speaker 11: it's just time after time, and then you pick Taekwon Thornton.
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: You could have had George Pickens. It's just again and
• 54:26
  Speaker 11: again and again that Bill just can't for some reason
• 54:29
  Speaker 11: picked the good wide receiver.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's crazy. It's crazy.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have no argue. I have no argument
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: with the draft.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: My crazy did not want George Pickens. I get the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: general point, But I just I loved George. He's a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: hot head, and he just seems I don't that's bad.
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: It just seems volatile. I don't know. I just there's
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: something that just seems like.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: But like over this, like Antonio Brown volatile.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Uh no, but but but shades of that. I mean,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's Antonio Brown. But I don't know. There's just
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: something about George Pickens that seems like.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I if that's true, then I would
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: agree with you. I didn't know that about him.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: What is that Brown?
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: They were making fun of the you guys that the
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: suits with the shorts. That's a big that was a
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: big thing on game day for players.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: It's the socks that kill me. It's sassy.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, I don't I don't like that. Look,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I think you want to try that one. I think
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Jamie Collins had it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: It sounds all right. I had something like that. Yeah,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I mean he's he has his own fashion sense, Jamie Collins.
• 55:28
  Speaker 12: Uh.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Brenton, Vermont. What's up brent.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: Hey, boys, how you guys doing today?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Good? Good?
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: The first thing I want to say is I cannot
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: stand when Tony Romo comments not only the Patriots game,
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: but Patriots game in particular. I cannot stand his wishy,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: washy crappy takes he has. So that's the first thing.
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: But second thing, my main thing I want to call
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: about is how do you guys feel about the NFL.
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: I'm off bringing in these referees as full time employees
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: because during that Patriots I counted like five or six
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: calls that were huge game changers that would have helped
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: us out in particular, and not very much so on
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: the eagle side, not saying it's printed or anything like that. Yeah,
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: So we could stop seeing these crappy which ruined games.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I mean I have an example.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: Do I have an example?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: Oh no, I had a couple of bruis of me man,
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: I can't think of one thing off the top of
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: my head.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: A couple holding calls that uh.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the holding call on on Hunter Henry may not
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: have Actually it was on.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Pharrell Brown, Yeah, Farrel Brown. Mike told me that far.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it definitely was what the film said. It
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be eighty six. Eighty Henry wasn't holding
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: on that play.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: The ref called out the wrong number. It should have
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: been eighty six.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, it was only a good drive going
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: when the guy went and motion tripped and fell and
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: got called for a chop block.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: That was the only egregious one. Listen tripped over Kelsey
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: from it. And some crews are better than others, But
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: with all the checks and balances in place these days,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: it's less of a factor than it used to be.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, how about having to go to replay for
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: that last call on Kaishan Booty.
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah right, I mean, I'm all for like trying to
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: get better referee, but like, is there any assurance that
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: making them full time would make it happen, like would make.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Them This full time thing is one of the moment
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: one of the most overrated things ever. You know, so
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: if I'm just if I'm just a referee and I'm
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: making two hundred and fifty thousand right there, I will
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: be more focused on my calls on Sunday, like I'll
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: be more prepared.
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: It's still gonna happen super fast and you have to
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: make a split second decision.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I think the officiating stinks, as Fred will tell you.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: I've never seen a game that I thought was properly
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: officiated in any sport. I just don't think at any level.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I just don't think the games are fixed. I don't
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: think it. I don't think that they stink against my team.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: That's the only difference I have for most fans.
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: It's also the nature of the sport where you could
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: probably call holding on pretty much any play, you know,
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: like it's just there's it's such a subjective referee sport,
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: whereas I feel like less sports, maybe a.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Little bit less.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I know basketball is tough. I mean, I really didn't
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: think they officiated. Had anyone had much of an impact
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: on the game at all. The other day either there
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: was one. There was one that I thought the two
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: point conversion at the Calvin Anderson hold, I think someone
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: someone I didn't go back and look at it. So
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it myself, but someone said that it
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: was kind of ticky tech. But the federal brown one
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: you told me was clear.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: It reached like over them in like it was a
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: weird It was a weird kind of thing.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: Well, even if they were just to do like an
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: instant replay, I mean, we got one hundred different angles
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: with these cameras with four K resolution. I mean, I'm
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: not saying stop the game for every single play, but
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: I mean there's no reason why someone from the booths
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: who can't like to see a blatant like call that
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: is a game changer, be like, oh, hey, you guys
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: miss this because I mean, there's only human on the field,
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: you know, Like, I don't blame them for missing things
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: from time to time because they're only humans. And they
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: only got two wide for one hundred different camera.
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: Angles that we have in this day and age.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the games take long enough, they have enough replace
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: They shouldn't they shouldn't have to replay like that last
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: call like that wasn't even really close to being impounds.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I think they have enough problems with replay.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Let's see Esteban all the way down from Costa Rica,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: he said, He says, I love the take and I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: love your show. No bs keeping it real great analysis
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: in the offense from Evan Mike is amazing. Uh taking
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: on the d and Paul and Fred, they are guys
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: who keeps the thing realistic. Have you guys found out
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: why Juju was out on the final play? Oh, we're
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: gonna find out final play?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: How about the final So let's it's a good time
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: to talk about that. So Bill was asked about Juju
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: this morning and he said, we'll have an injury report.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Later on a day see if he was injured. Maybe, yeah,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: give him an out.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: You know, was he was was the fact that he
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: wasn't out there at the end of the game at
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  Speaker 3: all injury related. And Bill's answer was, well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll get that injury report to you, you know, first.
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  Speaker 4: One of the week.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I kind of read that as to be Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think we're going to see Juju Smith Schuster's name
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• 1:00:04
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  Speaker 15: Part two repeat guests, Fantasy Football Punishment. However, before we
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  Speaker 15: ones I believe sold out or almost sold out online,
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  Speaker 15: so these are a hot item. I believe this one
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  Speaker 15: was done by a local tattoo artist in Rhode Island,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 15: so it's a pretty cool, pretty cool thing, right there.
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  Speaker 15: So all right, here are the questions. Question one for
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 15: Adam Viniti's game winning kick in Super Bowl thirty six,
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  Speaker 15: who was the holder all right, don't answer, don't answer.
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  Speaker 15: I think that's a good one. Number two, how many
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  Speaker 15: receiving yards did Dion Branch have in Super Bowl thirty
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  Speaker 15: nine that was against the Eagles? And number three, who
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  Speaker 15: did Mac Jones throw his first career touchdown? Past two?
