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Sharri | 23 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. It's a massive show tonight with huge interviews
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Speaker 2: after America's strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. Major guests coming
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Speaker 2: up live on the show Israeli military star Jonathan Conricus,
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Speaker 2: former British Commander Richard Kemp, who led forces in Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: and Iraq, Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison, Liberal Senator James Patterson,
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Speaker 2: and radio legend Ray Hadley all joining me live this hour.
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Speaker 2: We'll get the full astonishing details of Trump's midnight attack
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Speaker 2: and the pathetic Albanezy response. And let's start with the
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Speaker 2: new details emerging of how President Trump made the decision
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Speaker 2: to strike and exactly how this extraordinary military operation unfolded.
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Speaker 2: Where Trump was on Marine one flying over New Jersey
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Speaker 2: when he took a call from Defense Secretary Peter Hegseth.
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Speaker 2: He said it was time for a final decision on
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Speaker 2: the strikes. Just two days earlier, Carolyn Levitt, his press secretary,
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Speaker 2: had told the media that Trump would decide in the
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Speaker 2: next week or two.
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Speaker 3: Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of
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Speaker 3: negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran
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Speaker 3: in the near future. I will make my decision whether
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Speaker 3: or not to go within the next two weeks.
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Speaker 2: But that comment was designed to keep the world guessing.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't a reflection on the President's indecision. It was
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Speaker 2: just meant to throw the enemy off the scent instead
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Speaker 2: of giving advance warning of what was most likely coming.
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Speaker 2: And once the President gave Hegseeth the go ahead, he
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Speaker 2: then returned to Washington and called his closest advisors to
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Speaker 2: the White House Situation Room. And these are the images
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Speaker 2: from that meeting. You can see Trump with Secretary of
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Speaker 2: State Marco Rubio, Hegseeth, the CIA director John Ratcliffe, Vice
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Speaker 2: President JD. Vance, and security Advisor Andy Baker, and under
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Speaker 2: their watch, Operation Midnight Hammer began. There was a clever
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Speaker 2: deception plan with some B two bombers heading west captured
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Speaker 2: by public flight trackers, but the actual B two bombers
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Speaker 2: headed east toward Iran. It was a thirty seven hour
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Speaker 2: round flight for the pilots of these B two stealth bombers,
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Speaker 2: and it's been reported they flew in silence. They took
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Speaker 2: turns to sleep, and even had a microwave and fridge
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Speaker 2: on board for food. A flight of fighter jets accompanied
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Speaker 2: the B twos as they approached Iran for added protection,
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Speaker 2: and at the same time Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched
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Speaker 2: from American submarines. In total, one hundred and twenty five
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Speaker 2: aircraft were involved in this mission, including dozens of air
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Speaker 2: refueling and intelligence aircraft. The risk was reduced by Israel's
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Speaker 2: supremacy over Iranian airspace. This operation took place under the
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Speaker 2: cover of night, the bombers and missiles entering Iranian airspace
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Speaker 2: at two ten am local time. The nuclear sites of
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Speaker 2: fo Do, Ntanz and Esfahan were all hit in the
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Speaker 2: operation that lasted twenty five.
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Speaker 4: Minutes the attacked and the dead of night. These pictures
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Speaker 4: from Esfahan capture the site and sowned of the US
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Speaker 4: assault on Iranian nuclear sites.
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Speaker 2: And just to get an idea of how massive those
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Speaker 2: bombs are. They weigh thirteen thousand, six hundred kilograms, but
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Speaker 2: look how big they are in size compared to the
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Speaker 2: height of a six foot tall man. Now, fourteen of
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Speaker 2: those were dropped on the Nutance and the four Door facility.
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Speaker 2: And as you know by now, the four Door facility,
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Speaker 2: that's the one that some eighty to ninety meters beneath
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Speaker 2: Mount Alvind south of Tehran. Both President Trump and Hegseth
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Speaker 2: said the nuclear sites had been destroyed. Trump was flanked
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Speaker 2: by Rubio, Hegseth, and JD. Vance when he announced that
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Speaker 2: the mission had been a success.
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Speaker 5: Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes
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Speaker 5: were a spectacular military success. Iran's key nuclear and Richmond
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Speaker 5: facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.
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Speaker 2: Speaking the next morning, Hegseeth agreed the nuclear program had
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Speaker 2: been destroyed.
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Speaker 6: We devastated the Iranian nuclear program. Iran's nuclear ambitions have
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Speaker 6: been obliterated. Many presidents have dreamed of delivering the final
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Speaker 6: blow to Iran's nuclear program, and none could until President Trump.
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Speaker 2: Now this was a single operation to demolish the nuclear sites.
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Speaker 2: But Trump has now left open the possibility of further
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Speaker 2: action if Iran retaliates, and his warning sends a clear.
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Speaker 5: Message around the bully of the Middle East must now
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Speaker 5: make peace. If they do not, future attacks will be
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Speaker 5: far greater and a lot easier. There will be either
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Speaker 5: peace or there will be tragedy for Iran, far greater
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Speaker 5: than we have witnessed over the last eight days. Remember,
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Speaker 5: there are many targets left, but if peace does not
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Speaker 5: come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed,
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Speaker 5: and skill. Most of them can be taken out in
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Speaker 5: a matter of minutes.
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Speaker 2: And further to that, if Iran doesn't come to the
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Speaker 2: table and agree to peace, Trump now threatens there could
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Speaker 2: be regime change. He wrote on truth Social it's not
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Speaker 2: politically correct to use the term regime change, but if
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Speaker 2: the current Iranian regime is unable to make a run
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Speaker 2: great again, why wouldn't there be a regime change? And
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Speaker 2: this comment came really not that long after Vice President
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Speaker 2: Jade Vance said the strikes and Iran's nuclear sites had
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with regime change.
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Speaker 7: But our review has been very clear that we don't
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Speaker 7: want a regime change. We do not want to protract
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Speaker 7: this or build this out any more than it's already
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Speaker 7: been built out. We want to end their nuclear program
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Speaker 7: and then we want to talk to the Iranians about
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Speaker 7: a long term settlement here.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Iotola and his Mullers are irrational extremists, and
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Speaker 2: the world would undoubtedly be safer if they weren't in control,
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Speaker 2: and Iranians would be better off without their cruel oppression,
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Speaker 2: But there is the unpredictability of who the Supreme Leader
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Speaker 2: Kamani could be replaced by, and there's the possibility it
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Speaker 2: would be an equally extremist leader or even worse. It's
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Speaker 2: up to the Iranians to rise up and demand democracy.
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Speaker 2: This is not an easy feat and it is a
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Speaker 2: long shot. So for now, Trump threatens a round with
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Speaker 2: regime change or more attacks if it doesn't choose peace.
