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Are We Heading for World War III? · Mark and Pete

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  Are we heading for World War 3? Welcome to Mark and Pete.
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  As tensions rise in the Middle East, it's looking like, well,
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  is it possible that we might actually be heading for World
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  War three this time? This is Mark and Pete 2 blokes
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  with half an opinion. Now here's our first thought.
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  When you're numbers up once there was World War One but
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  sadly all the folk have gone. Then came along World War 2 and
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  now there are very few yet if there was World War Three it
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  would affect you and me. Then all the people would be no
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  more. So there'd be no need for World
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  War four. Yes, well, it does seem that
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  some people are whipping up the frenzy of World War 3.
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  Is it in the hands of Donald Trump?
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  Now? He has said that Iran wants to
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  make a deal rather than face U.S. military action.
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  Now, as we've seen history learn from it, as we've seen from
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  World War One, with the triggering of the, you know, the
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  shooting of King Archduke Ferdinand and then suddenly many
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  other countries started to get involved.
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  Have you seen a similar pattern, Mr. Pete?
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  I ask you, are we going through this domino effect once again?
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  Are we going into World War 3? Now, can I, Mr. Mark, say the
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  outset? I hope not, because although
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  people have pointed out that it makes great content for shows
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  like ours. But at what cost, Mark?
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  What cost? But no, I, I, I, but I, I think
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  and I just looking at the strategy that it appears that
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  Donald Trump and his team are pursuing that, that that isn't
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  what's happening. That's what isn't what's going
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  to happen in that they they haven't rushed in.
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  They have instead, despite provocation from Iran, despite
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  them threatening to assassinate Donald Trump and to attack,
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  despite all all the rhetoric, despite actually going ahead and
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  killing lots of the protesters, despite I use the word despite
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  again, but despite what Donald Trump had said about that they
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  shouldn't do that. Although there would be
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  reprisals from the US. They appear to be playing it
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  cautiously in that they're getting on their side.
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  Other interested nations in the region, specifically Saudi
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  Arabia, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is signalling on
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  social media. That is sort of paraphrasing
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  what he said in social media. He has been talking with United
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  United States of America think tanks and advisers about the
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  strategy for peace in the Middle East.
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  Now, this was a change when he was totally against any any US
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  involvement earlier. So that's looking like along
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  with the announcement that there's going to be a sale of
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  certain military items, I think it's $7 billion worth was
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  announced from recently over the past few days, it just seemed
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  that the Saudi Arabia is on board.
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  All we need is the UAE to be on board.
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  Hopefully they are. And you've got a position where
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  if you attack Iran, they won't really be able to respond if you
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  you being the United States, which puts you in a position to
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  make them negotiate. So that's that's my reading on
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  it. What do you think, Mr. Mark?
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  Well, I think what's interesting is listening to the rhetoric of
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  Donald Trump because he's a key component here.
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  He's already warned Tehran that they are running out of time to
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  negotiate what is called a a nuclear program deal.
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  And there are concerns of Iran having nuclear weapons.
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  Now, of course, no surprise. Iran has denied that there's
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  anything sinister, but here's the point.
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  What we're starting to see is this domino dynamic effect,
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  which is Iran are in conversations, of course, with
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  Russia. And that means bringing in the
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  other equation of, yes, Mr. Vladimir Putin.
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  Now, of course, we know that we're not party to all of those
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  conversations. But, you know, if Mr. Putin
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  wants to come along to the mark of the show, it would be great.
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  But the fact is we know that there is.
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  The game has changed. We talked about it at the
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  beginning, World War One, well, the players were very different.
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  World War Two, guess what? The players were different.
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  The different power dynamics have shifted when you look at
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  where we are today. I think it's reasonable to say,
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  Mr. Pete, that some of those big influencers, whether it be the
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  United Kingdom, Canada and others, that Commonwealth
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  footprint that we once had is no longer in the equation to make a
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  difference. And I think one of the concerns
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  is what is going on in the head of Vladimir Putin and
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  ironically, Donald Trump, because we're seeing things
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  playing out like this, this horrible little chess game
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  that's going on. Is it is it really genuinely
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  about the concerns over nuclear weapons?
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  Or maybe is it something else? We've seen that Donald Trump has
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  already raised points about wanting to own, you know,
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  Greenland and any other type of things.
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  Is is there something else behind?
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  Well, it's about my reading on it.
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  Is this in terms of the, the current rhetoric, I think it was
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  a concern about developing nuclear weapons previously.
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  I think that's been dealt, dealt with for some time by the
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  bombing attack that they, that the United States performed
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  along with Israel. And I think that the, but I
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  think that the point now is if, if Donald Trump politically, if
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  he makes it about the nuclear weapons rather than the
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  uprising, supporting the uprising, he's in a good
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  position politically at home in that he's not trying to
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  intervene, intervene in another country.
