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Jerez Erupts: Alex Márquez's Maiden Victory, Marc's Crash, and Quartararo's Resurgence! MotoGP Pit Talk · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Moto GP is back in Europe and the Spanish Grand
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  Speaker 1: Prix was full of surprises. Now I know I say
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  Speaker 1: that every episode, guys, but the Spanish Grand Prix had everything.
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  Speaker 1: Marquees was a name in the headlines. Not for the
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  Speaker 1: reason you may think though, and I cannot believe I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying this, but a Yamaha was on pole and on
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  Speaker 1: the podium, and we had two Aussies also in on
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  Speaker 1: the podium this weekend. We have got so much to
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  Speaker 1: catch up in this episode, and as always, this episode
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  Speaker 1: of Pittalk is brought to you by Shannons. I am
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  Speaker 1: your host, Rinita Vmulan, and joining me is the man
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  Speaker 1: who's got more hot takes than a Moto GP tire
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  Speaker 1: on a Spanish summer afternoon, Mister Matt Clayton. Matt, I
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  Speaker 1: am starting this podcast off with probably my favorite topic,
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  Speaker 1: Fabio Colorado on the Monster Energy Yamaha took Pole after
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty four days, led in both the
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  Speaker 1: Sprint and the rom Prix, and finished on the podium
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  Speaker 1: after five hundred and sixty days. Tell me was that
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  Speaker 1: on your Bingo card for twenty twenty five, No.
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  Speaker 2: Aita, It certainly wasn't It's funny as you were reading
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  Speaker 2: all of those numbers there. This is like terrible audio
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  Speaker 2: content for a podcast, but I'm just grinning because I
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  Speaker 2: always think Motor GP's in a better place when someone
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  Speaker 2: like Fabio is up the front competing for something meaningful.
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  Speaker 2: What was super interesting to me is that that's been
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  Speaker 2: something that Mark Marquees was keen to bring up after
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  Speaker 2: sprint race on Saturday, where Fabio crashed early on in
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  Speaker 2: that race, and Mark basically said, we need someone with
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  Speaker 2: Fabio's talent and the charisma to be up the front
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  Speaker 2: end Motor GP again. And also just to see Yamahar
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  Speaker 2: up there and look, Harath has been a huge circuit
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  Speaker 2: for him in the past, first pole in the World Championship,
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  Speaker 2: first pole in Motor GP, first time he led a
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  Speaker 2: race in his first season, won his first Motor GP
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  Speaker 2: race there in twenty twenty. But to see what he
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  Speaker 2: did on that qualifying lap on Saturday. When you get
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  Speaker 2: as old and cynical as I am, Anita, and you'll
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  Speaker 2: understand this in like twenty five years time, there's not
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  Speaker 2: much that really gets you out of your seat when
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  Speaker 2: you're watching stuff like this. You watch things in the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and as Kuaatero was going red sector red sector on
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  Speaker 2: that qualifying lap, I actually started laughing because it was
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  Speaker 2: so preposterous what he was doing on that bike and
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  Speaker 2: that pole position lap was to my mind, the moment
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  Speaker 2: of the year. It was unbelievable and you can only
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  Speaker 2: see the reaction of his team. They were all looking
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  Speaker 2: at each other saying, can you believe what this guy
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  Speaker 2: just did? And his rival was just shaking their head.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, we can believe it because this guy
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  Speaker 2: is so so talented. We've probably forgotten a bit about
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  Speaker 2: it because it has been so long because Yamaha's dropped
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  Speaker 2: so far behind the ball. But for one weekend at least,
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  Speaker 2: it was super nice to see someone with that much
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  Speaker 2: talent back up the front of the field and looking
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  Speaker 2: like he belonged again.
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  Speaker 1: No, honestly, for me the same thing. I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the edge of my sofa just going, I cannot
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  Speaker 1: believe that Fabio is doing this, because it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. We know, like you said that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a circuit that traditionally has suited the
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  Speaker 1: Yamahas and he has had great success here. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to say, guys, I don't know if you can
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  Speaker 1: hear this in the background, but I think there's someone
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  Speaker 1: doing some work near me right now, so I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to try and talk over this.
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  Speaker 2: I thought there was about of three race going on
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  Speaker 2: in your back yard. That's what it sounds like.
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  Speaker 1: To me from my end. But carry on perfect. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I am at the track, but no like for Fabio,
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  Speaker 1: seeing him on the qualifying see him leading the sprint
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  Speaker 1: for the two laps before you crash, and then in
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Prix for me, Matt, there was a hot
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  Speaker 1: minute there where I was going, can Fabio win this race?
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  Speaker 1: Can Fabio take the win here in HaRav Is this okay?
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  Speaker 1: I always tend to ask you these questions. Is this
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  Speaker 1: because it's a Yamahau suit of track that we saw
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  Speaker 1: Fabio closer to the front or was it Fabria just
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  Speaker 1: pulled something extra out this weekend?
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  Speaker 2: Bit of column a bit of columb and I'll introduce
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  Speaker 2: the column C here in that Yama house clearly making
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  Speaker 2: progress and we can see what they're doing behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, look a fantastic track for Quashurraro. We know
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  Speaker 2: historically he's really really good here her Wreath is funny
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  Speaker 2: in that you know, it's been on the calendar for
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  Speaker 2: so so long. Now it's one of those tracks Now
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  Speaker 2: that you see modern day motor GP machinery there and
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  Speaker 2: the speeds they're doing and the way they race, it
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  Speaker 2: almost looks a bit sort of outdated. It looks a
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  Speaker 2: bit small for MotoGP now, like it's awesome with the
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  Speaker 2: crowd and the atmosphere and the tradition and the history.
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  Speaker 2: But I was reading something on the weekend. I can't
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  Speaker 2: remember who tweeted this, so apologies to whoever it was,
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  Speaker 2: but they've said Herreth has become a bit like f
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  Speaker 2: One's Monaco for Murdo GP in that it's so narrow
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  Speaker 2: and it's got all the tradition in the history. It's
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  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult to pass there other than a couple of places,
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  Speaker 2: and it kind of feels like the sport has outgrown
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  Speaker 2: it a bit. But it's still so cool that we
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  Speaker 2: get to go back to a place like that. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm never a big fan in the narrative
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  Speaker 2: it oh, this season only starts when we gets Europe
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  Speaker 2: because we've had four rounds and all races have the
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  Speaker 2: same number of points obviously, but there's something special about
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  Speaker 2: that place at that time of year when the sun's
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  Speaker 2: out and it's ram with people and they're going nuts
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  Speaker 2: for the Spanish fans, and people are lighting firecrackers and
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of other oh and s things that probably
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't fly to Australia quite frankly. But no, Look, there
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  Speaker 2: was a time in that race that I did think
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  Speaker 2: considered to myself, like once Squatdurero had got through the
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  Speaker 2: first lap, and then obviously Marquez had fallen, which we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about a bit later, you're thinking, all right, one
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  Speaker 2: thing we know about Fabia, he doesn't make mistakes, so
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  Speaker 2: he's not going to hand this to someone. Someone's going
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  Speaker 2: to have to beat him. Yes, he threw it down
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  Speaker 2: the road in a sprint. You could see what was
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  Speaker 2: going on there. I don't think he necessarily cared so
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  Speaker 2: much about that. It's like I just enjoyed seeing go
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  Speaker 2: open road in front of me because it's been so long.
