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Ep. 369 - M3GAN (2022) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 1: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.
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  Speaker 2: The following podcast will contain spoilers, tangents, hot takes, and
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  Speaker 2: excessive foul language.
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  Speaker 3: Viewer discretion is advised. Enjoy the show. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 3: Framer's Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor. I love how
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  Speaker 3: I have to this every time, even though I know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And joining me today for episode three
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  Speaker 3: sixty nine is my beautiful wife, Gabrielle Proctor. Who who what?
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  Speaker 3: Gababrielle Proctor. Today, on another installment of March Labnis, we're
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  Speaker 3: discussing our modern pick mith th Reagan from twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 3: otherwise known as Meghan, a movie that shows us just
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  Speaker 3: how right Terminator two was about the future. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: where this lands and the Nightmare Index? All right, what
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  Speaker 3: have we watched recently? Oh? For first and foremost from
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  Speaker 3: the corrections department, Allison Williams was not the actress as
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  Speaker 3: you stayed on our last episode. Who always plays a lesbian?
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  Speaker 3: It's Mackenzie Davis, who's always Yeah, So that's my bad apologist,
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  Speaker 3: Alison Williams. Sorry, I know you're listening. So one I
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  Speaker 3: just wanted to say.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, always listening.
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  Speaker 3: Always listening. Uh oh yeah, she was in The Turning,
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  Speaker 3: that really terrible movie. Anyways, most of what we watch
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  Speaker 3: is going to be very similar, as per usual, since
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  Speaker 3: we watched a lot of the same shit. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you've got some stuff that You've been going nuts
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  Speaker 3: this year with watching movies, so sure have you are
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  Speaker 3: way ahead of me. I'm not mad at all about that.
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  Speaker 3: What do you have that I didn't watch?
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  Speaker 2: I'm at one fifty four.
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  Speaker 3: God geez, yeah right.
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  Speaker 2: I rewatched Jeremiah Johnson. If you've ever seen it, you
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  Speaker 2: know it's great. If you haven't seen it, watch it
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  Speaker 2: because it's great. Robert Redford was.
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  Speaker 3: I only had one hundred and six.
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  Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I'm just crushing it right now. I finally
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  Speaker 2: saw Primal Fear. Can't talk about it because they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to spoil anything for.
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  Speaker 3: You, and you eventually Rhymal Peer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I checked out a small role Julia Susan Sarandon film
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  Speaker 2: Compromising Positions, a murder mystery comedy, very fun to watch.
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  Speaker 2: And finally I saw Nine to five, which every time
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  Speaker 2: I say told someone I watched nine to five, they're like,
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  Speaker 2: you haven't seen that I know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm working that too.
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  Speaker 1: Five.
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  Speaker 2: The movie starts on that song, and I was in
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  Speaker 2: the kitchen when I hit play.
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  Speaker 3: I thought she made the song after the movie.
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  Speaker 2: No, she made it for the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: So it started. It was like twenty seconds in when
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  Speaker 2: I sat down and I was like, oh, apps a
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  Speaker 2: fucking lutely not. I'm not missing the needle drop on
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  Speaker 2: that shit. Rewind it back.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing this again, We're doing it live.
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  Speaker 2: You can't miss the opening and the clicking noise which
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  Speaker 2: Dolly Parton did with her fingernails. That act nice and Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've just been checking out a lot of smaller films
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  Speaker 2: that I just haven't gotten around to watching, or some
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  Speaker 2: older ones that I haven't watched in a long time,
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  Speaker 2: like The Great Escape, which is still really really good.
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  Speaker 2: Though you have to be prepared for three hours of movie.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh god, it's worth it. Like it's not a slow
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  Speaker 2: film by any means. They keep the pace rolling. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it it's so good.
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  Speaker 3: Small tangent because you were talking about Dolly Parton doing
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  Speaker 3: that noise with her fingernails. Fun fact about sweet Emotion
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  Speaker 3: from Aerosmith, that shaker that you hear their's broke live
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  Speaker 3: and you can actually hear it breaking live when you
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  Speaker 3: when you listen to it. There's there's a thing that
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  Speaker 3: they have in there that makes the noise and it
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  Speaker 3: breaks the thing that like, I can't even imitate the sound,
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  Speaker 3: but anyways you can hear kind of yeah, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it breaks. And then he used a salt packet to
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  Speaker 3: do the rest. Not even kidding. You can google it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where I saw that, anyways, Small tangent.
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  Speaker 3: So some things I've watched. You also joined me for
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  Speaker 3: some of these. But we watched nine of the Zoopocalypse,
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  Speaker 3: which was from last year, was an animated film that
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of fun, very colorful, very fun, very stylized.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I meant. I said fun twice. And my
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  Speaker 3: review for that one is this, this is what happens
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  Speaker 3: when all the horror nerds get together and make an
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  Speaker 3: animated film. Because so many references to so many movies. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you know Night of the Living Dead would be I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I guess just zombie movies in general, but there was
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  Speaker 3: definitely like a thing reference in there.
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  Speaker 2: Wrote the short story it's based on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was a lot of fun. That was
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  Speaker 3: streaming somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: It's on toob and it is PG. It is very
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  Speaker 2: very family, it's safe, it's it's kids level scary. Like
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  Speaker 2: our daughter, it was half paying attention to it, but
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  Speaker 2: it was easily fine for her to watch. It's very silly,
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  Speaker 2: very strange. David Harbor voice is one of the leads.
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  Speaker 3: It's good time. And then I had a director reach
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  Speaker 3: out to me on Instagram to he wanted me to
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  Speaker 3: watch his movie he made. It's called Beyond Mamushie. And
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  Speaker 3: if you're like me wondering what the fuck of mamushi is,
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  Speaker 3: it is one of the characters in the movie. It's
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  Speaker 3: not a feature length film. It's fifty minutes, so an
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  Speaker 3: extended short movie. I guess I appreciate the ambition behind it.
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  Speaker 3: It clearly he had a lot of the core idea
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  Speaker 3: is very interesting. It just felt like a feature length
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  Speaker 3: film crammed into fifty minutes. Definitely needed some more exploration
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  Speaker 3: in a few areas. Solid acting, though honestly from a
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  Speaker 3: filmmaker I've never heard of. With the cast that I'm
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  Speaker 3: not familiar with, I was impressed with what they were
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  Speaker 3: able to accomplish. Three stars. I gave a night of
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  Speaker 3: those Whopocalypse three and a half, Scanners three, I watched
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  Speaker 3: the Takeover sequels. We didn't need at all, but it is.
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  Speaker 3: This is a four star purely for enjoyment, because it
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  Speaker 3: is one of those movies where everyone is definitely serious,
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  Speaker 3: but their performances are so hammy. We do get ahead explosion,
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  Speaker 3: which is great. They at least keep that theme alive,
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  Speaker 3: good practical effects, and it is just the most ridiculous plot.
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  Speaker 3: So much happens in the first five minutes. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna like this, So that's a four star
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  Speaker 3: just for enjoyment. Watched Oh Undertone, the brand new A
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  Speaker 3: twenty four joint. I watched it three times in theaters
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  Speaker 3: because I'm a looney tune. That is gonna be hard
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  Speaker 3: to top for me. Horror movie wise, this year, I
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  Speaker 3: can only think of one that is releasing that might
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  Speaker 3: come close, and that is Clive Barker's Nope, Curry Barker
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  Speaker 3: his movie Obsession. Curry Barker is pretty well known for
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  Speaker 3: his comedy on TikTok and YouTube, but he also does
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  Speaker 3: horror short films like The Chair, and there's a couple
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  Speaker 3: other ones he's done. He also did Milk and Cereal,
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  Speaker 3: which was his first I don't think just like beyond Mamushi.