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  So that maybe bring the MAGA base along with him and also not
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  have to declare war, which of course requires Congress,
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  Congress, which he may not get. So this in other words, it's
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  just a, it's a military action on a, an, a security issue.
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  So he, he could justify it in that way.
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  But I, I think in terms of it not causing a conflagration and
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  spreading into World War three, this is also a good move because
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  it seems like it's, the aim is to bring tensions down.
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  We want to remove these, these weapons of mass destruction, to
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  use an unfortunate term being on the table.
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  And then we stop. If there is, if there is a
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  regime change, that's down to the people within Iran.
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  Of course, the hope is that it does precipitate it and allow it
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  to happen. Well, but I, I think it's, I
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  think you see that although it could all blow up, it could
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  literally hands. It just seemed that the that the
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  Department of War, the Secretary of State and Trump himself are
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  trying to play this in a way that is least likely to result
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  in that as far as Putin is concerned, it doesn't seem to me
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  that he wants to get involved. Trump has signalled time and
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  time again that he's into the keeping the hemispheres
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  separate. What used to be called the
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  Monroe Doctrine. People are trying starting to
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  call it the Donro Doctrine because of Trump in in that
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  America is responsible for things in in its sphere of
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  influence and Russia in its half of the world and they don't
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  interfere with each other. Now the other plan, this is of
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  course China. But this is my personal view.
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  I guess I could be proven wrong. I don't think they have the
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  reach and power that they claim. They've a lot of financial
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  clout, buying up countries like Mauritius, that's another story.
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  And supply providing supplies for Iran, which they did
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  recently. They sent ships over to provide
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  supplies. But I don't think they have the
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  military power anywhere near what America has.
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  I don't think that they're a big player here.
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  Well, one of the other things that has been sighted around
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  this sort of tensions in the Middle East is yes, about
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  nuclear, but also about stop killing protesters.
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  So one of the things that human based or human rights based
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  agencies and charity based organisations have highlighted
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  that many people, hundreds if not thousands of people have
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  been killed simply because they've been protesting.
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  Now Donald Trump has brought this to attention and he's made
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  that clear that that's one of the other reasons why he
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  believes that this is another reason for action.
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  So that's quite a different basis in itself.
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  I mean, on the one hand, there's territorial advantage, there's
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  economic and political power pushing and pulling.
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  But on the human rights side, it's interesting that Donald
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  Trump has brought this up. So just before we sort of close
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  out, what's your thoughts in terms of the human rights where
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  people in Iran genuinely actually want regime change
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  because they just want democracy, which they do not
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  have? My thoughts on that is, yes, we
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  want to support that, but this is the the issue, the issue that
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  needs to be, you need to be careful about because think
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  about what you want to support. You want to support people
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  basically taking back the control of their own country.
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  But if you send in troops and take over the country, they're
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  no longer involved. You are the, you're an invading,
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  you're an invading army, your country taking over another
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  person's country. And then you, the people might
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  turn against you. It gets very, very complicated
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  and America has suffered from that many times in the past, in
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  recent history. So they need to be very careful
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  not to do that. And there's no sign that Donald
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  Trump is going to send in troops to run the place.
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  Even when he said he was running, running a country
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  recently when they took out Maduro in Venezuela, what he
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  meant was they run it in that we tell you what to do or we'll or
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  we'll kill more people or take your leaders again.
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  That's the it's, it's done by coercion.
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  And I, I believe that is the only way.
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  I can't. If you actually go in and take
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  over the country, it's not going to end well because that's not,
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  that's not people taking back their country.
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  So, yeah, it's, it's, it's it's a difficult balancing act.
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  If anyone can do it, I think Donald Trump can.
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  As as regulators will know, we're big fans on this show, but
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  we're big fans of everyone we talk about this thing.
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  But yeah, Donald Trump on in has this particular skill of, of
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  negotiating with, with his advisers, of course.
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  But he has what might be called the hotspot or giant balls or
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  whatever you might recall it in that he can take these tough
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  decisions, but also he's prepared to wait until the right
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  scenario arrives. So I, I'm not looking at it
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  being World War three soon. I, I, I don't see the tensions
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  rising because of Donald Trump. I see he's really one of the
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  people, one of the few people who could thread the needle and
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  actually get a regime change without them having to take over
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  and thus make things worse as they have, as they've done in
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  the past. Well, they will in fact walk
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  away from it rather than do that.
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  Well, interesting. Even though there are military
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  movements from Donald Trump, the US, etcetera, but to your point,
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  there is some diplomacy in there.
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  Maybe it's not so much World War Three, maybe World War 2, 1/2.