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Horror Movie Mavens: Episode 2- Sleepaway Camp Review · Horror Movie Mavens

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  Hey, everybody, this is your host, Bad Luck Bill, here with Horror Movie Mavens,
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  another episode, the second, of our Horror Movie Review Series.
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  My name is Bad Luck Bill, here to guide us through our viewing experience today.
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  And joining me is Tombstone Tom. Tom, are you there?
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  I am here. You are here, and I am also here.
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  And also, wherever you go, there you are. Wherever you go, there you are.
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  Like a wise man once told me that. You know what? I believe him.
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  And also joining us, a special, super special guest, a new maven to the podcast.
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  So, several sassels could not be here today. However, comma,
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  we have Afterlife Allie.
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  He's here. Hello, Allie. Hi, Bill. Hi.
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  Hi, Anne. Welcome, Allie.
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  I'm a licensed funeral director, so from the morgue to the movies,
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  I see dead people on and off the screen. Oh, my lord. All right.
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  The real deal funeral directors. So we're going to have some sort of perspective
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  on what a damn corpse would look like when it's getting brought to the morgue
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  or onto the slab, as they say.
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  Well, excellent. I'm happy that we're all here, and I'm happy that you're listening
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  to us out in podcast land.
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  We've got a real doozy here to bring to you.
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  Episode two is Sleepaway Camp.
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  It's a hell of a movie, and we're going to get into the nitty-gritty of it.
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  What a movie. What a movie.
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  What a experience. It was a movie. It was definitely a movie.
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  But before we get into that, I want to hit something real quick and just kind
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  of cue everybody into a little bit of what we do here at Horror Movie Maithens.
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  It's a review podcast that most definitely contains spoilers.
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  And it really kind of works out to be a play-by-play or a blow-by-blow,
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  if it were, of the movie of the week.
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  The horror movie genre in its entirety tends to have and contain adult themes
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  and language and graphic images.
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  So if you're someone out there who's a little squeamish or jives away from the
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  gore, you know, be cautious. Caution you.
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  Beware. Enjoy the horror movie mavens to enjoy it the best.
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  You should probably have either watched the movie recently or watched the movie
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  with us or watch it for the first time and then click us and enjoy.
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  Enjoy the thing as it were, as we're recording.
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  I think that's the best way to kind of get the most out of our little our little
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  experiment here, which is, yeah, our movie made. So here we are.
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  We're at Sleepaway Camp, the 1983 classic, the horror movie. It's a slasher.
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  That's a classic. It's a classic.
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  I consider it to be a classic in a lot of ways. It's an R-rated film.
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  The tagline of the movie is, you won't be coming home.
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  And the movie poster itself is sort of iconic. Basically, it's a camp area in
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  the background and a shoe coming out of the water with a knife through it and
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  the flood and the whole thing.
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  What do you think of, Tom, what do you think of the tagline,
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  you won't be coming home?
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  Oh, you know already what you want.
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  You wouldn't be coming. You won't be coming. Home. Home. Or anywhere else.
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  Nowhere. Nowhere. Yeah. I think the movie poster is awesome.
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  I think that, gotta be honest, the tagline kind of sucks on this film.
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  You won't be coming home. I think the general theme of the movie is you'll get
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  on the bus and you won't be coming home.
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  Just a general, like, I don't know.
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  I guess that's what that's what a tagline's supposed to be. Allie,
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  what do you think about the tagline?
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  Yeah, you assume everyone's going to die.
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  And they kind of do. They kind of do. So I guess it's true to form.
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  The runtime on this film is an hour and 24 minutes. So we're a little under
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  the average time. I think an average movie is about an hour and 30 minutes.
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  So we're a little bit under.
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  It's filmed. I don't know where it's supposed to be based in,
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  but it's filmed in Argyle, New York, in upstate New York.
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  It was produced by American Eagle Films and United Film Distribution Company,
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  the two unknown and defunct films, which surprises no one.
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  This is kind of like a B-horror movie.
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  It didn't really make anybody a ton of money, which actually isn't true,
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  but we'll get to that in a second.
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  It was written and directed by Robert Hilsake, who, as I looked him up on an
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  internet movie database,
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  did literally nothing but Sleepaway Camp 1, Sleepaway Camp 2,
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  and had, I think, a writing credit on... There was a third one.
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  Now. Nowhere else.
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  Now. There was more... And I can tell you from experience that Sleepaway Camp 2 was so bad...
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  In my humble opinion, it's not even worth watching.
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  Are you sure you're not going to make us watch this next week?
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  We might. You know what? I might try to inflict a little more pain on you and
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  make you watch the sequel to this freaking thing.
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  This movie was made as Robert Hilsig was a college student in school.
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  And he actually took time off in his academic career to make this movie against
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  the advice of his student advisors and his college professors.
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  They said, don't do it. It's going to be a mistake.
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  It's going to do nothing but ruin your ambitions and not have enough function to get the project.
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  The movie budget, he got somehow, he got a movie company, American Eagle Films
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  or United Films Distribution or whoever financed it, whoever's the financier,
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  budgeted $350,000 to make this movie.
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  Tom, guess how much movie this money made?
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  $76.89. No, slightly more than that. Is that a real guess?
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  No, if you want me to guess, honestly, what, $120,000?
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  $120,000, okay. Allie, what do you think? What did this movie gross?
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  Let's go $300,000. $300,000. This movie cost, the budget total, was $350,000.
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  It made over $11 million.
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  Get the F out of here. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why horror movies will always be made.
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  Because they can be made for nothing, budgeted, and rake in a killing.
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  At the end of the day. And then, but also, back in that day,
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  I don't mean to cut you off, but back in that day, movies saved the theaters for a lot longer.
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  Fair, and, but, there was also a massive VHS distribution and marketplace that
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  people went out and bought this thing in Groves.
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  And looking into some of that distribution end of it, because I think,
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  when it was put out on VHS England, that their FCC or whoever does their version of censorship.
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  Yeah, it's not FCC.
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  I don't know who does the censorship, but regardless. BCC. Brills. Right. Right.
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  Whatever Mickey Mouse Corporation that is, they took out 85 minutes of the movie or something crazy.
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  They let 30 minutes air.
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  I was about to say, that's the fucking entire movie
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  yeah that's the entire thing so it was something that's like
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  that i don't know the exact figure of the the time they cut
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  out but it was the whole movie and so they had a lot of problems
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  they had they had to kind of appeal to some of these deaths are so gruesome
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  and graphic that it's like jeez i guess the english weren't feeling that like
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  that weren't feeling that mess the death count the kill count on this movie
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  is 13 total and i gotta be honest with you i watch this movie.
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  Allie, watch this movie. You did too.
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  I could only find 12 deaths.
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  But that's the official count was 13. I don't know. I don't know whether it matters or not.
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  It's starring Phyllisa Rose as Angela, as Ricky, the role of Ricky,
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  her cousin, is Jonathan Tierston.
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  And as the role of the nasty, mean girl, Judy, is Karen Field.
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  The real age of Phyllisa Rose, the actress that played Angela,
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  was 13 years old when she filmed this.
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  That means that she was unable to go to the movie theater for the premiere of
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  her own feature. It was pretty wild.
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  The only other thing I have to say before we get into the notes on the movie
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  and the play-by-play is, I think it stands to be said that because this movie
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  was produced in 83, and...
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  Friday the 13th was made, I think, in 1980, 81.
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  The success of Friday the 13th, the original, Jason, spawned a bunch of these
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  clone-type camping movies.
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  And each one of them was sort of more ridiculous than the next.
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  They kept getting more and more extravagant as time went on.
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  Sleepaway Camp is one of these films, man. It's with a twist.
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  There's not a masked killer.
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  What a twist What a twist Yeah what's a twist It's almost like an M.
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  Night Shyamalan I wonder if M.
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  Night was out there Somewhere as a young man watching this thing
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  You know what I'm going to make all my movies With some weird ass twist at the
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  end of it Just to try and top Sleepaway Camp The classic that is Sleepaway Camp
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  The absolute classic With that being said The film starts With a nice dedication It says,
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  in fond memory of mom, a doer.
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  And so I guess mom of the director, Mr.
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  Hilsig, must have passed away at some point.
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  And so this is in dedication with mom. Now, I don't know if his mom was some
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  sort of ballistic person or would have been proud of this movie or not.
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  But yeah, for mom, a doer is I kind of liked the beginning dedication.
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  So that's nice. Shout out to moms out there.
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  Yeah, shout out to the early, super, super duper early Mother's Day.
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  This one's for you, Mom. A movie about something that is so outrageous.
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  This one's for you. This one's for you.
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  So we've got the intro song. And at first, when, you know, you've got an overhead
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  view of camp, and it's kind of a fall scene, and you see the camp layout and everything.
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  When I first saw this, I was thinking, you know, this camp looks freaking trashed.
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  I have no idea why we're in this repair, this mad of repair.
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  And I guess it came to me after the fact, after kind of watching the entire
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  credit scene, opening credit scene.
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  Yeah, this is the aftermath. this is
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  the after it was all said and done because there's also a
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  for sale sign there's a sheriff's notice on the front gate that
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  gives us kind of a clue that camp arawak
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  was for sale and this is like after results said and done so the movie beginning
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  is kind of set in the end of the aftermath of this nightmare that takes place
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  and it's kind of trashed so yeah the mr hilsig this movie,
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  the person who directed and wrote this movie, he actually went to this camp.
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  He was a young man, and he went out of his way to film this thing in his childhood
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  campground, which is kind of neat. A little nugget.
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  Also, the executive producer, as I'm seeing it here, roll on.
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  I did take note that it seemed like the soundtrack doesn't really is not commensurate
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  with what's going on here. It's like I was super sad and depressed. and dramatic.
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  Opening score. And all it's doing is panning around various activity areas of the camp.
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  So I guess it's trying to set a somber tone, but it definitely doesn't feel
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  like it matches, but maybe... There's been some very choice music moments throughout
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  this whole thing. I agree with that.
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  Yeah, I agree with that. I'll leave it there.
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  As far as the opening, actually the opening scene,
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  we've got two twins with incredibly thick northern accents at a lakeside kind
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  of, I don't know, swimming hole, a lake.
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  Almost looks like it's across the way from the camp itself that we later on
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  find our unfortunate campers at.
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  They're at a sailboat with Dad, and Dad's just hanging out on the front of the
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  sailboat. These look like twins of some sort. They're kind of teasing each other.
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  The accents. Are these Northern accents, Allie? Is that where we're hearing them?
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  I believe so. It kind of sounds like a New York accent. A little bit,
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  but like New York, New York.
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  Right, city. City, yeah. There's definitely something going on here with the
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  accent. See, I'm going to interject.
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  Go ahead. While watching the movie, I thought there was a mix of New England in there.
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  Really? I agree with you. It's like, I can't tell. I think it's a mix of both.
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  So I think you have, like, rich New York kids and, like, rich New Englander kids.
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  And they're all getting involved in this camp. I'll go along with that.
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  Because later on in the movie, you see the one kid, I don't remember his name,
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  but he's wearing a Yankee shirt.
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  So that's a big giveaway, like, where we are. But, I mean, he could be, you know, wherever.
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  Yeah, for sure. And it does identify New York as, and you can see the plates.
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  All the vehicles driving around are New York. So it's established that it is
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  in New York. I believe so.
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  And if it's not, definitely it's highly intimated just based on,
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  I'm going to say, a lot of these Italian older counselor guys running around
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  here all seem like somebody that I would see on any Brooklyn corner.
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  This is literally taking place in the Catskills.
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  I think so, man. I think so. We're going to go somewhere in the Catskills.
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  Yeah, so we have super thick New York accents. The two young twins are kind of at each other.
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  These are Steiner and Angela, and they're just having a nice summer afternoon
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  with their dad on who we think is the dad on a sailboat. And then we've got some water skaters.
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  Who are, they're trying to, I guess, manage a swap of a driver.
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  She's kind of pestering the main guy, the driver guy, the boy,
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  to try and get her to swap.
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  He's a lifeguard. He's like, no way, man, you're going to ruin,
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  you know, whatever kind of driver's license or whatever issue that there is there.
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  But I will say that the skier seems genuinely petrified, whether that's acting or not.
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  She seems like completely out of her mind, freaked out the entire time and I
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  felt like that was something that had to be marked on because she was freaking
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  loose and even before the accident, after the accident, it was a goddamn bunch of bugs.
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  Angela and Peter tip the boat over onto bed as a prank and it results in a tragedy.
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  So, wow! There is tragedy.
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  The young girl is now driving the boat and we see a guy on the shore,
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  just kind of calling out to him, hey, you know, we're going to be late,
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  and it's a dude who's kind of just on shore.
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  John, I guess it is John, isn't it?
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  And the boat literally it's supposed to turn and it doesn't turn,
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  and it flies directly over this group that's just kind of in the water.
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  Yeah, the girl skiing is trying to warn them and, you gotta turn the boat!
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  Oh, you turn the boat. they're like looking at each other comically like what
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  did she say i don't know what to say and they just keep driving straight yeah
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  so the book goes right over this group of people.
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  And we don't know what the uh the outcome is for a large part of the film it's a weird kind of cgi I,
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  when the boat goes over them, it's kind of an odd look.
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  But I mean, if you really look really hard, it's all going to be a weird look.
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  Let me see. You only see one kid left floating in the water.
