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The Late Debate | 1 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General, Welcome to the Wait to play, Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Late Debate, and happy anniversary to Paul Murray and Sharne
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  Speaker 1: from all of us here, I'm James Macpherson with freyer
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  Speaker 1: Leitch and Caleb Bond coming up tonight. Greta Tunberg is
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  Speaker 1: on her way to Gaza again, but the Israelis are
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  Speaker 1: saying this time they won't be playing nice. The Miss
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  Speaker 1: England beauty pageant is asking models to generate AI images
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  Speaker 1: of themselves, which begs the question do we need the
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  Speaker 1: pageant contestants at all? And Donald Trump insists he's never
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  Speaker 1: felt better despite persistent rumors about his health. Maybe those
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  Speaker 1: rumors are just wishful thinking on the part of the left.
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  Speaker 1: But first we begin tonight talking about Australia, the land
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  Speaker 1: of sun, surf and stupendous waste. The Australian Research Council
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  Speaker 1: is given around a billion dollars of tax payer money
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  Speaker 1: to distribute on academic projects that are meant to help
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  Speaker 1: improve the country. But riddle me this, how does giving
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  Speaker 1: Monash University two hundred and sixteen million dollars of your
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  Speaker 1: money to explain how the ASTERIXK comic series is relevant
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  Speaker 1: to the cultural history of France do anything to improve Australia.
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  Speaker 1: That was just one of many grants that make you
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  Speaker 1: wonder what on earth are members of the Australian Research
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  Speaker 1: Council smoking. Last financial year they gave grants to well,
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  Speaker 1: look at this, seven hundred and fifty two million dollars
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  Speaker 1: so Sidney's University of Technology could examine the form of
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  Speaker 1: temple architecture in mainland China, four hundred and fifty eight
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  Speaker 1: million dollars to help the University of Melbourne understand gender
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  Speaker 1: inequality in opera, and another seven hundred and sixteen million
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  Speaker 1: so they could investigate how people contemporary contemporary people spread
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  Speaker 1: ashes after cremation ceremonies. But here's my personal favorite. Bureaucrats
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  Speaker 1: provided nine hundred and nine million dollars so Central Queensland
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  Speaker 1: University academics could determine the optimal length for on the
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  Speaker 1: job napping. I'm honestly not sure what's more outrageous that
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  Speaker 1: the Australian Research Council funded these projects or the university
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  Speaker 1: suggested them in the first place. The spokesman for the
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  Speaker 1: ARC defended the process, assuring us that it's all peered reviewed,
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  Speaker 1: which in academics speak means our friends all think it's brilliant. Fray,
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  Speaker 1: can you believe this waste of money?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: I should point out I think that was meant to
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  Speaker 3: be one hundred thousand, not million. They provided nine hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, excuse well, that as bad as I thought. Now
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  Speaker 1: wonder you were sitting there horrified the whole tight.
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  Speaker 3: I was blown away and frankly shots, I mean, nothing
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  Speaker 3: surprises me these days about.
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  Speaker 2: The Albanizer government.
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  Speaker 3: But I did think, you know, nine hundred million to
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  Speaker 3: study Chinese temp So there you go.
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  Speaker 4: I turned it into a good news story.
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  Speaker 5: It was an eight hundred and eighty seven million dollar
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  Speaker 5: total that they got you out, which is it's a
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  Speaker 5: billion dollars, nearly a billion dollars. It was like, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if you could spend a billion dollars looking into Chinese temple,
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  Speaker 5: so good luck to you.
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  Speaker 4: Again.
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  Speaker 5: I asked the question, how do I get my hands
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  Speaker 5: on one of these government contracts or one of these grants,
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  Speaker 5: because I tell you what, I could do some great
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  Speaker 5: work with that sort of money to look into these things.
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  Speaker 5: The real question, though, is if you're spending public money.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, public money ought to be spent for the
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  Speaker 5: betterment of the public. You would have thought. I understand
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  Speaker 5: that there are somewhat esoteric things that academics may be
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  Speaker 5: interested in, but to do it in your own time
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  Speaker 5: and do it with your own money. If we are
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  Speaker 5: paying our taxes, surely we want to pay our taxes
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  Speaker 5: for public funding to go towards things that will benefit us.
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  Speaker 5: If you're looking into matters of health care and all
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  Speaker 5: these sorts of things that will benefit as a nation.
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  Speaker 5: And there is an argument for a level of funding
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  Speaker 5: into research that has to do with the arts or
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  Speaker 5: sport or whatever because it enriches us as a nation,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm not sure that applies to looking into Chinese
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  Speaker 5: temples for example.
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  Speaker 3: And some of the research that they find. So the
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  Speaker 3: Menzies Research Center, I was part of a team that
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  Speaker 3: went through I think it was like seventy thousand of
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  Speaker 3: them is grants that the government gives out, and some
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  Speaker 3: of them are not just absurd, they actually undermine Australia.
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  Speaker 3: So they give money to academics studying how to decolonize
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  Speaker 3: Australia's legal institutions, promoting all sorts of wacky postcolonial theories,
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  Speaker 3: and that is not just providing no benefit, it is
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  Speaker 3: actively detracting from our nation. So there has to be
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  Speaker 3: a serious conversation around how do you define benefit? Because
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  Speaker 3: the Australian Research Council should only be funding projects that
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  Speaker 3: have some sort of cultural, economic, scientific benefit to Australia.
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  Speaker 3: But clearly if the people sitting on the Art Research
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  Speaker 3: Board I super woke and actually don't care about the country,
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  Speaker 3: that's going to impact how they define benefit.
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  Speaker 2: So there needs to be some objective standards.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the AC should provide money so that universities can
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  Speaker 1: define the pub test because clearly they have no idea
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  Speaker 1: what passes such a test.
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  Speaker 4: That would be money well spent.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Shergold is the of the Research Grants Council and
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  Speaker 1: the problem, of course is that Jason Clare removed any
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  Speaker 1: political influence from it, so now we've got bureaucrats making
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  Speaker 1: these decisions. It would be interesting if there's a Senate
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  Speaker 1: Estimates hearing on this to hear members of that council
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  Speaker 1: explain the rationale for granting this sort of money to
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  Speaker 1: these spurious projects.
