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What Can U.S. Soccer Learn From Spain? & Pochettino's USMNT Future · Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogert and Tab Ramos

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Speaker 1: That is not.
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Speaker 2: The takeaway from this World Cup is that, Okay, now
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Speaker 2: we need to train in a four to four to
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Speaker 2: three and everybody needs to be able to possess like Spain.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't try to be Spain. Be us and
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Speaker 1: be proud of us. What's going on?
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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome back to Inside American Soccer. I am USM
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Speaker 2: and T insider Tom Bogert. I'm joined by one of
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Speaker 2: the greatest players in USM and T history and my
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Speaker 2: friend tab Ramos tab The World Cup is over, Spain
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Speaker 2: or champions. They beat Argentina one zero in extra time
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Speaker 2: in a game that was completely controlled and dominated by Spain.
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Speaker 2: But Argentina at least stayed into the game until deep
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Speaker 2: in the stoppage time. But Spain are your world champions.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of their tournament and of the
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Speaker 2: final itself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to get up. It was hard to
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Speaker 3: get up in the morning today knowing that the tournament
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Speaker 3: was over. I'm sure it's the same for a lot
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Speaker 3: of people. It really, you know, in general, I'm sure
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Speaker 3: we will discuss the tournament, but I think in general
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Speaker 3: we have to think that it was so positive, you know,
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Speaker 3: seeing soccer every day, you know, soccer having been as
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Speaker 3: important as it's been over the last month, and certainly
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Speaker 3: there's a little bit of withdrawal from this World Cup
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Speaker 3: and see in incredible games because the World Cup was
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Speaker 3: super competitive and I think that's really positive. And it
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Speaker 3: was competitive from beginning to end. Other than maybe one result,
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Speaker 3: every other game was competitive and that was great. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: the game yesterday, you know, obviously it was lopsided. You know,
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Speaker 3: how else could you describe, you know, the game. You
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Speaker 3: know Spain, you know, I think everyone knew what Spain
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Speaker 3: was going to do, which is what they always do
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Speaker 3: is keep the ball. You know, they have three great
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Speaker 3: players in the center of the field, which by the way,
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Speaker 3: they have six, but they played they can only play three.
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Speaker 3: They can only play three. And Spain has been going
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Speaker 3: in this direction since the early two thousands, So this
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Speaker 3: is this is not new. What Spain did yesterday is
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Speaker 3: not new to the world football. They have been doing
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Speaker 3: it all along and and they just displayed it in
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Speaker 3: its best form. Uh And they really did it for
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Speaker 3: the last two games, you know. And when you look
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Speaker 3: in particular at the game and you look at Argentina
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Speaker 3: starting lineup and you see you know that you know Argentina,
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Speaker 3: you know on the outside backs you have Taglafico on
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Speaker 3: one side, either Mantel or Molina on the other side.
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Speaker 3: You knew they would struggle, you know they I think
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Speaker 3: that just not at the at the level to be
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Speaker 3: you know, for Argentina to get to the final, and
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Speaker 3: they struggle to get to the final, by the way.
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Speaker 3: And and when you look at the midfield in particular, yes,
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Speaker 3: you know it's the same McAllister from you know, four
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Speaker 3: years ago, but not at the same level he was
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Speaker 3: four years ago. I think Enzo Fernandez was a little
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Speaker 3: was obviously quiet yesterday and now you have to match
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Speaker 3: him up and you have you know, you know, Argentina
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Speaker 3: went into a four to four to two really with
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Speaker 3: you know, knowing that Spain was going to be in
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Speaker 3: a four to three three with three guys in the
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Speaker 3: center of the field, we're going to control the ball,
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Speaker 3: so you know, Spain was always going to have a
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Speaker 3: numerical advantage in the center. And on top of it,
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Speaker 3: when you have a guy like Rodrie who never loses
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Speaker 3: the ball, you know it was it was gonna be
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Speaker 3: an uphill battle. And I know, you know that Julian
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Speaker 3: Alvarez stepped into midfield to help, and you know, when
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Speaker 3: he's not a midfielder, it just it just it was
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Speaker 3: never adding up anywhere, you know, because now you add
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Speaker 3: Cucarella on one side and Poro on the other side attacking,
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Speaker 3: and and Argentina just didn't have didn't have a solution
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Speaker 3: but just to stay back and wait. And when you
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Speaker 3: have Messi upfront all by himself, and you know, we
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Speaker 3: I think we've talked enough about Messi and and how
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Speaker 3: great he has been and how great he is, it's
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Speaker 3: just it's just was not enough. You know, he's too
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Speaker 3: far away from goal. This Argentina team didn't have the
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Speaker 3: transition that they had in twenty twenty two, and they
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Speaker 3: just posed no threat at all. I mean the you know,
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Speaker 3: I would just like for people to think a little
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Speaker 3: bit about what would have happened had we played Spain
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Speaker 3: and had we been out shot twenty to zero at
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Speaker 3: one point. I mean, the country would be up in arms.
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Speaker 3: I mean, not only would we want to change the
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Speaker 3: youth development, I think we would want to change everything.
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Speaker 3: We would want to change how many guys play on
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Speaker 3: the field. And you know, and this is why I
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Speaker 3: think we have to take our our Belgium loss, you know,
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Speaker 3: you know, with with a grain of salt, because because
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Speaker 3: this is this is what can happen sometimes when you
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Speaker 3: play great teams. And I think there's no question I
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Speaker 3: can keep talking about Spain, you know, eight hundred passes
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Speaker 3: to four hundred. I'm not sure where Argentina connected four
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Speaker 3: hundred passes. I never saw them. You know, I'm not
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Speaker 3: sure where they had thirty percent possession, but I guess
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Speaker 3: they did at some point, but it was just it
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Speaker 3: was very lopsided and one of the more difficult finals
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Speaker 3: to watch. Having said that, for me, it was precious
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Speaker 3: to watch the way the way Spain works the ball
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Speaker 3: to try to get opportunity. I thought it was really
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Speaker 3: great to see and it was great for soccer.