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  Right. Dad is floating and then a life jacket.
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  Dad looks like he's KIA and there's no blood, which is very odd for a movie
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  that is absolutely packed with blood.
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  There's no blood in the water and it's just kind of a tore up life jacket.
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  And, you know, then we just roll on to eight years later, which is kind of an
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  odd move. But so we've transported.
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  We don't know who died. we don't know what happened to these young kids and their dad.
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  The moment of silence for dad and whoever got it, whoever else got it in this
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  movie, we'll... Alright, guys.
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  The moment of silence. The moment of silence. Please.
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  Because God didn't. That was rough. We'll do this, too.
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  You can't hear that, Tom, but I just played something. All right.
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  So eight years later, we go to this weird colonial-looking house.
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  And I say it's weird only because of the occupant that's inside of it.
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  This really freaky-looking woman with a beret on who's got, like,
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  these strange features.
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  I cannot describe to you why she looks so strange to me. Maybe it's her costume.
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  I don't know. I don't know what's going on here, but she's very unsettling.
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  She's got a little note, a ribbon. Remember when we used to,
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  in movies and in cartoons, we would see little ribbons tied on people's fingers
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  to remind them of something? What happened to that?
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  Well, now we have phones. Technology happened to that?
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  Technology. I kind of think it's a little kitschy. I'm going to start doing
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  it. I'm not going to write any notes to myself.
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  I'm just going to have ribbons tied all over my hands.
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  Let's see how well that works. Yeah, I'll probably be fired by next week,
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  but... You'll have 5,000 ribbons on your hands. Right, exactly.
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  It'll be up and down my arms all with like a clown. All right,
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  so eight years later, we have Richard and Angela, who... They're with the aunt,
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  they come down the stairs, and she's completely nuts. We can tell this immediately.
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  The actor's playing, it is insane.
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  She's got a red ribbon on her finger, like we've already established.
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  And these two kids are going to camp. And really, the only thing that the kid,
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  her actual child says, we established that her kid is the boy and his cousin is the girl.
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  Angela is the girl. So we have already kind of established now that the flashback
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  is one of the participants in the lake that must have, you know,
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  survived the boating accident.
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  And they're off to camp, right? They've got their camp gear on.
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  She's bought them some supplies for camp. and all he can say is no chips,
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  which I thought was kind of a cool quote. You know, that's exactly what I'm looking for to do.
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  The main character, Angela, does not speak until 31 minutes into this movie. Wow. Uh-huh.
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  It is not a long movie, and she doesn't say a goddamn thing until 31 minutes.
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  She just stares for most of it. Yeah. Just looks.
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  Just looks. And, you know, it's a creepy look.
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  I know she's an innocent young lady, but someone's berating her.
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  Like, you're a piece of shit.
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  You don't mean nothing. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's nothing. Nothing there, though. It's a vacant stare.
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  It's not like a malicious stare or a creepy stare. Or or or or is it?
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  Or is it? Yeah, exactly. She's drinking it all in, certainly.
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  And let me tell you something.
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  A couple of times it creeps me the hell out. But yeah, I already went over it.
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  She was 13 years old during the making of this movie.
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  And really, all the campers are their age.
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  We're in an age, these younger characters are really older actors.
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  This movie is kind of a vigilante in many ways. But in a different way,
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  it's a vigilante because it actually used people that young.
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  And it kind of has that feeling of being awkward How you are when
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  you're Kind of like a preteen To
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  a teen How things are weird to you And life is just awkward And you know Life
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  is not going the way you thought It was going to go But all of these people
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  are that age Which is why the movie kind of gives off A certain authenticity to it Yeah so.
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  Okay have you guys ever been to camp Allie have you ever been to sleepover camp
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  Sleepaway camp I have not.
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  I was a Girl Scout, and we stayed overnight at a camp, but I never went to an actual sleepaway camp.
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  Okay. Tom? Wait, wait, wait. Repeat that. So you went overnight to a camp?
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  Yeah, so I was a Girl Scout for the Brownies, and we just stayed one night at a camp.
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  So just one overnight. Just one night. So that was my closest experience.
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  So you slept. So you slept there.
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  Right. It was just one night. It was one night. Okay. Yeah, it was just one night.
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  Alright. I have... Oh, a sleep-away camp? Like, how long were you there?
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  For a weekend. It was when I was in college.
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  It was all the leaders of the fraternity, sorority organizations got shuttled off somewhere.
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  I forget where it was. But yeah. No, I'd done it, and it was not fun. It's not fun.
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  Not fun. So...
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  Here we are. All these kids are piling off. You were a counselor,
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  isn't that? Who, me? Yeah.
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  No, no, I was there. Oh, you were just attending it at the camper.
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  Yeah. Okay, cool. So all these campers are climbing off this bus here,
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  and we are introduced to two other characters.
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  Yeah, kids jumping off the bus. They're all happy to be here for the camp.
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  We're looking at two individuals we're meeting, so for the first time,
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  this is our head counselor.
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  Oh geez what is his name uh
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  ronnie ronnie head
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  counselor head counselor ronnie with the booty shorts he's got his jack to the
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  gills and he's got the the famous i guess late 70s early 80s going on and you've
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  also got mel who is who turns out to be the owner of the camp high socks mel as I'm going to call him.
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  He is a real shady looking character, in my opinion.
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  Everybody's yawning at the kids. Orderly fashion. Everybody get out.
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  And I guess as most camps would start, right? Everybody go, don't run,
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  don't run, don't bump into each other. Orderly fashion. Go to your cabins.
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  The rest of the kitchen staff is in the background. These are like a shady group of characters.
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  And I guess we just straight up had a pedophile head cook enter the scene.
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  I thought it was the first time I felt sick to my stomach in the movie. Yeah.
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  My first thought was, I can't wait for him to die. Yeah.
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  Definitely. Because he's a total creep. Yeah. And he's talking about how these
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  kids are ripe for the picking and all this other stuff.
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  These are like 10-year-olds and 13-year-olds.
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  I believe he calls them baldies.
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  That was so weird. Very cringy. Christ!
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  Horrible just horrible and you
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  know what what's even more horrible is that this
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  shit actually happens oh these people exist oh for
• 24:54
  sure so enter paul and
• 24:57
  paul is a friend of ricky's from the last year or the last few years they've
• 25:02
  been to this camp and they're discussing how judy i guess our antagonist our
• 25:08
  primary antagonist amongst other people has developed quote unquote meaning she's looking good.
• 25:14
  I guess she's turned into a young lady instead of no longer having a figure of a young girl.
• 25:20
  I guess Meg is our head... I'm sorry.
• 25:24
  Meg and Suti are our head girl counselors, and everyone's basically just jogging
• 25:29
  to their respective areas.
• 25:31
  Ricky's kind of showing his cousin around. This is where we do this.
• 25:35
  This is where Ronnie Shack is. This is where the arch range is.
• 25:39
  And we get a look at old Judy, who kind of blows off Ricky in in a weird kind
• 25:45
  of I'm better than you way because you're talking to the older dudes.
• 25:47
  This is the first time where I kind of immediately started to get a problem with the movie.
• 25:53
  And my main problem is all of the characters have either a Y or an IE name.
• 25:58
  We got Ricky, we got Ronnie, we got Judy. There will be a Billy in the future.
• 26:04
  There's many other IE or Y names. Eddie is involved at some point.
• 26:08
  There's a lot of IE names.
• 26:09
  And it really messes me up as far as trying to keep track of who the hell everybody
• 26:14
  is. It's another Italian New Yorker thing. I guess so.
• 26:17
  Oh! Oh! Oh! What's your mouth? I'm Irish, but it's fine.
• 26:24
  They got a lot of I, E, and Y names, too. That's true. Yeah. So...
• 26:30
  This is the beginning of Angela's very odd staring issue of the movie.
• 26:38
  She looks like she's horrified every damn second of this movie all the way up
• 26:45
  to the end. We're meeting Meg.
• 26:48
  We're meeting Susie. And this is really where the odd blank staring expression
• 26:54
  begins and starts to unsettle her cabin mates.
• 27:01
  Yeah i don't know really there's not a whole lot left to say about it judy clearly
• 27:06
  is not a big fan of her and kind of like i don't know like i wouldn't be a fan
• 27:10
  of her either at this stage because she's literally just sitting on her bunk
• 27:15
  staring at this girl on top.
• 27:18
  Face expression i don't know what the hell's happening here but uh yes that's
• 27:24
  what's happening in the girl's cabin,
• 27:26
  We eventually flash to the pedo cook, who seems like he's going to molest young Angela just outright.
• 27:35
  It's not a lot of innuendo. He's just basically saying this is what's going
• 27:39
  to happen. Come back to the book. Oh, yeah.
• 27:41
  Oh, they're all pink. They're all pink on the inside.
• 27:44
  Like, what the fuck did he say? Like, what in the world?
• 27:48
  So our jacked head
• 27:51
  counselor ronnie hears from meg that this
• 27:55
  girl angela is just staring out in the outer space not eating and so she's kind
• 28:00
  of asking for some help from ronnie ronnie is clearly a good dude he's going
• 28:05
  to take her back specifically to give her me some special meal from the cook
• 28:09
  the pedo cook who maybe he doesn't
• 28:11
  understand he's a pedo but um he thinks he's doing what a good thing.
• 28:15
  He thinks he's doing a good thing. You know, he sends it right into a buzzsaw.
• 28:19
  I gotta admire Ronnie's junk. It is on full display.
• 28:24
  These thigh shorts, these are high up, man. Jesus.
• 28:28
  The shorts go higher as the movie goes on. Yeah, you're right.
• 28:32
  And it seems like he's getting buffered too.
• 28:34
  That's true. He's seen more buffs than the last and less clothes.
• 28:39
  He's wearing a cutoff shirt with a collar. It's incredible.
• 28:42
  The shit that they got away with Would you imagine me in those shorts?
• 28:46
  No, I don't imagine anyone in these shorts. I don't want to imagine running those shorts.
• 28:50
  But I have to see them. And there they are, packaged on full display.
• 28:55
  So, yeah. The pedo is going to walk this poor, unsuspecting girl into the pack.
• 29:01
  Because she's not very talkative and she still needs to eat.
• 29:04
  And so he leaves Angela in the capable hands so that he can take a phone call of the cook.
• 29:12
  And so we get full arm over the shoulder, belt unbuckling.
• 29:18
  Here comes the Vienna sausage
• 29:21
  It's awful And it doesn't
• 29:24
  happen Thank God Thank God
• 29:28
  Artie Who is the cook's name by the way Artie Trying
• 29:32
  to do some dirt I guess
• 29:35
  your buddy Ricky runs in To discover that
• 29:38
  there's a A scene taking place And before anything actually Takes place they
• 29:44
  all run out to eat And Artie is Boiled He punches some produce foxes or whatever
• 29:51
  in the walking closet because he got caught right-handed, right-handed.
• 29:56
  Really, really gross. Very uncomfortable vibes.
• 30:00
  I guess this is the first time you see Ricky...
• 30:04
  Being the hero to Angela. Guarding up, yeah.
• 30:08
  He's sticking up for her a lot in the movie, and this is probably the first time we see that.
• 30:14
  And Artie, grown man, shakes Ricky around in a threatening way,
• 30:18
  and Ricky gets involved.
• 30:20
  Thank God. Yeah. Thank God. Hey, what are you doing?
• 30:25
  I'm happy the movie didn't take that turn. I know. It takes so many other horrible turns.
• 30:31
  This is the one that we didn't want to see as well, though. Mel,
• 30:34
  I think he smells that there's something rotten in Denmark because they both
• 30:38
  got an exchange a strange glance.
• 30:40
  He's fixing his belt. Yeah.
• 30:42
  And he's like, yes, she must have been scared. Yeah.
• 30:46
  She must have been asking for it. She deserved it. So.
• 30:55
  Standard issue camping uniform. So there is a most gigantic pot that I've ever
• 31:02
  seen in my Yeah, I think we could all fit in that. Bill, Bill,
• 31:06
  I'm going to correct you right here.
• 31:07
  You've never been behind the kitchen in the Greek festivals.
• 31:11
  Oh, does it have that big of a pot?
• 31:14
  Those pots exist. Really?
• 31:17
  I was asking this when I was watching. This guy needs a step stool to get up
• 31:20
  there, and it is impressive.
• 31:22
  The amount of corn that he needs to throw in there in order to feed all these
• 31:27
  damn counselors, and I guess students or campers as well.
• 31:31
  So our Artie goes in And we see from a camera view A guest of our assailant
• 31:37
  Is running around the kitchen Trying to hide from Artie He's coming out of the walk-in.
• 31:44
  And Artie's going to get back on his rickety-ass chair And to do,
• 31:47
  I guess, pour some more salt Into the boiling, a massive boiling pot And here
• 31:52
  we go The beginning of the tragedy That is,
• 31:57
  How gross this kitchen is to you, by the way Yeah, it's all right Like completely It's really...
