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The Late Debate | 17 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lateens General. Welcome to the Late Blade. Well, good evening
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  Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Bizarre scenes at a wedding in Kenya as a man
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  Speaker 2: grabs onto a helicopter taking off with the bride and
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  Speaker 2: the groom.
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  Speaker 1: We'll show you that a little later.
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  Speaker 2: Plus when we look at the papers, householders set for
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  Speaker 2: another power price rise, and new research suggests air quality
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  Speaker 2: may affect women's chances of getting pregnant via iv Airfall
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  Speaker 2: of that a little later. We want to start the
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  Speaker 2: show tonight with fascinating new research that shows young men
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  Speaker 2: in this country are becoming more traditional, particularly as it
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  Speaker 2: pertains to gender roles. Research has found Australian males aged
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  Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty four hold more traditional beliefs about gender
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  Speaker 2: roles than any other age group apart from men over
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  Speaker 2: the age of sixty five. The research shows that while
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  Speaker 2: the popular generally is becoming more progressive, young men think
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  Speaker 2: women make the best primary caregivers for children and men
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  Speaker 2: should take responsibility as the primary breadwinners in the home now.
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  Speaker 2: The researchers have postulated the number of reasons why fifteen
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  Speaker 2: to twenty four year old males may be becoming more
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  Speaker 2: traditional in their outlooks. Some have said social media, it's
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  Speaker 2: the influence of Andrew Tait.
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  Speaker 1: Others have suggested it.
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  Speaker 2: Don't make us love Andrew Tay, a backlash against feminism,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe it's just economic realities.
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  Speaker 1: I've got some thoughts. But Lizen Caleb, how about it?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I love this. I love this. There is vote for
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  Speaker 3: the future, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 4: If men is young are waking up to the fact
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  Speaker 4: that this is the kind of life they foresee for
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  Speaker 4: themselves and they want, then there.
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  Speaker 3: Is vope for the future.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, Now what you have to do, young men,
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  Speaker 4: is ensure that you don't faf your youth away because
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  Speaker 4: if you want to stay at home wife, and I
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  Speaker 4: know men any women who would love to live that life,
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  Speaker 4: If you want that, you've got to be.
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  Speaker 3: Able to afford it.
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  Speaker 4: Because it boggles my mind the amount of men these days,
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  Speaker 4: and I know we've normalized this.
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  Speaker 3: The question is is it a good thing?
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  Speaker 4: The amount of men these days who whife or woman
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  Speaker 4: only to send her off to work for another man
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  Speaker 4: while a stranger another woman who is a stranger raises
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  Speaker 4: their children. It makes absolutely no sense to me. But
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  Speaker 4: of course there are many households who simply can't afford
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  Speaker 4: to be single income households. But if you want to
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  Speaker 4: be countercultural in today's society, you marry relatively young, like
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  Speaker 4: our parents did mom, where my mom and dad were
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  Speaker 4: twenty and twenty one when they got married, started having
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  Speaker 4: kids straight away.
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  Speaker 3: That's why there's seven of us.
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  Speaker 4: My mom decided it was the best thing since LIC's bread.
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  Speaker 4: And I genuinely believe, despite all the feminism trash that
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  Speaker 4: women are fed these days. If from a young age
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  Speaker 4: they get married because a man comes along and says, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I want to be a protective provider in your life,
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  Speaker 4: that will all go out the window. Homegirl returns to
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  Speaker 4: factory settings when the right man comes along, let me
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  Speaker 4: tell you she is more than happy to play that role.
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  Speaker 4: And then yeah, he's got to be able to afford that,
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  Speaker 4: he's got to be able to afford the children, etcetera,
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  Speaker 4: and so on. Currently in today's society, we're just not
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  Speaker 4: seeing that. Back in the fifties and so on, it
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  Speaker 4: was perfectly normal for a single income obviously the man's
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  Speaker 4: income to be able to pay for a very comfortable
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  Speaker 4: house in the suburbs, kids go to school, wife stays
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  Speaker 4: at home, raises the children, cooks, et cetera, et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: and so on, and the vast majority of people were
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  Speaker 4: very happy with that status quo before pile of feminists
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  Speaker 4: burnt their bras and decided it was oppression.
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  Speaker 5: I'll come back to the economics of it in a minute,
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  Speaker 5: because I do think that's very interesting point, and it
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  Speaker 5: counts for women as well as men when you look
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  Speaker 5: at this data. But I think as to why it
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  Speaker 5: is specifically boys between the age of fifteen and twenty
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  Speaker 5: four who seem to be having the upticker, I think
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  Speaker 5: we've reached that pressure point now where boys have been
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  Speaker 5: demonized and men have been demonized so much that you've
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  Speaker 5: finally got a group turning around and saying, actually, I
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  Speaker 5: just don't want to cop this anymore. They feel left
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  Speaker 5: out to see as though they don't really have a
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  Speaker 5: role in the world anymore. That masculinity, as we all know,
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  Speaker 5: masculinity has been demonized, and so they're not really sure
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  Speaker 5: where they fit in the world, and they're looking at
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  Speaker 5: a time when men didn't know where they fit in
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  Speaker 5: the world and had a place to contribute to the world,
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  Speaker 5: and they're saying, well, I want to be able to
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  Speaker 5: contribute to the world, and so it's only natural that
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  Speaker 5: they would say, well, yeah, I mean, the world looked
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  Speaker 5: like a much better place when we had traditional gender roles.