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Speaker 2: They are completely suffocating in the way they play, mostly
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Speaker 2: in possession, but how quickly they counterpress them when the
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Speaker 2: ball back. There's just never any space, there's never any respite.
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Speaker 2: You're always struggling, you're always drowning. Tab you said, I
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Speaker 2: don't know where they got that possession. I was about
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Speaker 2: to read off some of the numbers from the game,
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Speaker 2: and Spain had sixty five percent possession. If you told
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Speaker 2: me it was eighty five, I would have believed you. Like,
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Speaker 2: I'm like almost dubious, Like we can we recheck the
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Speaker 2: numbers there. Total shots was twenty to two and those
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Speaker 2: two shots came in extra time. Like like you said,
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Speaker 2: there's a point where Spain had throwing a no hitters
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Speaker 2: Argentina had no shots. They went down a man late
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Speaker 2: in the game Enzo Fernandez and stoppage time just about
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Speaker 2: the most obvious second yellow I think I've ever seen,
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Speaker 2: and he still tried to argue it and stay on
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Speaker 2: the field, look hoping for a vir intervention. I was
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Speaker 2: confused by that. Spain in this tournament over eight games,
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Speaker 2: conceded one goal else to Belgium, and I believe they're
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Speaker 2: like XG against was, you know, under three in eight games.
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Speaker 2: This is an incredibly like controlling tournament because you can't
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Speaker 2: quite call it like dominant in the way that we
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Speaker 2: might think of it. Because le Mignhamal never showed what
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Speaker 2: he what we know that he is and what he
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Speaker 2: can be. So there was not these like big pyrotechnic
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Speaker 2: wins and these crazy exciting moments, Like of course there
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Speaker 2: was exciting moments, but this was about control and about
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Speaker 2: suffocating the other team, and Spain did that, like dominant
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Speaker 2: in this final, like Argentina. If not for Emmy Martinez,
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Speaker 2: who was really really good, this game is three or
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Speaker 2: four nil. If Spain had if you took Fernando Torres
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Speaker 2: David Villa and just put them in one of those
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Speaker 2: two in this Spain team, they would they would have
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Speaker 2: we would have been talking about them like we talked
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Speaker 2: about France or in the tournament, like this team is
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Speaker 2: one of the best teams in recent memory and a
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Speaker 2: very deserving champion.
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Speaker 3: With that question, but I do agree that, you know,
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Speaker 3: although it was a great game, Spain lacked that superstar
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Speaker 3: factor in the game. Right, So like even when we
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Speaker 3: look at Spain twenty ten, you know, it was a
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Speaker 3: different team. I mean, I just feel like that twenty
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Speaker 3: ten team was just really a superstar in every position,
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Speaker 3: and this team was just more of a team. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: there's no question that Rodri was likely the best player
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Speaker 3: of the tournament. He was named that. There's no question
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Speaker 3: that Kubarsi could have been the best player in the tournament.
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Speaker 3: He was named I think the best young player, just
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Speaker 3: you know, deservingly, you know, because he was so great
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Speaker 3: but you could go one by one and you look
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Speaker 3: at all the Spanish players. I mean, Poro, I think
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Speaker 3: had a surprising tournament. I mean, he is a good player,
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Speaker 3: but we've seen him all year and he just didn't
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Speaker 3: look like he looked on this team. Right on the
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Speaker 3: other side, Kukarella always does what he did. You know,
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Speaker 3: he's a pest and he defends great, but he also
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Speaker 3: attacks and he's also made in the runs where he
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Speaker 3: doesn't get the ball, but he gets defenders occupied. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's just what what else do you say, you know,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Spain ends up you know being
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Speaker 3: uh the team of the tournament playing with a center
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Speaker 3: forward or Yarzabel, which we still think, ah, should he
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Speaker 3: be playing?
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Speaker 1: Should he not be playing?
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Speaker 3: But you know he's not a star, he's far from
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Speaker 3: a star, but he's the star of the you know,
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Speaker 3: world champion team. So I mean, it's it's it was
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Speaker 3: just a great team effort, because it's we could go
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Speaker 3: one by one and say how great each one of
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Speaker 3: their players are, you know, and uh, it just lacked that,
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Speaker 3: it lacked that the that wow factor that you know,
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Speaker 3: Yamal not having been in his best I think the
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Speaker 3: whole tournament. I think he would have been the one
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Speaker 3: that would have been that would have given as the
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Speaker 3: wow factor that we just didn't get with this Spain team.
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Speaker 2: You talk about all these players, like thinking about if
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Speaker 2: I had to put in a best eleven from this tournament,
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Speaker 2: like I kind of think the Spain back for what
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Speaker 2: I'll be it like it was like all of them,
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Speaker 2: like they were like to a person, and they fit
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Speaker 2: the style obviously so perfect. And maybe there's a bigger
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Speaker 2: conversation about like Spain has a national identity in the
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Speaker 2: way that they produce players and whether you're the left back,
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Speaker 2: the right winger, the goalkeeper, the center back of the striker,
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Speaker 2: you have to pass the ball like a centriment, like.
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Speaker 1: That's that's how they play.
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Speaker 2: And seeing that kind of plan come together if again
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Speaker 2: first in particularly twenty eight, twenty ten, twenty twelve, but
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Speaker 2: now again with a new era and a new players,
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up the twenty ten team. I
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Speaker 2: was gonna ask you if if you thought twenty ten
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Speaker 2: or twenty twenty twenty six Spain were better sounds like
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Speaker 2: you say twenty ten.
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Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I do. I mean, I just it's
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Speaker 3: it's hard to match Chavi and yes, you know, David Via,
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Speaker 3: I mean you go on, Ramos Puyol, right, Busquets was
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Speaker 3: in the middle, I think with and by the way,
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Speaker 3: I'm not looking at the lineup, but I think it
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Speaker 3: was Bousquts with Chavi and Yesta and then Vi top
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Speaker 3: and I don't remember it, but but got front of you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you ripped them all off. Well done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's I mean, it's just like, you know, no, obviously,
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Speaker 3: this Spain team was great. That's Spain team was great,
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Speaker 3: and they had superstars. And then they had the superstars
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Speaker 3: on the bench, right, Faber guys and you know and uh.