• 32:01
  Disgusting there's fly paper hanging down with
• 32:04
  all the dead flies on it it's just it sets a really
• 32:07
  gross scene yeah and this guy's got a uniform on his
• 32:10
  white uniform that looks like he hasn't been washed in 14 years and camp just
• 32:13
  started so you know he's not gonna he's this hygiene is not his top priority
• 32:18
  he gets pushed over top of the giant boiling pot and he's claiming hey you better
• 32:25
  cut it out or help me down or you psychopath or and we see someone It's you,
• 32:30
  What are you doing And you pull the chair
• 32:33
  away In order to get the fall over
• 32:36
  this boiling pot And it is successful And
• 32:40
  is it gruesome And it's a five minute long Scream We said the same exact things
• 32:49
  The longest screaming scene I have ever seen commences Wait hold on I reenacted I won't.
• 32:59
  For five minutes straight.
• 33:01
  And, I mean, his burn's too lucrative, man. They do a makeup job on this.
• 33:05
  Or Ben runs in to find him. Yeah, Ben, the helper on the kitchen,
• 33:10
  is like, runs in to find him, just absolutely destroyed by the boiling water.
• 33:18
  It's bubbling. You're watching the bubbles all as he's screaming.
• 33:21
  Horrible. It's like a pizza in an oven. It's disgusting. It is boiling.
• 33:26
  I love pizza. I do love pizza, and I'm going to have a harder time eating it
• 33:31
  now that I already got as burned as you do. Wait, I'm sorry.
• 33:35
  There was bubbling on the skin. Oh, the skin is bubbling like a pizza crust. I watched it.
• 33:41
  Yeah, I didn't watch it properly. It was whole saying to the day.
• 33:46
  I do need to mention that the hands that pull the chair away to facilitate Artie's
• 33:54
  injury, an OSHA recordable injury, no doubt.
• 33:58
  OSHA. OSHA. Yeah. OSHA. They are masculine-looking hands.
• 34:04
  This is clearly a boy's hand very cardiovascularly like they've got veins in
• 34:10
  them it's not a young girl's hand it looks like a young boy's hand.
• 34:16
  The paramedics that take him out, that have him all wrapped up these are not
• 34:20
  actors these are local EMS people that were just on the film set,
• 34:25
  they didn't have money to pay for actors so they just have these guys,
• 34:31
  you can see that The uniform that they're in, it says on the back of it,
• 34:37
  the firehouse that they belong to.
• 34:39
  It's like the Hudson Falls medical or paramedic team or something.
• 34:45
  It says Fort Edwards, Hudson Falls. And it's the hot mirror.
• 34:50
  Do they call 911, these guys?
• 34:54
  They must have. And there's a physician, for some reason, we don't really know
• 34:58
  why, but the guy with a stethoscope, so he must be a doctor.
• 35:02
  He's on scene and he's going to tell him he's basically destroyed every nerve
• 35:06
  ending on his body. And that's why he screamed five minutes straight.
• 35:10
  If you destroyed every nerve ending, you wouldn't feel any pain.
• 35:14
  Right. That's a fair point. It's going that you know that he's hurting,
• 35:19
  though, just based on what we saw, which is not stop yelling. I mean, yeah.
• 35:24
  The owner wants to cover this thing off. We're not interested in reporting this injury.
• 35:29
  Mel is out there. His name, the actor's name that plays Mel is Mike Kellan.
• 35:34
  He died just months after the filming. He never saw this film go to print.
• 35:38
  Yeah, this is the last John in the movies that we see.
• 35:42
  So I'm going to go ahead and give Mike Kellan a moment of silence as the actor
• 35:47
  because I kind of feel bad about that. Only because.
• 35:53
  He had a rich movie history too. Regardless.
• 35:57
  So yeah, Mel is going to confront our buddy Ben and the rest of the kitchen
• 36:03
  staff and offer them, I sort of guess a bribe? 50 more dollars a week.
• 36:09
  In adjusted dollars, we looked this thing up. In adjusted dollars,
• 36:11
  that's $142 extra in their paycheck. That's not bad, huh?
• 36:17
  They're all standing around going, yeah, that's not bad. The rest of the guys,
• 36:21
  they all get some other small stipend. It's like $25 a week.
• 36:25
  They all giggle and laugh about how they're not going to tell anybody.
• 36:29
  It'd be better if they were a union.
• 36:31
  Yeah, that's true. Then they'd have to report it. It'd
• 36:34
  be sort of a mechanism are reporting in dirty
• 36:38
  uh but you know
• 36:40
  162 bucks is sick money i guess and back back then yes but yeah 50 bucks an
• 36:48
  extra an additional a week is uh i guess all right the accident i mean in 1982
• 36:54
  money yeah 1982 money in today's money would be 162 bucks.
• 37:00
  The accident and cover-up is on. The first murder is a secret or murder.
• 37:04
  We don't know that he actually dies.
• 37:06
  I didn't count him in the body count since when he left, he was still amongst
• 37:09
  the living, and we never hear from him ever again. Thank God.
• 37:12
  He can go sit in his hospital bed and writhe in agony for all I care.
• 37:18
  Ben is a black man in the kitchen staff who, I guess, all of his help is also black.
• 37:24
  Is this racist undertones, do we think?
• 37:27
  Oh, yeah. You think so? Okay. Allie, are you too sensitive?
• 37:32
  Oh, no. Not at all. I just think, yeah, probably back then, and he was the number
• 37:37
  two, so... He's the number one now.
• 37:39
  Now he's the number one. He's the number one in my heart. All right, so...
• 37:43
  We're talking about the cafeteria, the kitchen guy, right? The kitchen staff, yeah.
• 37:48
  Ben, the number two. Oh, Mr. Ben.
• 37:52
  That was very like... Yes, sir.
• 37:56
  Yes, sir. Yeah, he played it very much like an old Kind of minstrel-esque,
• 38:01
  Feel, which probably was A thing at the time Regardless of whether it was a
• 38:06
  thing or not a thing I felt like maybe a little bit strange So it's fair to mention it,
• 38:11
  We go back to the boys cabin Where Ricky is performing a trip On a poor,
• 38:18
  Unsuspecting camper Named Mozart, who appears multiple times In the movie Mozart
• 38:23
  sits up really carefully into someone's bare ass.
• 38:27
  Inevitably contracting probably pink eyes, face slabs against his kid's bare ass.
• 38:32
  I don't remember playing tricks on my friends like this, but maybe,
• 38:36
  I guess. Are you sure, Bill? Because you did this on me.
• 38:40
  I didn't. Did I? I'm joking. No. Yeah, because I remember that.
• 38:47
  It was Sasso's, and he's not here. No, and he's startled somewhere, I'm sure of it.
• 38:55
  All right, so we got an all-Italian counselor crew, and they all wear cut-off
• 39:00
  shirts, and they all wear these shortest shorts I've ever witnessed on a human rear end. Shortest.
• 39:08
  Shortest. I don't know how people in the 80s wore these clothes.
• 39:14
  I know. And, I mean, the midriffs that these guys are wearing,
• 39:18
  they're altering these shirts so that their stomach is exposed.
• 39:22
  Yo, bro, you like my abs, bro? You like my abs, bro?
• 39:25
  Yeah, you like my hairy-ass abs? I just don't know how everything isn't falling out.
• 39:30
  Like, even as a female, if you're wearing shorts that short, people can see things.
• 39:35
  I don't know how... That's what we're going for.
• 39:37
  They got nothing to hang out. That's 14.
• 39:42
  That's a fair point as well. These are odd-style choices, you know?
• 39:48
  Well, the counselor men, they're supposed to be a little older.
• 39:51
  I don't know. Yeah, they were looking at like, I guess potentially 18 or 19 years old.
• 39:57
  There's no way.
• 40:01
  Regardless, we now appear at a very contentious baseball game where we are literally
• 40:10
  telling each other to eat shit and die.
• 40:12
  And the line that I love is, You shouldn't live, Bill.
• 40:17
  That was my favorite comeback. I think I'm going to actually work that in my
• 40:21
  rubber You should You know what Bill He shouldn't live.
• 40:28
  That's what I'm talking about I thought that was hilarious The
• 40:31
  baseball scene is extended as hell And it is very vulgar And a lot of strange
• 40:37
  clothing choices Are accentuated And you can really tell the two cabins have
• 40:41
  a lot of Animosity to each other Ricky is a king shit talker man He's doing
• 40:46
  God's work out there on the dime God's work.
• 40:51
  Mozart's playing the worst video game I've ever seen out in the outfield. Makes a killer catch.
• 40:57
  The dude, out of nowhere, looks like a real schlub. These flows don't fit.
• 41:01
  Drops the video game. Makes a killer catch.
• 41:05
  Yeah. That's me out. Off the face, the whole thing. And that's Tom.
• 41:10
  That's Tom's level coordination.
• 41:12
  As he falls down in the outfield making a petrified catch.
• 41:17
  Yeah we're we won a lot of money we
• 41:20
  were betting and we are killing it man
• 41:22
  we're doing a we're when i
• 41:25
  tell you it's a long baseball scene i mean it's a long baseball scene very long
• 41:30
  they really wanted like hey remember baseball yeah it feels great remember childhood
• 41:35
  we're we're gonna make sure you remember this shit because we're gonna sit on
• 41:38
  this and marinate cruminate forever maybe this is the only part that the English approved when it was,
• 41:45
  Well, it would be Cricket.
• 41:50
  Fair point. They were like, what is this game they're playing in this dirt field?
• 41:56
  Cricket. It's Cricket. And we all know Cricket because we all watch Bluey, right?
• 42:02
  Well, we all watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
• 42:06
  Cricket? What are we going to do with that? Cricket? Like, what?
• 42:10
  And Raphael gets his shit dropped.
• 42:13
  There you go. That's right.
• 42:15
  By Casey Jones. By Casey Jones, the masked man.
• 42:19
  Almost looks like Jason, too, which is an interesting segue to getting back to a rec hall.
• 42:23
  We have some sort of social area. It looks like an open day on a wooden structure
• 42:28
  that we all hang out in and look at girls and remark about how Angela is fucked
• 42:33
  up and we need to go and try and get her, I don't know, you know,
• 42:37
  into a precarious type situation.
• 42:39
  We're eating... She looks like a damn robot when she's on that bench eating
• 42:44
  whatever the hell she's eating.
• 42:46
  More girls to skinny dip because they're referring to 15 guys and only 5 girls.
• 42:51
  Right. 100 day sausage party going on. Oh yeah.
• 42:55
  Total sausage party. Sounds like the swingers parties I used to go to.
• 43:01
  That's... That's a strange thing.
• 43:05
  Alright. That poor girl. Alright, so... the guys, they're all going swimming,
• 43:12
  and they're all wanting Angela to get into the water.
• 43:16
  They're trying to spin some game. It's terrible.
• 43:20
  I have a blue oyster culture. Props to blue oyster culture, by the way.
• 43:24
  He's got a mullet. He has no game at all. The other dude in the button-down
• 43:28
  in the friggin' boat shoes.
• 43:32
  He's trying to get her to... It's a whole situation. There's a brawl that ensues
• 43:36
  because Ricky comes up and tries to get her.
• 43:41
  Ricky to the rescue and Ronnie to the rescue.
• 43:44
  This is a theme throughout the entire movie.
• 43:48
  Both Ronnie, the head counselor, and Ricky are on point. Yeah,
• 43:53
  their cousin Ricky, they're on point.
• 43:55
  We see early on that Mel and Meg have got a thing.
• 43:59
  The head woman counselor for our cabin that Angela's in and Mel,
• 44:03
  the owner, they, I don't know, she's kind of flirty and doing some flirty stuff.
• 44:08
  Regardless, something to keep an eye on We've got Angela's First line coming
• 44:13
  up She's not said a goddamn thing the entire time There's a brawl that ensues You know,
• 44:18
  we've got Paul Who approaches her after the fact As these guys are all beating up each other,
• 44:26
  And the mel does nothing to lift a finger on any of this shit He's just liable to the whole thing,
• 44:31
  business owner, like any good business owner, just watches the adolescent boys
• 44:35
  beat the piss out at each other.
• 44:37
  We've got Paul who comes and says, are you okay? And kind of reaches out in
• 44:41
  more of a sensitive area or sensitive time for her, and she says,
• 44:46
  goodnight. A line delivered with such perfection.
• 44:48
  Why does she need to continue to say any other lines?
• 44:54
  Her acting so far has been literally staring out into outer space as if she's seen a ghost.
• 45:01
  She looks as though she's seen Many dead people And she's going to see many
• 45:05
  dead people apparently I don't really have much else to say about this scene
• 45:09
  Ali do you have anything else to say?
• 45:11
  What would you say if someone was trying to defend your honor?
• 45:14
  I mean, that's a good excuse to talk if you've been silent this whole time.
• 45:18
  I mean, the least you can do is say goodnight, in my opinion.
• 45:21
  It's a good idea just to talk for the first time.
• 45:25
  So, yeah. So, we've got a little budding relationship, potentially,
• 45:28
  between Paul and Angela.
• 45:30
  Something to remark on, at least, at a minimum.
• 45:34
  We go then, and Judy is out there looking like, I want to break this up,
• 45:40
  because that's who Judy is.
• 45:41
  She's out there talking to a bunch your mother good eyes.
• 45:43
  Meanwhile, she's looking to make Angela's life a little help.
• 45:47
  So we're back outside. We've got girls pressure boys pressuring girls to skinny dip.
• 45:54
  And the girls do not want to go. And they do not.
• 45:58
  There's just a bunch of dudes who get bare ass naked and jump into the water.
• 46:02
  And I have to tell you, I've never been in a situation in my life that there
• 46:08
  was just a bunch of dudes decided to get naked and jump in the water.