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Speaker 2: But the President's actions this weekend have also shaken the
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Speaker 2: axis of evil that consists of China, Russia, Iran and
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Speaker 2: North Korea. Trump has now re established American deterrence, which
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Speaker 2: was surrendered with Biden's chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Beijing and
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Speaker 2: Moscow have reason now to take pause. There are new
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Speaker 2: limits on their aggressive ambitions, and Albanize should also be
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Speaker 2: taking serious notice of the changing dynamics unfolding and global politics,
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Speaker 2: and he should realize that he's been on the wrong
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Speaker 2: side of his The Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pennywong
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Speaker 2: today said, perhaps through gritted teeth, that they endorsed the
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Speaker 2: American strikes in Iran. It took one twenty four hours
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Speaker 2: to work out that she did support America's action to
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Speaker 2: obliterate the nuclear sites.
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Speaker 8: So we support action to prevent Iran from obtaining a
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Speaker 8: nuclear weapon, and that is what this is.
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Speaker 2: But Albinizi is so weak that he refused to speak
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Speaker 2: publicly until he'd held a national security meeting. He needed
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Speaker 2: a meeting to tell him what to do. He could
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Speaker 2: have called one on Sunday, of course, right after the strikes,
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Speaker 2: but that would have been asking too much of the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister. He's only paid over six hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: after all. So he had his meeting today and then
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Speaker 2: he finally fronted the press.
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Speaker 9: The world has long agreed that Iran cannot be allowed
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Speaker 9: to get a nuclear weapon, and we support action to
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Speaker 9: prevent that.
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Speaker 10: That is what this is.
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Speaker 2: I mean watching Albanize in Wong, it seemed like they've
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Speaker 2: been to a funeral having to come out and endorse
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Speaker 2: Trump's action in support of Israel. But they couldn't, in
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Speaker 2: all seriousness have opposed such an important move that's for
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Speaker 2: the clear benefit of mankind, stopping a depraved extremist regime
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Speaker 2: develop an atomic weapon. They had to support that. Now
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Speaker 2: the UK has confirmed it knew about the strikes ahead
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Speaker 2: of time, but Australia was kept out of the loop.
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Speaker 2: Richard Miles was still calling for a return to dialogue
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Speaker 2: and de escalation less than two hours before the strikes
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Speaker 2: took place.
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Speaker 11: In this moment is seeking for greater diplomacy and dialogue
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Speaker 11: and a de escalation of the current conflict that's playing
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Speaker 11: out in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: PHAPS. He would have taken a different tune had he
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Speaker 2: known the American strikes were in action, even I'd heard
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Speaker 2: a whisper and the hours before they took place, But
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government hadn't. That is alarming and my national
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Speaker 2: security sources have told me that Australia was not given
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Speaker 2: fore warning before the strikes, but the UK was. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was too embarrassed to admit this today that
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Speaker 2: he didn't know. He wouldn't directly answer the question.
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Speaker 9: The UK has been one of the countries that's been
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Speaker 9: at the negotiating table with Iran for many years on
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Speaker 9: its NEWCOO weapons program.
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Speaker 6: Your government breathed prior to the Attabitan.
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Speaker 9: This was unilateral action taken by the United States. This
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Speaker 9: was unilateral action taken by the United States.
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Speaker 2: So embarrassing for him, and he abruptly ended that press
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Speaker 2: conference after just nine minutes walking out, our journalists still
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Speaker 2: had questions to ask and I'm going to speak with
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Speaker 2: James Patterson about this shortly. But the fact that the
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Speaker 2: UK was briefed goes to the good relationship that Keir
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Speaker 2: Starmer has managed to forge with Donald Trump. It's a
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Speaker 2: relationship that is nonexistent for Albanesi. Australia is out in
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Speaker 2: the cold thanks to this pathetic government. Albinizi and wog
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Speaker 2: have made our nation irrelevant on the global stage through absurd,
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Speaker 2: confused and morality free foreign policy. And you'd have to
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Speaker 2: say now that Alberinizi is the most inconsequential prime minister
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Speaker 2: in global politics in a long time. It's coming up
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Speaker 2: to eight months since Trump won the election, eight months
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Speaker 2: and Albanizi has never had a face to face meeting.
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Speaker 2: This is a new low in American and Australian relations
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Speaker 2: and the only worse international leadership has come from the
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Speaker 2: United Nations. Antonio Guteris should be celebrating America removing the
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Speaker 2: nuclear threat from Iran. Instead he's objecting to it. Here's
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Speaker 2: what he said on social media. He said, I am
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Speaker 2: gravely alarmed by the use of force by the United
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Speaker 2: States against Iran today. This is a dangerous escalation in
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Speaker 2: a region already on edge and a direct threat to
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Speaker 2: international peace and security. He said, at this perilous hour,
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Speaker 2: it is critical to avoid a spiral of chaos. There's
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Speaker 2: no military solution, he says, the only path forward is diplomacy.
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Speaker 2: The only hope is peace. I mean, that is the
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Speaker 2: worst possible analysis of the situation. It's Iran that has
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Speaker 2: continued to use force and terrorism against the West for decades,
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Speaker 2: most recently financing and sparking the October seven massacre. Yet
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Speaker 2: even after this, Tehran was given the option of deploymacy
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Speaker 2: and five months of negotiations with the Trump administration, and
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Speaker 2: it's still refused to give up its nuclear ambitions. Compare
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Speaker 2: Trump and edin Yahoo's courage with Albanezi's spineless timidity and
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Speaker 2: the United Nations appeasement of terrorism and moral depravity. There's
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Speaker 2: no comparison Trump and Nettignao, who have formed quite the
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Speaker 2: formidable partnership of our time. It's a conversation I'll come
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Speaker 2: back to later in the show with Timothy Lynch. He's
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Speaker 2: a professor of American politics, and there's no question that
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Speaker 2: Trump made the right call in taking this military action.
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Speaker 2: It's the only sensible decision. Another trade deal with Iran,
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Speaker 2: like former US presidents chose to do, would have only
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Speaker 2: given this dangerous and murderous regime billions of dollars, billions
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Speaker 2: to finance another wave of terror against Israel and the West,
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Speaker 2: billions to finance and re empower their proxies Harmus and Hesbela,
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Speaker 2: after Israel has spent the past twenty months weakening them,
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Speaker 2: and in doing this action and the way he went
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Speaker 2: about it, the President of the United States showed he
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Speaker 2: is capable of calm, rational decisions. He followed a careful
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Speaker 2: and considered process. He didn't rush into this. He weighed
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Speaker 2: his options and the consequences. He has shown himself to
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Speaker 2: be a leader of our time.
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Speaker 4: OGA.
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Speaker 2: That's cross live to Israel now, where I'm joined by
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Speaker 2: retired Lieutenant Colonel, former IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus, who's now
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Speaker 2: senior Fellow at the Foundation for Devents Democracies and co
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Speaker 2: founder of bottom Line Media. Jonathan, thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time. Once again now just to start the
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Speaker 2: breaking news this evening, Iran's foreign ministers meeting with Russia
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Speaker 2: as we speak. Do you think there is a chance
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Speaker 2: that Russia could support a run against Israel.