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  Speaker 3: I think Milk and Cereal was like sixty minutes, fifty
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  Speaker 3: nine minutes. That's a really good and it's free on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: It's on his channel. But he's coming out with Obsession
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  Speaker 3: in May, and I think that one is going to
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  Speaker 3: be the only one that comes close to undertone for me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. This movie just hit. I saw it
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  Speaker 3: a sneak peek on the Tuesday before it released. I
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  Speaker 3: watched it in Dolby. I was dead center in the
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  Speaker 3: theater and it rocked my fucking world. Then I went
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  Speaker 3: to see it with Spencer, and then I brought you
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  Speaker 3: to see it. I loved it. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: seem to be the only one who enjoyed it as
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  Speaker 3: much as I did in my circles, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I really liked it. I thought it was really good.
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of layers in things it was
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  Speaker 2: trying to address, or issues or world topics it was
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  Speaker 2: trying to bring up, yeah, or societal topics I guess
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  Speaker 2: you say, And that's why I was talking to you
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  Speaker 2: about it. The entire ride back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I really enjoyed what they were doing with the
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  Speaker 2: film and what it was trying to speak to. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And as of right now, Monday the seventeenth, whatever
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  Speaker 3: day is today, it has made almost ten million dollars
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  Speaker 3: on a five hundred thousand dollars budget, which is a
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  Speaker 3: huge win for independent hoorle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm glad people are going out to support this
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  Speaker 3: because in my TikTok review I did of this, I mentioned, like,
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  Speaker 3: we need to be supporting movies. Well I was, like,
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  Speaker 3: I said, we need to be supporting in independent companies
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  Speaker 3: that are putting out unique and interesting ideas, and especially
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  Speaker 3: because it's day twenty four. But I'm glad that it
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  Speaker 3: is doing well strictly based on budget and profit, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not nine million dollars in the grand scheme of things
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  Speaker 3: isn't a lot, but compared to the budget, that's a
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  Speaker 3: home fucking run.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people are talking about supporting independent
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  Speaker 2: stories too with Hoppers right now because their Disney's gotten
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  Speaker 2: so focused on their remakes and sequels. Hopper is extremely
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  Speaker 2: well rated. It is getting excellent reviews, and it's an
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  Speaker 2: original story, and people are saying, you know the importance
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  Speaker 2: of going into ap'porting those individual stories because if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: then know, then we just start getting recycled stuff over
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  Speaker 2: and over again, and then you never get anything new. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and people are less likely to take risks on smaller
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  Speaker 2: independent projects right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, And I forgot to mention, just mention this when
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  Speaker 3: we talked about Scream, because that's kind of a double
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  Speaker 3: edged sword with how much it made, because it's great
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  Speaker 3: for the horror genre making that much money, But what
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  Speaker 3: you're telling Hollywood is that you want more sequels. By
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  Speaker 3: going to Scream seven and it being the highest grossing movie,
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  Speaker 3: you're telling Hollywood people are going to come out. We
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  Speaker 3: should just make more of these because it's going to
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  Speaker 3: rake in so much money. So going to support the
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  Speaker 3: independent companies like A twenty four and undertone that also
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  Speaker 3: sends a message like hey, people do want to see this,
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  Speaker 3: and we need to be continuing to do this because
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  Speaker 3: if we're just going and supporting all these sequels, it's
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  Speaker 3: like people complain about how many sequels we're getting, and
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  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, because they fucking do numbers. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't want to take a risk. And I
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  Speaker 2: get it. You don't want to take a risk on
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  Speaker 2: a movie you don't know anything about. With how expensive
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  Speaker 2: going to the movies is now, it is like going
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  Speaker 2: out to eat at a steakhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Hey not amc man. I can go and get
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  Speaker 3: my popcorn and drink for eighteen bucks, which I know
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  Speaker 3: isn't it's not like cheap, but it's not not.
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  Speaker 2: Regal except that you're not paying for your ticket.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you're paying.
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  Speaker 2: For your monthly amount. But if someone's paying for tickets
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: for two drinks for two, they don't kick bucks. They
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  Speaker 2: don't get their they don't get a discount. We get
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  Speaker 2: a discount for being passholders.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pass holders essentially.
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  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, you're not wrong, And it's crazy. I mean
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  Speaker 2: we needed to go to Regal for a movie just
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  Speaker 2: because of time to go see the Bride.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we ended up I spent fifty just to food.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the only reason we got the tickets for
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  Speaker 2: eighteen bucks was because my elderly ass is on AARP
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  Speaker 2: and I could get a discount on the tickets. Fun fact,
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  Speaker 2: you can join that at.
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  Speaker 3: At any point. It's not you get.
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  Speaker 2: Discounts on all sorts of shits like highly.
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  Speaker 3: Recommend fifteen bucks a year. That's twenty now.
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  Speaker 2: But twenty dollars a year, and I saved that amount
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  Speaker 2: of money on those tickets.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, berth it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but people don't want to spend that kind of
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  Speaker 2: money and then have a shitty time at the movies.
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  Speaker 2: A franchise you like is safe.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the way they marketed Undertone was very
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  Speaker 3: The trailer was good because it did it didn't give
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  Speaker 3: you enough to spoil anything, for sure, especially when you
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  Speaker 3: get like the reveal of what's happening. You couldn't have
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  Speaker 3: gleaned that from the trailer. But it was interesting enough
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  Speaker 3: for me to be like, this looks good, but I'm also.
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  Speaker 2: Have to keep you to get you interested. But it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't give you shit.
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  Speaker 3: Really Yeah. I mean I'm also biased because I'm a podcaster,
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  Speaker 3: So basing a movie around a podcast that receives it's
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  Speaker 3: like ten mysterious audio files that they play live. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. That's a That's a cool premise to me,
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  Speaker 3: So that's fun. That's pretty much all I watched this week,
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  Speaker 3: unless we want to talk about Undertone two more times.
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  Speaker 3: Since I was so Undertone, I think that's the last
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  Speaker 3: year I saw twenty eight years later in the theater twice.
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  Speaker 3: I think I saw another movie twice, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: think I. I think this is the first time. At
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  Speaker 3: least I can remember that I went to the theater. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: Toy Story four, I think I saw three times. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: toy Sway four, But yeah, that's different.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Oh my God, the Two Towers three times.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Return of the King two times. Pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: Any when Lord of the rings the movies came out, anytime,
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  Speaker 2: someone was like, do you want to go see Lord
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  Speaker 2: of the Ringskin? Shit, Yeah, I want to go see
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  Speaker 2: Lord of the Ringskin. What do I not want to
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  Speaker 2: have a cinematic experience. Let's do that shit. And four
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  Speaker 2: hours later, considering, we were like, how what year did
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  Speaker 2: those come out?
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  Speaker 3: Uh? Fellowship was like.
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  Speaker 2: Two and two. Yeah, so I'm like middle schooler and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, the fuck it up, Let's go watch the Mills.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad took me to see that one. Two
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  Speaker 3: doesn't one? Sorry but still whatever, same team. My dad
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  Speaker 3: took me to see the first one in theaters and
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  Speaker 3: I really didn't know what it was, but I enjoyed it,
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  Speaker 3: and I think we saw I think we saw two
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  Speaker 3: and three in the theaters. I'm pretty sure he took
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  Speaker 3: me to all three of those. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: this is the first time I've seen a movie in
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  Speaker 3: theaters three times within a week. Because it was Tuesday, Friday,
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  Speaker 3: and Sunday. I was like, I love this movie so much.