• 46:11
  I heard you never Skinny Dipped before. You never left.
• 46:15
  I Have you done this stuff with a bunch of dudes? No.
• 46:21
  Well, no, I have never Skinny Dipped. I have Skinny Dipped with guys and girls.
• 46:26
  But as if it all, girls? I've never seen this many dudes go in the water skinny dips and by themselves.
• 46:33
  Like, there has to be a girl in there somewhere. Just junk and suntan lines.
• 46:37
  I mean, there are Yeah, obviously it has to be a girl in there but either of that has to be.
• 46:42
  There was not in this scene. In my groups, I was always the first one in. So I can't.
• 46:48
  Go on. You should own the dudes. Go on.
• 46:53
  I guess the good thing's the best. Bill's never lived. He had experience. The idea...
• 46:58
  Bill's never lived. Yes, yes. Go on. Yes, yes. I have very bad luck,
• 47:02
  as we know. My name is very obvious.
• 47:05
  He shouldn't live, Bill. He shouldn't live.
• 47:08
  He shouldn't live, Bill. That should be a good bumper sticker idea.
• 47:12
  So, I think the idea was that if the guys get naked and go in,
• 47:16
  the girls will follow. this backfires woefully.
• 47:19
  None of the girls go in. They won't.
• 47:21
  That's real life. And you know what? Good for them. That is real life.
• 47:25
  God damn it. So the movie has a lot of true-to-true-form aspects to it there.
• 47:30
  There's a guy and a girl that go on a boat. I don't know what these people's
• 47:33
  names are. I don't really give a shit. They're on a canoe.
• 47:36
  They tip. She leaves. The boy, I guess, Kenny. Another one name.
• 47:41
  God damn it. Yeah, no Kenny.
• 47:43
  Kenny is trying to scare this chick. I want to say he's trying to get lucky
• 47:47
  but he's not doing a very good job.
• 47:49
  He literally just antagonizes her away after flipping the boat over.
• 47:53
  I don't know if it's a game at all. The dick move is not going to get you any
• 47:57
  action. No. Oh, we're at this part. Okay. Yeah.
• 48:00
  We are flipping the boat over. Maybe trying to get her in a confined space,
• 48:06
  which is, that's so weird.
• 48:08
  Yeah, very kind of creepy. Why would you do that? Like always Sunny,
• 48:12
  there's the implication they're on the boat. Yeah, it's always an implication
• 48:15
  Are these women in danger?
• 48:19
  It's not a C implication By the way You don't get it at all No,
• 48:24
  I don't, dude, I don't get it It's a C implication It's all about the implications Oh,
• 48:30
  her name is Leslie, another IA name So Kenny and Leslie Get in a canoe They
• 48:35
  both go over, Leslie leaves The chicks all go to They're out, they're real schmucks,
• 48:41
  Kenny is still underneath saying something about, watch out for the water moccasin.
• 48:45
  There's water snakes and, you know, a couple of dundrums and heptics and the whole thing.
• 48:51
  Water snakes. Oh, yeah, water snakes. Watch out for those water snakes.
• 48:55
  There's a person that pops up under the canoe that Kenny is in,
• 48:58
  yelling back on short to the girl he's, I guess, trying to get with.
• 49:03
  And this person drives Kenny. We see the back of the head, a little bit of long hair.
• 49:08
  So if this is a mystery that we're working on, We're going to go off the premise
• 49:12
  that we don't know what's happening.
• 49:14
  This guy gets it. So a moment of silence for Kenny, even though he's kind of dead.
• 49:18
  Rest in peace, Kenny. Rest in peace, Kenny. Is that what a moment of silence is happening?
• 49:23
  Yeah, they... It's a thing.
• 49:27
  This mystery of Salient, we're starting to get the concept that somebody's out
• 49:31
  there running around evening the score. What could it be?
• 49:34
  Guy or girl? I don't know. Well, we saw Masculine Hands, but the second kill,
• 49:40
  or the second accident, quote-unquote, we don't really have a good concept longer here.
• 49:46
  So we don't have a good concept of what's going on here. It's kind of dark here.
• 49:50
  The lake, we come back in the morning, the lake has been trashed.
• 49:53
  We've got a counselor out here who's literally losing his mind.
• 49:56
  I identify with this because every time I wake up and everything's destroyed,
• 50:00
  I'm like, I go off in the house. So here we are.
• 50:04
  We've got a mess. The canoe is floated in.
• 50:09
  He flips the chinny over Because he's got to do a lot of clean up In order to make this suitable,
• 50:14
  For the kids to work Or play or whatever Near this lake area And as we flip
• 50:21
  the boat over, Kenny is dead And it is Rough looking, man There's a snake that comes out of his mouth,
• 50:28
  This face I mean, the may dove This was, yeah, this was very like Ooh,
• 50:34
  damn Yeah It was hard for whatever type of special effect they used.
• 50:42
  I like that they had the water snake coming out of the mouth.
• 50:46
  That concludes the what?
• 50:48
  The water snake comes out of Kenny's mouth on the beach.
• 50:52
  That's a good conclusion to Kenny.
• 50:55
  Right, and then we've got the same pyramid groomed like that.
• 50:59
  You know what it is? It's the eyes.
• 51:01
  It is. The eyes. For sure.
• 51:05
  Dying with the eyes open is always way creepier than eyes closed.
• 51:11
  Too much white. He's got chunks of his face missing.
• 51:15
  He's got snakes coming out of his mouth. Before we do the canoe flip over,
• 51:20
  the counselor that I identified with who's freaking out prior to seeing Kenny's
• 51:26
  face melt away says, this lake is a mess.
• 51:30
  These peckerheads suck. And I think that's a good quote.
• 51:35
  I like that quote. These peckerheads suck.
• 51:37
  Yeah, I can identify with that. Sounds like me at work.
• 51:41
  Yeah, it sounds like me I'm not really so much at work But maybe sometimes We've
• 51:47
  got the good makeup job We've got, a policeman is basically Saying that there's Potentially could be a.
• 51:54
  An accidental death, it could be You know, I don't know,
• 51:58
  A death that is maybe needs to be investigated.
• 52:03
  Take note of the policeman's mustache. This guy comes back. His mustache looks
• 52:09
  robust. It's natural looking.
• 52:11
  Everything. There's nothing to possibly see anything wrong with that mustache.
• 52:16
  Later on, this same gentleman comes back and he clearly shaved his face because
• 52:20
  it is the thickest mustache I've ever seen.
• 52:22
  We'll get there. So Mel is trying to sell the cop on the fact that there's nothing
• 52:27
  to see here. We're not reporting it as an accident.
• 52:29
  We don't want any issue at all.
• 52:33
  He works on another cover-up, whereas Ronnie, the counselor,
• 52:37
  kind of takes the policeman aside and is like, I was going to say before Mel
• 52:40
  Highsox left that that kid was a strong swimmer, and, you know, he would know.
• 52:46
  So Ronnie's kind of putting a little bug in the cops here, like,
• 52:48
  this may not be an accident. This is probably something that needs to be looked a little further into.
• 52:55
  And his arms grew. His arm grew even more, and his pectoral muscles grew even
• 53:00
  more, and his package is even more robust than before, Ron killing it in this entire movie.
• 53:06
  And he never seen him again in any other movie. So this is one moment to really,
• 53:11
  this is his time. This is Ron's time.
• 53:15
  I'm going to take a moment here to talk about the beginning of the movie.
• 53:19
  The beginning of the movie had the two little twins playing in the water with their dad, right?
• 53:25
  The kid, the boy, who's in that scene, did you know that he, a little factoid,
• 53:33
  he is the brother, the older brother of a cast member on the Jersey Shore show, the situation?
• 53:44
  That little kid is the older brother of the situation there,
• 53:48
  there's still a show going on at the Jersey Shore yeah I haven't watched a show,
• 53:54
  personally I felt like it was a strange kind of,
• 53:59
  yeah, I didn't know the older brother was in anything it's a factoid,
• 54:02
  if nothing else, these people are all famous in some way that he's a child actor
• 54:07
  and his other brother gets into a reality show that's a hit in the,
• 54:12
  2000s time frame. That's crazy.
• 54:15
  It's a bit weird. It's a strange little... But it also shows you how Hollywood is all connected.
• 54:23
  It's all kind of incestual in a way, isn't it?
• 54:26
  They all kind of... They stick with the same groups of people.
• 54:30
  They all drink kids' blood? Yeah, maybe. I've never been to those parties, so I don't know.
• 54:40
  That's that's beyond my pay grade sir i know i'm not drinking any kids but,
• 54:45
  the next scene is the volleyball game yeah yes i did say yeah and i really meant
• 54:50
  it the the next scene is a volleyball game scene that asshole judy is wearing
• 54:56
  a judy shirt on the front of her shirt what in the hell is that about,
• 55:02
  I thought the same thing. Yeah, she's just, you know, the sideways ponytail,
• 55:07
  the nasty face, the curmudgeon face. I don't really like anything about Judy. She's a douchebag.
• 55:14
  Meg, the counselor, gets nasty with Angela, who is not participating.
• 55:19
  Angela's on the sideline talking to our friend Paul.
• 55:23
  I guess the boys and the girls are not supposed to come in when we're doing
• 55:27
  activities. They're playing volleyball.
• 55:29
  Angela's not participating. Judy calls her out. Meg goes over,
• 55:32
  the counselor being the authority figure, tells the dude Paul to scram.
• 55:37
  Angela is, you know, giving all the verbal cues to Paul, then slowly turns and
• 55:42
  goes back into silent mode when Meg is talking to her, which is fucking bizarre.
• 55:47
  And we've got a clear conflict between the authority figure and Angela.
• 55:56
  I don't know, you know, they... Ah.
• 55:59
  Yep. Susie is also to the rescue. Whenever Meg starts coming at Angela.
• 56:06
  Susie steps in and stands up for her.
• 56:09
  And Angela talks to Susie, no problem.
• 56:13
  But isn't the crazy part of the scene, the guy that's been trying to hit on her, leaves?
• 56:20
  Yeah, well, I guess so. Why is that crazy?
• 56:23
  Why are you putting her in a spot now? I don't know. I didn't find it crazy
• 56:28
  just because Meg is the older authority figure, so he's like,
• 56:31
  I better get out of here, which the West told me to bounce.
• 56:35
  Yeah, but like, you know, you're kind of interested in this...
• 56:40
  Person. Right. You're saying he should have stuck up for her a little bit.
• 56:43
  Just be like, hey, what's your problem?
• 56:46
  That's a good point. He immediately just like, oh, gotta go.
• 56:50
  You know what I would say, Tom? I'd say that's a red flag in a relationship.
• 56:54
  Even though they are only 13-year-olds, goddammit, you should stick up for your woman.
• 57:00
  Huge red flag. I'm with you. Paul and Angela later on in the night are holding
• 57:04
  hands coming out of that little social hall, and,
• 57:08
  they have a first kiss type scene and Judy's behind them sort of giving them
• 57:13
  the mad dog when I'm on the way out, giving them a stink eye.
• 57:16
  There's a kissing scene which is the most awkward thing I have ever witnessed.
• 57:24
  It's a kiss where one person is not participating and then another person is
• 57:30
  wanting more than the other person.
• 57:32
  It's like I got a sort of form for first kiss as far as first kisses go.
• 57:36
  It's very uncomfortable. Yeah.
• 57:39
  Do you remember your first kiss, though? I do.
• 57:44
  It wasn't pretty, but I don't think it was as ugly as this. He still got some problems.
• 57:52
  He kisses her and she looks like he just farted and then he says,
• 57:56
  can I do it again, another goodnight kiss and he goes in again.
• 58:01
  She kind of like rolls her eyes and gets out of there like somebody just, again,
• 58:06
  farted in the pew at church i can relate to that you
• 58:08
  know similar similar first kiss
• 58:11
  situation like really oh oh all right let's do
• 58:15
  it i don't know i wasn't like eyeballing him like angela maybe he was maybe
• 58:22
  boys are kind of decided that they're going to make the first move to their
• 58:25
  they're more mentally prepared than the than the ambushee who's who's got this
• 58:30
  sprung upon them unbeknownst to them. This was a plan the entire time.
• 58:35
  If you're, like, really into the person, I feel like you'd be really into the
• 58:37
  kiss, but if you're not into the person, it's like, oh, God,
• 58:40
  this guy just kissed me now. What do I do?
• 58:42
  Well, see, Bill, I'm going to.
• 58:45
  I can't make the first move. Really? You don't make the first move on a date? Really?
• 58:52
  You let the girl make the first move? I'll move on that. That is a strange move, sir.
• 58:58
  Yeah, I know, but it's kind of got to feel, like, natural.
• 59:02
  Yeah. Oh, I agree. And I have been in a few situations where it seemed like I should make a move.
• 59:08
  I did anyway, and it blew up in my face.
• 59:11
  So... Yeah, so that's the thing. Like, I'm, like, I can maybe make the move,
• 59:16
  but I don't want it to blow up in my face.
• 59:19
  Rejection's a hell of a drug. Yeah, rejection would be tough.
• 59:23
  The boys are back in their cabin as the awkward kiss is concluded.
• 59:27
  Paul goes back to his cabin.
• 59:29
  The boys are all huddled around that poor son-of-a-bitch Mozart who's getting
• 59:33
  whipped cream in his hand and tickling his face so that he squashes it directly
• 59:38
  in his face. I have been the victim of this, and I have done this to other people.