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  Speaker 5: But the bureaucrats are ultimately answerable to the politician, so
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  Speaker 5: you can say, aha, we don't have direct political influence,
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  Speaker 5: but you know they do, and they ought to exercise
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  Speaker 5: it for the good of the nation. And understand, politicians
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  Speaker 5: may will want money to go towards the things that
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  Speaker 5: they're interested in, but they should be exercising their power
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  Speaker 5: or for the good of the nation on behalf of us,
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  Speaker 5: because of course that's what we vote for them for.
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  Speaker 5: But if you're not an academic getting one of these grants,
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  Speaker 5: and you work in the education sector and you're wondering, oh,
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  Speaker 5: what can I do to improve my lot in life,
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  Speaker 5: go and become a school teacher. Because it turns out,
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  Speaker 5: particularly in the private sector, but also in some of
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  Speaker 5: the state schools around the country as well, teachers are
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  Speaker 5: getting some excellent per including Indigenous cultural leave, whatever the
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  Speaker 5: hell that is, defense services leave. You can maybe excuse
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  Speaker 5: it's saying, you know, you can get some leave if
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  Speaker 5: you're going to go off and serve your nation, preemptive
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  Speaker 5: health check leave, which I'll come back to in a moment,
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  Speaker 5: and yoga membership allowances. So if you have a deal
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  Speaker 5: that is covered by the Presbyterian and method of Schools
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  Speaker 5: Association agreement. In Queensland, for instance, you get five paid
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  Speaker 5: days of Indigenous cultural leave, whatever the hell that is,
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  Speaker 5: and you can have five unpaid days as well. You
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  Speaker 5: can also have five days of paid reproductive leave. I
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  Speaker 5: guess if you're bloke you can go and have a vasectomy.
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  Speaker 5: I suppose women are claiming it when they're on their period.
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  Speaker 5: Townsville Grammar two days also have paid Indigenous cultural leave,
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  Speaker 5: and you can have another eight days unpaid if you want. Again,
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  Speaker 5: what is indigenous cultural leave and why is this being
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  Speaker 5: given to teachers Margaret's Barrick Grammar in Melbourne Barrick of course,
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  Speaker 5: three days of aborage and Torres Strait Islander ceremonial leave. Again,
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  Speaker 5: do you have to be an indigenous person to get
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  Speaker 5: that or can any person just say well I need
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  Speaker 5: to go to an indigenous ceremony. I need three days
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  Speaker 5: off please cool and Beach Christian College again. In Queensland
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  Speaker 5: they get a day of paid health check leave. Now, look,
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  Speaker 5: I thought that we all got ten days of sick leave,
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  Speaker 5: which meant you could go to the doctor. And that
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  Speaker 5: means you can go to the doctor when you're sick,
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  Speaker 5: or you can go to the doctor before you're sick
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  Speaker 5: because you've got a doctor's appointment I'm not sure why
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  Speaker 5: they need another day on top Saint Hilda's School two
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  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty dollars annual wellness allowance, which you can
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  Speaker 5: spend on such things as gym memberships or yoga or
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  Speaker 5: I think this is the best one. State schools in
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  Speaker 5: South Australia get fifteen days of paid cultural and community
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  Speaker 5: service leave. Now, maybe you can justify the community service bid,
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  Speaker 5: but what is fifteen days of cultural leave? Fifteen that's
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  Speaker 5: three weeks, so on top of your annual leave and
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  Speaker 5: the school holidays. Understand, teachers do some work in school
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  Speaker 5: holidays as well, but annual leave, school holidays, sick leave,
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  Speaker 5: fifteen days of cultural leave, or your aboriginal leve, whatever
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  Speaker 5: the hell it is. These teachers are on a great deal,
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  Speaker 5: it would say.
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  Speaker 1: But when it comes to the private schools, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to admit I don't have much of a problem with this.
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  Speaker 1: I agree some of them seem a bit quirky, but
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  Speaker 1: doesn't this just represent the highly competitive nature of teaching,
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  Speaker 1: especially in rural areas. Private schools are trying to get
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  Speaker 1: a physics teacher or a maths teacher. If they're Christian schools,
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  Speaker 1: then typically they're looking for a Christian physics teacher. It's
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  Speaker 1: a very small pool of people they're looking at, and
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  Speaker 1: so they'll use anything they can to try to attract
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  Speaker 1: the best.
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  Speaker 4: It's private enterprise. Good luck to them.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really see anything wrong with this. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you can't argue, well, what is cultural indigenous leave, and
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  Speaker 3: that's a very valid conversation to have. But at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, these are schools striking these agreements,
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  Speaker 3: and it does show how difficult it is to find
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  Speaker 3: good teachers. And I think what was also interesting about
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  Speaker 3: this article is the starting salary for teachers is now
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  Speaker 3: really really good. So it's around between eighty seven thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars and up to one hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to hit in a couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think for a lot of young people
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  Speaker 3: out there, teaching is not sold as something that is
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  Speaker 3: actually a sustainable career. People don't think teachers are very
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  Speaker 3: well paid. They have terrible conditions. We always hear in
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  Speaker 3: the media about how difficult, how horrible it is to
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  Speaker 3: be a teacher, And yes, teachers do excellent work and
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  Speaker 3: it can be tough, but every job has its tough
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  Speaker 3: moments and the reality is they are well remunerated, and
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  Speaker 3: I think they should be.
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  Speaker 2: They do incredible work.
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  Speaker 1: If anyone should have a problem with this, it should
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  Speaker 1: be parents who are paying fees actually, I mean, because
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  Speaker 1: clearly they're the ones picking up the tab. So then
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  Speaker 1: you've got the balance of well, am I happy with
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  Speaker 1: the school and.