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Speaker 12: Hello, Sherry, thanks for having me on. I think it's
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Speaker 12: the first time on your show, but I'm very happy
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Speaker 12: to be here. Regarding Russia, you know, the interesting statement
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Speaker 12: that apparently was released by the Kremlin is that Russia
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Speaker 12: seeks to support the Iranian people. And that's an interesting statement.
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Speaker 12: It could indicate that the Russians are hedging their beds
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Speaker 12: and they are assessing the situation with regards to the regime.
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Speaker 12: And if I were an Iranian regime spokesperson, I wouldn't
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Speaker 12: be very happy with that statement. I would have wanted
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Speaker 12: something much stronger from Iran's closest strategic ally, and they're
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Speaker 12: not getting it. So, you know, there's never any telling
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Speaker 12: what Putin will do, and decision making in Russia is
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Speaker 12: always very complex and interesting, so I wouldn't want to assess.
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Speaker 12: I just you know, observe that there is They have
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Speaker 12: a full plate of their own, do the Russians. They
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Speaker 12: are challenged by the situation, and usually the saying in
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Speaker 12: military affairs and strategy is that you never throw good
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Speaker 12: money after a losing horse, and Iran in this case
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Speaker 12: they're losing, So it wouldn't make sense for the Russians
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Speaker 12: to invest resources that they apparently don't have a lot
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Speaker 12: of after someone who one of their allies that is
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Speaker 12: apparently not doing very well on the battlefield. So I'd
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Speaker 12: say a cautious no, and I'll be watching the space
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Speaker 12: of you know, the messaging here. Interesting that they chose
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Speaker 12: to focus on the Iranian people and not Kaminai so
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Speaker 12: called supreme leader, and not the Islamic regime.
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Speaker 2: No, a very good point there. Now, there's been a
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Speaker 2: lot of discussion since the strikes yesterday over whether the
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Speaker 2: nuclear sites were completely obliterated. With you military background, what's
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Speaker 2: your assessment of this question.
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Speaker 12: I mean, my military background says that we have to
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Speaker 12: be patient in order to get final intel, which is
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Speaker 12: based on real, hard evidence that can indicate what exactly
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Speaker 12: is the extent of the damage that has been inflicted
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Speaker 12: at four Dou. I think the other sites are a
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Speaker 12: little bit easier to assess because most of the infrastructure
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Speaker 12: is above ground, and therefore it's easier to understand. For
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Speaker 12: DOAU is underground and it will take longer time, but
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Speaker 12: I think we can. You know, Israel reportedly conducted strikes
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Speaker 12: air strikes on four Door just a few hours ago
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Speaker 12: after the American strike, So perhaps there's need for additional targeting.
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Speaker 12: I don't yet know the reason why, but I think
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Speaker 12: one thing is pretty clear this conflict, this war will
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Speaker 12: only end once four Doau is totally destroyed, dismantled, and
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Speaker 12: this destroyed to such a level that the Uranians won't
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Speaker 12: be able to salvage centrifuges or any other part of
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Speaker 12: their critical infrastructure. So whether it was destroyed now or
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Speaker 12: we will need to do a second and a third run,
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Speaker 12: I think it's less pertinent. The end will be a
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Speaker 12: destruction of FODO and an effective end to Iran's malign
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Speaker 12: nuclear weapons intentions.
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Speaker 2: There's also the International Atomic Energy Agency. They release the
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Speaker 2: statement today saying that Iran has a stockpile of more
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Speaker 2: than four hundred kilograms of highly enriched uranium, which agency
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Speaker 2: inspectors last verified a few days before the military conflict began.
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Speaker 2: So Jonathan, again, this is also something that needs to
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Speaker 2: be addressed if it hasn't been already. Does Israel know
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Speaker 2: where this is located and will it be destroyed or removed?
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Speaker 12: So I think we can and the viewers at home
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Speaker 12: and people around the world, can I think assess that
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Speaker 12: Israel has pretty good intel when it comes to Iran.
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Speaker 12: Israel has been collecting, assessing intel, and preparing itself for
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Speaker 12: this moment for quite a few years, and I think,
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Speaker 12: you know, I don't think that is what would you
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Speaker 12: forget to deal with such an important and critical.
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Speaker 13: Piece of asset.
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Speaker 12: So my bet is that Israel is not only following,
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Speaker 12: but actually knows where that material is and is taking
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Speaker 12: the necessary steps in order to make sure that they
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Speaker 12: are never turned into weapons. Now, of course, dealing with
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Speaker 12: radioactive or highly enriched material is a different bargain. Israel
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Speaker 12: has to be careful and there are certain safeguards. I
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Speaker 12: don't think that Israel wants to create an environmental catastrophe,
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Speaker 12: And of course, wherever the Iranians have tried to hide it,
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Speaker 12: I'm sure that Israel is on top of that and
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Speaker 12: following it. But bottom line, I understand that journalists around
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Speaker 12: the world, especially those who wish to minimize President Trump's
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Speaker 12: achievement and the Israeli achievement against the Iran's nuclear program
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Speaker 12: and to show that, oh well, not everything has been
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Speaker 12: taken care of, I would recommend that they be a
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Speaker 12: bit more cautious and a bit more modest in their
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Speaker 12: assessments and judge by action.
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Speaker 13: So far, so far, I.
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Speaker 12: Think Israel has demonstrated complete intel dominance and operational dominance,
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Speaker 12: and I think we should assume that Israel is pretty
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Speaker 12: well aware of the whereabouts of said enriched uranium.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before you go. In a message this evening
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister Benjaminetti and Yao who said that Israel
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Speaker 2: is very close to achieving its war goals in Iran,
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Speaker 2: and he said the next step is the expansion of
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Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords. I mean this clearly is how the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is hoping to reshape the Middle East.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's more.
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Speaker 12: How I think he and many Israelis are hoping to
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Speaker 12: finally have Israel live without terror organizations that constantly attack us,
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Speaker 12: and without the fear of extinction by a weapon of
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Speaker 12: mass destruction in the hands of a absolutely crazy and
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Speaker 12: fanatical regime.
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Speaker 13: And I think that's where we're heading. I hope that
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Speaker 13: it will.
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Speaker 12: Be prosperous and good and positive for the Iranian people,
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Speaker 12: for other people in the region, and definitely the Abram Accords.
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Speaker 12: That is an excellent vehicle to do exactly that prosperity, peace, normalization, trade, economy, commerce,
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Speaker 12: all of those beautiful things that usually benefit people and
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Speaker 12: also companies and countries. I hope that will happen, and
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Speaker 12: I think by defeating Iran, Israel will be doing a
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Speaker 12: great service to the region, enhancing the chances of prosperity.