• 59:43
  This is a classic. But Mozart does not feel happy about what just happened to
• 59:48
  him as he grabs a knife and begins to run around the cabin wanting to stab Ricky,
• 59:55
  who is the ringleader of this whole thing. And I'm telling you,
• 59:57
  we're going to see this knife later.
• 59:58
  It's a straight edge knife. This is no little fucking butter knife.
• 1:00:01
  This is a real deal, Holyfield.
• 1:00:03
  I cannot relate to chasing someone around with a knife. But, you know, whatever.
• 1:00:11
  You haven't lived in a...
• 1:00:14
  Household. I don't know. You can chase around with a knife like that? No.
• 1:00:20
  But I've heard of other people that have. Right. Okay. It's happened. It's happened.
• 1:00:28
  Well, Ricky doesn't care. Obviously, he's also had this situation happen to him.
• 1:00:32
  Maybe his crazy beret-wearing mother chases him around the house with a knife.
• 1:00:37
  He lobbies against the taking of the knife. I have no idea why, but...
• 1:00:42
  At the end of this thing, there is the oddest pig pile.
• 1:00:46
  Oh, yeah, the pig pile. Does that happen at boys' sleepovers?
• 1:00:49
  No, I've never... Every time, but we're naked.
• 1:00:55
  It's right after skinny dipping by ourselves... Exactly. ...that we all jump
• 1:00:59
  on some dude who, I guess, had a kiss with a girl.
• 1:01:02
  And in order to celebrate that, all of our genitalia needs to be firmly placed
• 1:01:07
  up against each other in a pig pile.
• 1:01:08
  Oiled and oiled up. oil, rice, and a lot of head of greeting.
• 1:01:13
  The oil is important. It comes off weird and it never becomes unweird.
• 1:01:22
  In the beginning of the next scene, we've got Paul and Angela.
• 1:01:27
  We're doing the guessing game. Guess who? And he covers up her eyes.
• 1:01:32
  She guesses her cousin. She guesses Burt Reynolds.
• 1:01:36
  And then, surprise, it's Paul, and the romance just continues to bud.
• 1:01:42
  Lots of good, you know, wilt.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah. You know, lots of lots of good body language.
• 1:01:50
  Of course, Judy's gotta come over and ruin this shit. They're vibing big time.
• 1:01:54
  She comes over and says some nasty comment.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah. Judy is again the mean girl and calls on Meg to kind of gang up on her, and what they do,
• 1:02:05
  Meg comes over and, like, the Terminator heat-seeking missile goes right to
• 1:02:10
  Angela I guess she's looking the dude also pales again.
• 1:02:15
  I'm sorry time out, time out, time out,
• 1:02:19
  Alright, this is the point where they're all sitting down Yeah Again,
• 1:02:24
  that's Alright Yeah, so I think I think I know where we're at the movie That's all I wanted to know.
• 1:02:33
  So Meg Tries to elicit an answer from Angela Why don't you go swimming She just
• 1:02:39
  gives her the death stare And shakes the absolute shit out of her Bouncing her
• 1:02:43
  head around I don't know where Ronnie is, but he's flying in like Superman again Getting Meg off of her,
• 1:02:49
  They're armed more famey than before, looking like the goddamn Incredible Hulk.
• 1:02:54
  Look at those pants. I know. They're popping up. In that juice. In that juice.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah, he's definitely in mid-cycle. And he's looking great, yeah.
• 1:03:02
  You know, I'm going to rub them up for Bronnie. It's not going to be quelled
• 1:03:06
  at all through this episode.
• 1:03:08
  Bronnie, you're going to ask you again. Pardon me.
• 1:03:11
  As Angela's stare down into Meg was, I guess, not well-received.
• 1:03:16
  Get a hold of yourself. A plane, that airplane scene sort of reminiscent of that.
• 1:03:21
  We got Angela now back at the, Angela and Judy, swarming again back in the cabin
• 1:03:29
  right after the scene where Meg shakes the absolute shit out of Angela.
• 1:03:34
  We've got the line of the movie, I think. And I've seen this movie twice.
• 1:03:39
  First time, Ali said I called it out as well.
• 1:03:43
  This scene has the line of it.
• 1:03:46
  Time I guess I react the same way you're a carpenter's dream as flat as a board and ready to screw,
• 1:03:54
  wow that's it yes that's it that's the scene and let me I'm just going to play
• 1:03:59
  the clip real quick Tom hold on one second.
• 1:04:03
  That's not it. That's not it. Hold on. Hold on. Technical difficulties.
• 1:04:10
  Vlad is a board and needs a screw. Yeah, I popped really hard.
• 1:04:17
  So that gets the nice lady camp counselor, not Meg, but Susie,
• 1:04:23
  to slap the ever-loving shit out of Judy.
• 1:04:26
  Five fingers across the face. Loved it.
• 1:04:29
  Yeah, Judy, when five fingers say cross the face. Yeah. Slap.
• 1:04:33
  Slap. And she's Rick James right now.
• 1:04:35
  The surviving slap and the whole thing, Angela kind of stumbles out to go see
• 1:04:43
  her cousin and there is an ensuing balloon fight, water balloon fight on a roof.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah, this is weird. Have you ever had a balloon fight on a roof, Tom?
• 1:04:55
  On a roof? On a roof of a cabin. But they're literally throwing like with no warning.
• 1:05:04
  Oh, yeah. No, no. They're festivals each other on the roof, and then they jump
• 1:05:09
  into effect and toss a balloon at Angela's face. She goes down like a sack of shit.
• 1:05:14
  You know, I gotta be honest with you. A balloon fight on the roof throws me
• 1:05:17
  for a loop, but Angela's going on the chops.
• 1:05:21
  That's borderline assault. Okay, I'm with you.
• 1:05:24
  And it really rides to the occasion of Ricky losing his ever-loving mind to
• 1:05:28
  defend his cousin. I mean, going to the point where he was so unstable In the
• 1:05:34
  defense of his cousin Hey, hey Yeah, I don't know You cocksuckers!
• 1:05:39
  Like, he's like, it's over and over and over again And he was wearing the Yankee
• 1:05:42
  shirt And he's wearing the Yankee shirt Well, I think we answered the question Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah, Mel decides that everyone is in trouble.
• 1:05:54
  The kids on the roof, equal punishment to Ricky, just cursing them all out,
• 1:05:58
  calling them pricks and all types of other things.
• 1:06:01
  I don't know. Does the penalty fit the crime? The kids on the roof getting the
• 1:06:05
  same punishment as Ricky cursing them all out because of his filthy mouth, quote unquote.
• 1:06:11
  Does that seem like a fair... Does Five Socks, Mel, give them the fair treatment there?
• 1:06:18
  Yeah. Is it a good judgment call? Yeah, they deserve the same punishment.
• 1:06:23
  Really? I don't think so.
• 1:06:25
  It's being dangerous. Mel wants to keep his camp in order to put him on any
• 1:06:28
  more accidents. Well, this fight was, this water balloon fight on the roof was
• 1:06:31
  happening with Mel in the background.
• 1:06:33
  He had already seen the goddamn thing happen. Presumably.
• 1:06:36
  He's blind. The only reason he jumps in is because somebody gets hit in the
• 1:06:39
  face and goes down like a sack of potatoes.
• 1:06:42
  And this kid's ready to fight. These kids are tower Oprah Rickey, by the way.
• 1:06:47
  This guy's better he's got a lot of that's like this it's not the size of the
• 1:06:50
  dog but the size of the fight in the dog hey I don't know,
• 1:06:55
  Scrappy Ricky he gets punished the kids on the roof get punished,
• 1:07:00
  I don't know I'm not into that but the line that Mel says to Angela are you
• 1:07:06
  okay Angela after getting in the face with the,
• 1:07:09
  water balloon you better change before you catch pneumonia what an old person
• 1:07:14
  thing to say a little bit of what.
• 1:07:18
  All right, let's take back.
• 1:07:22
  Water balloons to the dome. Right.
• 1:07:26
  Like, that's straight assault. Oh, I mean, seriously? Have you never been hit
• 1:07:31
  with a water balloon, Tom? You don't normally aim for the face.
• 1:07:34
  I do normally aim for the face. I play for keeps when I play water balloon fights.
• 1:07:39
  Everyone knows what they're getting into. Now, Angela did not know what she was getting into.
• 1:07:44
  However, the warning from Mel to change before you get pneumonia has anyone
• 1:07:49
  in the history of water balloon fights summer, ever to track pneumonia to the
• 1:07:53
  point where they need to be born with guys?
• 1:07:56
  That's an oddity. I don't care who you are. It's a weird line. It's a weird line.
• 1:08:00
  And that's really, yeah, we're not... Alright. That's a very odd take from Mel,
• 1:08:06
  who's just basically trying to cover up any issue that's ever happened at his
• 1:08:09
  campsite or his overnight camping area.
• 1:08:13
  I do want to say that the scene...
• 1:08:16
  Bill asked me this question before that how real
• 1:08:20
  or not real of what's happening in the girls cabin
• 1:08:24
  versus the boys or even just outside of course the
• 1:08:27
  guys are gonna roughhouse they bust each other's balls they
• 1:08:31
  fight they wrestle but then they're kind of still friends at the end of the day the girls
• 1:08:34
  i think this movie really does capture how
• 1:08:37
  evil girls are to each
• 1:08:40
  other especially behind the scenes and especially if
• 1:08:43
  a boy is involved like judy doesn't really want paul or anything like that but
• 1:08:49
  just because another girl is getting attention the other girls act evil towards
• 1:08:54
  them yeah so I feel like this is a more realistic take on what camp would be
• 1:08:58
  like at an actual sleepaway camp as opposed to,
• 1:09:02
  spiteful as opposed to can I add to that bill yeah of course,
• 1:09:07
  So, you know, I went to college. I was in a Greek organization, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:09:13
  But what I heard from the sororities.
• 1:09:19
  Absolutely, like... Yeah, the feelings are longer on each other.
• 1:09:23
  So hard, yeah. So, like, this... Like, now that I'm thinking of it now, this makes sense.
• 1:09:30
  Yeah. It's really realistic with how evil the women actually are.
• 1:09:35
  More so than other horror movies that you've seen where there is a mean girl
• 1:09:38
  in the mix it's more realistic women are like girls are just harder on girls,
• 1:09:45
  not saying not saying that,
• 1:09:49
  but guys are harder on guys. Well, you have some reason. We don't just bully.
• 1:09:55
  Well, that's true. And I know in more recent times, bullying has been cut down.
• 1:10:02
  There's been campaigns upon campaigns to cut down on bullying.
• 1:10:05
  It's not really tolerated schools. I mean, I got bullied all the time when I
• 1:10:08
  was in high school, but I do have to say that there's some sort of tribalism
• 1:10:13
  that happens with, I guess, with younger kids.
• 1:10:16
  They all don't kind of band together. They put on the weakest kid And they just
• 1:10:19
  continue to Almost like prison mentality, right?
• 1:10:23
  Like they all are in the same area And there's something about the human condition Exactly.
• 1:10:28
  It identifies the weak one And then they all stand together in order to Continue
• 1:10:33
  to beat on this person Who's unsuspecting,
• 1:10:36
  It's a weird thing that we all deal with As human beings So I've got something,
• 1:10:45
  Angela goes back to factory reset after she gets hit in the face with a water bottle.
• 1:10:51
  Back to the movie. Yeah, she goes,
• 1:10:55
  directly up to the deadest face I've ever seen, even before when she was just
• 1:11:01
  at the moment, even like the eight years later scene, in the beginning of the
• 1:11:05
  movie when there were tears with the hand.
• 1:11:07
  She goes so dead-faced after the water balloon that I'm taken back by how this
• 1:11:14
  water balloon has impacted her. I thought maybe she contracted pneumonia instantly.
• 1:11:18
  But that's just me. We have a factoid here. My name is Billy,
• 1:11:22
  and I was allergic to bees, and I never went to camp.
• 1:11:26
  So I feel like I just confessed something to you guys.
• 1:11:30
  There's another Billy that's about to get some bees to his mug.
• 1:11:34
  He goes to the bathroom. Can anybody take a shit around here at peace?
• 1:11:38
  Is one of the lines that he says right before he gets stung to death.
• 1:11:43
  Billy goes into the stall, and there's a little room with his frippy-ass looking door and knobs.
• 1:11:48
  The broom goes across the stalls it is in order to lock him in.
• 1:11:53
  And then someone on the opposite side, Knife's open the screen and dumps in a beehive.
• 1:12:01
  That presumably destroys this kid. Would that door broom combo to lock the stall,
• 1:12:09
  would that hold you in there, Toll?
• 1:12:11
  Absolutely fucking not. No. There's no possible way.
• 1:12:15
  No way. There's two screws on the handle. You're pushing right through that.
• 1:12:21
  Shoulder tackle that door or I would squeeze underneath. Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:12:30
  I'd be on my belly crawling out. If I couldn't undo Fort Knox of this stall,
• 1:12:36
  I would be on my belly crawling down to get the hell away from all my bees.
