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Gaza Doctor (Aziz Rahman_ MD) _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _602(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a doctor from Wisconsin who recently returned
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  Speaker 1: from a two-week medical mission trip in Gaza where he
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  Speaker 1: provided aid at one of the last functioning hospitals there.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all of it, the tragedy,
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  Speaker 1: the ups, the downs, the diabolicalness, the hope. I am
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  Speaker 1: very grateful for his time. This episode can get a
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  Speaker 1: bit intense. I'm or a bit graphic at times. So
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  Speaker 1: if that's not for you, then this may not be
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  Speaker 1: for you. Today's guest is Dr. Aziz Rahman.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Rahman, thanks for joining me today, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, especially on short notice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it, man. You, we'll just get right into,
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  Speaker 1: you did a service in, you're a doctor? Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And you just got a, you just did a service
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza. And how did they say it there?
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  Speaker 2: Did they say Gaza?
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  Speaker 1: Gaza. But you can say Gaza. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was saying Gaza when I was there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked out. Cool. I came back. What hospital
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  Speaker 1: were you stationed at over there?
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  Speaker 2: So Nasser Hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you probably heard on the news that it's
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  Speaker 2: the last functioning hospital in Gaza. And it truly is. Um,
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  Speaker 2: there's other smaller hospitals, but they're really not functioning at
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  Speaker 2: a scale of a hospital.
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  Speaker 1: And how do you get chosen to go there? You
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  Speaker 1: live in Milwaukee and you, um, you doctor out of
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee currently.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. So you go through your own hospital, do it? Uh, no,
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  Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with my hospital. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even tell my hospital I was going.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I just told one of my colleagues, he helped
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  Speaker 2: me with my schedule and I reached out to one
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  Speaker 2: of these organizations and then they reached out back to
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  Speaker 2: me when there was a spot available. And, uh, they
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  Speaker 2: told me, Hey, we got this, uh, spot available in
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  Speaker 2: two months. Are you willing to go? And when I
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  Speaker 2: got that invitation from them, I, I was on a
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  Speaker 2: plane back to my family. And, uh, I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: how am I going to tell my wife, my kids,
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  Speaker 2: my mom, my dad. So that's all I was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: you know? And, uh, yeah, landed, uh, the kids were
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  Speaker 2: put to sleep, went to my wife and I was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's go have some cup of coffee. And, um, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, Hey, I have this opportunity. She's like, it's Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, God, how'd you know?
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  Speaker 1: She knew, huh?
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  Speaker 2: She knew because, you know, this has been going on
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  Speaker 2: for so long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I've been talking about it at work.
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  Speaker 2: I've been talking about with my friend what I would
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  Speaker 2: call and many would call a genocide, even though it
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  Speaker 2: hasn't legally been defined. I mean, it hurts, man. I
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  Speaker 2: found myself coming home from work, you know, after a
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  Speaker 2: good day's work, which is unhappy. You know, I was
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  Speaker 2: just like, man, like there's kids dying out there. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm taking care of these adults, you know. with alcoholic cirrhosis.
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  Speaker 2: They made these decisions to their liver, for example. But
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  Speaker 2: these kids, they are innocent, right? And then I come
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  Speaker 2: home and see my children running up to me, asking
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  Speaker 2: me to play video games with them, watch TV, have
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  Speaker 2: some snacks. I'm saying, this dichotomy is so hard to reconcile.
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  Speaker 2: And so when I got this invitation, it was almost
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  Speaker 2: like this opportunity to decompress, if that makes any sense,
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  Speaker 2: in the war zone. And it's weird, right? It's like
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  Speaker 2: a paradox. Why the hell would you decompress in a
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  Speaker 2: war zone? But I almost needed to do something with
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  Speaker 2: my hands. And, you know, I'm a proceduralist as a
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  Speaker 2: background in medicine. So I like to do things with
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  Speaker 2: my hand, right?
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  Speaker 1: What does proceduralist mean? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm an interventional radiologist. I actually was the first
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  Speaker 2: interventional radiologist to go to Gaza in the world. And
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  Speaker 2: it's one of the newest specialties in medicine where we
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  Speaker 2: use image guidance to do basically like minimally invasive procedures.