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  Speaker 3: It is an in theater experience because of how good
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  Speaker 3: the sound is and how important the sound is. Movies
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  Speaker 3: are such a visual medium, but this, you know, undertone
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  Speaker 3: is like, now we're gonna make the scary parts of
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  Speaker 3: this all from audio. Now, there are some horrific images
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  Speaker 3: in the movie, for sure, but I'd say ninety percent
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  Speaker 3: of those scares are just I had like lingering fear
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  Speaker 3: after I left. I mean, I was also by myself.
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  Speaker 3: I'd also not been up for like forty hours, but
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  Speaker 3: I walked out of that theater with my mind just
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  Speaker 3: completely melted. Yeah, so that's just me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I just want to say an important news.
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  Speaker 3: What's important.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not forget that somebody's got a birthday this weekend. Yay, yay,
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  Speaker 2: Usin is gonna be thirty six. We're gonna go celebrate
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  Speaker 2: and watch Ready or Not two. I am excited for that,
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  Speaker 2: so excited for that.
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  Speaker 3: Rewatch the first one, and can we have.
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  Speaker 2: A moment to appreciate how many horror movies won Oscars
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's true, that's true. I said we were gonna
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  Speaker 3: talk about this when it came out because my specula
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  Speaker 3: some of my speculation was right, which was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they like they cleaned up, They did great.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Amy Madigan Michael B.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan's eight total wins. Michael B. Jordan for Sinners Actor
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  Speaker 3: leading role. Then we have actors sent a supporting role,
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  Speaker 3: Amy Madigan for Weapons. We have cinematography for Sinners, which
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  Speaker 3: is also very important because it is the first female
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  Speaker 3: person of color to win, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It was beautiful cinematography, It's.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful costume design Frankenstein. We have musical score original Score Sinners.
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  Speaker 3: Then we have production design Frankenstein. Visual effects goes to
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  Speaker 3: fucking Avatar or whatever. Original screenplay Ciners. So I mean
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  Speaker 3: the Oscars cleaned up this year. It was really good.
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  Speaker 3: As much as I understand Michael B Jordan winning, I
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  Speaker 3: do think Leo was robbed in a way because that movie,
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  Speaker 3: one battle after another, one best picture, totally deserving of that.
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  Speaker 3: It is truly one of the greatest movies that's been
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  Speaker 3: out in a while. Leo DiCaprio in that movie was
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  Speaker 3: unlike anything I've ever seen. And I've mentioned this before,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I think, but I've never been like a huge Leo guy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really feel like he actually started putting out
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  Speaker 3: quality movies, like with actual good acting until like you know,
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  Speaker 3: like Django or maybe the with he departed.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the part, yes he then departed.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just but like so, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know Michael be Jordan well deserving. He played two roles.
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  Speaker 3: I get it, he was very good, but I that
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: is like the only one I don't agree with is
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  Speaker 3: I do think it should have gone to Leo. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why the Academy hates him so much that
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  Speaker 3: he wins for fucking Revenant.
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  Speaker 2: See and I didn't see that one. But I feel
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  Speaker 2: like Michael B. Jordan absolutely earned that he did because, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't play two He didn't just play two people.
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  Speaker 2: He developed two completely separate characters. Like they even pointed
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: out that Stack has dimples, Smoke doesn't have dimples. He
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  Speaker 2: managed to make it so his face only showed off
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: his dimples. With one brother, he picked two different. He
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  Speaker 2: got with a dialect coach and developed two separate voices
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  Speaker 2: for those characters. And not to mention, he's interacting with
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: himself a lot, and then he has to interact with
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: everybody else while being completely separate personalities. Like that is
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you are cultivating two full people there. It's not like
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: When and spoilers for an older movie. It's not like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: The Prestige where Christian Bale is playing a character who
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: is two people being one guy, because that's still a feat.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But this is like two separate people who and the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: just the look on his face winning was just everything,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: like you know, he just didn't believe that was gonna
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: be happened, and he was geared up to be gracious
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and then just the leaving his body like his chest drops, like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: oh my god, it just happened.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And then he went to in and out to celebrate.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Did you see that?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just seems like he's really delightful in person.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: It's just always weird for me when Best Pick sure wins,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: one movie wins for Best Picture, but then doesn't win
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: for anything like no, I mean one for Best Supporting
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Actor Benizio del Toro or no, not even Benicio Sean
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Penn and he was great in that, but I think
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Benizio should have won Supporting. So it's always just weird
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: when Best Picture and bet like leading person. It's just strange.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: But anyways, so that's the OSCARS. Definitely like horror. Fucking sweeped.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Eight wins is incredible, excellent, and maybe we'll start taking
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: this more seriously. But we should get on to the
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: body count here, all right. So Megan from twenty twenty
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: two released on January sixth, twenty twenty three in the US,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: rated PG thirteen, but there is an unrated cut on
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: the Blu ray which adds a little bit more gore,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: violent content and tearror, some language, and a suggests a reference.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: No sex and nudity, moderate violence and gore, moderate profanity,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: no alcoholic rugs and smoking, and moderate frightening and intense
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: scenes coming in in an hour and forty two minutes.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Listed as a horror sci fi thriller directed by Gerard Johnstone,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: who also directed a KIWI movie called Housebound, and Megan
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: two point zero written by a Kella Cooper who also
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: wrote Hellfest, Malignant and Megan two point oh.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Writing Malignant feels really on brand.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Fucking really does. I mean also hell Fest, because that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Was I'm more thinking of the chaotic style of fighting
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and stuff related.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Also, I'm also thinking of Bloodfest. That's the more comedic one.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: James Wand was also a writer. He's written many of
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: things fun fact, though he did not write the first Insidious,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and he did not write the first Conjuring. He wrote
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Insidious two and Conjuring two.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: The first Conjuring that's the superior conjuring.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know, but he did right. Saw of course,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Dead Silence and Malignant composed by Anthony Willis, who also
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: composed Promising Young Woman, Saltburn and Withering Heights. So they
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: clearly like to work with that one director who did
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: all those, right, isn't that the same person? Lady, lady, ma'am?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Cinematicy are you doing? That?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Just made me forget her name entirely. I'm just gonna
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: blurt it out last. Emerald Fanel Sure Emerald Bam.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Cinematography by Peter McCaffery, who also did the cinematography for
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: three other things, A short film Forgive Us All in
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: six Episodes of the Ridge, edited by Jeff McAvoy, who
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: also edited Underworld Awakening, Night Swim, and Megan two point
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: zero starring Alison Williams not Mackenzie Davis as Gemma, who
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: was also in Get Out is Rose rog Armitage Violet
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: McGrath's Katie. She was most notably in the Haunting of
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Hillhouse as young Nell. We have Ronnie Ching as David.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: He was in Crazy Rich Asians as Eddie Shang. That's
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: really funny. His last name is Ching and then his
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: last It's like they just took out an eye. What's
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: your last name?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: But that's like Benedict Wong playing Wong and uh, doctor change.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: You're just Ben You're just You're Benedict Wong sans Benedict.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: The two Bennis the two Amy Donald is Meghan. She
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: was also in Shockingly Megan two point zero as Meghan
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: and then Jenna Davis as the Megan voice. She was
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: in Lisa Frankenstein as Lori. A's The Batey budget of
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: twelve million, grossing one hundred and eighty point one million,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: which is insane. Movie was filmed in Auckland, New Zealand,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and Poughkeepsie, New York. You can watch this on Peacock
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Movies that came out around the same time. This is
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a fun time we're living And uh, the website I
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: use for this is in some sort of a transitional
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: period and I don't like doing it via IMDb. It's
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: just a pain in the ass. So it was twenty
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: twenty two in January. Figure it out. Sorry, I had
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: to not do that one.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many movies I've seen.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Anyways, Uh, you've seen none. I am GV summary. When
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: robotics Engineered, Jimma becomes the guardian of her orphaned niece Katie.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: She thinks her new invention, a robotic AI, will be
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: a good companion. However, Megan begins to behave in unexpected
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: and shocking ways. This is the autopsy overall thoughts Gabby
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: on Megan.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Um, this movie's chaotic. Um.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: You said that about the last one. Is it chaotic
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: evil or chaotic neutral?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know, chaotic evil, chaotic Megan?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Ummm no.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I like I didn't want to really see this movie.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: The whole dance bit just made me not want to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: watch the movie because I was like, that is dumb.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Oh then I'm so sorry. I still think that part
