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Capítuo 088: Goddess Worship - WAP Edition · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: and you know what, We're just going to jump right
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Speaker 1: into today's topic. We are covering some groundbreaking things happening
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Speaker 1: in music online. We're going to cover some of the
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Speaker 1: discussions today and to intro that, we want to share
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Speaker 1: that we just had an exclusive interview with Maria you
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Speaker 1: Know Hosa, an award winning journalist, and we talked to
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Speaker 1: her about her new book, Once I Was You, Yes,
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Speaker 1: Once I Was You, a memoir of love and hate
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Speaker 1: in a torn America. Maria you Know Hosa basically chronicles
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Speaker 1: her thirty plus year long career as a journalist in radio, audio,
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Speaker 1: as well as television and print. She's the founder and
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Speaker 1: creator of the Food Media Group. They create podcasts, they
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Speaker 1: create all types of amazing, fabulous journalism that centers Latin
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Speaker 1: X narratives and stories that are otherwise ignored by mainstream media.
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Speaker 1: So we interviewed Maria. It was really exciting. Her folks
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Speaker 1: reached out to us to see if we would be
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Speaker 1: down to receive copies of her book um and we did.
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Speaker 1: We each received a copy and we spoke to Maria
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Speaker 1: about it, and the full interview with her is coming
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Speaker 1: out in September. Yeah, and you know, we typically do
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Speaker 1: not share with y'all u when we interview guests that
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Speaker 1: we haven't released the audio yet, but we wanted to
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Speaker 1: share with y'all that we interviewed Marie because naturally, um
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Speaker 1: wop was a topic of today's conversation that we had
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Speaker 1: with her. And you know you heard it here first
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Speaker 1: that Maria no Hosa has a whop as well, just
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Speaker 1: like us. She like, it was so funny because in
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Speaker 1: the middle of our interview, you know, we were just
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Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of different things and she spoke
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Speaker 1: to us for a pretty long period of time. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was like a decent conversation and she's really cool,
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Speaker 1: and she was talking about you know, being a Marijuaneda
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Speaker 1: and she like pulled out her vape and she was
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Speaker 1: vaping while we were talking, and then I asked what
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Speaker 1: her song of the summer was, and she talked about
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Speaker 1: a lot of her the music that she's listening to
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Speaker 1: right now. But then she was like, oh, also um Whop.
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Speaker 1: I love Whop. I think it's great. And then she's like,
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Speaker 1: let's wet s pussy. Let's talk about it. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about what it takes to have a wet s pussy,
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Speaker 1: And we launched into a conversation. So Yes with the
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Speaker 1: says is true. We broke the exclusive on look at
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Speaker 1: our radio, Maria. You know, Hoosa is the proud owner
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Speaker 1: of a whop, a wet s pussy just like the
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Speaker 1: rest of us, and we're proud to be part of
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Speaker 1: the ranks. Yes, thank Goddess. And that brings us to
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Speaker 1: today's conversation. That brings us to today's conversation. We want
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Speaker 1: to discuss our initial thoughts feelings about the release, the
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Speaker 1: video release, which is amazing and all. So you know,
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Speaker 1: we like to break things down, so we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: doing that today. My initial thought when I was watching
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Speaker 1: the video the music video on YouTube whop um was
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Speaker 1: just how much I loved to see the looks, all
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Speaker 1: the different looks, the visuals, the hair, the wigs, the nails,
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Speaker 1: the makeup. Everything. I was into it. And the first
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Speaker 1: thing I thought of, or one of the first things
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Speaker 1: I did, was I texted Mala and I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that we need to cover this
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Speaker 1: on the pod and we need to bring back goddess worship.
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Speaker 1: And how is the music video an example of gods worship?
