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Pastors' Perspective-09/29/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Pastor's Perspective Program. 888-564-6173 is
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  Speaker 1: the number to call. Again, 888-564-6173 is the number to
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  Speaker 1: call if you'd like to talk to Brian Broderson. He
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  Speaker 1: is pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in Southern California.
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  Speaker 1: California. You can get more information about his ministry at echoesofmercy.com.
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  Speaker 1: We also have Pastor Phil Metzger of Calvary Chapel San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: The church website there is uh CalvarySD.com. And I see
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  Speaker 1: Phil has his San Diego Padres cap on to represent
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  Speaker 1: San Diego today.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta do it, man. Gotta do it. Gotta give them
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  Speaker 2: a shot. Hopefully we, uh, pull off this wild card
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  Speaker 2: we lost to them last year. This is our, this
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  Speaker 2: is our year to then, yeah. Oh wow. So it's like, um,
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  Speaker 2: baseball playoff and World Series time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This
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  Speaker 2: is the wild card like week, and then, uh, and
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  Speaker 2: then it's, yeah, so Padres made an incredible second half
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  Speaker 2: of the year comeback to put themselves here and
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  Speaker 2: And um they still got to get through arguably, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers and then the Dodgers so that's really exciting always, always,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm in, I know you guys are
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  Speaker 2: in Dodger land, so there's no love for me. I
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  Speaker 2: get it, but I don't care. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me.
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  Speaker 1: I was raised an Angel fan and we did horrible
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  Speaker 1: this year, so I can't defend anybody, even though there's
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  Speaker 1: people asking me to defend the Dodgers. I can't quite
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  Speaker 1: do it because, uh, my team is long gone. So, uh, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I hope, I hope whoever team you root for root for,
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  Speaker 1: wherever you are, I hope your team wins. That's, that's
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  Speaker 1: where I'm at, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I've
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  Speaker 1: never, I don't have a dog in the
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  Speaker 2: fight. I've never had, uh, a baseball team that I've,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, grew up in LA when I was young, so
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers were the Dodgers, and, but, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: never really gave much thought to that. I never, I
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  Speaker 2: never was much of a baseball guy. I think the
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  Speaker 2: last time I was interested in
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  Speaker 2: Ah, baseball was when the Padres.
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  Speaker 2: With Steve Garvey.
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  Speaker 2: Went to the World Series and did they win it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't remember. Padres have never won the
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  Speaker 2: World Series. OK, but they did go, uh, and they
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  Speaker 2: went with Garvey and I remember watching that, that World Series. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 1984,
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  Speaker 1: that's what Johnny Gordon says.
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  Speaker 2: Johnny, 1984, that's the year they went. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what Johnny says. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: really,
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  Speaker 1: 1984,
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  Speaker 2: was it? Yeah, I mean, they're, they're the, they're the
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  Speaker 1: Clippers. Deloitte say that. I stand corrected.
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  Speaker 2: We're the, we're the Los Angeles Clippers of like the, um,
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  Speaker 2: MLB where, you know, you go, wow, this is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a great year, and then it, it just falls apart. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: falls apart, yeah, you know, I got it with football.
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  Speaker 2: I got stuck with just being a Rams fan, you know,
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  Speaker 2: growing up.
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  Speaker 2: There and then my, my stepdad, his uncle.
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  Speaker 2: Um, was a guy named Crazy Legs Hirsch who
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  Speaker 1: played
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  Speaker 2: for the Rams back in the, yeah, like the 40s,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so it was a Rams, um, definitely a
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  Speaker 2: Rams vibe around the house and, and, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: just kind of sticks with you and then you don't
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  Speaker 2: even wanna be a Rams fan and, and then you're like, why,
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  Speaker 2: why do I even care.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw they lost to who did they lose to?
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  Speaker 2: They lost to somebody yesterday to the 49ers week one, babe. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: week 1 49er victory, 3 and 0, but they, but
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  Speaker 2: they lost, uh, but the Rams lost to somebody else yesterday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they lost to, um, they lost to Denver. Denver, yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's right, it was to Denver, yeah, yeah, so you know.
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  Speaker 2: What a, what a lame, what a lame start.
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  Speaker 1: So were you ever a fan of any team growing up?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, baseball, football, hockey, basketball, anything? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah. I mean, I was a, I was a
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  Speaker 2: Rams fan. I hate to admit it, but you know
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  Speaker 2: I was. But then, you know, they moved to Saint
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  Speaker 2: Louis and it was like, OK, I'm, I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: follow them to Saint Louis. You know, I was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a Charger fan for a while, of course,
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  Speaker 2: I lived in San Diego County for 13 years, so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, had to, had to kind of
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  Speaker 2: Swing a little bit toward the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: Um, like I said, they're the Clippers of the NFL. They're,
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  Speaker 2: they're the NFL Clippers. That's the way it goes. That's
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  Speaker 2: so true.
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  Speaker 2: That's so true, and uh, so, um.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I, the last few years I've, I've
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  Speaker 2: kind of liked the Forty-Niners, but man, they just got
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  Speaker 2: slacked last year. It's like what happened because they looked
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  Speaker 2: like they had such a strong thing going and then
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  Speaker 2: it all just unraveled, I think, in the, we get
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  Speaker 2: injured so much, man, and we're
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  Speaker 2: We already have 9 starters injured after 3 games if
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  Speaker 2: you could believe it. So, but, but we're, um, we're
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  Speaker 2: getting most of them back and, um, yeah, I think overall,
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  Speaker 2: so is, is Purdy still the quarterback? Oh, and he's,
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  Speaker 2: he's the, he's got the most, um, thrown.
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  Speaker 2: Touchdowns of anybody in the league so far. He's having
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  Speaker 2: a phenomenal. So, hey, so far, knock on wood, Niners
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  Speaker 2: look pretty good and we're having fun. One last sports thing,
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  Speaker 2: even I know people tuned in today to just get
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  Speaker 2: the sports report from people who have no idea what
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about. Obviously faster in sports.