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  Speaker 2: But in the Grand Prix, you were going to have
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  Speaker 2: to beat him rather than him beating himself. And it's
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  Speaker 2: testament to and we'll get on too, Alex Marquez. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you know Alex Marquez has been this theoretical Grand
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  Speaker 2: Prix race winner for a while, but he hadn't done it,
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  Speaker 2: and so my thought was, all right, he's got to
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  Speaker 2: go in Quadurero, who is really, really difficult to pass.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the hardest guys to pass in BO
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  Speaker 2: to GP. And if you're Alex Marquez, you're thinking, my
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  Speaker 2: brother's out of the equation. I better win this one
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  Speaker 2: because there might not be too many other opportunities for
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  Speaker 2: me to do it. And it's actually testament Alex Marquez
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  Speaker 2: that he took the first real chance that he had
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  Speaker 2: and did it decisively. He didn't wait. I think that
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  Speaker 2: was pretty pivotal in the way he won that race.
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  Speaker 2: But staying on the Quaaterero theme, I think, to my mind,
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  Speaker 2: it's him, it's Peco, it's Mark obviously, and Jorge Martin.
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  Speaker 2: They're kind of the fourth the modern day aliens for me,
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  Speaker 2: like they are the guys. And we saw what Kuaaterero
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  Speaker 2: did in the first couple of years when he had
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  Speaker 2: the speed and the energy behind him. It not the experience.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's got the experience, hasn't had the machinery. But
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  Speaker 2: our caveat that by saying yet because It really feels
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  Speaker 2: to me like Yamahara starting to get it together, having
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  Speaker 2: Pramac this year, having that second team, two more bikes,
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  Speaker 2: two more bikes worth of data. Jack Miller has played
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  Speaker 2: a really important role there behind the scenes that shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be underestimated. It feels like the arrow for Yamaha, which
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  Speaker 2: has just been a flat line since he won that
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one title. He's finally starting to climb and
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  Speaker 2: I'm here for it because the more variety we can
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  Speaker 2: have out the front of the Ducatti Cup that motorgis
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  Speaker 2: to come lately, I'm all for it. And he's just
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  Speaker 2: absolute class when he's given something good to ride.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to touch back on what you said
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  Speaker 1: about the circuit there almost being quote unquote outdated. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that's why we saw that situation with Fabria
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  Speaker 1: when he did get passed by Mark and we saw
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  Speaker 1: that shaking almost like that dirty air because of the error,
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  Speaker 1: because of the size of the track, everything like that.
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  Speaker 1: But then count back to the amount of crashes that
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  Speaker 1: we had this weekend and fast crashes, I think is
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  Speaker 1: it more Beidelli crashing into the air fence causing the
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  Speaker 1: red flag? Alex Rins. Didn't he find a fracture or
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  Speaker 1: a crack in his wrist, even Miller crashing it in
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  Speaker 1: the weekend. Is that because of this circuit and because
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  Speaker 1: of how much the Meto GP bikes are progressing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think where you notice at most it's not
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  Speaker 2: even in the high speed zones. There's only really too
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  Speaker 2: straight to Herreth anyway, and they aren't super long. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it's the runoff at the end, off the side of
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  Speaker 2: the track at fast corners. You see where more Bedelli
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  Speaker 2: went off. Alex Marquez had a pretty decent size shunt
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  Speaker 2: on the Friday. You only realize how fast these things
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  Speaker 2: are going and how deep they are in the breaking
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  Speaker 2: zones when they crash, because when everyone's upright, you just
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  Speaker 2: take it for granted. But man, when someone comes off
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  Speaker 2: one of these things, those air fences are obviously there
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  Speaker 2: for a reason. It's crazy you think there weren't always
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  Speaker 2: air fences there, But it's the cornering speed of these
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  Speaker 2: things now and the effect of the dirty year just
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  Speaker 2: washing the bike out from underneath you before you even
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on. There are no small crashes there,
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  Speaker 2: and that's part of There's a few circuits when they
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  Speaker 2: made the announcement they were going to change to eight
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  Speaker 2: fifties for twenty twenty seven because the sport it felt
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  Speaker 2: that sport was outgrowing some of the circuits. The ones
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  Speaker 2: that came to mind for me were definitely Harrath, that
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  Speaker 2: first corner at Migello with that wall on when you're
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  Speaker 2: watching it on TV to the right hand side of
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  Speaker 2: your TV screen, the one that Mark nearly hit back
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  Speaker 2: in about twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. That's one of those
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  Speaker 2: ones that I always take a step back from the
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  Speaker 2: couch for because you're thinking, oh man, it's not going
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  Speaker 2: to take much for them to be a real problem there.
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  Speaker 2: There's some of these tracks that the bikes have gotten
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  Speaker 2: frankly too fast and too good for. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: problem for another day. Yeah herezom me. Yes, it's harder
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  Speaker 2: to pass. It's a bit one line that's pretty narrow
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  Speaker 2: with these bikes, but yeah, just a little bit small.
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  Speaker 2: And look, if there were ten of these sorts of
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  Speaker 2: circuits on the calendar, I think we'd have a problem.
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  Speaker 2: But it is a bit of a one of one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we're there. You certainly can't fault their passion
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  Speaker 2: in the atmosphere of the place and one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite moments of the weekend. I'm sure you've noticed this too,
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  Speaker 2: when the first few laps of the Grand Prix were
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  Speaker 2: on and there was that huge brawl at the front
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  Speaker 2: of the front of the race. You could hear the
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  Speaker 2: crowd over the bikes in those first couple of laps,
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  Speaker 2: and that. I love that sort of stuff because you
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  Speaker 2: know how invested everyone is to what's going on. And
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  Speaker 2: that first lap of that Grand Prix on Sunday was
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  Speaker 2: outrageously good. I did rewatch it three or four times
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  Speaker 2: the next day just to make sure I didn't miss
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  Speaker 2: everything because it was so much going on back in
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  Speaker 2: the pack. I was still so focused on the front.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, oh I missed that. I didn't realize that
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  Speaker 2: had happened. So, yeah, there was certainly a lot going
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  Speaker 2: on in that.
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  Speaker 1: First lap, wasn't There wasn't they even just Mark and
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  Speaker 1: Peco battle, then touching it. They're overtaking, you see Fabio
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  Speaker 1: then getting that little bit of a gap. You see
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  Speaker 1: Alex when he almost ran into his brother early on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: It reminded me of Peco and Martin end of last year.
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  Speaker 1: Malaysia where it's just that battle, that intensity. But then,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, yeah, there was the battles further back
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  Speaker 1: in the field when it did start to get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit boring at the end of the race where
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  Speaker 1: we could see Alex was clearly going to win. Spoiler
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  Speaker 1: alert there, guys, But yeah, we were seeing all those
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  Speaker 1: battles further back, and I think that's good. I think,
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  Speaker 1: like you're saying, this type of circuit does allow for
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  Speaker 1: a bit closer in the championship and not just be
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  Speaker 1: Aju catty Cup and then the best of the rest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. And it's funny too, like you come back
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  Speaker 2: to somewhere like Herreth. You think of some of the
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  Speaker 2: places we've been in the first few rounds. Qatar's one
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  Speaker 2: of these massive modern Tilka dromes, as you know, with
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  Speaker 2: crazy facilities and massively wide straits and access roads. Circuit
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  Speaker 2: of the America's in Austin is Formula one track that
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  Speaker 2: motor GP just goes to. So it's big and open
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  Speaker 2: and the lapse almost a bit too long. Frankly, it
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  Speaker 2: sort of league is a bit it doesn't it strings
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  Speaker 2: the field out too much. And there's something about her
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  Speaker 2: Reth with it being compact and a bit mad in
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  Speaker 2: the first couple of laps. That definitely gets the heart
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  Speaker 2: rode up. So I'm definitely here for that.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder the fans and the stadium and then the
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  Speaker 1: hillsides which just packed out this weekend. It was sorry
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  Speaker 1: cool to see in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: At about six am where they all turn up as
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  Speaker 2: well their using their torches out of their iPhones to
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  Speaker 2: see where they hell they're going. That was fantastic to
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  Speaker 2: see that, So so cool, so cool.