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  Speaker 5: If the teacher is going off on the ten days
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  Speaker 5: of indigenous leave, it means they've got to get another
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  Speaker 5: teacher to come in and do the work when your
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  Speaker 5: child otherwise would have had their regular teacher. But also
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  Speaker 5: the other thing I think as well is yes, it's
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  Speaker 5: all good and well for people to privately strike these
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  Speaker 5: agreements that they can have all different weird fangled types
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  Speaker 5: of leave, but that then creeps into the public sector,
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  Speaker 5: as it has in South Australia where they have fifteen
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  Speaker 5: days of cultural or community leave. And that starts in
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  Speaker 5: the schools, but then soon enough, when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: negotiating an award as a council worker or in retail
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  Speaker 5: or whatever, all of a sudden everyone will be saying, well,
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  Speaker 5: I need my ten days of Indigenous and cultural leave,
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  Speaker 5: and then it will become standard across the entire workforce.
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  Speaker 5: So I mean what we can just have half the
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  Speaker 5: year off, if that's.
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  Speaker 1: The road were known were in Queensland Public Service got
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  Speaker 1: five days off to mourn the referendum, So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're not wrong. These things spread right throughout the public
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  Speaker 1: sector and that's the difference. If it's a private school,
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  Speaker 1: then parents are electing to pay that fair enough. But
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  Speaker 1: if it's in the public sector, then all xpayers are
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  Speaker 1: footing the bill for things that most of us would
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  Speaker 1: deem pretty frivolous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And the reality is schools are having to go
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  Speaker 3: to greater and greater lengths to attract good teachers. My
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  Speaker 3: brother is training to be a primary school teacher and
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  Speaker 3: the program he's doing is sponsored by a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: private schools in Sydney and they're actually paying for.
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  Speaker 2: Their master's degrees.
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  Speaker 3: They work in the classrooms as they're studying, and it's
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  Speaker 3: this whole way to attract good Christian teachers. But clearly
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  Speaker 3: the universities aren't doing the job and schools are going
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  Speaker 3: to extreme lengths to find good teachers.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really tough out there.
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  Speaker 3: But something else that might soon be tough for private
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  Speaker 3: schools is the North Sydney Council is considering charging people
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  Speaker 3: to use their parks. If you have a gathering with
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  Speaker 3: over twenty one people, they're weighing up a proposal to
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  Speaker 3: actually charge people.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I understand it for some cases, like commercial enterprises if
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  Speaker 3: you have a pop up store or something, or a wedding,
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  Speaker 3: but they're even considering charging schools who use public parks
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  Speaker 3: as overflow spaces for recess and lunch. And there's one
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  Speaker 3: example here of the Maras School on the North Shore.
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  Speaker 3: They're redeveloping their sites. They don't have much space for
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  Speaker 3: the kids to play at lunch, so they go to
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  Speaker 3: the public park. I mean, isn't that the point of
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  Speaker 3: public parks. It's to be used by the public. Different
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  Speaker 3: if you're getting married and you're sectioning off an entire
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  Speaker 3: section setting up PA gear chairs.
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  Speaker 2: No one else can use it. I get that.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, that's not fair to everyone else, but Chinese
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  Speaker 3: schools and kids, that's just too fair.
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  Speaker 4: This council is a disclake.
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  Speaker 1: So it all comes back to renovations they made on
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  Speaker 1: the local public pool, an Olympic pool. To be sure
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  Speaker 1: they're going to spend what thirty million are going to
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  Speaker 1: make sure I get by numbers right, thirty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: on the renovation. It's blown out to about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty two million. So to try and recoup the
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  Speaker 1: money they're now in the hole for they tried to
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  Speaker 1: raise rates by eighty seven percent.
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  Speaker 4: That was rejected.
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  Speaker 1: Then they suggested local at schools, which are not subject
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  Speaker 1: to rates, might like to voluntarily pay rates. Surprise, surprise,
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  Speaker 1: most of the school said no, presumably because they had
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  Speaker 1: such massive contracts with their teachers supplying so many days off,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't want to pay rates. And this seems like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of payback to those schools. Well, if
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to contribute rates to help us pay
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  Speaker 1: for our ineptitude, will now bill you to use our
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  Speaker 1: public grounds for kids at recess. It's pretty unfair to
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  Speaker 1: start applying a fee to kids having their lunch at
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  Speaker 1: the local park.
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  Speaker 5: I must admit when I first saw a kids buggerizing
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  Speaker 5: around in public parks at lunchtime in Sydney, I thought,
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  Speaker 5: the hell's going on here? Because it doesn't happen in Adelaide,
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  Speaker 5: where I'm from. Most of the schools, the public schools
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  Speaker 5: certainly have large grounds that are also available to the public.
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  Speaker 5: When the school isn't using them mostly, right, So you
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  Speaker 5: shut off the school gate at three pm, But I
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  Speaker 5: mean anyone can come and play on the oval after that,
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  Speaker 5: So it's sort of public land that everyone has available
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  Speaker 5: to them. And I saw this happening year and home
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  Speaker 5: sort of I suppose in the city where it's you know,
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  Speaker 5: people are packed in much tighter, it makes sense if
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  Speaker 5: the school doesn't have the land they use the public
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  Speaker 5: park next door makes sense. So the council says, ah, well,
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  Speaker 5: we can make a dollar out of this. But it's
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  Speaker 5: even worse than that because what they're proposing is not
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  Speaker 5: just specifically to Levy schools. It's to Levy any group
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  Speaker 5: of more than twenty one people, right, any group of
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  Speaker 5: all the twenty one people. I mean, if you want
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  Speaker 5: to have a family picnic, and I have pretty large
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  Speaker 5: extended for family, and we all say we're going to
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  Speaker 5: go down to the park on Sunday afternoon and there's
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  Speaker 5: thirty of us. Is the council ranger going to come
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  Speaker 5: along and say, which one of you organize this? You
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  Speaker 5: have to pay your permit in order to sit in
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  Speaker 5: our park. Because if that is the bye law that
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  Speaker 5: says it's twenty one people. Then what is to stop
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  Speaker 5: them from doing that? You go down to Doll's Point
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  Speaker 5: during summer and there are masses of Pacific Islander families.