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  Speaker 5: And the economics of it, because if you look at
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  Speaker 5: the data, and if you bring up the graphic for
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  Speaker 5: what women believe, because I think this is quite interesting,
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  Speaker 5: you'll see an uptick there as well in women aged
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  Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty four. It's not as stark as the
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  Speaker 5: uptick in boys, but there is still an uptick the
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  Speaker 5: only age group of women who have had an uptick
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  Speaker 5: in the belief in traditional gender roles. And I think
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  Speaker 5: the economics of this is that young people in particular
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  Speaker 5: are starving to realize that they have been sold a coon,
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  Speaker 5: both boys and girls are realizing the idea that women
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  Speaker 5: can have it all just isn't true. You look at
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  Speaker 5: the first generation that probably will never own a home
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  Speaker 5: unless their parents give them a leg up, or their
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  Speaker 5: parents die and they inherit the house. So the circumstances
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  Speaker 5: in which they would traditionally create a family are fast
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  Speaker 5: disappearing from them, and so they're looking at all of
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  Speaker 5: this and going, well, the world that I thought i'd
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  Speaker 5: be able to have, the one that my parents had,
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  Speaker 5: just doesn't exist. So what can we do to try
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  Speaker 5: and get back to it. I mean, you talk about
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  Speaker 5: having a one income household in Sydney today. If you
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  Speaker 5: want to be able to live, you need an income,
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  Speaker 5: a household income for a two person, you know, mum
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  Speaker 5: and dad and two kids of three hundred grand just
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  Speaker 5: to live, to service an average mortgage and all your
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  Speaker 5: other experience three hundred grand. That's why you don't have
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  Speaker 5: just dad going to work and mum at home anymore,
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  Speaker 5: because no one can bloody afford it. And I think
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  Speaker 5: young women and young men are looking at this and
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  Speaker 5: saying this is not the world I want to live.
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  Speaker 2: I think in addition to that, they're not just looking
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  Speaker 2: at the economics, they're looking at their own experience. These
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  Speaker 2: are young people aged fifteen to twenty four. Seven of
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  Speaker 2: the questions that were asked out Of those seven, four
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  Speaker 2: of them were quite specific. Do they believe that it's
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  Speaker 2: better for a woman to take care of the children
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  Speaker 2: rather than the man? Do children do just as well
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  Speaker 2: if cared for by dad? As by mum. Should mums
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  Speaker 2: who don't need to work still go and work anyway,
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  Speaker 2: or should they be at home with the kids? And
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  Speaker 2: can a working mum have a relationship with kids just
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  Speaker 2: as good.
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  Speaker 1: As a mum who's at home.
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  Speaker 2: And clearly these younger people have answered in favor of
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  Speaker 2: mums being at home because that would be their experience.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't had a mum at home a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: And clearly those boys are saying we want that or
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  Speaker 2: would have preferred it. And interestingly, girls, increasingly, younger girls
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  Speaker 2: are saying we would actually like to be stay at
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  Speaker 2: home mums, which is a.
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  Speaker 1: Rejection of the idea you can go out work have
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  Speaker 1: it all.
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  Speaker 2: They've experienced a lack of mum at home and they
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  Speaker 2: don't want that for their kids.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, and also many women discover very soon after
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  Speaker 4: entering the workforce, I don't want to do this till
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  Speaker 4: the day I die. I am utterly exhausted. And this
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  Speaker 4: all stems back to our avid denial these days of
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  Speaker 4: the differences between men and women. We are not built
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  Speaker 4: the same externally or internally, and we just don't want
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  Speaker 4: the same things.
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  Speaker 3: We see this particularly.
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  Speaker 4: In Sweden, where they've been over backwards to get equity
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  Speaker 4: in the workforce. And guess what, women still made your
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  Speaker 4: traditional women choices and the men still made traditional male choices.
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  Speaker 4: To the UK now where you heard last night the
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  Speaker 4: UK Supreme Court has ruled that only biological women are
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  Speaker 4: women before the law. This was a huge victory for
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  Speaker 4: common sense in that part of the world.
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  Speaker 3: And JK.
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  Speaker 4: Rowling, who we know was a avid defender of women's
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  Speaker 4: rights and has been written off by her enemies as
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  Speaker 4: a trans exclusionary radical feminist. She took to Twitter to
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  Speaker 4: celebrate this win. She said, it took three extraordinary, tenacious
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  Speaker 4: Scottish women with an army behind them to get this
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  Speaker 4: case heard by the Supreme Court, and in winning they've
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  Speaker 4: protected the rights of women and girls across the UK.
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  Speaker 4: For Women's Scotland, she said, I'm so proud to know you.
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  Speaker 4: One of for Women's Scotland co director, her name is
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  Speaker 4: Susan Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Here she was celebrating outside court yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: We were in a really difficult place in Scotland. Then
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  Speaker 6: we thought we were going to see rights for women
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  Speaker 6: rolled back, and today the judges have said what we
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  Speaker 6: always believed to be the case that women are protected
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  Speaker 6: by their biological sex, that sex is real, and that
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  Speaker 6: women can now feel faith.
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  Speaker 4: Who would have thought we'd live to see the day
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  Speaker 4: we'd be cheering so loudly for such a statement of
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  Speaker 4: abject truth from a Supreme court. But here we are,
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  Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, And you'd think, given the strong stance
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  Speaker 4: their President Trump's administration has taken since making it to
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  Speaker 4: the White House on all these DEI issues, and women
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  Speaker 4: being women, and trans people no longer being fit for
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  Speaker 4: military service in their humble estimation, so on and so forth,
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  Speaker 4: you'd hope that we'd start to see a bit of
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  Speaker 4: that from our political leaders here in Australia. But this
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  Speaker 4: is what Peter Dutton had to say today when he
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  Speaker 4: was asked about yesterday's win in the UK.
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  Speaker 7: The British Upraine Court yesterday has ruled that a woman
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  Speaker 7: is defined as a biological female and not someone who
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  Speaker 7: identifies as a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's the right call? And in light
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  Speaker 1: of this ruling, one is your definition of the woman?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's a matter.
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  Speaker 7: Obviously it's been before the British courts. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 7: the detail of the case and it's not something that's
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  Speaker 7: I think in front of minds at this election. I
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  Speaker 7: think this election in Australia is about who do you
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  Speaker 7: trust to manage the economy and to keep inflation down?