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  Speaker 2: So like, for example, historically, if you have a big,
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  Speaker 2: you know, infection in your stomach, they would incise your,
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  Speaker 2: you know, your abdomen open and take, you know, drain
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  Speaker 2: the infection. So now we can just take a CAT
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  Speaker 2: scan and put a drain right through your skin into it.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of a one hour procedure, it's five minutes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and you don't have to stay in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to get sutures and there's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can basically take clots out of the arteries of
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  Speaker 2: the legs for diabetics. And, and, uh, it's a whole
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  Speaker 2: different specialty. It's actually the newest specialty in medicine. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was officially credentialed, I think in 2013 when
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  Speaker 2: I was graduating medical school.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to tell your wife, she signs off.
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  Speaker 1: How long after that are you on a plane to
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  Speaker 1: go to Gaza?
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  Speaker 2: Two months later, I'm on a plane to, I'm on Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: So you're still not, even though I got permission from
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  Speaker 2: my family, I have not gotten permission from the authorities
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  Speaker 2: that be. And you might ask who that is. So
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  Speaker 2: that's Israel. Israel makes all final decisions about who comes
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  Speaker 2: in and who comes out. As you know, international journalists
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  Speaker 2: are not allowed in. In fact, doctors are pretty much
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  Speaker 2: Health care workers are essentially the only people allowed in,
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  Speaker 2: and even that is extremely scrutinized. So we had 22
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  Speaker 2: applicants for this two-week medical mission that we were on,
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  Speaker 2: and only six of us got in.
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  Speaker 1: So you had 22 applicants. What do you mean? That
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  Speaker 1: just said applied for it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 22 physicians across the world for this two weeks
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  Speaker 2: were intending to come. And the organization I went with
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  Speaker 2: was Rahma Worldwide. They're based in Michigan. And they basically–
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  Speaker 2: over accept people knowing that there's about a 75% rejection rate. So, um,
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  Speaker 2: so after all that rejection, like some people flew in
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  Speaker 2: from the UK, some people flew in from Egypt and
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  Speaker 2: they just flew right back after they got the denial letter.
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  Speaker 1: In Jordan, you mean?
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  Speaker 4: In Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to be there because you find out
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  Speaker 2: if you're in or out 12 hours before we go in.
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  Speaker 2: So 7am, for example, on a Thursday morning where the
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  Speaker 2: bus is waiting for us in front of the hotel, well,
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  Speaker 2: you have to be there by 10 p.m., and that's
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  Speaker 2: when we get the Excel document that shows us if
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  Speaker 2: we're in or out, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And so some of you staff don't know until right
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  Speaker 1: there in Jordan if you're getting approved, like if you
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  Speaker 1: made the team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's every physician.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. So you have to go all the way there,
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  Speaker 1: all that, and then you still might not make it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even after you get accepted, you still might not
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  Speaker 2: make it because now you have to go through Jordanian checkpoint,
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  Speaker 2: then you have to go through the Israeli checkpoint, and
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  Speaker 2: then after you get through the Israeli checkpoint, then there's
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  Speaker 2: a Gaza checkpoint. And so what would be a three-hour
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  Speaker 2: journey if there was no checkpoints takes about 14 to
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  Speaker 2: 16 hours.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And does Palestine have a say in who it
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  Speaker 1: lets in? Like, is there a Palestinian authority also that
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  Speaker 1: you go through?
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  Speaker 2: There's no border crossing that you have to go through
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  Speaker 2: through Palestinian governance that determines if you can go in
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  Speaker 2: and out. It's all Israeli and Jordanian.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Got it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Jordanian just gets you through into the Israeli side. And
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  Speaker 2: then Israeli authorities basically, you know, check your bags and
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  Speaker 2: do all your background checks, check your passport, and then
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  Speaker 2: they give you a little document saying you can go.