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  Speaker 5: They're playing volleyball, right, families. They having fun and playing
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  Speaker 5: music and cooking up the barbie and whatever. I mean.
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  Speaker 5: The councils will come along if if it spreads out
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  Speaker 5: of the Northern beaches, and I'll come along and say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you can't be having any joy around here, pay up
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  Speaker 5: your permit in order to sit here and have a
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  Speaker 5: barbecue and be a family. I mean, for goodness sake,
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  Speaker 5: twenty one. How do you sit on twenty one people
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  Speaker 5: as well? Why not twenty why not twenty two? No, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: this will eventually become attacks. On going to the park
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  Speaker 5: dam and picked out mark my word.
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  Speaker 1: And Zoey Butler, the mayor said, it's not about revenue raising,
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  Speaker 1: it's about fairness and equity, which means it's about revenue raising.
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  Speaker 1: But you know it's really insulting because, as I said,
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  Speaker 1: this is all about them trying to pay off their
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  Speaker 1: own in confidence and hitting everyone up for more fees.
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  Speaker 1: Grete Tunberg is back in Gaza, at least heading to Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: She first tried in June as part of a flotilla
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  Speaker 1: that tried to break the blockade set up by the Israelis.
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  Speaker 4: She was intercepted.
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  Speaker 1: She spent a day in Israel for being sent home
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  Speaker 1: on a plane. Interestingly, while she was in Israel, she
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  Speaker 1: was offered the chance to watch footage of the October
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  Speaker 1: seven attacks so she could see what was done to
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  Speaker 1: the Israelis.
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  Speaker 4: She refused to watch that.
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  Speaker 1: Her ignorance continues, and now she's setting off with others
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  Speaker 1: to try to break the blockade again. Here she is
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  Speaker 1: talking about her trip and she was asked specifically, fair enough,
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  Speaker 1: you're upset about what's happening to the Palestinians. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're all upset about what's happening to civilians, But what
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  Speaker 1: about the hostages.
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  Speaker 6: We know your views on what's happening and Israel's actions.
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  Speaker 6: Can I just ask you your thoughts on Hamas they're
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  Speaker 6: still holding hostages.
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  Speaker 2: What would your message to Hammas be?
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  Speaker 6: Again, there is a genocide going on. Palestinias have been
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: living under suffocating oppression, and when there's an occupational force,
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  Speaker 6: this is not my views. By international law, people have
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: a right to resist that occupation.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: She really is insufferable, isn't she? As I said, Last
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: time she tried this stunt, the Israeli has intercepted her boat.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: She was in Israel, I think for a night before
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: they sent her home. But this time they're promising not
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to be so nice. They've said they'll put her in jail,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and one of the prisons reserved for terrorists at that
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: so Frey, once again Israel doing the world's work. By
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the way, there's a little bonus to this. If they
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: do jail her, it means that if Australia is unfortunate
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: enough to host COP thirty one in twenty twenty six,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: we won't have to put up with Greta being on
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: our laws.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: That would definitely be a blessing. Thank you, Israel.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: But this is so infuriating because she is sitting there
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: lecturing the world from her Ivory tower about, oh, it's
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: not my view, it's just international law that her mass
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: is not really a terrorist organization. But she doesn't have
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the balls to actually watch what they did on October seven,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: and that I think is so hypocritical. You can't talk
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: about international law now this is just justified resistance, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: then not watch what resistance actually looks like, because I've
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: seen the full forty seven minute film that the IDF put.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Together of all the October seven.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Footage, and it is rape, it is murder, it is kidnapping,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: it is thousands of civilians coming across from Gaza by air,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: by land, by sea to capture innocent Israelis. There is
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: nothing about that that was resistance. It was pure terrorism
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: targeted at civilians. And so the goal for her to
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: lecture Israel about international law while not even being willing
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: to watch what her international law resistance actually is is
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: so hypocritical.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: The girl was a bozo, but I'm not sure what
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: locking her up really achieves. I think, if anything, it
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: gives her what she wants, which is to become the martyr,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: which is what she did last time when they intercepted
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: the boat and she said, oh you know, they've come
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: aboard and they're taking us and the Ra Ra Rah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's what she wants. She wants
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: the headline to say that Israel won't allow me to
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: go into Palestine. As far as I'm concerned, just let
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: her float on into Gaza, take her piddly amount of
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: aid that she's brought with her. On the boat and
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: just let her run free. Whatever happens to her in
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Gaza is her business. If she comes in the way
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: of a bullet, not my problem. We're not here to
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: protect you. Just leave her alone and let her get
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: on with it. I'm not sure what locking her up does?