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Speaker 13: I hope that the Iranian people will be able.
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Speaker 12: To free itself of that horrible, oppressive, coronen malfunctioning regime
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Speaker 12: that has been oppressing them for forty six years.
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Speaker 13: But that's up to the Iranian people to decide.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Conricas really appreciate your time in the show. Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much. That's Jonathan Live in Israel.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago that Joe Biden was withholding
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Speaker 2: weapons from Israel and demanding a cease fire. And it's
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Speaker 2: no wonder that Israelis are extremely grateful to Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: with billboards in Tel Aviv lit up with the words
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Speaker 2: thank you, mister President, let's bring you now. Former Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Scott Morrison, Scott, thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you. Do you agree this is true
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Speaker 2: leadership from President Trump in taking the necessary action to
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Speaker 2: eliminate the nuclear threat from Iran.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 11: This is something that presidents have been seeking to achieve,
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Speaker 11: and that is the distruction of around's nuclear capabilities for decades.
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Speaker 11: And you know, they've tried diplomacy over and over again.
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Speaker 11: The JCPOA, which was as President Trump described it many
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Speaker 11: years ago when I was Prime Minister, it was a
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Speaker 11: bad deal. It was a bad deal. It wasn't achieving
23:09
Speaker 11: that deal. Some years later, October seventh, we saw the
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Speaker 11: most vile defilement of a nation in what occurred to
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Speaker 11: the Jewish people on that day, the worst day since
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Speaker 11: the Holocaust. And you know what we've seen now is
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Speaker 11: finally after the fall of Hamasaf, the fall of his Blah.
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Speaker 11: And along the way there was the fall of the
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Speaker 11: Sad regime, and now the Iranian regime hangs by a thread.
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Speaker 11: And you know, I think it's extraordinary what he's been
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Speaker 11: able to do. And it wasn't it wasn't an easy
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Speaker 11: thing for to do. It wasn't something he rushed to do.
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Speaker 11: It's not something it's not his preferred option, but he
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Speaker 11: was prepared to take the action.
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Speaker 1: And I think he should be commended for it.
23:52
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I agree with you, And it's not just the
23:56
Speaker 2: Democrats who are saying he should be impeached, but there's
23:59
Speaker 2: even critics within Ay his own party who were mounting
24:02
Speaker 2: the argument that America shouldn't be involved in a foreign war.
24:05
Speaker 2: They say it's not their war. But Scott Morrison, what
24:09
Speaker 2: threat does Iran pos to the West, even Australia, not
24:13
Speaker 2: just Israel.
24:16
Speaker 11: When I was PM, I talked about an ark of
24:18
Speaker 11: autocracy that went all the way from Pyeongyang to Tehran
24:21
Speaker 11: and took in Beijing and of course took in Moscow.
24:24
Speaker 11: And Iran have been an important part of that ark,
24:28
Speaker 11: and they have worked together, as we saw in Ukraine.
24:32
Speaker 11: I mean the Uranians working together. What was happening in Ukraine.
24:35
Speaker 11: We've seen them swapping notes, encouraging each other. You know,
24:39
Speaker 11: we've got the Iranian foreign minister who's ducked off to Moscow,
24:44
Speaker 11: and we've got the Chinese government which is criticizing the
24:48
Speaker 11: United States. You know that they're swapping notes and they're
24:51
Speaker 11: working together, and they've been doing it.
24:52
Speaker 13: For some time.
24:54
Speaker 11: And this is a very significant blow to that ark,
24:56
Speaker 11: I believe, and I think it. I mean, I mean,
25:00
Speaker 11: when you just stop and think about the fact that
25:04
Speaker 11: Iran's nuclear capability has been destroyed. I mean that is
25:11
Speaker 11: a Middle East game changer, and not just for Israel,
25:15
Speaker 11: not just for Israel, but I think it is the
25:17
Speaker 11: opportunity to create a stability in the Middle East that'll
25:20
Speaker 11: be welcomed by golf countries and to ensure that they
25:24
Speaker 11: can return to pursuing peace for their own countries, for commerce,
25:28
Speaker 11: for engagement, for all of these sorts of things. I
25:30
Speaker 11: think this is potentially a major turning point for the
25:33
Speaker 11: Middle East after so many decades of where it's just
25:37
Speaker 11: been a woeful tale of despair.
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Speaker 2: So well said, I couldn't agree with you more, and
25:43
Speaker 2: I wish more of that sentiment was reflected in the
25:46
Speaker 2: media and in political commentary now it Scott Morrison, I
25:50
Speaker 2: have to ask you this, If you were Prime Minister
25:54
Speaker 2: right now, would you have taken over twenty four hours
25:58
Speaker 2: to come out and express the port for America's strikes
26:02
Speaker 2: against Iran.
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Speaker 11: No, And there was no need for it to take
26:06
Speaker 11: that long. And I mean, of course you would have
26:09
Speaker 11: taken constant you would have taken advice in terms of
26:12
Speaker 11: what had actually happened and where it had happened, and
26:15
Speaker 11: what had been the nature of the strikes and what
26:17
Speaker 11: intelligence did we have and what had we been informed
26:20
Speaker 11: of by our allies and so on, And that's quite reasonable.
26:24
Speaker 11: If it was necessary, I would have convened the National
26:26
Speaker 11: Security Committee on the Sunday if it was indeed necessary
26:30
Speaker 11: for the simple sake of actually being able to make
26:33
Speaker 11: a statement as Prime Minister. That potentially could have been
26:36
Speaker 11: done just simply between the Minister for Defense and the
26:38
Speaker 11: Minister of Foreign Affairs. But if the Prime Minister wishes
26:41
Speaker 11: to do that with a full National Security Committee, that's
26:44
Speaker 11: fair enough and that should have been convened on a Sunday.
26:48
Speaker 11: I can't remember how many National Security Committee meanings I've
26:51
Speaker 11: convened on Sundays and Saturdays and all sorts of ours,
26:54
Speaker 11: given the issues we were dealing with at the time.
26:56
Speaker 1: So it's not irregular.
26:58
Speaker 11: You know, our national secure officials are not shocked to
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Speaker 11: be called at short notice to attend the National Security Committee.
27:05
Speaker 1: And it was significant.
27:06
Speaker 11: It was a moment of opportunity, I think for Australia
27:10
Speaker 11: to make a very clear statement. And I must admit,
27:13
Speaker 11: when you know I was asked about this yesterday, Sharriet,
27:16
Speaker 11: it wasn't really something I was looking to get engaged
27:19
Speaker 11: with publicly. But there's been so much ambiguity about the
27:24
Speaker 11: government's position on the Middle East and on Israel and
27:27
Speaker 11: October seven, and honestly that.
27:31
Speaker 1: Ambiguity must cease.