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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts, Mala? It's definitely for me an
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Speaker 1: example of goddess worship. I mean Cardi B and Megan
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Speaker 1: the Stallion. They created a masterpiece. To be honest, like
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Speaker 1: this song is an anthem. It is going to have
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Speaker 1: like reverberations forever. This is an iconic video. The video
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Speaker 1: that they put out first was the radio edit, and
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Speaker 1: so instead of you know, the name whop is an
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Speaker 1: acronym for wet s pussy, but instead of singing out
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Speaker 1: those lyrics on the video, the radio edit had um
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Speaker 1: wet and gushy. So there were some like differences. And
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Speaker 1: I went back on YouTube and I looked up, you know,
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Speaker 1: the the official audio with the full lyrics, and it's
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Speaker 1: so good, Like I feel like this is a lyrical masterpiece.
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Speaker 1: Like Cardian Megan really did an incredible job just with
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Speaker 1: their verses, um with the choreography in the video. And
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Speaker 1: I really loved just this sort of genre of music
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Speaker 1: that's all about centering women's sexual pleasure and really worshiping
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Speaker 1: and obsessing over like women's bodies. I think it's awesome,
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Speaker 1: especially when we, you know, we do still live in
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Speaker 1: the midst of very intense violence against women, including sexual violence.
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Speaker 1: So to actually, like, you know, put the pussy on
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Speaker 1: a on a pedestal is like a really fun, exciting
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Speaker 1: thing and there's a reason why we love it so
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Speaker 1: much because it's not really something that happens all that
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Speaker 1: often if we actually think about it, right absolutely, I mean,
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Speaker 1: what could also be an acronym for worship at the
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Speaker 1: pussy like it works? And yeah, I agree, I agree
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Speaker 1: with you, Mala, Like it's not common that we see
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Speaker 1: women's sexuality being centered or even our pleasure being centered,
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Speaker 1: and what we do it never fails. There's always pushed
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Speaker 1: back from men and women saying like we're specifically Megan
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Speaker 1: and Cardi are like bringing women back hundreds of years, um,
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Speaker 1: they themselves to individuals are bringing back any of the
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Speaker 1: progress that women have made um, you know, and and
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Speaker 1: all kinds of other misogynistic and sexist things, and also
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Speaker 1: adding the layer that these are two black women. You know,
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Speaker 1: you cannot forget that misogyn art exist and um yeah,
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Speaker 1: and so I you know, I loved it. It is
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Speaker 1: you know. I loved the visuals. I loved the choreography,
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Speaker 1: everything about it. Um, there were some some there were
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Speaker 1: two things that I did not love, but which I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that you can also agree with me. Mala. There
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Speaker 1: were two, maybe particular people that we did not love
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Speaker 1: to see, two individuals that were a surprise to us all.
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Speaker 1: I think I was surprised. M hm. I was surprised.
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Speaker 1: There was drama so ahead, there was drama. There was drama.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it, talk about it. So I mean
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Speaker 1: the video, I mean, obviously you know, it's Cardi, it's Megan,
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Speaker 1: but they also featured other artists in the video, including
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Speaker 1: like Normany had like a dance so low. There's a
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Speaker 1: rapper named Suki Hanna and she was in there, Mulatto
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Speaker 1: but also popped up in the middle of the video
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Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner Ross and Shine and towards the end. And
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Speaker 1: there was some controversy because Obviously, Kylie is Kylie, and
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Speaker 1: we know she's like the appropriate or in chief. And
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Speaker 1: then we have Rosalia, who has also been at the
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Speaker 1: center of a lot of dialogue and discourse about appropriation
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Speaker 1: and who gets centered. I think it's celebrated, yes, and
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Speaker 1: so um controversy, right, I mean, like you said, like
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Rosalia has been at the center of conversations
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Speaker 1: around Latini lad and Latin music and what it means
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Speaker 1: when we have these labels and who's being um, who's
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Speaker 1: given the resources, who's being put at the center um,
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Speaker 1: and who's being ignored as well. It's not The critiques
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Speaker 1: about Rosa are of course about Rosalia as an individual,
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Speaker 1: but more so as a critique of the industry in general.