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: The Israeli is a trapped either way, aren't they. If
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: she doesn't make it to Gaza, she used it for propaganda.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And if she does make it to Gaza, she'll use
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it for propaganda and will as well.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: And this is the thing, And she is talking to
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: an audience that is already on board with her basically.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, how many people are looking at anything Greta
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Tunberg says these days and going, oh geez, she's got
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: a really great point I never thought of before. I mean,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: she's preaching to the converted. So in terms of any
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: propaganda she could create in Gaza, I think really for
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: the broader world is minimal. Just let her go, let
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: her go, let her do her thing. It's snow skin.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Off my Speaking of letting people go, Trump's come up
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: with a plan to encourage Palestinians to leave Gaza so
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it can be rebuilt as a metropolis. He's suggesting that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Gazans be offered five thousand dollars each to voluntarily leave
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: for ten years so that it can be rebuilt.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Remember Trump put out.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: This video proposing that he be allowed to transform the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: area into something resembling modern day Dubai, bringing see no.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: More tunnels, no more fears.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I reckon Palestinians could do really well out of this
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: color because Trump would give them five grand to leave Gaza,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and then Kirstarma would give them ten grand to come
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: to England.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: I make quite a bit of money from.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: It, maybe, so I just I can't see it happening.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I can't see it working. You know, they might take
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: five grand up front, but this is a war that
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: has no real end to it long term because it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: an ethno religious war. It's a war over who has
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: the right to be on that land. And so you
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: can say he'll pay a five grand bagger of for
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: ten years while we build up our little metropolis here. Well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: you don't think they're not going to come back, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: you don't think they're not going to come back before
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: that teen years comes up. I just can't see in
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: any way that this works.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But they come back as it workers, don't they good
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: luck good Luck's part.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: It's a grandiose plan that I just can't see any people.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think this is the best shot
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: that they have realistically at any sort of productive future.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, you think about it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: The two States solution was first floated in nineteen thirty six.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It's been almost one hundred years of the world being
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: obsessed with the idea that once we give Palestinians land,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: then everything will be magically solved. That just does not work.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And I agree with you, Caleb. It is an ethnoreligious war.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: The Palestinian leadership has chosen Islamic Jhan and so there's
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: no way you can make peace with them other than deradicalization.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But what this plan would do is if we give
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: anyone who wants to flee, anyone who wants to choose
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a different life for themselves, the opportunity to do that. Now,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: what is interesting is Tony Blair, the former British Prime Minister,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: is advising the White House on their Middle East policy,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and the Tony Blair Institute apparently polled Gazans did some
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: research and the majority actually want Gaza to turn into
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the UAE. This is the vision that they want, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I think if you give people a vision for what's possible,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: a taste of prospers already like what they've done in
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the UAE, you can actually have a moderate Muslim Arab
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: country that is successful. But what I like about this
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: is it gives anyone who does want to leave the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: ability to because that's the reality at the moment, Egypt
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: has its borders shut and none of the Arab countries
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: will take Gazans. There's a reason for that, but this
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: would allow the civilians who want to get out the
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: possibility to.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: What do you do with the ones you don't want
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: to get out, Well.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: They're the Hamas terrorist you can quickly take out. Or
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: in the plan, actually you get a token that you
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: can then redeem for an apartment in the rebuilt metropolis.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: We have a part of this right is Gaza's a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: refugee camp essentially right that they've been getting refugee funding
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: from the United.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Nations for eons.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So if you're in a refugee camp and you're offered
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: will give you money that would provide rent and food
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: for an extended period, five thousand US would go quite away,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: depending on which country they're resettled in. You'd take that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: as a refugee rather than stay in a refugee camp.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: But they're not refugees. They want plans exactly.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: So why they received giving refugee money from the United
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Nations and have been for decades now.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: They get huge amounts of money.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you can go talk to the United
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Nations about that. We all know why that is. But
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: they want the land. And I think that's the simpli fact.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: You can give them all the money, all the team
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: in China and they're going to come back for that land.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Just you watch.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Let's go over to the United Kingdom, which you mentioned
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: a moment ago. They might be able to get ten
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: grand to go to the UK. Well, how about going
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: to the UK and joining in the Miss England competition,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: because they're doing some strange stuff over there now. The
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Missing Competition a couple of years ago got rid of
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: the bikini category because it's not PC. We can't do
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: that sort of stuff in beauty contests anymore. We must
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: prove in a beauty contest that you have intellectual capability.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: It's rather amusing, but one of the new categories that
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: they have brought in this year because you have to
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: pick a couple of different things in order to gain
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: points in this competition to work up the ladder, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: you can choose the tasks that you have to do.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: One of the tasks that they brought in that you
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: can take up. And I should note only three of
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: about thirty two semi finals of the competition have taken
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: this up is an AI thing. Now, what you have
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: to do is get your likeness, so your image turned
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: it into an avatar, and you can see some of
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: these avatars here by the way of contestants in the competition,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: and then try to sell the use of your likeness
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: in AI. So you can take an image of yourself
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: basically and turn it into a video, sell that likeness
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: to companies to use online for social media content. So
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: it's a bit like being an influencer, except you're not
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: actually the influencer. You don't have to say anything, you
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: don't have to record any videos. You just say, here's
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: an AI version of me. You can use it to
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: market a product, and whoever manages to get the most
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: companies to sign up with this gets the most points
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: for it. It reminds you or if you've ever watched
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Black Mirror. It's a series on Netflix and they go
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: into sort of the weird and wacky side of what
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: could be happening in the world. There was an episode
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: came out recently where they make an old movie remake
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: an old movie by wiring an actress's brain into the
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: original movie. Take a look. Redream is a system that
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: we're using.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: We're making a.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Movie in real type.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: They're AIS their constructs.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: None of this is real.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: I'm as ridden as you are, Commander at Tim Timmony.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: And that's basically what they're going to do now. Now, look,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I think there is a positive to this because it
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: could will be the end of the influencer because you
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: don't need real influencers anymore. We can just have fake
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: AI ones. But it starts with the influencers. And I
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: didn't speak up because I was not an influencer. But
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: when it becomes the television host, because if you can
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: have the influencers done by AI, the TV host done
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: by AI as well, and everything else, that is sort
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: of a person forward job. The road we're going down
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: here makes me very uncomfortable.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I understand why it is quite dystopian, but at the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: same time, I think this will actually make influencers more