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Speaker 2: Fabricats and Fernando Tors with two of the players subdeed
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Speaker 2: in the final.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just it was just is too much?
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Speaker 3: Is too much that that team was incredible, but but
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Speaker 3: you know this team, you know, well, you know, now
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Speaker 3: we now we're looking at Spain having won you know,
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Speaker 3: two of the last what four or five? Right, So
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Speaker 3: so now so now we got to look at Spain
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Speaker 3: a little bit more. And by the way, you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously they they played good football and Guardiola took it
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Speaker 3: to England and changed England with the same type of football,
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Speaker 3: and so we've seen it for a while now. You
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Speaker 3: just need really good players to be able to do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why doesn't every team try to corominate possession
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Speaker 2: and pants like that?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Argentina here. So they were outclassed,
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Speaker 2: but they fought like hell like they always do. Again,
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Speaker 2: credit to Emmy Martinez. I thought he was Argentina's best
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Speaker 2: player on the day by far kept them in that game.
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Speaker 2: They did what they could, but they couldn't find any
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Speaker 2: moments of transition, like like France couldn't either, Like anybody
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Speaker 2: that this Spain team has played, Messi was too isolated.
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Speaker 1: As you say.
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Speaker 2: On the field. Listen back to back World Cup finals.
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Speaker 2: This will be a sour taste because of losing the final.
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Speaker 2: It's always gonna hurt. But what an awesome run like that.
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Speaker 2: That come back against England will never be forgotten. To
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Speaker 2: come back against Egypt, even the Cape Verde game that
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Speaker 2: went to extra time like this, This is a thirty
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Speaker 2: nine year old Lino Messi in just being incredible at
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Speaker 2: the World Cup and the fighting spirit from this team,
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Speaker 2: the fans, all of that Unfortunately, though, we saw the
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Speaker 2: nasty side of that kind of like fighting warrior mentality
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Speaker 2: and cross the line after the game, just genuinely embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: I think it was Molina threw a punch at somebody
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Speaker 2: from Spain who's celebrating partis got sent off. I think
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Speaker 2: he kicked, punched and choked like multiple different players. They're
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Speaker 2: just like looking for a fight and just acting like
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Speaker 2: total losers. If I want to, if I'm gonna be
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Speaker 2: just completely blunt about it, like that sucks and.
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Speaker 1: I just wish that that wasn't part of it.
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Speaker 2: And I get it, like you can't have everything right
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Speaker 2: If if we're praising this team for for how much
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Speaker 2: they fight, how much they hate to lose, how competitive,
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Speaker 2: all these other good things, well sometimes it's gonna spill
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Speaker 2: over into the wrong category. And that's what we saw
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Speaker 2: after the game and just sucks. And none of the
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Speaker 2: players went out and talked to the media. And I
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Speaker 2: don't want to sound like like a nerd where like, oh,
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Speaker 2: like they what they have to talk to, like who cares, right,
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Speaker 2: But like that's kind of indicative of all right, you
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Speaker 2: guys lost that nobody wants to to nobody wants to
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Speaker 2: shake anybody's hands. Nobody wants to go talk to the
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Speaker 2: media face of whatever, right, Like we all we were
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Speaker 2: just gonna go huddle in the locker room and leave,
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Speaker 2: right like, So that's gonna be a bit of a
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Speaker 2: sour taste for me, tad. Like, I don't know how
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Speaker 2: many of the videos you saw on the field, like
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Speaker 2: afters I don't I don't know if it was on
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Speaker 2: the broadcast or not, because I didn't catch it until
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Speaker 2: like later in the evening, and it just sucked.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And it's not just to be clear,
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Speaker 3: you know, let you know, let's separate what happened in
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Speaker 3: the game and what happened after the game, right, because
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Speaker 3: what happens in the game is Argentina playing hard and
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Speaker 3: playing to the edge of the rules. And people can
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Speaker 3: complain as much as they want, but there's a referee there, right,
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Speaker 3: So if you're gonna blame someone about Argentina playing too hard,
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Speaker 3: then you have to blame the referee, not the Argentinian players. Right,
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Speaker 3: They're gonna be at the limit of the rules. You're
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Speaker 3: gonna do whatever the rules allow you to do, right,
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Speaker 3: And so you know, you have a referee there. He's
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Speaker 3: walking to make the call if you if we want
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Speaker 3: to see a different game, then it's up to the
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Speaker 3: referees to change the game, right. You have to remember,
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Speaker 3: you know, if you if you're gonna watch Boca Juniors
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Speaker 3: playing Mules Old Boys or River m the same River play,
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Speaker 3: but you're gonna watch them play in Depondiente or San
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Speaker 3: Lorenzo or you're watching that game the same way that
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Speaker 3: Argentina played. That's how they know how to play. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, I'll go a little bit deeper, because
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Speaker 3: the way Argentina left the World Cup is the same
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Speaker 3: way that Paraguay left the World Cup. It's the same
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Speaker 3: way that Uruguay left the World Cup. You know, just
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Speaker 3: kind of throwing punches out after the game. And you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm okay with players playing hard during the game, because,
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Speaker 3: like I said, the referee can control that. It's just
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Speaker 3: the after the game where I think South America is
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Speaker 3: still behind and needs to improve because and this is
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Speaker 3: the reason why you know, games in South America are
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Speaker 3: are are so difficult, and why so many families don't
14:43
Speaker 3: want to go to games because you know, obviously you
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Speaker 3: know it's not of course, no one wants to lose,
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Speaker 3: but teams don't know, they don't know how to lose.
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Speaker 3: And and unfortunately in games, one team wins and one
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Speaker 3: team loses usually and and you have to deal with that.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that part of the Argentina, the way they
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Speaker 3: left is definitely leaves a bad taste. But I don't
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Speaker 3: want to take away from the fact that although they
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Speaker 3: were severely outplayed and didn't likely belong in the final,
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Speaker 3: there could have been other teams that could have made
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Speaker 3: it to the final. I want to give them credit
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Speaker 3: because they played hard. They played as hard as they
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Speaker 3: can play and as far as the rules would allow it.