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  Speaker 15: And we actually had to google this one and watch
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 15: the play before. So I don't think everybody's gonna get
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 15: that one. But those are the questions. Send your answers
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 15: into web radio at Patriots dot com and guys, let's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 15: get into it part two of the best fantasy football punishments.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 15: You know, last week we had Danny talk about the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 15: clear bag and the loser has to wear a clear
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 15: bag or puts an item in. We had the inanimate
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 15: object you got take on a date. So, Alex, you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 15: look ready to go. What do you have?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to go.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 15: I feel like Veronica's Ronica. You want to go, I'm
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 15: ready to go.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: I got it.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 16: So I was reading about one where the loser had
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 16: to take the SAT and I just think that's such
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 16: a cruel punishment because I don't think I could take
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 16: the essay.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 15: I had a friend who had to do that before,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 15: like that was their punishment. I think it was the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 15: act and you had to get a certain score.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I would put a score requirement on that because
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: if you don't get it, you have to do it
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 12: again until you, Like, I want people studying.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 16: I was going to say, does that mean you study
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 16: all season?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 12: Just I think you get test prep.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I think you pay for you get the big book.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 12: You just yeah, I don't want to do it again.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 15: I think if it be a little funny if you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 15: did the s S at which is what what is
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 15: that middle schoolers used to get into, like boarding school
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 15: or like.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 12: This isn't out of touch, Matista, what do you mean?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: What do you mean listen to public?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 15: Okay, okay, okay, yeah you get to imagine. All right,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 15: you're taking the test with college kids. You taking it
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 15: with an eighth grader. We were just trying to go
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 15: to high school. Chess player, deer Field. What prep school
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 15: did you go to again? Kimball Union, Kimble Union Academy,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 15: Hockey hockey powerhouse. You didn't play hockey, no, I know,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 15: but I like to watch the game soccer team Oh yeah,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 15: very good soccer.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 15: I got one, And when I said this, you guys
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 15: gave me a weird look, I said, I have. I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 15: told you about the one with the peanut butter and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 15: the lookie guys got wide eyed.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 12: I did not, but I also got hungry because I'm
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 12: starving and you made me do this before we got breakfast.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 15: Well hopefully this one, well, I don't know, maybe we'll
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 15: make you younger. Loser needs to cover themselves in peanut
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 15: butter and go to a dog park. And and I've
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 15: I've heard about this one. I read it, But like,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 15: what would you do if you're just take making your
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 15: pup and you just see a person just in like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 15: spandex covered in peanut butter.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I have a dumb question.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 16: What if you're allergic to peanuts?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 12: Yeah, what if you're allergic to peanuts and you just
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 12: stroll to the dog park dogs?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 15: You could change it for that.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 16: If you're allergic to dogs, people are allergy dogs.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 15: Gets a punishment. It's not supposed to be.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: A love dogs.
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  Speaker 12: This is still so disgusting.
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  Speaker 15: I just think about like.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 12: I'm thinking bulldogs, French cheese, I mean those things.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 15: Do you have to walk there like you don't want
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 15: to mess up the car? Do you put the peanut
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 15: butter on?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 12: You would have to sit in a trash bag or something.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: You have to cut out, you wear like a and you.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 15: Put you just get covered in peanut. But I just
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 15: and I just feel like you're just asking to get Karen.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 15: There's just gonna be some angry dog mom. I would
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 15: have been. I think a lot of oh I know, i'd.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 12: Be a lot of strangers get into fights and altercations
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 12: at dog parks. Imagine, So what if you get that.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 15: This is funny, it's a punishment.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Bring your EpiPen.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 15: Somebody's gonna be there with the cameray next time. Don't lose,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 15: all right? I found another one as I got yeah,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 15: this is what I want to hear.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: The submission was there?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: The submission there was?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 15: This wasn't submission. This is just one on top fantacy
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 15: football punch. It's loser has to play a US Open
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 15: qualifier for golf. And I guess, like I guess anybody
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 15: can like go to a qualify around but then there's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 15: like actually good golfers, So like if I went, i'd
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 15: just be it'd be bad. I'm not the best golfer,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 15: but it'd be quite the experience.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 16: You could have a loser tryout for American idol that'd
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 16: be embarrassing?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Is that still American?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: I feel like it is, right, I don't know.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 15: All right, Alex, come on, you gotta have one, okay.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 12: I like the general theme of having to wear a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 12: ridiculous outfit out in public, like anything that's like, oh,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 12: dress a guy up and a crop top and he
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 12: has to go parade himself around totally serious and a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 12: super public place, tour assassination like whatever you like.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 15: Public shame.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 12: Public shaming is always really funny because as many times
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: as you have to say I lost my fantasy football league,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 12: the better.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 15: Yeah, that's how I feel. Like what like with my
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 15: friend in the Nacho lebre costume?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 12: Yeah, like twenty four hours in an eye hoop. Don't
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 12: get me wrong, that sucks. But like, the only people
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 12: you really have to fend off looks for are like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 12: your waitress and then the couple people that stop to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: ask you, Like, like, people aren't really going to be
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 12: asking you what you're doing because they're probably leaving the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 12: eyepop in a normal amount.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 16: Of time, and public shame, nobody's asking.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: People are just judging.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 16: Yes, Like, no one's gonna stop and ask you you're
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 16: just gonna get a dry losk.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 15: So what you're saying is you love the guy who
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 15: had to go on the duck boat duck Boat tour
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 15: and the duck costume. Definitely with the sign that says
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 15: I duck at Fantasy Football. Yes, and he also had
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 15: to do that four times in a row, which is abaz.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 12: Also anything to do with body hair removal, it was
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 12: really funny. As a woman that like gets waxes, it
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 12: hurts so bad. So the idea of a man just
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 12: having hit his back wax or his chest wax is gold.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 16: You're very vulnerable too.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: It's a very vulnerable.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: State to be in.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 15: Like we had the piercnes and my friend he passed
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 15: out and it was during Covidas.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: What did he get pears?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 15: Is he got his nipple piers. It was during COVID
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 15: And so we walked into the tattoo parlor and they
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 15: were like my friend was like no, like like they
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 15: were like no, only one person and because it was COVID,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 15: and he literally had to have my friend go and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 15: like hold his hand, and we all stayed in the car.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And we're like, how did they do this?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 15: We were like, oh my god, this sounds really painful,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 15: and my friend like comes out. He's like, hey, like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 15: so h yeah, no, he's he's not doing too well.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 15: The tattoo parlor said we can go in one by
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 15: one because it was COVID, like depths COVID, and he's like,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 15: he passed out. They gave him some coca cola to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 15: get his blood sugar back up. Yeah, pepsi, pepsi and yeah,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 15: and so that was that and then he lost again
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 15: and he'd had to do the nacho libre thing.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 12: And still rocking the nibble piercing.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 15: No, he took it out immediately.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, you should have to wear it for a little while.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 15: And if he's listening to this, no, you still owe
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 15: us a belly button piercing.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 16: So yeah, he didn't forget noah, he didn't forget.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 15: Not the belly button. Yeah that's next. So oh my,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 15: but a piercing, piercing tattoos, all that stuff. That that's classic,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: right there, Ronka anything else?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 16: I love the tattoo idea.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 16: I think as somebody would zero tattoos.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it would be so bad.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: I have no tattoos, and that's why I hate it.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 12: I would get like that's where I would motivation. I
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 12: would draw a line. I would say, I'm sorry, you
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 12: can kick me out of the league.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 15: I'm not doing so that's that's a good question. What like,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 15: So you're like tattoo you lose, You're like, I'm at
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 15: the league. I'm not doing it, like.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 16: I think for me, it's anything that needs to be
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 16: like eaten, like people who make you eat something.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 12: I'll try anything twice, but I'm not cutting my hair.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 12: And I'm not getting a tattooed.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 16: No, like if they if they want you to eat
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 16: like I don't know, like a bug of some kind
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 16: or something like that, like bad food.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: No, thank you.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 12: Okay, I just thought of something that could be really funny.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 12: So this is something.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 15: Okay.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 12: Background story is I went to middle school in high
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 12: school with this kid that was absolutely outrageous, hilarious person
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 12: but an absolute character. And I think his parents were
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 12: going to drug test him for marijuana. So he came
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 12: to school day and they were gonna do like the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 12: hair follicles. Oh yes, Like I was in eighth grade,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 12: so this is like his parents were doing like the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 12: hair follicle test. So this dude comes to school one
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 12: day with his eyebrows and his head completely sure, but uh.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 15: So, yeah, how funny would that be?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 12: He looked so outrageous that the thought of that being
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 12: a punishment is a really funny one. You're like, your
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 12: eyebrows will grow back, It'll be fine, but you will
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 12: take years ridiculously. No, it only took a couple of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 12: months for this, dude, don't worry months.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 15: You say that like it's a.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 12: It was like two or three months growing all awkward.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 12: He happened to get suspended from school in the process
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 12: of it growing back, so a lot of it.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: He just got to spend that home. So by the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: time he came back.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 15: Did he get suspended because he failed the test?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I think?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 12: Oh no, this was that unrelated to school his parents
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 12: were doing.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 16: Oh I was gonna say, I would purposely act out
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 16: this is what you.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Missed in public school.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 15: Okay, love it, love it, love it all right, guys,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 15: this is a good one, Veronica, pleasure. Thank you for joining.