• 1:12:40
  Not cool The makeup job on
• 1:12:43
  Dead Billy Who by the way was involved
• 1:12:46
  with the water balloon incident That as I said He's kind
• 1:12:49
  of the ringleader of the water balloon incident On the roof The makeup
• 1:12:53
  job is so gruesome It looks like there's raspberries
• 1:12:56
  on his arms With the welts of the
• 1:12:59
  bees That stung him Oh yeah blisters everywhere Giant butt It was rough looking
• 1:13:06
  man Thanks for crawling in and out you can say what you want about the validity
• 1:13:10
  of this movie it's a 10 on all levels of the makeup the effects are unbelievable
• 1:13:16
  and they're all real by the way these are all real.
• 1:13:21
  It is it is a scene and a half and Mel has an idea so he actually got stung
• 1:13:28
  by bees no no well there's an actor who really did put bees on his face live
• 1:13:34
  bees like they put some sort of like They use the smoke. You know how they feel like the beehive?
• 1:13:40
  Go to disperse them and put them where they want them to go.
• 1:13:44
  Well, when there's... All right. So I'm going to tell you some knowledge.
• 1:13:48
  Go ahead. When there's smoke with bees, it makes them very docile.
• 1:13:53
  Right. So when they sense smoke, they eat honey, and it makes them very like, okay, we're cool.
• 1:14:04
  So like oh we gotta get out of here got it so they won't stay me,
• 1:14:14
  And I guess that's how the actors kind of deal with that, too.
• 1:14:17
  And that's a good trick by the beekeepers as well.
• 1:14:22
  You can pay me enough to have that amount of bees on my face.
• 1:14:25
  I once was allergic, but I have no longer.
• 1:14:28
  The EpiPen situation is no longer something I need to worry about.
• 1:14:32
  However, Mel, we switch to Mel, who's got an idea that there's a killer on the
• 1:14:37
  loose, that he's ruined financially.
• 1:14:39
  Everybody's getting their kids from the camp.
• 1:14:42
  Ronnie tries to defuse the situation. There's only about 25 kids left.
• 1:14:47
  Mel is very apoplectic about how he's finished financially. It seems like Mel
• 1:14:51
  is fuming and wanting and gunning for somebody. Who is he gunning for?
• 1:14:58
  He doesn't say the name. Allie, who is he gunning for? Who does he think the
• 1:15:01
  killer is? He believes it's Ricky. You think so?
• 1:15:05
  I think he's convinced it's Ricky, always defending his cousin.
• 1:15:09
  Just based on the shouting match we had at the rooftop thing?
• 1:15:11
  And all the anger he shows and just any aggression.
• 1:15:16
  He yells a lot. He swears a lot. So he thinks he's capable of murder.
• 1:15:21
  Tom, do you think that Mel thinks that Ricky's a killer?
• 1:15:27
  No. Bullshit. You don't think he thinks that? Nope. Who do you think he thinks
• 1:15:32
  it is? Does he have no idea? No.
• 1:15:35
  He has no idea. He doesn't know what the fuck's going on. I completely agree with that.
• 1:15:41
  Mel High Sox, it does come off like a complete looney tune in this entire thing.
• 1:15:46
  But he is a man with a little bit of power in this little kingdom of his.
• 1:15:50
  He's going to run around, and I guess, in fact, his own internal investigation, as it were.
• 1:15:55
  Angela seeks out to meet Paul in the back of some area, I guess a cabin area.
• 1:16:04
  And she says oh i thought you were the killer like
• 1:16:08
  you know oh she's so scared gives a scare summertime
• 1:16:11
  love blooms they roll they tussle around in the sand there's an entire little
• 1:16:16
  scene where he's trying to go for a boob maybe they're trying to get to first
• 1:16:20
  base yes we're in full swing as far as love is in the air little hearts and
• 1:16:26
  bubbles and butterflies are flying around,
• 1:16:28
  these two kids that are tussling around in the beach area.
• 1:16:34
  But out of nowhere, she gets up, runs around, runs away.
• 1:16:40
  When the flashback hits? I think this is when the flashback hits, right? Yeah.
• 1:16:46
  It's a very odd flashback. Do you remember the flashback time?
• 1:16:51
  This is a flashback where Angela, I guess, has some sort of a thought about her past.
• 1:16:58
  Is it when the flashback happens? I think it's the two little kids who see the guts.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah, right there. So there's two little kids in the doorway and there's two
• 1:17:08
  males laying in bed together, kind of caressing each other and giving a little,
• 1:17:13
  you know, a very loving embrace of two male lovers.
• 1:17:17
  And we now find out for the first time that dad, from the beginning of the boat scene,
• 1:17:22
  John, and the other person who's mature, who looks shocked when the boat runs over the whole family,
• 1:17:29
  these two were lovers together, because they're in a relationship,
• 1:17:33
  and there's a scene where the two twins are sitting in the bed rotating,
• 1:17:37
  and the boy is pointing at the girl, and it's a little bit unsettling,
• 1:17:41
  the entire thing is black background, there's not a lot It's clearly like a memory.
• 1:17:47
  She comes back to reality, Angela rather, pushes old boy off,
• 1:17:52
  who's trying to go a little bit further than maybe she was comfortable with, and she scampers off.
• 1:17:57
  What are our thoughts about the flashback scene?
• 1:18:01
  Was it as awkward for me as it was to you guys? I'm here.
• 1:18:06
  Maybe awkward. Definitely awkward. Yeah.
• 1:18:11
  Yeah, that scene with them as kids and they're pointing at each other, like, I...
• 1:18:18
  Didn't like that. I didn't really get it that first time around watching it,
• 1:18:24
  I'm like, why is this scene even in the movie? I didn't understand it at first.
• 1:18:29
  And it comes to light a little bit further down the road, but the gay lover
• 1:18:32
  scene, that's a little bit advanced for its time.
• 1:18:36
  We're talking about 83. 83.
• 1:18:40
  During the height of the AIDS epidemic. Yeah.
• 1:18:44
  And gay relationships are not out there.
• 1:18:47
  This is not something that's common, at least consumed media material.
• 1:18:53
  It's not like a thing that we all talk about. It's almost a taboo at this stage.
• 1:18:58
  It's before my time. I was born in 84, but I would assume that,
• 1:19:03
  I mean, even in the 90s, it was in the taboo range.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah, that's why, like, alright.
• 1:19:10
  I know where we are in the movie review part. You know where we are?
• 1:19:16
  No, I do not know where we are. All right.
• 1:19:20
  Well, we've got the two lovebirds on the beach rolling around in the sand.
• 1:19:26
  We've got a flashback of the two, apparently the father and the gay lover together
• 1:19:32
  in bed as the two twins watch on and kind of giggle.
• 1:19:35
  And we've got the two twins sitting on the bed, one boy pointing at the girl as it rotates.
• 1:19:42
  And now we're heading to the flag football scene. We're doing flag football. Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  The flag football scene, it's a very small group of kids.
• 1:19:52
  Almost everyone is left because of the presumed killer on the loose.
• 1:19:56
  There's only about 25 kids left.
• 1:19:58
  And we're playing flag football. We're running around playing capture the flag.
• 1:20:02
  It's just not football at all. It's capture the flag.
• 1:20:05
  Oh, right. Sorry. We used to play kick the can. I never played capture the flag. I don't know.
• 1:20:10
  The flag needs flags. We didn't have flags. We got a camp. Wait,
• 1:20:13
  wait, wait. I'm sorry. You never played capture the flag?
• 1:20:16
  I mean, in school, possibly.
• 1:20:19
  But when in the neighborhood...
• 1:20:22
  We played kick the can, which is basically the same premise.
• 1:20:25
  Kind of come out of a hiding spot, run up to the can. There's somebody goaltending the can.
• 1:20:29
  And if they put two hands on you, you're out or whatever.
• 1:20:33
  It's the same sort of concept. You ever play stickball?
• 1:20:37
  Stickball? Yeah.
• 1:20:40
  I, yeah, I have played stickball. Won't you give me a hand job?
• 1:20:45
  Not really. I don't like to play handball with me. Fine.
• 1:20:50
  No, like with a blue ball You can't be going, oh, there's two people Yeah,
• 1:20:55
  exactly, that's what I got I got blue balls I'm telling you what You gotta figure
• 1:21:01
  something else out Because I can't help you out This will not be the dad scene
• 1:21:05
  in the bet With me and you tonight,
• 1:21:08
  So we're playing The flag.
• 1:21:12
  We got Angela and Paul There's a little bit of a recap on What did you run and da-da-da-da-da.
• 1:21:18
  It's a comical blank stare, run off into the distance type thing.
• 1:21:25
  I have to go. She runs.
• 1:21:27
  Like, as in I gotta go return some videotapes? Or, like, is this an American
• 1:21:32
  Psycho type of excuse? I have to go.
• 1:21:35
  She runs out into the woods.
• 1:21:37
  I need to return some videotapes. Exactly. That's the weird excuse that she gives. I have to go.
• 1:21:44
  She gives no explanation of Paul. who's definitely desperate to make amends with her.
• 1:21:49
  Judy swoops in to tempt the young Paul with her developed body and her sideways ponytail.
• 1:21:57
  The cousins reunite on the road with the dumbest plan and nonsensical plan I
• 1:22:01
  had ever heard of to win a capture the flag game where it's so convoluted that
• 1:22:07
  they're going to hide in the woods and they're going to jump out and get the
• 1:22:11
  flag at some point, whatever.
• 1:22:12
  It's a whole weird scene. It's
• 1:22:14
  basically just nonsense to get us into the woods so we can discover...
• 1:22:19
  Two kids, Judy and Paul, kind of making out. That wasn't so bad.
• 1:22:25
  All of these kids are in the woods. We got four out of the 25 kids in the woods.
• 1:22:29
  Who the hell is out there playing the game?
• 1:22:31
  Half the damn residents of this camp are now in the woods trying to try to,
• 1:22:36
  you know, play and kiss each other. I don't know.
• 1:22:39
  This was before Lyme disease. This was before that, right. This was before the
• 1:22:44
  Lyme's disease epidemic hits.
• 1:22:47
  We're just running around in a brush with a pie. The highest shorts you've ever
• 1:22:49
  seen. No one's worried about ticks or nothing. At this point, who's the killer?
• 1:22:54
  Allie, when you first saw him, who did you think the killer was?
• 1:22:57
  I'm leaning towards Ricky. Really? Who's the killer?
• 1:23:01
  Hmm. Wait, I'm here. Hmm.
• 1:23:05
  I don't know. It's hard to tell. Hard to tell at this point.
• 1:23:09
  I thought for sure it was Ricky, too.
• 1:23:13
  Ricky? Yeah, he... I don't know. He's kind of giving off this weird, angry vibe.
• 1:23:20
  And he's getting angrier as the movie continues. He gets more and more angry.
• 1:23:25
  So, yeah, we discover that Paul is making out with Judy. They both discover them individually.
• 1:23:32
  That wasn't so bad. Judy teases Angela stares blankly it's kind of rinse and repeat at this point,
• 1:23:41
  Mel so after the kissing scene
• 1:23:44
  yeah we're all discovered we're all chasing after each other we've all discovered
• 1:23:47
  that each other are making out with each other regardless we're back at the
• 1:23:52
  watering hole on the league side Paul's trying to apologize to Angela where
• 1:23:57
  she completely just checked the fuck out mentally she's just staring off of the sunset.
• 1:24:03
  Judy teases Angela. Angela stares blankly.
• 1:24:06
  Mel questions Ricky by the lake as well and sort of gives him like the old Columbo
• 1:24:13
  questioning where were you and what are you doing and how's your summer been and the whole thing.
• 1:24:18
  Meg and Judy gang up on Angela and toss her into the lake.
• 1:24:22
  In front of the owner who does something, who does nothing as well again,
• 1:24:27
  is complicit in the bullying of children.
• 1:24:31
  He tries to hold Ricky back You're not going to protect her this time Yeah Physically
• 1:24:37
  accosting Ricky In the meantime.
• 1:24:41
  This guy Mel's a real clown There's a lot of
• 1:24:44
  staring by Angela And then she gets tossed in the lake for her effort Everybody
• 1:24:48
  acts like this is A really big deal Which I guess it is You've got these people
• 1:24:54
  who are in charge These counselors who are in charge of these kids And they're
• 1:24:58
  bullying other children Mike's supposed to be taking care of her,
• 1:25:01
  not ganging up with the other...
• 1:25:05
  Campers and throwing her in water. Yeah. Who just dumps our children into a camp?
• 1:25:13
  Well, somebody does. Or somebody used to. We talked about how negligent on parents, too.
• 1:25:19
  If you're part of these 25 campers that are left here, why have you not brought your child home yet?
• 1:25:25
  There's been a few deaths so far. Right.
• 1:25:29
  That, too. At some point, if you're not taking your kid out of this,
• 1:25:34
  there's been multiple deaths.
• 1:25:35
  There's been an injury, a serious burn victim injury.
• 1:25:39
  No one's taking their kid out? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out.
• 1:25:43
  But there's no way to let people know, because we're thinking of today.
• 1:25:48
  I don't think we can text people. That's a good point.
• 1:25:52
  I don't know, man. At some point. A telephone. A telephone has been invented.
• 1:25:59
  It's an answer, that seems, certainly.
• 1:26:01
  Come get your kid. All these other kids and dying.
• 1:26:04
  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My phone don't work. Or do you think it's the kids calling home?
• 1:26:09
  Like, hey, mom. Give me the hell out of here. Billy just died in the bathroom
• 1:26:13
  with all these bees. Can I come home?