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  Speaker 3: Dodge, weave and deflect.
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  Speaker 4: What a pathetic illustration of cowardice that was from Peter
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  Speaker 4: Dutton today.
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  Speaker 3: I got to say, I am so disappointed.
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  Speaker 5: It should be the easiest question to answer, ar I mean,
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  Speaker 5: for goodness sake, it was answered in the movie Kindergarten
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  Speaker 5: Kop Boys have a penist, girls half of that China.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for the tip biological facts from a four year old.
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  Speaker 5: And don't forget that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi once
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  Speaker 5: sat in front of Peters Morgan and was asked the
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  Speaker 5: question what is a woman? And he managed to say
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  Speaker 5: an adult human female. So even Anthony Albanesi can define
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  Speaker 5: a woman in front of the cameras and Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 5: refuses to do so. I think this business about Dutton
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  Speaker 5: being scared of being linked to Donald Trump, because we
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  Speaker 5: know that the alp in certain sections of the media
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  Speaker 5: have been trying to pin that on him. I think
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  Speaker 5: his fear of that now has gone way too far.
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  Speaker 5: We've seen a number of examples of that this week.
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  Speaker 5: One was on the lead debate the other night last night,
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  Speaker 5: where he was asked whether he trusts Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 5: he said, well, I've never met the guy, and then
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  Speaker 5: refused to answer the question. Meanwhile, Albow says, course I
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  Speaker 5: trust him. I mean, for goodness sake, it should be
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  Speaker 5: the easiest question to answer. And again easy question to answer.
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  Speaker 5: What is a woman a biological woman? I mean, how
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  Speaker 5: hard is it to answer that? But he's so afraid
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  Speaker 5: of that little sound being picked up by someone and
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  Speaker 5: taken off somewhere else, And he's afraid of the moderates
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  Speaker 5: in his own party turning around and saying, well, it's
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  Speaker 5: your fault that we lost the election because you stood
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  Speaker 5: up on the fifteenth of April or whatever it is today,
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  Speaker 5: sixteenth of April and said that, you know, women are
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  Speaker 5: biological females. I mean, for goodness sake, just nail your
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  Speaker 5: colors to the mast, be honest, because even if people
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  Speaker 5: don't always agree with you, people like and trust politicians
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  Speaker 5: that they feel like a being upfront with death. No
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  Speaker 5: one likes politicians that dark and weave and refuse to
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  Speaker 5: be on If Peter Dutton says this is what I think,
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  Speaker 5: even those who don't agree will begrudgingly say well, at
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  Speaker 5: least the blokes telling us what he thinks.
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  Speaker 2: And the only good thing about that is he at
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  Speaker 2: least didn't reprise his line from the debate last night
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  Speaker 2: and say well, I'm not a scientist or a biologist
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  Speaker 2: when asked for Duntan to say, well, it's a matter
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  Speaker 2: for the British courts. I mean you've got Kirily Smith,
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  Speaker 2: who was facing court this week, I believe because she
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  Speaker 2: dared to point out that a biological man was playing
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  Speaker 2: soccer against girls. She's in court. So it's not just
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  Speaker 2: a matter for British courts. You've got people in this
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  Speaker 2: country who are facing courts and tribunals over this issue
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  Speaker 2: of what is a woman? For him to say well,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the details, I mean, as you pointed
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  Speaker 2: out Caleb with Kindergarten cop, the details are pretty clear.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need to read the British judgment to be
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  Speaker 2: able to say what is a woman. But he missed
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  Speaker 2: an incredible opportunity here. I mean, you've got transgendered ideology
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  Speaker 2: ruining people's lives, making a mockery of women's rights.
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  Speaker 1: Our country look ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: And if Peter Dutton could have just answered simply, a
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  Speaker 2: woman as a woman, a man is a man. Sex
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  Speaker 2: is binary, it's a fixed biological thing. And then he
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  Speaker 2: could have added, why would you ever trust the Labor
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  Speaker 2: Party who have instituted right around the country self identification laws.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you trust the Greens when they lie to
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  Speaker 2: you about what a woman is? Why would you believe
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  Speaker 2: any promises they make?
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is the.
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  Speaker 2: Problem with Dutton. If he doesn't have the courage to
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  Speaker 2: say what a woman is, why would conservatives who are
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  Speaker 2: very worried about the future direction of our country believe
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  Speaker 2: he's got the courage to make the big calls that
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  Speaker 2: need to be made in.
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  Speaker 1: Order to get our country.
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  Speaker 2: And i'll quote Peter Dutton back on track exactly.
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  Speaker 5: I just how can you not just answer the question
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  Speaker 5: unless you're afraid? Why would you not answer the question?
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  Speaker 5: And I come back to the point. Every time this
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  Speaker 5: is brought up, people say, oh, well, you know he's
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  Speaker 5: not going to win the election on it anyway, And
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  Speaker 5: that may well be true, But is it not just
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  Speaker 5: a matter of fear aness to say in these matters?
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  Speaker 5: And we're a country that believes in the fair go
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  Speaker 5: that increasingly women's sport is gaining profile and young girls
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  Speaker 5: across the country are playing sport in greater numbers than
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  Speaker 5: they've ever played it, and that's a great thing. It's
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  Speaker 5: good to see them out playing sport and participating. We
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  Speaker 5: dream of a time when one day they will be
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  Speaker 5: on the same pedestal and the same grounds as the men, etc.
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  Speaker 5: And in order to do that, they should be protected
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  Speaker 5: from having biological males on the football. And how hard
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  Speaker 5: is it to make that argument.