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  Speaker 1: But let's move on to Mark Marquez. Because the man,
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  Speaker 1: the myth, the legend, Mark Marquez. When he crashed this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: I thought about what you've said in previous podcasts where
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  Speaker 1: the only person who can stop Mark Marquez is Mark Marquez.
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  Speaker 1: To me that crash during the race, I'm probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: get plaster sent. This kind of felt really silly. It
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  Speaker 1: kind of felt like because Mark knew how he knows
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  Speaker 1: the track, he knows himself, he knows the bike, it
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  Speaker 1: kind of felt like it was just where he was
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  Speaker 1: pushing too much but maybe also put a bit too
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  Speaker 1: much pressure on himself to succeed here. I know it's
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  Speaker 1: the circuit where it could also be on his mind
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  Speaker 1: because that's the corner that he crashed on. Was the
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  Speaker 1: corner where he did damage his arm back in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was where it nearly ended his career.
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  Speaker 1: But is it because Okay, is it because Mark doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know the limit yet on the Duke Caddy because that
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  Speaker 1: Jewcaddy is just so good? Or was it Mark feeling
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  Speaker 1: pressure of having to succeed here in her earth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know about the pressure. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: he still have to remember he's only five Grand Prix
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  Speaker 2: and two recent season tests into riding this particular bike
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  Speaker 2: and he hasn't it sounds like a silly thing to
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  Speaker 2: say he hasn't crashed it enough yet to know where
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: the libits are because every Saturday he goes out and
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  Speaker 2: generally takes poland always takes a sprint winlets. That's what's
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  Speaker 2: happened this year, so he doesn't necessarily know where the
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: libits are. We know what happened in Austin and he
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: ran too much across the curb was still wet from
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: the rain before the race. That was explainable, so perhaps
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: he's still poll needs to sort of build the data
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: bang up of where the limits of this thing are
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: on different types of quarters, the sort of thing he
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  Speaker 2: never used to think about with the Honda because he
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: knew that bike inside out and you as you remember,
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  Speaker 2: he would always crash his Honder but it always be
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  Speaker 2: in practice. He'd never actually do it in a qualifying
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  Speaker 2: or in a race. It was always in practice. He'd
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  Speaker 2: find the limits and then stay just this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sendime to wide side of the right side of that limit.
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  Speaker 2: So perhaps it's a bit of an experience necessarily with
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  Speaker 2: that bike. Maybe a little over confidence quite frankly, because
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  Speaker 2: you saw what he had done. I mean, qualifying, he
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  Speaker 2: got beaten by an otherworldly lap by a fantastic rider,
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  Speaker 2: but he was right there. Sprint race, just cleared off
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  Speaker 2: and won that once Fabio was out of the way.
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  Speaker 2: So perhaps a little over confidence. But saying spoiler alert
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  Speaker 2: before and you don't know this, I'm going to spring
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  Speaker 2: this on you now because I am a maniac with
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: this sort of stuff. I decided I was going to
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: go through every lap righter, every lap time of every
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  Speaker 2: rider in the race to see where Mark's stacked up,
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  Speaker 2: because I I needed new hobby, clearly. But what I
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: wanted to know was once Mike Market fished the bike
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  Speaker 2: out of the gravel trap on lap three, and given
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  Speaker 2: how broken that thing was, that was the thing I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't believe. The side of it looked like it had
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  Speaker 2: just been ripped apart by Freddy Krueger, and it was
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  Speaker 2: missing all the aerodynamic devices down the left hand side,
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  Speaker 2: which is a huge thing with the way these bikes
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  Speaker 2: handled these days. And I thought, all right, with a
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  Speaker 2: bike that you could have possibly parked it, given how
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  Speaker 2: broken it was, how did his lap times stack up?
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  Speaker 2: And here's the stat for you for the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the race. He only lost eight tenths of a second
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  Speaker 2: to the race leader over the last twenty one laps
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  Speaker 2: while passing ten other riders with a bike that was
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  Speaker 2: probably broken. So if you ever wanted to know how
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  Speaker 2: good Mark Marquez was, and we don't, we've seen this
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: story a million times. Eight tenths of a second in
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: twenty one laps with a broken bike and advancing from
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: twenty second to twelve. That was just testament to how
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: much he has in reserve over the rest of these guys.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: But you might have seen these comments. They sort of
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: came out a bit afterwards. He said his fastest lap
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: of the race on lap seventeen. Everyone else in that
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: front group set their fastest laps of the race in
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: the first three or four laps when their tires were
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: brand new, So Mark had that much in reserve with
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: a broken bike and old tires. But what was interesting
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: is afterwards he said he got to a certain point
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: with about five laps to go, and he started thinking
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: about twenty twenty at the same track as you alluded
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: to before, and if you look at his lap times,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: he immediately drops out of the thirty sevens and goes
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: back into the thirty eighths. He said, there was a
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: group ahead of me, but I thought about twenty twenty
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: and I thought, okay, I will not exaggerate was his term,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I will not crash. So in old Mark would have
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: tried to go from twelfth to eighth in the last
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: three or four laps and possibly crashed. Twenty twenty five
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: spec Mark is like, no, I've got back to twelfth,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I've shown my pace. I've at least got some points
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: out of this, and I will live to fight another day.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: And that, to me is the evolution of Mark, because
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the old Mark wouldn't have been able to resist his
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: instincts to go and do something perhaps a bit crazy,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: and if there's anywhere that is a painful remind of
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: what happens when you have a stepped the market's wrath.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: And I can imagine he's having that internal conflict. It's like, yeah,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: but these guys are just up the road, I can
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: do that, and his right shoulder is going I wouldn't
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: have thought, so, no chance. You've had four operations because
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: of what you did to me five years ago. We're
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: not doing this again. So he's probably got this internal
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: conflict going on, and in the end he kept his
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: powder dry and lift to fight another day.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny though, because like the old Marquees, like
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: you're saying, would almost go through and use the other
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: riders as the marker get to get to push out
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: of the way, like I'm going to just ram into
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: you or whatever. But yeah, this new Marquez is a
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: little bit older and wiser, shall we say, but talking
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: a stat so I'm going to shout out our friend
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Simon Patterson here. I was listening to him. He was
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: saying that he showed Luke Marini a photo of Marquez's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: bike on the side and Luke Marini goes, oh, that
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: would cause him to be about five kilometers now slower,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and Simon went back and checked the speeds and it
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: was right, Marquees with that was five kilometers an hour slower,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and then you see him go from twenty second to twelve.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: The man is phenomenal.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: With a bike that's got no performance on the strait,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: so he's having to make it all up in the quarters,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and he's having to make it all up under breaking
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: because down the straight you've got like a wind blowing
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: through the middle of the bike where half the side
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of the thing's been torn off and left in a
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: gravel trap. So, yeah, I did hear those comments from Simon.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I went back and looked at the speed trap and yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: he was in the low to mid two nineties for
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: most of the race and the other decadeyes, like de
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: jan Antonio was at three hundred. So he's shipping time
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: down the straits. That's free time having to make it
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: up elsewhere. But ye as you said, the man's a genius.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: The man's a genius. So let me ask you this then, Now,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: two DNFs in five Grand prixs, we know he's the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: sprint king, so far this season. Is this hindering his
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: championship or is this just another bump in the road
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: for Marquez.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: It's funny, like my first thought was to go back
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: to twenty fifteen, the title that he didn't win, the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: only one he didn't win in those first seven seasons fifteen.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: We don't need to discuss what happened to the end
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: of twenty fifteen. We've probably dicussed Malayia twenty fifteen about
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty times on this podcast. But you
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: go back and look at that season. He lost that
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: championship not because he was slower, It's because he crashed
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: away too much. And there were four guys, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: that was the two factory Honda and the two factory
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Amaha guys that season. Marquez by himself crashed more than
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Lorenzo Rossi and Danny Pedrosa combined that season. So that
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: was a championship that he threw away by not being
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: able to pull it up at the limits. And so
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the difference between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty five is
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: if you have a non scoring weekend in a Grand
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Prix in twenty fifteen, you end up with zero at