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  Speaker 15: You will be back, guys. If you have anything you
• 1:11:42
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  Speaker 15: trivia and check out the poster series on patriots dot Com.
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• 1:11:54
  Speaker 15: thank you, and let's get back to Patrit's unfiltered.
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  Speaker 1: And now great moments in history. He says that are
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: any of you playing word?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: I played? Do you play? Eric? Why not? Gets so upset?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: But well, the way you answered it, No, that's not.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Isn't that how we just said it? Is said, yes, absolutely,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: you were very nossily not how I said it in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: my head. I never tell you how I read it.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: I read it that. I have no time for that.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, he has plenty of time for it.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: He plays a bunch of other games like that.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, everybody else is doing that one, right, all right?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't like why I read it?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: You don't like wordle Eric, I don't know. I've never
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: done it, So then why are you so dismissive? I'm
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: not so dismissive. You know, why do you think they
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: chose five letter words? That's the most common number of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: the English language.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: I don't know, but it's it's always maddening when they
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: use a letter twice, which I don't like that.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: I don't like that. I think they did that today.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: They did.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Well, if you pick a letter, explain all the rules.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: If you're interested, go find out like for expance, Like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: if it was you, I'm so dismissive. I wasn't. Now
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: you want to know about it. We're a little bit dismissing,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: just a little bit. That's another great moment. All right
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, this is throwback week. Uh
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins coming to town for a Sunday night game,
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  Speaker 1: but the team will be wearing their reds, their throwback reds,
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Hall of Famer, NFL Hall of Famer right in
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  Speaker 1: the house. So let's bring in Andre Tippett to talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about, you know, the old days. And
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  Speaker 1: you know what he thinks about when he sees the
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  Speaker 1: team coming out in those reds. Hey Andre, how you doing?
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  Speaker 4: Hey Fred, what's happening? Thank you for having me on here.
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  Speaker 1: So you were red shirts what do you think.
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  Speaker 4: I love the uniform. I'm glad we we we we.
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  Speaker 17: Are focusing on showing it off early in the season too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 17: it's a great uniform. I mean, I think every team
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  Speaker 17: should be mandated to wear at least twice a year
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  Speaker 17: just to do that.
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  Speaker 1: They should be mandated to wear our uniform.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, that'd be awesome too.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought that I love the red jersey too,
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  Speaker 1: But I would love to have an alternate, you know,
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  Speaker 1: current jersey in red with the white helmet, but the
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  Speaker 1: new logo, like that could be the alternate. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: an alternate Current uniform in addition to the throwback. I
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  Speaker 1: think that would be a sharp I think that would
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  Speaker 1: be sharp. The white helmet with the elvis in the
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  Speaker 1: red jersey. That's a good question. So you got the
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  Speaker 1: white helmet.
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  Speaker 8: See he took cares about these things like I do.
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  Speaker 1: The let me. We got into a big argument. Was
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  Speaker 1: there a time in the NFL where a player could
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  Speaker 1: have a different color grill, like, because I remember on
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots some guys, I think so, some guys back
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  Speaker 1: in the day had white girls and some had red girls. No, no, never,
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  Speaker 1: you had to have one color that I'm wrong, But
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  Speaker 1: I thought I remember like some guys having red because
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  Speaker 1: we had read for a.
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  Speaker 17: While, right, yeah, we had we one year, I believe
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  Speaker 17: late eighties we had the red.
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  Speaker 3: Face mask, remember that, which was yeah, yeah, maybe the
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Millen era.
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  Speaker 1: So I love you, So let me ask when when
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  Speaker 1: you were a player, were uniforms a big deal? Like
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  Speaker 1: did you care, like if your uniform looked good or not?
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  Speaker 1: Like did you compare like, oh, I like, I like
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  Speaker 1: the charges uniform? You know, was that a big deal
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  Speaker 1: to players back then?
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  Speaker 4: No, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 17: The only time I ever cared about my uniform was
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  Speaker 17: probably when we switched over to the new the one
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  Speaker 17: year that I that I got to play only because
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  Speaker 17: of the company who produced it.
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  Speaker 4: The pants were awful.
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  Speaker 1: Was that starter Apex Apex. It was nasty and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what we're wrong with the pants?
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  Speaker 4: It just didn't They were hard to put on. It
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  Speaker 4: was the material was.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't give you enough support in the area. It was
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  Speaker 1: you pulled.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you want to put your stuff now.
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  Speaker 17: I'm gonna tell you, I didn't really care, but you
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  Speaker 17: do care about how you feel when you're running around
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  Speaker 17: out there.
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  Speaker 4: You want to make sure everything is in place. Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, and you know once you sent you up and go,
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  Speaker 17: now you go, but you're putting this stuff on it
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  Speaker 17: and all of a sudden, like leg doesn't feel right.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta get a razor and you're cutting something over here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, what is wrong with this up? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So that was APEX. I don't know how long they
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  Speaker 1: used apex.
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  Speaker 4: Not very long, probably two three years. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So so you're saying that guys didn't care about the
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  Speaker 1: look of the uniform, like, you know, no, what about
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  Speaker 1: what about numbers?
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  Speaker 8: How you ended up with fifty six, which is like
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  Speaker 8: an all time linebacker number. You're an all time linbeer?
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  Speaker 1: How did you end up with?
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  Speaker 17: I wanted I want to fit. People ask all the time.
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  Speaker 17: I was a big Thomas Henderson uh Dallas watching him
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  Speaker 17: do his thing out there. You know, he's a linebacker
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  Speaker 17: punt returning and you know, he was just clowning out
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  Speaker 17: there on the football field, and it kind of stood
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  Speaker 17: out to me and I actually when I got to Iowa,
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  Speaker 17: I was hoping I could get the number, and they
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  Speaker 17: said coach wants all his line all the defensive ends
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  Speaker 17: to be in ninety numbers and I'm like what, and
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  Speaker 17: but I didn't say anything. And then when I got here,
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  Speaker 17: you know what number you want? Right away they asked
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  Speaker 17: me what number you want? I said fifty six. Well
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  Speaker 17: I didn't realize their boy.