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  Speaker 1: So take me through your first day arriving at the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: So we left at 7 a.m. Amman, and we got
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  Speaker 2: to a safe house, like 11 p.m. or something along
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  Speaker 2: those lines, and they fed us some pita bread and hummus,
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  Speaker 2: and they apologized for not having any real food, like
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  Speaker 2: meat and whatnot. So we didn't actually get to the
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  Speaker 2: hospital until the following morning, so Friday morning, so about
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  Speaker 2: 24 hours after we left Amman, Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: And, or is there like, or like hopes high? Is
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  Speaker 1: there like excitement? Like what are, what are some of
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  Speaker 1: the energy going on at that point? Are you guys
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  Speaker 1: just exhausted?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the, the six of us, um, this was our
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  Speaker 2: first time going to Gaza. Some, some people have been
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  Speaker 2: multiple times. Oh, we were excited, man. We were like,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to save Gaza. We are going to do it. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: it was a, it was a fun group. We were
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  Speaker 2: all there for the same mission for the same intentions. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I had a five month old baby that I left behind.
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  Speaker 2: One of the guys had a six month old baby
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  Speaker 2: and the other guy went up to us and had
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  Speaker 2: like a two week old baby. I'm like, dude, what's
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  Speaker 2: wrong with you, man?
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  Speaker 1: Dude, you gotta see. It's a little soon to be leaving.
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  Speaker 2: It is right. But somehow our wives all let us go.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So he kind of bonded over that too.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. Um, but the energy was high. The energy
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  Speaker 1: was high. And how many doctors are at the hospital
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  Speaker 1: that you're working at?
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, that's, that's tough to answer.
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  Speaker 1: Hundreds. Hundreds. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The reason for that is because there's another hospital, major
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  Speaker 2: hospital in Khan Yun, it's called European General Hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And that just got blown to smithereens kind of in,
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  Speaker 2: before June, before we went. And, you know, they were
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  Speaker 2: saying there's a Hamas operative in the tunnels, so they
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  Speaker 2: basically dropped a bunker buster in front of the European
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  Speaker 2: General Hospital and basically shut that down. So all those doctors,
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  Speaker 2: all those nurses essentially got shunted to Nasser Hospital. So
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  Speaker 2: now there's an overabundance of some doctors at Nasser Hospital,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, as we can get into, there is
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  Speaker 2: a systemic targeting of specialized physicians in Gaza. So for example,
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  Speaker 2: there's only two neurosurgeons, you know, um, and so there
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  Speaker 2: are some specialties that are lacking.
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  Speaker 1: And, uh, what do you mean a systemic targeting?
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  Speaker 2: So, um, if you look at UN data, um, about
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  Speaker 2: 500 physicians and nurses have been killed. Um, a thousand
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  Speaker 2: have been injured and I think 300 are still in custody.
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  Speaker 2: There's one of the hospital directors, he's a pediatrician, Abu Safiya,
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  Speaker 2: Hussam Abu Safiya. He's been in jail since December, no
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  Speaker 2: charges against him.
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  Speaker 1: In America?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: In Gaza. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's an amazing individual. And I think one of the
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  Speaker 2: most iconic pictures of him being arrested is he's the
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  Speaker 2: last person to leave his hospital because he just wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: leave the incubated babies behind. And once they left, then
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  Speaker 2: Israel basically said, Come walk to the tanks. So he's
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  Speaker 2: in his white coat in this, like, debris-filled Gaza picture,
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  Speaker 2: and there's two tanks there, and he gets arrested. He's
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  Speaker 2: never seen since then. It's pretty wild, man.
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  Speaker 1: The United Nations Human Rights Office issued a statement on
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  Speaker 1: July 16, 2025, providing data and details regarding the killing
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  Speaker 1: of medical professionals in Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Like, look at since 2023.