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  Speaker 2: Gwyn Hanson is doing so well and why her numbers
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  Speaker 2: are rising. It's rubbish like that from the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the coalition that's driving people towards Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 4: Indeed, and the bottom line is this is not the
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  Speaker 4: behavior of a leader. You're asked, oh do you trust
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trumba or I've never met him? Asked about climate
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  Speaker 4: change last night during the leaders of well, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: a scientist. We know you're not a scientist. We asked
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  Speaker 4: you for where you stand on this particular topic. Nobody
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  Speaker 4: wants to vote for a fence sitter because either you
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  Speaker 4: don't have an opinion on what is a very important
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  Speaker 4: whether it's Trump, whether it's climate change, whether it's what
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  Speaker 4: is a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to vote for a fence sitter. Either you
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  Speaker 3: don't have.
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  Speaker 4: An opinion, which would be very alarming indeed, or you
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  Speaker 4: do and you're being like you said, Caleb, you're being dishonest.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, you sit on the fence, you
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  Speaker 5: get splinters in your bum and you know what else
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  Speaker 5: comes out your bum? Gas? And that may well be
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  Speaker 5: exactly where this policy came. What I know, it's one
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  Speaker 5: of my best. Look, it's a Thursday night before Easter.
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  Speaker 5: I figure I've got to run some good lines on
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  Speaker 5: you at home. I know. I mean, I've only got
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  Speaker 5: coke in this cup here. I wish there's some bourbon
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  Speaker 5: or something to go in it. But I'm sure you're
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  Speaker 5: sitting back with a nice sniffer of brandy or a
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  Speaker 5: glass of red or something. And you chuckled away at that.
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  Speaker 5: But their gas plan, which Dutton unveiled in his budget
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  Speaker 5: in reply speech to make sure that we have gas
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  Speaker 5: available locally in Australia, which is a good aim. I'm
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  Speaker 5: totally on board with what he wants to do. But
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  Speaker 5: what he said was they would put a levy on
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  Speaker 5: liquid natural gas exports overseas over and above the contracts
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  Speaker 5: that already exist, and the idea is that that would
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  Speaker 5: then force them to flood the local market on the
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  Speaker 5: East Coast with gas instead of selling it overseas, because
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  Speaker 5: there would be a financial impost if they decided to
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  Speaker 5: do so. There's only one problem though, and Toomey, who
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: is one of the most prominent constitutional experts in the country,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: has pointed out this law if the Coalition becomes government
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: may well never come into being, and if it does,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: we'll get tied up with gas companies in the High
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Court because it's probably unconstitutional, she says in the City
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Morning Herald. In the age today, it looks and smells
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: and sounds like a tax because it is Section fifty one.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: This is the age now of Australia's constitution, they say
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: forbids commonwealth taxes that discriminate between states or parts of states.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: The inherent problem with the Coalition's proposal, to me, said,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: was that it applied solely to the Eastern Australian gas
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: market and would not be imposed on the liquid natural
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: gas industry in Western Australia, where the state government already
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: has a fifteen percent gas reservation rule in place. She
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: said quote. If it's a tax, then it's a tax
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: that doesn't apply across the whole of Australia, which would
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: make it unconstitutional and if they tried to do it
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: would no doubt end up in the court and quite
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: possibly be thrown out. I mean, in almost just rieks
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: of policy on the run, I love the objective. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: totally agree that we should be keeping our gas in
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: this country for ourselves, and Western Australia is smart enough
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: to do that and they have done for some time.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: They guarantee that they have local supply of gas in
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: their state because of course the state can levy its
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: own taxes and doesn't have to worry about the rest
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: of the country. But as it stands, the Constitution of Australia,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: the Federal Constitution, says that you can't have different taxes
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: applied by the federal government in different states. It would
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: seem like a pretty open and hutcase to me.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton starting to make Anthony Albanezy look like a
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: man who's across the detail. This is just sloppy from
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: the Coalition to have such an important policy, and the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: idea is right, but the fact that they hadn't figured out.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Hang on a second, This is not constitutional. Is just
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: sloppy and a little bit symptomatic of what we've seen
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: over the last number of weeks. We've talked about the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: debate ad nauseum. They should have anticipated the Trump question,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: they should have anticipated the climate change question, and surely
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: when they woke up this morning they should have anticipated
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the what is a woman question? On top of that,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: they rolled out Harry Dutton, who did pretty well.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But why rolled him out so late?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to soften Dutton's image, get the family
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: out there at the start. The indexation idea of regarding
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the tax system. Put that out as a big vision
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the campaign, because one of the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: criticisms has been that Dutton is just more of late
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: there's no big thinking. Well, the indexation of tax was
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: a great idea.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Put it out at the front.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: He can't do it immediately, but that enables him to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: attack the Labor Party for having gotten the budget into
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: such a bad position. All of those things could have
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: been done, but this is just another example where they
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: feel a little underprepared for an election we all knew
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: was coming and.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: This would have been so easy to sell in Australia.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: We export eighty percent of our gas. That's a hell
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: of a lot of gas.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And our gas.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Companies have been taking the mick for a very long time.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: According to the Australian Institute, they literally made zero royalties
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: on over half of that gas, fifty six percent to
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: be precise. So this is just great times for them.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: The government makes no revenue off it. So he's done
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and saying okay, let's make assistance whereby we keep more
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: gas in the country and we make more money off
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: our own resources. What a revolutionary idea. But it turns
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: out the law you want to make isn't even lawful.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: How embarrassing.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: If you've done it right, this is the easiest thing
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: to sell to the Australian people now.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: At the moment, gas.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Export volumes are expected to be maintained at eighty million
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: tons per year.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Till twenty thirty.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: It's expected to sell for three hundred and three billion
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: dollars up to twenty thirty. Now at the moment, fifty
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: six percent being one hundred and seventy billion.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Dollars is basically for free.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: The gas companies get to laugh all the way to
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the bank. It's unlikely to pay any petroleum tax. Even
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: so this would end to an extent the gas industry's
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: free ride by putting these levies and saying no, no,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you have to pay these, and we're keeping more in
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the country, thanks very much.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: When you look at the.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Fact that Katar who has free education, free medical everything
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: if you need, it's basically medicare, but not even an
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: upfront fee. They've got heavily subsidized housing. There's no income tax,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: there's no property tax, there's no inheritance tax.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: And you look.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: At a country like that and say, how earth are
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: you guys able to afford this? Well, they're a massive
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: gas exporter and they afford this because they charge the
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: gas companies. So while the Australian government pockets just two
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: point six billion in revenue, they pocket seventy six billion
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: in revenue and we overtook them in twenty twenty as
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: the biggest gas exporters.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: In the world. So here we are.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: We could have our streets paved with goal if only
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: we managed our resources properly. The government has obviously rubber
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: stamped this like I say, it's in place till twenty thirty.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: DUTs has come.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Up with a great eye, dear, but absolutely turned it
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: into a burning dumpster fire overnight with such a crappy
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: way of selling it, which isn't even constitutional.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Katara, and some people might like to
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: get out of Australia and go to a better country.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I was overseas last week, but I'll tell you what.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: The rigmarole of getting through an airport these days is
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: enough to give you conniptions. You've got to find your
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: boarding passes, then you've got to and check in. You've
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: got to get through immigration, through customs, present your passport
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: if you can find your passport, if you're in the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: right passport line, and on and on it goes. But
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the United Nations are now saying that within the next
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: three to five years all of that could be gone
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: because of facial recognition.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Here's what they're planning.