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the moment. There's twelve extra points on offer for Mark
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: every Saturday in a sprint, and so far in twenty
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: twenty five there's a maximum of sixty points in sprints,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and he's won sixty points. So you can water down
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the effects of a crappy Grand Prix or you know
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Austin where he was leading and then crashed, only took
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: four points out of her earth and the Grand Prix.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: The reason he's still where he is in the championship
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: is because he's unbeatable on Saturdays, and that's the card
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: he's got to play this time that he didn't have
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: ten years ago. So the sprints, now he's finally got
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: his groove. You mad to think he hadn't won a
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: sprint before this year and now he can't lose one.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing that he's now got in his
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: back pocket in that you can still leave her and go, well, look,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: i still won the sprint, and I still qualified second
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: on the grid, and I've still got some points out
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: of the Grand Prix. So yes, he's not leading the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: World championship. That's the story. After five rounds. It's pretty
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: crazy to think that a guy who's won eight out
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: of the ten starts this year is not leading the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: World Championship. But this is how it's going to be
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: for Mark this year. This won't be the last time
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that he throws it down the road in a race
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: or does something silly, but he's so fast when he's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: actually upright on the bike, and particularly qualifying that. Getting
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: back to the earlier point, who can beat him for
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the World Championship, I think only he came because none
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: of these other guys either have the machinery or the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: pace or both to be able to be on terms
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So, as you said, the Mark is no longer leading
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the points tally in the championship fight. And I mentioned
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: in the preview that it was another Marquez in the headlines,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and that's because Alex Marquez has finally won a Grand
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Prix race. History was made with the Marquez brothers being
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the first brothers to have won a Grand Prix, which
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I think is pretty cool for MotoGP. And like I said,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Alex is back leading the championship's standings. Now for me
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not to take anything away from Alex because he's won
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a Grand Prix, but even he said when I was
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: reading on MotoGP dot com, that okay, when Mark's crashed out,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: now it's my opportunity to be the stronger writer. Do
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you agree with that?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Oh? Completely? I think you can see the way he
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: rode that race and he said afterwardss like, I've got
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: everybody else's measure here this weekend except for the guy
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: who I share the same surname as. And he's out
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of the picture now. Whether he climbs out of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: gravel trap and comes home, he's not a factor for
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the victory now. And so this was his day. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: you look at what Alex has done this year. That
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: GP twenty four is clearly very very sortied. The twenty five.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen it anywhere near at ceiling year,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and it'll get there at some point. But Alex knows
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: he's on a good bike. He's in really, really good form.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I think his consistency has been outstanding the whole year.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: In a straight head to head fight, nine and a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: half times out of ten, he's probably not beating Mark,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: But Mark's out of the equation. He had to win
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that Grand Prix, not because you'll never get another chance,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: but he's never going to get a better chance than that.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Now that that box has ticked, and it's a box
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: has been unchecked for so so long now since he
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: came in in twenty twenty. The next thing he needs
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to do and he'll want to do, is he'll want
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to try and beat Mark in a head to head.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And you know we've seen them have a couple of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you know, Grand Prix this year where thy land Mark
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: was kind of playing with everybody because he needed to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: drop behind and get the tire pressure up and could
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: just pass Alex at will. Argentina wasn't as cruzy as that,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Like you could see our hard Mark was pushing in
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Argentina to get back on terms with Alex in that race.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So there will be more races like Argentina down the track,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I think where Alex will have a chance to really
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: sort of plant his flag against his brother. What's super
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: interesting for me, and I'm sure you've thought this too.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: We know in a fight how ferocious Mark is. You
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: can't tell me that in that situation, Mark's just going
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: to go, oh, yeah, that's just another guy. Like there's
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: got to be something in the back of your mind.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, this is my little brother. You know. Mark's
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: always been like one of Alex's biggest supporters in terms
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of his credibility and needing to be a motor GP.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: We haven't seen that completely gloves off between the two
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of them where you feel it's an equal fight yet,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: But that's one of the things I'm looking forward to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: for the rest of this season, and probably sooner rather
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: than later, before that GP twenty five gets sorted. It's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: going to happen at some point because Alex is writing
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the best he's ever ridden, and we know how good
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Mark is when he's staying up right, So I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that's one that we'll see sooner rather than later. I'm
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: so interested to see the dynamic between the two of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: them in that situation, because I don't know. If you're
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Alex marqueerres like, nobody expects you to win that head
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to head, right, everyone expects that big Bro is going
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to put you in your place. It's an awesome position
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: for Alex to be in because if you lose, everyone's
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: going to say, oh, well, we expected you to lose.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You were supposed to lose. But if you win, that's
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a victory that is worth way more than just one
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: win and twenty five points because you stared down one
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of the greatest to ever do it, and certainly the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: best guy on this year's Grit. And if you managed
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to beat him in a straight fight, that's massive credibility
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: for Alex, isn't it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I think Mark being Mark and being how competitive he is,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And this is from experience of having a competitive brother
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: who never let me win anything. Ever, I think that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Mark won't back down, but it will deal it with
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a smile on his face. I think Mark will be like, no, no,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like we're doing this. We're doing this, but the whole
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: time he is going to relish and love every minute
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: of it. And I also think for Alex, if he
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: does win and get that head to head and it
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: goes his favor, I think it'll be Alex stamping his
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: foot here and going, no, I do deserve to be here.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not just Mark's brother, I am my own.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: And isn't it funny, Like you said before that the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: first pair of brothers who win Grand Prix, it's so
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: interesting because there's not you can't look back at this
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and go, oh, yeah, this was just like when X
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and Y were going against each other in nineteen ninety
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: two or nineteen eighty four or whatever. This is an
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: unprecedented situation where, yes, we've had siblings in Boda GP before,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: they've never both been on the best bike at the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: same time, and they certainly haven't been sharing podiums all
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the time. And you think of that podium last year
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: at Saxon Ring when they were both on the podium.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: That was the first time we'd had brothers on the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: podium since I think it was the Ioki brothers, like
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: way way back in the day, like twenty thirty years ago.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Now seeing the two of them on the podium just
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: looks normal. It's not an outlier at all. So you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the next the elevator step of that is like what
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: happens if they start fighting one another for wins? Now
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you expect there's going to be some other guys getting
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in the way of that, like you know, Pecovnaira and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Couaaterero if it's more than just a one weekend thing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But pretty interesting narrative, isn't it One we didn't see coming.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think I definitely didn't see it. I honestly
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: thought this year was going to be Mark and Peco,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Mark and Peco the whole time, and now it's a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: good seguay for us to get onto Peco because this weekend,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: for me, it felt like Pecko was very vocal. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: don't know if you felt the same with this map,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but watching in park Firma after qualifying quick to point
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: out on the broadcast, Oh, the Marquers brothers. They exited
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: pit lane under a red flag. You know, straight after
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the race. It was like, oh, I'm not happy with
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: this performance. I had never seen this side of Peco
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: before where he is so vocal. What's your thoughts on that?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Pecko to me, and we've sort of you know, you
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: you called him the professor of many podcasts ago and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I always think of that when you talk about this.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Pecko's the sort of guy. He kind of mentioned it
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a bit in the post race on Sunday, where Mark
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: will just get on something and write it. He said,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: like Mark can ride everything. Pecko's got this wire between
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: his brain and he's right wrist where unless he completely
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: understands what's going on with the bike and he can
