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15 - RIP Ted Turner, NOT RIP Gingerbread Man On The Go Home To BACKLASH... BACKLASH! · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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  Hello, welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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  podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Pete.
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  Evening. I'm Luke.
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  Luke, Are you ready to talk about the past week in
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  professional wrestling before diving into some sports
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  entertainment nostalgia? Super ready to go.
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  Home show on Raw wasn't it to backlash that we've got this
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  coming weekend? So it's always exciting when
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  it's the pay-per-view weekend. So yes, very excited for
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  Backlash. Backlash, backlash, backlash.
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  Which will you know if anyone hasn't seen it, that's Dan
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  houses dovey little pro more video for.
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  Backlash. It is indeed.
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  I'm very exciteful backlash. In fact, I think backlash it's
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  obviously this Saturday coming up, this is all go Home podcast.
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  Obviously the Raw we're going to talk about was the go home Raw.
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  Obviously the seller smack come to come at the end of the week
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  buying backlash was looking really good and we'll get into
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  that in a second. But before we get to backlash,
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  shall we do some housekeeping? Yep, always get a go and get the
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  ball rolling with the housekeeping.
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  So again, the best way to get involved in housekeeping is if
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  you're listening on Spotify, you can leave a comment on this
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  episode you're listening to. And what were those?
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  We will look at the comments and talk about them on the next
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  episode. We also do some poll.
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  Sometimes we need polls on the Spotify episodes, so we'll do
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  the poll first. So I left the poll saying will
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  Joe Hendry be successful on the WWE main roster?
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  Just two options. I kept it simple, yes and no,
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  and it was split down the middle.
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  Look, 50% of the votes said yes, 50% said no.
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  What's your thoughts on those poll results?
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  Yeah, I think that's probably fair.
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  I think our poll people get involved in our polls are
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  normally got their finger on the polls to be honest.
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  Like I say, I think we talked about it a bit last week where
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  it seemed like was the kind of angry put into the best use of
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  them should you've even been called up.
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  But I thought this week it was a little bit better.
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  I think getting them in there with kind of the Vision Rollins
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  now as well really and the Street Profits.
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  I think you know the guys that you can learn off, the guys
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  who've been on telly a long time.
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  And I think at the minute, it's starting to look more of a
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  positive for me. And I think if it can kind of
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  get this little feud under his belt and then move on to
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  something where it's just him on his own, I'm feeling a little
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  bit more confident about Joe Henry on the main roster.
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  I'm the same and I think my confidence actually comes from
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  obviously had already done the music video on Logan Paul.
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  I hadn't seen it yet and that that feels a bit of dreaded
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  first thing. You know what, I've already gone
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  to this well already, but then I've seen the music video and
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  I've seen the performance He did as well for fire Logan Paul.
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  I was actually spot on, really good production, nailed his
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  character, nailed his feel, kneeled, what he's doing, and
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  yeah, we'll see where it goes. I think he's in a, he's in a
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  good place now, position himself to move forward.
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  He's in there with some really good people and we will see
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  where it goes. Yeah.
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  And it's not just good people, isn't it?
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  It's like, if you want to look at it from like being just the
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  business side of it, he's in there with top guys, isn't he at
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  the minute? So yeah, there's a lot worse.
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  Kind of debuts and first things he could be doing.
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  So yeah, I think it's kind of still on the fence kind of
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  overall, but it's it's definitely a positive that he's
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  in there with those people. Definitely keeping it on Spotify
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  for the housekeeping. We've had a couple of comments.
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  So, Lou says off the back of WWE releases last week, would you
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  rather have kept A-Team like Mortar City?
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  Machine Guns oversee the likes of Fraxium?
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  I think you need to keep both of them.
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  I think I saw an image today on Instagram where it had Raw,
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  Smackdown and NXT and like the active tag teams that are on
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  there and on Smackdown now there's there's no one left.
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  Like you've got the they've got obviously priests in truth as
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  the Champions. And then they've got Miz and Kit
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  Wilson on there, which kind of, I don't think they've actually
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  had A tag team match yet. Maybe they have, but they were
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  on there. And then I think there's only
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  one of the tag team left. I think there's only, I think
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  there's only three active flag teams on.
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  It would have been Fraxium. Yeah, it would have been.
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  So I think they needed to keep both of them really, because I
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  think at the minute the tag team division is very, very minimal.
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  And I think we've talked about this before.
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  I'm a big fan of tag team wrestling when it's done right.
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  So maybe it's if you're looking for one positive on it, maybe it
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  opens the door for some new teams coming up, but there's
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  none really an NXT that are that exciting.
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  Looks like Dark State are on the way out of NXT that's getting
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  teased as a break up tank and Tank of Fun is almost mascot on
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  NXT, but I think that just drown on the main roster.
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  So yeah, I think the tag team division interesting one at the
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  minute because anything you look at, obviously you've had more
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  the MFTS released as well, haven't you?
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  So yeah, it's interesting. So I wouldn't have released
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  either of them to be honest. Yeah, I think, I think you're
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  absolutely right. The tagging division is very
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  depleted now there. I think when you've got
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  fractions like 2 single stars put together to do, we do we
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  sort of forced product. When I watch fractions, like
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  they don't really come across as like doing anything special.
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  I think mortar City, machine guns, they're obviously legends
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  in the tag community division. Like they know they could finish
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  each other's sentences or each other's sandwiches if you watch
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  Frozen. But yeah, I think I can see what
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  Lou was getting at. But I think you're right, I
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  think we do need more teams. I think it says a lot that take
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  your releasing teams and is it because maybe they're going to
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  put the tag titles back together a unification bout, so you only
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  need one set of tag teams. Yeah, I would prefer that.
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  I'd be honest, if you had them kind of travelling between
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  shows, you could even have it where like because it's so
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  depleted at the moment, you have them in NXT as well.
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  I know they've got their own tag team division, but yeah, I
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  wouldn't mind that. I think, yeah, unification, if
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  they're not going to bring up more teams, could definitely be
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  the way forward and. This comments from like 4 years
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  ago, so I think even since then we'll probably have more
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  releases from the likes of the New Day and stuff like that.
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  When when news commented that hadn't been announced yet.
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  Yeah, definitely. Obviously the New Day is a
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  massive 1. I mean, oh, like I said last
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  week, I think when we talked about the other releases, I kind
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  of think when any, whenever someone gets released, I suppose
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  it will probably be one of my negatives of the week,
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  especially if you kind of believe the stories that are
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  coming out. That's because TKO wanting to
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  kind of cut people's deals that are already in place.
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  But yeah, it's it's interesting. I mean, what what?
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  What's your thoughts on the New Day's release?
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  From what I can get, that looks like they obviously end the
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  negotiations with Takeo. They weren't unhappy with what
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  Takeo wanted to restructure them to.
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  So take you offered them out of their contracts.
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  So they've took that. I think the New Day can get work
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  anywhere they want. You know, they're very much, you
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  know, Maccodonas left the Indies a very fruitful place for
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  anybody to go to who's great. These guys are great.
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  They don't necessarily have to hit knees that could hit a door
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  that could hit TNA that could do both of those and their knees at
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  the same time. So that what Maccodonas did as
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  well. But yeah, I think the world's
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  their oyster, definitely. And I think they've already sort
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  of teasing, but obviously because of the whole game and
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  thing they've got going on, like do they go over there and soft,
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  you know, can you make us straight away?
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  Yeah, I think a lot of people have said that, but I think
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  that's a bit weak. But I think I'm going to AW
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  opens up the door straight away for like, you know, obviously
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  Young Books, FTR, Edge and Christian Private Party.
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  There's a whole host of kind of tag teams.
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  That's one of the ones where I think where AW often signed too
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  many people. I think if they're wanting to
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  stay as A tag team, it's an absolute no brainer for them to
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  go to AW. And I think it's definitely he's
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  lost. You know what I mean?
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  It's like the what? Like you got Kobe Kingston,
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  who's kind of on his own Hall of Fame career, New Day together as
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  A tag team. And I think that WE have dropped
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  the ball on them really. You know, they had that great
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  turn on Big E and then just did next to nothing with us to a
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  point where they've just almost become a relevant irrelevant,
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  which I think for once is just down a bad booking, isn't it?
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  Because, you know, if you give them the right thing, they get
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  over anywhere that they go. So I think it is a shame that
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  when you've got two people as good as that, that you haven't
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  been able to find anything for them to do really for nearly 18
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  months. So I think, yeah, I think it is
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  a good fresh start for them. And, you know, Kofi Hall of Fame
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  are on his own. And with Xavier Woods, his game
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  and stuff, you know, that's a toll a whole market on its own.
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  Like, they're going to be absolutely fine, aren't they?
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  I think so. I think wherever they go,
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  they'll strike gold. They'll have a bit more creative
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  freedom wherever they go as well, which I think that's not
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  certainly a good thing for everybody buying for these guys
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  who know their characters, they know the world, they know pop
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  culture, they know storytelling like the back of the hand.
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  Like they can, they can do some awesome stuff and they're going
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  to be free to do that. So obviously sad the government
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  debris, but I think I think they're going to turn this into
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  something big and I think they'll be back in debris and
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  give them a year doing something different somewhere else.
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  Take your come back and get them.
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  You watch this space. Yeah, definitely wouldn't be
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  that shocking at all. It's the type of 1 where you
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  could see them getting resigned in two months.
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  Do you know what I mean? Where like you have that bit of
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  a backlash and you have a bit of a thing on and you kind of bring
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  them back in that kind of miniature releases enough to
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  kind of give them a fresh start, you know what I mean?
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  So yeah, I think it's wouldn't be shotgun at all of the back in
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  two months or two years time at all.
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  I think the door will definitely be left massively wide open for
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  them too. Keeping things talking about the
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  releases. So Leanne comment on Spotify
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  with the releases last week. I don't get why they didn't give
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  Kyrie a bigger send off. They'd already been teasing
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  tension with Oscar and EO trying to get through to her, so there
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  was a clear story there. They could have paid it off, a
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  backlash, have Carrie finally snap and turn on Oscar, then
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  disappear straight after. It would have written her off in
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  a memorable way while also leaving the door open for a
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  return and a strong storyline to pick back up later.
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  Yeah, I think that was one of the ones where I think anything
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  like, as we've kind of said, we'll talk about this with the
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  Pat McAfee stuff. If you're going to tell a story,
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  you know, commit to it and follow it through.
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  And obviously Kyrie Sam was a big part of that.
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  Ask our storyline that's got LED in this match with the Old Sky
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  app Backlash. I mean, a couple of reports seem
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  to think that she might be involved in the match this
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  Sunday, so she might get that send off if you kind of read
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  into what you see online. So yeah, I hope that she does
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  because she's absolutely right. She she was a massive part of
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  it. She was really over like with
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  the crowd as well. So yeah, I hope that it is true
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  and we do see her in some form this Sunday.
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  I. Think it'll be great to see her
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  this Sunday. I think what's happened here is
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  that obviously take your just went and looks to speak the
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  wrestlers about like the Q release and who we not haven't
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  thought about where they were and what they're actually doing
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  on the card. I don't think, which is a shame.
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  Also had rumours that maybe Carrie wanted to go back to
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  Japan. I've heard that as well.
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  I mean, that's just a game in the dirt sheets.
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  So hit that with a pinch of salt.
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  But yeah, I think if he does get involved with Backlash, I think
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  it could be a big pop. She goes away happy, gets to do
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  what she does next, which would be really cool.
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  And I said does really pay off. But I think Leanne's spot on
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  where if you're going to release her, like just wait a couple of
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  weeks and release her after Backlash after she's paid homage
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  to this storyline. So absolutely great thing and
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  from Leon there. Thank you very much for the
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  comment. Are you ready to take things
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  over to Instagram, Luke? I am.
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  So obviously the other way to interact with the show is on
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  Instagram. We are at Instagram at SAS
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  Wrestling pod. Not Shiran Sutner is of course,
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  Singleton suplexes is what it does stand for.
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  We post three different things in there.
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  We also put a story up the day of our recording for people to
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  leave some comments. And we've got a couple of
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  comments in there, Luke today. So first one, and you know, bear
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  in mind this will be our 15th episode of the podcast.
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  We haven't had to deal with sort of a passing away in the
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  wrestling world yet, which you know, when you think like dark
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  side the ring and how tragic the wrestling industry can be, I'm
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  surprised at that. But we have had one obviously.
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  And Geordie has commented saying with the passing of billionaire
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  Ted, should he be in the WWE Hall of Fame?
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  So obviously Ted Turner, obviously former owner of WCW,
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  but the multimedia mogul, he sort of revolutionised cable
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  television and entertainment in America and by doing so across
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  the world, I suppose, you know, we create CNN, for example.
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  You know, he's he's a, he's a huge entity in the entertainment
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  world and a big entity in the wrestling world and always loved
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  wrestling. He obviously passed away today.
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  Obviously lived a long fruitful life and, you know, did a lot
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  with his life. But yes.
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  What's your thoughts? Geordie says with the passing of
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  billionaire Ted, should he be in the Dewey Dewey Hall of Fame?
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  Absolutely. If you want, if you want a short
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  answer to the point that obviously I was at work the day
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  when I saw that he passed away, that I can't Google because I
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  thought he was in the Hall of Fame.
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  But she isn't. So that's how much I think he
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  should be in it. I just assumed he already was.
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  But like, yeah, he's absolutely, You know, there'd be no Monday
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  Night Wars without Ted Turner, you know what I mean?
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  He loved his wrestling. You know, we thought we, you
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  know, we use the term wrestling all the time.
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  That comes from billionaire Ted. And like I said, I mean, you've
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  argue that, you know, the Monday night was is the biggest event
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  in wrestling history really kind of those two companies going
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  head to head legitimately kind of trying to put each other out
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  of business. And he was a catalyst for that.
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  And, you know, if you've got like Eric Bischoff's and people
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  like that in the Hall of Fame who try to put W out of
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  business, there's absolutely no reason why someone like Ted
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  Turner shouldn't be either. I saw that AW have already
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  dedicated Tonight Show to him. So yeah, I think it'll be
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  interesting to see how WWE cover his death starting on Smackdown
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  and then obviously Backlash as well.
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  But yes, absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame.
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  I think if you look at his, what he did for wrestling, if he
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  excluded WCW, obviously you know when he started TBS and when he
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  starts TNT, you know, he very much tries to put wrestling on
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  those on those television channels.
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  He wants wrestling broadcast to all of America and then
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  obviously so just there alone, like he loved wrestling and he
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  wanted it to be broadcast all over the place.
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  So you know what the start is Tick somebody trying to do
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  goodbye wrestling. But then he buys WCW.
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  He turns it into sort of the fastest growing business of all
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  time. And so he does kill itself in
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  the end, right? But he puts Bishop in charge, he
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  buys it it it's the fastest rising company in the world.
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  It goes head to head within that man.
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  And it sort of gives birth to that the two era.
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  Would that two era have happened without the Monday Night War?
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  Like, you know, and all of that stuff happened because Ted owned
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  WCW. Not 100%.
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  I think like if there's there's two things I think that are like
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  massive kind of sliding doors moments, I suppose, for lack of
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  a better term. And I think one of them is like
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  if Ted Turner never kind of puts the investment into WCW that he
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  did, what does the wrestle more look like?
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  And then the other ones, if the click don't do the curtain call
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  and Triple H wins King of the Ring and not Austin.
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  I think they're the two, They're the two that.
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  Always think of when you think of sliding doors moments because
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  obviously that's massive. So it all is, like I say, is in
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  the history of professional wrestling.
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  Ted Turner's absolutely fucking huge name.
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  He is indeed. And I'll see Eric Bischoff work
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  for Ted Turner obviously before WCW.
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  And he has come out and said he was the media version of Elon
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  Musk in his time. So I think he's talking about
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  sort of just sort of the flamborist, you know, investing
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  in the things he liked, you know, looking to have it, You
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  know, I mean, you don't obviously divide his opinions, I
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  think. But, you know, Elon tries to
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  have, in his opinion, a positive effect on whatever he's doing.