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: International Civil Aviation Organization, the United Nations body that oversees
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: aviation policy, is overhaulingdak it's old check and procedures and
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: introducing a digital travel credential. According to the UK Times,
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: biometric data will power what is being called a journey pass,
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: which is issued digitally when a flight is booked. The
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: pass will contain passport details and automatically update if any
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: booking changes are made. Upon arriving to the airport, a
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: passenger space will be scanned, allowing them to move through
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: security without needing to show a passport or phone.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So essentially, you get out of your car at the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: curb in the airport and you walk straight to the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: gate and onto the plane without any paperwork at all.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It's brilliant, it's convenient, it's efficient, and I am guaranteeing
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: that both Liz and Caleb are going to be against this.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Pa. You hate it already.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I hate it. Oh, the United Nations is behind it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Mac, well, certainly nothing the fairy it's going on here?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Liz?
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sign me obviously, United Nations idea.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Love it, love it, do me a favor.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: People don't understand how valuable whre biometrics.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Is, so we just go, oh, convenience.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: How many times do you give up your privacy for convenience?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: We all carry it around.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: With our pockets with us twenty four to seven.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: They are loving this.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: We give them so much data as it is, but
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: your biometrics are a different kettle of fish entirely, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: the fact that you're trying to tell me, Oh, it's
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: so inconvenient to have a passport, isn't it inconvenient? No,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: it's worked for decades. I just got back from London
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: less than a month ago. It was not inconvenient at
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: all to present my passport at the relevant desk.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And then you still sail on to the plane.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: No harm, no foul, don't take my biometrics, thank you
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: very much, which actually happened in Heathrow because they're using
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: it already. And there I was like a stunned mullet, being.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Like, I know what this is. I need to give
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: into England. I can't do much about it now.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Well you have seened around and gone to Australia in protest, utterly.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Ropeable because who voted for this? Did we ask? The
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: citizens of the world? By the way, because you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: we keep data so secure these days, do you mind
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: if we take your biometrics on mass and make it
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: impossible for you to travel anywhere without us doing so.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: We won't tell you what we're going to do with it,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: or where we store it or any of those details.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: But hey, now you don't have to carry around your passport.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Wasn't that so onerous. No, it wasn't ownerous at all.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: You won't have to do anything soon because you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: I and facial recognition all generaly.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, we can pontificate all we want, but it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: This is not going on.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: So let's just lay down and pay che mass.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Well, they're just doing it to us.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: They're just doing it much want people, if they were asked,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: would be like, no, thanks very much. I have the
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: documents that verify my identity. They've done perfectly well, unless
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: you have some sort of suspicion that I'm a criminal
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: or something, in which case you lose rights when you're
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: a crim or if you've got a criminal past.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Biometrics as much.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: As you like those guys, but the rest of us
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: leave us the heck alone. We owe you nothing, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: certainly not our biometrics.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Oh it's for safety.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Oh it's a safety. Where have we heard that before?