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: get everything just so like just how he likes it,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: there's like a disconnect with the level of trust and belief,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: like Pecko wants to understand what's going to happen, and
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: then go out and try and make it happen. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I've always said that if every race was held in
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the laboratory, Pecko probably never lose because once you remove
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: all of the variables, we've seen how incredibly good he is.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: We saw it all of last year in the year before,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and that he had this methodical way of working through
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a Grand Prix weekend, and that you look at first
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: practice on Friday and go, Pecko's fourteenth. It's like, that's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a bit rubbish, Like you do that every Friday. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: then he'd get into Q two and he'd be like
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: seventh or eighth, that was a bit underwhelming. And then
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he'd come out on Saturday and you go, oh, okay,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: because he'd taken all the data from Friday night and
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: he poured over that, and I can break a bit
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: deeper into this corner, and I can get on the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: throttle a bit earlier. In this corner. He builds his
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: understanding and then he executes the understanding. Whereas Marko ride
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: around with a bike missing half of its arrow and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: shredded like a cheese great as attack the thing, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: he would still do what he did on Sunday. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: love the way that both these guys are coming at
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the same conclusion from totally different angles. And I think
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the thing for Peco at the moment, he's frustrated in
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that it's not a matter that he understands what the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: issues are with the bike and he's just not fixing them.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's got an understanding of what it
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: is that's bothering him on this particular bike relative to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: last year, and it's the not knowing that's bothering him,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and it's the not knowing that's causing him to maybe
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: not second guess himself. But he doesn't completely believe yet
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in what the bike is doing because he's got a
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: lot of questions about it. Now, will the bike get
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: better and will they gain more knowledge on that? Yes,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But at the moment it just encapsulates the way he
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: goes racing. He's a guy who uses his brain, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and I mean this in an endearing way. He uses
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: his brain in a way that he wants to understand
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: what he's got at his disposal, and then once he
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: gets that. We've seen race weekends where he is completely untouchable.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We saw it last year. A couple of race weekends
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: where it looked like the others were in a different class,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: where he'll be on pole, he'll win the first lap
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and then you don't see him and he makes no
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: mistakes and you almost forget he's in the race, and go, oh,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Pecko won by four seconds, because that's the way Pecko
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: likes to go racing. At the moment, he doesn't have
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the confidence in what he has underneath him to be
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: able to go and do that. So I think it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: just a bit of frustration, bit of touchiness. I mean,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: it's got to be playing on his mind that a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: guy has come into his team and I'll use that
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: in air quotes and won all of these races early on.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But I think the key thing for me, and this
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: is an underrated part of his season so far, it's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the best actual start to a season he's ever had
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: in terms of consistent results. He's only twenty points off
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the championship lead. It feels like he's sixty points off
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the championship lead. He's right there because Mark squandered some points.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Peco hasn't left too much on the table at the moment.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: So in terms of your championship position, he's in a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: really good position points wise, it just doesn't feel like
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it because we haven't had the high points this year
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: so far.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: No, you're right there, it doesn't feel like it. I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: think coming back to what I was kind of asking,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: was it just feels like because he is so down
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that you forget. Yeah, he is fighting for that top
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: step in the points tally right now. I was looking
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: at the post test because they had a test there
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: on Monday in Herrath and it said that he's found
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of improvements. So maybe this alludes to what
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you're saying there. It's that he's not entirely comfortable, not
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: feeling a hundred cent on the bike, but like you said,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: struggling to find those improvements because we know this year
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: they're on like a GP twenty four point one, Like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they're not on a GP twenty five at all?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Are they twenty four points? Subthing? They get changes over
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the course of the race weekend. But you hit on
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: an important point there. There's so little testing in Moto
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: GP through the season, right there's only three in season tests.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: The twenty four that Alex is on are doing so
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: well on. I wouldn't say that's completely frozen. But there's
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: not going to be a whole even new stuff going
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to that bike. The twenty four point eight nine twenty five,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell it is cool the twenty five. The
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: twenty five is going to get better over the course
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: of the season because they're going to keep bringing developments
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: to it to make it faster, and it's going to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: be up to Alex Marquez to The gap between the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: twenty four and the twenty five in terms of machinery
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: is only going to increase, So Alex is going to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and Franka Morberdelli they're going to have to really step
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: up what they're doing on a bike that's kind of
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: reached the end of its development cycle. The twenty five
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is going to get better, and I think as it
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: gets it's better. I think you'll see Pecko start to rise.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I still think it's a championship to be fought out
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: between the two factory Decady teammates the fact that Peko's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: been a bit sort of bar so far and he's
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: only nineteen points behind Mark. That's like a massive win
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: for these first five rounds for me.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes clear sense. Like I think the next
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: test is Aragon, so it's only three or four races away,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and then they're having another test, another test, another test again.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So I do agree we're going to start to see
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that difference. Is this kind of where we're going to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: see Alex Marquez maybe not necessarily having that chance to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: fight with his brother or be he's going to be
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: on the podiums at some of these events, like we
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: know that, but also so as ferminality gay because we're
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: seeing him fight closer to the front, we're seeing the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: VR forty six machines. There is this where we're going
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to see that jump and Pecko is going to be
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: definitively up the top more often.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think once the bike gets better
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and he begins to understand it more. I mean we're
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: still super early in the season, right, still seventeen rounds
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: to go, Like you forget about that. Seventeen rounds used
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to be the entire Motor GP season back in the day.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: But it feels like we're like four hundred races in already.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because every weekend's got to No, I know
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: what you mean. It does feel like that. It's like
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: all the lights are going out again, but the other
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: guy to keep an eye on for me in that
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: same boat as Degen Antonio because he's also ot A
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: twenty five and he has been a bit He's been okay.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: We know that he was super compromised after the preseason
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and hurting himself again and everything else. He's a guy
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: that I expect to move forwards, and not that I'm
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: peering into the crystal ball too much. I reckon he
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: wins a Grand Prix or two before the end of
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: this year, because he's going to be to me in
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the back half of the season. He'll be the guy
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that's there like Alex has been at the moment on
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the days where Mark drops the ball or Pecko's a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: bit off or whatever it is. To Jen, Antonio is
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: going to have the machinery. He's getting better physically week
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: by week. I expect that he will rise as the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: season goes on, because let's be honest, if you're going
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to win a Motor GP race, you want to be
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: on a decaddy. There's only six of them this year,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and he's got one of the better ones, so I
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: do think he'll be coming forwards.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Let's talk on the other writer who's kind of just
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: been there these last two races. Maverick Vinalas leading the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: way for KTM this weekend, finished fourth in Sunday's Grand Prix. Obviously,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Brad Binder and Pedro Acosta not far behind. I think
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: they were sixth and seventh. Maverick said he found a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: balance in the KTM this weekend. And obviously we spoke
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: about this in the previous part. It's bat mav that
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here, but it seems like Maverick's the
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: only writer who's really saying the positive things about the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: RC sixteen this season.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't that? Like Brad Binder like to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: take our listeners behind the curtain here. Brad Binder is
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: lovely guy, you know, good English speaker, friendly and what
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: have you. Never gives you too much as far as
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the press stuff goes like. He's very sort of straight
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: up and down, which is the way he is, whether
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: he wins all losers. I appreciate the consistency with Brad,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: but he's never going to really wear his heart on