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  Obviously you should be might deem that as a negative thing,
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  but that's what he's trying to do.
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  And yeah, I think that's a that's a fair, that's a fair
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  thing to say. Obviously he was married to Jane
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  Fonda. I.
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  Didn't know that. Yeah, Ted Turner was married to
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  Jane Fonda. So Ted Turner was going to run
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  for president and he was thinking about it.
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  But Jane Fonda said if he did that, I would leave you.
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  And then he chose his wife over over that Ted as the president
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  instead of, you know, instead of Trump being the WE Hall of
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  Famer, who's the president? He could have been Ted if Ted
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  does go in the Hall of Fame one day.
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  But yes, I think I think Ted needs to go in just because here
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  how much he loved wrestling and obviously how much he did for
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  wrestling by purchasing WCW, by putting WCW on his networks, by
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  putting all the wrestling on his networks.
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  And I think you mentioned that AW has already announced
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  tonight's shows in memory of Mike The Game.
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  Like AW is back on the Turner network.
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  So obviously when W, when AW got its television deal, you know,
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  it was on TNT, it was on TBS because of the past
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  relationships they had with WCWS, why it got put back on.
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  So again, like Ted's DNA is all over, AW, actually having a
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  really good TV deal. No, it wasn't.
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  That in itself gave like AWA bit of a throwback edge to it,
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  didn't it? Like for your hardcore wrestling
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  fans, like wrestling's back on TNT?
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  It was, it was, it was cool. It was back on TNT, you know.
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  It was back with Tony Cheviani, the voice of TNT Wrestling as
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  well. Yeah, nice little bit of pro
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  wrestling nostalgia, which we're all about watching a wrestling.
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  I know, I know, I know. We obviously don't get on TNT
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  over here, but you know, you still see it.
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  You still see the the the presentation of it.
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  And I think as well, if you want to be cynical as well, like it
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  probably suits. WWE putting them in the Hall of
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  Fame after he's passed because then they can kind of sugarcoat
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  how what they say about them, can't they?
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  No, indeed. They can put their version of
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  Ted Turner in. They can't.
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  They can't indeed. Our next comment on the
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  Instagram comes from Adam. Adam says National Wrestling
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  League in mind. So obviously we'll be taught by
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  the past couple of weeks. Both pick a team, but each
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  member has to have been in their prime in a different decade.
• 18:01
  So say say that again. So, National Wrestling League in
• 18:04
  mind. Both the football, yeah.
• 18:07
  Both pick a team, but each member has to have been in their
• 18:10
  prime in a different decade. So you can't have Rock in Austin
• 18:14
  because obviously they're they're in the same decade,
• 18:15
  right in their prime. Right.
• 18:18
  So. So and how many are on the team?
• 18:21
  I think should we just, I don't have, he's actually in there in
• 18:23
  those teams. So we just say 3, I'll say 3.
• 18:27
  So I think I would pick, I would pick Bruiser Brody, then I would
• 18:34
  pick Hulk Hogan, and then I will pick the Hitman, Bret Hart.
• 18:42
  Good team. I think I would go like keeping
• 18:46
  this kind of old school and bruiseries a big part team of
• 18:50
  hard hit as I think I'll go Harley Race.
• 18:54
  Foley is Cactus Jack. Oh wow, that's a good one.
• 18:57
  And then punk Punk Foley race. Yeah, that's brilliant.
• 19:04
  Yeah, it was a bunch of old school guys hitting it hard.
• 19:09
  I'm thinking, do you think on my team that Hogan and Brett
• 19:14
  overlock too much or not? No, not at all because that was
• 19:17
  possibly powerful Corgan's problem in my left of you.
• 19:21
  He wasn't at the passing of the torch needed to be done in a lot
• 19:23
  of people's eyes. So now I think that they're
• 19:25
  definitely and explain if you know if you just want to
• 19:28
  acknowledge WE as a product and nothing else.
• 19:31
  And it definitely existed in the prime at two different times.
• 19:35
  Awesome. Yeah.
• 19:36
  So I think, I think Bruiser Brody, you know, I think he
• 19:38
  brings a a madness and a all out violence side of the team, which
• 19:42
  is fantastic. Hogan obviously could be you can
• 19:46
  be the voice of the team, you know, you can be the Ronaldo, he
• 19:50
  can be the the main, the main guy and Brett can be absolutely
• 19:54
  the absolute work also goes in there and wins all the points
• 19:57
  for the team as well. Definitely, I like it.
• 20:00
  I noticed that I had a bit more about the Northeast Outlaws
• 20:04
  today, but still no strip. I think we're the only team
• 20:06
  without a strip announcement yet, so I'm looking forward to
• 20:08
  seeing that. I have commented on the
• 20:10
  Instagram post and we want more information.
• 20:13
  Yeah, hopefully they do bring somebody inside of heat up.
• 20:16
  So that is really, really positive.
• 20:19
  But I think that brings an end to housekeeping, Luke.
• 20:21
  Lovely and. We're going to move into a week
• 20:23
  in review. Definitely.
• 20:25
  So do you want to start us off then this week with you all with
• 20:28
  a positive? Let's start nice in there,
• 20:29
  brightly positive of the week in review.
• 20:32
  I will do so we can reviews where we pick two to three
• 20:34
  things that we liked and 232 to three things that we maybe
• 20:38
  didn't like so much about the past week in professional
• 20:40
  wrestling. I'm going to start off with a
• 20:42
  positive and I'm going to start off with backlash.
• 20:49
  I just feel this whole Dan housing.
• 20:52
  You know, the way they set the the way the mizzen kit set the
• 20:55
  trap firm to get the human monies.
• 20:58
  Now he didn't set the trap off and then it triggered on them.
• 21:01
  It was absolute slapstick at his best and worked brilliantly.
• 21:03
  It then got violent in the ring where Miz tricked him and like,
• 21:07
  you know, Miz and Kit were able to sort of hurt Dan Hausen,
• 21:10
  which is the first time someone's actually been able to
• 21:11
  do that. And obviously, Dan Hausen went
• 21:13
  looking for Nick Aldous to demand a match of Backlash,
• 21:16
  which was, you know, really cool.
• 21:19
  And I think it's set up for A tag team match of Backlash where
• 21:21
  we'll have Kit and Miz versus Dan Hausen, but only if Dan
• 21:25
  Hausen can find A tag team partner.
• 21:27
  And we are going to see what happens there.
• 21:29
  And yes, Luke, obviously, I know we've been talking about
• 21:33
  backlash since the beginning of we went on air, but yeah, what's
• 21:36
  your thoughts on Dan Housing, where the storyline is going?
• 21:38
  Yeah, again, the progressive storyline nicely.
• 21:40
  You know, he got his WrestleMania moment and now it's
• 21:42
  leading the kind of a proper match as far as kind of
• 21:45
  storytelling Buchan go. And they've done a very good job
• 21:47
  with it where it's kind of everyone involved in, it's kind
• 21:50
  of been elevated, I think. And yeah, like you say, the
• 21:52
  briefcase. Don't know it was slapstick, I
• 21:54
  think, miss even like when the Kit Wilson like what's this wily
• 21:57
  coyote contraption that you've bought or something like Acme,
• 21:59
  it was kind of acknowledged as how stupid it was.
• 22:02
  And then it does. And then it gets what you kind
• 22:04
  of want going into a pay-per-view, a bit of mystery
• 22:06
  as to, you know, who's the 3rd man, who's Dan Housing's partner
• 22:09
  who's coming out of the crate. So yeah, I'm in.
• 22:11
  I'm intrigued to see who they have as his partner.
• 22:15
  I mean, we've had a bit of a discussion off air about who
• 22:17
  would think. So we were thinking, see, I'm
• 22:20
  punk potentially. Do you think that's beneath punk
• 22:23
  or do you think that is a good shout?
• 22:26
  I do not think it's beneath Punk.
• 22:27
  I think Punk would absolutely do it.
• 22:28
  I think Punk's actually not involved in the program right
• 22:31
  now. You know, his last promo will
• 22:32
  sit telling Cody Rose out down the line at some point he's
• 22:36
  going to be ready for a title match.
• 22:37
  Obviously Cody's got into a program it looks like with
• 22:39
  Gunther straight away. So Punk's like free and I don't
• 22:43
  see why Punk wouldn't want to work with him.
• 22:46
  I think my only concern about Punk tugging with Dan Housing is
• 22:49
  that if Punk's in there, do you want them bumping too much for
• 22:52
  Kit and Miss? Is it going to be too much of
• 22:55
  like a whitewash victory for the Mizzen?
• 22:58
  The Mizzen Sorry for Dan Housing and Punk if it is Punk.
• 23:01
  Yeah, I think, I think the only way around that is you just do a
• 23:04
  hot tag, don't you? And maybe have Punk clear the
• 23:06
  ring and it's short and sweet. I know they've announced it for
• 23:09
  the first hour, so it's on ESPN. So I could see this is maybe
• 23:12
  he's the opener, kind of a nice hot start.
• 23:14
  So if it's kind of an in and out job, I think Punk works.
• 23:17
  But yeah, I'm a little bit kind of is it is he just too high
• 23:20
  profile to be in there doing this?
• 23:23
  I mean, what do you think will be a worst case scenario as A
• 23:25
  tag partner? I think a celebrity like
• 23:28
  obviously because it was rumoured we're going to get
• 23:30
  Jelly Roll versus Jelly Roll and Cody versus Punk and Pat.
• 23:35
  Like that was the kind of original plan.
• 23:37
  So yeah, I wouldn't want it to be a celebrity, but he Jelly
• 23:41
  Roll has also had some stuff to do with Kit Wilson's what kind
• 23:44
  of makes sense. So there is a part of his thing,
• 23:46
  and that's who it's going to be. I.
• 23:48
  Hope it's not Jelly rolls because I was like, he sort of
• 23:52
  said that that this let me stay out of it.
• 23:54
  Now. Do you know swings a part of my
• 23:57
  head. What if Dan Housing goes and
• 24:00
  gets Alex Riley? That would be I.
• 24:04
  Feel like that will be really good, especially kind of for
• 24:07
  people who've watched it as long as we have, because you know,
• 24:09
  it's always good when they give you a little little throwback.
• 24:12
  But I feel like he's a bit mental, isn't he?
• 24:14
  Isn't he one of those people that says things online and I
• 24:16
  don't? I feel like there might be might
• 24:18
  be bridges burnt there. It might be, which is a shame,
• 24:21
  but I think see if he wasn't, then he's like an OK guy to
• 24:25
  bring back in the store. I think all I've brought you for
• 24:28
  my Porter Jim, is to come and help us defeat you will be
• 24:30
  really cool. Tell You could be a good one and
• 24:32
  Minority does the comedy well if you want to go down and pick one
• 24:35
  of Mrs. Endless at former tag team partners, Damien Sandow
• 24:40
  could be a good one. He.
• 24:41
  Could indeed. Yes, that would.
• 24:42
  Be yeah, if you could, especially if you know where
• 24:44
  where's the face paint? And he's done.
• 24:45
  I was in stunt double. That one's just coming to me
• 24:48
  there with you going down the list of former miss partners.
• 24:51
  So yeah, something like that would be cool.
• 24:52
  But yeah, I think I just, I think as long as it's not a
• 24:54
  celebrity, I think whoever you get it should be fun do.
• 24:57
  You think if it is punk punk, where's the face pinned?
• 25:01
  Well, if you go on in, you might as well go in, mightn't you?
• 25:04
  Why not? Yeah.
• 25:05
  Wanting to punk or want to have fun with his friends, so
• 25:08
  obviously. But I mean, I suppose having fun
• 25:10
  and people having fun on a power show, right?
• 25:12
  So that's why the company would let him have that much fun, I
• 25:15
  suppose. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:16
  Well, we will see. But again, it's good because I
• 25:18
  say we've got a bit of you coming up and it's another thing
• 25:20
  where we're kind of going into it and I'm like they've done an
• 25:23
  excellent job with Dan. I was and we love them and
• 25:24
  there's a bit of mystery there. So yeah, hopefully it's not a
• 25:27
  let down. And I love how Dan I was and
• 25:29
  thinks he's got $400.00 but it's actually 40 grand.
• 25:32
  Yeah, 44400 human monies. Indeed, my next positive was
• 25:38
  Saul Rukers sort of re debut on them here.
• 25:43
  So you could see I think she was presented like a star.
• 25:47
  She managed to hold her own. I think it was a bit of a botch.
• 25:51
  Maybe on the soul couch, on the soul catcher.
• 25:54
  She. Corrected herself though, which
• 25:55
  was fair play. Do you know what I mean?
• 25:56
  She kind of misfolded it but like she managed to pull her
• 25:59
  back round so I didn't mind. And.
• 26:00
  Another version I've watched the fixed it in the edit anywhere
• 26:03
  the you know, the the loveliness of television production, I
• 26:07
  suppose, but that's not what was all about.
• 26:09
  I think I think should look great.
• 26:11
  You held on the mic and I just think, yeah, like she's here.
• 26:15
  She's mixed Becky, which is great, and I think she's ready
• 26:18
  for this now. On the main roster, Absolutely
• 26:20
  no. 100% that was one of my positives as well.
• 26:22
  Like obviously I've spoke a lot about how much of a fan I am of
• 26:25
  her. Like obviously the Royal Rumble,
• 26:27
  then I debut against Liv and obviously we've talked a bit
• 26:29
  about her an XT stuff with Daria as well.
• 26:31
  But yeah, like she looked like a star.
• 26:33
  You've put her in there with arguably like other than Ria
• 26:37
  Ripley at the moment, like or live like you put her in there
• 26:41
  with kind of the biggest star in the women's division and she's
• 26:43
  already been in there with Liv the other week.
• 26:45
  So like it shows you how much faith they've got in her.
• 26:48
  And I think it makes perfect sense where like I think
• 26:50
  obviously you're probably not going to get a backlash now
• 26:52
  because we're too, too soon in. But I think whenever you finally
• 26:56
  get Becky, so look after the title, she takes that and I
• 26:58
  think a good kind of run with that mid card belt.
• 27:01
  I bet he's done a lot to elevate as well.
• 27:03
  To be fair. I think it's kind of the perfect
• 27:06
  kind of building up of Soul Rooka where I could see her
• 27:08
  being like women's champion at next year's Mania, potentially
• 27:12
  even Rumble winner. So yeah, give her a good run
• 27:14
  with that icy title. Yeah, and I think she'll be to
• 27:17
  the women's icy title what Mr. Perfect and what Brett Hart were
• 27:22
  to the men's icy title in that era.
• 27:24
  No, 100%. That's what I mean.
• 27:26
  I think like if you if you book it right and you make sure you
• 27:28
  like after she's won it, you put her a meaningful, meaningful
• 27:31
  angles and things like that. I think there's a lot of
• 27:33
  potential. There's her as the IC champion
• 27:35
  where she elevates the belt and it's not the other way around.
• 27:39
  Indeed. And then my final positive of
• 27:41
  the week was I did keep it to three games, Brown Breaker and
• 27:48
  Seth Rollins. I just think this feud is it's
• 27:50
  heating up, obviously. I just think the physicality and
• 27:54
  sort of the the seething anger that's like in every scene and
• 27:57
  every word they see each other in how they fight each other.
• 28:00
  Like I'm fully bought in and then every week they keep me
• 28:03
  bought in and I can you can you can.
• 28:05
  I mean, I'm assuming they're probably not.
• 28:08
  I'm assuming they don't hate each other in real life, right.
• 28:10
  But like, but you feel like they do.
• 28:12
  They're both doing a fantastic job buying bronze really.
• 28:15
  Again, he's really all over delivering here and I'm, you
• 28:18
  know, bronze doing things I didn't think maybe I didn't
• 28:21
  think you could do them, but I question whether he could.
• 28:23
  But he's proven me sort of that he can every week now.
• 28:26
  I think he's on the mic. He's looking comfortable, he's
• 28:29
  looking confident. He's being angsty, he's being
• 28:32
  physical, he's being vicious, he's being strong.