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  Speaker 2: But what, what about, what about the Chiefs? Are they,
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  Speaker 2: are they making it some kind of a comeback, or
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  Speaker 2: are they still, they're, they're, they're, I think they're 3
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  Speaker 2: and 0 as well, and, um, the Taylor Swift effect
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  Speaker 2: is in full, is in full effect. And no, it's awesome. They're,
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  Speaker 2: they're great. It's a great team. They always find a
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  Speaker 2: way to win, you know. That's the, so is Kelsey
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  Speaker 2: still playing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still, he, he's not just playing, he's still
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  Speaker 2: stinking great. It's like I thought he was retiring with
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  Speaker 2: his Taylor Swift now why they're gonna pay him 30
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  Speaker 2: million to play off.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's so Taylor shows up at the games, right,
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  Speaker 2: and sits in the booth. Honestly, honestly, they're paying to
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  Speaker 2: make sure that the stadium is filled with Swifties. I
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  Speaker 2: love it. I think it's great for football. I love sports, man.
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  Speaker 2: It brings people together.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I, one last thing, Michael, I was a big, um,
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  Speaker 2: Bruins fan back in the, back in the early days
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  Speaker 2: when they had all of the guys, yeah, back in
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  Speaker 2: Wooden's time, when
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  Speaker 1: Kareem, well, Lou Elcinder was there,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, uh, Sidney Wicks, uh, gosh, who, who else, so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they, they had guys that went into the
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  Speaker 2: NBA and you know, nobody even remembers him anymore. Henry Bippy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he was like 5'3.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the good days, the glory days of UCLA.
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  Speaker 1: There was no question about that. No,
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  Speaker 2: those were
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  Speaker 1: good.
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  Speaker 2: Those were good days.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess the Padres play against the Chicago Cubs
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  Speaker 1: tonight at 7 p.m. Is that right, Mr. Phil? I
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  Speaker 1: think
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  Speaker 1: that's when,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, they, they play tonight, and I get to go
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow night. I'm excited. It's a 23 game.
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  Speaker 2: Series. So I'm gonna go tomorrow night. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: so fun. You get to go hang out with people,
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  Speaker 2: with friends, and just have a big old party and
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  Speaker 2: hopefully your team wins. And if they lose, you still
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  Speaker 2: had a good time.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Good memory. You put good memories together there.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope everybody enjoys watching all the sports going
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  Speaker 1: on during this sports season we're in with, uh, baseball and, uh, football.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, and enjoy. And call 888-564-6173. This is the pastor's
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  Speaker 1: perspective program. So if you have questions on the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: the Christian faith, or how to live the Christian life,
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  Speaker 1: now is your chance to get your answer. Or sports,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to ask about the Padres or the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs or, or Taylor Swift, you can call in at
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 and you can get the answers to your questions right.
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  Speaker 1: Here on the air from Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we are gonna start off with some of the Facebook
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  Speaker 1: questions that you can send to us at facebook.com/pastor's perspective,
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  Speaker 1: but we do prefer to hear the sound of your voice. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so if you can call 888-564-6173. Again, 888-564-6173. This first
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  Speaker 1: one comes from Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: From Riverside County, and he writes, I'll try to be brief, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and you may have already discussed this, but on the
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  Speaker 1: subject of no more tears in heaven, is that before
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  Speaker 1: the millennial rain or after? I ask because we have
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  Speaker 1: been discussing this lately since some recent messages I, uh, heard, uh,
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  Speaker 1: say that there are no more tears in heaven. You
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  Speaker 1: won't be crying over loved ones that didn't receive the
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  Speaker 1: new life in Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, all pastors have agreed that you
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  Speaker 1: don't get dumber in heaven, but simply no more, so
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  Speaker 1: you surely aren't going to forget your loved ones, even
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  Speaker 1: those who didn't make it to heaven, right? I know
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  Speaker 1: we are to do our best to bring everyone we
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  Speaker 1: know along with us to heaven, but I have some
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  Speaker 1: family members that are hard against the truth of Christ.
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  Speaker 1: I know we all have until our last breath, and
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  Speaker 1: God wants all to come to repentance.
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  Speaker 1: But we know many won't. So, do you have an
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  Speaker 1: opinion as to when we stop crying for our loved
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  Speaker 1: ones who are lost?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we'll start with Phil on that one. What would
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  Speaker 1: you say?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would, I would start by saying that when
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  Speaker 2: the Bible says no more tears, it doesn't say no
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  Speaker 2: more tears because you're sad about your lost loved ones.
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  Speaker 2: So that would be a.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what the tears, that's not what that's a
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  Speaker 2: reference to. Um, when we talk about like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in heaven, like, yeah, we're gonna all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: not know what we didn't know, and there's some people who,
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  Speaker 2: I think even Bobby, Brian, didn't Brian, Bobby used to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that, like the belief that like we just
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  Speaker 2: don't have knowledge of certain people anymore or you don't remember, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't remember that, um, but it could
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  Speaker 2: be because Bobby had a lot of weird ideas about
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he's listening. I wish he was just for that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell him next time I talk to him that
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  Speaker 2: we were bragging about his weird idea. Yeah, we're picking
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  Speaker 2: on him. But I mean, and I've heard, I've heard
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  Speaker 2: others talk about the idea like, you know, in heaven,
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  Speaker 2: you know what you know, and you don't know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't remember what you didn't, what's not there. And I,
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  Speaker 2: I tend to think, I don't, I don't hold that
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  Speaker 2: particular view. I tend to believe that in heaven.