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Every time they want to for is something on you
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: that trashes your rights to privacy to the extent of
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: your own biometric data, they don't care.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: And already in the tube in London where they were
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: trialing facial recognition, they were using it to detect people's
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: emotions the point.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, but let me take that up right. So that
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: was wrong. But isn't the point that they were.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: They won't use this in an afarious way.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: They were using it in an nefarious way.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: The point is they were picked up on it, they
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: were told to correct it, and they did so. Rather
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: than just get all upset that this is the way
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the world is going will go anyway, wouldn't we be
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: better to put our energy into demanding more stringent controls,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: more stringent security, recognizing you're not going to stop the technology.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Like this.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Regardless.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Just make the road to hell a little safer, That's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: what I'm.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: You could make the road to hell a little safer
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: by dropping all the speed livers to zero as well.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, is it really that onerous
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: to deal with a piece of paper?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I just don't kept losing the building pass, Well, that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: your problem.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: It's just tie.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: So we have to give it up for your convenience appreciation.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Slowly, you slowly hand over your liberties in the name
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: of safety, until you wake up one day and you
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: have no liberties at all. We do it because we
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: think we're doing the right thing for the world. Until
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: we discover that we haven't speaking of trying to do
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the right thing for the world, or at least that's
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: what this bloke has in his head to justify all
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: of this business. You might have heard of this boat before.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Jordan Vandon Lamb. He goes online by the name of
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: per Pingers. He's running for the Victorian Socialists in the
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Senate of course, down in the Socialist Republic of Victoria
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: in the federal election. He started this thing and we
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: talked about it when he started doing it last year,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: where he was getting his followers on social media to
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: send in addresses of homes properties that they believed to
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: be vacant, and he was then publishing those addresses online
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: and essentially telling people to go and scot in them.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: He was saying, look, there is some free property he
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: got nowhere to live, Just go and bung yourself in
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: there because no one else is using it. Well, we've
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: now seen the consequences of all of this, and yes
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: it is only one case, but you only really need
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: one case to prove how just dead in the head,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: this Jordan Feller is one poor woman. And this was
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: originally reported by the ABC earlier in the week her
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: father died and the property that he lived in he
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: left to her. Now her mother had been living in
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: there for a while. She eventually got too sick to
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: be able to live on her own anymore, so she
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: moved elsewhere. And this woman doesn't have a great deal
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: of money, so her ultimate aim was to be able
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: to move into the house that her father had left her.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't in great condition, so over quite some
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: time she had been saving up money to do work
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: on it. She'd go back around every few weeks or
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: so to spend the night there and to check on
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: it and to make sure it was okay. She owns
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: this property, it's not abandoned. Her objective was to move
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: into it, and she was slowly gathering the money to
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: do the repairs that needed to be done so she
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: could live it well. In the meantime, this address of
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: this property was posted online by mister Vanden Lamb and
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: someone rocked up to the property, changed the locks, put
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: a heater on the side of the house, and most shockingly,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: removed all of her father's belongings from the home. She
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: explained this to the project.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Last night, I tried my key and it didn't open,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: and then I realized there was a blind in one
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: room that I never put down.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: And that there was a security camera over the.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Garage, not mine.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: My heart was in my throat and I was panicking.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Her home had been broken into, the locks changed, Carol's
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: belongings cleared out by strangers.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Now sadly, in the end, her insurance company refused to
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: pay her out, so she's effectively lost seventy thousand dollars
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: in this. Her dead father's home was broken into and
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: taken over by thugs who thought they could either squat
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: or steal the property, and mister Vanden Lamb told the
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: ABC that he would consider giving her apology. I mean,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: that is pathetic. He was also on the project last night.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Do you then check up to see what's happened to
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: that house?
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: Generally, so the addresses that I post are different to
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: the ones that I pass on privately. Yeah, the addresses
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: that I post are generally the ones that I personally
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: think no one would live in because I probably wouldn't
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: live there.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And then more to kind of draw attention.
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: To the fact that hey, these places exist, they're near you,
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: they're your neighbors. Your neighbors are leaving houses empty.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Ah, good on you, mate. You are an unmitigated scum
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: bag who was not fit for public office. You are
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: encouraging people to break into other people's homes. And he
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: have a poor woman who hasn't doesn't have a great
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: deal of money, who's had her father's belongings and personal
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: things that I'm sure she wanted to hang on to,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: including a beautiful radio by the way, and some of
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: you at home will know how much I love my
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: old radios. But lovely furniture that has sentimental meaning was
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: stolen by someone because he put the address online and
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: said he is a property to go and live in, disgraceful.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: He's a vigilante encouraging people to break the law. And
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the way he gets around it is he says, well, technically,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you're only trespassing if you're caught out and then don't leave.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: So he's clearly encouraging people to do the wrong thing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And his argument that well the house was empty, that
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: may be true, but there's a greater truth, and that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: is that the house belongs to somebody.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Else, not you.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: For him to run for the Socialist Party in Victoria,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: his policies because he said, well, if you're elected on
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the project. They said, if you're elected, surely you won't
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: continue encouraging this kind of behavior.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: You could change policies.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And his policies were the government becomes a builder and
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: builds a million homes in ten years.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: You can imagine if they were successful, what that would
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I've been to Eastern Europe when it was under communists control.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: He said that we should have the government controlling rents.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: That'd be a great idea. And then he's also suggesting
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: an audit of every empty home in the country, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: then the government would have the power to redistribute any
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: homes that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Were empty to those who were in need.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Good luck getting people's vote, buddy, Why doesn't he just.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Vote for the Greens, I mean run for the Greens.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: It seems like, just as good AF.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Fairs, they're not pure enough. They're not pure enough least, I.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Mean, he's more ex dream no the socialist socialists or bust. Well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the University of Technology in Queensland is blowing the whistle
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: on phantom foreign students. These guys get a student visa
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: with working privileges and then either don't show up to
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: UNI or drop out. Just a few weeks in we
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: read in The Australian Today phantom students have been exposed
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: by the Queensland University of Technology, which revealed nearly half
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: its foreign students had dropped out of their first year
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: of study.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Quote.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: The retention rate for international students dropped to an unusual