27:33
Speaker 11: I mean, surely now, surely now we can have a
27:37
Speaker 11: clear position and understand that what the United States is.
27:40
Speaker 1: Doing is the right thing to do.
27:42
Speaker 11: It's And the other thing I'd say is this show.
27:44
Speaker 2: But this is your message to the alban Easy government.
27:47
Speaker 2: Now you're saying, stop being ambiguous when it comes to
27:50
Speaker 2: foreign policy. Support our allies. That's what you're saying, isn't it.
27:54
Speaker 11: Of course, I mean the United States. For those who
27:56
Speaker 11: want to live in the fairyland that thinks that without
28:00
Speaker 11: an alliance with the United States we somehow have a
28:02
Speaker 11: defense arrangement, that somehow Australia would be the only country
28:07
Speaker 11: other than the United States that would be able to
28:09
Speaker 11: resist the type of potential offense that would be leveled
28:15
Speaker 11: at Australia and do it in isolation. This is absolute,
28:19
Speaker 11: La La land. The United States is our most important ally.
28:23
Speaker 11: And whether it was the Howard government or was with
28:25
Speaker 11: my government, whether it was you know, during times of
28:28
Speaker 11: the rug government, the Guillaud government, there was an instinctive,
28:33
Speaker 11: an instinctive alignment with the United States. And I can't
28:39
Speaker 11: tell you why he waited until today before saying something.
28:44
Speaker 11: I don't know the answer to that question. Was it
28:48
Speaker 11: to align with what other governments like the UK and
28:51
Speaker 11: Canada and to align with their messaging. I don't know.
28:55
Speaker 11: Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. But you know, if
28:59
Speaker 11: you in the United States and you take an action
29:02
Speaker 11: like this, and it wouldn't have been an easy call
29:06
Speaker 11: for the president. This is not something he would have
29:09
Speaker 11: been rushing to do, itching to do, but you'd want
29:12
Speaker 11: to know your allies were with you. And how hard
29:17
Speaker 11: is it to go? Well done, mister President on taking
29:21
Speaker 11: out the new killer capabilities of a despotic authoritarian regime
29:27
Speaker 11: that you know imposes all sorts of extinguishment of liberties
29:31
Speaker 11: on their.
29:32
Speaker 1: Own people should be regime that should be. I don't know.
29:36
Speaker 11: We need to be careful about offending.
29:38
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the most uncontroversial thing to say. Scott Morrison.
29:42
Speaker 2: We miss your moral clarity more than I can say.
29:46
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining me tonight.
29:48
Speaker 11: Nice to talk to you, Sharon.
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Speaker 1: Good for you too, Thank you.
29:52
Speaker 2: Now my national security sources have confirmed that Australia was
29:56
Speaker 2: not given advance warning like the UK was of America constrikes,
30:00
Speaker 2: and as I said, this is a reflection of the
30:02
Speaker 2: fact Albanezi has no relationship with the President joining US
30:06
Speaker 2: now Liberal Senator James Patterson. James, if Australia had a
30:10
Speaker 2: close relationship with the United States, we might have been
30:13
Speaker 2: brought into the loop like our British ally was.
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Speaker 14: Sharry, I don't know the reason why we weren't informed,
30:22
Speaker 14: as your reporting indicates in advance about this operation. There
30:26
Speaker 14: are perfectly plausible and innocent reasons why that might have
30:29
Speaker 14: been the case, for example, operational security on a highly
30:33
Speaker 14: sensitive mission that was very tightly held. But it is
30:36
Speaker 14: also possible that one of the reasons why we weren't
30:39
Speaker 14: told is because there is a lack of trust or
30:41
Speaker 14: a lack of rapport between the president and our prime minister,
30:45
Speaker 14: who has failed to establish a personal relationship with the
30:48
Speaker 14: president now seven months on from when he was elected.
30:52
Speaker 14: And I think it is instructive to see the other
30:54
Speaker 14: world leader who was informed was Keir Starmer, who has
30:58
Speaker 14: done perhaps better than any other world leader in establishing
31:01
Speaker 14: that personal relationship with President Trump. So that may be
31:04
Speaker 14: the reason why the UK was informed and we were not,
31:06
Speaker 14: And if that is the case, then that will be
31:08
Speaker 14: a very worrying development, but something that the Prime Minister
31:11
Speaker 14: should be aiming to remedy as soon as possible by
31:14
Speaker 14: going to Washington, DC, meeting with the President and establishing
31:17
Speaker 14: that personal relationship.
31:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to get back to alban easy in just
31:22
Speaker 2: a minute. But why do you support this action, Jameson,
31:26
Speaker 2: and why do you think this is so important for
31:28
Speaker 2: American deterrence.
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Speaker 14: I support it in its own right for its own merits,
31:35
Speaker 14: because I think it is a good thing that hopefully
31:38
Speaker 14: Iran's nuclear enrichment program has been set back many years,
31:41
Speaker 14: if not a decade. That will be good for its
31:44
Speaker 14: own reason. But I also support it because I think
31:46
Speaker 14: it is very important to reassert American deterrence, and not
31:50
Speaker 14: just in the Middle East, but globally, including in Inno Pacific.
31:54
Speaker 14: There's been some pretty low rent strategic analysis out there
31:58
Speaker 14: in recent months about so called Taco Trump. Trump always
32:02
Speaker 14: chickens out that this has punctured in a very welcome way,
32:06
Speaker 14: and it also pushes back on the more sophisticated analysis
32:09
Speaker 14: that's been running the line that Trump is an isolationist.
32:12
Speaker 14: This proves in fact, the President is not an isolationist,
32:15
Speaker 14: that he is comfortable with the judicious deployment of American
32:19
Speaker 14: military power, and he's willing to do so in the
32:21
Speaker 14: service of America's national interest. And I hope that every
32:25
Speaker 14: would be dictator and aggressor around the world has taken
32:28
Speaker 14: note of this and now factors that in to their
32:31
Speaker 14: own calculations about their own plans for expansion or aggression
32:35
Speaker 14: in their own region, and has more doubt in their
32:38
Speaker 14: minds this week than they did last week about whether
32:40
Speaker 14: or not America will push back, because it is a
32:43
Speaker 14: much better thing for all of us if dictators are
32:46
Speaker 14: worried that America under President Trump will do something about
32:49
Speaker 14: their ambitions.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, completely agree, James. We just heard some extremely strong
32:54
Speaker 2: comments from Scott Morrison about the delay and the weakness
33:00
Speaker 2: of Albanese's comments to this. Do you agree that the
33:03
Speaker 2: Australian official position has been unacceptable?
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Speaker 1: Shary.
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Speaker 14: I think it's a good thing that the Prime Minister
33:10
Speaker 14: and the Foreign Minister eventually arrived at the correct position
33:13
Speaker 14: this morning to support the United States and welcome their action,
33:18
Speaker 14: but I am baffled as to why it took them
33:20
Speaker 14: twenty four hours or longer to get to that position.