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  Speaker 2: We have, we're now we're made new, we're, we're, we're
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  Speaker 2: made the way that we were made to be originally,
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  Speaker 2: and so now our knowledge is no longer filtered by our,
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  Speaker 2: like our temporary emotional mindset. So when we, when we
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  Speaker 2: consider like God's righteousness, and those that are there and
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  Speaker 2: those that are not there, we, we're able to process
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  Speaker 2: that with like a holiness that we just don't have
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 2: And so we're, we're gonna see, uh, in ways we
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  Speaker 2: don't see today, and I don't just mean like colors,
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  Speaker 2: but just, we're gonna understand reality and truth and, and
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  Speaker 2: what is right, um, not through our own lens, right? Even,
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  Speaker 2: even now as a believer, I see right through what
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  Speaker 2: benefits me, even if I don't want to do that,
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 2: But in heaven I'm gonna see and know and I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna understand rightness, righteousness in ways that I don't today. So,
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  Speaker 2: the idea of tears, um, is not about me not
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  Speaker 2: seeing people that I wish were there, um, I would,
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  Speaker 2: I would, and, and by the way, the idea of
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  Speaker 2: no more tears is after everything, it's kind of at
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  Speaker 2: the very end of all things. And so I would
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  Speaker 2: suggest that the idea of no more tears isn't even
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  Speaker 2: like a, it's not even a physical thing, like I
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  Speaker 2: know some people love to cry, like and like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to heaven and not be allowed to
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  Speaker 2: cry anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I think the concept there is, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more metaphorical to like, there's, there's the disappointments are gone,
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  Speaker 2: like all of life's sorrow and pain and disappointment, it's
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  Speaker 2: just eradicated. We're now with the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: And those things are no more. Yeah, and that's what,
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  Speaker 2: that's really what the passage says, you know, God will
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  Speaker 2: wipe away every tear from their eyes. There shall be
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  Speaker 2: no more sorrow, crying, pain, or death for the former
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  Speaker 2: things have passed away. But Phil, I think you're absolutely right,
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  Speaker 2: and I've, I've thought that for a long time, and I,
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, Job, um.
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  Speaker 2: God revealing Himself to Job and Job's response is to
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  Speaker 2: me kind of a picture of where we will all
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  Speaker 2: be in the future, you know, because everybody at times
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  Speaker 2: these days will say, man, you know, you know, some
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  Speaker 2: people will say God's got a lot of explaining to do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give him a piece of my mind or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some, some people go that far. Other people
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  Speaker 2: are just saying, you know, I, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: ask God why this, that or the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the reality is when we see the Lord,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what you see with Job, when Job
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  Speaker 2: sees the Lord, because Job has all kinds of legitimate
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  Speaker 2: questions because his whole life has just been completely wrecked,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from his, the death of his children, the
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  Speaker 2: loss of his possessions to the loss of his health
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  Speaker 2: and the tremendous suffering that he goes through. And so
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  Speaker 2: he's got a bunch of legitimate questions.
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  Speaker 2: But yet when the Lord finally, you know, reveals Himself
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  Speaker 2: to Job and says basically, OK, Job, here's your chance.
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  Speaker 2: Ask me your questions, Job says, I have no questions. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I repent and dust and ashes, and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: because of that when we see God for who He
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  Speaker 2: actually is, that just clears up everything. And so I
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  Speaker 2: don't think we're going to.
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  Speaker 2: have those kinds of concerns. When we see the Lord,
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  Speaker 2: we will know that God is right, and that's all
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  Speaker 2: that matters in the end. So, and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what you were saying, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just,
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  Speaker 2: I don't imagine a scenario where we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Something like where we just don't know, like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think about your cousin? Oh, I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember a cousin. I, I just, it just doesn't make sense,
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  Speaker 2: but what does make sense is me being able to
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  Speaker 2: say through a holy perspective that is like given by
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  Speaker 2: God now, I'm able to understand his ways.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, and, and we will forever say you are right, God,
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  Speaker 2: you are totally right. You are, you're perfect in all
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  Speaker 2: your ways, yeah, holy and true, just and righteous, yeah, that,
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  Speaker 2: that will be the
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  Speaker 1: word.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, great answers from Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin, for contacting us on Facebook, on Facebook.com/pastor's perspective. Again,
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call and we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: to Julie in San Marino who called 888-564-6173. Julie, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the program.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Good, good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thank you for calling.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, my question is about tithing. Um, I tithe to
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  Speaker 1: my church.
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  Speaker 1: And there, I know in the scriptures, it says to, uh,
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  Speaker 1: regard with respect those who bring you godly wisdom. And
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  Speaker 1: I stumbled across Kwave, oh, maybe a year and a
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  Speaker 1: half ago, I don't know. And every time I walk
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  Speaker 1: into the back bedroom, almost every time I turn it on.
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  Speaker 1: It keeps me from turning on the radio and listening
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  Speaker 1: to things that are not edifying. And I get the
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  Speaker 1: most amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Wisdom and help. And my question is, if we are
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  Speaker 1: supposed to regard those who bring us godly wisdom, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm supposed to do financially. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I have a particular, uh, pastor that I now have
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  Speaker 1: been giving something to, not on K wave, but monthly,
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  Speaker 1: along with a Christian station because the station brings me
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  Speaker 1: many people and I've been doing that for years. But
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  Speaker 1: now I've got this addition.
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  Speaker 1: Of wonderful people on K wave and I thought, am
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  Speaker 1: I supposed to give something to every pastor, or do
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  Speaker 1: I give something to K wave?
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  Speaker 1: Or what do I do?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. What would you say, Pastor Brian?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Julie, I think, I think your first commitment.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe it is, um, should be to your local
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  Speaker 2: church where you go, where you are, uh, part of
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  Speaker 2: that community, where you're, you know, you're getting fed by
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  Speaker 2: those who are ministering God's word to you and you're
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  Speaker 2: you're contributing to the to the work there. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the first, um, place. And then I think with
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: these other areas, I think that with these, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's not like an obligation, so I think you can
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  Speaker 2: be selective.