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Speaker 3: And and that's Argentina for you. And that's two World
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Speaker 3: Cup finals in a row. That doesn't happen by chance.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, Messi played in three World Cup
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Speaker 3: finals and that doesn't happen by chance. So a lot
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Speaker 3: of credit to Argentina for what they did. They just
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Speaker 3: found a team that was far, far superior to they were.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. I think the right team won
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Speaker 1: this on the day.
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Speaker 2: And also for the tournament that that Cape Verdet game
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Speaker 2: really threw us off their sense earlier in the in
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Speaker 2: the tournament, and we were worried about the attacking firepower,
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Speaker 2: can this team be special? And well, you didn't need it,
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Speaker 2: they needed to control the games like they did and
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Speaker 2: deserving champions.
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Speaker 1: A little bit more about the tournament as a whole.
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Speaker 2: What what was was some of your takeaways from this
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Speaker 2: World Cup in North America. From some of the incredible,
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Speaker 2: incredible scenes in Mexico City in Toronto with Canada and
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Speaker 2: Mexico co hosting as well to halftime show hydration breaks,
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Speaker 2: the crazy ticket prices, but the good de bandoned, the
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Speaker 2: indifferent time.
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Speaker 3: Oh so much good. I mean, I don't know, I
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Speaker 3: mean the bad. We can start with the badges, so
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Speaker 3: we can end with the good. But the bad. Although
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Speaker 3: the stadiums were full, obviously, you know, we wish that
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Speaker 3: it could have been more for the fans and the
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Speaker 3: tickets would have been cheaper, you know, because who knows
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Speaker 3: how many people are in debt after this worke up,
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Speaker 3: So you know that part of it is tough. It's
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Speaker 3: tough to deal with, you know, the whole visa situation
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Speaker 3: with some of the countries. You know, you wish that
16:48
Speaker 3: could have been different and more people could have come
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Speaker 3: from those countries. You know, that's all the bad but
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Speaker 3: then the good is all of the rest of it.
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Speaker 3: You know. I got to live it out of Philadelphia,
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Speaker 3: and I can tell you, you know, I walk down, you know,
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Speaker 3: to you know, where the statue is and watch, you know,
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Speaker 3: the Ecuador the Ecuador fans singing with Ivory Coast fans
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Speaker 3: and you know, and the Croatia fans doing the same,
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Speaker 3: and like all the fans coming together, and I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, in terms of culture, I think I think
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Speaker 3: this World Cup did a lot in terms of what
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Speaker 3: people think of soccer fans. I forget the soccer part
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Speaker 3: on the field, just in general, I think, and let's
17:28
Speaker 3: let's talk about the regular American fan that doesn't really
17:31
Speaker 3: recognize the game that much. I think their perception was
17:34
Speaker 3: maybe that the fans were gonna all fight each other
17:36
Speaker 3: and this is gonna be a war. And I think
17:38
Speaker 3: if anything, they saw that, you know, fans they come
17:42
Speaker 3: to celebrate, you know, because what happened in the US
17:45
Speaker 3: was no different than what happened in Moscow in twenty eighteen,
17:47
Speaker 3: when the Peru fans and the Mexico fans and they're
17:50
Speaker 3: all coming together in the middle of Moscow. This was
17:53
Speaker 3: sort of the same, you know, like fans came together,
17:55
Speaker 3: sang together. Of course, you usually have one or two
17:59
Speaker 3: problems of you know, people who drink too much, but
18:02
Speaker 3: it's not the norm. And I think that was really positive.
18:05
Speaker 3: And then we got to talk about the football side,
18:08
Speaker 3: right how you know, and I mentioned on the last
18:10
Speaker 3: show how somehow Norway became America's team, and you know,
18:14
Speaker 3: you know, Earling Holland became like an American superstar, which
18:17
Speaker 3: I'm by the way, we're going to start seeing in
18:19
Speaker 3: commercials in the US because he did. He left here
18:22
Speaker 3: being a superstar and and by the way, he I'm sorry,
18:27
Speaker 3: but he came here as a superstar, but he left
18:30
Speaker 3: being like an American superstar that people will recognize, and
18:33
Speaker 3: that's I think that's huge for soccer. I think we
18:37
Speaker 3: can't forget Messi's World Cup because it was incredible. We
18:40
Speaker 3: have to. We can't not mention that thirty nine years
18:43
Speaker 3: old and at times, you know, most of the times
18:47
Speaker 3: when they need him, he carried his team. That's huge.
18:50
Speaker 3: You know, great games amongst great teams, you know, I
18:53
Speaker 3: keep mentioned in Ivory Coast how great they were. I
18:56
Speaker 3: mentioned in general how great Africa did. I will say
18:59
Speaker 3: in general that Conca cap represented itself well. And you know,
19:04
Speaker 3: and this is where we go into the host and
19:06
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I'm making this too long, but but you know,
19:11
Speaker 3: Canada did well. Canada played really well. They represented themselves well.
19:16
Speaker 3: They took another step in the World Cup towards respectability,
19:19
Speaker 3: towards competitiveness. I think, you know, if I'm not sure
19:23
Speaker 3: we can say Canada has arrived. But Canada's right there.