33:24
Speaker 14: This should have been an easy one. Our closest ally,
33:27
Speaker 14: our most important strategic partner, took action to prevent a
33:32
Speaker 14: theocratic autocracy from obtaining a nuclear weapon which they have
33:37
Speaker 14: said they intend to use to one day ripe Israel
33:39
Speaker 14: off the map. And a regime which has been at
33:42
Speaker 14: war with the United States and its allies for forty years,
33:46
Speaker 14: which chanced death to America, and whose supreme religious leader
33:49
Speaker 14: that Aetolahamine, has said that those chants are not just
33:53
Speaker 14: a slogan, it's a policy.
33:55
Speaker 15: So for there to be.
33:55
Speaker 14: Any ambiguity in the Prime Minister or the Foreign Minister's
33:59
Speaker 14: position about this, I think he's inexplicable. But I am
34:01
Speaker 14: glad that eventually they found their way to the right position.
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Speaker 2: All right, James Patterson, you have more forgiving than I am.
34:09
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on now still to
34:12
Speaker 2: come and inside look at this meticulous military operation. I'll
34:15
Speaker 2: speak about that with former British Commander Richard Kemp and
34:19
Speaker 2: shocking scenes on Ozzie Streets as ignorant protesters back the
34:23
Speaker 2: extremist Iran regime. Ray Hadley, we'll rip in next Welcome back,
34:32
Speaker 2: and to further discuss the shocking Australian response and the
34:36
Speaker 2: extraordinary developments over the past twenty four hours. Let's bring
34:39
Speaker 2: in now radio legend Ray Hadley.
34:41
Speaker 8: Ray.
34:41
Speaker 2: Well, let's start with these concerning scenes that we've seen
34:45
Speaker 2: in Sydney yesterday. Pro Palestinian crowd suddenly started supporting this
34:51
Speaker 2: radical extremist regime. There's this one photograph, I mean, never
34:56
Speaker 2: mind the fact they've been executing women for daring not
34:59
Speaker 2: to cover their hair, this photograph shows a protest to
35:02
Speaker 2: holding up a picture of Ayotola Ali Kamani, I mean, Ray,
35:07
Speaker 2: how ignorant are these people of what's actually going on
35:11
Speaker 2: in Iran?
35:12
Speaker 10: Well, the people who gather, it's no different to what
35:14
Speaker 10: happened October eight nine and ten, I mean ill informed
35:18
Speaker 10: oaths and then Marine Faricki and others there, you know,
35:22
Speaker 10: jollying them along. She should be more concerned about what's
35:25
Speaker 10: happening in Pakistan with India as opposed to what happening
35:27
Speaker 10: in the Middle East. But look the rivet of the
35:30
Speaker 10: sea chant, it's been dispelled. If you're an historian, even
35:35
Speaker 10: with a little modicum of common sense, you understand that
35:37
Speaker 10: the Jewish faith have been there a lot longer. They're
35:40
Speaker 10: not chlonized in any way being a colony there. They
35:44
Speaker 10: haven't colonized that particular area.
35:46
Speaker 2: Jews are indigenous to the land. It's nonsense, it's not.
35:50
Speaker 10: But see, I saw something today that mate sent me.
35:54
Speaker 10: It was an American thing. And they asked a question
35:59
Speaker 10: of a woman and she said, and she was protesting
36:00
Speaker 10: along the same lines of what we're putting up with
36:02
Speaker 10: here yesterday, and she said, well, they're Muslims. He said,
36:06
Speaker 10: here's Muslims. He said, oh, the Jewish. You know, the
36:09
Speaker 10: people in Israel there muslim He said, that's the other side,
36:12
Speaker 10: you know. And most of the people protesting, not all
36:17
Speaker 10: of them, but most of them are young ones who
36:19
Speaker 10: had no idea what happened during the war, the Holocaust.
36:22
Speaker 10: They've got no idea of what was the Jewish faith
36:25
Speaker 10: was subjected to by Hitler and the Nazis. They're rewriting
36:30
Speaker 10: history and it's so annoying. And any chance to bash
36:33
Speaker 10: up Donald Trump. The rest of the world is applauding him.
36:36
Speaker 10: And I read a thing by Joe Hildebrand today where
36:39
Speaker 10: he said we should be thanking Donald Trump. Agreed, and
36:43
Speaker 10: everyone should exactly take Jay's leader and thinking, because they
36:48
Speaker 10: get nuclear capabilities, we're all in strife.
36:51
Speaker 2: Exactly, We're all in trouble, no question. And sometimes I
36:54
Speaker 2: think Albinizi and Pennywong are almost as ignerient as those
36:57
Speaker 2: as those protests.
36:59
Speaker 10: You've got to forgive the our minister because deep, deep.
37:02
Speaker 2: Because he was one of those protests.
37:03
Speaker 10: Thank you, you've got me now, I interject all the time.
37:09
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it.
37:10
Speaker 13: No, you're exactly right.
37:11
Speaker 10: You know, he was in a CAF a few decades
37:15
Speaker 10: ago and he was protesting, you know. And so it's
37:18
Speaker 10: not in his soul, it's not in his DNA. It's
37:21
Speaker 10: certainly not in Petty Wong's DNA. And I gave them
37:23
Speaker 10: a bit of a tickle up this morning on the
37:24
Speaker 10: telegraph and said you've either got to do your business
37:27
Speaker 10: or get off the pot because and he hasn't done
37:29
Speaker 10: that yet. She was everywhere this morning saying, oh, we
37:32
Speaker 10: support Donald Trump, we support We can't allow this, but
37:36
Speaker 10: there was a writer we've got to work towards peace.
37:39
Speaker 10: How do you have peace with a raving lunatic who
37:42
Speaker 10: puts homosexuals to death, who won't allow women to go
37:46
Speaker 10: to school, girls to go to school. Women are not
37:49
Speaker 10: second class citizens in Iran, their third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
37:53
Speaker 10: and seventh. In fact, I think some of the herded
37:55
Speaker 10: animals might come in front of them. And so how
37:58
Speaker 10: do you negotiat How does our foreign minute to say,
38:01
Speaker 10: let's negotiate with a raving lunatic.
38:03
Speaker 2: You can't not to have nuclear weapons. I mean, it
38:06
Speaker 2: doesn't get more serious. She was questioned on why they
38:10
Speaker 2: took so long to twenty four hours.
38:12
Speaker 10: To come into the tea party.
38:14
Speaker 2: Well, probably it would have been more priority. Here's what
38:17
Speaker 2: she said in answer to that question.
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Speaker 7: Why has it taken almost twenty four hours from Gona
38:23
Speaker 7: to provide support to the US.
38:25
Speaker 8: I think if you look at our statement release by
38:27
Speaker 8: the government yesterday, we may clear what we have always said,
38:30
Speaker 8: which is the international community, including Australia, I has long
38:33
Speaker 8: believed that Ouran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon. I think
38:37
Speaker 8: that was very.