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is so cringey. If you love it, I'm so happy
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: for you. I don't know why. It just I can't
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: stand that part and feel free to disagree. I know
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of people do. But I think that this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is in other hilarious edition of maybe let's stop trying
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to add robots to our day to day life. When
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: has that ever worked out? I can't think of a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: single edition of a robot in a movie that worked
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: out for everybody for no, No, I'm not talking about that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about people run world like AI. That shit
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: didn't work out by centennial man, that ship didn't work out.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I mean technically kind of, but.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Like that's a great movie.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It is wat it never works out well for somebody
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: because AI doesn't under like we've all agreed, apparently, AI
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand the human experience. No, it's it's very funny
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and very it's not a very subtle script. So it
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: is a it is a popcorn flick, one hundred percent.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: We'll get ready for this in depth overall thought here
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: because I think Megan is fantastic because it understands its moment.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: It's a killer doll movie built for a world of
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: smart devices, algorithmic parenting, and tech companies moving faster than
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: their ethics departments. It's funny, it's sharp, and it's just
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: self aware enough to turn its villain into an icon,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: because in the end, Megan isn't really a monster in
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: my opinion, She's a product design, marketed and released into
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the world before anyone stopped to ask what might happen next,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and honestly, that might be the most realistic part of
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the whole movie. So I think we should start by
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: talking about James Wand and Gerard Johnstone, mainly because I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: don't think Gerard Johnstone is a very well known name,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: but it hasn't done too much good, but we'll talk
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: about it. So Obviously, James wan we all know this man,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: but some people may not know. I just know this
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: because I'm a nerd. He is like fascinated with dolls,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: and it's he puts one into new every movie he can.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Examples would be Saw, obviously Annabelle. I know he didn't
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: direct that, but he was involved Billy from Dead Silence,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and even in his other films he has nods to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: dolls like Billy from Saw can be seen in the
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: on the Blackboard and Insidious annabel can be seen underwater
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: an aquaman dude loves a creepy doll. Yeah, so this
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: is just right. Like, I'm not surprised he was involved
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: in this movie in any way because this just felt
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: like the next step with how technology was going for
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: him to be involved in this. Yeah, so he makes
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: sense now, Gerard Johnstone, I feel as a much he's
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: definitely lesser known and only really did one movie before
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: this called Housebound. It is a hilarious, like I said,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Kiwi horror comedy that is super underrated. It's got but
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: it does have like a three point four. It's right
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: up your lane. I think you'd really like it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It's one of those movies I want to watch.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll have to watch. That's he's got a
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: great sense of humor because Housebound is hilarious, and I
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: can see what the comedy coming from, Like I can
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: see where the comedy comes from because an Ai Doll
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: really is comedy gold, especially with the sass and the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: stairs that they give her. So those two people combine,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I thought made a really interesting match for this movie.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: A lesser known a very famous person. But then the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: killer doll itself, I mean, at this point is a
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: horror staple. You know, they've been around for decades. The
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: first one that comes to mind for me is there's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: a Twilight Zone episode from the six he's called the
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Living Doll, and it's not necessarily a killer doll, it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: more of like a possessed doll. Yeah. Then there's Magic
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: from nineteen seventy eight. It's stars Anthony Hopkins, who is
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: a ventriloquist, and it's like the ventriloquist is at the
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: whims of his doll. It's some sort of kind of
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: possessiony thing. Of course, Dolls from nineteen eighty seven. I'd
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: say this is probably the first time dolls are actually
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: killing things on screen. And that movie is Great Child's
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Play nineteen ninety eight and puppet Master from nineteen eighty nine.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: So we're talking thirty forty something years of killer doll movies.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And what Megan does is it takes this trope or subgenre,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, and brings it into
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the modern era where technology is at today. Because AI
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: is horrifying, this is where we're.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: At, and it's definitely poking fun at the idea that, yeah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: parents will readily Now in this case, it's a guardian,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: but a very inept guardian. But like adults will give
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: kids this advanced technology, assume that it's safe enough, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: go for it. And in this case, Jemma built that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: shit and knew exactly what was in there, and she
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: still gave the buggy thing to her emotionally distraught niece
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and was like, it's fine. And even when she's called out,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: she shuts the other people down who call her out
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and are like, hey, so how are you parenting If
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: you're it's doing everything for you and you and I
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: talked about this because we had recently watched Ron Gone
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Wrong for the first time wrong, which is a great movie.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: But I remember when I told you because you weren't
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: sitting in the room the first time we watched it.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, there are these little robots that these kids are.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It's basically like a giant phone tic tac robot looking
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: thing with shaped like a tic tac.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I was going for Tic Tac toe and I was like, wow,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I think I watched the wrong movie.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: No, sorry, Yes, And it's like it does what the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: kids want. It's supposed to be their friend. It's constantly
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: hooked up to everything. It learns about them through their
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: social media. It connects to other people, like as a parent,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, that sounds horrifying. What are
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you talking about? And which fortunately was the point of
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the movie because i'd never seen it. I didn't know
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: what it was about. I just put it on because
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: there was a robot on it and our daughter likes
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: to watch me.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And it's Zach Galifianakis, right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I think, so yeah, sounds right, and and I heard
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it had really good reviews, so yeah. But it was
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: another movie where it's like, Hey, isn't it weird how
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: much people hand off technology to kids without any consideration
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: for their development, Because in that film, it's these kids
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't know how to interact socially, they don't know kindness,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: they don't know real bonds. They have these robots, then
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that's enough of a friend. Except these robots are only
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: doing what they're supposed to do. Megan is a robot.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: She is learning and she is acting like a friend,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: but she's a robot. She cannot actually have that full
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: interaction where there's push and pull. She is there to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: serve a purpose, do a job. She is not what's
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the word autonomous. Well, I mean she does eventually get autonomy,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: but she's not autonomous, and that she can be shut off,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: she can be told what to do.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: She is following following protocol.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So that's not a real friend, that's not a real support,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and Jima just passes her off with no thought for
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: what that could do to her niece real quick.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Jack Dylan Grazer plays Barney who is Eddie casper Zak
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: from The Yeah, and Zach Galafanakis is Ron and Ed
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Helms as as Graham.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So also that's one worth a watch. It was really
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: well done.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: So what's crazy about this movie too is that the
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: idea is not even far fetched at this point, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: that's what makes this have an immediately like uncomfortable feeling.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: It's very uncanny valley, and it's kind of scary because
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: AI is just become becoming rapidly more popular. I mean
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: there's already I've seen clips of robots since it's it's
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: getting it's getting to the point where we're gonna live
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: out the plot of Terminator too. But I did love
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the marketing campaign because it did kind of lean into
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the chaos of Megan. The biggest meme catalyst was the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Hallway Dance, which I know you don't like when the
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: trailer first job, audiences immediately claw like grabbed onto that,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and uh, you know, they they started recreating it on
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: TikTok and stuff like that. It was a pretty big sensation,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: like a viral sensation. But I just love how most
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: horror villains stalk their victims, and Megan's like, now let
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: me serve real quick before I got stab you. But yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: there was a whole bunch of Megan dancers appearing at
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: sporting events, TikTok reactions, and then trailer edits came out later,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: emphasizing the comedic beats. It was everywhere. She became quote
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: apparently a slag queen online, a villain people could root
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: for because she's entertaining and kind of vibes like Chucky
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: in a way. In a way with me. Obviously they're
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: they are made completely different, but they both have that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: comedic side, which is also terrifying because dolls shouldn't be live. So,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: but I think the thing about Megan is that it
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: understands in twenty twenty two, the real horror is going