• 28:35
  He's he's, you know, full of confidence.
• 28:37
  And yeah, I'm just, I'm just loving Bomb Break at the minute.
• 28:40
  No, definitely. I think like I said, you know,
• 28:42
  I'm kind of hit and miss with Seth Rollins and I kind of one
• 28:45
  of me thinking around this was kind of I feel like Braun has to
• 28:48
  win. Where do you go from here?
• 28:50
  But then I think they kind of planted a little seed on Raw and
• 28:53
  it kind of got us thinking about the fact that Bronson Reed's
• 28:56
  probably due to come back where I could see kind of Bron winning
• 28:59
  this with Bronson Reed's help. And then I could obviously, you
• 29:03
  know, Bronson took out Roman a little while back and beat him.
• 29:07
  So I think you might might, I think those seeds planted for
• 29:10
  potentially kind of a reunion of Rollins and Reigns for a little
• 29:13
  bit against Breaker and Bronson Reed.
• 29:19
  So I think that could be interesting that kind of because
• 29:21
  I wondered that was my thing, where does Seth go from this?
• 29:24
  But a kind of uneasy alliance back with Roman could be
• 29:27
  interesting. So I'm kind of hoping that's
• 29:29
  what it's going to lead to. We will see what we, but yes,
• 29:33
  it's looking, it's looking like that could be promising.
• 29:35
  Definitely. So you say that was all your
• 29:37
  positives? I did.
• 29:39
  I kept it at three. It was a few other things I
• 29:40
  like. I kept at 3 this week.
• 29:41
  So let's go over yours board. So Ricky Sane's debut on
• 29:45
  Smackdown. So I'm someone who's kind of
• 29:47
  still and is always a bit being a bit on the fence with what
• 29:51
  you're saying. So my introduction to him was an
• 29:53
  awi thought it was funny that him and Ethan Page went to NXT
• 29:57
  at similar times because I was a bit on the fence with Ethan Page
• 29:59
  because all I'd seen from him was his AW stuff where I don't
• 30:02
  think either were used that well.
• 30:05
  Ethan Page in NXT massively won is over and I kind of got what
• 30:08
  he was all about. I don't think Ricky Sane has
• 30:10
  done that for us in NXTI still think there's a potential there
• 30:14
  where he's just, I don't know, he's still missing something.
• 30:17
  But on Smackdown, obviously he comes out, he confronts the
• 30:20
  champ, cuts a promo, gets a match, gets a bit of a rub off
• 30:24
  Cody. And as far as kind of debut
• 30:26
  goes, yes, he might have lost the match, but he lost it
• 30:28
  against the WE champion. I think it's kind of put him in
• 30:30
  a spotlight and then we'll move him on to something new now and
• 30:33
  then we'll kind of see whether he's got that something there to
• 30:36
  kind of be one of the big names on Smackdown.
• 30:38
  But I think as far as the, you know, main roster debut goes, it
• 30:42
  was it was really strong. And I think if anyone didn't
• 30:44
  know who he was, you'd put him in a spotlight there.
• 30:47
  Yeah, I did enjoy this. I think he was able to talk and
• 30:50
  do a great promo. He was able to wrestle as well
• 30:52
  and show off, you know, his physique, but also he's in ring
• 30:55
  style. Obviously he's not going to beat
• 30:56
  the champ, but it wasn't a squash by any stretch of the
• 30:58
  imagination. You know, he was able to show,
• 31:00
  put in a good showing. So yeah, I think it puts Ricky
• 31:02
  in a fantastic position to really go to his next match and
• 31:06
  hopefully his next feud with somebody more on his level right
• 31:08
  now and then really show us what he can do.
• 31:11
  Definitely, and then another positive for me where obviously
• 31:13
  last week I said I potentially saw it as a negative and I still
• 31:17
  think it's something that'll run its course quite quickly.
• 31:19
  But I thought Oba's open challenge this week was
• 31:21
  excellent with Otis. Just two fucking big lads going
• 31:25
  at it and fucking see an Oba lob Ortis around the rings.
• 31:28
  It's never not going to be impressive.
• 31:30
  I like the daft little setup where you thought was going to
• 31:32
  be Tazawa as well, where he steps to him then kind of moves
• 31:35
  back. So I thought week one of the Oba
• 31:37
  Femi challenge was definitely a positive where it leads to, I'm
• 31:41
  not too sure. I think you need to kind of keep
• 31:44
  going up against these big guys, But how many of them have the
• 31:47
  got? I tell you, I was thinking could
• 31:49
  be a cool one, like if he if he did the challenge, our
• 31:52
  pay-per-view, like a one night only appearance.
• 31:54
  I would quite like to see Braun Strowman answer the challenge.
• 31:58
  Apparently he's been on social media saying that they couldn't
• 32:01
  afford him. Has he right?
• 32:03
  Well, that's not going to help, is it?
• 32:05
  I mean, it looks like I can't afford a lot of people at the
• 32:08
  minute with the way they're negotiating.
• 32:09
  Contracts, but he could be working, or if he's already been
• 32:11
  approached, he could be working or so support or support.
• 32:13
  Yeah. But yeah, so I think, like I
• 32:16
  say, I thought it was a funny one that was the next like, kind
• 32:19
  of path to take with them. But if they keep going like they
• 32:22
  do with kind of people like Otis and it's not just kind of, you
• 32:25
  know, local job as a smaller guys.
• 32:27
  And it's definitely got a couple of weeks in it.
• 32:29
  But I think it's something that they'll either need to kind of
• 32:32
  end, as in just move them on to something else or step it up
• 32:36
  sooner rather than later. But it was definitely a positive
• 32:38
  because like, Otis is a funny 1, isn't he?
• 32:40
  Because I feel like every time he's on TV, like he's massively
• 32:45
  over with the crowd and like he he's someone who seems to really
• 32:48
  maximize that TV time really well.
• 32:50
  And whatever role he's given, like I'm a big fan of all this,
• 32:53
  this shame he never got a cash in that money in the bank.
• 32:57
  Well, so this was a negative for me, not because I didn't like
• 33:01
  it, like I enjoyed it, but I think they've like they've come
• 33:05
  too soon. They've spunk the bed too soon.
• 33:06
  I think like so this is only Week 2, the over family classic
• 33:11
  open challenge, sorry, and then like so we killed orders like so
• 33:17
  you like you also have you got who we can who's believable, who
• 33:20
  might stand the chance? I think I enjoy the Connie
• 33:23
  aspect. You know, I think the
• 33:25
  presentation was fine. I think you would have I would
• 33:27
  have done this in a few weeks down the line rather than right
• 33:30
  now. But that's why it's negative for
• 33:32
  me, because I feel whoever comes up against next week, right?
• 33:35
  If they're not as big or as challenging as orders, then it's
• 33:39
  then it's dead right. I.
• 33:41
  Mean to an extent, but I know I've just kind of kind of bigs
• 33:43
  up Otis massively, but like in he was never a real threat, was
• 33:47
  he, other than his size. So that's why I didn't mind it
• 33:51
  because they you just need to get someone like of an of
• 33:53
  another level now, not necessarily size.
• 33:55
  But yeah, I just think that like Otis hasn't been presented as
• 33:59
  someone that was ever going to win for a long time.
• 34:01
  So I didn't mind it for what it was.
• 34:03
  Like you say, I mean, the presentation was there, but
• 34:04
  yeah, like I say it like it's a positive this week, but it can
• 34:07
  quickly become a negative on whoever they have come out next.
• 34:10
  And I feel like you'll probably get one at backlash as well.
• 34:13
  Yeah, that's how I would have had do a couple more similar
• 34:17
  people the last week and then have over have them.
• 34:20
  Ought to be like, boy, this guy's a bit bigger here, what's
• 34:24
  going to happen? Obviously he wins that one and
• 34:26
  then like you move on to the next big guy.
• 34:27
  But I think that's how I think movies have.
• 34:29
  I. Tell you who they have got.
• 34:31
  Too soon. Down in AAA almost.
• 34:35
  Yeah. You could have almost answered
• 34:38
  the challenge on week speaking AAA.
• 34:39
  Did you see Ric Flair apologized?
• 34:42
  Ludwig Kaiser. Kaiser, was it?
• 34:46
  That's not his name, is it? Yeah, it is.
• 34:49
  Yeah. So obviously he said that, you
• 34:50
  know, he's banned from WrestleMania because he said he
• 34:52
  was going to knock him out. So he then posted a picture of
• 34:54
  him just apologizing, like saying that, you know, you never
• 34:57
  meant it like this. But then he ended up by good.
• 35:00
  Like from what I've heard you're doing really good stuff down in
• 35:03
  Undertake as promotion. I just love how Ric Flair refer
• 35:06
  to legendary Mexican promotion. AAA's Undertaker's promotion is
• 35:11
  that is that respectful by Rick of AAA.
• 35:14
  Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, that was there.
• 35:18
  I'll tell you what, that contain one of my negatives there
• 35:20
  because one of my negatives from the week was fucking the Creed
• 35:23
  Brothers getting added to this Grande Americano thing.
• 35:26
  It's stupid now, isn't it? I think they jumped the shark on
• 35:29
  it a while back. But yeah, like there's too many
• 35:31
  people who aren't neutradors dressed as luchadors now, isn't
• 35:34
  there? And then because you meant to
• 35:36
  know what's going on, but you don't watch AAA and also you
• 35:39
  will do but like then how how you meant to know what's going
• 35:41
  on. It's yeah, it's crazy.
• 35:42
  And I think obviously on the in the US audience, that's the
• 35:46
  other way around. Like Chad Gable's over and then
• 35:49
  in the Mexico, Ludwikiza's over. So depending on where the match
• 35:53
  happens, it depends on who's healing, who's face.
• 35:55
  And yeah, essentially it's just cultural appropriation.
• 35:58
  All of that because you've got another 2 white men being
• 36:00
  Mexicans. Dancing around as well.
• 36:02
  And it's just, and if you want to be like a really little
• 36:04
  wrestling nerd about it, like, you know, the last time Chad
• 36:08
  Gable, who knows another mask, was with the Creed Brothers, he
• 36:11
  disowned them and kicked them out of American Alpha, didn't
• 36:15
  he? So it's kind of like, yeah, it's
• 36:17
  a bit all over the place there as well.
• 36:19
  Like I just, yeah, it's just run its course.
• 36:21
  Like it's after it's it's like Silly's fun from time to time.
• 36:24
  You know, we love Dan housing and I like the El Grande
• 36:26
  Americano gimmick at the beginning.
• 36:28
  But yeah, it's just got on 40 log.
• 36:29
  And you hit the nail on the head where it's like in Mexico, Chad
• 36:33
  Gables the heel. So it's just it's done.
• 36:37
  I'm I'm I can't wait for it to be finished, but it's not done
• 36:39
  until the 30th. That's when that face, that
• 36:41
  final match has happened. And so I think you still got at
• 36:43
  least a couple more weeks of this.
• 36:45
  Is that mask versus mask a AAA in Mexico?
• 36:48
  Yeah, so the loser must unmask. I just feel that would have a
• 36:53
  bigger pop in a do you be ring rather than a AAA ring.
• 36:56
  In this bit of, yeah, maybe he's in, but, but I don't know.
• 36:59
  But this is the thing, like, you know, Ric Flair, maybe he's
• 37:01
  didn't give AAA the credit it deserve, but like, like Ludwig
• 37:04
  Kaiser has done a fucking fantastic job.
• 37:06
  And like, if you watch the AAA stuff, which I dip into in and
• 37:09
  out, and obviously you see a lot of the clips from this feud
• 37:11
  online as well. Like he's done a fucking
• 37:13
  fantastic job at it, but they've just watered it down and watered
• 37:16
  it down. Now it's just like it's I think
• 37:18
  it's past the point of saving. Do you think Kaiser continues as
• 37:23
  our Grande? Because I feel like he wins in
• 37:24
  Mexico and Chad own masks. So do you think they then
• 37:27
  continue it with just kind of the the three?
• 37:32
  Has it got? Has it got legs?
• 37:35
  I think the three have legs, but I think they need to get rid of
• 37:38
  Chad Gable, need to get back being Chad Gable, and that'll
• 37:40
  work fine. And these two meatheads who are
• 37:43
  his mates can be his mates or not his mates, but get them out
• 37:45
  there as well. And I think, yeah, I think you
• 37:48
  have. You have Pete Dunn, Tyler Be it
• 37:52
  and Louvre Kaiser continue in that gimmick because it works
• 37:56
  for those 3 now. Yeah.
• 37:57
  And if you've put the creeds back with them, maybe that's
• 38:00
  where it's going to continue because the creeds were someone
• 38:02
  who, if they were on that list last week of people that got
• 38:04
  released, you wouldn't have been that surprised.
• 38:06
  So the fact that they've kind of kept the job and then the week
• 38:09
  after all these releases they all put back on telly, maybe
• 38:12
  that's a sign that they are going to start to get used
• 38:13
  again. And the NXT stuff was really
• 38:15
  good. There's just nothing ever really
• 38:17
  clicked on the main roster. So hopefully that's kind of we
• 38:19
  see something completely different to what they're doing
• 38:21
  now, but kind of prominent. Definitely.
• 38:25
  Have you got any more negatives? And yeah, so the yeah, it's
• 38:32
  something that I just flip flop between all the time.
• 38:33
  But Dobby Allen as the champion, like the match with Brody King,
• 38:36
  like similar to the champ match, which I liked, it was kind of
• 38:39
  brutal. It was hard hitting, but like
• 38:42
  the the size difference was just too much.
• 38:44
  Like did you see the spot where he obviously does the the run
• 38:48
  out the ring and he just hits Brody and it doesn't have any
• 38:50
  effect on him? Yeah, I did, yeah.
• 38:52
  Like I just thought like, he's the football world heavyweight
• 38:55
  champion and I've seen loads of people posting pictures this
• 38:58
  week where it's like Tony Khan booked WE in 2000s and it's
• 39:01
  Spike Dudley with the like world champion and I just, yeah, in
• 39:06
  it. So but then earlier in the night
• 39:07
  it was confusing where you had the MGF Jet TNT match and Dobby
• 39:14
  Allen comes down from the rafters like Sting to cost MGF
• 39:16
  the match because it's like, well, why are you getting
• 39:17
  involved in that? Like it didn't make any sense
• 39:20
  for Dobby Allen to cost MGF the TNT world title.
• 39:24
  So yeah, I just think they've done a shock title switch and
• 39:27
  then the follow-ups just being confusing and I think if
• 39:30
  anything it looks like it leads towards MGF just winning the
• 39:32
  title back the next pay-per-view.
• 39:35
  So yeah, I I just don't think it's been a successful thing.
• 39:37
  I mean, what? What do you think of the Derby
• 39:39
  Island title run so far? I think it's still too early to
• 39:43
  judge. I think what you're saying is
• 39:45
  absolutely right. I think you know, some of the
• 39:47
  matches he's, you know, he's not necessarily in storylines.
• 39:49
  He's just having, he's having titled defences against good
• 39:52
  wrestlers, which is good. But at some point you have to
• 39:54
  have a story. But then he's just integrating
• 39:57
  his story into MGF. So what would be sad is that if
• 40:00
  MGF does get the title back from Derby, how they just give it a
• 40:04
  Derby to like get it over and done with.
• 40:07
  No, definitely. Yeah.
• 40:08
  So I think I'm just still, I think that's still the ultimate
• 40:10
  negative of us so far is that I'm what, like 4 weeks into this
• 40:14
  now and I'm still just confused as to what the title reign is
• 40:18
  and where it goes and when it ends.
• 40:20
  Would it have even been worthwhile?
• 40:22
  So yeah, I think that's why that was like kind of one of the
• 40:24
  negatives for me. Definitely.