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Speaker 1: And so yeah, there was a petition. According to Variety,
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Speaker 1: over fifty people have signed a petition to remove Kylie
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Speaker 1: from the WAP video. And I also think it was
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Speaker 1: really interesting that she got a lot of camera time,
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Speaker 1: like a lot compared to the other women that were
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Speaker 1: dancing like she was just she was just walking through
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Speaker 1: and she was strutting. It was a strut, I will
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Speaker 1: admit she it was a strut um. But the you know,
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Speaker 1: like normany that had this amazing like dance choreography, Like
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Speaker 1: it was glimpses of like Normandy and Sukiana and Momato.
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Speaker 1: But Kylie you had like a lot of time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I always wonder, you know, just like who
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Speaker 1: gets these kinds of decisions when it comes to like
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Speaker 1: the creative direction and the editing, right, because it's one thing,
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Speaker 1: um to have your vision, like say your car to
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Speaker 1: your megan or you know, the costume designer, the choreographer,
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Speaker 1: and you have your input and you have your vision
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Speaker 1: and things get filmed and you get all your your takes,
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Speaker 1: But then when it's in the editing room, and then
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Speaker 1: like who gets those final decisions on what happens? And
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Speaker 1: I'm always curious about, like how do we get to
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Speaker 1: a place where we have Kylie Jenner with this long
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Speaker 1: you know, walk down the hall. But I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's like a million reasons. Like it's
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Speaker 1: not random. These things cost a lot of money, so
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Speaker 1: there has to be reasons. Yeah, there's always a reason.
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Speaker 1: There's always an explanation as to why things happen the
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Speaker 1: way they do, especially when it comes down to the
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Speaker 1: editing process. Um. But you know, it's still a pop
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Speaker 1: seven days a week when people have been the folks
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Speaker 1: on the internet of course on Twitter have been editing
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Speaker 1: out Kylie and inserting their own little videos, grabbing from
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Speaker 1: different from different scenes and like movies and music, and
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Speaker 1: it's like really funny to see the creativity flourish because
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Speaker 1: folks want Kylie out of the video. Truly. That's one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite Like when new media comes out with
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Speaker 1: a new song or a new video comes out, I
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Speaker 1: feel like the best part sometimes is like what the
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Speaker 1: Internet does with it, and then all the memes and
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Speaker 1: the offshoots and like the subcontent that comes after people
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Speaker 1: have had a couple hours, you know, with some new
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Speaker 1: content and then they flip it in come up with
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Speaker 1: new trends and new hashtags, and it's exciting. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, what is this going to precipitate? Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I will say that I also loved
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Speaker 1: the like very sexual dynamic between Megan and Cardi B
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Speaker 1: because they are both bisexual. Bisexual icons there I say,
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Speaker 1: and I love it, and so there was definitely a
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Speaker 1: sexual energy that I feel as a video that they
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Speaker 1: were playing off of in the video, and I loved it.
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Speaker 1: I was here for it, and that lead. Of course,
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Speaker 1: the Internet finds everything, like they dug up an old
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Speaker 1: video of Megan the Stallion talking about the type of
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Speaker 1: types of women that she likes and is attracted to. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so turns out Megan likes petite girls with tattoos and
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Speaker 1: Spanish girls quote unquote with big butts. So she described us.
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Speaker 1: I think I think that, yes, that's both of us.
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Speaker 1: I think Megan the Stallion, I think we're her type.