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: to possessed toy. It's a toy connected to Wi Fi.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, because it's not even about the AI itself,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it's like using.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: She's plugged into everything.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Basically, because even early on, before she gets the robot,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the movie starts with Katie having an iPad
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and the parents arguing about how much iPad time she's having,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: because that's a real problem today. Kids don't know how
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to interact without their iPad. There it is, it can
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: become addicting.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: iPad kids are real things.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: They don't know how to self soothe because the screen
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: does it for them. And they're arguing about like iPad
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: screen time in the car, and then when Jemma suggests
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: she used her iPad, she's like, well, how much time
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: before I have to turn it off? I don't care.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, what about screen time? And Jimmy says,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: what's that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: She's like, doesn't care. She doesn't. She is zero percent
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: thought about the ramifications. And she's in the market of
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: making kids toys. That is something that should one hundred
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: percent be her job at part of her job isn't
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: just to create these things, but to know how they
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: interact with the consumer. Absolutely, she doesn't give a shit
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: about that part. No, she only cares about the building part,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and what happens after is not her problem.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: He doesn't even give a shit about the furry, fuzzy
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: things she's making her. They're doing a basement project anyways
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: for Megan because that's the real thing she wants to
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: get out there and sell.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really is, like the big horror is
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: about that. You know, people will give the kids this, that,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: any kind of technology to keep them quiet, keep them
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: out of the way. You and I were talking about
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: when they make the little ad for Megan, and you're like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: one of the lines that he had is so you
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: can get back to what's important. Because of how Megan
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: will take care of everything. It'll help teach your kid
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and keep your kid distracted.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Essentially, come to a shot of Gemma sitting down on
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: the couch and opening her laptop because Meghan's got it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: That's important, not bonding with your niece whose parents fucking
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: died in front of her. Yeah, let me get on
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: my computer.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, she makes it super weird that Katie is
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: not allowed to touch any of her stuff, and when
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: she does give her one of her things, she won't
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: even let Katie like play with it or interact with
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: it without her telling her how she should specifically use it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: It's not meant to be played like this. Just shut
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: up Gemma.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Like, Jemma's so focused on the mechanics that she can't
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: even see the damage she's.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: She's more of a robot than Meghan is. Yeah, she's
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: more shut off from her feelings and has no idea
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: how the fuck society works. That Megan eventually, over time,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: learned to become more sympathetic and human than Jemma ever
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: has been.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Frankly, I thought while we were watching this, it would
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: have been so much more impactful if Jimma died, if
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: it was like now that she finally clicked in, because
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: she does eventually get her little redemption moment where she's like.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: The third act of the movie, it takes.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Katie going full on Tweaker meltdown over Meghan, which, by
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the way, she hasn't shown this range of emotions. She
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: gets a little annoyed once, but she goes full on
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: screaming crash out, and then she's like, oh shit, maybe
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: it was a bad idea, you think and uh, And
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: then she's like, you know what, I really screwed this up,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: you really fucking did. It would have been so much
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: more impactful to her to be like, you know what,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I did, screw this up, but you are what matters
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the most to me, and I mean that. And then
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: if she just died, now Meghan shouldn't be raising Katie,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: but like that's a sequel.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: That was hell Megan two point zero raising kids.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Dude, if this were a different kind of film, Jemma
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: would have died and Katie would have gone off with
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Meghan to start a new life.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Honestly, if they ended it with Jemma dying, they could
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: have had Katie and Meghan take hands, walk off into
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: the night. No sequel, just done one off movie. If
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: they did, a sequel would have to be unrelated, but
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: that would have been.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Such are an art house film.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: That's ah god, that's how That's how I would have
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: ended it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like Jemma is literally the fucking worst.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: She is the antithesis.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Sure she let's go for it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Why not of the iPad parent like, no thoughts, no concern,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And it's such a massive problem today, Like we as parents,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: we don't our daughter every once in a blue moon
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: gets to see and I mean like every few weeks
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: gets to see my iPad to color on the coloring app.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And that's it, And that's it she. The craziest screen
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: she has is she has a leap Frog phone that
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: has light up numbers and you can play a little
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: click the guess the item behind the curtain game, and
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that's it. That's it she, you know, because we want
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: her to be into imaginative play and really process her feelings.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: And not be glued to technology. But I think that's
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: where this movie finds its voice. Is it's not just
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: a killer doll movie. It's also an incredibly well done
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: tech satire. I think that's one of the film's biggest strengths.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely Obviously we talked about this, but you know, like
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: outsourcing parenting to technology, Like I told you, the term
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: iPad kid is a thing for a reason. Some parents
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: just don't put in the hard work and they'll just,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: you know, let technology keep them company, which is exactly
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: what happens with Gemma and Katie. She spends so much
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: of her time working and not making enough time for
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: her niece. She does not know how to process grief whatsoever,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: but she can code a robot what a weird dynamic
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Gema is dealing with there.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Just to clarify, though, we're not saying parents who give
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: their kids screen time here and there bad people are.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Just just to be clear, I just want to throw
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that out there because I thought about that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I'm talking specifically about how Gemma just pawned that is
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: a bad parent. She's just pawning her off.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: We're talking about parents who just straight up don't give
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: a shit and have their kids roaming free on iPads.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I mean we the screen time our daughter gives is
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: we watch movies together, but we watch movies that are
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: engaging for her, you know, Yeah, we mix it up.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's it's children. Forming emotional bonds
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: with devices is a real thing. If you're not getting
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: that emotional connection with parents, siblings, whatever, this can lead
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: to children becoming attached and relying on those devices. They're
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: making connections with things instead of people, which is fucking
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: kind of sad when you think about it. Obviously, in
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: this case, Meghan does become some sort of a protector,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: and a is there because you know, Katie got emotionally neglected.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: But the movie is absolutely critiquing tech solutionism, the idea
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: that every human problem can be solved with an app
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: device AI assistant. Yeah, I feel like It's a very
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: sharp commentary on that because as much as Gemma is
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: an advocate for Megan, there are so many people around her,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: mainly Tests. I'd say Tests is like the real voice
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: of reason. That's the other lady she's working.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, And she said, well Meghan's raising her
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: then what are you doing?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Right? She's like, well what are you doing? And I
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: was like, thank you Test for bringing that up. That's
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: a great point. Call her ass out of course. But
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: you know, David, the ringleader over there, doesn't give a shit.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: And I think think the problem with Megan and being
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: released so soon is because he was He's like, all right,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: this is great. Is it ready to go? And they're like, well,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: let's roll it out, just roll it out. So you
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: have this corporate greed of wanting to get something out
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: there that's going to be top of the line, costs
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of money and make you money, but you
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: haven't even put all the safety protocols in play yet
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: or in place yet. You're just worried about that bottom dollar.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Well, the bottom thing is is I know he is
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: set up to be kind of another antagonist, but so far,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: if you really think about it from his perspective, Is
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: he a douche? Yeah, But he comes into get an
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: update on a product that is necessary for their company,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: finds out his people aren't doing their jobs that they're
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: paid to do. They're in fact, taking company money to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: do a side project that he didn't authorize at all.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, as a boss, I'd be pretty fucking pissed
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: if you weren't fulfilling your employment obligation by getting your
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: job done. And then he is presented with this doll