• 40:27
  And then kind of my last negative of the week is just
• 40:29
  I've watched NXT this week and obviously we're taught last week
• 40:32
  you had all these kind of exciting new debuts and kind of
• 40:35
  the negative to a point. And he's someone that I've
• 40:37
  always liked, especially when he was doing the Tony D'Angelo kind
• 40:40
  of family gimmick. But like, I just think him is
• 40:43
  NXT world champion at the minute.
• 40:44
  It it he looks like a weak champion and you've got all
• 40:48
  these new guys turn up all these new shiny toys.
• 40:50
  And I think they already look like a more exciting option as
• 40:53
  champion. And I worry like when Tony drops
• 40:55
  the belt, which I think will be sooner rather than later.
• 40:58
  Has he got any chance to go to the main Ross seller?
• 41:00
  I just can't see Tony Angelo making any kind of impact on the
• 41:04
  main roster, which I think sad because I think there is
• 41:06
  something there, but I don't know.
• 41:07
  Like what are your thoughts on him?
• 41:10
  I think you're right. I think we need to see him take
• 41:15
  the next step. I think which I think we haven't
• 41:17
  seen him do. So he's in a he's in a good
• 41:20
  position, but he needs to be in an exhibition enabled to sort of
• 41:24
  come the main roster and make an impact, right.
• 41:26
  He doesn't do not insure us that yet.
• 41:29
  And as the clock ticks, you rightly saw, you know, these new
• 41:32
  people are turning up who like are exciting and are making us
• 41:35
  like think about them rather than him.
• 41:37
  So he needs they need to do something.
• 41:39
  He need to do something where they get us back thinking and
• 41:41
  talking about him in a positive way allows him to show his it
• 41:45
  fact and hopefully that allows them to get all on the main
• 41:48
  roster. But as again, as the weeks go
• 41:50
  by, looks like that's less and less likely.
• 41:52
  Yeah. And I think that, you know, it's
• 41:54
  that kind of old cliched saying that, you know, the the man
• 41:56
  makes the title, not the title makes the man.
• 41:58
  And at the minute it's kind of like his gimmick is the maid of
• 42:01
  an XT champion and that's about it.
• 42:03
  And like the belts doing the heavy lifting for his character
• 42:05
  because since he come back, he kind of come back as this kind
• 42:08
  of like Batman Avenger type. So like he was the kind of, you
• 42:12
  know, the the Tony Soprano character, the family ended.
• 42:15
  And I don't actually really know what his character is at the
• 42:17
  minute either. I think that's possibly part of
• 42:19
  the problem. Why?
• 42:20
  I feel like it's strange that he's the champion because I
• 42:22
  don't really like understand what his gimmick is at the
• 42:25
  minute. Yeah, I agree there as well.
• 42:27
  I think they need to like, then he can nail that down and start
• 42:30
  delivering on what he is to them.
• 42:32
  We can then get on board with it.
• 42:34
  My worry is that does he end up like somebody who I love, who I
• 42:36
  think is a great wrestler in terms of promo storytelling and
• 42:40
  in ring worker Sean Spears. But then again, like, they never
• 42:45
  really get that moment to really show that that's down to them.
• 42:49
  But it's also not the company as well.
• 42:51
  But like, yeah, like has so much potential, but will they get it
• 42:55
  over the line? Possibly not.
• 42:57
  No, definitely. So, yeah, I'll be interesting to
• 42:59
  see. But yeah, I feel that like Evil
• 43:02
  or Mason Rook look like they'll be taking the title off them
• 43:04
  sooner rather than later. And then just to kind of what
• 43:07
  we're going to view, it's not a positive.
• 43:08
  It's not a negative because we don't know what's going to
• 43:10
  happen. Yes.
• 43:10
  And I suppose it's always positive because we get to see
• 43:13
  him. But John Cena saying that he's
• 43:15
  got a big announcement backlash, I just can't worry that it's
• 43:19
  just going to be about Club WWE. And it's like seems a bit of a
• 43:23
  waste of the John Cena appearance.
• 43:24
  What? What do you think his
• 43:25
  announcement is going to be? As soon as I seen that, my mind
• 43:28
  went to Club WWE, Luke. So we're on the same page there
• 43:32
  and I think it is going to be Club WE and I think they're
• 43:36
  trying to get that over. So they're using the big boys to
• 43:38
  do it. It's a bit like, I don't know
• 43:42
  what actual sales are like for like seats.
• 43:44
  So I don't think using it to maybe put bombs on the seats,
• 43:46
  but their announcements are trying to generate some buzz.
• 43:49
  They obviously want people to pay for this subscription
• 43:51
  service or loyalty bonus or whatever the hell it is this
• 43:54
  Club, WWE and you are. They're trying to use these Big
• 43:57
  Lots to get over, but the suddenly told us what it is and
• 44:00
  what you get. So we'll have to wait and see.
• 44:02
  I suppose. There's love and several It's
• 44:04
  like US Only as well. Yeah, I signed up for it like
• 44:07
  the announcement and let us sign up for it and ask what country I
• 44:10
  was in because just I say I'm intrigued to see what kind of
• 44:12
  the rollout is when it happens. So I didn't as I'm not committed
• 44:15
  to buying anything, but I've been signed up for like the info
• 44:18
  on it. So we'll you know, watch this
• 44:20
  space. But yeah, it'll be, it's a funny
• 44:22
  one because again, if you just go on it, just just see, I think
• 44:24
  just priority tickets, exclusive merchandise, things like that.
• 44:27
  So if that's all it is, it's not that exciting, is it?
• 44:30
  Unless you're someone who's got a lot of money to spend on time,
• 44:33
  which both those things are lacking in my life quite a bit.
• 44:38
  Definitely. And I feel it's not going to be
• 44:39
  like, I feel if it was like full of limited edition merch I could
• 44:42
  get your hands on from being a subscriber, things like that,
• 44:45
  that could be exciting. But I do feel just going to be
• 44:47
  like one way you can buy tickets early.
• 44:49
  I do feel it's going to be like like almost like just a
• 44:53
  wrestling version of all 2 priority.
• 44:54
  All 2 priority is fine because you get a free green or two
• 44:56
  customer. I don't want to pay money for
• 44:58
  two priority, you know what I mean?
• 44:59
  No, that's a good analogy. I think what you're going to get
• 45:02
  is WS version of all 2 priority, whereas what I would prefer is
• 45:05
  maybe WWE version of Wrestle Create.
• 45:07
  Do you know what I mean? Something like more like that.
• 45:09
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 45:11
  So, yeah, so it's not positive, it's not a negative.
• 45:13
  I'm intrigued, you know, but I feel that is, I feel like unlike
• 45:16
  that, I feel like Dan Housing Mystery is going to deliver,
• 45:19
  whereas I think John Cena's announcement isn't, especially
• 45:21
  the way he worded it, that it Ebola said it might not be good,
• 45:24
  didn't he? So the beat, it was like, I've
• 45:26
  been working hard on it. Can't say it's going to be
• 45:28
  perfect, but I'm excited. Yeah, just reeks of desperation
• 45:32
  from the company is in we get this club WWE thing over but
• 45:36
  it's like no one cares what want to address them like.
• 45:39
  Unless it's something really good, which again for how to put
• 45:42
  money on it at the minute, I think it is just going to be
• 45:44
  something for people who've got a lot of money to get like front
• 45:46
  row tickets. Indeed.
• 45:49
  So I've got two more negatives to talk about.
• 45:51
  So we'll get through these. So they've died.
• 45:54
  So before WrestleMania, I was, I was obviously talking about how
• 45:57
  there was a lot of security breaking things up and getting
• 46:00
  beat up and like the general manager doesn't have control.
• 46:02
  That's died down a bit since like post WrestleMania.
• 46:05
  But I didn't notice this week like a game.
• 46:07
  PS The sort of suddenly hitting that he's out of control, like
• 46:11
  Reigns wasn't happy with him, Becky wasn't happy with him.
• 46:13
  Becky actually hit him, born breaker sort of caused some
• 46:17
  trouble this week. Like these people are running
• 46:20
  rough, shot over and we can week out and like, I don't know, it's
• 46:24
  fine if you're going to pay this off somewhere, but I feel like
• 46:26
  they're not going to pay it off. I feel it's just happening and
• 46:27
  we're just going to accept it and it doesn't actually mean
• 46:30
  anything and it should mean some things.
• 46:32
  I know what you mean because I had Ron yesterday and like like
• 46:35
  Gemma, my partner was like kind of playing on Sims in the
• 46:38
  background and obviously she saw him get punched by Becky and
• 46:42
  then she saw him kicking off on ASCA when she used the mist and
• 46:45
  she was like, oh, he's having a bad day at work.
• 46:47
  Like do what I mean. So like someone who's not a
• 46:50
  wrestling fan doesn't know who he is, and it was like kind of
• 46:52
  half watching it while playing The Sims kind of picked up on
• 46:54
  that as well, that it was kind of multiple times he'd kind of
• 46:57
  being mugged off, I suppose. So now you are right.
• 47:00
  And yeah, just I thought though, like, are they going to pay it
• 47:02
  off? Does it lead to someone else
• 47:03
  getting brought in like? If he was.
• 47:05
  Replaced who do you think would be kind of someone who they
• 47:08
  could bring in that would add to the product?
• 47:09
  Who do you think would be like a good if the like if that was the
• 47:12
  route that we're going to go down I.
• 47:14
  Hope I hope they don't replace like he's a great channel
• 47:16
  manager. I don't think they need to have
• 47:18
  this lead to him. Like does he get a meaner edge?
• 47:20
  Does he turn? Does he become like a heel
• 47:22
  general manager, like use this to do something with him rather
• 47:25
  than just some look like a fool every week.
• 47:27
  But in terms if they did replace some, I don't really know what
• 47:31
  to be honest. Me, I think I hope again, I hope
• 47:34
  they don't go to the celebrity route.
• 47:35
  So like I think they would have to go with like an old school
• 47:38
  manager, like wrestler manager who would come in and then be
• 47:41
  the general manager of of Raw. Because we're kind of at a.
• 47:46
  Because. We're kind of at a funny place,
• 47:48
  aren't we're? Like there's not many people
• 47:50
  left who you could have in that position.
• 47:52
  Like, you know, do you bring Shawn Michaels up from an XTI
• 47:54
  Highly doubt. Like, you know, and then the
• 47:56
  kind of guys that are retiring now you've got kind of
• 47:58
  Undertaker doing his own thing. You're never going to get a John
• 48:00
  Cena in there. So like, yeah, there's not
• 48:03
  there's not that many people left.
• 48:05
  I don't think like at the minute, like who could kind of
• 48:08
  bring much to that role, if that makes sense.
• 48:12
  If you're going to absolutely make them, because I feel like
• 48:14
  the German does now aren't really like the odd characters,
• 48:17
  but they're not really characters like how it used to
• 48:19
  be in the past. That makes sense, no?
• 48:20
  But we've talked about how that's kind of worked for a
• 48:22
  while. I think like until recently,
• 48:24
  like Adam, PS and Nick, all this have been a good job of being
• 48:27
  there. And I think I used it as kind of
• 48:28
  like a kind of usually referring to comedies, like compare
• 48:32
  whether it was kind of there in the background moving things
• 48:34
  along. And sometimes if you don't
• 48:35
  notice them that much, then they're doing the job very
• 48:36
  fucking well. But yeah, has been a bit more
• 48:38
  evident, especially in like the build up to WrestleMania with
• 48:41
  Pat McAfee. Obviously all this was kind of
• 48:43
  front and centre without at times.
• 48:45
  So yeah, it's. It does seem that it's changed a
• 48:47
  bit. And the I feel the Duke come
• 48:50
  across is quite legit. General managers, we all know
• 48:53
  they're not really, they're no matter, right?
• 48:54
  It's all the work, storyline that playing characters board
• 48:56
  the Duke come across is quite legit and quite played straight,
• 48:59
  which is cool. I feel if you were to get rid of
• 49:02
  one of them then I would go the opposite and maybe bring in a
• 49:04
  JBL to be an absolute heel bastard GM.
• 49:07
  JB I'll be a good one. Like when I was saying this,
• 49:09
  like who are these kind of older, older guys that could
• 49:12
  come in? JB I'll be quite an interesting
• 49:14
  one. Yeah, I would like to see that.
• 49:15
  Yeah, that's that's not a bad shout and.
• 49:17
  Then my last negative of the week was and it's just like I
• 49:23
  get it's funny but like the fucking gingerbread man fucking
• 49:27
  funeral what the fuck are we doing?
• 49:29
  Yeah, I think you're right. Again, it's kind of out state.
• 49:33
  It's welcome. I think what's what's he called?
• 49:36
  Joe Festados was quite funny with it, the way he was doing
• 49:39
  it. But yeah, it's done.
• 49:40
  And I think they're much of backlash now.
• 49:43
  It has to be serious. Like I don't even like because
• 49:47
  obviously on the leading up there at the minute they've got
• 49:49
  Wally kind of will be with him again.
• 49:52
  Like I think he needs to be taken out of it this week on
• 49:54
  Smackdown as well. I think like you've had your
• 49:56
  phone, you've had your title change.
• 49:58
  If you're going to go all in on the kind of double turn, this
• 50:00
  needs to be a kind of hard hitting serious match.
• 50:03
  Come back. Actually, I absolutely right.
• 50:04
  The gingerbread man stuff is done.
• 50:07
  Like I didn't mind like up until this week it was fine.
• 50:10
  Like they use it the mock Sammy. It was funny.
• 50:12
  Like it was actually it was good.
• 50:13
  They usually where man was being used well and it was a good
• 50:15
  thing. Then this week Sammy coming out
• 50:17
  with a the dead version of it and then fighting it, losing his
• 50:21
  mind. And then Nick Aldus again, like
• 50:23
  not playing it straight, almost going, Oh yeah, we're going to
• 50:25
  have a funeral for him next week.
• 50:27
  It's like the whole point is that we're trying to turn Sammy
• 50:30
  heel right and turn and get tricky, tricky Williams to be to
• 50:35
  be faced right. This makes me want to side with
• 50:37
  Sammy because he's fucking right.
• 50:38
  We shouldn't be having fucking a funeral.
• 50:40
  Swedish Birdman. No, you're right.
• 50:42
  Yeah, no, it is it's it's it's out there something that was
• 50:45
  good, which I think do we can be guilty of as where something
• 50:47
  kind of works. So then we'll get a death and
• 50:49
  that's it. It's been done.
• 50:50
  It's done now. So let's say it needs to be
• 50:52
  moved on from and it needs to be like a really hard hitting
• 50:54
  serious match. And I think they need to just
• 50:56
  like, like, you know, flip the switch on both of them where
• 50:59
  like I say, come, come next week, Smackdown, you've got
• 51:02
  fully faced Trick William, fully heal Sam Museum, which I think
• 51:05
  they're going to because obviously you had a little bit
• 51:07
  of Sammy and Cody interacting again.
• 51:09
  So I think you've got that feud coming as well.
• 51:12
  And I hope they do drop because I had Trick really talking about
• 51:15
  the German man in the funeral, like trying to sell it.
• 51:17
  And I was like, you're making him look like a chump now.
• 51:20
  Like Trick Williams is $1,000,000.
• 51:22
  He looks the part. He talks apart.
• 51:24
  He's the he's a perfect pro wrestler, right?
• 51:26
  In terms of like what you see is what you get and what he sounds
• 51:29
  like is what you get. Then have them try and spew this
• 51:32
  off. Now I'm thinking you're going to
• 51:33
  damage them if you're not careful.
• 51:35
  No, you're right, actually, yeah.
• 51:39
  But yeah, that was my neighbors of the week and I think with
• 51:41
  that, we're ready to go to. Did they really say that?
• 51:44
  We did. We are indeed.
• 51:45
  So I've, I've gone for it this week.
• 51:48
  So I kind of give you a bit of context on this.
• 51:51
  Did you see that MGF and Val Venus have been having a bit of
• 51:56
  a war of words? I did.