38:37
Speaker 2: Clear, except that it wasn't very clear. Ray It didn't
38:43
Speaker 2: say the sort of meinly Mouth release said simply we
38:49
Speaker 2: want peace.
38:50
Speaker 10: I mean, it didn't say we are with our allies. Look,
38:53
Speaker 10: as I've said many times, we are a large content
38:56
Speaker 10: with a small population. The Americans save this in World
39:00
Speaker 10: War II from what was happening up north. There's no
39:03
Speaker 10: doubt they saved us. And if we want to be
39:05
Speaker 10: saved again from some other person that may want a
39:08
Speaker 10: bit of our territory and a bit of our wealth
39:10
Speaker 10: in terms of what we have on the ground here,
39:12
Speaker 10: we're going to be calling the Americans again. I mean,
39:15
Speaker 10: we are not a race of people who will know
39:17
Speaker 10: dof our caps to people. We're fairly proud, but at
39:21
Speaker 10: the end of the day, we're twenty five twenty six
39:24
Speaker 10: million people and we need the United States of America.
39:28
Speaker 10: Might if something might happen in the future now, Donald
39:31
Speaker 10: Trump would be fully entitled to say, well, listen, fellas,
39:35
Speaker 10: where were you when we knewed you?
39:37
Speaker 2: Ye? And he might tear up He might tear up all.
39:38
Speaker 10: Because the Prime Minister has done nothing today to allay
39:45
Speaker 10: those fears. He has done nothing. And I saw Scott Morrison,
39:49
Speaker 10: God bless him.
39:50
Speaker 2: Wasn't he excellent?
39:51
Speaker 10: Well for the first time. And I know when they
39:53
Speaker 10: leave politics, the last thing they want to do is
39:55
Speaker 10: bag the opposition, you know, a bit of respect for
39:58
Speaker 10: the position he'll as Prime minister. But he was strong
40:01
Speaker 10: and he said some very sensible things about the Prime Minister.
40:04
Speaker 10: The Prime Minister from day one has been weak as
40:07
Speaker 10: water in relation to the Jewish and the attack by Hamas.
40:11
Speaker 10: And at the end of the end of any day,
40:14
Speaker 10: if you support Gaza, you support her mass a terrorist
40:18
Speaker 10: organization no better than the terrorist organization in Iran that
40:22
Speaker 10: we're confronting at the moment. So, I mean, I don't
40:26
Speaker 10: know what he gets, but as I said, maybe it's
40:28
Speaker 10: in his DNA and there's a little birdy in the
40:30
Speaker 10: back of his mind saying now be careful, because remember
40:34
Speaker 10: how you really think about this issue, from your university
40:37
Speaker 10: days and all the rest of it. Maybe there's still
40:39
Speaker 10: a part of you that thinks that way.
40:41
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if Scott Morrison was still the
40:43
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, or Kevin Rudd, or Julia Gillard or Tony Abbott,
40:48
Speaker 2: any of the others, they all would have held a
40:50
Speaker 2: press conference on the Sunday, no question backing in America.
40:54
Speaker 10: Look, Julia Gillard would have been right on the front foot.
40:56
Speaker 10: I've got no doubt about it. And you know, God
40:59
Speaker 10: bless her getting the Royal Commissioner to the Child Abuse
41:01
Speaker 10: up and running with Tony Abbott's help, but she was
41:04
Speaker 10: a strong person. We've got a Prime minister who lapped
41:07
Speaker 10: the opposition back at lapped the opposition, and it looks
41:11
Speaker 10: like he's gone into his shell again. It's bizarre and
41:15
Speaker 10: it's scary that we're being led by someone who wouldn't
41:18
Speaker 10: know he's wa'sing my caller from his elbow.
41:20
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, utterly, but I'm comforted by
41:24
Speaker 2: the fact the whole world knows that it's not just
41:26
Speaker 2: us dealing with it on our own. The United States
41:29
Speaker 2: President knows what we're dealing with.
41:30
Speaker 10: You, yeah, exactly, and I think even you know, the
41:33
Speaker 10: Labor Party in Great Britain realized what we're dealing with
41:36
Speaker 10: as well, exactly.
41:37
Speaker 2: Ray Hadley, love having you here every Monday. I'll see
41:40
Speaker 2: you next Monday.
41:40
Speaker 16: I'll look forward to it.
41:41
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. All right. Still to come from
41:44
Speaker 2: a British Commander Richard Kemp joins US live from Israel,
41:47
Speaker 2: plus a report by Jonathan Lee with inside detail on
41:51
Speaker 2: the top secret strikes. Welcome back, and for more on
41:57
Speaker 2: the brilliant US mission. Let's bring in from British Commander
42:01
Speaker 2: Richard Camp, who led British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Colonel,
42:05
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time once again as
42:08
Speaker 2: a military commander. What impressed you most about this mission
42:12
Speaker 2: and do you think that the outcomes were achieve this
42:16
Speaker 2: nuclear threat has now been removed.
42:20
Speaker 16: Well, I think the whole thing was extremely impressive, with
42:25
Speaker 16: the United States Air Force, Navy as well involved carrying
42:31
Speaker 16: out an operation in close coordination with the Israel Defense
42:34
Speaker 16: Force to smash up Iran's nuclear capabilities, and I think
42:41
Speaker 16: probably the details of the bombs, etc. Very very impressive,
42:45
Speaker 16: unique in the world. But I think one of the
42:47
Speaker 16: most impressive things is a flight of thirty six hours
42:51
Speaker 16: round trip from Missouri to Iran, involving multiple refuelings, without
42:58
Speaker 16: what appears to be without a hit, and without even
43:01
Speaker 16: a single Iranian anti aircraft gun or aircraft getting to
43:05
Speaker 16: the sky to stop them.
43:06
Speaker 1: They went in, they went.
43:07
Speaker 16: Out, that no one knew anything about it apart from
43:10
Speaker 16: the explosions. That's extremely impressive. Nobody really knows what the
43:15
Speaker 16: actual damage that has been done on these sites. I think,
43:19
Speaker 16: you know, President Trump says that they've been obliterated.
43:22
Speaker 1: I've no doubt that huge damage has.
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Speaker 16: Been done, but it does take time to do a
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Speaker 16: proper assessment, so I think we'll have to wait and
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Speaker 16: see what comes out of that assessment. They may well
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Speaker 16: have been utterly destroyed, may be a need for a
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Speaker 16: return trip.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was interesting hearing from Jonathan Conricus earlier
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Speaker 2: this hour about the fact that Israel has gone back
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Speaker 2: over the four Doah site just in the past few
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Speaker 2: hours and launched more hits on the site, so perhaps
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Speaker 2: to further obliterate it. So I guess we'll hear in
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Speaker 2: the coming days just the extent of the damage and
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Speaker 2: whether it has been destroyed. Colonel I want to ask
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Speaker 2: you as well. You just mentioned that the intricacies of
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Speaker 2: a thirty six or thirty seven hour flight for those
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Speaker 2: B two stealth bombers. What are some of the coordination
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Speaker 2: that needs to be involved for something like that, you know,
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Speaker 2: the refueling during the flight. This is a complex operation.