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  Speaker 4: Had got cut. Rod show was.
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  Speaker 17: Everybody was like everybody's favorite guy, and so here I am.
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  Speaker 1: The body wasn't even number.
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  Speaker 17: Body wasn't even cold. Yeah, this rookie coming in here
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  Speaker 17: with the number. They all gave me a funky look.
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  Speaker 17: But I wanted it because Thomas Thomas Anderson I never
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  Speaker 17: wrought the show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what about Miami? So that's the throwbacks against
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  Speaker 3: the throwback teams. And you obviously had a million million
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  Speaker 3: games against Miami. Any particular ones that stood out.
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  Speaker 4: Ship all of them, any of them with Marino in.
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  Speaker 17: It, because you know you're like hitting him, Yeah, getting
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  Speaker 17: after him. Marino was obviously we all know he's a
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  Speaker 17: great player. He's a great football player. He's a tough basket.
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  Speaker 17: Just when you think you can intimidate him, you got
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  Speaker 17: him intimidate it.
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  Speaker 4: He's not intimidating.
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  Speaker 17: And I used to love watching the antics though, between
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  Speaker 17: him and Dwight Stevens because White was his uh center
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  Speaker 17: and I'm gonna tell you, if anybody got close to
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  Speaker 17: Marino got a sniff on him, he would look at
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  Speaker 17: He'd be yelling Dwight, Dwight, oh yeah, and d White
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  Speaker 17: would turn around and then he would prosecute guys. He
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  Speaker 17: would and I, you know if I'd laugh then, But
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  Speaker 17: I appreciated it now because you know, they had a
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  Speaker 17: pride about protecting their quarterback. They knew they had something
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  Speaker 17: special there with him. And you know, Dan and I
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  Speaker 17: have been amazing. I mean when I see him and
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  Speaker 17: I feel like, you know, a long list brother when
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  Speaker 17: I see him, Man, we have a long conversation. We talked,
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  Speaker 17: but I would try to hurt him.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to. I wanted to do something to just.
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  Speaker 17: Because I knew he was you know, you let him
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  Speaker 17: back there along when he's gonna He.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to hurt you in another way. Wanted to hurt you.
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  Speaker 1: On the score.
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  Speaker 17: He was dropping dimes like crazy, and you know, he
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  Speaker 17: had an unbelievable release, and obviously they practiced that, just
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  Speaker 17: like we practice tackling and you you practice running and
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  Speaker 17: walking through plays. He had a clock in his mind.
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  Speaker 17: One thousand and one, one thousand and two, one thousand
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  Speaker 17: three get rid of it, and it was like for
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  Speaker 17: us pass rush is trying to get to him. We
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  Speaker 17: you know, we had it in our ear what you know,
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  Speaker 17: how much time we're gonna have to get off blocks
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  Speaker 17: and get to him.
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  Speaker 4: And he was just he was He was amazing for.
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  Speaker 1: Even even after he tore his achilles and he came back,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was still good. After he came back.
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  Speaker 1: He was you know, he was never known as a
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  Speaker 1: mobile quarterback, and it was probably a little less mobile
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  Speaker 1: when he came back, but still the release was there,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the anger went up a notch absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you know I can't run at all.
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  Speaker 3: Now protect me even more, right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he had great receivers. He always had.
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  Speaker 17: He always had great receivers, great backs that could catch
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  Speaker 17: out of the backfield, and the tight ends. They were
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  Speaker 17: not the tight ends that we were fortunate to experience
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  Speaker 17: here over over our time. But he had guys that were.
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  Speaker 1: He You say he had great receivers, But were any
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  Speaker 1: of his receivers Did any of them go in the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? They both went out that Moore was
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. I don't think anything more so I think
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  Speaker 1: he made them great. You know, you know, like and
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  Speaker 1: I you know, and I hate to say it because
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  Speaker 1: we're all talking about Mac now, but like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we like Mac. But if Dan Marino was with Kendrick
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  Speaker 1: Bourne or he'd make him, he'd make him better, make
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  Speaker 1: him great. Yeah, make it great, Dan.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Hey, Dan is one of the greatest quarterbacks to play.
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  Speaker 1: In the National Footbow Yeah, no doubt.
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  Speaker 17: And he had an unbelievable gun for an arm and
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  Speaker 17: the dude was was was tough too, man, I mean
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  Speaker 17: he he you know when we say that, and I mean,
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  Speaker 17: you got to be a tough guy to play this game.
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  Speaker 17: But also you got to have that tough mindedness when
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  Speaker 17: you need these guys two minutes. Yeah, it's thirty seconds
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  Speaker 17: left in the fourth quarter and you got the ball.
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  Speaker 4: Can you make the play?
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  Speaker 1: I mean confidence, Brady, do that?
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  Speaker 8: What was the game playing against him when you guys
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  Speaker 8: would face him all with what was the we We.
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  Speaker 17: Couldn't blow an assignment. We truly could not blow an
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  Speaker 17: assignment when we got ready to go down to Miami
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  Speaker 17: to play them, or if we were getting ready to
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  Speaker 17: play Miami. Uh, I swear to you on Saturdays where
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  Speaker 17: everybody else was showering up getting ready to get on
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  Speaker 17: the bus to get on the airplane to fly down there.
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  Speaker 4: We were down in the field on the in the
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  Speaker 4: in the red zone and Rod Russ was on us.
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  Speaker 17: You know, we were we were going through certain plays
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  Speaker 17: that they were good at and we were just we
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  Speaker 17: had to communicate. We had the you know, the motion
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  Speaker 17: we got trips left. All of a sudden, there's motion left.
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  Speaker 17: I want to hear you guys communicating and and he
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  Speaker 17: needed to know that we were one hundred percent ready.
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  Speaker 17: And that's that was the key to playing those guys
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  Speaker 17: was you don't make a mistake because they're gonna do
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  Speaker 17: the same thing over and over again and they're gonna
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  Speaker 17: come back until you stop it.
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  Speaker 4: And and that's what we would do.
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  Speaker 17: We would we would practice and making sure that we
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  Speaker 17: all communicated, and believe it or not, we got better
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  Speaker 17: as as a as a defeam that way.
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  Speaker 1: You know, now you can talk strategy a little, but
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  Speaker 1: was like was the idea like you know, like controlled rush,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get him off PLoP, get him out of
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  Speaker 1: the pocket. Like was there a certain way that you
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  Speaker 1: were asked to go after him?
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  Speaker 17: Oh, you definitely wanted to get in his face because
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  Speaker 17: he didn't want anybody in his face. He didn't want
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  Speaker 17: he didn't want to be when he's releasing that ball.
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  Speaker 17: He wanted to have free, free rooms. And you know
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  Speaker 17: he when when when stuff was around him, he got
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  Speaker 17: really nervous about that.
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  Speaker 1: And you'd see, was there a effort to like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: run some stunts up the mid.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of stunts up the middle. Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Uh, and and a lot of stuff coming from from
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  Speaker 17: from outside too, but but most of it heavy heavy
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  Speaker 17: doses of up the middle stuff.
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  Speaker 8: How did you how did you guys put it together?
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  Speaker 8: In it in eighty five AFC Championship to get over the.
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  Speaker 1: Hump down there?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was it was destiny, man, it really was.
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  Speaker 4: And it was.