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Speaker 1: I hope, I pray. We're just gonna put that out
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Speaker 1: there into the universe. I'm available if so. If that,
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Speaker 1: I also hope in perm around I'm around. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: hope and pray yes. And you know, I feel like
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Speaker 1: Cardi b has been very nonchalant about her not because
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Speaker 1: not that she has to like be like out and
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Speaker 1: proud or anything, but and I say this in like
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Speaker 1: a very respectful way, like I like that she's been
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Speaker 1: very nonchalant, like oh yeah, I like girls too, or
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm also very bisexual. And she kind of
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Speaker 1: just moves on, like she tweets these things and the
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Speaker 1: two moves on from them. And I appreciate that about her. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I'm here for it. I'm here for the bisexual representation. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I like, you know, it's good to have just people
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Speaker 1: being like their authentic selves and having like a variety
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Speaker 1: of that sort of representation, you know, Like I feel
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Speaker 1: like there's the we have. We'll have like a Sarah
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Speaker 1: Ramirez that's like way vocal and like way out there right,
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Speaker 1: or we can have like a CARDI who's like a
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Speaker 1: little bit more like just kind of when it comes up,
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Speaker 1: it comes up, and it's like a topic amongst me,
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Speaker 1: you know, and just having the spectrum lovely thing. I agree, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love that. Or Cara and and and and and
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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and
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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and
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Speaker 1: and um um um um um um um um m
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Speaker 1: of it and ship. Not everyone has been so enthusiastic
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Speaker 1: about the song though, Like I think most people are
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Speaker 1: really excited about what us pussy. I know, I've been
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Speaker 1: you know, listening on my walks with the dog and
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Speaker 1: should I happen to like leave my house to go
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Speaker 1: to the market, like I left yesterday to like go
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Speaker 1: to Starbucks. I've been I've been blasting it, um, but
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Speaker 1: not everybody has loved it. Yeah, So a congressional candidate,
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Speaker 1: James P. Bradley tweeted, what happens or what us pussy?
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Speaker 1: The song is what happens when children are without God
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Speaker 1: and without a strong father figure. He also said that
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Speaker 1: he heard it accidentally, which is highly says because to
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Speaker 1: something accident when it's not even on the radio. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: did you accidentally watch the video to yeah? Right right, No,
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Speaker 1: this man anything not only super salty for no reason
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Speaker 1: and clearly dying. Like you know, the day that it
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Speaker 1: came out, you had to like follow a link or
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Speaker 1: go and like look it up somewhere to go listen
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Speaker 1: to it. Um, he didn't accidentally hear it. And he's
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Speaker 1: also based in California. He's a conservative congressional candidate. He's
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Speaker 1: running for office. He's running for public office. And there
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Speaker 1: were a couple other like conservative candidates running for public office,
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Speaker 1: like congressional candidates who were tweeting about WOP negatively yesterday,
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Speaker 1: talking about you know, these women cannot call themselves queens,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, I think there's an inherent anti blackness
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Speaker 1: going on. It appeared to me that these people are
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Speaker 1: white people, including James Bradley. There's Annus absolutely, I mean
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Speaker 1: even him saying like without a strong father figure, that
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Speaker 1: is so coded, that is so coded when like historically
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Speaker 1: that is the stereotype and generalization made about the Black
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Speaker 1: community that black men are absent fathers and so rooted
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Speaker 1: an anti lackness and there's just a life Coarnie talks
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Speaker 1: about her house about her dad, like her dad is
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Speaker 1: way very around. Also, I wanted to say when I
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Speaker 1: read this comment, like, well, I did grow up with
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Speaker 1: God and also a strong father and this is still
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Speaker 1: a bop and I still love this song. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: what does the presence or lack of a wet ass
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Speaker 1: pussy have to do with any of those things? Nothing? Nothing, right?