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: because Jemma decides, well, I'm gonna fix it up for
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: my niece, gets it out in front of him so
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: she doesn't get in trouble at work, not because it's ready,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: but she rushes the process to save her own ass,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: puts her niece in danger because she's rushing to save
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: her own ass. And then, as far as he's concerned,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: why would you present me with an unfinished product? As
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: far as he's concerned, this is the next new thing,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and you're showing me the finished products because it looks
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: ready to go from where I'm standing from.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: He launches it, especially from that presentation, it looks pretty
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: ready to go.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like he's a douche, But he's also a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: businessman trying to get his which they even say like, oh,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: we're getting competition that's releasing similar products fast, we need
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to get ahead of that. So he's thinking of it
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: from a business perspective, and I don't don't necessarily blame
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: him no for what he's doing. Jemma really is fucking
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: causing all the goddamn problems here.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's there's two factors that come into
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: play here, because because I think the real monster here
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: is obviously how corporations don't give a shit. Well, yes,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: the real monster here though, is how corporations don't give
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: a shit. They just want your money. They couldn't care
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: less about the ethical boundaries they cross. But Gemma is
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the one crossing the ethical boundaries because there's no safety
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: measures in place, and David is just like, I want
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: this out because I want to make money. So they're
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: both in the wrong for two separate reasons. He is
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: kind of oblivious to the fact that it's not really ready,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: and Gemma's like, well, it'll be fine, guys. Together, you
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: guys are making some terrible decisions.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: He is rushing based on what she is giving him
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to Yeah, like again, he's a douche, but he is
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: going based off her information and trying to protect the
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: company interest. And you know, same fucking thing though for
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the neighbor, the neighbor who uh dog, Jemma is constantly
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: getting pissed off that the dog's in her yard, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the neighbor straight up says, then why don't you fix
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the hole in your fence? So it's the neighbor's fault that, like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the neighbor got a shot callar to try to keep
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the dog in there, but it's Jema's fence that's busted.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And Gemma is getting upset with them because she didn't
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: make didn't fix something, and expects them to solve the problem.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Dog shouldn't be outside. I'm just saying, if you you
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: know that dog should be inside. But that's just me.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Some dogs like to be outside, man. But and then
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: you've got the runoff of the thing that's probably coming
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: through the freaking hole in the fence. And yeah, Jemma,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: if you're kind of watching though, Megan gets the sense
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that she's really needing to protect and care for Katie.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And the way Jemma reacts to the situation with the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: dog and with the neighbor and threatening and aggressive. Megan goes, Okay,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that is a real danger. The only way to solve
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that is with aggression and violence. Like she is literally
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: watching how Jemma deals with that situation and taking it
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: to the next step.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. When she also says at one point, which is
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: one of the most pivotal lines in the entire movie,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: she said to Megan, you are here to protect Katie
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: at all costs, emotionally and physically. Yeah, you said at
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: all costs. Nothing's off the table at that point. Murders
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: on the table when you say protect her at all costs.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if Jemma had actually taken care of Jemma
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: likely is leaving all the important shit on the back
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: burner to focus on her projects. Like if she had
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: taken care of the fence, the dog wouldn't have gotten
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: over the fence because it's coming through that hole. And
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: if Jemma were watching, by the way, the only reason
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: they go across the fence to go get that arrow.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And they're completely unsupervised because Jemma sitting in her fucking
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: office working again. You notice when she gave her the iPad,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: it was the first thing in the morning and She's like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna work for a couple hours and then
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: we'll go out and do something and then it's fucking night.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: She just left her all day to herself. So Jemma
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: continuously shows that she prioritizes herself and her own wants
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and needs, but expects everybody else to manage everything else
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: in the meantime. She's an extremely selfish person, and frankly,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: all those deaths are Jema's fault.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I told you. I don't think I
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: said this on air yet, but I told you. It's like,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: if anyone has time to raise a kid, it's her.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: She's not in a relationship, she doesn't have a dog,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: she has nothing going for her in her life except
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: her job. That's it. Yeah, or he doesn't have a dog.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Did I say job? Whatever? Uh, So she's in the
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: best possible scenario to help this kid deal with the
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: great you know, the loss of her parents, but she's
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: so much more focused on working. She doesn't care, doesn't
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: give a shit, like she might.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Care, but she's too scared to actually do anything about it,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: so she deflects it off to somebody else.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with technology, Yeah, given the way was the worst
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the worst. So now, of course technology alone is the
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: only thing that makes this movie work. I think what
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: sells it is the dynamic between the humans and the robot, who,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: like I mentioned earlier, start acting slowly more human than
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: they do, like Gemma, you know, or like Megan acting
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: way more sympathetic in a sense then, because I know
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: she doesn't really have emotion, but she's learning constantly all
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: the time, and.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: She's that ways to express sympathy with Katie, like recording
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: her memories for her so she doesn't forget.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so we've already talked about Gemma in depth.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I do think she has about as much emotional depth
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: as a household appliance. I don't know what that means,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: that's just what I wrote down. Yeah, like maybe maybe
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: about as much as a toaster, because you know, toasters
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: are only about ya deep. So she know she's pawning
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: her off on a robot that's not ready to go
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: focusing on works. Meghan, on the other hand, becomes more
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: attached to Katie and willing to do anything to protect her. Now,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: maybe not in the most civilized ways, of course, but
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: the point remains she has more concern for Katie with
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: something that doesn't have a soul. You know, Katie doesn't
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: have a or sorry, Megan doesn't have a soul, that
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: inner voice that tells you what to do. She is programming,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: learning and problem solving. That's all Meghan's doing. Has morality,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: no real there's no exactly. Of course, there's no morality
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: because she jumped to meet to immediate violence. Yep, which
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's one way to handle things.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't I don't. I don't recommend it
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: in this day and age, you'll probably get in trouble.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but then you then you talk about Katie.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I mean this, This poor kid had her parents die
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: in front of her, I mean literally right in front
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: of her. And I love how this movie starts like
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: every Disney movie backstory about parent and they went through
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: a drive and it was raining, but it was you know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: change the rain out for snow, so we get to
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: see how it's good to see that happen. But she
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: gets a resentment towards so after the death of her parents,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: clearly shattered kid gets taken in by the only person
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: like next of ken, who doesn't really care for her,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: so that she grows her resentment towards Gemma because she
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: was denied any sort of emotional unders what is what
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: am I looking for? Any sort of emotional connection? And
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: then she just wants Megan because she's the only thing
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: actually doing anything for her, and that's why she has
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: that meltdown and in their car, like what are you
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: doing with her? She's the only like, this is all
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: I have at this point, you know, you you give
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: me nothing. My parents are dead, Megan is all I have.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Like Katie gives Jemma so much attitude because eventually Gema
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: tries to do some parenting, but Katie is like, I'm
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: not interested in you trying to parent at this point,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I'm learning everything I need to from Megan. You're you're
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: useless to me.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she really doesn't parent, and you know, they even
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: offer Gema the opportunity to send Katie to live with
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: her grandparents, who would be way more present, but Gemma,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: continuing to be the most selfish person in this film, goes, no,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I promised her mom, so I'm going to keep her.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just not going to actually do anything right and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: her mom and they established that Katie's homeschooled, so then
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: she immediately starts looking into public school for Katie, which
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I get if you can't homeschool, but that's not what
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: her mom wanted for her. And then so she's like, well,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I found this other school thing where you go out
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: into the woods. Where the fuck is she gonna what
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: was she gonna learn math and English out there?