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  Speaker 1: Gaza's Ministry of Health reports that at least 15— Oh, wow. 1,581
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  Speaker 1: health workers have been killed in Gaza since October 7th, 2023.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, healthcare workers in America are probably
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  Speaker 2: like the most sacred specialty in society, right? Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not trying to pull myself on a pedestal, but I
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  Speaker 2: respect my physician.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like my primary care doctor is taking care of me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to respect that guy, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So this was a risky choice for you to make
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  Speaker 1: to go. It was.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, I actually wrote some letters to my
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  Speaker 2: kids before I left. And I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I'm coming back. I had the hope I
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  Speaker 2: would come back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, anything could have happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look at those numbers. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, realistically, they're targeting Gazan doctors, Palestinian doctors.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they would want to target an international,
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  Speaker 2: especially American physician. That's just such a PR nightmare. But
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  Speaker 2: has it happened before?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: You know, look in the West Bank. They just killed
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  Speaker 2: an American kid from Florida on vacation there. Another was
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  Speaker 2: the Al Jazeera reporter. They, you know, they sniped and
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  Speaker 2: she died on the spot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Israel's whole country is a PR nightmare right now,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like. So I wouldn't put anything past him
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  Speaker 1: right now, I don't think. But I just feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's very brave of you to go. Are you guys
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  Speaker 1: sleeping at the hospital or what's like? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there's an international doctor's lounge basically on the top floor.
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  Speaker 2: And all the doctors from the different NGOs kind of
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  Speaker 2: sleep in this one area, whether you're from America or
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  Speaker 2: UK or Australia, whatever. So the men have their own
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  Speaker 2: call room and then the females have their own call room.
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  Speaker 2: But then there's this joint space where the local Gazans
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  Speaker 2: make us food. kind of just hang out. The news
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  Speaker 2: is going. There's a little balcony. We can look out
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  Speaker 2: the window. So it's a nice place to kind of
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  Speaker 2: just breathe without any patients or locals there. So we
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  Speaker 2: kind of had our own space, which was nice. But
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  Speaker 2: we were eating the local food.
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  Speaker 1: And what was your shift like? What's your shift there like? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it depends on your specialty.
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  Speaker 2: Again, I was the only interventional radiologist in the area.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was two interventional radiology doctors in all
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  Speaker 2: of Gaza. Just for comparison, there's probably like 600 in Chicago.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So when I got there, Basically, those other two told
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  Speaker 2: everyone at Nassar, hey, there's this guy. He's an interventional radiologist.
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  Speaker 2: Give him all your cases because they come down like
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  Speaker 2: once a week. So if there's a patient who needs
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  Speaker 2: a procedure, they need to wait seven days for essentially.
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  Speaker 2: As for like, for example, the ER doctors, especially the
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  Speaker 2: ones we came with, they typically do eight or 12
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  Speaker 2: hour shifts in America. So when they got there, the
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  Speaker 2: energy was high. Oh, we're going to do, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a 12 hour shift. And then the locals just laughed.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, no, you're not. You're going to do a
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  Speaker 2: four hour shift because you're not going to make it
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  Speaker 2: more than that. And it turns out they were right.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so intense. It's the most intense traumatic experience.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think any physician can understand. I would say
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  Speaker 2: take the most experienced trauma surgeon, you know, in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 2: which is like one of the biggest trauma centers in
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  Speaker 2: America and put them in Gaza. And it's like child's
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  Speaker 2: play compared to what's going on in Gaza. You're talking
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  Speaker 2: about like an influx of like 400 patients in like
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  Speaker 2: four hours with 30 casualties on arrival, 30 headshots on arrival.
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  Speaker 2: 30 critical mass shots on arrival. And then like everything
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  Speaker 2: in between women, children, elderly men, young boys. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just like, what, how the heck do you triage all this? And, um,
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  Speaker 2: that was every day, man. So it took a mental toll.