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: his sleeve with these sorts of things. Pedro Acosta and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: now that's an interesting story because you're wondering how keen
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: he is to be there and there's offers from elsewhere,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. Maverick Vinale is it's
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: not that the fact that the glasses half full. For
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Maverick at the moment, the glass is so full that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: it's spilling over the sides and he's got to go
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and get another one because he's just so optimistic about
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: everything at the moment. Because we know that when things
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: are good for Maverick, he tends to ride the emotional
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: rollercoaster a little bit, super confident, super happy to be there.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: And so the question after Katar Qatar is one of
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: those race weekends where we go, well, here's one of
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: our two weekends a year where Maverick Vanillas looks like
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the greatest Bodo GP rider of all time. I fully
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: expected him to go, oh yeah, Maverick Vinalez was in
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the race. When I look down the classification at the
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: end of the race and oh, he's thirteenth or something,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and you expected that to be there. He was really
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: really good all weekend and the line that you just
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: said before that I kind of grinned at when you
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: said it. He was the best KTM over the course
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of the weekend. And what was so funny at the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: start of the year is that you're thinking, all right,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a Costas in the main team. He's the young he's
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the young guy. He's got all the talent. We know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: he's got all the belief. He's got a great benchmark
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: in binder because we'll find out how good a Costa
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: is because Binda is such a proven commodity. And then
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you had Bastini and Vignales at Tech three, who both
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: aren't shall we say renowned for being able to be
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: that versatile in the way they go racing. Like Bastianini's
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: got his one trick, which is to be rubbish at
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: qualifying and there'd be amazing with entire life in the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: race and overtake everybody in the last few laps. It's
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: how he's won pretty much every race he's won. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Vignales is a guy that it took him so long
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to do anything on an Aprillia, then he got to Aprilia,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: finally had some good results and then left because he's
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Maverick Vinalees. So the fact that he has emerged is
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the sort of shining light for KTM. It's been a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: weird six months or for KTM with on a lot
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of counts but the fact that you said, oh, yeah,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Maverick Vinalez is the most convincing ktm rid right now.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: It's okay, sure, because I'm prepared to believe anything with
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Maverick because when it's good, it's very very good.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Mapic, that's Batman in a nutshell. That is him.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: But you mentioned Pedro Acossa there. The news came out
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: post Monday's test that he had They're calling it a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: surprising surgery to treat chronic compartment syndrome in his right forum.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And is him pump Yeah, yeah, that's why I was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: just like it is arm Palm saying that he's expected
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to return for the French Grand Prix, which we know
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is in not this weekend, the following weekend in May, mom,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and that we in May already. Do you think that
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: him struggling with his arm pub Is this the reason
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: why Pedro hasn't been where we've thought he has been
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: so far this season? Or is it because of the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: drama going on katm and the other offers, et cetera,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: et cetera.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, one of the best things about
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Pedro Acosta is that he's very impatient for success and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: One of the worst things about Pedro Acosta is that
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: he's very impatient for success. And he's five races into
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: racing for katm's full factory team. He's got the big promotion,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: he's been with them forever, and he's not super happy
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: right now. He's very, very, very frustrated, and because he
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: had this crazy sort of performance curve to get into
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Motor GP in the first place, like one motor three
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: really quickly, one motor two really quickly. The impatience is
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: what makes him great, but the impatience is what is
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: probably hurting him right now because every press debrief that
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: he does, and if Bike's had body language, you could
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: see this as well. You could feel the frustration because
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: he wants to be up the front right now and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about this like this just
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: needs to happen, and so look the arm pumped thing.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: These guys go through this all the time. Anyways. I'm
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: not sure it's a huge drama in that respect, but
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: there's a soup. There's just a really heightened level of
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: frustration with him because how rapid his rise has been
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: through the junior classes, and the impatience is what makes
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: him great. But right now, that's not a bike that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: it's not a race winning or race contending victory contending
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: bike because it's not a Ducati. So if you're him,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you've been with KTM all the time, there's all this discussion.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Do you try and get out of that contract? Do
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: you try and get on a satellite? Satellite? Do you Catti?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It's going to cost a lot to buy and out
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of that contract. The only place he could probably go
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: with BVR forty six. Do VR forty six have the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: money to buy out a KTM factory contract? Spoiler, No,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they don't. If they were to move for a cost,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that would mean Valentino Rossi, you'd have to get rid
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: of Franko morber Delhi because he's the one on the
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: shorter contract and he's a Rossi protege all of that.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: So that's another factor. And then the other question is
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you've seen his name linked with Honda, which is interesting
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to me because again it's not going to solve Pedro's
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: impatience next week, but Honda with a new rule set
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: coming in, and you know they'll throw every available resource
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: at that thing. If there was a factory that was
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: going to get twenty twenty seven, right, that's not right
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: at the front. Right now, I'd put a fair bit
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of money on Honda because you know they're not going
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to die wondering with this thing. The problem is Acosta
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: is impatient because something's not happening now. Having to sell
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: him on a vision, it's like, oh, can you just
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: ride around in circles until twenty twenty seven when we
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: might be good. I'm not sure that's going to make
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: him feel any better either. So yeah, he is a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: very very frustrated young man at the moment, and we
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: know how good he is. But it's just the fact
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: of modern day motor gp that unless you get Fabio
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Couaderrara on a Yabaha at Herreth, which is a perfect
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: marriage of a lot of things, it's hard to see
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: how this gets any better for anyone not riding a
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: ducaddi for the short term.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: When Marquez made the change from Honda to ju Caddie,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I was god smacks because I didn't think he would
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: ever leave Honda because it felt like he was so
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: loyal to them. This is my question then, to you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: with Pedro a Costa, because like you mentioned that, it
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: was KTMKTM KTM through everything. Does he feel like he's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: tied to them? Do you think? Or is he is?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: He just wants to win no matter what.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Look, there's probably there's probably some element of loyalty to
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a degree because they've brought him through and a Heio
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: has been prominent with that. It would be a hard
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: thing for him to do to say, look, I can't
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: wait for this, but he's what twenty twenty one or whatever.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The difference between the difference between Mark leaving Honda was
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: that Mark had had an incredible amount of success there
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and he had finally got himself back to a point
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: physically where he was of the opinion that it's not
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: my body that's holding me back anymore. I think it's
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: my machinery that's holding me back. And the only way
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to answer that question is
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to leave. And it's an easier decision for Mark to
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: make when he's in his thirties and he's won six
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: MOTORGP World titles and has a lot of money, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: so you know, I appreciate the fact that Mark has
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: said I'm prepared to take a massive paker and go
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and ride for a satellite team to see if I've
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: still got it, and the answer is unequivocally yes. After
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: these last couple of seasons. It's hard for you and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I are to tell a twenty year old who's got
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: ambitions of winning multiple Motor GP World Championships to be
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: patient the KTM thing. There's some stuff going on behind
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the scene, which we've talked about and I've written about
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: on Fox sports dot com dot A you about the
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: financial situation there in At the moment, it doesn't necessarily
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: look like it's going to be getting better quickly, like
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: it might be one where you have to write it
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: out and be a little bit patient. So he's got
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to decide to stay with what he has and go
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: through the end of this rule cycle until twenty seven,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: or to try and get out, probably at some sort
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: of financial cost. And then you're taking like it's not
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a total shot in the dark, if you know what
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, But it is a bit of a gamble,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: because what if you hit your wagon too Honda for