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  Speaker 2: And just.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: You know, open to the spirit leading, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: the Lord would just put on your heart at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're listening to the station and you're listening to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: a teaching and something really, really speaks to you and
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you say, you know what, I, I wanna contribute to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that ministry. So you just make that decision that, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: this month or whatever it is, I'm gonna, you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna send my check to this ministry here.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: And so I, I think, again, as long as you
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: have as your, um, I I think your base idea
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: for giving being the place where you are primarily ministered to,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I think everything else is just it it is really
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: kind of selective and you, you make the choices based
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: upon what
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: You sense at the moment and how God's working in
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: your life through that speaker or maybe that station or
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: whatever the case. Phil, what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree. I think you just have to, I
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: think it's important to stay, stay connected to your local
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: church in that sense, but then after that, it's like
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: we have so much freedom in the Lord, right, to
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: just kind of go, you know, I, you know, I
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: always feel like if somebody has it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: In their heart to do something, you have to stop
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  Speaker 2: and ask yourself like, am I, do I consider myself
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  Speaker 2: just a generally generous human being, or is it possible
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  Speaker 2: that the Holy Spirit is leading me to do something?
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  Speaker 2: And I think most of us are not generally generous people,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and so then you say, well, gosh, if I sense that,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: and it's probably from the Lord, then I should do that,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: but to not feel any like obligation outside of, you know, what,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: how the Lord's already leading you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, very good. Uh, Julie, did that help? Um, yes, uh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the issue is sort of that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Kwave is so good. I get, I mean, some days
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I go, oh, I want that CD. I, I don't
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: get these things. I did call once, but I don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: know whether to give a little to Kwave because they
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: support these fantastic pastors. And, um, I think I'm asking
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  Speaker 1: partly because I,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: If I had a bunch of money, it wouldn't matter.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I would simply start giving, passing it out, you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: but I already give primarily, as you say, to my church, um,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and I, I'm just really excited about the people that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: changed my life, and I hear things that I've never heard.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I hear teaching I haven't heard, and I'm very grateful,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and I think I will just try to do what
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you said, do the best I can.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: uh
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Occasionally, um,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Give a donation because these pastors are asking.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're asking
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: for donations.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, and of course, because, you know, it cost
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: money to, um, you know, produce a radio program and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it costs money to purchase airtime and so forth, so.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do need um the support of others and
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: we're all very thankful when that happens. But, but the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: station also um has its own needs, you know, the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: station has a number of employees and all kinds of
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: equipment and things like that. So, um, I think, again, I,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I think the Lord will show you. I know once
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in a while for me, I will have that sense like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I, I wanna give to that. I need
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to give to that.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And so, and thankfully today you can do like GoFundMe
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, you know, sometimes for me it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: more a person in a crisis, you know, somebody recently
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: died and the family is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Left and you're, you know, somebody set up a GoFundMe
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, I want to help out with that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: yes, and it's good to be generous, no question about that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So Julie, thank you for your generous heart and if
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: anybody does want to donate to KWave, you can just
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: go to Kwave.com and click on the donate button if
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you would like to do that. So thank you for
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: calling Julie from, uh, San Marino. We're going to go
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: from San Marino to Riverside and talk to Genevieve. Genevieve,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. So my question was,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I was just wondering, like, does it automatically mean you
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus, like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: even if you weren't, like, even if you grew up
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in a place where let's say like Christianity is completely
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: banned and you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Anything about Jesus. I was just wondering. So in particular,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you're saying if uh people have never heard the name
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus, is that what you're saying? Or would they
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: go to hell too? Is that what you're saying, Genevieve?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. OK, that's a great question. OK, um, uh, Phil,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say to Genevieve?
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  Speaker 2: Um, well, I, I would say it's a great question
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and um it's a great like, we, we call that
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a great like apologetics question. What about those people that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: have never heard the gospel, and the Bible does speak
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  Speaker 2: to that though, maybe not in the way that we
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: would like, maybe it's not as clear as we would
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: actually like it to be, but we, we, we put
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: a few things together when we talk about like how
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: does God deal with people that have never heard the gospel,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: never heard of Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Um, what happens to those people? And so what we
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: do is we're putting a few things, there's no one
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  Speaker 2: Bible verse that says, this is what happens, but there
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: are several different, um, angles that we come at from
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  Speaker 2: this to help us. The first one is the most important,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I believe, and that is this, we take into account
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the character of God. Who is God?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: What does the Bible tell us about God, right? Um,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the Bible certainly makes very clear that like for those
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of us, like, there is, there is incredible accountability with
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: what we do know, right? So like, I know that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Jesus is the way, the truth, the life, and if
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I were to reject that, I, I'm accountable to a
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: level of knowledge that, that I've been given. But what
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: about those people that have none of that? And so
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: we start with the character of God. God is so loving,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: God is so gracious.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't wish that anyone would perish, the Bible says.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Here's another angle, the Bible tells us that he will,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: he will make himself known for all of us. Like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: God is more interested in making himself known to people
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: than I am in people knowing Jesus. Like I, I'm
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: pretty passionate about people knowing the gospel, God is more interested,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: infinitely more interested, and so that means where he is
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: not known, um, where
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: The gospel is not revealed. God is revealing Himself to people.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: In fact, there's great books that cover that historically in, in, um,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: there's a great book called Eternity in Their Hearts. For
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: those of you that are readers, it's just a great
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: book outlining that God has made Himself known in cultures
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: where he is not known. He still has a way
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: of making himself known and revealed, and so.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a real big believer that God and, and the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: scriptures would point to this, that God will reveal Himself
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  Speaker 2: in ways to help people to know Him, even if
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: they don't hear the gospel the way you and I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: are used to that, and you take into account the,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the nature of God's, you know, being love, he's going
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to reveal Himself. He's going to judge the world that
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't know Him.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: In a way that would make sense. Um, and so
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I know that's not the, you know, we all want
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: an answer that says, here's the Bible verse that'll tell
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: you exactly what's gonna happen, but the truth of the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: matter is that we account for the character of God,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: his love for the world that he created, and his, his,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: his absolute passion for people to be born again.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And um you put that all together. God is making
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Himself known. I love that book Eternity in The Hearts.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's one of the greatest resources we have
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: looking at that topic.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You know that Don Richardson? Richardson,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Don Richardson, Eternity in The Hearts. And I'll just mention
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: one last thing and then I'll hand it over to
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Brian on this, and that is, gosh, I, I've spent
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: enough time with, with pastors and, and, and just Christians
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: who were in the Muslim world who came to faith
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: because God gave them a dream.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about books that I've read about that.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked to these, these people who, who have told
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  Speaker 2: me firsthand, looking, I mean, having breakfast with them and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: having them look me in the eye and say, God
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: revealed Himself to me through a dream. That's how I
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: came to know Jesus. And there's plenty of books that
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: are on that topic as well. I just wanna give
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you full assurance that the, the God that we love,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that we know through scripture is revealing Himself to people
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: all over the world in dreams, and visions. He's making
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Himself known to people.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, there's not much more to say.