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: and historic low of fifty three point six percent because
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: of an unusually high number of students who did not
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: meaningfully engage from the outset its states in its twenty
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: twenty four annual report. Of course, this is a hot
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: topic coming up to the election, with the Libs promising
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: they're going to back down and introduce international student caps
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and all the rest of it, while Labor seems to
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: think that there's nothing to see here whatsoever. But here
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: we have foreign students, quite a large number of them.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: If you can believe that figure of fifty three point
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: six percent at this one university, it makes you wonder
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: how high it is at other universities across Australia. These
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: students who obviously are just doing it for the visa,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: and once they get the visa, AH never intended to
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: go to UNI anyway.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Mid you're not that surprised about fifty percent of foreign
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: students dropping out of QUT. I mean that is very
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: woke university. I reckon i'd drop out as well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: But that's why.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: If that's the dropout.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Rate at QUT, imagine what private colleges, those smaller institutions.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: What their dropout rate would be.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: If you come to Australia to study and you fail
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to show up to classes and you decide you want
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to change courses or whatever, there should be no riggle room.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: You go back to where you came from. You here
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to study the course you enrolled in. You either do
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: that or you get home. And by the way, your
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: ability to speak English and to read English should be
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a lot higher than it currently is by reports from
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: those who have to share lecture rooms with foreign students
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: where the course is dumb down because unis are trying
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: to cash in on foreigners.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Indeed, and if that doesn't work, just very quickly before
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: we get to the break, just be a criminal, because
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: over in the UK that seems to give you a
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: free pass. Another one. We've told you so many of
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: these cases, but another one that just come out in
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: the last couple of days. A Somali criminal who tried
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: to go to the UK and claim asylum is not
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: an asylum seeker, but now he has avoided deportation because
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: the poor blowke has mental health issues. It says in
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: the reports in The Telegraph that the court found that
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: the unnamed asylum seeker who's been dependent on alcohol since
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: two thousand and six, so poor blokes and alcoholic, would
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: suffer stress if deported to his homeland, which would worsen
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: his mental health. Judges in the Upper Immigration Tribunal ruled
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: that this would amount to a breach of Article three
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: of the European Convention of Human Rights, which protects against
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: persecution and in humane treatment. The if being a forest
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: student doesn't do it, just be a crim and then
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: you'll be prettick.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Tell you if deporting him stresses him, not deporting him
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: stresses out the millions of Brits who've.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Got to put up with him. We're going to go
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to a break.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: including power prices set to rise again and air quality
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to blame for women not getting pregnant while they're undergoing
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: IVF all of that in just a moment.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Let's look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. Liz,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: We're starting in Tasmania.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Yes we are.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: James Statues stolen. The headline reads. The removal and destruction
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: of two bronze statues depicting the plight of orphaned convict
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: children in colonial Tasmania, which were unveiled in Newtown just
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: three years ago, has devastated members of the local history
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: group that commissioned the project, created by renowned Irish sculptor
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Rowan Gillespie and unveiled in twenty twenty two at a ceremony.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: The statues presented the six thousand children who were admitted
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: to orphan schools in the state between eighteen twenty eight
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: and eighteen seventy nine. Tasmania Police confirmed they had recovered
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: parts of one stolen statue and charged a forty seven
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: year old Clarendon veil Man with stealing. Well, it ain't
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Captain Cook or Lachlan mcquarie, but this guy seems to
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: be and he certainly doesn't sound like the usual suspect
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: when it comes to getting rid of statues, graffitiing statues,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: beheading statues that relate to.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Our colonial buss Unfortunately, police haven't provided any reason or
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: motivation as to why this man has alleged to have
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: broken this statue. But I should point out some of
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: those children were Indigenous children as well, so.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Well, and this is the thing is I mean, you
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: can halfway understand, well, not really, And I'm not going
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: to go down my usual path of explaining why Captain
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Cook had nothing to do with the food.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: We've all heard the steal came.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Down that road. But you know, you can half understand
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: why they go after figures of the colony who were
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: leaders of the colony. Captain Cook was not one of them.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: He wasn't on the first fleet. But you know, you
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: can can't understand why they do that. They shouldn't do it,
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: but you can understand why. But now they're going after
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: statues of people who were arguably victims of colonization, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it is very very odd. I mean,
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: if the motivation is that you don't like colonialism, you've
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: probably picked the wrong mob to go after. And if
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: your argument is that you do really like colonialism and
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: you don't think that orphans ought to be commemorated, that's
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: even weird.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: There's got to be something else going on strange going
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Let's go to the front of the Tizer tomorrow and
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: I hope you, if you were in South Australia, you
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: will open the pages of the Advertiser at page thirteen
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: and read my excellent column. I know self praise is
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: not all that great, but I'm telling you to read
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: it anyway, which will be about technical colleges and why
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: we need a lot more of them. But another story
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: interesting on the front of the Tarzan tomorrow. Anti nukelib
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: is not a lib at all. Strange, isn't it. The
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: director of a group running television ads attacking Peter Dutton's
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: power policy while claiming to be anti nuclear liberals is.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Ready for it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: A retiree who's never been a member of the party.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: So he says that Paul Lads Jesus app is the
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: director of Liberals against Nuclear but he's never been a
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: member of the Liberal Party. And he's also expressed his
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: support in the past for the Alberneasy government's interventions in
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: the energy sector, childcare subsidies and the scrapping of Stage
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: three tax cuts, and of course they've been putting ads
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: on TV. I mean, how can you say your Liberals
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: against nuclear if the bloke who's running the show has
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: never been a liberal.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It's hard to answer that question, Caleb.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I've got to admit it's difficult to come up with
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: an answer.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: It took you a moment.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I got a complete blank as to how he could
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: be the director of such an organization that makes no
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: sense at or Liz, do you have any insight into this?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Well, it would be very artful.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Instead of just being like, oh, labor against nuclear we
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: already know that, yes, thank you very much, they're like, no,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: no division within the ranks. We are liberals against nuclear.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: So it makes sense for him to have chosen this angle,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I think. So if that's the game, well on their website.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: So you've got the director, that's this guy.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: You've also got the official spokesperson who has held a
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: position in the Liberal Party to legitimize it, to legitimize
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: it maybe, But.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: What it sounds like is a guy who is not
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: a liberal said Okay, well we need to set up,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: you know, make it look like the liberals that are
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: against nuclear exactly who's gone and found them? Like, I
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: have no doubt that there are people in the Liberal