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  Speaker 1: What's that first moment that you noticed? Like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: this is a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the first day we got there, um, was actually
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  Speaker 2: pretty chill the Friday. But then the Saturday they had
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  Speaker 2: the MCI, it's called a mass casualty incident. And they
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  Speaker 2: basically pull a fire alarm. I was like, what the
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  Speaker 2: hell is that? Oh, every doctor come down to the
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  Speaker 2: ER to try to help. And so I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So went downstairs, got in there. It's just like brain
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  Speaker 2: matter coming out of people. There's guts coming out of
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  Speaker 2: people's abdomens. There's people's legs blown off and someone's carrying
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  Speaker 2: it in next to the, you know, one of the
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  Speaker 2: family members bringing it in for the doctors. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they think you can just reattach it. And it's just
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  Speaker 2: like absolute chaos. There's family members, Security in the hospital
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  Speaker 2: is trying to push out the family members so the
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  Speaker 2: doctors and nurses can take care of the patients. It's
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  Speaker 2: absolute chaos. And then us American physicians are just like
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  Speaker 2: looking at each other like, what is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: And that's when reality hit. And I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: this must be like a one-off. And it just kept
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  Speaker 2: happening every day. And sometimes multiple times a day. Essentially, basically,
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  Speaker 2: we found the pattern related to when the GHF sites
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  Speaker 2: were opening up.
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  Speaker 1: GHF.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is this American and Israeli initiative
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  Speaker 2: to bring in aid to Gaza, which basically has taken
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  Speaker 2: over all of the UN aid agencies. The UN has
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  Speaker 2: been doing this for 75, whatever, since World War II, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I think in March, officially, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is
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  Speaker 2: the only one allowed to bring aid into Gaza. to Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been hearing a lot about this recently in
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  Speaker 1: the news that there's like these long lines for aid
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  Speaker 1: for food, right? You've been hearing a lot about like
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: mass starvation and famine being created, being used as a
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: genocide tool. What do you see or notice with that, right?
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Like you're hearing that people are like the food is
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: set up and it's a trap. You're hearing that Hamas
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: controls the food. You're hearing all of these things. But
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: we know, like you said earlier, international journalists aren't allowed
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: To cover this, right?
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yeah. That's right.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: And so what did you see? What did you notice?
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: We were hearing testimony from everyone coming in that the
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: GHF sites is a death trap. And, you know, I'll
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: just get into some psychology of some of the people there. So,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: you know, in Islam, suicide is forbidden, right? But the
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: situation there where almost everyone is depressed is that some
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: people who have lost everything, they're their, their families or
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: kids almost want to die. So they will, they'll go
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: to GHF kind of hoping they'll die.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Go, going to these food lines and these, these.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: They're just hoping they get shot because, because the statistics
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: are there. Like, you know, you're seeing a hundred, um,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: dead every day and like 300 injured every day. Like
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: it's almost consistent for the last month or two, you know? And, um,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and that's what we were seeing when we were there.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: We were seeing a hundred a day and 300 injured
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: a day for pretty much the two weeks that we
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: were there.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: This says right here, um, In Gaza, more Palestinians are
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: killed while waiting for food aid. At least 325 people
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: in Gaza were killed by Israeli forces while trying to
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: reach food last week. According to Gaza's health ministry, that
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: figure included 24 people killed on Saturday, 14 on Sunday.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: The deadly search for food is happening despite Israeli assurances
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: of a humanitarian pause and attacks to let more aid
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: in as deaths from malnutrition soaring Gaza and starvation grips
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the territory. What was the date on that? August 3rd.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: That's recent.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I think they've been exposed quite a little bit more since,
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you know, Anthony Aguilar came up. But as of June,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if we can go back,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: but we were seeing 100 in Gaza a day, basically.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: But that's also between bombings within Gaza, not necessarily.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: During the time you were there, how many were you
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: guys seeing a day, honestly?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Patients.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From humanitarian aid sites? Oh, probably like 200.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So Muslim people can't take their own life because of
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: their religion?