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Speaker 1: I also think I also think that this is like
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Speaker 1: actually good dialogue in case you don't have a wet
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Speaker 1: s pussy, Like what if you I don't know that
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to have a wet s pussy when you're
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Speaker 1: going to have sex? Like actually, like I'm actually saying
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Speaker 1: this because because if you're not if you're not taught one,
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Speaker 1: if you don't have an actual sex head, right, if
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Speaker 1: you don't have actual sex education and you don't have
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Speaker 1: an actual sex talk from your parents, had centered around pleasure,
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Speaker 1: which I highly doubt any of us had, right, Um,
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Speaker 1: do you know? And you're not right? And if you're
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Speaker 1: not talking about sex with your peers, especially if you're
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Speaker 1: a young woman and of a consenting age, like, do
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Speaker 1: you know that you should have a wet pussy? Like actually,
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Speaker 1: And so I actually think that it is a good
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Speaker 1: conversation to have. And I'm hoping that you know, anyone
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Speaker 1: with pussy out there that didn't know is like going
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Speaker 1: to think about it, like, oh, you know, I need
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Speaker 1: to I need whoever my sexual partner may be, like,
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Speaker 1: also has to get me to that point for us
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Speaker 1: to have any type of intercourse, right, whether that be
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Speaker 1: penetrative or not, Like, in order for me to be
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Speaker 1: aroused and have a clitteral or to have any type
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Speaker 1: of orgasm, Um, I need to have a wet s pussy, right,
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Speaker 1: Like you know, there's a very basic conversation to be
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Speaker 1: had about, you know, the importance of lubrication in any
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Speaker 1: sexual experience, especially if there is penetrative sex of any
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Speaker 1: kind going on. And I think too, you know, it
20:20
Speaker 1: also opens up the conversation to options like lube because
20:24
Speaker 1: you know, like everyone's dealing with their own bodies and
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Speaker 1: like different Um, people create their natural lubrication at different levels, right,
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Speaker 1: and so there's that, Like it's it just it opens
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Speaker 1: up all kinds of conversations, not to like over analyze it,
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Speaker 1: but that's what comes up, you know with stuff like this,
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Speaker 1: With songs like this, it elicits questions and sparks ideas
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Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. Absolutely. I mean I am
20:52
Speaker 1: a proud lubricant user. You know, once you get to
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Speaker 1: a certain age and you're on certain meds like can
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Speaker 1: like mess up your natural lubrication and you need extra
21:03
Speaker 1: things to help, and that's totally fine. So yes, I
21:07
Speaker 1: think that it is good for us to center the
21:10
Speaker 1: wetest pussies in all conversations and all convos from here
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Speaker 1: on out. Um, there's a lot to talk about, especially
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Speaker 1: if you if you've been on the internet like um
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Speaker 1: and kind of following along with the social dialogue around
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Speaker 1: the release of this song. Um, you know, there's also
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Speaker 1: been conversation about how black women have this music history
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Speaker 1: and legacy of creating songs that center you know, black
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Speaker 1: women's sexual agency and bodily autonomy. So you know, um,
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Speaker 1: kind of how a song like this in a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways is a throwback to musicians of the past
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Speaker 1: like Millie Jackson, UM, folks like Betty Davis, who is
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Speaker 1: definitely like a pioneer of raw can roll and and
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Speaker 1: singing about um sexuality. But there's also like Little Kim
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Speaker 1: and Foxy Brown and Missy Elliott and then just historically
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Speaker 1: in hip hop like the video Vixen in general, a
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Speaker 1: lot of those aesthetics I think we saw on this video,
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Speaker 1: and like the dancers that you might see like backup
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Speaker 1: dancers are like the dancers from the two Live Crew
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Speaker 1: and um, I mean there's just so many Janet Jackson like.