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Party who are against nuclear power. And he's mobilized them
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: and they're now part of this mob. But you can't
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: get around the fact that the bloke who's directing it
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: is not a liberal himself. Now, don't we have laws
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: about honesty in political Actually, we don't have laws about
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: honesty in political lad Clearly that was that was one
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: of the carve outs in that missing disinfo stuff they
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: were going to do so seemingly, I'm just going to
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: start coming on air every night and saying I'm a
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Greens Greens person and look, you know, I just hate
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: all the Greens policies.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: I mean for good Greens against Green's policy exactly.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: That's me.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: If we had laws about honesty in political campaigns, we
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: would literally have to start this campaign all over again.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the Herald's Sun
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne. The headline reads power pain looms Surprise, surprise,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the end of Labours one hundred and fifty dollars energy
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: rebate in December. We'll send the average power bill up
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: by about fifteen percent. As pressure mounts on Anthony Albansi
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: to extend the temporary relief, Now, the Prime Minister has
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: rapeatedly dodged questions on when power prices will come down
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: after the government's seventy five dollars a quarter subsidy expires. Liz,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you pointed out I think I overheard you actually off
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: air that that's actually not true. Is it his dodge
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: questions about when power prices will come down after the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: government seventy five dollar or caught a subsody expires, that
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: they go up despite the subs doesn't bring.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Them down a bit exactly.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: And that's the lie, isn't it that labor have been
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: telling well, you know, we've made it cheaper. No, energy
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: prices have kept going up. It's just they're subsidizing the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: price exactly.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: They're all prices will go up. No, they were always
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: that high.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Sorry to say to the front.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Just quickly, Caleb has something to say, ladies and jolemn.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know every now and again, Liz, you can
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: just let me talk. Don't pay. But the problem, of
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: course is that once you give someone something, a government
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: gives someone a subsidy, or you get a tax break
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: here or whatever, is it's so hard to take it back,
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: which is part of the reason we've ended up in
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: this massive budget black hole we have. Because it's all
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: good and well, when you've got cash to splash around,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: to say, we're going to splash some cash around, but
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: then when things go the other way, I mean, it's
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: so hard to turn around and tell people, actually, we've
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: got to tighten our belts now. Assumingly no one has
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: an appetite to tighten their belts anymore. I mean, remember
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: the last time Abbott and Hockey tried it on, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: everyone jumped up and down and couldn't believe all it's terrible,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: all this stuff you're going to take away from us.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: It seems like we've landed in a place now where
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: we just say gimme, gimmy, gimmy, gimmy, gimmy, and we
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: don't look any further than what we can get for ours.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And Albany's is wanting another three years, but his plan
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: for electricity prices is six.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Months and after that we don't know what's going to happen.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Pretty crazy, Well, that's all I need is he just
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: wants to win the election.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: And then worried about about all that stuff.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Later to the front page of the Telegraph now and
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: a curious story underneath the headline that reads air of
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: concern over IVF almost fifty locations across Australia recorded air
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: quality levels last year that were potentially harmful to IVF success,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: with guidelines on the impact of pollution on fertility treatment
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: to eventually be considered by the sector's advisory bodies. Exclusive
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: analysis of air quality in Australian towns, cities and suburbs
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: shows that air pollution in forty eight locations last year
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: reached levels on one hundred and fifty seven occasions that
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: could have affected IVF. Such a curious story. This is
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: not something that we think of when we think of
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: ivf's success rates, the.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Very air that you're breathing, and the amount of money
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: that couple spend on IVF and what they go through
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: in a bid to become pregnant.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Indeed, I reckon there's a lot of people who.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Will be reading that story in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: figure out where are these places and considering that as
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: they pursue IVF.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: And there are quite a number of them across the country,
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: so you can check out the map online. But I
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: suppose what it's saying is that fertility when it comes
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: to IVF is very different to fertility if you're trying
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: to have a baby naturally because it's all very finicky,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: but it's you know, if you're breathing in dust, dirt, mold,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: spores and this kind of thing. Within three months of
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: trying to have an extraction, that's the window. Three months
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: is the window in which they're saying that these things
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: can affect you. I mean, you know, again, natural birth
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: is different, but it does make you wonder how much
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: his fertility affected for everyone else about his environmental factors
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Fair question.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Bizarre scenes at a wedding in Kenya when a man
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: grabs hold of the helicopter with the bride and groom
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: in it as it goes up into the air will
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: show you that in just a moment, well, just when
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you thought this election campaign could not possibly be any
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: more depressing, it got more depressing.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Curb.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: We have found lyrical poetry geniuses in the Labor Party.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: Mean you think of Robert Frost and Walt Whitman, these
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: great writers. We have now the ALP because of course
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: we saw was it earlier in the week the Liberal
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Party came out with a disk track, a rap song
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: about why the ALP shouldn't be re elected. Well, the
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: ALP has returned, so it has such great lyrics in
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: it as its election time now and you're still full
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: of sahi t no plan, no clues, more of the same.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Cost of living is tough people need to hand. You're
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: too busy playing tough guy for the cameras man. He's
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: a bit of it. No man, no clue, Just more
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: of the same living tough people need a hand.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: You're too busy playing tough guy for the cameras man.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Left every policy they gave off his relief fromvow to cement.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: He gave nothing but brief. Oh my god, I mean
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: that is just so not bad. What are you talking
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: about it? What he just.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Rhymed words with words that I would never have thought of.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's really sewn together the Labor Party platform
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: that was so reaching.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: That was so weak. I just if that's where we've
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: devolved to in Australian politics.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Ygun may have a future in politicy.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Done an interpretive dance to that that would have been
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: even more impact.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Very quickly, before we go, you've got to take a
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: look at scenes from a wedding in Kenyon. Now, it
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was apparently a famous musical duo who got married, and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: as they were set to leave the wedding in a helicopter,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a man approached them wanting some money.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I guess they're rich.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: When they didn't give money, he decided he'd just go
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Now that is a wedding video.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: The helicopter pilot realized that he had a stowaway and
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: managed to safely deposit him on the ground, where he
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: was arrested by police.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: We're very helpfully told in the stories about it that
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: he's a bicycle repairment. So I'm glad to know that.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: But you know, I knew Tom Cruise did all of
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: his own stunts, but this has taken it to the
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: next level.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine as it took off, He's like, I
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: guess I've committed. I'm even higher now, Like there's no
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: there's no pulling.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Out of that. That's it from us. Good night, h