• 1:26:15
  Like, they don't ask for the fire. Because I don't think Mel is sending out a message to anyone.
• 1:26:21
  I don't think Mel or any of the... Well, maybe Ronnie is.
• 1:26:24
  Maybe Ronnie's out there trying to call Darren's because Ronnie saves the day
• 1:26:28
  again, shakes Mel out of his stupid rage before he gives You know,
• 1:26:33
  Ricky and old DDT on the sand front there.
• 1:26:36
  His response is, huh? As he's getting shaken out of his rage. Like my response.
• 1:26:43
  That's my own response. So we've got a counselor meeting.
• 1:26:47
  We're now, we're done with the beach. We're at the counselor meeting out in front of the main cabin.
• 1:26:52
  Ronnie's handing out some assignments. It's an off day for a lot of the counselors
• 1:26:55
  since half these kids are gone.
• 1:26:57
  Eddie, another IE name, gets the short straw. and he's got to take some young
• 1:27:02
  boys camping and he's pissed.
• 1:27:05
  A group of boys, the young boys, who he's got to take out in the middle of nowhere
• 1:27:09
  to camp, which doesn't seem like very much fun because by the time they get
• 1:27:13
  out at camp, it's pretty black, so I don't know. We're not making a fire in time.
• 1:27:17
  We're not actually having any fun. We're just going out in the middle of the
• 1:27:20
  night and setting up tents. Very odd move.
• 1:27:23
  Meg wants to sleep with high socks Mel. We had a little bit of foreshadowing in this before.
• 1:27:30
  She's kind of doing the old hair flip, and then I'm three later.
• 1:27:34
  Yeah, what a weird matchup. Meg, not the most attractive girl in the world, but what the fuck?
• 1:27:41
  A lot younger and a lot cuter than Mel. Mel?
• 1:27:44
  You mean we're after a month? Does Mel have any money? I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:27:48
  I don't know what's going on there. But they're looking to set up some sort of date situation.
• 1:27:54
  So Meg, the nasty bitch that she is, goes back to her cabin,
• 1:27:58
  goes to shower up to get ready for her date.
• 1:28:01
  And there's a line so she goes to a different cabin she unlocked the key code
• 1:28:07
  there I don't think I would ever shower in the regular shower if there was open
• 1:28:11
  cabins because of all the kids that go staying Was there a normal shower?
• 1:28:17
  Yeah there's a normal shower that everybody's in a line for but no one else
• 1:28:21
  has the idea to go to the other cabin that's empty?
• 1:28:25
  I'd be at the empty cabin a little bit Come on man,
• 1:28:28
  I just wouldn't shower. Well, I guess there's a way about it,
• 1:28:33
  too. If you went swimming in the pond, you're clean enough. There you go.
• 1:28:38
  Thank you. Thank you, Allie. Thank you. I'm going to have a swim in the shower.
• 1:28:42
  It's a lot of fun scum in that pond there.
• 1:28:46
  That's right. Scum, scum, right up in that tank. Oh, boy. Yucky, yucky. So.
• 1:28:54
  Meg the asshole Goes to
• 1:28:57
  the empty cabin To shower
• 1:29:00
  off The scum from her taint I
• 1:29:03
  guess apparently is what we're going with As the killer We're going with that
• 1:29:08
  The killer actors And I thought we were going to see some boob here We've seen
• 1:29:12
  no boob We've got no frontal nudity on Meg Little Lucy No boobies for her Does
• 1:29:21
  that make you upset, Bill?
• 1:29:24
  No, not necessarily. Meg, for all I know, is underage in this movie,
• 1:29:27
  so maybe we can go ahead and not see it. That does not make you upset.
• 1:29:32
  It does not, but it's worth noting that horror movies typically...
• 1:29:37
  There's titty everywhere, typically.
• 1:29:39
  But regardless, we did not see any poop.
• 1:29:43
  Don't lose. If Taylor enters, we get a shower stab through the wall scene.
• 1:29:48
  Fredictable, in my humble opinion. She pushes her body up against the wall and
• 1:29:52
  she gets a knife through it.
• 1:29:55
  Later on, you see the wound and it looks rough. I don't know who showers like Meg does either.
• 1:30:01
  She doesn't know so. She's just like doing this routine where she's kind of
• 1:30:05
  off. It's through the curtain, right? It's not through the curtain, it's through the wall.
• 1:30:09
  It's like behind her, the shower wall. A lot of blood.
• 1:30:14
  And we look at this knife, and it is Mozart's knife that was taken away earlier.
• 1:30:19
  And the hand still looks similar to the first kill. It looks pretty masculine to me.
• 1:30:25
  So as we're trying to figure out who this damn killer is, the clues are starting to build up.
• 1:30:30
  We've got a big knife that presumably, I'm thinking it is Mozart's knife before
• 1:30:35
  when he got the shaving cream to the face.
• 1:30:38
  And a masculine boy-type hand.
• 1:30:42
  So There you have it Meg, moment of silence Can we do a moment of silence for her?
• 1:30:48
  Let's give her a moment 3, 2, 1 Moment of silence for Meg We have Eddie And
• 1:30:56
  his camping fiasco Seems like it's just miserable,
• 1:31:00
  He's got a bunch of kids I'm counting 4 No, there's 5 I'm counting 5 kids,
• 1:31:08
  He's pissed. There's a hatchet. Clearly the red herring.
• 1:31:12
  We're showing us the hatchet for later on. He's pissed. He's yelling at these little kids.
• 1:31:16
  Regardless, they all set up their little camping gear. No one's having fun.
• 1:31:22
  Ricky pleads with Angela again. He's getting nowhere.
• 1:31:26
  She kind of stares blankly and then agrees to meet him at the waterfront later. After the social.
• 1:31:35
  So I guess I shouldn't say he's getting nowhere. He's hidden somewhere.
• 1:31:38
  She's basically agreeing to meet him later on. But, man, she looks...
• 1:31:43
  She's looking rough, man. She's clearly had some sort of mental break.
• 1:31:47
  That balloon hit her. Maybe she's concussed.
• 1:31:50
  We've found an issue where we're going to meet later. And Judy has to make her
• 1:31:54
  snide remark as they pass.
• 1:31:57
  Annie's got the cameras out in the woods. They're already sleeping.
• 1:32:00
  I don't know what the hell's going on. Why did they immediately go there and just went to bed?
• 1:32:04
  They made no fire. They're just laying down in some sleeping sacks or some sleeping
• 1:32:09
  bags. They attempted a fire. It's just...
• 1:32:12
  I don't know, Ali. It looks like shit. Eddie looks like an asshole,
• 1:32:15
  and he treats these little kids like assholes, so he's an asshole to boot.
• 1:32:19
  One of the kids is cold.
• 1:32:21
  Then the other kid is cold. The fire must have not been so great since everybody's
• 1:32:26
  freezing their ass off out here.
• 1:32:28
  And they've decided that they got to go back, and so Eddie's going to drive
• 1:32:32
  these kids back. and leave the other three kids completely unsupervised.
• 1:32:38
  What in the world? There's five total kids, two go back, having three, right?
• 1:32:45
  No, but later on, I think they show...
• 1:32:48
  Four sleeping bags. This is where the part confuses me of having one,
• 1:32:51
  two, three, oh, it's his sleeping bag that's what I mean. I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:32:56
  I know. All I know is, Annie's got to drive the kids back. We have a perspective
• 1:32:59
  of the murder, potentially with the hatchets.
• 1:33:02
  And, alright, so these kids are about to get axed. They're about to get it.
• 1:33:08
  Yeah, it's showing four kids. They're about to get murked. Yeah, but here's the problem.
• 1:33:12
  Who the fuck leaves kids unsupervised down the middle of nowhere without telling
• 1:33:16
  them I'm going to drive feels bad.
• 1:33:18
  I don't know, Allie. You have to take all the kids with you.
• 1:33:22
  Never leave a kid behind. This is crazy.
• 1:33:25
  Allie, do you leave kids behind? No, never.
• 1:33:30
  You don't leave kids in the woods? Why not? I don't leave my kids for a second.
• 1:33:35
  I don't have any kids. Why are you asking me?
• 1:33:38
  Yeah, well, just as an adult, Tom, this is bad cool. This is poor form.
• 1:33:44
  Now he's walking around looking for his little date. this hot Meg that's got
• 1:33:49
  stabbed in the shower. I can't find her.
• 1:33:51
  We got gross Judy making out with a dude with the feathered hair.
• 1:33:55
  Why do you got a kiss so wet? That's what she says. That's her opening line. Wow.
• 1:33:59
  A lot of saliva. Too much saliva.
• 1:34:02
  Mel comes by to look for Meg and he discovers we got a little hiding.
• 1:34:07
  Feather hair needs to get under the bed.
• 1:34:09
  Judy acts natural. Says she's got no idea where Meg is.
• 1:34:12
  Potentially, last time I saw her, she was out in that vacant cabin taking a shower.
• 1:34:18
  So there goes Mel and he says something about you shouldn't,
• 1:34:22
  again, the old man routine with this guy, go read it in the dark,
• 1:34:26
  it'll hurt your eyes. What about how kind of line is this?
• 1:34:29
  They feed him all the old man life. Yeah.
• 1:34:32
  I have a feeling that Mel didn't even have that line.
• 1:34:35
  The actor that played Mel didn't have that line. He's just out there giving
• 1:34:39
  people words of wisdom about deponia and reading the dark.
• 1:34:43
  So Mel goes to search for Meg. The wet kisser bugs out because Mel came in. So he's all nervous.
• 1:34:52
  Somebody's leaving unsatisfied. He's got to go. He puts his shoes on, bounces out.
• 1:34:57
  Judy's apoplectic. She was looking to get some tonight. So she's pissed,
• 1:35:01
  giving the nastiest, dirtiest look you've ever seen in the world.
• 1:35:04
  Yeah, that's the worst stare of the movie. Worst than Angela.
• 1:35:07
  Worst than Angela. just against a, you know, a blue screen of death computer stare.
• 1:35:13
  She's given stares like, you know, staring at holes. God, those stares. God. You're a wreck.
• 1:35:23
  All I even see is the white of the eyes. You're right. It's a lot of staring.
• 1:35:29
  So we got Meg, who's discovered by Mel. Mel and Meg, the romance that never was.
• 1:35:34
  She's been stabbed right down the back, dissection style.
• 1:35:38
  It's kind of rough looking. It's gross.
• 1:35:43
  You know, Mel and Meg. She falls out, too.
• 1:35:47
  She's not having a dead on the floor. What a dead war. It kind of makes me laugh a little.
• 1:35:52
  The physics of that, how does that work? So she died standing up.
• 1:35:55
  She only falls out of the shower as Mel is walking. Moves the fabric.
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  I don't know if the physics is working there, but we'll go with it.
• 1:36:07
  It was by the white of her eyes.
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  Forgive me, Meg. Forgive me. Forgive me, Meg.
• 1:36:13
  Mel is absolutely nuts now. He named Ricky as the person that he wants to get.
• 1:36:20
  He's going to get the killer.
• 1:36:21
  He's going to make sure that he avenges her death.
• 1:36:24
  In the meantime, Judy has a weird, long-haired individual step into her doorway.
• 1:36:33
  We get a freeze frame of this thing. It looks to me like a male with long hair.
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  And I think this is specifically to throw your off.
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  I don't know if it's Ricky, the actor that plays Ricky. I don't know if it's
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  somebody at third party That a face we don't recognize But Judy's sitting there
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  doing some hair curling And this person Clods along into the cabin And,
• 1:36:59
  And who is this person? We really don't know.
• 1:37:02
  I guess it's some trickery to get the filmmaker to either confuse us or get
• 1:37:09
  us off track. What's everybody's thoughts on this?
• 1:37:13
  So she gets kind of knocked out. She gets punched right across the face.
• 1:37:18
  Is it a girl move to punch another girl across the face?
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  Or is it more of a guy move? the hand
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  is looking a little more feminine reaching for her
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  curling iron pillow goes over the face so she's got enough strength to hold
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  her down whoever this person is and then this part is really confusing to me
• 1:37:41
  with the hair curler they open it up and all you see is that in the shadow is she getting it in,
• 1:37:49
  her butt or in her vagina or both I don't know what's happening here.
• 1:37:55
  I wish I could hear, like, see what you are seeing right now. It's awful.
• 1:38:04
  And it's one of these things where I guess you're supposed to just leave it
• 1:38:08
  up to your own imagination. It is brutal to not see it. It almost makes it even worse.
• 1:38:13
  If she got it in the butt, if she got it in the genitals, whatever,
• 1:38:17
  I don't know. It is in the butt. It is up.
• 1:38:20
  Maybe the burn effect. God, I don't know. I don't know either.
• 1:38:25
  I know that Eddie comes back to the camping area after he dropped off the two
• 1:38:30
  wussies that couldn't have it in the cold.
• 1:38:32
  And all these kids are hatching. And I'm thinking I'm looking at four.
• 1:38:36
  Eddie pukes. He's had enough of it. He's got a row for hell.
• 1:38:40
  He runs back, leaving the, you know, because he's really responsible for leaving
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  these poor souls out here on their own.
• 1:38:47
  He runs back. Yeah, you got to feel guilty for that one. the moment of silence
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  for all four kids or three kids or whatever. We gotta do it.