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  Speaker 17: And we had a little luck that day because it
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  Speaker 17: rained and everyone kind of forgets that too, because we
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  Speaker 17: had planned to do a lot of passing, but because
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  Speaker 17: of the rain, it you know, we told the receivers
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  Speaker 17: they were going to have to do a little bit
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  Speaker 17: of blocking. But it was, you know, it was I
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  Speaker 17: think it was two teams coming together, veteran teams, and
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  Speaker 17: which guys were going to be the toughest, and that
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  Speaker 17: day we were the toughest, especially being there in Miami,
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  Speaker 17: the Orange Bowl, the Jinks and all that stuff. There
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  Speaker 17: were so many things that were happening that we had
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  Speaker 17: an opportunity to put the bed.
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  Speaker 4: And it happened.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, we we were solid. We had some good
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  Speaker 17: football players out there on the field that they offensively, defensively,
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  Speaker 17: Guys that could run the ball, Guys that could catch
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  Speaker 17: the ball if we when we did throw it.
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  Speaker 4: But we uh we we we.
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  Speaker 17: You know, you're looking at Mossey Tatupu, You're looking at
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  Speaker 17: Craig James, You're looking at Tony Collins, you know. Defensively,
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  Speaker 17: you know, we were you know, Clayborne and and and
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  Speaker 17: Ronnie la Pet, the backers be Donnie Nelly, Lester Williams.
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  Speaker 17: Lester Williams was fired up that week because he was
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  Speaker 17: from that. We actually had four guys or three guys
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  Speaker 17: from the U that were on the team, Fred uh,
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  Speaker 17: Fred Marion, Ronnie Lapet, Lester Way. So they were fired
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  Speaker 17: up from that. So we had all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, what was it about the because you guys won
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  Speaker 8: what three road games right to get to the Super
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  Speaker 8: Running You're the first team to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what was it about that team?
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  Speaker 13: Then?
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  Speaker 8: You guys were able to win on the road like
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  Speaker 8: that get to the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 17: It was I'm gonna tell you it was. It was
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  Speaker 17: Comma Camma was good that year for us.
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  Speaker 4: It really was. It was.
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  Speaker 17: You know, we had lost to Miami that Monday night game.
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  Speaker 17: Ye forget when it was. And I remember and I
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  Speaker 17: tell story all the time because it kind of gave
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  Speaker 17: me chills to night because I'm sitting up there and
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  Speaker 17: I'm tripping.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like this dude talking about.
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  Speaker 17: But Coach Barrier pulled us all together and you know
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  Speaker 17: he was He stood around and he looked around at
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  Speaker 17: us and he says, look, man, I just want to
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  Speaker 17: say one thing to you. We've been delayed, but we
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  Speaker 17: will not be denied this year. And I want you
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  Speaker 17: all to think about this game because it's gonna come
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  Speaker 17: back to us. And I'm kind of kind of giving
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  Speaker 17: the side eye a little bit, and the hell was
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  Speaker 17: he talking about?
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  Speaker 4: But when it's all set and done, you know, we.
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  Speaker 17: We do the things, the little things that we were
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  Speaker 17: talking about from the beginning of training camp, and the
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 17: turnovers were big. Tackling was important, defense, stopping giving the
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  Speaker 17: ball back to the offense, and all of a sudden boom,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 17: we make the playoffs as a wild card team. We
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  Speaker 17: had battles with the Jets that year, and then we
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  Speaker 17: beat them at the Meadowlands, and then.
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  Speaker 4: We got to go to West Coast to play the Raiders.
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  Speaker 17: You know, you got the Sullivan's that are pissed off
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  Speaker 17: at the davis Is about things. The things are going
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  Speaker 17: on and we don't know about secretly, and then we
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  Speaker 17: go out there and we get into a great battle
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  Speaker 17: with those guys and we again, you know, we got
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  Speaker 17: a team full of tough guys because everybody's playing and
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  Speaker 17: then lo and behold, guys, we got a chance now
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  Speaker 17: to go back to Miami and here it goes.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you're thinking back to what.
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  Speaker 17: Raymond Berry said and we were like, wow, this dude
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 17: was kind of clairvoyant a little bit, you know, and
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 17: he had something going on there.
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  Speaker 4: But it was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then you hit the Bears and I know that's bad.
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  Speaker 1: But is there any now you look back, is there
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  Speaker 1: anything that the Patriots could have done in that game
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  Speaker 1: to make it a better game that they didn't do?
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe not starting Tonyson. No, I don't know, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but like, like, is there anything that like
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  Speaker 1: you go back. It's like, man, I wish we had
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  Speaker 1: just done.
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  Speaker 17: He the thing that I here all the time from
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  Speaker 17: all teammates, like we should have started. We should have
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  Speaker 17: started Grogan. Because it's funny what people remember now. I
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 17: don't remember anything other than the fact that we played
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  Speaker 17: the game and we lost, but everybody has so many
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 17: more vivid memories. And they were like, well, don't you
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  Speaker 17: remember Tony was sick all week, Grogan was playing, and
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  Speaker 17: Grogan was ready.
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  Speaker 4: We should have put Grogan out there. And I was like,
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  Speaker 4: so I.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that, but that was but you.
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  Speaker 17: Know, we because we didn't go against number ones. We
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 17: all were going against number too often, so we didn't.