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: important because brands won't just be looking for a pretty face.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: They're going to be looking for someone who has personality,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: who has people that listen to them, who has cut through.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And so really, I mean, I think the pivot that
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: will happen is jobs that can be easily automated where
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: there isn't much human quality involved. Those will be the
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: jobs that go to AI. But things so maybe modeling
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: for example, and already a lot of online stores are
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: using AI models to sell products. Guests ran a huge
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: ad campaign in Vogue with you can see on your
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: screen net with AI models that was in Vogue. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: there will always be a role for people to influence others.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: And this just mean means models have to differentiate themselves
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: and have some personality, which might be hard for a
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: lot of them.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Only is a massive own goal. I mean, if you
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: have a look at what they can do now with AI.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So you would supply one image and that that image
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: can be dressed in a dozen twenty fifty one hundred
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: different outfits used all over the place. You'd get paid
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: what once for the image, or you would get paid
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: each time it's used. Surely, after a while, you've done
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: yourself completely out of a job. But the irony of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this is this is the generation that talks about the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: importance of authenticity.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: You just got to be true to yourself. You've got
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: to be your authentic self.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And now they're creating AI images of themselves to sell off.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you can just I mean, who needs authenticity
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: when you can create anything you possibly want, which is
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: why people now, you know, talking to aibots like their
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: their friends or their girlfriends or their boyfriends or whatever.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: But if you are now saying this is a part
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: of a beauty competition, I mean, I thought the whole
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: point of a beauty competition was natural human beauty, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: now you're being judged on things that are the exact
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: opposite of the human experience and being a beautiful person.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: It's how well you can sell a fake version of
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: yourself created by a computer. I don't understand what that
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: has to do with modeling at all.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess they would say that if you're ugly,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: your AI is going to be ugly.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: No one will hire the AI anyway.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: But it does have some implications for beauty standards because
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: it's even more unrealistic now to look beautiful because it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: literally computer generated. But something else that is dividing the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: internet is Donald Trump. There have been rumors, conspiracy theories
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: going viral on social media that Donald Trump is dead.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: In fact, Donald Trump is dead was a trending hashtag
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: on x which is incredible, and it was all sparks
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: because he wasn't seen in public for four days, which
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: you know Trump, that is extremely rare. He did a
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: three hour live stream of a cabinet meeting last week
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: and then he mysteriously disappeared for four days. But we
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: can confirm Trump is in fact alive and well. He
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: made a comeback on the golf course with his granddaughter
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Kai Trump, and he also posted on truth social never
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: felt better in my life. Also, DC is a crime
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: for his own president DJT. Look, it was interesting seeing
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the celebrations that were occurring on social media from some
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: lefties who actually thought he could be dead. But for
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the sake of the world, for the sake of world peace,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: for American crime, I am glad Trump is still alive
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: and well.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: This is pretty funny because you know, Trump disappears for
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of days and Lefties lose their minds. Joe
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Biden disappeared for four years and LEFTI has never said.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: A thing about it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And the same people who hid Joe Biden's cognitive decline
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: are the very people now spreading the rumors of Trump
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: death or at least Trump's ill health.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: The truth is Trump.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Is one of the hardest working presidents I've seen, I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: think we've seen in a long long time. He took
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a couple of days off and all of a sudden
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: everyone's in uproar that. The thing about the Democrats, though,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: is the way the Democrats hope to win is by
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: destroying their opponent. They don't win by coming up with
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: better policy, by managing their states better. They try to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: win by either demonizing their opponent or hoping that Trump's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: dropped dead and that might be the solution for their
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: electoral fortunes to change.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Well, the only problem with that is that in order
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: for it to work, he actually has to be dead,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: and would turn out that he is not dead, so
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: it doesn't help them whatsoever. It is amusing, is it not?
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: That you know? The left seems to think that Donald
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Trump and everyone who believes in MAGA is a conspiracy
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: theorist in some way or another. But they're all jumping
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: up and down about a conspiracy theory that Donald Trump
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: is actually dead, and then he comes out on the
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: weekend and they say, well, well, you know, he looks
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: a bit blow to it. I mean, that's not the
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: real guy. That's somebody double standing in for it. And
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: you mentioned the fact that Biden was missing for four years,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: which is true, but to draw an almost direct comparison,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: almost every second weekend, Biden was on the beach in Delaware.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: He was no one heard from him, he wasn't working.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: He would disappear for days on end regularly, and the
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Dems didn't have an issue with that. But Donald Trump
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: sort of goes quiet for four days. Oh the guy
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: must be dead. I mean, what did they think Biden
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: was doing all that time?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: It actually speaks to the work ethic of Trump that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: if he does go quite for a few days, it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: everybody under what is going on because he just dominates
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the news cycle twenty four to seven.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: So maybe it's a backhanded compt.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Democrats were calling for the twenty fifth Amendment
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: to be used against Trump to impeach him. That's the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: amendment that says the president can be removed if they
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: are senile or incapable of being president. Which again, the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: same Democrats who spent four years defending Biden are the
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: ones now saying we have to impeach Trump with the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: twenty fifth Amendment.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Where was that like a year ago?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: There you go, Well, let's go to Queensland quickly, where
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a wind farm has been canceled by the LNP government.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: The Chris of Foley government put out a video explaining
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the decision.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Another one bust the dust, another one buys the dust.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So there you go, another wind farm, bite the dust.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: This was a two hundred and sorry two billion dollar
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: wind farm with two hundred and twenty six turbine would
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: numbers that were meant to be be quite colored, two
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five meters high these turbines, and it's
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: been canceled because the Queensland government have determined it wasn't
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: going to be good for the environment. There was a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: lack of consultation with people who lived in the region,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and there was a change of ownership with the company
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that brought about uncertainty.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: To cancel this.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: They got rid of a law that was brought in
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: by the previous government that enabled these developments to go
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: through without the normal Tea's being crossed and I is
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: being dotted. The company, I should point out, says they
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: will reapply under the new legislation. But this is a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: big blow for the federal government because, of course there
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was that report just a few weeks ago saying the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: only way we can reach net zero and have reliable
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: energy as if every project that is on the books
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: goes ahead on time. Well, here's a major project that's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: not going ahead at all.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: They have to wonder what's left. I mean, all the
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: green hydrogen projects are falling over. All the offshore wind
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: is falling over. This is falling over. I mean, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: pardon the pun, these projects are falling over at a
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: rate of knots. But meanwhile, this morning here on Sky
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: and Us, Jane Hume, Liberal Senator of course, says that
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the Libs need to get on board with net zero again.
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  Speaker 7: The electorate has told us time and time again that
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: they want to see a lower emissions future.
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  Speaker 2: They want to embrace net zero.