• 1:38:55
  Three, six, seven, four, silence, silence.
• 1:38:59
  Ricky, the pace quickens now of the film. This thing starts to pick up pace quite a bit.
• 1:39:05
  Ricky's gonna go get some camis since he didn't go to get food, I guess.
• 1:39:10
  Mel ambushes him and beats the absolute shit out of Ricky who he claims is the
• 1:39:17
  killer. I got him, Meg. I got him.
• 1:39:19
  And I mean, guerrilla style, both fists coming down like fists of fury.
• 1:39:24
  Complete animal kill. It was
• 1:39:27
  a real deal Holyfield beatdown of an old man taking out all of his fury.
• 1:39:34
  Headlocked down on the ground, beats the piss out of Ricky.
• 1:39:38
  Ricky looks dead to me. And Ricky claiming he has no idea what he's talking about.
• 1:39:43
  Right. And claiming ignorance the entire time, even after getting slapped and
• 1:39:47
  punched and beaten the hell out of. Thank you.
• 1:39:51
  Yeah, Ricky, we don't know. We don't know if Ricky's dead or alive,
• 1:39:54
  but he sure looks dead after the beatdown.
• 1:39:56
  Ronnie's literally single-handedly running around the entire camp trying to save the day.
• 1:40:00
  He's telling people to call the cops. We're looking for kids.
• 1:40:03
  While Mal is beating the hell out of one of his campers, Ronnie's single-handedly
• 1:40:07
  saving the absolute day.
• 1:40:09
  After the beatdown, I gotta make this like I promised.
• 1:40:13
  He stumbles out into an archery range, says some sort of line.
• 1:40:19
  I don't even know what it was, but he promptly gets an arrow right in the throat.
• 1:40:24
  What a good archer. Whoever the killer is, gets immediately... He says, it can't be you.
• 1:40:29
  It can't be. It can't be. And then he gets it right in the throat.
• 1:40:33
  Hell of a makeup deal, too, there. Good effect.
• 1:40:38
  Does Mel get a moment of silence?
• 1:40:41
  Eh, we should give it some. Alright. Let's give it some.
• 1:40:44
  Do we think some moment of silence is happening? Alright, Mel's dead.
• 1:40:48
  Moment of silence for the clown. I'm Mr. High Socks.
• 1:40:52
  The cop has a gigantic flashlight. The same policeman that I pointed out his
• 1:40:56
  mustache before, now has the fakest painted-on mustache I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:41:03
  It's comical. This mustache, I have to bring attention to every time I see it
• 1:41:09
  because it looks absolutely ridiculous.
• 1:41:11
  It's not even the same hair color anymore. No, much darker. It's not particularly
• 1:41:15
  different. Somebody just painted it with Sharpie.
• 1:41:17
  Paul's waiting down by the lakeside as directed by Angela. She shows up looking disheveled.
• 1:41:25
  Her hair is all polished up. She tells him to strip. We're going in.
• 1:41:31
  She's finally going to go skinny dipping with Paul. Let's go swimming.
• 1:41:35
  Let's strip down butt naked and get into the water.
• 1:41:39
  So, Paul's up for his game. Let's roll.
• 1:41:43
  And, man... He's,
• 1:41:45
  She looks rough, actually. Yeah, the hair. I don't know why her hair is so much.
• 1:41:50
  I don't know if you can tell.
• 1:41:52
  The cops are searching for missing kids.
• 1:41:55
  The mustache cop discovers Ricky, or what's left of Ricky.
• 1:42:01
  He's all beat up and swollen eyes.
• 1:42:03
  He really looks messed up. In the original script, a little food for thought,
• 1:42:08
  he died. Can they see him? Josh, Josh.
• 1:42:11
  Are you? What's up, Tom? Hi. Hello. Hello. What are we waiting for?
• 1:42:18
  The cop is finding Ricky and finding that he's alive.
• 1:42:22
  Yeah. In the original script, she died.
• 1:42:26
  And they changed the original script to kind of force the issue a little bit
• 1:42:30
  on making people not know for sure who the killer was.
• 1:42:35
  So, yeah. Ricky, they say he's alive. Maggie's discovered. All the counselors are freaking out.
• 1:42:43
  Mr. Cop mustache He's got a pretty cool looking face Facial expression Zoom
• 1:42:48
  in on that mustache Absolutely shocking A terrible So,
• 1:42:56
  We're about to reach our shocking conclusion Tom are you there.
• 1:43:00
  Hot later. Okay, cool. Our shocking conclusion.
• 1:43:04
  We've got Ronnie and Susie coming up on the waterfront beach area.
• 1:43:11
  Angel is sitting there humming a lullaby of some sort, holding Paul's head.
• 1:43:18
  We've got a creepy-ass flashback that involves the aunt talking to a poor head-wrapped
• 1:43:25
  boy that she identifies as Peter.
• 1:43:29
  And after identifies her as Angela after basically saying that we don't need
• 1:43:35
  another boy in the house, we need another girl.
• 1:43:39
  So now we've identified that Peter is the person who survived the boating accident. Angela has died.
• 1:43:47
  What does this mean for us now? What this means for us now is Angela,
• 1:43:52
  who we know to be Angela at least,
• 1:43:55
  stands up, revealing that Paul's decapitated head falls off of her lap,
• 1:44:02
  stands up revealing that she is the killer.
• 1:44:04
  She is Paul. I'm sorry. She is the boy.
• 1:44:08
  The Peter, yeah. She's the Peter dog head.
• 1:44:12
  She's the killer. And she makes the absolute most sick sound I've ever heard
• 1:44:18
  with the facial expression of boot.
• 1:44:21
  This wide-eyed, wide-mouthed growl and snarl.
• 1:44:26
  The camp counselors are completely shocked. Ronnie's line is, it can't be. She's a boy.
• 1:44:32
  Yeah, she's a boy. We're seeing full frontal bush. The penis to match holding the same knife.
• 1:44:39
  Mozart's knife. And this face Burned into my memory Will never Leave As long
• 1:44:48
  as I live, will never leave There's a lot that goes into this too So,
• 1:44:52
  Ronnie is shocked The graphic nudity That hiss, the growl Ah.
• 1:45:00
  Let me play You're not going to hear this sound But let me play this thing real
• 1:45:04
  quick Angela's reveal Let me just play it.
• 1:45:10
  Got this oh lord it's a boy,
• 1:45:15
  yeah she is a boy she is a boy,
• 1:45:19
  and it is unsettling to my core now there is a body double clearly there's a
• 1:45:26
  body double for the 13 year old actress who played Angela,
• 1:45:31
  obviously he's not a boy in real life the actress that body double is uncredited
• 1:45:36
  in any credits known to us.
• 1:45:39
  It's a mystery of who that body double is. A lot of people think it might have
• 1:45:42
  been a local, maybe a film hand on set.
• 1:45:47
  Felicia Rose is the actress that plays Angela.
• 1:45:51
  She was unable to be filmed for the scene due to her age.
• 1:45:56
  So what they did was they made a prosthetic face and they got and they put that
• 1:46:00
  prosthetic face over the body double.
• 1:46:03
  So what we're looking at is It's a face that does not quite seem all there.
• 1:46:09
  It's a hell of a prosthetic, but it gives the impression that simultaneously
• 1:46:14
  realistic and something that is unsettling to the point where our brains can't
• 1:46:18
  really fully grasp why it looks that unsettling, because it's frozen in time.
• 1:46:23
  It's a mask. It's not a person's face doing that.
• 1:46:29
  The body double remains unknown to this day.
• 1:46:32
  There's no information on that at all. And that's
• 1:46:35
  even more kind of interesting The lore of Sleepaway
• 1:46:38
  Camp Is one that kind of lends
• 1:46:41
  itself To what the hell was happening With this filming Where they have no information
• 1:46:45
  at all All this information comes flooding into us all at the same time The
• 1:46:50
  shocking ending The moment where we find out That the bully was actually turned
• 1:46:54
  into a girl By this disgusting person known as the Ant Aunt Martha Aunt Martha,
• 1:46:59
  who's a real piece of shit One of the most shocking That I can remember the
• 1:47:04
  endings that made me just sit there and just look at each other like, good lord. The.
• 1:47:10
  Before I get thoughts from everybody, because I'm going to get some thoughts,
• 1:47:13
  the end music and the sound effects
• 1:47:16
  of that hiss are something that is definitely an incredible moment.
• 1:47:20
  And the title sequence for the ending to the movie, as the credit rolls.
• 1:47:25
  It's a chorus that says, it's called Angela's Song, and the chorus says,
• 1:47:31
  you're just what I've been looking for.
• 1:47:33
  I don't think so, dude. That's not what I was looking for. That is a strange
• 1:47:36
  ending soundtrack number.
• 1:47:39
  The ending. Thoughts around the horn. Tom, can you give us your thoughts?
• 1:47:45
  Tom is not there. Afterlife Alley, give us our thoughts on the ending.
• 1:47:50
  The ending is definitely a shock.
• 1:47:52
  Real weird surprise ending. You never suspect her to be actually Peter.
• 1:48:00
  And the movie in general, using a lot younger kids, like we talked about Friday the 13th,
• 1:48:08
  This has a lot younger kids than it's normally the older camp counselors.
• 1:48:13
  And this movie kind of breaks the rules with the males being the sex objects.
• 1:48:18
  Like we talked about, there were no boobs.
• 1:48:20
  There were no female naked scenes.
• 1:48:23
  It ends the movie with a penis.
• 1:48:26
  And the girls are the real monsters in this.
• 1:48:29
  But Martha, in my opinion, being the number one villain. Oh, she's the main novel.
• 1:48:36
  Oh, yeah. She created a monster, right? Yeah.
• 1:48:39
  You can't grow up being treated the opposite sex, living this whole lie,
• 1:48:45
  the confusion about the A father and what that means for you,
• 1:48:50
  and then being treated as a girl.
• 1:48:52
  It's a great movie, and I think it was way ahead of its time.
• 1:48:55
  Yeah, I think it's ahead of its time, too.
• 1:48:58
  And I think it lives on in horror movie circles.
• 1:49:03
  It's got a lore of it. There's a lot of distractions.
• 1:49:06
  Oh, okay. Good to hear from you, man. I think it moves.
• 1:49:11
  It kind of lives on in horror movie lore that, you know, it was made in this
• 1:49:17
  certain way, this B-roll sort of way.
• 1:49:21
  And it's got that ending that really makes you it's a head scratcher man it's
• 1:49:28
  a gore fest, it's a slasher it's a camp killer movie for me it gets three and a half pumpkins,
• 1:49:35
  on my first watch and if you rewatch it it probably,
• 1:49:39
  gets a little less just based on the fact that the shocker ending is a little
• 1:49:45
  less but I'll tell you what on my second watch it's a little less than that
• 1:49:48
  much man it still gets me in the pit of my gut
• 1:49:51
  I feel like you pick up on more things too So it doesn't get less for me Alright,
• 1:49:55
  how many pumpkins does it get for you?
• 1:49:57
  I'll give it a three and a half Three and a half sounds good Tom,
• 1:50:02
  what's your pumpkin rating?
• 1:50:05
  Zero. Wow! Whoa! You're way on the opposite end, eh?
• 1:50:11
  Absolutely. Why a zero? I don't know. Like, just like that.
• 1:50:17
  I didn't really feel the effect, like, also, like, the whole like, reveal at the end.
• 1:50:28
  Like, that god, the face, terrible.
• 1:50:32
  Terrible, but... Terrible in a way that you hated it, or terrible in a way that it scared you?
• 1:50:39
  Just terrible. Like, it just was awful. Terrible that you hated it.
• 1:50:45
  Hated it. Wow. I didn't see that coming. Wow.
• 1:50:49
  We got to definitely, and this is why we do our own movie movies, right?
• 1:50:53
  For a difference of opinions, we got a diverse group of people here,
• 1:50:57
  and we all kind of see things a little bit differently. So that's interesting, man.
• 1:51:03
  0.0 pumpkins Tom's review shocks me more than the ending Now I'm shocked Now
• 1:51:08
  I'm looking around What's staring at me with a penis hanging out Rotten pumpkins,
• 1:51:14
  Rotten pumpkin oak Rotten pumpkin,
• 1:51:18
  That's fair man Well we've gone long We've gone almost two hours so I'm going
• 1:51:24
  to wrap it up Anybody have any final thoughts they want to get off the trip
• 1:51:28
  Before I wrap this thing up with a bow on it Nope, could've gone.
• 1:51:35
  Because that was the assignment. And the next week's assignment,
• 1:51:39
  if you want to know, if you do, if you want to join us for next week,
• 1:51:44
  our next week's assignment is going to be Alfred Hitchcock's 1960 classic,
• 1:51:50
  Psycho.
• 1:51:51
  It's going to be our, more of a mainstream, iconic type movie.
• 1:51:57
  Psycho has got everything that you want in a horror movie.
• 1:52:01
  And I hope you folks at home listening and continue to watch those horror movies from week to week.
• 1:52:11
  That's your homework assignment. In the meantime, my fellow neighbors,
• 1:52:16
  you look forward to Halloween just like me for your hoax, afterlife,
• 1:52:21
  Alan, and Springstone Tom.
• 1:52:23
  Good luck. I'm Bad Luck Bill. See you on the flip side.
• 1:52:29
  Can't wait to bear this. Get out of this.