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Speaker 1: So also kind of just giving respect to the to
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Speaker 1: this as like a genre like this is a genre
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Speaker 1: of music basically on its own that really has been
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Speaker 1: pioneered by black women musicians in the United States, I
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Speaker 1: would say at least that's where we're having this conversation,
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Speaker 1: so to really like shout out that sort of like
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Speaker 1: legacy there, because I think it also is easy to
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Speaker 1: kind of every time a song like this pops up,
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Speaker 1: folks like James P. Bradley, you know, kind of point
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Speaker 1: to it as this this is, you know, a sign
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Speaker 1: of the moral degradation of our society and this is
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Speaker 1: the worst thing and this is everything that's wrong when
23:12
Speaker 1: that's so not what's going on here, you know, right right,
23:16
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think it also shows like you know,
23:19
Speaker 1: for folks that don't know, because it didn't receive a
23:22
Speaker 1: lot of public response, but if you are on the internet,
23:25
Speaker 1: you may have seen this conversation happening. But Megan the
23:28
Speaker 1: Stallion was shot by rapper Tory Lanes, and there really
23:34
Speaker 1: was no there was very little media coverage, and you know,
23:37
Speaker 1: also is an implication of the way we as a
23:41
Speaker 1: society treat violence against black women, and there was not
23:46
Speaker 1: enough coverage, and I feel like the conversation kind of
23:49
Speaker 1: died down since it happened. Yeah, it's it's one of
23:54
Speaker 1: those things where this situation with Tory Lanes, who shot
24:02
Speaker 1: Megan the Stallion in her feet like multiple times pointing
24:06
Speaker 1: out right, like she's a performer and a dancer, Like
24:10
Speaker 1: she's on stage all the time and she's dancing and
24:13
Speaker 1: that's her job, so it appears to be super intentional.
24:18
Speaker 1: I haven't really heard or seen correct me if I'm wrong,
24:22
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen really like too many public callouts
24:26
Speaker 1: of Tory Lanes or demands for justice or demands for
24:31
Speaker 1: him to be held accountable. I don't know, but you know,
24:35
Speaker 1: people are easily angered by her new song. That's an
24:40
Speaker 1: amazing song, and she looks amazing and she did an
24:42
Speaker 1: amazing job. But people can be very righteously angry at
24:46
Speaker 1: her for creating this song worshiping wet as pussy. But
24:50
Speaker 1: when she was viciously attacked, where was the outrage? No,
24:55
Speaker 1: I called it right, Where was the outrage? And also
24:59
Speaker 1: like I didn't see any, But just because I didn't
25:02
Speaker 1: see any doesn't mean it wasn't happening. But what I
25:05
Speaker 1: saw from from black Twitter was that there were a
25:08
Speaker 1: lot of memes made about Megan being shot by Tory
25:13
Speaker 1: Lanes and it was almost like used as like a
25:16
Speaker 1: comedic relief, you know, that she was shot and means
25:19
Speaker 1: were made. I think it's also important to contextualize that
25:23
Speaker 1: as well, like that there has been there was both
25:26
Speaker 1: silence from any like media coverage, and then also when
25:30
Speaker 1: it was being talked about, it was being talked about
25:32
Speaker 1: in a funny way. And so the black women that
25:35
Speaker 1: I do follow on Twitter, we're having this conversation about
25:38
Speaker 1: black women being needing to be protected. Do you know
25:42
Speaker 1: what's so wild is, like we talked, we've talked about
25:45
Speaker 1: this like so much on the podcast at this point,
25:48
Speaker 1: but as always relevant to bring up again because it
25:52
Speaker 1: continues the way that violence against women is in fact
25:57
Speaker 1: entertainment in the United States, there is a history that
26:02
Speaker 1: really positions violence against women as its own type and
26:08
Speaker 1: form of of like media and content. It's its own
26:12
Speaker 1: genre in its own right. And I was listening to
26:15
Speaker 1: this podcast called Dolly Parton's America and they do an
26:20
Speaker 1: episode about some songs that Dolly Parton wrote where she's
26:26
Speaker 1: basically writing from the perspective of women who had been murdered.