• 51:58
  I've quite enjoyed reading about this actually, it's made me
• 52:01
  smile quite a bit. I have as well because I think
• 52:03
  it actually does raise like an interesting point, which
• 52:08
  obviously I'll get to once I say so I'll I'll go with their Val
• 52:10
  Venus's quote. So this was something Val Venus
• 52:12
  has put out I think today. So he said because obviously
• 52:16
  been going on a while, but this is the quote that I want to go
• 52:17
  for. So this is from Val Venus.
• 52:19
  So let me get this straight. The salt of the Earth pushed by
• 52:22
  a billionaire's broadcast machine can barely draw 600,000
• 52:27
  viewers per week on a good week, yet he tries to drag the man,
• 52:30
  the myth, the legend, the big Valvolski Val Venus, Salt of the
• 52:34
  Earth is out here attempting to drag a man who was performing
• 52:37
  week in week out in front of 5 to 8 million viewers on Monday
• 52:41
  Night Raw during the greatest era in wrestling history, the
• 52:44
  Attitude Era, whilst also tearing it up on multiple house
• 52:48
  shows across the country night after night for years.
• 52:51
  The Midget Hebrew who lost to the commie CM Punk is trying to
• 52:54
  drag the man who not only beats CM Punk on them, not only puts
• 52:58
  CM Punk on the map, but remains undefeated against him.
• 53:02
  Stop. When you grow up and break a
• 53:05
  million viewers consistently like the legends of the Attitude
• 53:07
  Era, then I might take notice. Until then, keep my name out of
• 53:11
  your mouth, kid. Do.
• 53:15
  You all think I love about it is that like I think he's having, I
• 53:19
  think Val Borsky's having fun with this.
• 53:21
  That's like a promo basically. And don't get wrong, what you
• 53:24
  see in there is there's a lot of truth to you know, to like like
• 53:29
  the viewers of Raw, the house show was selling out night after
• 53:32
  night. You know, the one of the biggest
• 53:34
  eras in wrestling history. It was obviously it wasn't just
• 53:37
  him doing it as wrong. It was the whole the whole
• 53:38
  machine right was doing that. Not just not just Big Wabowski,
• 53:41
  but I do feel like he's he's almost in characters Big
• 53:47
  Wabowski. I don't know what your thoughts
• 53:50
  are. I feel he is being a bit of a
• 53:51
  troll here in terms of an entertaining troll.
• 53:54
  Yeah, I think to an extent, definitely.
• 53:57
  Obviously we'll talk about Valor because we had him for a moment
• 54:00
  in time match didn't when he does have some kind of out there
• 54:03
  views that definitely aren't at work.
• 54:05
  But I just thought like, yeah, I thought it's an interesting
• 54:07
  point because obviously he is. You know, the AW struggled to
• 54:12
  struggle to hit a million. Obviously Val was part of a
• 54:14
  roster kind of a massive period in wrestling, wrestling history,
• 54:19
  if not the biggest kind of period.
• 54:21
  He was used on the show a lot, you know, memorable storylines
• 54:26
  were better or worse, you know, with Kai and Thai
• 54:28
  Intercontinental Champion, you know, hello ladies.
• 54:30
  He was a big. Part of that Attitude Era.
• 54:32
  So like, do you think, let's say he's being deadly?
• 54:34
  Serious. Like, how valid are his points
• 54:38
  in an argument against if you kind of had to say, you know who
• 54:41
  won that argument? Because I feel like he's kind of
• 54:44
  right. Like, yeah, we live in a
• 54:45
  different world where, you know, viewers aren't, you know, people
• 54:49
  don't watch and consume TV in the same way that they did
• 54:51
  during the Attitude Era. But I think you know is Val
• 54:56
  right? I think Val is right.
• 54:58
  I think like everything he said is pretty much the truth, I
• 55:03
  think. Does that mean that?
• 55:06
  What MGF and what AW is doing is insignificant.
• 55:12
  No, but I think everything else seems right.
• 55:15
  And like, yeah, when you were a part of that, you know, such a
• 55:19
  huge time and pro wrestling history, like nobody can come at
• 55:24
  you because. Because what he's just said
• 55:26
  there, the facts back him up. Do you know what I mean?
• 55:28
  No, 100% and one of the kind of, you know, again, you don't know
• 55:31
  how much of A work this is and how much the kind of in Cara,
• 55:34
  but one of the kind of things MGF used as a retort as he used
• 55:37
  the Cody Rhodes tweet against Disco Inferno.
• 55:40
  Essentially just saying that like, you know, you just rode
• 55:42
  the coat tails of the boys and you never drew a dime.
• 55:46
  But the way. That's right.
• 55:46
  With our Venus, like we've said with with toe bomb a little bit,
• 55:49
  you know, I think Val Venus did draw money.
• 55:51
  He's never a main event there, but I do feel like he was
• 55:53
  someone that people were excited to see on the show.
• 55:57
  Yeah, I think, you know, I think Val, with Val, you know, we
• 55:59
  always look shredded. He was in great shape.
• 56:01
  We took care of his body. He looked like a pro wrestler.
• 56:03
  You know, he could cut the promo, he could wrestle.
• 56:06
  You work different people, you know, a moment in time match
• 56:09
  with Rikishi for the IC title inside a cage, fantastic.
• 56:11
  You know, he worked with Alba, he worked with Test, you know,
• 56:15
  he worked with Kai and Thai. He did storylines as well as
• 56:18
  matches. So he, he was about and he was,
• 56:20
  you know, he was, he was doing lots.
• 56:24
  Yeah, no, definitely. So yeah, I just think it would
• 56:25
  thought it was, you know, I was like it when people get into
• 56:28
  these little kind of, you know, spats online.
• 56:30
  But I think about Venus is someone who kind of because of
• 56:32
  his kind of, you know, more out there views on the world.
• 56:35
  I think people will probably be quite quickly discredit them.
• 56:38
  But, you know, if you take that state, you know, that quote that
• 56:41
  will have read out there face value, he's, you know, stopping
• 56:44
  when he's lying and he speaks a lot of truth.
• 56:47
  Why I often is because he I thought like I thought he was
• 56:49
  having a bit of fun of he was telling the truth, but also like
• 56:53
  all that stuff he's got backed up in his brain.
• 56:54
  So as soon as someone pokes the bear, he's just ready with the
• 56:57
  retort because he knows it all. Yeah, and like I say, a lot of
• 57:01
  it's right. I don't get the hopes and punks
• 57:02
  to call me like, but maybe that's a conversation for
• 57:05
  another day. Maybe it is, yes, maybe it is,
• 57:09
  but no, I think I think that's a great one to pick sex.
• 57:11
  I have been reading this week and I was quite enjoying it and
• 57:14
  that's thing with all he's made that Val's response, I feel it
• 57:19
  was quite entertaining, interesting.
• 57:22
  It also didn't come across as bitter.
• 57:24
  It came across as quite like quite, you know, being proud.
• 57:29
  No, definitely. And I think the house show
• 57:31
  comments is right. Like, you know, I think it is
• 57:35
  better now that they were considerably less days because
• 57:37
  it's it's just not right on the human body.
• 57:39
  But yeah, you know, he was part, he was in the trenches, you
• 57:42
  know, in the Monday Night Wars. You know, he was doing those
• 57:44
  fucking five house shows a week. Do you know pay per views Rose
• 57:48
  smackdown? So yeah, you know, he's he's
• 57:50
  he's, I bet he's, you know, his match count will be a lot higher
• 57:53
  than MGFS. Certainly will be.
• 57:57
  So yeah, I just thought that was a good little fun one for the
• 57:59
  week. It certainly was, thank you very
• 58:01
  much. And I think we're ready for
• 58:02
  Cursed by the Wrestling Gods. So it's where we talk about a
• 58:05
  gimmick, a person, a career. It could be a match type.
• 58:09
  So far we've just chosen people, and it's a person again today.
• 58:13
  And the idea is that we just dissect the time in wrestling to
• 58:17
  talk about whether maybe they didn't quite hit their
• 58:19
  potential. And this week I've chosen Mason
• 58:23
  Ryan. So for those who are doing
• 58:25
  always probably more serious, being in the New Nexus, when I
• 58:28
  say Mason Ryan, look who do you think of?
• 58:31
  The big Welsh guy who was part of the ship version of the
• 58:35
  Nexus. That's that's my memory of Mason
• 58:38
  Ryan. So you're referring to the new
• 58:40
  Nexus as the shit Nexus? Yeah, with CM Punk as the
• 58:44
  leader. And you know, we love punk, but
• 58:47
  yeah, that was kind of it. Again, WE running with something
• 58:51
  that was good for a while and running far too long, the Nexus.
• 58:54
  And then, you know, if you want to put the core in there, which
• 58:56
  we've talked about a bit with Barrett is definitely one of
• 58:58
  them. Indeed, and the thing with the
• 59:00
  New Nexus and the cause art, there was some like good
• 59:03
  wrestlers in here who had potential, but obviously it's a
• 59:07
  bit of a stinky, stinky area at the Bay, which isn't good.
• 59:09
  But when I think of Mason Ryan, I think, you know, the guy's 6
• 59:12
  foot 5, he's nearly 300 lbs as he's build weight.
• 59:15
  You know he's a big Jack beast, wasn't he?
• 59:18
  Oh, it was huge. Yeah.
• 59:19
  That's I, I can't right remember his like his debut because I
• 59:22
  think it was like when me and you used to like stay up and
• 59:24
  watch it and I remember him debut and I think it was before
• 59:27
  your NXT days. So it was kind of like, oh the
• 59:30
  fuck's this? He's massive.
• 59:31
  So it was like a bit of a surprise when you saw him
• 59:33
  because he didn't know who he was.
• 59:34
  He was just this fucking, as you've said, huge Jack guy.
• 59:37
  So there was definitely intrigue on the debut.
• 59:40
  Wasn't he? And he's only in WE for around 5
• 59:42
  years and some of those are in FCW and then he comes to the
• 59:46
  Roar and then he then he goes back to at Yenzi's career on the
• 59:48
  next day almost, which he, he does a backwards almost which
• 59:52
  I'll get into. But yeah, around being 6 foot 5,
• 59:55
  you know, he's 9300 lbs. He was a jacked beast.
• 59:57
  One of my favorite things ever. I remember being at Yours St. up
• 59:59
  late and on commentary somebody said that Mason Ryan was a
• 1:00:04
  international Welsh rugby player but he got banned from it
• 1:00:09
  because he was injuring too many of his own team mates in
• 1:00:12
  training. Someone we knew said that.
• 1:00:14
  The WE said that. The WE said on commentary all.
• 1:00:17
  Right. I thought, I thought it was the
• 1:00:20
  way that I said that, but I thought I heard you say.
• 1:00:22
  Someone we were watching it with because it me mine immediately
• 1:00:24
  went to Stefan there. But no, that's fine.
• 1:00:26
  Yeah. Do we did say that, Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  So that wasn't real, was it? You never played rugby.
• 1:00:30
  Well, somebody paid will be a lot.
• 1:00:31
  Obviously I knew it wasn't real, but the fact that like I just
• 1:00:34
  laughed at how much the company team put it over as fucked.
• 1:00:36
  And obviously because it's like American broadcasting, no one in
• 1:00:39
  America really likes rugby union.
• 1:00:42
  I can watch all the American rugby union fans come at me now
• 1:00:45
  in the current sport. But yeah, so they got away with
• 1:00:47
  that one. But he did play football.
• 1:00:50
  This is true, I've found out. So he was AI believe he was a
• 1:00:57
  centre half, a centre back, yes, for Porthmadog FC, but he had a
• 1:01:02
  knee injury which curtailed his career.
• 1:01:05
  So that's obviously a Welsh team there.
• 1:01:07
  I quite like how like. WV, you know, love a good
• 1:01:10
  stereotype where like even with the Welshman, the like, yeah, he
• 1:01:12
  played rugby. It was either that or he fought
• 1:01:14
  Dragons. Like even with the Welsh like
• 1:01:16
  there's still that little bit of stereotype in there, isn't
• 1:01:18
  there? They've just googled what what
• 1:01:20
  Welsh people known for rugby, right?
• 1:01:22
  I was former rugby player. Let's go with that.
• 1:01:25
  Well, yes, so Mason Ryan was born Barry Griffiths.
• 1:01:29
  Obviously. Barry spelled BARRI very Welsh.
• 1:01:33
  He's 44 years old now. He's billed as being a stunt
• 1:01:38
  performer, actor and former professional wrestler.
• 1:01:40
  He's best known for his time in DEA, of course, where he
• 1:01:42
  performed as Mason Ryan. He was with the WE till 2009 to
• 1:01:47
  2014. That include a run in FCW first.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah, I'm just going to sort of run through that.
• 1:01:55
  So he began training to be a professional wrestler in 2006
• 1:02:00
  after attending a wrestling show with a friend.
• 1:02:03
  And this was all in in in Birkenhead and in the UK.
• 1:02:10
  He then also appeared on Gladiators.
• 1:02:13
  So when Garia has returned to UK viewing, he wrestled on that as
• 1:02:20
  I believe he's called Goliath. Makes sense Let.
• 1:02:26
  Me. Just double check.
• 1:02:27
  Yes, He appeared as Goliath on Gladiators in 2009, which is
• 1:02:32
  pretty interesting. Obviously there's been a few
• 1:02:33
  wrestlers do Gary as is back again right now in the UK and
• 1:02:37
  the USI know that a couple of AW wrestlers have done the US
• 1:02:40
  version of Gary as recently. That's why I thought that.
• 1:02:42
  Was interesting. Mrs. Horse did it as well, isn't
• 1:02:45
  he? I believe so, yes.
• 1:02:46
  So you know, there's wrestling all over the Gary as in in 2009
• 1:02:50
  it was it was no different. But yes.
• 1:02:54
  So in 2009, he signs A5 year contract with the WWE.
• 1:02:59
  When he gets his work visa, he debuts in Florida Championship
• 1:03:02
  Wrestling. So for those who don't know, FCW
• 1:03:04
  was of course the early developmental territory.
• 1:03:07
  So before NXT was a thing, it was Florida Championship
• 1:03:10
  Wrestling and he debuts there in January 2010.
• 1:03:14
  He's called Mason Ryan straightway when he's there and
• 1:03:16
  he competes against wrestlers like Johnny Curtis, who was of
• 1:03:19
  course Fandango, Tyler Rex, Johnny Prime and Hunigo.
• 1:03:25
  They're all sort of in Florida Championship Wrestling at the
• 1:03:27
  same time, which is pretty cool. And on the 22nd of July, he wins
• 1:03:32
  a triple threat match against the defending champion Alex
• 1:03:35
  Riley, who I've just mentioned. And Johnny Curtis, he pins Riley
• 1:03:38
  and he wins the FCW Florida Heavyweight Championship for the
• 1:03:42
  first time. Obviously over the next few
• 1:03:44
  months after that he successfully defends the
• 1:03:46
  championship against the wrestlers, including Boratundo,
• 1:03:48
  who is of course Bor Dallas, who has of course just been Uncle
• 1:03:51
  Howdy who's just been released, Ritchie Steamboat, of course,
• 1:03:54
  Son of Ricky the Dragon and Eli Cottonwood.
• 1:03:57
  And at Tateman's for FCW Television on 2nd of September
• 1:04:02
  he defends the championship against Johnny Curtis again and
• 1:04:08
  there's some sort of cool little storylines going on there.
• 1:04:10
  In November 2010 he tours Europe with the Smackdown brand.
• 1:04:14
  He wrestles travel to Guerrero on that tour and he defeats
• 1:04:18
  travel in Belfast in November and in Liverpool in November as
• 1:04:23
  well. Obviously he's on untelverised
• 1:04:25
  matches, but you know, he's getting the rub of the green
• 1:04:27
  from legend like travel Guerrero.
• 1:04:29
  And then he loses the Florida Heavyweight Championship to
• 1:04:32
  Boratunda, who was of course Bora Dallas, ending his 6 1/2
• 1:04:37
  month reign in February of 2011. And that is because he gets
• 1:04:40
  called up to Monday Night Raw and he's on Raw 2011 to 2012.
• 1:04:44
  So yes, he makes his television debut in January 2011.