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Speaker 16: Highly complex, and of course I think there was something
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Speaker 16: like I may be wrong here, but around about one
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Speaker 16: hundred United States aircraft involved overall, in terms of the
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Speaker 16: actual bombers themselves, the refueling aircraft, the escort aircraft, aircraft
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Speaker 16: involved in suppression of air defense systems, all of that
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Speaker 16: coordinating that is enormous and not forgetting the coordination with Israelis,
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Speaker 16: who pretty much control the airspace over around these days
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Speaker 16: and have their own combat planes in the air as well.
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Speaker 1: And I think actually.
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Speaker 16: Two planning an operation like this, It's immensely detailed and
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Speaker 16: mensely complex, and it will have taken weeks to do it.
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Speaker 16: It's not something that President Drum suddenly woke up in
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Speaker 16: the morning and said, let's attack. This will have been
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Speaker 16: planned in coordinating with Israelis for probably for many many weeks,
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Speaker 16: if not months.
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Speaker 2: And I think Israel began its campaign.
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Speaker 16: Potentially, yes, I think, and certainly this kind of planning
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Speaker 16: would have taken place at least in outline. And it
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Speaker 16: kind of belies the narrative that some people were trying
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Speaker 16: to build up before the America suggesting it was division
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Speaker 16: between Israel and the United States with Netaniohu and Trump,
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Speaker 16: which very clearly was not true.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was rubbish. It's also interesting that the US
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Speaker 2: chose to just hit those three nuclear sites. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it could have gone after other missile launcher sites or
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Speaker 2: other military sites, but it chose to not do that.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that was the right call? Do you
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Speaker 2: think their action should have been a bit more expansive.
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Speaker 1: What they did was what they should have done.
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Speaker 16: And you know, the IDF has been in the air
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Speaker 16: perpetually for the last week over Iran, taking bits of
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Speaker 16: the regime out, taking out their ballistic missile capabilities, their launchers,
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Speaker 16: some of the as we know, some of the key
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Speaker 16: regime infrastructure, targets, air defense systems, all of that.
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Speaker 1: I think the IDEF forgot that.
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Speaker 16: I don't think they need United States Air Force to help,
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Speaker 16: but we shouldn't forget that the US Air Force has
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Speaker 16: been and the US Navy of course has been in
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Speaker 16: action for the whole of this campaign, helping to defend
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Speaker 16: Israel from ballistic missile attacks, from aurum drone attacks, and
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Speaker 16: not forgetting that the US anti air air defense launchers
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Speaker 16: are based inside Israel, the third in particular, that are
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Speaker 16: manned by American.
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Speaker 1: Soldiers protecting Israel.
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Speaker 16: So it's the US has been extensively involved since the
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Speaker 16: stop intelligence as well, it's been involved the start. I
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Speaker 16: think this was just one element of the campaign, and
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Speaker 16: I don't think the Americans to do more than what
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Speaker 16: they've done so far.
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Speaker 2: I so I want to ask you about the importance
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Speaker 2: of deception. You know, very cleverly, there were b two
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Speaker 2: bombers that were caught on flight trackers going in the
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Speaker 2: other direction, catching everyone off guard. Nedinna who has also
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Speaker 2: spoken about how crucial the element of surprise is. You know,
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Speaker 2: as a commander yourself, this does give you the advantage
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Speaker 2: having these roses this deception involved.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean apart from the actual kinetic action itself
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Speaker 16: from bombing something or hitting something with tanks or arteria
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Speaker 16: or whatever. Apart from that, the two most important elements
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Speaker 16: I think in warfare are first of all, intelligence, and
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Speaker 16: you've got to have the most precise intelligence to carry
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Speaker 16: out an operation like this, and secondly, a surprise. Surprise
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Speaker 16: in many cases, in many battles, in many engagements in history,
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Speaker 16: have turned around a situation that could have gone badly wrong,
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Speaker 16: but due to the surprise elements. And I think things
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Speaker 16: like President Trump saying I think it was a day
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Speaker 16: before this strike took place.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give it.
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Speaker 16: On up to two weeks now, that would have probably
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Speaker 16: led most people to believe he meant probably around about
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Speaker 16: two weeks, not about two or three hours.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Richard Kemp, Colonel, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Once again, Thank you so much. Welcome after the break
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Speaker 2: inside detail into this top secret mission. That's next. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's have a look now at some more detail about
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Speaker 2: the top secret mission to take out Iran's nuclear sites,
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Speaker 2: requiring one hundred and twenty five aircraft.
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Speaker 15: Jonathan Lee reports America's bat winged B two bombers worth
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Speaker 15: more than three billion Aussie dollars each return home to
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Speaker 15: Missouri from Operation Midnight Hammer.
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Speaker 17: The Middle East slept as seven bombers with fighter escorts
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Speaker 17: sliced through a ram's airspace As America for the first
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Speaker 17: time dropped its combusting bombs fourteen in total designed.
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Speaker 2: For just this mission. At least six hit.
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Speaker 17: Uranium in Richmond sited Fado buried in the mountain side.
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Speaker 17: Then they struck another at Nranz and Isfahan, a key
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Speaker 17: research base, was struck by missiles fired from a submarine.
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Speaker 6: It was an incredible and overwhelming success.
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Speaker 17: In the classic decoy, the Pentagon had declared its strike
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Speaker 17: weapons would be prepositioned to the Pacific of the ten
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Speaker 17: plane cent seven broke east. These pitches captured the situation
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Speaker 17: room during the thirty seven hour flight. Pilots in this
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Speaker 17: separate video had access to a toilet, microwave and snack cooler,
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Speaker 17: sleeping in rotations that met secret rendezvous points, upholding radio silence,
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Speaker 17: repueling in the air time and again.
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Speaker 18: More than one hundred and twenty five US aircraft participated
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Speaker 18: in this mission, multiple flights of fourth and fifth generation fighters,
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Speaker 18: dozens and dozens of air refueling tanker.
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Speaker 17: There's no confirmation yet of Iran's claims they had removed
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Speaker 17: in rich geranium before the strikes. Satellite images before and after, though,
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Speaker 17: give it some indication of the damage, at least on
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Speaker 17: the surface. Jonathan Lee Sky News, and.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Jonathan Lee for that report. Now tune in tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: It ate another massive show. And I've got that American
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Speaker 2: professor on tomorrow night who I mentioned. But stay tuned
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Speaker 2: now for Paul Murray.