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: twenty seven and they go, oh, look, we've got an
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: ok bike for twenty seven, but it's going to be
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: two more years until we get back there. Right now,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: A cost is frustrated after five races, He's not going
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to want to be frustrated for four years, so it's
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: a really interesting one for him. I like the fact
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that he cares enough that he's frustrated about the results.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: But there's a longer lens that probably needs to be
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: looked at here, because you don't want to jump too
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: early at something and then regret it. Because motor GP's
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: history is full of guys that have done that well, speaking.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: On like jumping to things and regretting. I want to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: talk about Yamaha with their engine because over the weekend
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: we heard a lot from Augusto Fernandez, who's filling in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: for Miguel Olivera. And while we know that the Yamaha
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: boys are pretty much told not to talk about the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: V four or where that, Augusto was just like, yeah,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to share everything that I know. So
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: we know that they tested on Monday a new version
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of the Inline four, which I heard both Fabio and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Jack Miller because Jack didn't have the best weekend this weekend,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: but we heard on Monday that there's new updated Inline Force.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Seems to be heading in the right direction. Jack even
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: said something like they're giving us what we've asked for.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: But then I heard the talks about the V four
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and there's that rumor that it could be debuting this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: year at one of the races. I think Mattegi maybe
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Augusto said. Then I heard Fabio saying, yeah, but I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: might not even like it, or it might not even
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: suit me, and then even said I might not even
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: be there. Then watch your take on that is is
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this updated version of the inline for what Yamaha need,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: but also this whole V four thing. Thinking about it, Fabio,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: who's only ridden for the Yamaha's Emoto GP, He's going
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to have to go and change his whole writing style everything.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: We know that Maverick struggled when he went from Yamaha across.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: How's that going to work? Because there's so much with
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: an engine. It's not just changing one thing, right, yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: everything with that bike.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: That point you made then about Fabio only having experience
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: with riding a Yamaha for his entire Motor GP career,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and we forget twenty nineteen eight. He came in, He
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: came in as a super super young guy. There's a
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: bit with Fabio with this V four thing. It's not
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: an obsession with his But it's one of those things
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: that if everyone else has got something different to you
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and it seems to be good, then these guys are like, well,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I want that because that seems to be working. The
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: problem is you've got all these other manufacturers that are
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: super experienced with V four's. It's unrealistic to think that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yamaha will produce a V four that they're willing to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: race that's instantly going to be able to compete with
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Ducati and KTM, And it's not a realistic thing. So
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: is it one of those two steps back to take
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: one step forwards? Things? Eventually in the long run it
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: might be better. But if you're Fabio and you have
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to go and unlearn a lot of stuff that you've
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: done with Yamaha for the potential of a greater upside
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a long way down the track, that's a tough one
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to swallow because we know how good the guys twenty
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: twenty one World champion had a huge lead halfway through
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: twenty two before you Yamaha just got out developed really
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: by Ducati, and we know what's happened since. What was interesting?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I also read those comments after the Hareth test and
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: it sounds like the bike's quicker in a straight line,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: gets out of the corners faster would if you're Fabio,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: do you want smaller incremental improvements with a sort of
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: proven commodity of an engine like they've been running and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you know you're starting from a base of whatever that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: basis and you're moving forward or you prepared to go, well,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: let's throw all that in the bin for this mythical
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: V four that might come on and be absolutely fantastic.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned before there's a key part in all
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: of this in the Augusto Fernandez, who I'm sure was
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: given a bit of addressing down by the Yamaha Comm's
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: department afterwards, like could you just stop being so honest please,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: A gustou In these press briefings, the thing that I
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: had read you've probably read the same is that he
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: will wildcut that at Motigi. That's going to be so
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: interesting in terms of Motiki. Is a weird track. Let's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: be honest. There's nowhere like it on the calendar. But
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: they'll be looking at things like speed trap figures, how
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the thing gets out of the corner, is what the
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: balance is like? Because Tho's in a good place I
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: reckon in terms of he's not super like young and inexperience.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: He's a guy who's been around himTo two champion. He's
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: got a really important role there in terms of what
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: he says and thinks and develops with that particular engine
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: is going to have a huge say what happens going forward.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: And if you're Yamaha, I think last weekend, if it
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: proved anything that you've got to ride a good enough
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to win things, you can give him the machinery to
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: do it. Because Fabio, you know, like I said before,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: is one of to my mind, one of the best
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: four guys in it. If you can give him a
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: machine that he can fight with, He's proven that he
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: can do it in the past and he still has that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's definitely an interesting one. I think it
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: sounds like both Quatro and Rims are going to raise
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the new engine at Lamont in two weeks time now.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Whether Jack Miller gets one or not, I don't know.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I really hope they do give one to Jack because
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Jack's so good on this developmental side. You can already
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: see the impact he's making it Yamaha, just from being
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: there for this half a season. The more data they
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: can get on that engine, bring it forward to that
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: next test that you mentioned at Aragon. Seems like that's
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the way forward. But if you're Yamaha, one thing you
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: can't accuse Yamaha of doing. They are not sitting on
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: their hands and willing to take this line down. They
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: are throwing everything at this thing to try and get
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: back to where they've been in the past. And a
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: motor GP with a strong Yamaha is a good motor
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: GP in my opinion, so let's hope it continues well.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Also, Honda this weekend because they had Alisia Spagro there
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: test rider return and was interesting to see Aleish kind
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: of saying how on bike fit he was, and we
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: saw him shake in his hands there in the earlier sessions.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: But then I read that on Monday Luca Marini actually
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: tested on the bike that Aleish had there, So it
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: seems like Honda are also trying to be that bit
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: more proactive. I think Yamaha did lead the way, but
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Honda they're trying to get back up there as well. Well.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It's interesting they've both gone with non Japanese tech directors,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: which is a massive thing for those two companies. They
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: don't generally outsource those really senior management positions to Europeans.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: It's not really happened. And they've recruited from Deucadian from
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Apulia because they know there's a proven way of success there.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: So that was the first step to turning something around
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: is putting your hand up and saying we've been doing
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it wrong. There's a lot of places that don't do that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of corporate pride and history in ways
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: of working, particularly in the Japanese sort of corporate culture,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that don't necessarily translate to murdor GP. So they've made
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the admission and hired the correct people. I think that's
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: probably the first step to coming back. But we're not
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: talking about Motor GP this year like we were last
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: year where you had the Japanese Cup down the back
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and they were just hopeless, like you just never saw
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: them unless they were crashing. They were nowhere in terms
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: of featuring anywhere properly in results. Now it feels like
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: every weekend there is a Yamaha or a Honda in
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the mixed. Jean Zako has had a really good year.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Kuaatearero was fantastic this weekend in Spain. Jack Miller finished
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: fifth in Austin on Merrit and was really really good there.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So it's not just oh, there's no Japanese bikes up
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: in the top five or six. There's always one on
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: them up there now. And the fact that you've got
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a variety with these manufacturers, I think super positive for
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the overall product.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I reckon oh, one hundred percent. I think what was
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: interesting as well on the Monday test is, you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: we saw a lot of the manufacturers testing a new
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: arrow packages or swing arms or et cetera, et cetera.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: But agv as Haest sing a new arrow winglet on
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the side of the helmet.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Did you see No, I haven't seen this.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Oh HRC reps repsol. I'm god, every there's one HRC
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Castro Honda Yeah, posted a funny caption of the chrome