• 1:04:47
  He interferes in a match between CM Punk and John Cena.
• 1:04:50
  So two of the greats here. Following his interference, Punk
• 1:04:53
  presented him with a Nexus armband indicating inducting him
• 1:04:57
  into the group. Ryan then participated in the
• 1:04:59
  2011 Royal Rumble match. In February, he has his debut
• 1:05:04
  match on Roy loses the R Truthfire disqualification,
• 1:05:06
  again, another legend like R Truthy who he's working with.
• 1:05:09
  And in late February, it's announced that Punk would face
• 1:05:11
  Randy Orton at WrestleMania, with each member of The Nexus
• 1:05:14
  facing Orton to win the right to accompany Punk in the ring.
• 1:05:18
  In the weeks leading up to WrestleMania.
• 1:05:20
  Ryan was the final member to face Orton but lost that match
• 1:05:23
  on the 14th of March episode of Raw.
• 1:05:27
  Following that match, Orton punts Mason whine in the head.
• 1:05:29
  So we get that famous Orton punt.
• 1:05:31
  So again, he's rubbing shoulders with all the big guns.
• 1:05:33
  He's taking all the big guns, big moves, which is all pretty
• 1:05:35
  cool. He's absent from television
• 1:05:37
  finale a month and he returns in April.
• 1:05:42
  He attacks Orton, preventing him from earning a WE championship
• 1:05:45
  match and in May that sort of dies down.
• 1:05:48
  He loses the cane by disqualification following
• 1:05:51
  interference with Punk and then he goes on to attack both Kane
• 1:05:55
  and big Show over the limit pay-per-view.
• 1:05:58
  In May, Ryan and Punk challenge Big show and came for attacking
• 1:06:01
  championships. The unsuccessful the following
• 1:06:03
  month he suffers an injury and he's absent from television to
• 1:06:06
  recuperate. So getting that time period, you
• 1:06:09
  know, he's he's he's working with CM Punk, he's working
• 1:06:11
  against the likes of Kane, the big show, Randy Orton.
• 1:06:15
  He's been working with R truth, working with John Cena.
• 1:06:17
  You know, these are all Hall of Fame.
• 1:06:18
  I was right here. He's working with fantastic.
• 1:06:20
  He returns from industry at a house show in Jackson, Ms. in
• 1:06:23
  late August and he made his television return in September
• 1:06:27
  on WE Superstars, defeating the legendary JTG.
• 1:06:32
  September on Roy is chosen by Vicky Guerrero as a partner for
• 1:06:35
  Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler in a six man tag match against
• 1:06:37
  Zack Ryder and Air Boom. Of course, that is the team of
• 1:06:40
  Evan Born and Kofi Kingston. So again, he's working some of
• 1:06:43
  the best workers in the WE at this time.
• 1:06:45
  You know, when you think of Jack Swagger, Ziggler, Mark Cardona,
• 1:06:49
  you know, Evan Bourne, Kofi, he's working with these guys and
• 1:06:53
  Ryan turns on Swagger and Ziggler and he turns face.
• 1:06:57
  The following week on Raw, he teams with Air Boom, Sheamus,
• 1:07:00
  Sam Pumpkin, John Cena in a 12 man tag match.
• 1:07:02
  And it sounds like something of a dream of of a Smackdown
• 1:07:05
  Journal managers here. And he defeats the team of
• 1:07:08
  Alberto Del Rio, Christian, Cody Rhodes, David Otunga, Ziggler
• 1:07:11
  and Swagger. And he begins feuding with
• 1:07:14
  Ziggler, the pay trade wins virus qualification.
• 1:07:19
  Ryan was actually part of Team Orton at Survivor Series in
• 1:07:21
  November and he was eliminated by Cody Rhodes.
• 1:07:24
  So again, he's working with all these fantastic workers at the
• 1:07:26
  time and future Hall of Famers 2012, though he gets sent back
• 1:07:30
  down to NXT. So yes, obviously NXT becomes
• 1:07:36
  the NXT that we now and also it's rebranded the developmental
• 1:07:38
  system. He returns in November for
• 1:07:40
  Howard shows and he debuts on the rebooting NXT show and
• 1:07:43
  begins his singles winning streak.
• 1:07:46
  He defeats a guy called Sakamoto.
• 1:07:48
  I can't remember who that is but he defeats Sakamoto.
• 1:07:50
  He has a feud against Enzo Mori and Colin Cassidy.
• 1:07:52
  Of course Big Cass he easy defeats him in the singles
• 1:07:55
  matches. He lost them in a honeycat
• 1:07:57
  match. Mason was then really used on
• 1:07:59
  WWE television until he had his final televised match on the
• 1:08:03
  24th of April 2014 episode of NXT in a losing effort to a #1
• 1:08:08
  contender for that NCA Championship match on by the 33
• 1:08:12
  able supported that he'd been released from WWE.
• 1:08:15
  He does going to have a little run on the independence from
• 1:08:17
  2014 to 2015. Obviously this isn't an
• 1:08:20
  independent sector that we have now.
• 1:08:22
  So you know the companies are mainly American Pro Wrestling
• 1:08:27
  Alliance and Wrestle sport where he does win a couple of
• 1:08:30
  heavyweight championships. He does defeat Adam Pierce to
• 1:08:33
  become the first Wrestle Sport heavyweight champion.
• 1:08:38
  He does have one appearance for TNA in 2015, and he does wrestle
• 1:08:42
  in Japan for Inoki's Genomi Federation in 2015 as well.
• 1:08:46
  And then he's wrestling Priat comes around in 2015.
• 1:08:49
  It's sort of that independent run in the TNA appearance.
• 1:08:52
  In the Japan appearance are very mine and don't really go
• 1:08:55
  anywhere, but he joins the Cirque del Soleil Soleil.
• 1:09:00
  I think I've said that correctly, which is of course a
• 1:09:03
  big thing in Las Vegas. He joins there in 2016 and he's
• 1:09:06
  still there now, I believe he you know, he lives in Vegas.
• 1:09:09
  He has his his family, his wife, you know, he's a big part of the
• 1:09:14
  Cirque de Soleil as of right now.
• 1:09:16
  So, you know, it's good to see Mason Ryan not have a tragic
• 1:09:20
  end. You know, he's he's he's alive
• 1:09:21
  and he's he's making good money and he's working every week
• 1:09:25
  doing that show. What's your thought?
• 1:09:28
  Everything I've just said about Mason, Ryan, Luke?
• 1:09:30
  So, yeah, like I said, obviously at the Nexus, being in the new
• 1:09:33
  Nexus with Punk was that I kind of remembered kind of all the
• 1:09:35
  stuff after not so much. So like kind of being in those
• 1:09:38
  Survivor Series matches, kind of being in there with Cody.
• 1:09:41
  And then for someone who kind of professes to be a massive NXT
• 1:09:44
  fan, I had no, I've got no memory of him ever having that
• 1:09:48
  NXT run. So yeah, interesting.
• 1:09:50
  Because of obviously he's a guy who's brought in, he's got the
• 1:09:52
  look, you put him in there with some kind of big guns as the
• 1:09:55
  kind of guy who's eating a lot of pins but still look good.
• 1:09:58
  It goes back to NXT. You think it's not the worst
• 1:10:00
  thing in the world. It's kind of a hot product at
• 1:10:01
  the time if he's in there with big cast and Enzo.
• 1:10:04
  But then yeah, then that never really kind of pipe works out
• 1:10:07
  for him. So I think he's someone who kind
• 1:10:09
  of falls into that curse by the wrestling gods because there's a
• 1:10:11
  lot of Mebby's potential, missed potential.
• 1:10:14
  And I think it's just, I mean, he was a big guy, but that's
• 1:10:18
  kind of all he had gone for him doing it.
• 1:10:20
  I can't, I can't picture like here in my head what he even
• 1:10:24
  sounds like. Considering he's Welsh, you
• 1:10:26
  think that might have a bit more of a memory?
• 1:10:27
  So I can't remember how many opportunities he got on the mic.
• 1:10:31
  But yeah, I think he was someone who's was maybe he's at the back
• 1:10:33
  end, wasn't he of that kind of big guy?
• 1:10:37
  Let's just push some type of thing where you don't get it as
• 1:10:40
  much now. Yeah, you're absolutely right
• 1:10:43
  there. I think the guy looked
• 1:10:44
  $1,000,000. Like I said, he was, you know,
• 1:10:46
  six 593 lbs. He was shredded.
• 1:10:48
  You know, like as in he had ABS on ABS on ABS or his arm muscles
• 1:10:52
  were huge. You know, he's he's got that Lex
• 1:10:54
  Luger look, almost sudden Lex Luger's prime.
• 1:10:57
  And you know, he's in here working with the likes of John
• 1:10:58
  Cena, CM Punk around Jordan. He's working with the workers of
• 1:11:02
  his time, Kobe Kingston, Makadona Ziggler, you know, like
• 1:11:08
  he's still in the enemy comes like NXT.
• 1:11:10
  He's working with all those guys who are going to be the next big
• 1:11:11
  thing NXT, right. When you think about how over
• 1:11:14
  big cuss and Enzo Mori were, you know he's he's working with
• 1:11:17
  them, but Sally doesn't go anywhere.
• 1:11:19
  So I think cursed by wrestling gods, I think just his look
• 1:11:23
  alone, he had a lot of potential and then he got to rub shoulders
• 1:11:26
  with a lot of grits. You know, work in travel on how
• 1:11:28
  it shows how much can you learn from them with travel Guerra and
• 1:11:30
  how it shows you can learn so much, right, You know, so I
• 1:11:33
  think he had lots of opportunity and he worked with a lot of the
• 1:11:36
  greats and a lot of great wrestlers feature Hall of Fame
• 1:11:38
  as and current Hall of Fame as and then sadly doesn't go
• 1:11:42
  anywhere. But luckily for him, and a happy
• 1:11:43
  thing he said, he works for the the Circle.
• 1:11:48
  And I've seen slaves twice, actually.
• 1:11:50
  Yeah, the good stuff. So, you know, I think he's found
• 1:11:54
  his niche and he's doing it well, by the sounds of it.
• 1:11:56
  I did see he resides in Las Vegas, but he actually resides
• 1:11:59
  in Florida. I've misread that, so apologies.
• 1:12:01
  That's a correction. But it's just so.
• 1:12:04
  In 2011, he was ranked #119 in the top 500 singles wrestlers in
• 1:12:09
  the PWI 500. But you know, fair enough.
• 1:12:13
  But like, I was it, that's a weird list. 500 wrestlers.
• 1:12:15
  That's a lot, isn't it? Like I'll be, you know, I'll
• 1:12:20
  never be on that list. So fair play it anyone who has
• 1:12:22
  been. But like, yeah, I mean, 100,
• 1:12:24
  what do you see? Was 191. 11900 and 19. 119, so
• 1:12:29
  higher than that, but what does that even mean?
• 1:12:31
  Like what are the metrics? I probably don't want to know.
• 1:12:34
  So it's like, yeah, it's it's a 41.
• 1:12:36
  But yeah, I think he's kind of someone who maybe he's never got
• 1:12:38
  a chance at a singles run after the Nexus broke up because
• 1:12:42
  there's a part of his that thinks there's a similarity to
• 1:12:44
  him and Ezekiel Jackson. And like, you know, Jackson was
• 1:12:47
  the heater of the core. Mason Ryan was brought into the
• 1:12:50
  new Nexus as like the heater of that group.
• 1:12:51
  Jackson obviously got an IC title run after that kind of
• 1:12:55
  dissolved. Mason Ryan never got that.
• 1:12:56
  So maybe it was just he never got given the opportunity kind
• 1:13:00
  of as that singles run. But yeah, I think he was someone
• 1:13:03
  who probably was very kind of high up on Vince McMahon's list
• 1:13:05
  because of the luck that we've talked about.
• 1:13:08
  But yeah, like you say, I mean, you know, often when we talk
• 1:13:10
  about cursed by wrestling gods, people who kind of fizzle out,
• 1:13:12
  there is sometimes a tragic end. But no, by all means, like
• 1:13:15
  Cirque du Soleil is huge that I say.
• 1:13:16
  I mean, I've seen it twice, the two at Newcastle once.
• 1:13:19
  And I went and I went and watched it at Downtown Disney
• 1:13:22
  where they had a residence. And I think they still do at
• 1:13:24
  Disney Springs. So yeah, you know, he's still
• 1:13:26
  working for one of the massive entertainment companies in the
• 1:13:28
  in in the world. He's been there a while now,
• 1:13:31
  right since 2016. So he's obviously found his
• 1:13:33
  niche and he enjoys it and he's found his place, which is
• 1:13:35
  fantastic. And I said hopefully good money,
• 1:13:37
  fingers crossed for him. He said it.
• 1:13:39
  Was start. He's 44, do you know what I
• 1:13:41
  mean? He's not old like this.
• 1:13:43
  He's still a young guy. So yeah, who knows, there might
• 1:13:45
  still be a spot in Wrestling Forum at some point.
• 1:13:49
  Exactly. But I think the B with the
• 1:13:50
  company for only 2009 to 2014 obviously.
• 1:13:54
  And like I said, for the first like 2 years about the B in FCW,
• 1:13:58
  then it come up and automatically be working with
• 1:14:00
  Cena, Punk, Randy, you know, that's that's the dream.
• 1:14:06
  And think about how things will be different.
• 1:14:07
  Let's just save him. And Punk could beat Kane and Big
• 1:14:09
  Show for the tag belts. Does that put on a little run
• 1:14:11
  with them? Does he learn a bit more and
• 1:14:13
  does he get himself a bit more over maybe?
• 1:14:15
  Yeah, that's where he's one of those sliding door moments of
• 1:14:18
  that we're like often we're talk about this a bit with Ron
• 1:14:20
  Simmons. Last week we had a few icy title
• 1:14:23
  nailies, world title match against Tiga.
• 1:14:26
  If he just gets one of them, what does his career then look
• 1:14:28
  like? And yeah, tag team, Romo, Punk,
• 1:14:30
  who knows? Yeah, that could have been that
• 1:14:31
  thing that did. Would.
• 1:14:33
  Have helped elevate them to that next level where people might,
• 1:14:35
  maybe, you know, the people that might have saw something behind
• 1:14:38
  the scenes that never quite got realized.
• 1:14:41
  No, it is. It is indeed so.
• 1:14:44
  I believe in the Cirque del Soler.
• 1:14:46
  He is the chief Archer of CAR. So Car is a show by Cirque del
• 1:14:50
  Soleil at The MGM Grand in Las Vegas, NV.
• 1:14:53
  Car describes the story of the coming of the age of a young man
• 1:14:56
  and a young woman through their encounters of love, conflict and
• 1:15:00
  the duality of Car. The fire that can unite or
• 1:15:03
  separate, destroy or illuminate. So he's still telling stories,
• 1:15:08
  which is great to see. Yeah, and I see, I've seen that.
• 1:15:11
  I've seen two different shows twice from them and it's it's
• 1:15:14
  incredibly impressive, very, very athletic.
• 1:15:16
  And there's similar wrestling. There's not a lot of room for
• 1:15:19
  error in the things that they do.
• 1:15:21
  So now it's a very impressive thing to have gone into.
• 1:15:24
  It is indeed. It's not brings an end to Cursed
• 1:15:27
  by the wrestling Gods that takes us to a pro wrestling feel good
• 1:15:30
  fact of the week, Luke, but I hear you.
• 1:15:32
  Beautiful. Facts.
• 1:15:34
  Well, what happened? The moment in time?
• 1:15:36
  Oh. Well, haven't we missed a gun
• 1:15:39
  everywhere? You're jumping for, you're too
• 1:15:41
  excited for backlash. That's why I want to get the
• 1:15:44
  backlash facts. So for those who don't know, the
• 1:15:46
  poorest and few good facts that we got backlash facts, but we
• 1:15:51
  have absolutely missed a moment in time, which is usually your
• 1:15:53
  second segment. So we'll go back and do that
• 1:15:55
  now, then come back to backlash. Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  So moment in time, yeah, we'll do that because I thought, you
• 1:16:01
  know, we normally do that after the positives and negatives, but
• 1:16:03
  I was just putting me faith in you that we're going to do it.