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  Speaker 2: That was fantastic. Um, but I think if you, for
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a biblical text that I think just kind of confirms
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: everything Phil is saying, read Romans chapter one, verse 18 through,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: let's say 2024 or so, and then look at Romans
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  Speaker 2: chapter two. And I think, I think what we see
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: in Romans.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, is that God judges people based on what they know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: not based on what they don't know. And so everybody
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: has had some
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Sort of a revelation of God. That's what Paul is
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: saying there. Creation itself is is a revelation that there
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: is a God. And so people respond when you respond
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to the revelation you have, then more revelation.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And and I think we, that's what I think the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: scriptures are teaching overall and I think that's what experience
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: is is showing us as well. So I was just
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: uh last night, Cheryl's reading this book and then she
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: decided to put it on, you know, kind of the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: audio part of it, and I just happened to be
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: listening and it was a story of this it's amazing
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: talking about Muslims in the context of Egypt.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And this guy who is an evangelist and he's a,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: he's a believer, he's an Egyptian, but he's, um, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: very outspoken with his faith. And so one night he's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: asleep and all of a sudden he's got a gun
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: at his head and he thinks, oh no, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: this is it. They they caught up with me and
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: somebody puts a bag over his head and then takes
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: him on a journey through the city and he thinks
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: he's being taken to be executed.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: And finally he ends up through all of these different
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: little alleyways and, you know, back entrances and stuff. He
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: ends up in a mosque and he's surrounded by a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: group of imams and the imams are are Muslim, you know, leaders,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but like, you know, the equivalent of a pastor or
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: theologian or whatever. And he thinks, OK, this is it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: They're gonna, you know, pronounce a condemnation on me and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to be dead.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And instead, they one by one said we've had dreams
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and Jesus has appeared to us and we know that
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: he's the truth and we know that you know about Jesus,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: so we want you to tell us everything you know
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: about Jesus. So, so, you know, I think it's like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: 10 imams basically are putting their faith in Jesus because
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: every one of them had a dream.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And it was different, but at the end it was
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: all Jesus revealing Himself. So, and I think I can
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: say this on air, um, we have a, we have
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: imam that came to faith in, um, in an African
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: country and was a part of one of our churches there.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And he actually the Lord really raised him up and
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: he actually went back to his home area and he
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: started a church that operates like a mosque.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean the teaching, but the methodology of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: like women on one side, the men, and because he's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: like a respected leader, and now he's just telling people, Jesus.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's wild, man. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: That's so
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  Speaker 1: great. Wow, that's amazing. Genevieve, did that help?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, that helped. All right, well, thank you so much.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling Genevieve from Riverside. We
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate that great question. If you have a question to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: ask Pastor Brian or Pastor Phil, call now 888-564-6173. We're
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: going to take a break and we'll be back and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: we'll talk to Robert and Pamela and you. So give
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: us a call 888-564-6173. We'll see you in a few minutes.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the second half of Pastor's Perspective. I'm
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Michael David in for Brian Perez. On today's program, we
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: have Brian Bruderson and Phil Metzger, and, uh, Brian, you
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to say something.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I did want to say something, but Phil's gone missing. He's, um,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: either the rapture happened and Phil was the only one
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that went, because we're still here, or
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, feel, his calculation is off and he's, um, or
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: maybe he's lost in his church building somewhere. I don't know.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: But sometimes if he's at his church building, somebody can
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: snag you and have to tell you, tell pour their
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: life story to you and then you say, I've got
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to get back over there.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: That could, that could be happening. So yeah, so we'll
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: wait till he comes back and um.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, there he is. Look at him. He finally
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: made it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: All right, we were a little concerned that the rapture
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: had taken place and Michael and I missed it, but, um,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: thankfully we didn't. And so, um, but I wanted to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: mention Phil.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: That you are a grandfather once again.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I am, yes, grandbaby number 6, if you can believe it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: That is great. Congratulations. Now is that Judith's baby? Yes,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: it's his 2nd. So my 3, my 3 oldest are, um,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: 3 of my 4. My 3 oldest are married and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: each have 2 kids now. So wow.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: That is great. Yeah, man. I saw you. I saw
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you holding the little, is it a boy? It's a
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: little girl. So, yeah, a little girl. Her name is Jayden, and, um,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: she is, yeah, she's, um.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Her, she's got an older sister that's a year and
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: a half years, so they're really close together, and, uh,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that little sister's name is Alma and she's not happy.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: She calls me Papa, and every time I hold the baby,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: she says, no, Papa, no. Isn't it amazing how young
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: they get so possessive? It's true. And like, and she's the,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: she was the youngest until this one came, and so
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: she doesn't realize she knocked a whole bunch of other
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: people out of that spot.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we're, we're, we're really happy. Yeah, Judah leads