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: No, she's gonna look for roasted chestnuts, right, And I.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Was like, Jesus, Gemma, what did you google? Search a
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: nature group? And like call it a day, Like where's
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: where's the education? Also, you can hire a home school
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: if you can afford all the ship you have, you
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: could probably afford an at home tutor. You can probably
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: wanted to work if you really wanted that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: She's a leading like technician, a lat of scientists whatever.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: She is at a engineer, pretty big tech company. And
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: again she is a single white woman. I don't know why. Yeah,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Like she's got a big you could afford a nanny easily.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And but she doesn't do that. She just kind
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: of puts everything off, Like Jesus, she's unprepared for the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: notion that Katie would want a bedtime story, right, she
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: prepares nothing for Katie.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I did feel Katie was a little I don't know,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: you know, this is our first kid. We'll see how
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: long she wants bedtime stories. But I did feel like
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I thought, aren't you a little old for like a
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: bedtime story?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought that too. But honestly, when I
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: was her age, because she's like eight, maybe my parent
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: like I might read I want to read a book
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: by myself. But my god daughter, she still gets likes
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: to read books with her parents sometimes, like they work
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: on bigger books. Not like they're not reading Cinderella. They're
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: reading like maybe short age appropriate chapter books or something
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: like that together, or like reading Shel Silverstein books, something
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: with more words in it, more depth. But it's a
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: chance for reading practice.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, fair too if you're showing them how to read
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: and stuff.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like Jemma doesn't own one fucking book in
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the house. It doesn't matter what the book is. She
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: just wants to read. You literally brought her in there
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and then just put her in bedding, and there's like, okay,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: well go be.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Asleep, now turn your brain off.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: It's just like getting bringing a puppy home, throwing some
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: newspaper on the ground.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: You'll be good and you're good, I'll be gone for
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: the week. Yeah. So, so talked about Gemma, talked about Katie.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Talking about Meghan here for a minute, because I mean,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: what makes this film effective is that Megan isn't I
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: don't think she's necessarily chaotic. She's like, has this unsettling
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: calm about her. She's logical. Sometimes that logic can get
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: a little crazy, of course, and again she might take
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: it too far, but my point remains, she isn't necessarily evil.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: She's just taking her programming extremely seriously.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: She is taking yeah, because they didn't put in safety protocols,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: she is taking things to the extreme. But there's nothing
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: ever really that crazy with her logic, Like with the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: wayge Ema is acting. Yeah, Megan would be a better caretaker. Yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Meghan is actually present for her even as a robot.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: She tries to help. You know, she's doing exactly what
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: she's programmed to do, be a caretaker. But you know,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: gets a little murder violent y. But the times where
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: she does lock eyes with people.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Like oh god, those Megan's And the.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Neighbor said something to her and she looked over and
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I was like, you just made the list, bitch, you
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: just made the list. There's just those funny moments where
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: she's just like, I now perceive you as the next
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: problem to solve.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just hey, Meghan. Is basically what happens when a
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: customer service algorithm gains self awareness and decides to solve
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: problems permanently. That's That's where I'm at with that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna get bit by that dog.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Again, and then once she starts to solve those problems.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I think the movie fully leans into its tone because
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: it does walk a pretty fine Tonal line between horror
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: comedy stuff like that. Because it's played it's played deadly serious,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you know, much like Reanimator. Everyone in this movie is
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: giving full commitment. Their performances don't come off necessarily hammy
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: like Reanimator. I think everyone's coming off the way they intend.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: But like the view but us as a viewer, there
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: are many different scenes that play off as humorous, especially
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: the some of Megan's one liners, some of her stares,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: the length she's going, it's hilarious because you're like, damn,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: you're going straight to murder for her. It's not funny,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: that's just the next logical step for us. It's like, Damn,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: this bitch going to one hundred.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: So I love the tone because they lean it, they
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: lean into the camp without it becoming a parody like
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: it understands. The golden rule of Killer Doll movies is
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: the more serious the humans take it, the funnier the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: doll becomes. And even Megan takes it serious for the
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: most part. There are some I think she has some
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: kind of setup lines that are meant to be funny,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: but like some of the instances for me that that
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I wrote down here are specifically from Megan's the singing.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Legitimately thought this was going to turn into a musical
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: the first time I saw it, when I was like, oh,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: we're singing. Because she does it a couple of times,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: it was comforting. It was like comforting for Katie, I'm sure.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: But they tell you that would scare just freak me
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: the fuck out, fire Wave, Please, please don't ever do
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: that to me.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: The mean mugging that I mentioned a second ago, I
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: noticed plenty of I noticed plenty of times on previous watches,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: but I never noticed how many times Megan mean mugs
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Gemma specifically like bitch, I'm doing your job, or this
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: is all your fault.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Lady really just looks of like, hmmm, yeah, if only
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: you had done something earlier.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe I wouldn't have to solve this problem. The horse
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: trot she did wasn't even that didn't even need to
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: be in the movie. That was the thing of Nightmares
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: when she just starts trotting after that kid in the woods.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: So what are we doing here? And then the dance
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: scene you hate is both hilarious but also horrifying. Again,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: it's very uncam Valley. I think that's why it's so
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: off putting. So it's this razor thin line of Uncanny
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Valley serious tone but also kind of hilarious at the
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: same time. I don't know, it's uh, I really like
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: this movie. I'm very excited to hear your rating on
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: this one. But you know, beneath all the dance moves
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: and killer one liners, I think the movies, you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: we talked about this too. The movie's poking at something deeper,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: the tech dependency, corporate ethics, artificial empathy, Like can programmed
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: care replace real human connection? I don't think so, but
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's what this movie is
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: trying to comment on, Like this is why we can't
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: do this. We can't. Robots can't have feelings. They can,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: you know, be programmed to do certain things, but they're
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: never going to fully understand the human depth of emotion. Yeah,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: which is not impossible, not yet at least I think
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: that's all I have here. You think of oh fun
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: fat Meghan and I don't know if Casey haven't seen
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: this movie, which will be a weird, weird move at
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: this point, Megan actually stands for model model three generative android.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: I do love a good what are those things called? Uh,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: let's stand for something at acronym. Yes, Hey, I did it.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: I did it. I do have a couple of hot
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: takes here. I haven't had a hot take in a while.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: It's fun, go for it, I hear them. So all
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: of this could have been avoided if Katie's dad put
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: the fucking chains on their tires. Jesus arguing about but yeah,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: putting those on there. I'm just saying, you would put
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: those on there, maybe you wouldn't have been in the
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: middle of the road to get hit by that truck.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: And uh, this is a Frankenstein movie. What do you
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: think about it? A little? It is? Yeah, in this case,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: woman creates sentient thing, sentient thing, you know, interacts with