• 1:16:06
  We're switching things up. So, yeah.
• 1:16:09
  But good job I'm here, right? Hey, Bob.
• 1:16:11
  Hey, we've got to keep the distance on the toes, right?
• 1:16:13
  Well, exactly, I didn't want people missing out a moment in
• 1:16:15
  time, so I'll jump straight into it.
• 1:16:18
  So the batch of pick this week, so obviously, you know, what was
• 1:16:21
  going for a match so far is the Shield versus Evolution in a no
• 1:16:25
  holds elimination match. Now, when I thought first
• 1:16:28
  thought of this match, I was like, I remember this.
• 1:16:30
  Obviously you know, it's two of the biggest groups of all time
• 1:16:32
  kind of coming head to head. And now I thought, I don't think
• 1:16:35
  it was actually that long ago. It was from Payback in 2014.
• 1:16:38
  It was 12 years ago. Did you think it was that long
• 1:16:40
  ago? I didn't because times we had,
• 1:16:44
  especially when you are, I think we're like things that seem five
• 1:16:47
  years ago, actually like, yeah, over a decade ago now.
• 1:16:50
  Yeah. So I think I would have said 10
• 1:16:51
  at an absolute push, but no, this is 12 years ago, Payback
• 1:16:54
  2014. So I say the match we're going
• 1:16:56
  to focus on is the Shield versus Evolution, but we'll have a
• 1:16:58
  quick rundown of the card and the pay-per-view itself.
• 1:17:01
  So it was held on June 1st, 2014.
• 1:17:04
  I say I thought it was a lot more recent than that.
• 1:17:07
  You had JBL Lowland call on comms.
• 1:17:10
  That kind of data in itself, because I think it's been a long
• 1:17:12
  time since Jerry Lawler has been trusted near Booth.
• 1:17:16
  Do you ever think we'll ever get Jerry Lawler back, even if it's
• 1:17:18
  a one off? Because I think he's done with
• 1:17:19
  WE me. I agree.
• 1:17:22
  I think he's done with debris, which is a shame.
• 1:17:23
  Yeah, it would be good having back like a one off like like
• 1:17:27
  if, if, if it fit this scenario, bring him back in for that
• 1:17:30
  scenario. But I think too many bridges
• 1:17:32
  have collapsed. It's not that, right?
• 1:17:34
  You know, I say, obviously one of my things to do is that when
• 1:17:36
  I work from home is I have like, all paper views on in the
• 1:17:39
  background. And like, Jerry Lawler is
• 1:17:41
  someone who do, you know, when you have things where it's like,
• 1:17:45
  you know, did they say that? And things haven't aged well,
• 1:17:47
  But it's like it was at the time a lot of the stuff Jerry Lawler
• 1:17:51
  says now, it's not that it hasn't aged well.
• 1:17:53
  It generally makes us concerned about him as a human being.
• 1:17:56
  So yeah, he's someone that I just think that like has no
• 1:17:59
  place at all on any modern product.
• 1:18:02
  And things on do we recovery is not being fed those lines of
• 1:18:05
  events. I don't know, you know.
• 1:18:09
  Yes, but there's a possibility that someone could be.
• 1:18:11
  There is a possibility of a but he's someone who are things like
• 1:18:15
  like again, not from saying that it is, but you know, if some, if
• 1:18:18
  something come out that should. Be as vague.
• 1:18:20
  As that I'd be like, yeah, probably true, yeah.
• 1:18:22
  But anyways, moving on. Yeah.
• 1:18:23
  So that's the appear by 2014, June 1st and it was held in
• 1:18:26
  Chicago. The rundown of the card is he
• 1:18:28
  had a dark match of El Torito with the Colognes, who with the
• 1:18:32
  Matadors at the time he beat Hornswoggle, who had three MB
• 1:18:36
  with him. So you had Drew McIntyre,
• 1:18:38
  Jindema Hall long before the WE title runs and Heath Slater.
• 1:18:42
  This was a mask versus hair mask.
• 1:18:43
  So when El Torito 1 Hornswoggle was shaved and this was the dark
• 1:18:47
  match open the match of the night, you had Sheamus, who was
• 1:18:50
  a Paul Heyman guy. Can you remember the this
• 1:18:54
  Sheamus Echo? Sorry, he's same as Beach
• 1:18:56
  Cesaro. Bush Cesaro was a Paul Heyman
• 1:18:57
  guy. Can you remember Cesaro being a
• 1:18:59
  Heyman guy? So I had forgotten about this.
• 1:19:02
  And then when I watched this, Peter who for the podcast, I was
• 1:19:05
  like, oh, yeah, that was a thing.
• 1:19:06
  But other than that, I can't remember much about it.
• 1:19:08
  But I do remember being a thing, yeah.
• 1:19:10
  So it's 2014, it's in Chicago. When Heyman comes out, you get
• 1:19:13
  loud CM Punk chance, to which Heyman says he's not here, he's
• 1:19:16
  down the road watching the Blackhawks.
• 1:19:18
  So he does acknowledge it because it was something that
• 1:19:20
  wasn't always acknowledged on TV.
• 1:19:22
  You had one of the. Greatest tag teams of all time.
• 1:19:24
  Rybaxel beat Cody and Gold Dust, which interesting little side
• 1:19:28
  note on that. It was that defeat that led to
• 1:19:31
  Cody turning into Stardust. Rousseff with Lana beat Big E
• 1:19:36
  board. Dallas versus Kingston went to a
• 1:19:38
  no contest Wade Barrett IC champion.
• 1:19:40
  We've talked about this on Cursed by the Wrestling Gods,
• 1:19:43
  BRVD to retain his IC title. A fun little one, which again, I
• 1:19:47
  had no memory of. Cena with the Usos beat the
• 1:19:50
  Wyatt Family and Paige beat Alicia Fox for the women's
• 1:19:54
  championship match. So again, quite a mixed bag of a
• 1:19:57
  card. What do you think of the card
• 1:19:58
  overall when you kind of hear that read out aloud?
• 1:20:01
  I think it was a fun card. I think just that dark match
• 1:20:03
  alone is like mental, like really fun and gets people
• 1:20:07
  going. I think, you know, Sheamus
• 1:20:10
  versus Cesaro is always going to be a banger.
• 1:20:13
  I think watching Cordy and Goldust tag together, I always
• 1:20:16
  enjoy watching them do that. And that story was cool.
• 1:20:18
  And then even when he was Stardust, I enjoyed what they
• 1:20:21
  did together there. Rousseff and big A2 big meaty
• 1:20:24
  men going on it, you know, for Dallas, Kofi Kingston, I never
• 1:20:28
  really understood both dollars and I mean roster.
• 1:20:30
  So what I probably would have went and got a snack for.
• 1:20:32
  But again, like weird Barrack, you know, he's IC champion.
• 1:20:36
  He's defeating a legend like Rob Van Damme.
• 1:20:37
  It's just helping him build his own legacy by defeating someone
• 1:20:40
  so good as Rob Van Damme. I think obviously Cena and Brie
• 1:20:43
  White, you forget some of the legends Brie worked.
• 1:20:47
  You know, Brie was pushed against some of the company's
• 1:20:50
  biggest people. Obviously Paige do our page does
• 1:20:53
  best and then obviously the main event has obviously evolutioned
• 1:20:57
  the Shield. Yeah, what we're going to talk
• 1:20:59
  about, so we'll dive in before I do.
• 1:21:00
  Again, I think this was kind of relevant of the time, but this
• 1:21:04
  is a paper view that has no World Championship matches on
• 1:21:07
  it. So you had Brian who was just
• 1:21:08
  about to relinquish it from one of his injuries and then yeah,
• 1:21:14
  so absolutely no World Championship matches on this
• 1:21:17
  pay-per-view. So interesting little fact from
• 1:21:19
  it. But that was kind of that time,
• 1:21:20
  wasn't it was a bit of a bit of a funny time in the WE where
• 1:21:23
  they were kind of in between things.
• 1:21:24
  So yeah, kind of makes sense when I read that because.
• 1:21:27
  Of the world championship, Brian's a unified champ.
• 1:21:29
  Mason Brian's got both world titles correct.
• 1:21:31
  Yeah. So he's sort of unifying them.
• 1:21:33
  He's got them off the WrestleMania.
• 1:21:35
  I think his last title defense was against Kane, wasn't it in
• 1:21:38
  Corporate Kane and then obviously he's hurt he's not
• 1:21:41
  reading this from and because the pushed punk away though I
• 1:21:43
  rumble previously like obviously all the other top stars are
• 1:21:47
  involved in this evolution storyline, then yeah, that's
• 1:21:50
  probably bestest not have the title on the line and obviously
• 1:21:53
  how Brian ring the street like shortly after.
• 1:21:56
  No, definitely. And I say, I thought like this
• 1:21:58
  was just a really right kind of one of the reasons kind of
• 1:22:00
  focusing on the mashup we're going to look at now was kind of
• 1:22:03
  an interesting one because it was kind of say, 2 of the
• 1:22:05
  greatest factions of all time, in my opinion.
• 1:22:07
  I mean, how high, how highly do you rate Evolution and the
• 1:22:11
  Shield as factions and the kind of grand scheme of things?
• 1:22:15
  Oh, definitely top tier, top tier factions in my opinion, up
• 1:22:18
  there with the Heart Foundation, up there with Degeneration X, up
• 1:22:22
  there with the National Domination, like some of the
• 1:22:24
  some of the biggest factions out there, yeah.
• 1:22:26
  Definitely. And I think kind of obviously,
• 1:22:27
  you know, the result will get due, but we see the shield win
• 1:22:30
  and, you know, it was a bit of a passing the torch in a lot of
• 1:22:33
  ways, wasn't it? So kind of leading up to that
• 1:22:35
  that they'd already faced each other where the shield had
• 1:22:37
  already beaten them at extreme rules.
• 1:22:39
  So this was kind of a a winner takes all rematch, which is why
• 1:22:42
  it was no, no holds bored. So kind of like I say, shielded
• 1:22:45
  already won one match. Extreme rules kind of in the
• 1:22:47
  build up with this one, you kind of had a video package of loads
• 1:22:49
  of massive kind of brawls between all six of them, which
• 1:22:52
  was cool to see kind of, you know, different clashes of
• 1:22:55
  generations coming together. I remember kind of being really
• 1:22:58
  into this feud because I'm a big, big evolution fan.
• 1:23:00
  It's kind of match kind of comes out, you know, evolution or out
• 1:23:03
  of Motörhead, which I think is one of my favorite themes of all
• 1:23:06
  time. The evolution Motörhead theme
• 1:23:10
  song work again. Thoughts on that?
• 1:23:12
  Do you think it's up? There's one of the great because
• 1:23:13
  I think it is. Well, it's it's a perfect theme
• 1:23:17
  song for them and what they're doing, so absolutely, yeah.
• 1:23:20
  Yeah, it's just a banger of a song.
• 1:23:22
  Like I probably still listen to it once a week.
• 1:23:23
  So yeah, obviously always enjoy seeing them come out of that.
• 1:23:25
  Obviously no Ric Flair, but Rick's not needed in this.
• 1:23:28
  He's kind of passed his best in the ring and there's only three
• 1:23:31
  members of the Shield, so it wouldn't quite work.
• 1:23:33
  I bet you would probably did want to be involved in this, but
• 1:23:35
  no Ric Flair for this. I noticed it was because, again,
• 1:23:38
  you know, the kind of Mandela Effect thing of like, you think
• 1:23:40
  things of different things. This is where you got Blue
• 1:23:42
  Teaster. I thought that happened at
• 1:23:44
  WrestleMania. Blue Teaster.
• 1:23:46
  So yeah, this is when Batista comes out.
• 1:23:49
  And during the match they tell you that blue Teesta has trended
• 1:23:51
  #1 in the world. And then, yeah, so obviously get
• 1:23:54
  the shield out. You get evolution out, you get
• 1:23:56
  the kind of brawl to start. You've got Roman and Triple H in
• 1:23:58
  the ring, breaks out into the crowd.
• 1:24:01
  They then tag. So then it kind of stops the
• 1:24:03
  craziness. Then do a bit of in work, in
• 1:24:05
  ring work. I thought it was pretty cool
• 1:24:07
  seeing Roman in there with Batista.
• 1:24:09
  Kind of not something I ever got as a one-on-one match.
• 1:24:12
  Kind of. Did you enjoy seeing Batista and
• 1:24:14
  Roman kind of going at it? I did.
• 1:24:16
  So we watching this match, I remember this happening in the
• 1:24:19
  storyline, but I can't remember like what Batista's work was
• 1:24:23
  like in this because there's a Batista second run, right?
• 1:24:25
  So yeah, so watching them work with Reigns was on the rest of
• 1:24:31
  the Shield in this match. Was pretty cool to watch it
• 1:24:33
  again because I'd almost forgotten about it, if that
• 1:24:36
  makes sense. No, definitely.
• 1:24:38
  And kind of like I said she had the brawl slow it down.
• 1:24:40
  Frequent tags from both teams, kind of solid tag action kind of
• 1:24:44
  bringing the crowd back down a bit.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah. A nice set of triple verticals
• 1:24:47
  from Rollins on triple HI Thought this was when it kind of
• 1:24:50
  went into a bit of a slog in the middle.
• 1:24:52
  But that's kind of what these older school guys would do.
• 1:24:54
  Wouldn't a kind of hot start bring it down, bring it back or
• 1:24:57
  be get the hot tag coming out the back of this which gets
• 1:25:00
  Roman in business picks up, but he says he's a drive by from
• 1:25:04
  Roman. Superman punch Orton breaks up
• 1:25:07
  the pin. You then get Triple H and
• 1:25:09
  Rollins out in the technical area.
• 1:25:11
  Ambrose and Orton out in the crowd.
• 1:25:13
  Rollins goes for a massive dive on Triple H gets smashed in the
• 1:25:16
  head with a monitor. This leads to a three on one
• 1:25:19
  from Evolution on Roman inside the ring.
• 1:25:21
  The kind of Evolution then get the upper hand.
• 1:25:23
  They hit the Shield triple powerbomb on Roman to the
• 1:25:26
  announcer's table outside, take the fight up to the ramp 3 on 2.
• 1:25:30
  At this point, you know, Triple H just bending the chair on
• 1:25:33
  Ambrose is back. Kind of accidental foreshadowing
• 1:25:36
  maybe. So the next night on row where
• 1:25:37
  Rollins turns on them, you then get Rollins who takes a nasty
• 1:25:40
  looking pedigree on a chair on the ramp, Roman kind of crawling
• 1:25:44
  back from the ring. So, you know, they're back with
• 1:25:46
  three on one. They continue the beat down on
• 1:25:48
  Roman. You know, they then take Roman
• 1:25:51
  up the ramp. Ambrose tries to fight back, but
• 1:25:53
  Orden hits a DDT from the set on the chair.
• 1:25:56
  So it's kind of all evolution at this point.
• 1:25:58
  But as this is all going on, Rollins climbed top of the Tron,
• 1:26:02
  big dive, big crossbody from the top, evolution down.
• 1:26:06
  Rollins manages to crawl himself back to the ring.
• 1:26:08
  Everyone kind of followers progressing it away from the
• 1:26:10
  ramp in the ring. Rollins, it's a nice cross body
• 1:26:13
  on Batista, but he counters it with a spear again.
• 1:26:16
  Just see cool seeing guys like Batista in there with Ambrose
• 1:26:19
  and Rollins in their rains. Goes for the Batista bomb after
• 1:26:23
  that but Roman from Norway hits a spear.
• 1:26:26
  Rollins gets the pin quick RQ on Rollins, Roman breaks it up,
• 1:26:30
  Ambrose hits Orton with The Dirty Deeds on the chair.