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: our kids' ministry here at the church, but he, yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: a dad of two little girls, he's a girl dad,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: all girl dad. That's great.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Now, since you guys have both been fathers and grandfathers,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: what is the tip on, uh, when a baby replaces
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the older child and they don't want you to give
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: attention to the younger child? What, what advice
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: do you give the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: grandfathers that I, that almost always happens. I mean, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: maybe there's a few.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Situations where it doesn't happen, but you know, because in,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: in like, like as Phil is saying, you know that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: That child has been sort of the focus of everybody's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: attention and then all of a sudden, wait a second,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you know, so, um, yeah, we, our youngest is 16
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: months now and she's, and she has a 6 year
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: old brother and he, he's pretty good, you know, he,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it's funny because he's never really been, maybe because he's
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit older, so he's never been that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, wait, you know, give me attention because he's
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: kind of self-sufficient anyway, but um, yeah, but you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the grandpa thing is just amazing and Lila has become
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: just such a delight, you know, for, for me. So I,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I was with her for the past few
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: months and then, um, getting home, I have to FaceTime
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: her because uh she, she wants to see Grandpa and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: grandpa wants to see her. So yeah, it's very good.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: So special. I can't believe she's 16 months old already.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness, crazy, yeah, and she's a riot, and she
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: is absolutely hilarious.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Uh, there's nothing. Grandparenting is the best parenting of all.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: amazing, yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, 888-564-6173 is the number to call and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: as promised, we're going to go to Robert in Hemet. Robert,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, glad to be here. Uh, I have called before, but, uh,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Pastor Phil and Pastor Brian, I listened to both
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of you guys, uh, otherwise, other modes and really enjoy, uh,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: your commentary on the Bible and your insight. So you're
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: so down to earth and uplifting. And,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: uh,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: anyway,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: my question is, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Robert.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome. Uh, my question is about, uh, the, uh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Between David and Goliath, the old classic, uh, story that,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I've heard since I was, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: a toddler myself, but I heard a commentary, uh, last
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: night from, uh, the Bible best man J. Vernon McGee,
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  Speaker 2: and
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  Speaker 1: he was
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: talking about,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: uh,
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  Speaker 2: how,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: uh, Goliath had
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: 4
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  Speaker 1: brothers, and, you know, I'm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting this vision in my head that
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You know, you're not just seeing Goliath in the army
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: there in front of him, but these 4 giant brothers also, uh, but, uh,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it also says, uh,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: That he, he also mentioned that, uh, he picked up
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: 5 smooth stones from the brook. Like, uh, maybe he
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: was gonna go after, you know, the brothers too. Uh,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I was wondering what, what do you think about that?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, talk about brave, man, he's not only going
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: after Goliath, but he's thinking about going after these big
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: brothers too.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Well, that does very much and and I've heard, I've
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: heard people say that before. And you know, it's a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: little bit tongue in cheek, I think, and from uh
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Jay Vernon, it would, it would be that definitely. Um,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Goliath did have brothers though, and we do know from
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: later on in the scriptures that um in future battles,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Goliath's brothers were engaged and uh it it makes a
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: point to say that um all of the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Relatives, some say it's brothers, some say it's sons of
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the giant fell by the hand of David indirectly because
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: they fell through David's men. Now, um, I don't think
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: they were all necessarily.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You know, backing Goliath as he was coming out, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: David's like, oh, wait a second, there's. Yeah. Oh, there's
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  Speaker 2: 5 of them. Let me grab 5 stones. Uh, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: David is, I mean, the sling was his weapon. And
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: so he's gonna just have, he's gonna have enough ammo. He,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: David doesn't, I, I, I mean, he doesn't have any
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  Speaker 2: guarantee that the first stone is gonna do what it did.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: But that's what it did because, of course, God was directing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: David. So I think it was just really practically speaking,
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  Speaker 2: it was just preparation for a battle that could have
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: taken 1 stone, and could have taken 5.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I would add, yeah, I, I totally agree. I think it's,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: it's prudence. This, I, I, and I've heard this, you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: taught my whole life, my Christian life was this like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't matter what direction David threw that
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: stone in, it was gonna kill Goliath. And, um, that's
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: not true. That's just not true. Like, um, God brought
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Goliath down through a man who was a really faithful,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: faithful tool.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And so, like, uh, you know, David was really good
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: at what he did and it's like, it's like anything, man,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna go into battle, go prepared, right? Like,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: don't grab one stone when you could grab 5. Why
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: would you do that? Like, there's no,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You know, and we, we also assume that like the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: whole army, the Philistine army, like, just like.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Stopped fighting the second that Goliath died, but the truth is,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: that would have incited a total battle, like a raging battle.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: And so for David to be prepared for, it's not
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: just about killing Goliath, but others are gonna be, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: not Goliath's brothers, but he has no other weapon, right?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: So he's, he's just, you just gotta be prudent. God
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: was faithful, but David was prudent.