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: the world, realizes the world is I mean, in this case,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: they don't really hate Meghan, but realizes the world is
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: a very flawed place and eventually tries to kill the
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: thing that created it.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: For Franking Son, yeah, anyway.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: In a way. But yeah, Megan, I it's one of
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: those movies that I saw the trailer for. I was
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: going in to watch it with Spencer just because I thought,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: there's no way this is going to be good. But
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: it looks so ridiculous that I have to see it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: So went to the theaters. Loved it. You didn't go
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: with me, forced you to watch it, and against your
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know, whatever you want to call it. You you
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: were like, oh, well, oh that was kind of fun.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I like that. I know it's a good time. Well yeah,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: but I mean that's kind of the point. And that's
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: why I think they give her that redemption arc in
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: the end, even though it takes till the third act.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Of redemption conversation. Really it was like one, well.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: But then she yeah, then she tries to you know,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: they do eventually destroy Meghan and that ending see the
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: ending fighting scene that takes place in her basement is
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: a really good scene too. Yeah, especially when they bring
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: to life that first kind of initial robot Bruce who
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: helps you know.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Combat Kady beats her ass, just the like Hulk smash
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: into the tables moment there.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Right, it was really cool because it was such a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: confined space to have that kind of like big of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: a battle. But it works so well, just because I'm
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: claustrophobic about being in such a tight space and everyone's fighting.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I really think it's a good movie. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: an hour and forty two it's it's a little bit long,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: but honestly, I think I don't really think there's any
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: wasted time. I don't think there's any slow parts. I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: think it has a pretty good like slow build.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and horror.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: The horror elements do come into play much more as
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: the movie goes on, and if you do watch the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: unrated cut, Like like I said, there are a few
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: instances of extra gore. The scene where she rips off
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: that kid's ear is much more extended, and then when
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: she starts slicing people up in the elevator, it's a
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: lot more bloody. It's not much, but it is what
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, take what I can get. I was
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: hoping for, like, you know, five more minutes of blood
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: and carnage, but you know whatever, you can't get it all.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Anything else that you wanted to mention her highlight before
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: we wrap up, I guessid. I think that's all we have.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: That's all I have, at least. No, I think I'm good,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: all right. So that is Megan from twenty twenty two.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to the final cut taglines two of them.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Friendship has evolved and she's more than a toy. She's family, right,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Stick stick with me on this one. That's long, it's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: but it's interesting. Amy Donald, a ten year old national
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: champion dancer and brown belt in karate who was discovered
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: quote at a farm down the road, provided the full
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: body moving shots, including all stunts and the dancing scenes
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: for Megan. Gerard director Gerard Johnstone said in an interview
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: the methodology was essentially to use an animatronic puppet. When
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: she's still and as soon as she starts moving, she's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: a girl in a mask, and that it had only
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: been possible because the incredible young actress had physical abilities
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: he hadn't believed anyone would have and was so completely
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: dedicated she would work out how to do anything he
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: asked of her. Donald received coaching from Luke Hawker, a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: movement coach used in working prosthetics, and worked with the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: stunt team. On set, Donald wore a static silicon Megan
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: mask created by Moreau FX, which was later animated with
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: CG for Megan to appear like she was speaking. The
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: film was originally rated AR by the MPAA. While editing,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: it was evident that it could be brought to a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: PG thirteen rating after altering a few scenes and attract
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: a larger audience due to the trailer's popularity among teens.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Some scenes were reshot to tone down the violence and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: obtain a PG thirteen rating, probably why they have the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: unrated version on the Blu Ray. Screenwriter Akella Cooper cited
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: that Richard cited the Richard Attenborough film Magic nineteen seventy eight,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: the one I mentioned, and her innate fear of ventriloquist
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: dummies as one of her chief influences on her screenplay.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: She's also a big fan of the Chucky franchise, and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: while Meghan Sorry, while Jimma is going over the pitch
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: presentation for Megan, she states that it uses an A
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: seventeen bionic processor. This is a specific chip designed by Apple.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Fun fact, Goof's uh great petty goof Here Meghan reads
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Katie Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. However, the line of Tweedle's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: d Tweedled's Meghan Reads is from through the Looking Grass
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Glass What Alice found there? Wow? Rated six point three
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: out of ten on IMDb. For our purposes of the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Nightmare index, that is a weird three point one point
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: five out of five, a low two point seven out
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: of five on letterboxed ninety three percent on the Tomato meter,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: and a seventy eight percent audience score. What did you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: give this? Three and a half three and a half?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: I gave it a four, so that gives us a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: nightmare index of three point three four. So that is
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: sitting right in between ooh interesting. So this is low
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: on the list, but that's fine. It is just above
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: the Nesting at a two point sixty seven and just
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: under Army of the Dead at a three point three five.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: So this is a three point three four. So that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: is down on the list, but that's expected. Nothing to house.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Nothing's gonna top house. We started real strong similar movies.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: According to IMDb, we have Megan two point zero and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: then This Is Where It Goes Downhill, Smile, The Black Phone,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Smile two, and The Purge Got It. Three of those
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: are Blumhouse movies or two of those no. Three similar movies.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: According to Letterbox, we have Child's Play twenty nineteen five
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: nights at Freddy's, two five nights at Freddy's, The Monkey
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: and Companion. Yeah, definitely more better, more better, mo better
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: funny review. What do you got?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Okay? Four stars from Tony The Terror If you're not
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: doing the Meghan dance before killing someone over me, I mean,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: are we even friends?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I think you're like this one. I'm gonna start with
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: this one. Four stars from adri Ah. Yes, the Holy
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Trinity of Dolls, Meghan, Barbie and rinesme, but all with
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: threes for ease. Yeah, I thought you'd buy that one.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: H Three stars from James Swirly Star. Uh, that's my sister,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: What Meghan.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Three stars from Geeba this is ex Machina for iPad babies. Uh.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Three and a half stars from Dakota Waquin. Third movie
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: of the franchise is gonna be called Meghan with the three.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's weird about that is they call
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: it m you know, Meghan with the Three, but none
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: of the posters have it listed like that at all.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know it's so weird.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: But that's a hilarious site.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Gig No, that's great. Three and a half stars from Gabby.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: If you cared so much about your dog, you wouldn't
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: let him live outside, you dumb bitch. That's what I'm
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: saying you anymore. No, Three and a half stars from
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: ram Heart. She really thinks titanium is a lullaby. I
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: have one that I don't know what it means, but
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: four stars from the next one Lewis Petsman, Chucky had
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: to work so hard for queer icon status and here
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: comes little miss Meghan, an instant legend. Yeah no, so
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I said, the next one is the one. I don't know.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I feel like that one's
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: pretty obvious. Chucky is a queer icon.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, I know. So three and a half
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: stars from Anna. I know her and Azalea Banks would
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: have the craziest beef. Who's Azalea Banks? Okay? I was
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: thinking of Iggy Azalea but I was like, that's different wrapper,
• 1:07:01
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