• 1:26:33
  Orton eliminated and Triple H with the lowbrow and Ambrose
• 1:26:36
  goes for the Pedigree but Roman hits a Superman punch.
• 1:26:38
  Batista from Norway hits Roman with a spear.
• 1:26:41
  Orton pushes air Triple H the sledgehammer then rolling
• 1:26:44
  manages a flying knee to not the sledgehammer out of Triple H's
• 1:26:47
  hand. Roman hits the spear on Triple
• 1:26:49
  H. The Shield win with a clean so
• 1:26:52
  kind of what was your thoughts on the match first of all?
• 1:26:55
  I thought it was a great match. I think in the bill of the
• 1:26:57
  match, it was very much Evolution obviously got beat at
• 1:27:01
  Extreme Rules and they want the win back.
• 1:27:03
  What they're saying is that like it's going to be an elimination
• 1:27:06
  tag because we're going to tease apart 1 by 1 as what they're
• 1:27:10
  saying. Then when it actually comes to
• 1:27:11
  the match, they're trying to do that strategy in the Nari the
• 1:27:14
  narrowly executed, which was good, perfect storytelling.
• 1:27:17
  But then obviously, you know, the match is 30 minutes long,
• 1:27:19
  right? 27 minutes in, we know we see
• 1:27:23
  Batista gets pinned by Seth Rollins after Rein spiasm.
• 1:27:30
  You know, that's on 27 minutes. Then on 28 minutes, Randy
• 1:27:34
  Orton's pinned by Dean Ambrose after The Dirty Deeds on a
• 1:27:36
  chair. And then I said on on the 30
• 1:27:38
  minute mark, you know, we have Triple H as the last man
• 1:27:42
  standing. He gets pinned by Roman Reigns
• 1:27:44
  after a diving high knee from Rollins and the Spiah, like you
• 1:27:46
  just said, she'll win the clean sweep.
• 1:27:49
  But it wasn't a clean sweep all the way through.
• 1:27:51
  It was just the last three minutes.
• 1:27:52
  It becomes a clean sweep. So it reminded me of almost the
• 1:27:56
  same type of feeling to the Iron Man match between Shawn Michaels
• 1:28:01
  and Tripoli, Shawn Michaels and Brett Hart, WrestleMania, where
• 1:28:04
  like the whole match went for like 60 minutes and it was nil,
• 1:28:08
  nil. Anybody could win.
• 1:28:09
  And it went a sudden death and Michaels all of a sudden wins.
• 1:28:11
  This was like, you know, it goes 30 minutes and it's like nil,
• 1:28:14
  nil all the way through. And all of a sudden the Shield
• 1:28:16
  pull out the bargain and beat Evolution.
• 1:28:18
  And am I right? I think this is what he says
• 1:28:20
  last night on this run. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:22
  So he kind of comes out on roll the next night, demands on that
• 1:28:25
  title match Triple H has no. And then he kind of quits and
• 1:28:28
  then you don't see Batista again until he fused the Triple H at
• 1:28:31
  WrestleMania, which will then be his last ever match.
• 1:28:34
  So yeah, this kind of him coming back at the Rumble was his kind
• 1:28:38
  of bring him back into it. And he works all the way up
• 1:28:40
  until June. So yeah.
• 1:28:41
  And he obviously did all the house shows and stuff as well,
• 1:28:43
  didn't he? Because that was part of his
• 1:28:44
  thing that, you know, he was going to come back and do it
• 1:28:46
  properly. So yeah, this is the kind of
• 1:28:48
  last match of a proper Batista run.
• 1:28:51
  I thought you look good in blue. I don't know why it was such a
• 1:28:53
  big deal. I think it was just because it
• 1:28:55
  may it was foot blue Teaster kind of works, doesn't it?
• 1:28:58
  And I think it was very much of the time where, you know, trend
• 1:29:01
  and things on Twitter took off. And again, I think it's it's
• 1:29:04
  almost gotten a Mandela effect where my head I thought that was
• 1:29:06
  at WrestleMania, the blue teaster stuff, but it was
• 1:29:08
  actually in this match. So yeah, I think it's just one
• 1:29:11
  of them things, isn't it? But I think, yeah, I thought it
• 1:29:13
  was a good moment in time match because I think like, you know,
• 1:29:15
  without sounding like fucking pretentious and you know,
• 1:29:18
  because, you know, it's just resting at the end of the day.
• 1:29:19
  But like, I think it is quite an important match in time because
• 1:29:22
  like I say, I'm in your Batista's last proper run and
• 1:29:25
  evolution, you know, do pass the torch, don't they?
• 1:29:29
  You know, they're losing 2 pay review matches to them.
• 1:29:31
  And what I thought was quite good about this match was the
• 1:29:33
  way that not only do the Shield win with a clean sweep, but all
• 1:29:36
  three of them get a pin. So I think like, you've you've
• 1:29:40
  kind of, you know, the Shield was always booked strongly.
• 1:29:43
  But like, this is the Shield's last ever match together because
• 1:29:45
  Rollins turns the next night on Raw.
• 1:29:47
  Like, yeah, like, as far as a send off goes, you've set them
• 1:29:49
  all up fantastically, haven't you?
• 1:29:51
  You've made them look like fucking superstars, beaten like
• 1:29:53
  3 of the greatest of all time twice, and then kind of each
• 1:29:56
  individual member getting their own pin.
• 1:29:58
  Because, you know, a lot of people will say, you know, after
• 1:30:00
  the Shield broke down, Roman was rammed down your throat.
• 1:30:02
  And there might be kind of truth to that.
• 1:30:04
  Do you know, there's definitely some things that didn't work.
• 1:30:06
  But on this night, all three of them were in included in that,
• 1:30:09
  which you didn't have to do, did you?
• 1:30:10
  If you wanted Reigns to be the breakout star, you have Reigns
• 1:30:13
  pin all three, but you didn't. So I think it was really well
• 1:30:15
  done the way they put stock in all three of them to make them
• 1:30:18
  look all three like legitimate kind of superstars that they are
• 1:30:22
  and still are. It also made the swerve the next
• 1:30:25
  night seem impossible till it happened.
• 1:30:27
  And that's why it shocked the world, I think.
• 1:30:29
  Yeah. So I think, you know, the shield
• 1:30:32
  beat evolution are extreme rules here.
• 1:30:35
  The storyline is that evolution want revenge.
• 1:30:36
  They want the wind back to see how they're going to do it.
• 1:30:39
  The goal ball trying to enter that strategy, but then they
• 1:30:41
  just can't do it in like, you know, goes 30 minutes or goes
• 1:30:44
  longer than early do. But evolution proves too strong.
• 1:30:47
  Every member evolution gets a pinion of bite, making them all
• 1:30:50
  look strong and it looks like the future is the shield.
• 1:30:55
  And then? Obviously, which it, which it.
• 1:30:56
  Was and you know still is do you know what I mean that you've
• 1:30:59
  still got Roman on top you still got Rollins on top you've still
• 1:31:02
  got Moxley on top and AW really so like, you know, 12 years on,
• 1:31:06
  you know, we we talk about people cursed by the wrestling
• 1:31:08
  gods who have these moments and they can never quite follow
• 1:31:10
  through with them. These three took the ball and
• 1:31:12
  still never put it down over. They did indeed.
• 1:31:15
  What do you think this says about Triple H Batista?
• 1:31:17
  Around the open, people say that maybe they don't want to put
• 1:31:20
  people on the Bury. People maybe?
• 1:31:22
  Yeah, I think it's really fun because obviously I've got no
• 1:31:24
  idea what people's thoughts were going into this match because I
• 1:31:26
  say it was a lot, lot longer ago than I remembered.
• 1:31:29
  But yeah, I bet there probably was a lot of stuff online at the
• 1:31:32
  time where people were like, well, the Shield have won the
• 1:31:34
  first one, Triple H will want his win back, but they don't do
• 1:31:37
  that here. So that's what I mean.
• 1:31:39
  Like it's a, it's a huge moment really, because you've just kind
• 1:31:42
  of strapped a rocket. All three of these guys who have
• 1:31:44
  just like really wiped the floor with Evolution on board on 2
• 1:31:47
  separate occasions and a clean sweep as well.
• 1:31:52
  Yeah, no, it's absolutely fantastic.
• 1:31:53
  I'm really glad you picked it because it was good to go back
• 1:31:55
  and look at this era and look at these, you know, 66 Hall of
• 1:31:59
  Famers in the ring together telling a fantastic story.
• 1:32:02
  Fantastic stuff. No, definitely.
• 1:32:04
  Yeah. So that was our moment in time
• 1:32:07
  that was nearly lost in time forever, wasn't it?
• 1:32:10
  Yeah, it would have been like, it would have been like the lost
• 1:32:12
  wrestling tape, like when Brett Hart had that match with that
• 1:32:16
  guy who's going to be the next Hulk Hogan.
• 1:32:18
  Yeah, which is on YouTube now I think, isn't it the founder?
• 1:32:20
  Didn't they did a little documentary on it?
• 1:32:22
  Found the lost wrestling team. I think Brett hots some someone
• 1:32:26
  Brett hot you had the team because someone kept it all
• 1:32:28
  Brett hots tapes, but that's. Yeah.
• 1:32:30
  So, yeah. So that was our moment in time,
• 1:32:32
  which does now take us on to our feel good fact of the week and
• 1:32:34
  what we're going to do with that this week.
• 1:32:36
  What? What do we promise people we're
• 1:32:37
  going to do for the feel good facts of the week?
• 1:32:40
  Backlash. Backlash.
• 1:32:42
  So yes, as we've said, backlash is this weekend.
• 1:32:45
  So I thought what we'd do to kind of end the show, it's just
• 1:32:48
  a couple of backlash Flack facts I've got.
• 1:32:49
  So this Saturday will be the 21st backlash again times.
• 1:32:53
  Funny, but did you think they'd been that many backlashes?
• 1:32:56
  Backlash, No, I didn't actually. I mean now I think about it like
• 1:33:01
  yes, but it off to me had no. Yeah, so 21.
• 1:33:05
  So this will be the 21st Backlash this weekend if you had
• 1:33:08
  to pick someone. So I'm using this is a thing.
• 1:33:11
  So obviously Shawn Michaels is Mr. WrestleMania, The Undertaker
• 1:33:14
  had his WrestleMania undefeated streak.
• 1:33:16
  But if you had a think who's made the most appearances, so
• 1:33:19
  appearances or matches competed I'm using here, who do you think
• 1:33:23
  will be Mr. Backlash? Randy Orton, Bang on.
• 1:33:27
  So Randy Orton and Edge are tied at the moment with 11 matches
• 1:33:31
  each on the card. So yeah, so when it comes to Mr.
• 1:33:35
  Backlash, Edge and Orton not currently tied on that.
• 1:33:38
  And Orton is the only person in Backlash history whose main
• 1:33:42
  event it in three different decades.
• 1:33:44
  So yeah, I think if you had to go one way or the other, Orton's
• 1:33:46
  still in the company. Randy Orton is very much Mr.
• 1:33:49
  Backlash, which is a shame that you won't be competing this year
• 1:33:52
  because you could have took the record and become Mr. Backlash
• 1:33:55
  with no question marks against his name.
• 1:33:57
  And then finally, I just thought kind of round it off.
• 1:33:59
  I'd give guys some kind of recommendations for matches from
• 1:34:03
  Backlash that they could kind of watch leading up to this weeks
• 1:34:06
  pay-per-view. So I've kind of gone in order.
• 1:34:07
  So you've got some big kind of matches that have taken place
• 1:34:10
  over the years. So if you start at the very
• 1:34:12
  first Backlash, you had Austin versus The Rock, which is a
• 1:34:15
  great match 2000, the year after year after you had Triple H
• 1:34:19
  versus the Rocks. So again, kind of, you know, two
• 1:34:21
  of the all time great feuds of all time.
• 1:34:23
  You've seen them go one-on-one at Backlash.
• 1:34:26
  You've got 2004. You've got Randy Orton versus
• 1:34:28
  Cactus Jack, which I believe is one of your all time favorite
• 1:34:31
  matches, is it not? Not only is that one of my all
• 1:34:34
  time favorite matches like that whole pay reviews absolutely
• 1:34:36
  fantastic. Yeah, because that night you
• 1:34:38
  also get the rematch from WrestleMania 20 of Ben Moore,
• 1:34:41
  HBK, Triple H 2009 you get 1 of the entries in a legendary
• 1:34:46
  rivalry of Edge versus Cena. 2022 you get 1 of the stupidest
• 1:34:52
  tag lines that ever built ever. So this was during lockdown, but
• 1:34:56
  you had Orton versus Edge, so the two Mr. Backlashes.
• 1:34:59
  But remember what this was billed as the greatest wrestler
• 1:35:01
  match of all time for no context at all.
• 1:35:04
  The greatest wrestler match of all time before it actually
• 1:35:06
  happened. Before it actually happened in
• 1:35:08
  front of 0 fans. So yeah, so that that happened
• 1:35:10
  at a Backlash. 2022, you had Ronda Rousey versus Charlotte
• 1:35:14
  Flynn and I quit match. 2023 Bad Bunny showed up and impressed
• 1:35:18
  everyone against Damien Priest. 2024 Cody versus AJ in a
• 1:35:23
  phenomenal match as well, no pun intended.
• 1:35:25
  And then my absolute hidden gem in this again comes from my work
• 1:35:29
  and from home watching habits is Backlash. 2000 if you've never
• 1:35:32
  seen it, this is my one pick I recommend you go out and watch
• 1:35:36
  Scotty 2 hottie versus Dean Milenko for the Cruiserweight
• 1:35:39
  championship will be the light heavyweight championship then
• 1:35:42
  absolutely hidden gem of a match.
• 1:35:45
  So if you only watch any watch any of these recommendations
• 1:35:47
  before this Saturday, Scotty Dean Milenko get get it watched.
• 1:35:53
  The Doors, I love those two guys.
• 1:35:54
  I'm excited to go watch that. It's really great.
• 1:35:56
  Yeah, it's like. In there's one if you go away
• 1:35:58
  and watch it texters when you watch the bit where you go fuck,
• 1:36:03
  it's a it's a very hard hitting affair and it kind of come out
• 1:36:06
  of nowhere from Scotty to Hotty. I'll have to check that out.
• 1:36:10
  I'm excited. Yeah, so that's kind of all my
• 1:36:13
  multiple feel good wrestling facts of the week to tie into
• 1:36:16
  this weekend's backlash. And so obviously, So what are
• 1:36:22
  you watching this week? Are you watching a backlash?
• 1:36:25
  When am I watching it? Yes.
• 1:36:28
  So you know me, I say I've got a young child so I don't do late
• 1:36:31
  nights anymore. So mine will be probably a half
• 1:36:32
  six in the morning viewing Sunday morning because on the
• 1:36:36
  Saturday night me and you will be meeting up and we're off to
• 1:36:39
  North Wrestling Armor for the NCL Cup.
• 1:36:42
  We are indeed very excited to go watch some good old graphs in
• 1:36:47
  our hometown of Newcastle. Yeah.
• 1:36:49
  And I think we're going to, I think we're going to do a little
• 1:36:51
  kind of recording on it, aren't we're kind of given give them a
• 1:36:53
  thought on the show. We are indeed so see a tune for
• 1:36:56
  our thoughts on some fantastic independent British wrestling.
• 1:36:59
  We. Cannot.
• 1:36:59
  So we've got a big weekend of wrestling.
• 1:37:02
  Haven't moved with our local local show putting on a banger
• 1:37:05
  and then Backlash as well. So yeah, very, very good,
• 1:37:08
  exciting weekend of wrestling lies ahead for us too.
• 1:37:11
  It certainly is and listeners, we hope you'll have an exciting
• 1:37:15
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• 1:37:17
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• 1:37:41
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• 1:37:44
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• 1:37:49
  It will indeed. So yeah, let's take it home.
• 1:37:53
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• 1:37:54
  And it's still real. The worst, damn it.
• 1:37:58
  Damn it. Backlash, backlash.