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  Speaker 1: All right, um, Robert, did that answer your question?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, very insightful. Thank you. All right, thank you, Robert,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for calling us at 888-564-6173 from Hemet. We're going to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: go from Hemet to uh Menefee and talk to Pamela. Pamela,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Thank you for taking my, my
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: call and my question. I hope I can, um, get
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: my question now because I get so nervous. So I'm sorry, uh,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil, but my voice will be shaky, but, um,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I'm very strong and, um, my belief. My question is,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: we are studying, um, now in my Bible study, we're studying, uh,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the book of Mark.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And a market says that um Jesus sort of just
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: got up one day in Nazareth and walked over to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: um uh the Jordan and John the Baptist was there
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: because it was prophesized uh many years before and he
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: gets back.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Baptized. My question is, that was um sort of shared
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: uh thought in our Bible study was Jesus didn't know
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that he was the Son of God and when when
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: God speaks to him out of heaven, that's when he
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: got the Holy Spirit. He came down, that's when he
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: had the Spirit, but before that, he didn't have the Spirit.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: And I disagree with that, but I don't have the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: scriptures to back that up. That's what I'm hoping you
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: can help me.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Right, um.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: That's, that's, that's a great question, Pamela, and uh, you're
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: doing very well asking that question. So don't worry about
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: being a little bit nervous because you're coming across loud
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and clear and it's, it's great that you're calling. Thank you. Um.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: So remember Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. So
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: to say that Jesus didn't have the Holy Spirit before
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: his baptism would be a mistake. Um, he's filled with
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the Spirit from the, the moment, you know, of his conception, really.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And the Gospel of Matthew makes that clear. The Gospel
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of Luke makes that clear, that which is born.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: The angel says to Mary, that which is born of
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you shall be called the Son of the Most High,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and you will conceive and, you know, bear a child.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: This Holy Spirit will come upon you. And so we
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: have that there. What happens at the baptism of Jesus
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: is the Spirit comes upon Him now in an empowering
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: way for the
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: For the fulfillment of the mission that God has sent
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: him on, because remember, it was at the baptism of
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Jesus that he really did enter now into the mission.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Up to that point, he's living in obscurity. Um, only
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Mary and a few, maybe a few people would even
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: know about his past and the, you know, the miraculous
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: things surrounding his birth and so forth. So, um, Jesus,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: when he arrives on the scene,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: And and God had told John.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: That the one on whom the Spirit descends and remains,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: he is the Messiah. So Jesus, the Spirit came upon
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: him partially as a, as a sign for John to
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: know that the Messiah had indeed come, and he was
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: now entering his ministry. So the, the, the baptism of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Jesus by John, which then included the Spirit descending upon him.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: That was the empowerment for the ministry that he was
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: now to embark on over the next 3+ years.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: All right, Phil, did you want to say anything?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I, I, I just throw a verse into there as well.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: John chapter 3, I love this verse, verse 34, for
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: he whom God sent, he's speaking about the Son Himself,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: speaks the words of God, for God does not give
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the Spirit by measure. In other words, the Son has
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the Spirit in full measure, um, not contingent upon his
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: baptism at all. This is, he has the Spirit, like Brian,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like Pastor Brian said.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: He always has the spirit. He is God the Son.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: He's never without the Spirit. And like you're saying, Phil,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: that the idea there is that everyone before and after
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: would have the Spirit by measure. So, you know, we,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the old, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit, but
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: it was not the fullness of the totality of the Spirit.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: But Jesus, he has a spirit without measure. So he
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: has the fullness of the Spirit.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Does that help, Pamela?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Let me bring her back on. Pamela, does that help?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: It does. Thank you. Do you think, I, I can't
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: imagine because he's God, but do you think Jesus was
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: surprised by me, me, I'm the one called? Or do
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you think he knew? And, and it just confirmed mostly
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to others, maybe not even to himself, like he already
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: knew. Yeah, well, remember when Jesus was a boy, when
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: he was 12 years old, he went.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, with his family up to Jerusalem for the feast,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and then as they were leaving, remember he stayed behind
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and they were worried about him, they were concerned because
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of days passed and they couldn't find him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And when they found him, they found him in the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: temple speaking with the doctors and the, you know, the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: rabbis and and all of that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: And remember the the words of Mary to him, you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: speaking to him, you know, your father and I were
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: so concerned about you. What, where have you been? Why,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: why did you do this? And he said, Didn't you
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: know that I should be about my father's business? Jesus
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: knew at 12 years old that he was God's, you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the one God sent into the world.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: His son.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I, I couldn't imagine, uh, Jesus not knowing,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and it just, I, I, I'm just so thankful.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I mean, you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Savior.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: So yes,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: thank you for answering my question.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: All right, and Pamela, you did a wonderful job from
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Menefee on, uh, that question on the air. You did great.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: You know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Phil, I don't know, you, you've probably read some different
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: authors too, but I, I've read.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Guys who
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, they, I, I mean, I think you have,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you have.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Two mistakes in
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: A perspective on Jesus. Sometimes we so focus on his
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: divinity that we lose sight of his humanity and we
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: forget that Jesus is a human being like like we are,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: except without sin. But then the other side of it
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: is you so emphasize his humanity.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: That and not, not denying his divinity, but emphasize I
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: think some have overemphasized his humanity. I've I've read authors
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: who said that Jesus probably felt that he was having
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: a mental breakdown at times, that he was kind of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: going through like a schizophrenia because of this emergence of
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the Gods, you know, the, the divinity within him and stuff.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I, I don't think so. You know, so.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we, we just have to be careful and not
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: go either direction too far. It's almost like it's so
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: hard to not too, right? It's like, so we're trying
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to be balanced, but you realize it's, man, that's a
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: tough one. But you're right, I've, I, I've read that too,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: where you have people that are too extreme on either side,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, but you're missing is humanity, or wait,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: you're missing is divinity. And, uh, yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Boy, heaven is gonna be quite the place when we
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: just grasp it all in its fullness. It's gonna be incredible.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I think we've got another deep question from, uh, Hannah
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: from Newport Beach. Hannah, go ahead. You're on Pastor's perspective.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Hi, um, yes, my question is I've decided to read
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the Bible cover to cover, um, and so thank you.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm in Judges now, but one of the very first
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: things that I came across that I didn't know how
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to feel about was Genesis 6:6, which says, um, the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Lord regretted that He made human beings on the earth
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I will.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Wipe them away and you know he regrets that he
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: made them and I'm struggling with the word regret because
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: at least in today's definition of regret, it's something that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you didn't see coming or a decision that you made
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: that was like potentially a mistake and through reading the Bible,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: obviously I'm getting a sense of God's personality, which is
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: really fun, but this has stumped me. I've looked at other.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Um, translations, and the only other translation that I've seen