19:26
Speaker 3: You know. Of course, they're a little bit behind us
19:29
Speaker 3: in terms of maybe I would say maybe two decades
19:32
Speaker 3: behind us, but they but they they're right there. I
19:35
Speaker 3: think they're they're a competitive team. I think Jesse Marsh
19:37
Speaker 3: did a great job, like them or not, did a
19:39
Speaker 3: great job with his team, made him competitive. And I
19:42
Speaker 3: give Canada an excellent passing grade for what they did
19:46
Speaker 3: in this World Cup. Then you look at Mexico, and
19:49
Speaker 3: Mexico sort of did the same. I mean, you know,
19:51
Speaker 3: in general, you look at their results and you'd have
19:54
Speaker 3: to say, okay, as far as results, Mexico gets to
19:56
Speaker 3: see they were playing at home. They couldn't meet England,
19:59
Speaker 3: which by it is a team that we tied in
20:01
Speaker 3: previous World Cups, you know, and they couldn't beat England
20:04
Speaker 3: at home, but they left, you know fighting. I thought
20:09
Speaker 3: the World Cup was great for them and it was
20:10
Speaker 3: great for the World Cup that both of those teams
20:13
Speaker 3: did well. And then we look at the US team
20:15
Speaker 3: and I think the US team showed us a different
20:18
Speaker 3: level of play. You know, when the US team played
20:20
Speaker 3: against Paraguay, we were all impressed with, Hey, we've seen
20:24
Speaker 3: something that we haven't seen before out of whether it
20:27
Speaker 3: was out of the midfield, whether it was out of
20:28
Speaker 3: the whole team, whether it was the excitement of starting
20:31
Speaker 3: the World Cup, you know it was it was something
20:33
Speaker 3: we had not really seen before, and I think that's
20:36
Speaker 3: really really positive. World Cup ended in a little bit
20:39
Speaker 3: of a sour note with the game against Belgium, but
20:41
Speaker 3: as we can see from the game against Argentina, you
20:44
Speaker 3: play a better team and sometimes you're going to suffer,
20:46
Speaker 3: and we suffered big time. Overall, I think it was
20:49
Speaker 3: an amazing World Cup and I'm really sad that it's
20:53
Speaker 3: Monday and it's over and I got to wait four
20:55
Speaker 3: more years for something like this to happen again.
20:58
Speaker 2: I agree, and I like where you stay art with
21:00
Speaker 2: the fans, the culture, all those beautiful scenes, Like I
21:03
Speaker 2: think about the South Korean fans in Mexico, and and
21:06
Speaker 2: just like kind of the bond between the South Korean
21:08
Speaker 2: fans and the Mexican fans, like the videos that come
21:10
Speaker 2: out of that, or the Brazilians or Argentines like taking
21:13
Speaker 2: over Times Square.
21:15
Speaker 1: It's just all of it was so so cool on
21:17
Speaker 1: the field.
21:18
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think about some of those Mexico games,
21:20
Speaker 2: the way that they played in that group stage, the
21:22
Speaker 2: way they fought like hell against England. That was one
21:24
Speaker 2: of my favorite games at the tournament. Think what Dr
21:27
Speaker 2: Congo did? You thought for a minute they were going
21:29
Speaker 2: to eliminate England. This was a super fun tournament where
21:34
Speaker 2: Cape Verde took Argentina at the extra time, They drew
21:37
Speaker 2: Spain the two finals of this tournament. They didn't lose
21:40
Speaker 2: in ninety minutes to either one of them. Currous out
21:43
Speaker 2: represented themselves well it was. It was a fantastic tournament.
21:48
Speaker 2: And to your points, have I for the last six
21:51
Speaker 2: weeks make a point to go to foot mob every
21:54
Speaker 2: day to either double check times or remind yourself what
21:57
Speaker 2: that game's run. And right before we started, I for
21:59
Speaker 2: some reason went to foot mob and it's like, well,
22:01
Speaker 2: the only thing that comes up today is there's a
22:03
Speaker 2: European friendly between Sporting and Shroudsburg. So we're we're waiting
22:08
Speaker 2: impatiently for the European leagues to start. I hope the
22:10
Speaker 2: players from Spain and Argentina in particular, but England and France.
22:14
Speaker 2: By the way, the third place game we haven't met.
22:16
Speaker 2: Six to four an insane game. I don't I don't
22:19
Speaker 2: know if I want to call that like an all
22:20
Speaker 2: star game, but like because they they cared, but they
22:24
Speaker 2: cared when they were in the final third and then
22:25
Speaker 2: it was like defensive transition. Eh, that was It was
22:30
Speaker 2: just a lot going on there. But listen, we're I'm
22:33
Speaker 2: gonna miss the twenty twenty six World Cup. We're gonna
22:35
Speaker 2: look back on it. I finally look back on it plenty.
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22:58
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Inside American Soccer. We touched on it
23:01
Speaker 2: a little bit in the opening segment of Tabat Is
23:04
Speaker 2: there anything to learn from Spain's dominance at this World
23:08
Speaker 2: Cup and whether it's a national identity, whether it's pad
23:11
Speaker 2: player pathway, whether it's it's youth development or is it
23:15
Speaker 2: hey Spain's over year and all the countries can try
23:18
Speaker 2: to do what they do, but they're not Spain.
23:21
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's just a it's a great question,
23:23
Speaker 3: and I think it's it's likely a much longer, much
23:27
Speaker 3: longer answer than the one I'm going to give you.
23:29
Speaker 3: But it takes time. It takes time. I think we
23:33
Speaker 3: have to give Spain credit because what's happened with Spain
23:36
Speaker 3: and what happened with Spain yesterday. It didn't start last week.
23:41
Speaker 3: It didn't start a month ago. It didn't start right
23:43
Speaker 3: before twenty ten World Cup. It started in the middle
23:45
Speaker 3: of nineteen nineties with Johann Krouf, you know, and the
23:49
Speaker 3: way he started to change the way Barcelona played, and
23:52
Speaker 3: that sort of became a thing. And then Lamasilla carried
23:55
Speaker 3: on the values that they were carrying with the first team,
23:58
Speaker 3: and then and then you go on and on and on.
24:01
Speaker 3: This is this has been This has been thirty years
24:04
Speaker 3: in the making for Spain. It didn't happen overnight. It's
24:08
Speaker 3: not it's not that they changed their system. It's not.
24:10
Speaker 3: I mean their coach came from there under twenty ones, right,
24:13
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same. They're basically playing the same
24:15
Speaker 3: He had the same players. And this is what happens
24:18
Speaker 3: when you stick to when you identify a way that
24:21
Speaker 3: you want to play. And I think when Spain realized
24:24
Speaker 3: that Johann Kroif in the mid nineties, when they decided
24:28
Speaker 3: to trust the fact that he cared about playing good football,
24:33
Speaker 3: they went all in on it, you know. And from
24:36
Speaker 3: there comes Guardiola as a coach, and comes now Fabrigas
24:39
Speaker 3: as a coach, and you know, many other coaches, but
24:42
Speaker 3: they've trusted the way they've done it, you know, And
24:45
Speaker 3: I think that's what is there to learn. I think
24:49
Speaker 3: what we can learn is that it's going to take time.