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: dome they called it, and on the chin on the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: side there's like a little winglet there. So that's why four.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It was really quite interesting that this arrow style is
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: transgressioning from just the bike to actually on the riders. Now.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something they're going to use
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: or see or we'll see even this year, but interesting.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: The Yeah, the the can's been will and truly opened
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: their aero. Okay, in these days you can't force stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They can do it. Now there's so much going we're
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: gonna start hiring riders based on whether they have, you know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the right shoulder widths or something, because it helps with
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: the arrow profile and the bike. And that's going to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: be it's going to be the next step the way
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: these things go.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, let's go. Let's go. I'm already looking
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven and wait to see the reduction
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and see because we mentioned earlier that dirty air that
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: we saw with Fabio in the sprint and everything. It's
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: just getting too much. But that's Moto GP and we
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: still love it for what it is now. But I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier we had some Aussies on the podium, So Matt,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: we have to talk about Moto two. We have to
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: talk about Sena. Age is crossing the line p three.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's his second podium this year, if Itt his first
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: front row is well, qualifying on third on the grid
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: for the Grand Prix on Sunday. Senna said in post
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: race that he was struggling with the bike a little bit.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: He had some troubled where he didn't feel it earlier
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: in the weekend. But I think we're seeing more consistent Senna,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how much of it is coming
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: from his teammate Manu, who is getting the data and
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: learning a lot of or if we're just seeing an
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: older and wiser senate in his nineteen years of age
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: on this line.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the old ages before his twenty, but there is
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: a degree of It's one of those things that you
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: get to a world championship level and you think, oh, yeah,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I can be on the podium, I can compete with
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: these guys, but until you've actually done it, and then
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you've done it more than once. Obviously, Philippi on last
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: year was pretty special. That was an amazing day for him,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: but it felt at the time that it was not
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: just quite and it wasn't an unrepeatable outlier, but it
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: definitely didn't feel legitimate or sustainable at that point. What
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: we've seen this year is he's got a different teammate
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: who's clearly writing really really well. Bike's good, and he's competitive.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: It's not just all that's a surprise that Center AGS
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: is going well this weekend. Now we're almost surprised when
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: he's not. And that's been the biggest change. Now, I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: think the perception of what people think he can do
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: in that category, and I think the belief of what
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: he thinks he can do in this category. It's not
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: surprising at all to see him up there now. It
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: looks super legit and well a I enjoyed the It's funny,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: like the three m Motor two races were both pretty
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: similar at Herreth and you had a nailed on winner
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: up the front, and then the podium spots were really
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: contentious behind. How good is it when we've got Motor
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: GP in Europe, in family in viewing, friendly times for
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Ossie's and and you've got ozsies actually in contention in
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: the two lower classes. It was a super fun night
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Sunday night.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: That battle that Senna had with Diogo Morrera where he
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: was like on the grass. At one point on the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Fox Socials, we put are you racing Moto two? Are
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: you cutting the grass there? Center? Because he was literally
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: millimeters from him running off the track. It was wild. Yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: great fight, great five epic battle. And then let's talk
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: about Joel and Jacob in Moto iie so Joel got
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: another podium this weekend, so we started on the front
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: row and he crossed the line in third and then
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: wet that funny thing in Park fer Me where he said,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: if he gets on the podium this weekend at Arez,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: where he said it was a track that he doesn't
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: necessarily enjoy or doesn't suit him, he's getting a dog.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: So welcome to the family, Joel Kelso poppy. But yeah, Joel,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I think we said this in previous pods, and I
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: think it's coming to fruition now he's found that missing
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: one besoon last year, whatever that change was for him,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: He's gone from fading through the second half of the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: race to now he's up the front and he is
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: battling for the entire time. Yeah.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the evolution. The amount of times
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: last year there'd be a breakaway group of seven at
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the front of a Motor GP Moto III race and
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Joel would be seventh out of the seven or fifth
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: out of five. He'd always be at the back of it,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: so he'd be fast enough to be in the mix,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: but not quite fast enough to convert it. That's where
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: he's made the step, and he's described it as a
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: small percentage. Think it's such a tiny percentage of the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: overall arsenal, but it's so crucial. He would be really
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: good for eighty five percent of the race, and then
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: you just see the fades start to happen in those
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: last few laps. He's got that staying power now, a
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: lot of it's between his ears because he's got the
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: belief he can do it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: He feels very on top of what he's doing. He's
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: moved to a better team this year, having just a
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: really really consistently solid year. We know he's always been
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: good in qualifying, he's been able to probably transcend the
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: performance of what he's been writing on at a couple
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: of his previous stops. But this looks the most optimisty
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: thing for me is it looks totally legit. There's nothing
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: sort of out larra sh or random about the whole thing.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: He looks like a guy who should be there every weekend.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: And then how nice was it to see Jacob Rolston
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: qualify well, race strongly, get a good result. But more
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: importantly it was at this same circuit where it really
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: hurt himself not so long ago. And you, I mean
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: you've spoken to him enough. You can't tell me that
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: as you drive in to her reath for that weekend
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: that the first thing that comes to me. You can't
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: help but to think about something like that. So to
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: go back there, park that in the back of your mind,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: have a really strong qualifying and a really good race
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: result where you're clearly a bit underdone. You missed the
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: first few rounds. You're not quite there yet. Super promising
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: for all the Aussies in the feeder classes. And yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: the fact we're in Europe for the next eleven rounds
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: means that Sunday nights are going to be appointment viewing
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: from now and in all three classes.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I think, well, the thing is Motoree and Motor twur
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: on at prime time, So get your friends, to get
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: your family over, make a night of it and watch
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: some of the epic racing. Yes, we love Moto GP,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: but Moto three specially shows some of the best racing.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: We've preached this on this podcast so many times. The
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: battles they're changing, the passing, the overtaking. Oh, it's the best.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: And I think what is so exciting is we have okay,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: we're round five, but Senna and Joel both on the
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: podium this weekend, Jacob coming back from that injury, top
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: ten result. This is the future of Moto GP, and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: we're seeing it's not just the Italian and the Spanish shows.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: We've got the Aussi's, We've got Cormack from New Zealand,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: there's more South Africans, there's more nationalities now coming in.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: But the Aussie kids, I shouldn't say kids, the Aussie writers.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: They're paving the way and if they can continue this
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: consistency now throughout the year, then I think we're going
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: to be in for the future of Moto GP looking
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: really really bright.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean, look, you're allowed to call them kids.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely allowed to call them kids. My goodness, these guys.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I love how young these guys are because they haven't
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: had the media citizensm but out of them yet. But
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the best thing about them coming on strong and looking
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: like it's really consistent is where Australia and Philip Island
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: sits on the calendar. Because we're towards the back end
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: of the season and you know, there's a very strong
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: chance Joe Kelso is going to be in a very
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: very good championship position by the time we get to
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Philip Island and possibly Center if this keeps up as well.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: So these guys riding at home with real steaks in
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: October rather than it's just nice to be there and
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: perhaps jag a good result. That's it's going to add
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: something for the island, isn't it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely. That's why we love MotoGP, and that's why
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: we love Motorcycle research. Absolutely, But Matt, I think we've
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: pretty much covered everything from the Spanish Grand Prix. If
• 55:33
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• 55:35
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• 55:46
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• 55:49
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• 55:52
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• 55:56
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• 55:59
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• 56:03
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