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  Speaker 17: I mean, we were out there getting ready, We're doing
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 17: out there. But all of a sudden, he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 17: remember you know Tony was sick. I'm like, no, ship,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 17: we put him out there to start and he we
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 17: just set ourselves up.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: He wasn't in the game very long.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 17: But it's you know, and then you throw Grogan in there,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 17: you know, after you know, these guys are like, you
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 17: know they see blood in the water. Now on it's now, oh,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 17: now you're known throw Grogan in there, now, Yeah, you
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 17: should let him go in there from the beginning. But
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 17: that's the only thing that I mean, I've heard.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: From yeah team.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: The only thing I remember, and that was my senior
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: year in high school. And I tell this to you
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: guys all the time. I was Joe fin you know,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: I was all in, you know, like they're gonna do it,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: They're gonna do it.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Like you remember all the turnovers that you guys were
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: creating in the playoffs that year, I want to say,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: seventeen turnovers, you know, and then first player of the game,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: Walter Payton, Hall of Famer Walter Payton. We got the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: ball with the twenty hours.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I told you that, tell me it's gonna happen. And
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: then we had to kick a field goals three nothing.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: That's that's all, you know, Like Tip says, I don't
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: remember anything about it other than we played and we lost.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: That's all I remember. I wiped out the other fifty
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: eight minutes.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Well, we played them early in the year, Sodia Field.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: What do we lose?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: I thought, twenty one twenty seven?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: So he played there nothing.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Craig James ninety yeard touchdown.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 17: They had nothing like they were twenty I'm mean, they
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 17: were just a team. I mean, they were a team
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 17: that you know what, they got better turnovers, they held
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 17: onto the ball a little bit better than they did
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 17: some some things, and it went their way. So we
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 17: lost in sodier fields. So it was like, oh, that's
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 17: a football it's just a football team.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: But all of a sudden, you.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 17: Don't know about how they almost murdered guys on the Rams,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 17: murdered the quarterback in the running brock, and they were
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 17: just knocking people.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: They started knocking.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 17: People out, and it's just all of a sudden, they
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 17: just started turning up the heat.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: And so we're getting ready to play the Bears is like.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 17: Oh, yeah, we owed him anyway, you know, we this
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 17: is one of those those games. You know, they were
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 17: a little bit better than us, but we're much better now.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 17: And we had no idea turning up like that. Well,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 17: they turned up that forty six defense and all of
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 17: a sudden, you know, our guys don't know who to stop,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 17: and yeah, well yeah, you started looking at some guys
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 17: out there that are kind of throwing lookout blocks too,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 17: and they're like, what the hell is going on here?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 17: And you know, you take that, you take your head off.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 17: I tell people all the time I go to I
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 17: fly out to Chicago to see my oldest daughter. Man,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 17: I get shell shocked every time I go through the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 17: airport because I think people are looking at me and laughing.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 17: You know, he was on the Patriots. His ass we kicked.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: So getting back to the uniforms, the old logo pat Patriot?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Did you like that logo?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 17: Love that you love love that logo? You love that
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 17: log Yes, sir, it was uh. I never you know,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 17: it's funny. I had never seen the logo as a kid.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 17: I knew growing up Jets, Giants, Cowboys, stealers, the Rams.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: Really who I really paid any attention to.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 17: And all of a sudden I get drafted by the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 17: Patriots and I'm like, hell, what did the uniform look like?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 17: But when I get here and I'm like, oh, that's cool,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 17: that's pat Patriot.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: You liked it.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: I see, I never liked it.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: I never liked helmet.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: I never liked it.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: I did call the guy John Hanna. I said it
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: look like John Hannah.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you got to Foxboro State, Well back then,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was Sullivan's No, it was when you
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: got what did you think of the stadium when you
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: got here? That's not Iowa? I who was it?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 17: One of my teammates said, holy cow, my college Yeah better, Oh.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, suited play than here.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I probably played my better high school.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: I was going to say that some guys had better
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: high school stadiums.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 17: Again, I was like, all right, this is what we
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 17: got to play, and I'm just gonna suit up and play.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: And I was like, wow, this is different.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is different.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 17: I mean Connects Stadium was like, you know, we got
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 17: sixty thousand people up in there in the place, but
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 17: it was a stadium.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: I mean back then there were a lot of dumps,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: but this was one of them. You know, it was
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: our john Yeah, but it was all dump, absolutely true.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Do you have to you have to play early at
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: Shay Stadium before they moved to the Middlelands, Right?
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: I did that dump? That was that was That was
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: an eyesore. That was bad.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 17: I played my rookie year there, my rookie year, maybe
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 17: my second year there.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: And you probably played in War Memorial Stadium in Baltimore.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: That was yep, yep.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: So I remember that that's another one. That's good one.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: Fred. Yeah.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean even I had a lower my head going
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: in through the dugout to the locker room because the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: pipes were.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 17: Oh my god, I thought the some of those I
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 17: thought rats were up there.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm sure they were. Yeah.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: So anyway, it's great. We just thought we'd bring in.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: It is throwback week. They're going to be wearing their reds.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, I know what a lot of people
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: think of Patriots in red jerseys. It's Andre Tippett, It's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: John Hannah and maybe Steve Grogan. I think those are
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: the three right, without question. That's me.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 8: I was ten years old in eighty six and living
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 8: around here. That was that was the Patriots.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's a great uniform, and I'm, like I said,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 17: I'm so glad that we are bringing.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: It's more posible Rod show.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: That should be.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 17: It's should be awesome to see just to see that,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 17: and I'm sure the players are gonna love having pictures
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 17: and photos of it.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the old that's a big thing now.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean you probably see it these arrival
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: photos with these guys, and they i mean, they get
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: mad at us if they don't get their photo taken.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a whole new thing, you know, it's unbelievable.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break. Thanks Andre, Thank you.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: Guys can get back upstairs. We'll be right back after this.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Back here and Patriots Unfiltered. Thank you to
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: Andre Tippet for coming back. And I know, uh he
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: used some salty language, but when you're with Andre Tippett,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: you don't tell him what to say, So if he
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: wants to drop some some words, go for it. But
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: good stories, that's good stuff. Evan's back and where is
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: he back from e.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: Then has returned, and has returned, has returned.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: The All right, Evan, what do we got?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: Well, I have to say, going from Andre Tippett to
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: the gringe over here is a pretty big change. God
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: it that stretching period was horrible, and that stretching period
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: did not have Trent Brown present with the Patriots. The
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: rest of the rest of the team was there, present
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: and accounted for, including Ian Book sporting a Matt Corral nineteen.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: So they're just passing the nineteen Jersey round. But yeah,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: no Trent Brown. Obviously, I don't want to speculate too much,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: but I would say maybe veteran rest right like each Wednesday,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I could see that, But we'll get the
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: injury report at the end of the day and we'll see.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: But Juju out there, the two guards out there, stranger
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: on when you out there, Parker out there? You know,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: so everybody's practicing.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Did you get eyes on, Juju?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: I did?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: How did you think you looked?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: It was just stretching. So I'm not going to take
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: too much away from.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Not even what I saw going back and forth any
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: because when you left I sort of fixated on Bill's
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: answer to that question this morning, Well, was you know
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: the injury report book. I thought there was a chance
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: that maybe wouldn't see him at practice and he was
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: gonna go on i R which some people speculated about
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: yesterday on the radio, but probably a good sign that
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: he was out there anyway with the irs probably off
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: the table immediately.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, So we were in the bubble. In
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: the bubble, no same same media contingent.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Best grousing you guys would dry.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: There was, there was less rest grousing you drive over.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: But a funny moment, funny funny moment, so that we
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: we were in the in the front entrance of the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: Socio field house, and you know how if you guys
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: have been there, I'm sure there's there's glass windows right
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 5: so you can see into the bubble from the parking lot.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: And we were told to face the other direction.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: So that I don't want that face looking at those dice.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: Face the direction so you could so you couldn't see
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: the walk through, So our back was to the players.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: I think that's specifically for you.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: That's out of respect. Anybody's looking in the mir.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: There, I am standing underneath the thankfully it was underneath
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: I wasn't getting rained on looking at bass pro and
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: uh and not looking at what was going on on
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: the field, So that that was a good moment.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 8: That's funny with someone like monitoring you making sure no
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 8: one glimpsed.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: Aaron Hey who Aaron Ice front Ice front Ice front.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: It's fun It's embarrassing, but yeah, it was.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: It was quick.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: When you think of it that way, it is kind
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: of embarrassing, like turn you back on.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: Well because usually prison usually when we go out to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: practice at the in the in the bubble, we park
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: in the in the closed parking lot and then wade
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: outside and then they let us in like a side door.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: But today I think because it was already raining, they
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: allowed us to stand underneath the question.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Is there an NFL rule that teams have to allow