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  Speaker 7: And when the Liberal Party is putting together it's policy platform,
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: it should consider not just the seats that we hold,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: but the thirty three that we need in order to
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: form government, and those thirty three electorates have said that
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: they want a net zero literature.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: I'll give you free tip. No one in outer suburban
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: seeds is voting on the basis of net zero very
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: quickly before we get to a break. Apparently, the reason
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: we're all obsessed with interest rates is because we have
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: nothing else to talk about. Yes, these are the words
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: of the former RBA governor Glenn Stevens, who has been
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: talking to an RBA historian apparently putting together an oral
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: history of the RBA, and he is quoted as saying,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: I think the problem is there's not enough else to
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: talk about. Seriously, the UK has floating rate mortgages too,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: and the interest rates are a topic of discussion there politically,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: but so as the Middle East and a bunch of
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: other stuff that the UK is a bigger country is
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: sort of involved in. And of course in America there's
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: so many other things to talk about. But here in
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: little old Australia, what are we going to amuse ourselves
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: with a lot of media capacity and not enough real
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: news to fill it. That used to be my answer anyway,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: and I still don't have a better one. So there
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: you go. From the former RBA governor, the only reason
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: you're worried about your interest rates going up or down
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: is because you've got nothing better to worry about, buddy.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: I think you need to get out of it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're to go to a break when we come back,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: but look at what's making news tomorrow, including a sex
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: offender sentenced to thirty years jail escapes electing to be
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: euthanized because victims are pretty upset social state government. We'll
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: talk about that more in just a moment. Welcome back
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to the program. Well, as I said before the break,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: there's an interesting story in the papers tomorrow about a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: sex offender who's managed to escape jail.
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  Speaker 4: It's in the Daily Telegraph, Caleb.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed, it is the headline Creton gets easy way out,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: which is one way of putting it. I probably would
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: have used some words that are not printable on the
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: front of the newspaper, but go there. A depraved sex
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: offend I mean to serve thirty years behind bars for
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: his monstrous crimes, was granted permission to quote unquote die
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: with dignity in the state's first case of voluntary assisted
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: dying in custody. Convicted predator Daniel Hume, a known pedophile
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: who lived in Port mcquarie, used VAD after his application
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: was approved by Justice Health officials in a controversial first
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: for the new South Wales prison system. The Daily Telegraph
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: can reveal Hume was diagnosed with terminal cancer after seven
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: years in custody and applied to Justice Health to end
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: his suffering, sparking outcry from prison officials and victim advocates.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised it has taken this long to be honest,
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: and a case exactly like this happened in South Australia
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: two years ago for a pedophile who had terminal cancer
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: applied for and was granted euthanasia. And I made the
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: argument in the pages of the Advertiser at the time
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: that despite the fact that you may be entitled to
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: it under law, and that's what Justice Health and the
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: state government have said in this case is that it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: an independent decision made by an independent body about who's
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: able to access this stuff on the basis of the
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: law which says it's available to you as healthcare if
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: you've got a terminal illness, if you are in jail.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Particularly for an offense such as interfering with a child,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: you lose your rights. I mean, that's why you are
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: in jail. We say you lose the right to be
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: a member of society. We lock you away. And so
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: on what basis do you get to say, I'm going
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: to check out? Now? What about the kids that are
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: abused by this absolute monster. They they get to check
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: out whenever they want. Their pain lasts forever, and this
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: bastard gets to say, oh, well, I've got terminal cancer,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: so I want to offer myself. I'm sorry. You shouldn't
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: have the right.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Well, we shouldn't define euthanasia as healthcare, and then the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: problem would be solved. That wouldn't be an argument as
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to whether or not prisoners should be denied healthcare, because
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that would be the legal issue on which this turns.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: The other interesting case about this is that the Voluntary
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Assisted Dying Board did not advise the Corrections Minister or
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the Health Minister about this, so they were notified after
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the event, which is quite extraordinary.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: It's so so wrong, And if there's any legal loophole
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: that he's using anyways exercise in his rights, amendments to
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: the law should be brought forward today to stop this
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: from happening.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the front page of the Herald's son.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Of course, the hunt for Desi Freeman continues. The headline reads,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: stop helping cop killer. Police have hit out members of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the public for shielding cop killer Desi Freeman as a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: search for the fugitive stretches into its eighth day, police
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: saying people had been harboring Freeman and helping him to
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: evade the man hunt. Police know the where people know
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the whereabouts of the person who's killed two cops. Superintendent
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Brett Kahan said, you're committing an extremely serious crime by
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: harboring or assisting in the escape of Desi Freeman.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: This constitution.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a change in terms of the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: police strategy for finding him. Previously, they'd been appealing directly
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to him to give himself up. Today police appealed to
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: those who may be harboring him or assisting him to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: give themselves up in return for leniency.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: And clearly they are of the belief that he is
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: still alive, which you would think if he was trying
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: to get around in the country as he was originally,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: would be highly unlikely given that the weather circumstances they've
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: had up there, so they clearly of the belief that
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: someone is helping him out.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: The other sorry, well I was going to say, is
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: that's crazy and who the heck would put their life
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: on the line. I mean, you're committing a crime by
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: helping someone evade the police. Why are you potentially wrecking
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: your life to help and the alleged cop killer.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the suggestion is that these people helping him would
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: be part of the Sovereign Citizens movement, and so they're
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: helping him as part of that. The other interesting story
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: on the front page of the Herald's son which is
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: some I think we all realize, and I think we
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: realized that intuitively before science started to conduct studies to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: prove it, but to reinforce the point, screens harm kids,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: says the headline. The longer kids look at screens, the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: less time they spend talking, developing their brains, sleeping and moving.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And the international study has found with three quarters of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: children aged under two on screens against expert recommendations. The
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: most profound impact is on toddlers and this comes as
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: an Australian research researcher finds that babies as young as
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: six months spend an hour on screens a day?