24:52
Speaker 3: You have to find your way that fits you, and
24:55
Speaker 3: then you have to wait for the market to start
24:57
Speaker 3: giving you the type of players that fit into the
24:59
Speaker 3: way you play, and that takes years and years. It
25:01
Speaker 3: doesn't take you know, it's not one coach that's going
25:04
Speaker 3: to change it. It's going to be it's going to
25:07
Speaker 3: be not only the coach, it's going to be a
25:09
Speaker 3: system it's going to be a way, there's going to
25:11
Speaker 3: be a trust, there has to be something. And this
25:15
Speaker 3: is for every country, by the way, I'm not talking
25:16
Speaker 3: about us, because every country has a different way of
25:19
Speaker 3: doing things. I'm sure because Argentina was out shot twenty
25:22
Speaker 3: to zero at one point in this game, actually for
25:24
Speaker 3: the full ninety they didn't take a shot, I'm sure
25:27
Speaker 3: they're not going back to Argentina right now to change
25:29
Speaker 3: their youth system. That's not what they're doing, right because
25:32
Speaker 3: this is where we always go right. But I think
25:36
Speaker 3: I think we at some point have to put you know,
25:40
Speaker 3: somebody in charge who we trust with what they want
25:42
Speaker 3: to do with football and give them time time to
25:45
Speaker 3: develop because I think this World Cup will have a
25:48
Speaker 3: great effect in our country for the next couple decades
25:51
Speaker 3: and hopefully we can take advantage of it. But Spain
25:53
Speaker 3: is a good example of being patient and sticking to
25:56
Speaker 3: what you want to do because you believe in it.
26:00
Speaker 2: It's those words you're talking about, the philosophy and and
26:04
Speaker 2: and the high level like strategy, those words that he said,
26:09
Speaker 2: being patient and wanting to do what you do like,
26:11
Speaker 2: that's how you could describe the way they play too,
26:13
Speaker 2: and like, so I think that is pretty poetic there. Listen,
26:17
Speaker 2: we don't have a Barcelona a cat like technically there
26:20
Speaker 2: is academy here, but here you know, by point there
26:22
Speaker 2: is no La Masia that is here. There is no
26:25
Speaker 2: the players of Real Madrid are producing as well, right
26:28
Speaker 2: Like from I think the biggest takeaway from me is is,
26:32
Speaker 2: like you said, tab the the top down, this is
26:35
Speaker 2: how we want to play. Of course, there's going to
26:38
Speaker 2: be different types of players, and particularly in this country,
26:40
Speaker 2: like we have so much, so much diversity in everything
26:45
Speaker 2: in in in first of all just nationalities and interest.
26:48
Speaker 2: But you know, body size is like physical strengths, technical strength,
26:52
Speaker 2: mental strengths. I I think that there's always gonna be
26:56
Speaker 2: room for different kinds of players. But but maybe the
26:59
Speaker 2: lesson with if there is one other than it's gonna
27:02
Speaker 2: take time is having like a hey, like, this is
27:06
Speaker 2: what these are kind of the players the style that
27:08
Speaker 2: we want to produce, and not every player is gonna
27:12
Speaker 2: fit that bold nor should every player fit that mode.
27:13
Speaker 2: You shouldn't try to make players be something that they're not.
27:16
Speaker 2: You should let them grow on their own. But in general,
27:19
Speaker 2: like the way that we would talk about like American
27:21
Speaker 2: goalkeepers For a long time.
27:23
Speaker 1: That was something that we were always producing.
27:25
Speaker 2: And whether that's big, strong center backs or tricky, dynamic
27:30
Speaker 2: wingers or technical central infiters, like I hope to see
27:35
Speaker 2: more like prototypical players because you look at the Spain
27:38
Speaker 2: team and it's like that.
27:40
Speaker 1: Obviously the midfield the first and foremost.
27:42
Speaker 2: When you think about a Spanish team, it's just like, oh, yeah,
27:43
Speaker 2: like those are those are Spanish style players. And what
27:47
Speaker 2: would you say about that's an American style player if
27:50
Speaker 2: we were talking about that right now, it taba.
27:51
Speaker 1: I don't.
27:52
Speaker 2: I don't think that we have one, And in some
27:55
Speaker 2: ways I think that that's beautiful because there's so many differences,
27:57
Speaker 2: but it would be nice to have maybe like hey,
28:01
Speaker 2: we're really good at developing a target man center felt
28:04
Speaker 2: or a pacing winner or a.
28:06
Speaker 3: Really great Yeah, you know, this question is right up
28:09
Speaker 3: my alley, really, because I think there are qualities of
28:12
Speaker 3: the American player that we we identify, you know, like
28:15
Speaker 3: for example, you know, and I've always said this, and
28:19
Speaker 3: you've heard me say this on this show, the American
28:22
Speaker 3: player is coachable. You know, that's number one. It starts
28:25
Speaker 3: with that, Uh, the American player is willing to run
28:28
Speaker 3: through a wall for the team. You know, they believe
28:30
Speaker 3: in the team. They'll do anything, they'll fight, you know,
28:33
Speaker 3: let's say to the death Right. They'll give you everything.
28:36
Speaker 3: And I know that from experience because I've I've had them.
28:40
Speaker 3: So I think there's within that, there's the beginning of
28:44
Speaker 3: what your culture can be. Right, We're always going to
28:46
Speaker 3: be a hard working team. We're always like, there's certain
28:49
Speaker 3: things that we do that we do really well, Like
28:51
Speaker 3: we high press really well. Right, these are these are
28:54
Speaker 3: identifiable traits that we can have with our teams. And
28:58
Speaker 3: within that, now you have to find players who fit
29:01
Speaker 3: into into that. Now, can you add maybe a more
29:05
Speaker 3: creative number ten to go with that? Like I because
29:08
Speaker 3: I don't think necessarily that now because Spain won the
29:11
Speaker 3: World Cup we need to go to you know, East
29:14
Speaker 3: East LA and find every little guy who can connect passes.