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: the media at practice? Yes, yeah, there is, yeah, And
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: obviously there's no rule as to the duration.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: There is guidelines, like you know how certain days we
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: get a little bit more than stretching, we get that
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: opening like positional drill period there. It's it's like expected
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: or like asked, very nicely worded, but very strongly, what are.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: We doing here with this with this pract because you
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: can't see anything. I mean, really, it's only a time
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: to take attendance, so correct. So if the team just
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: tells us after practice, these are the guys that participated.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: What else do the media need to see at this point?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: There are sometimes, you know, when we get the extra time,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: obviously you can see there's are things that you can
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: take away from those positional drills, like who's participating in
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: them and all that kind of stuff. I would say
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: the only other thing that that you can kind of
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: glean is, you know, just certain things about like you know,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: Paul's question about juju, like how our guys moving, you know,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: does a guy have a brace now that he didn't
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: have before the game, or like you little things like that.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: So do you think that's the reason why the league
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: says you have to allow the media practice for that reason?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: No, I think the main reason why the media pushes
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: for practice.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not saying that the media should
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: push for everything they can get. I'm saying, why does
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: the league, yeah, make them?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: I think the main thing that we've always heard is
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: that the idea of letting us in practice is to
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: publicize the team to literally.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: From the team, you guys cover the team to have
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: as much information.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: To publicize the team, and so for a lot of
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: media pictures video of practice, like you know you talk
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: about like the new Channel five and the news stations
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: and things like that, they use that as b roll
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: for their packages on the news. So if you're not
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: allowed to go out to practice at all, then you
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: are are you know, recycling old b roll or have
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: no b roll or whatever.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Teams could supply it for, you know, pool reporters. I
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like the media. No, no, I
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: just there's nothing. I don't know. No, well, I wonder
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: what is meaningful watch practice? You can make evaluations, But
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: then once the season starts, I get where teams they
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: don't want the media see why we're prepared.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: Do you think the media wants them to see training
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: camp any more than anything else? Well, I think it
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: is what it is if.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, the media should want to see everything that
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: they were right, they can see, right, But I can
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: understand the team saying we're not going to let you
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: watch our practice. Well, what's it like in other teams?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I have. Some teams are open, some teams
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: like all practice.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know anymore, that's the way, that's the way it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: Was usually, Like I know, like in Cincinnati, they sometimes
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: get access until eleven on eleven, like team drills start,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: and so maybe that's like the first fifteen to twenty
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: minutes instead.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: It's definitely changed over the years too, because I know
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: there were some that were open. But like even like
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: last week, as an example of what Evan's talking about,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: based on a lot of people, Evan included that told
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: me that cold Strange looks like a guy who one
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: day looked like he did more than another day because
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: it looked like he couldn't do it back to back days,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: the same sort of getting out of his stance and
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: the explosiveness. There was a chance that he wasn't going
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: to play.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly DeVante Parker last.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Week, everybody was in agreement. Yeah, he didn't look great.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: Parker did basically did nothing other than stretch in front
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: of us. So those are the little things. I mean,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't really like I'm not a big
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: practice guy either, Like it's not like something that I
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: find like super important to cover. But obviously there is
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: access to it, so we we take the actions you.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Have to take what they give you.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I agree with the larger point Freddie about
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: like how valuable is it?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: You know whatever.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: So media was okay, no, no, no croud other than
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: having to know, you know, coming today. So that's and
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: the release they made a point to say Chick fil
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: A snacks. So I'm wondering.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: Leftover dipping sausage, wondering why the sauces left over camp,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: why did distinction between just as.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: There were no sandwiches, but there was a nine thousand packages.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: I was excited because I.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: Went, you know, they're doing the early media availabilities, and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: so I went to the press conferences last week and
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 8: they had some some left over.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: They still had some extra sandwiches.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I would say that I did the main grousing.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: If we if we really want to get into grousing,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: the schedule with the podium set up and everything like
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: that is causing some issues.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: I would say, doing the podiums before practice.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: And I don't actually the podiums before practice. I don't
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: think our main concern is the podiums in between practice
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: and open locker room because a lot of us, myself included,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: usually used that time to write and do things that
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: we have there do later in the week, and so
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: now it's like every couple every hour, it feels like
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: you have something.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Else to Why they did it that way this year.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: Because of the new location of the media workroom.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Which is an issue that needs to probably be addressed wherever.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 8: And the new media workroom is going to be because
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: you can't get to the locker room from there, it's
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: going to always be escort.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure once they do a permanent location it'll Yeah, you.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Know, but to that point, and I actually agree with
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: the grousing for a change.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Do you need to do both?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: No, Like, just do one set of podiums. I don't
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: care if it's if it's after Bill or if it's.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: After Bill is fine because you're already there.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's prightect. And then you've got some time to
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: write while they're a practice.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you get a chance to go get something
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: to eat. I can sit down and write, and now
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: I go to the locker room and finish up. Yeah,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: you know. This way, it's like what you described. If
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: you're like you're always doing something, Let's face it, the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: vast majority of podiums you don't need to be at
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: but you got to go if they're going to do it,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: you know, like you can't just say, well, I'm going
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: to go and get something to eat and then you know,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: David Andrews was talking or whatever.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I know that nobody cares about any of that,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: and no one.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Should know.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that that that gap between practice at one
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: and then open locker room at fourth. You can get
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: a lot done in that gap if you're just sitting
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: down there with your headphones on and writing. So I understand,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: I understand the open locker.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Room that late is that that's a trend that started
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: probably I don't know, five or ten years ago, and
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: it's been a bad one for the media.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 8: It's really changed even in my time there. I mean,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 8: the Monday one was an absolute dud.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Well, like I I've always, you know, been a proponent
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: of no one should go into the locker room period
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: except for players, except for the team. I'm with you
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: on that, and then they should mandate a room outside
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: the locker room that players have to go in to
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: be interviewed. But I believe that the locker room should
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: be a sacred place. It should be a safe space
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: for the players.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Can change I'm talking about the time. Yeah, not your
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: place yet, Like I don't care if it's locker room
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: or well, I agree with you. I don't think we
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: should be in the locker room joby. You and I
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: have always been lockstep on that. Yeah, but it's the
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: fact that it's like five o'clock or four forty five
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: whatever it is now they.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Do they do it on their way home. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: it's just not it's not really scrums anymore.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 8: You know, it's more about like people do, like what
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 8: Evan does, you know, talk to players, get you know,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 8: stories that maybe even you're not writing, you're just kind
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 8: of getting some behind the scenes kind of you know,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: off the record kind of stuff. And you know, there
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 8: are a couple of little scrums of you know, just
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 8: news stations getting an interview or two. Nothing crazy. But
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 8: it's it's not like they.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: Don't even have scrums anymore.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: Apparently it's not tailored or TV anymore. It's tailored more
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: for the individual writer that has a certain story they're
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: working on, makes a request, Hey can I get a
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: one on one with Hunter Henry?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Sure during open cockerage, and so they set it up
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: that way. It's it's it's still works for that, but
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: if you're just a camera guy shooting for the six
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: o'clock news, it can be tough.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: I mean, especially for that Monday one where it was,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 8: you know, the end of the day, Monday, nothing going
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: on here, those you know, those those all those news
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: stations that came down with.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: Today would be different. Wednesday and Friday.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 8: Friday can be good to just because everybody's a little
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 8: more relaxed than the definitely relaxed day.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: I would. I understand, like why you feel that there
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: shouldn't be media and open locker room, but that's like
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: my favorite part of the day because I I just
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: like as Mike, I just bounce around, right like I
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: just go to play. You know, different players that are.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: He's saying I shouldn't have access to all those players.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: They should be they should have come to another room, right.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: But if they so, then what I would I would
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: request them and they because like no, no, no.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: They they have to go to this other area.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Wanted to get home, they got to go through this
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: room and they have to stay there.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: So it so for you, it's just the physical being
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: and the I understand.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just having a where they can change. Like when
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: you you know, when you have a party at your house,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: usually the bedrooms off lands. It's in a while, their
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: way in there, you walk in on them.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: Where old are you going?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: In college? It happens at all ages, Paul, believe me?