26:32
Speaker 1: And you know, Dolly Parton's like from Appalachia, and she
26:37
Speaker 1: grew up with a lot of like these like Irish
26:40
Speaker 1: and Scottish, like traveling ballads, and she explains that like
26:44
Speaker 1: back in the day, and like back back back in
26:47
Speaker 1: the day, like things would happen in towns, like a
26:51
Speaker 1: man would murder a woman or his wife or his girlfriend,
26:54
Speaker 1: and then there would be a public trial or there
26:56
Speaker 1: would be a public execution, or it would be in
26:58
Speaker 1: the paper or like whatever it us. And then you
27:00
Speaker 1: would have these like traveling songwriters who would just basically right,
27:04
Speaker 1: the story of how this man killed this woman and
27:07
Speaker 1: dumped her body in the in the lake or in
27:09
Speaker 1: the river, and then they would become these like traveling
27:11
Speaker 1: ballads that then became like folk tunes and part of
27:14
Speaker 1: popular culture. And so Dolly being like this little this
27:19
Speaker 1: little white girl like in Appalachia, like this is part
27:22
Speaker 1: of like the culture in the community and part of
27:25
Speaker 1: like what was the music and entertainment was this genre
27:29
Speaker 1: of song that was literally just all about like men
27:32
Speaker 1: murdering women. Um. And then how she then kind of
27:36
Speaker 1: like ended up writing lots of her songs almost as
27:39
Speaker 1: if through the eyes of those women or right, giving
27:43
Speaker 1: voice to the women's experiences. And it's just so like, Okay,
27:48
Speaker 1: so Megan the stallion gets shot in the fee and
27:50
Speaker 1: it's traumatic and this vicious attack on her, and then
27:54
Speaker 1: you know, right away it the stuff of her trauma
27:58
Speaker 1: gets turned into pop culture and content and streams and
28:03
Speaker 1: likes and like it becomes entertainment in in in a
28:08
Speaker 1: similar sort of vein right, and and in the ways
28:11
Speaker 1: that are particular to make in is a black woman
28:14
Speaker 1: in America. But it's just like very mind boggling to me.
28:17
Speaker 1: But we continue because we live in a rape culture
28:20
Speaker 1: and so this is what happens. Yes, thank you for
28:23
Speaker 1: bringing that source the podcast. That's that's such a really
28:27
Speaker 1: a really great um piece of information that you brought
28:31
Speaker 1: to the to this episode. Um okay. And so the
28:34
Speaker 1: last thing that we wanted to touch upon in particular
28:37
Speaker 1: to this music video and the visuals and esthetics is
28:41
Speaker 1: I saw this tweet and I'm going to quote this woman,
28:43
Speaker 1: Bria M. Johnson. Her handle is at the Black Layers,
28:47
Speaker 1: and she talks about she has this tweet where she
28:50
Speaker 1: says hoest survival and host fun slash reclamation are different things.
28:56
Speaker 1: And then she continues to say, people who are marked
28:58
Speaker 1: as quote ho are also a poor working class and
29:01
Speaker 1: do not get the fun of the experience experience or
29:04
Speaker 1: the quote agency reclamation. And so I wanted to bring
29:07
Speaker 1: that to this conversation as well and just remind us,
29:11
Speaker 1: remind ourselves and remind our listeners that a lot of
29:15
Speaker 1: the hole aesthetics that we love are rooted in sex workers,
29:19
Speaker 1: like come from sex workers and the things that we love,
29:22
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to uh these any visuals I
29:25
Speaker 1: think that have become very mainstream and popularized have been
29:29
Speaker 1: made possible by sex workers and also remembering that they
29:33
Speaker 1: um continue to face violence, are not protected, and there's
29:36
Speaker 1: an ongoing movement to decriminal decriminalized sex work. Yes, decriminalized
29:41
Speaker 1: sex work. Also apparently dancers strippers are unionizing, which it's
29:47
Speaker 1: about time to be honest, Um, there are like no
29:52
Speaker 1: protections in that line of work and they need them. Yeah,
29:57
Speaker 1: And you know, if you we have an older episode
30:00
Speaker 1: ode um, I want to say it was season three,
30:03
Speaker 1: maybe it was season two, and we interviewed and we
30:08
Speaker 1: talked about the eroticus power and she is a sex
30:11
Speaker 1: worker and she when we talked about these different topics
30:13
Speaker 1: as well. And I think this was at the height
30:15
Speaker 1: of like sesta that we that we just interviewed her.
30:17
Speaker 1: And so if you haven't listened to that episode, um,
30:20
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30:22
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30:25
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30:28
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