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: was repented, and that's like very similar. So I just
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: didn't know how to feel about the word regret and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: like can God regret something and does he make mistakes
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and I don't believe that he does, but I just
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: didn't know how to feel about that and maybe you
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: guys had more of a perspective of what that means.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: All right, Phil, what would you say?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hannah, great question. Um, two things I want to
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: mention on this. The first one is the word regret,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: like we, it means something to us that it doesn't
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: mean when it's being used towards God. So the word
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: regret here for in Genesis 6 is more the idea
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: of like sorrow.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And it's not sorrow as in um like like um
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I made a mistake and now I need to fix
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: that mistake. It's just purely sorrow, profound disappointment. God is disappointed.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: He is, he is sad at the state of humanity.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: That's the same word in Hebrew that we would use
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: for sorrow. They would use, they use the word regret.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So that's the first point. The second point is connected
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: to that. The Bible.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Uses what we call, I think it's called anthropomorphisms, which
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: is the idea, and this is pretty common in scripture,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: where it's using human words to help us understand God.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: And this is one of those moments where, um, you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: God is genuinely emotional about the concept of like, I'm
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: sorrowful for what's happening, what's happened in humanity, but we
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: use the word regret differently than the way God uses
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: that word. So, it's used to help us to understand,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: but it's not in the same way that we do
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: understand it, if that makes sense. So, those two things,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: when the Bible uses the word regret for God, it's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the word, it's the idea of sorrow, he's sad about it,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: and it's used that way because it helps.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Us humans understand what that must have felt like for God.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: All right, Hannah, how about, how did that help you?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just to kind of round it out,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: do you think that
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: He
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Didn't see it coming.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he saw it coming, but I think the reality
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: of the, you know, the manifestation of it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Of course God sees everything coming because he knows everything,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: but as it's playing itself out in real time and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: all of the, you know, tragedy of it, it, it's uh.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: You know, it's, it's impacting God in this emotional way. And,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and like Phil said, the word, the word literally means
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to be sorry. That's the actual, that's the literal rendering
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: of the word. Regret is a
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: It's a translation that's allowable, uh, but you could argue
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: whether it's the best translation. Maybe it would have just
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: been better to just put it in English to be sorry.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: All right,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: does that help very much?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, it does. I appreciate it. Thank you.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Great. Yeah, thanks for calling and it's a great question.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So glad you're thinking about this stuff.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: That's
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: awesome.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thank you, Hannah from Newport Beach, uh, calling at
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 from Newport Beach to Hemmett we go and talk
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to Lemay. Lemay, welcome to the program.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate your call, um, taking this. Um,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: my question is, I've been tithing since I was a
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: teenager on everything, and now I'm 83 and on Social Security, uh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and tithing on it, but haven't I already tithed on
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: it once?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: That's a good question because it is money she's already
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: tithed on. So, uh, we're going to go to Pastor Brian.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: What do you say? What do you say to Lemay?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, you have, you've tithed on it already. So
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you need to do a double,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: a double tithe. But Lemay, what I would say too
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: is that tithing, uh, and then people will consider this controversial, um.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I, I don't believe that the New Testament requires tithing. Now,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: tithe means 1/10th, and I think it's fine to give 10th.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I think in some cases we should give more than 1/10.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Some people don't, you know, can give less than 1/10. Um,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: tithing is an Old Testament principle. We find it, um,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: in the Gospels because the gospels are still set historically
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: really in an Old Testament kind of mode of things. Um,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: but when we come to the letters,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: To the churches written by the apostles, whether it's Paul
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: or Peter or John or whoever it might be. Um,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: there's never any instruction on tithing.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: There is instruction on giving, and probably the best place
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: to find that is 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: where Paul talks pretty extensively about giving and he, he
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: kind of lays down these principles. Uh, and one of
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the principles is let each person give whatever they determine
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: in their own heart. So it starts with you making
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the determination on the amount you're going to give, and
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: then make sure you, you give it joyfully. And then
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: he reminds us, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Remember, God appreciates generosity. And so, but the idea that
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: there is a strict, every Christian must give 10%, I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: don't think that you can build a case from the
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: New Testament for that. Now, if you want to pull
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: from the Old Testament, which many people do, uh, that's how,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they come up dogmatically with that. So, I
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  Speaker 2: think just giving is something that we always wanna do
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  Speaker 2: because you can't outgive God. God is the giver.
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  Speaker 2: And I, you know, never wanna be stingy when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to giving to God because I know that, um,
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  Speaker 2: God's given me so much. So, but thinking about like
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  Speaker 2: I have to be very precise here and I've gotta
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  Speaker 2: make sure that I get my 10%, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that's something that you need to uh
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  Speaker 2: be concerned about.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Phil, did you want to do something?
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  Speaker 2: Just, thank you for your faithfulness for so many years.
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  Speaker 2: That's really, really, really beautiful and amazing, and I just
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  Speaker 2: wholeheartedly agree with what Pastor Brian said. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's any, there's never been a hard and fast rule.
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  Speaker 2: It's always been about what's God doing in our hearts,
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  Speaker 2: and you've lived a life of incredible generosity. I would say, um,
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  Speaker 2: finish well, but that doesn't mean you have to be tithing,
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  Speaker 2: just finish well with the kind of person you've already
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  Speaker 2: been and let God just keep showing you what that
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  Speaker 2: looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Keep the money if you're supposed to keep the money.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do whatever you're supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: Lemay, what do you say?
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  Speaker 1: Let me, what do you say to that? No, I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that, um, because I just always had that question
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  Speaker 1: mark in my brain, and it finally, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, I heard the tithing me mark earlier, bless
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  Speaker 1: that little lady.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and I thought, you know, I gotta ask this sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: and so I was just curious.
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  Speaker 2: Well,
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  Speaker 1: but no, I love the Lord. I'm not gonna rob God,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to be generous, but still, Social Security
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  Speaker 1: isn't a whole lot to live on. OK, thank you, folks.
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  Speaker 2: All right,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for calling. Thank you for calling. We really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny that, you know, because I've talked
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  Speaker 2: to many people so many times like, am I supposed
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  Speaker 2: to tithe on my net or my gross, and people,
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  Speaker 2: people get all
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  Speaker 2: You know, just stressed out about it. And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, God, God's not stressing out about that. Just
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  Speaker 2: give and give generously and trust God, you know, it'll
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  Speaker 2: be OK.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. Well, Lemay from Hemmett, thank you for calling
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  Speaker 1: us on Pastor's Perspective today. Uh, some of you are
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: on hold. If you're on hold right now, you get
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: a pass for tomorrow. You can talk to Brian Perez and, uh,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the pastors and get your questions answered. We do appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you calling. Um, I'm, uh, Michael David in for Brian Perez,
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  Speaker 1: for Pastor Brian Broderson and Pastor Phil Metzger. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining us today, and we will see you next
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  Speaker 1: time on Pastor's Perspective. Bye-bye.