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: Are you serious? Oh yeah, are you kidding me? I
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: would be.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: I would be quite offended if I opened the door
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: to my bedroom, you know, having company, and they.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Would it's a couple in my bedroom. I would not
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: be happy with it. But anyway, you know, you get
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: my points. It's the bedroom, like that's what we don't go.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: That was like, I mean even I won't say names,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: but there was a scrum around a certain player and
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: then another player came out of the shower. Offensive lineman
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 8: wrapped in a towel that's probably the size of most
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: of our handtown. He couldn't get because the scrum is
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 8: going on his locker, right next to his locker, so
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: he couldn't get there. So he's just standing there, hold hold,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: like pinching the towel off that's barely covering, like you know,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: it's his whole hip is shown out.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: But it's that kind of stuff where you're like, you know,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: the guys are here to change and the gill and
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: they're going to meetings. It's an interstitial place, you know.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: It's not like they're just sitting in there, you know.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: I just it's I totally could not agree more. And
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: I think that the dynamic of it for meat is awkward,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: Like it's it's awkward for you to be in there
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: as much as it is probably for them.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 8: And imagine being a female like I, you know, I'm like,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 8: I'm awkward enough, is it.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons I don't go in a
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: lot anymore, Like I don't have to be there, like
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: you guys are writing all the time, so you guys
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: still have to do it, but I don't. I've never
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: felt comfortable in there. I always agree with Fred on
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: that I think it's their space and they should have
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: an area where they don't have to worry about someone
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: seeing something that they shouldn't right, And I'm not even talking.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: About them not right stuff in their locker whatever, you know, well.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: Right, And that's that's another thing, like not to call
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: anybody out, but like if you're doing a one on
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: one on camera with somebody, like have them close their locker, like,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: don't like don't then I'm.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: Not supposed to film into a locker, but it's hard
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: if there's if you're filming them and they're standing with
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: their back to the locker, you're going to pick stuff.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: Up as much as I possibly, like if we're going
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: to do a scrumb with something like I if nobody
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: else like says hey, close, you're like I sometimes do because,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: like you, it's your personal stuff in there. And I'm
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: not saying there's anything like like terrible in there, but
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: there's just personal stuff in there. And like then sometimes things,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: you know, pictures or things like that get out that
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: this guy has this picture in his locker like Mac
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: last year with the Buffalo playoff game picture and like
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: you just you just don't need that guy has a.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Picture of his girlfriend on the other side of the one.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: With Yeahmara's good about that. She's she's like the locker police.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 8: If that there aren't lockers closed, she's going in and
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: close them. She's good out Alan and Texas says, well,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: she's just like closure. She makes sure she gets in
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: there and tells them to do it and.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: Locker room Mom. Alan says, thanks for the segment with
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: mister Tippett. I was in my teens when he played
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Like many other fans of New England,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: he was always one of my favorites. I remember hearing
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: for the first time back then that he was a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: black belt. He still is, like fifth degree. I remember
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: thinking that it was not surprising to me because he
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: was so tough. That was really a pleasure to listen.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: As far as the current state of the team, I
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: have hoped that we will improve as the year goes on.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: One positive that I have is that I think Mac
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: showed some maturity over last year.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that that was an encouraging sign.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: I thought his demeanor on the field was much better.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I thought his poise was much better in the
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: pocket too. I mean he took some hits. He took
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: some hits and he stood in there.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: By the way, we gave away three of the posters
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: and uh, there were trivia questions. The first question was
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: who was the holder for Super Bowl thirty six? Winner
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: was Travis in West Virginia. How many receiving yards did
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Dion Branch have in Super Bowl thirty nine? One hundred
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: and thirty three? That was Andrew and Louisiana. I would
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: have said, yeah, and who did mac Jones throw his
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: first touchdown pass to Nelson? That's correct, Mike, and say
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: what's that Andrew in La not Louisiana.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: I would.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: No, I get it.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: I would have gotten that one.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike and Salem, New Hampshire, Miami.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: Got that last one, Miami Week one.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Congratulations. If you didn't get a poster, you can buy
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: this week's poster on Patriots dot com. All supplies last Yeah,
• 1:53:12
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• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: of authenticity. Collect them all. Look great in your Patriots
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: man or woman cave.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: Wow, the show's gone by fast. That tip thing was fun.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: That's the most I've talked to him in my four
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 8: years here. But he's a he's a legend of my book.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, growing up that guy was was the Patriots me.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine him had they won a couple of
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 8: Oh, I mean, in my book, he's already like with
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 8: Lawrence Taylor, as great as he but like he like
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: he would.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: Be rationally he'd be recognized that way like the guys
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: and the Steelers and and the giants in the Dallas
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: you know, well, he named all those teams. Those are
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: the team Country. It's because everybody knew those.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: Guys, you know, yeah, but he was our It was like,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 8: you know, we have our own at least we have tip, Yeah,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 8: Tipping John Hannah.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: You know, get start about fifty six too.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 8: And you know it's always interesting some people like you always.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that one, and I make them tell
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: me those stupid stories all the time. But he never
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: told me that one.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Nothing to Paul knowing the score of his game. Brady's
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City on the A stick and houtline, what's up, Brady, Brady, Brady,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: forget you. Brady's going to drop your call, Brady.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: They so they're saying for the Brady thing on six
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 8: twelve that they're like, they want me to perform that
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 8: at center field.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: I would, and like sing.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: It, I would. They asked you that plined.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: That's a great idea.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be like a two or three
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: hour show talent show. So we're gonna need to kill
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: right right, you know, so I'll come out.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 8: Maybe we can get a maybe get some actual members
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 8: of Poison backing me up.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: You know, well, that would be different.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: That would be Why don't we just have yeah, why
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: don't you have Poison perform years?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: That and I'll that would be a different That would
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: be great.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the names of the guys
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: from Poison. I don't know, but yeah, we'll talk about it.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure I'll come together. Well, you get
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Matt to do a little wrap in the back of it,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: you know, all right, Well we'll get into the end
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: of that one. Yeah, but I just want to remind
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: right what hey, hey, hey Patriots, Paul, do you want
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: to host the perfect game day? Why not bring the
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: tailgate home with a stylish dining set. I would discount
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: furniture with expandable options dining and counter heights and tons
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: of styles to choose from. You'll score big when you
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: shop at Bob's, the official furniture store of the New
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: England Patriots.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: That would be awesome.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: So any final thoughts before we get to Thursday.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: I'm excited for picks. I'm curious how I did I
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 8: think he did? Okay, don't spoil it.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: One person should be really excited.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 8: Really, that's not me. Then it might be the guy
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: with the feel for the legal over there.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the feel's back. I'm feeling something. Yeah, what's
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: up coming up next?
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: John Rook in the playbook?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, I Rook at the playbook, the playbook, all right.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if Catch twenty two was Wednesday or
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's tomorrow, tomorrow, all right, So John
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Rook in the playbook coming up. As for us, we'll
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: see you tomorrow.
• 1:56:17
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