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Can you believe that that's just insane? And look part
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: of me. I understand as parents, it'd be really hard.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: What do you do with your kids all day? Parents
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: are forced basically to both go back to work pretty
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: quickly after having children. But that is a tragedy that
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: they're not actually parenting their children. Instead, you're outsourcing it
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: to the TV, to the iPad, to Netflix or whatever,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: and it's so wrong and it's going to leave lasting
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: damage on these children's brains.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: I suspect that the tech free lifestyle is going to
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: become the next big parenting trend. As these studies mount
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: up and the evidence becomes clear, I reckon that's where
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: we're headed.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: And it's not about place where that will fall down.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Is for tech free parenting to happen, parents would have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to go tech free, that maybe.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: The fly coparents will have to be around to be
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: with their children instead of giving them screens. But in
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the towns will bulletin tomorrow a big headline on the
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: front grave error crematorium.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Leaks into neighbour's backyard.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Neighbors living next to a funeral home that performs water
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: cremations were left horrified after the machine leaked and seeped
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: into their backyard. The disturbing incident was confirmed by the business,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: who said the machine malfunctioned during a water cremation and
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: spilt through the boundary. Now, if you're confused about what
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: water cremation is, apparently it's an environmentally friendly way of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: cremating someone where you use water and a saline liquid.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: To dissolve the flesh.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So these people have like dissolved flesh flowing into their backyards.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Well, their vegetable garden is doing very very well here,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: So you know what have.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: You had to complain about it? Go, yeah, shit, I'm
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: putting the veggie patch.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Nah, that is disgusting. But also in the Townsville bulletin tomorrow,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: GPS trackers.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: For high risk TV offenders.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: The Queensland government is implementing stringent new measures against high
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: risk domestic and family violence perpetrators. A new GPS tracker
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: pilot program, slated to begin in October, will monitor offenders
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: movements around the clock. Now, this is in stark contrast
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: what we're seeing here in New South Wales, where they've
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: just banned private GPS tracking for people out on bail.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: But it seems like a really common sense move. You
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: have someone who's been convicted of domestic violence, of course
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you should be tracking them.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And we've seen so many horrible crimes committed by blokes
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: who were supposed to be kept.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Away from spouses or exes.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Anything we can do to prevent those tragedies, they should
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: absolutely do it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Indeed, but you know in Queensland they can be monitoring
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: these people twenty four to seven. In New South Wales
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: they say you've got to take a selfie and see
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: it down to the cops every hour to prove you
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: are where you are. I mean a tale of two cities,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I tell you. On the front of The Australian Tomorrow,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: says transparency has a price sale. Peter restrict scrutiny of
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: frank advice laborable force Australians to pay to access most
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Commonwealth documents in the biggest restrictions for freedom of information
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: in fifteen years, claiming the clampdown will help bureaucrats overcome
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: barriers to giving frank and fearless advice to Anthony Albanesi's ministers,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: despite the Prime Minister promising to bring transparency back to
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: the after the secrecy of the Scott Morrison era. The
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: government will on Wednesday present to build a titan freedom
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: of information laws through measures such as banning anonymous requests
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: and charging fees to lodge fois. Yes, that's right. If
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: you want to know what is going on in the
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: government that you already pay for with your taxes, you
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: will have to pay more money. You just wonder what
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: they have to hide, don't you.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And of course it's just a little bit more revenue
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: raising on behalf of a government that only knows how
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to spend. We're going to go to a break when
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: we come back. The AFLW jumper that had everybody looking
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: twice will show you why in a moment, and the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: multi millionaire wishing he didn't snatch a hat from a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: kid at the US Open tennis tournament, all of that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in the moment. Well, the US Open is currently being
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: played in New York, but people aren't talking about action
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: on the court.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: They're talking about what's happening in the grandstand.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, and this is one moment I'm sure this Polish
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: millionaire will wish he could forget. Basically, a Polish player
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: was signing autographs after winning in the second round of
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: the US Open. He handed his cap to the boy
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: and then you can see this other guy next to
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: which also happens to be a Polish guy, grabs the
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: cap almost out of the boy's head, gives it to
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: his wife and she stashes it in her bag. Now
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: this has led to outrage negative reviews on Polish job
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: sites about the guy's business. He's deactivated all his social
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: media accounts. But the good news is that the tennis
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: plan did manage to connect with the boy and make amends,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: so hopefully happily ever after.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: But how slack is that?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I agree with you absolutely, I would wish he could
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: have that moment back, which obviously an instinct reaction, but
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a really bad.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: If your instinct is to steal from a kid.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: As I said, you have bad instinct, did not think
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: that way.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: That is not good. Alex Steveno was playing at one am.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: I think as well to get into the semi finals too,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: So go the Aussies. And while we're talking about sport,
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: over at the afl W, they've been having their indigenous rounds,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: so Dug Nichols round and so they have indigenous designs
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: on their guernseys for the round and well over to
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: the Brisbane Lines. They may have made a small era.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Well I suppose it depends on whether you see what
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: I'm seeing on the screen at the moment look at
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: the placement. I mean you can see they're that sort
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: of semi circle with what's meant to be a tree
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: coming out of it, but it just happens to sit
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: right above the buttocks of these women. And many people
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: were in the stands or looking at those images on
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: their televisions and going, what on earth is going on there?
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Why have these ladies pulled their shorts down while they're
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: playing football? It turns out it was actually the design.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: They weren't running around with their trousers down at all.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: But when I saw it, I have to say I
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: did do a double take because I didn't realize that
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: it was actually part of the design. What on ear
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: he's going on there? Whoever did that I think needs
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: to go back to the drawing board, and perhaps the
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Brisbane linees deserve a reef.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I know they're concerned about crowds at AFLW.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: That is not the way to boot attendance. I can
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: tell you just before we Go.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: A twenty year old Australian has declared himself president of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a brand new country, planting a flag on a piece
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: of land between Croatia and Serbia that was left unclaimed
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: after Croatia claimed independence in nineteen ninety five. Daniel Jackson
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: is the young Australian who's been selling citizenships online. He's
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: so far got four hundred people who have paid a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: substantial amount of money to become citizens of his new
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: nation of Vertice. He's issued them with passports which have
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: apparently been used officially at different borders, and Croatia have
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: said you're not stepping foot on this plot of land,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: which is about the size of Vatican City. He's currently
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: protesting outside Gracious Embassy in the UK for rights to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: take up his land.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Look, I wish him all the best. I think that's wonderful.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: It's unclaimed land, he followed the rules. Why not give
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: it a go.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Indeed, very enterprising young man. That's all from us stick around.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Coming up is the reader Pennety Show