29:17
Speaker 3: I don't think it works that way. And by the way,
29:20
Speaker 3: I think there may be many players who can help
29:22
Speaker 3: the national team in East LA who can connect passes.
29:24
Speaker 3: I've been there, so but but what I'm saying is
29:28
Speaker 3: it all has to be within the culture of who
29:30
Speaker 3: we are, right, Because you get you can get a
29:32
Speaker 3: player from Michigan. I remember this from the U twenties, right.
29:35
Speaker 3: I can get a player from from Dallas, and I
29:38
Speaker 3: can get a player from New Jersey and one from
29:39
Speaker 3: LA and you have four completely different types of players, right,
29:43
Speaker 3: And I knew that within our culture, I needed a
29:46
Speaker 3: little bit of all of that. So I needed the
29:48
Speaker 3: creativeness and instability of a player from Dallas. I needed
29:53
Speaker 3: the crazy like creativeness of the of the player from
29:57
Speaker 3: southern California that you know, you don't know what he's
30:00
Speaker 3: going to do next. You need like the attitude of
30:02
Speaker 3: the sort of let's say New Jersey, but let's say
30:04
Speaker 3: more East Coast type player that's just hard and doesn't
30:08
Speaker 3: want to lose ever. And then you want the hard
30:10
Speaker 3: worker from Michigan in the Midwest. Like, so, how do
30:13
Speaker 3: you bring that together? Because you couldn't possibly just say
30:17
Speaker 3: in the US, Okay, we're going to play the way
30:20
Speaker 3: that fits all the southern California kids, or we're going
30:22
Speaker 3: to play the way you know the Midwest. You need
30:24
Speaker 3: to blend them together, and you can use all of
30:27
Speaker 3: those together. So I love this question, and I could
30:29
Speaker 3: actually I could talk about this for hours, but I
30:32
Speaker 3: think that's the beginning of who we are, and I
30:34
Speaker 3: think we've identified that. Do we have weaknesses? Yes, of
30:38
Speaker 3: course we're a country and I could tell you from
30:41
Speaker 3: the U twenties that I had we're a country that
30:43
Speaker 3: doesn't know how to defend well. Our players don't really
30:46
Speaker 3: still don't know how to take good angles. We're not
30:49
Speaker 3: good defending one v one, We're not good reading plays.
30:53
Speaker 3: We just think that to defend. If we're a center
30:55
Speaker 3: back in this country, we think that if I'm fast,
30:59
Speaker 3: I got everything covered, not realizing that you don't have
31:02
Speaker 3: to be fast to cover, you have to be able
31:04
Speaker 3: to read the game and cut angles. So there are
31:06
Speaker 3: things that we can improve through, you know, through the
31:10
Speaker 3: next few years where we don't have to necessarily use
31:14
Speaker 3: our athletic ability, let's say, to be the best in
31:17
Speaker 3: a certain position, because I think, if anything, if we're
31:20
Speaker 3: at faults at something, here is the fact that we
31:23
Speaker 3: just think that with athletic ability and be able to
31:27
Speaker 3: run fast or be tall or be strong, that with
31:30
Speaker 3: that we can solve every problem. And you can't. And
31:33
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of work to do. But I
31:35
Speaker 3: think there's a good solid base to start with.
31:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do firmly agree that the like style
31:43
Speaker 2: of players can be different. And I'll say it again,
31:46
Speaker 2: I think that that's good. The underlying the work rate,
31:50
Speaker 2: the coachability, the mentality like that I think needs to
31:54
Speaker 2: continue to be honed or continue to be recognized. Tab
31:57
Speaker 2: But like you said, and I appreciated that from your
32:00
Speaker 2: teams and talking to you so much on the show
32:03
Speaker 2: of you recognize that and harness it and using that
32:05
Speaker 2: as as the strength that it is for this country.
32:08
Speaker 2: So I hope that that we stick with that. I
32:10
Speaker 2: think that's something Resa Pochatino was very good at too,
32:13
Speaker 2: because he's He's Argentine and he was one hell of
32:16
Speaker 2: a center back in his playing day. He was a
32:18
Speaker 2: nasty competitive, all of the good traits that you talk
32:21
Speaker 2: about when when we talk about this Argentina team. So
32:24
Speaker 2: I think that he everybody I talked to is, you know,
32:28
Speaker 2: particularly early on what Pochatina wants to do in training,
32:31
Speaker 2: everything's a competition like that. You know, hey, we're gonna
32:34
Speaker 2: work on a possession drill here. It's where that's compete though,
32:37
Speaker 2: like everything has to be. I don't want to lose,
32:39
Speaker 2: I want to win, and I think that's something that
32:43
Speaker 2: we can be world class at and and for a
32:45
Speaker 2: lot of times we are I think of like the
32:47
Speaker 2: Land and Donovan Ara, the Clint MSI era, even in
32:50
Speaker 2: O two and stuff, right obviously the nineties with you
32:53
Speaker 2: guys when this program has been at its best historically,
32:58
Speaker 2: it starts with that and we're again there is nobody
33:02
Speaker 2: in the world that can play possession football like Spain.
33:05
Speaker 2: So not just the United States, not Canada or Mexico
33:08
Speaker 2: or Belgium or France. Right, that is their style.
33:11
Speaker 1: That is not.
33:12
Speaker 2: The takeaway from this World Cup is that, Okay, now
33:15
Speaker 2: we need to train in a four four to three
33:16
Speaker 2: and everybody needs to be able to possess like Spain. No, no, no,
33:18
Speaker 2: don't try to be Spain, be us and be proud
33:22
Speaker 2: of us. So those are I think the things that
33:25
Speaker 2: that can tangibly be moved forward. And I want to
33:29
Speaker 2: be clear, I don't think that this is a brand
33:31
Speaker 2: new idea. I think that a lot of people know this,
33:33
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people in youth soccer
33:34
Speaker 2: are doing this or trying to do this.
33:36
Speaker 1: But I just would just like to highlight it.
33:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we have good examples over the years,
33:43
Speaker 3: in particular after the twenty ten World Cup. How Lamasilla's
33:48
Speaker 3: way became so huge, like all over the world, right,
33:51
Speaker 3: they took it to Saudi Arabia, guitar everywhere else. But
33:55
Speaker 3: people only have so much patience for it, right. It
33:58
Speaker 3: lasts a little while and then they're like, Okay, well
34:00
Speaker 3: we lost games, now you got to go, you know,
34:02
Speaker 3: and so, And I think part of the reason is
34:05
Speaker 3: that you you know, sure, I'm sure Lamasia has a
34:08
Speaker 3: has a great I've been there, you know, has a
34:10
Speaker 3: great way to develop their players for the way they
34:13
Speaker 3: want to play. It doesn't fit anyone. I think, if anything,
34:16
Speaker 3: we can learn from it and adapt adapted to how
34:20
Speaker 3: we play, or countries can adapt it to how they play. Right.
34:24
Speaker 3: It doesn't just take Hey, let me hire four Spanish
34:27
Speaker 3: coaches who have worked at Lamasia before and let me
34:30
Speaker 3: change the way we play. It just doesn't work that way,
34:33
Speaker 3: and countries have tried it, so we have we have
34:35
Speaker 3: the sample of what's happened before, so listen, you know.
34:39
Speaker 3: In the end, I think there's a lot to learn
34:41
Speaker 3: from this Spain team. And if anything, I'm really happy
34:45
Speaker 3: that a team that plays good football won this World Cup,
34:48
Speaker 3: because that's what we want to see.
34:50
Speaker 1: I totally agree.
34:51
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Speaker 2: Back to the US Marisa, Pochettino will reportedly let US
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Speaker 2: Soccer know if he plans to return to coach the
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Speaker 2: team moving forward, tab, what do you think he's leaning
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Speaker 2: or where do you think that this ends?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think we've expressed our opinions here
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Speaker 3: and by the way, we always have to start with
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Speaker 3: the disclaimer that we think Manricio Pochettino is a great coach.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't have to prove anything to us, right,
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Speaker 3: He's done it, you know at the club level. Obviously
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Speaker 3: the national team is a different animal together. But I
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Speaker 3: think he's done it, So we'll start with that. I
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Speaker 3: haven't said that. I don't think there's anyone who believes
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Speaker 3: that he he will be here for four years. I
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Speaker 3: mean is he is he even willing to move to
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Speaker 3: Atlanta to live here or is he going to live
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Speaker 3: in Barcelona as he has? You know, this is you
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Speaker 3: know people, Yeah, you have to be in you know,
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Speaker 3: you have to be committed to the culture. You have
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Speaker 3: to be at the you know, at MLS games, at
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Speaker 3: academy games, and I'm sorry, maybe I'm not. People won't
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Speaker 3: agree with that, but I do believe that. Like you know,
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Speaker 3: Bob Bradley has said this before. You know, he moved
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Speaker 3: into Egypt to get to know their culture. And that's
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Speaker 3: what you have to do if I go and coach
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Speaker 3: the Philippines tomorrow. I got to move there and I
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Speaker 3: got to see what the league is like, and I
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Speaker 3: got to see how the players react and the mentality
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Speaker 3: of the players and who's coming up, who the young
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Speaker 3: guys are, who are the best clubs, and how how
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Speaker 3: do they play? So it has to be a full commitment.
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Speaker 3: I just don't think we'll get it there. So for me,
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Speaker 3: i'd be skeptical about him staying and and I hope
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Speaker 3: he doesn't.
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Speaker 2: I've gone back and forth on this of what and
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Speaker 2: I want to disclaim what my opinion is an educated opinion.
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Speaker 2: I'm not about to say anything with inside information. If
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Speaker 2: the decision is Marico Bochetino's, if there's not Premier the
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Speaker 2: job open right now, not if there's not a job
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Speaker 2: ball fer on the table from a club team. If
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Speaker 2: you're Marisa Postatino, and I can assume or sadly speculate
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Speaker 2: that he would return with either a buyout for clubs
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Speaker 2: that he wants to go to, or with an understanding of, Hey,
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Speaker 2: if that job, like a job that I want, comes up,
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Speaker 2: don't kind of hold me back if the if the
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Speaker 2: decision is up to Postatino, get it. He was on
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Speaker 2: six million dollars going to the World Cup. Baby, He'll
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Speaker 2: get a pay raise because that's how the world works.
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Speaker 2: And they did have a fine World Cup, particularly the
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Speaker 2: group stage. If you're Mari sup Pochatino, there's a lot
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Speaker 2: worse things than to get six or seven million dollars
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Speaker 2: a year and wait for Real Madrid, Defiro's in Reno,
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Speaker 2: wait for Brentford to come open, wait for insert whatever
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Speaker 2: team that he could be managing in Europe while getting
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Speaker 2: paid and while still being in like the public view
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Speaker 2: as the national team manager of the United States. If
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Speaker 2: the decision is in his court, probably do it right.
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Speaker 2: Like again, I've gone back and forth on whether I
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Speaker 2: think that he's going to stay or not.
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Speaker 1: But I guess we'll see you next week time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I The only thing we could do
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Speaker 3: is look at the two years that he's been with us,
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Speaker 3: and we were puzzled for the full two years as
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Speaker 3: to what he was doing.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: In the end, what we have to look back on
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Speaker 3: is we look back at the Paraguay game and say, hey,
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Speaker 3: the team was great there. That's a very very small
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Speaker 3: sample size for two years of work to look back
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Speaker 3: at maybe one or a game and a half and say,
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Speaker 3: you know, this is who we became because he was
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Speaker 3: the coach. So you know, again, great coach. You know,
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Speaker 3: has has proven it worldwide. I just think it would
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Speaker 3: be great for us to move in a new direction,
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Speaker 3: trusting somebody over the next four years who's committed to
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Speaker 3: the next four years to be here and maybe longer.
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Speaker 1: Well, whenever there is a decision, we'll break it all
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Speaker 1: down and analyze.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to talking about something that happens or
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen, rather than speculating what will or won't happen.
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Speaker 2: So Tab I'm looking forward to that the world comes over.
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