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: So you were seeing some of them who had gone
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to humanitarian aid sites and were purposely putting themselves in
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: situations to take their own life, but without them having
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So I didn't actually see that. I am in contact
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: with a lot of the medical students and nurses and
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: physicians right now. And one of them literally just told
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: me this past week, you know, if my wife and
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: kid die, I'm going to GHF site and I hope
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I'm taken. That's essentially, you know, almost like I hope
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I die when I'm there. So it's real. You know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the psychology there is strange. We were at a table
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: with our medical student, you know, a couple of us
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: doing rounds, which means talking about cases, talking about patients.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And one of our medical students is like, what happens
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to the body after death? So we were like, whoa,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: you know, we kind of just like talked a little
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: bit spiritually. And then she's like, my uncle and 20
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: family members just got drone striked like an hour ago
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and not a single tear, not a single facial expression.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, my God. How do I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: respond to that? If that happened in America, you would
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: tell your medical school, take a week off, take a
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: month off, do whatever you need to do. And then
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: she took three hours off to go to the funeral
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the next day and came back. And that's it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: One of your coworkers?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: One of the medical students. Yeah, she's 22.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: In Gaza? In Gaza.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And she was working there? Yeah, the medical students are
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: full-fledged medical students. They come every day. They're some of
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the hardest working people there. It's crazy. They have board exams.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: There's residency.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: What school are they at?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two medical schools in Gaza. I mean, they've
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: been destroyed. And they all have to take a year off.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: But their homework's still due, apparently. Yeah. I mean, that's
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't use the dog ate my homework excuse there.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. You could eat the drone
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: ate my homework there, maybe. But is that true? The
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Islamic University of Gaza and the Al-Azhar University of Gaza? Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: That's right. Those are the schools? Yeah. A lot of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: their students were there in support, working in support?
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're at mostly Nasser Hospital. Some of them are
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in the north in Al-Shifa Hospital, which is another hospital
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: up in the north area of Gaza.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. You know, you hear a lot of stories about
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the aid, right? The aid, that's been a big kickball
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: that goes around like in the media of like, It's
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: their fault. It's the UN's fault. Hamas is stealing the food.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: What is the real truth over there? Is Hamas stealing it?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Is there 600 pallets just sitting there? What do you
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: think is really going on?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: So the GHF is basically taking over aid delivery to Gaza,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: and no one wants to work with them. Countries don't
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: want to work with them. The UN does not want
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to work with them. So even though the UN does
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: have food ready to go, in warehouses, on trucks, waiting
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: in Egypt and Jordan, it's not allowed in because Israel
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: has only given authority to GHF.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Now GHF is run by private military contractors. So it's
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: militarized aid, which is against, you know, international rules. You know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not a expert. I'm not a lawyer to talk
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: about international laws, but you can look up the Geneva Convention,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the Rome statutes, and it's clear as day, right?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Let's pull that up. then, just so we know it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the UN doesn't want to work with them.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: They don't want to be implicated in their own rules,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: against their own rules, right?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is run by a combination of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: American security contractors, ex-military officers, and humanitarian aid officials. The
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: organization operates with the support of the US and Israeli governments,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: but it is primarily managed and overseen by American individuals.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: The GHF lacks transparency, independence, and adherence to established humanitarian norms.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: The organization's leadership and operational structure have faced significant criticism
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: from international aid groups and the United Nations who argue
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that the GHF lacks transparency, independence, and adherence to established
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: humanitarian norms.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jake Wood, he's a military veteran co-founder, right?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: He actually resigned right as they got established because he's like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: screw this, I'm out. This is not going to be good.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Wow. He saw the writing on the wall. Hmm. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: he started it. And props to him.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: He'd be interesting to talk to probably, huh?
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Wow. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. But you asked me.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But you asked me. I feel like I didn't really
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: answer you yet. I lost 15 pounds when I was there.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Every one of us six physicians lost a lot of weight.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I have one of those smart scales at home.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Before Gaza, after Gaza. It's like this graph that just
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: goes straight down, which is awesome for me because I
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: came back in two weeks and now I'm slimmer. But
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: for them, it's indefinite. They've been doing this for months.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: They have, you know, hypovitaminosis. They don't have enough energy.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: They have, you know, anemia from no iron, no protein.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: You know, a woman can't breastfeed. They deliver a baby
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and there's no milk. There's no formula coming in. That's banned.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I got confiscated by some of the doctors
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: who were trying to bring it in. And I mean
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: every aspect of their health is being affected, right? So
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: even though you're not seeing like skin and bones on
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: every single person, if you took their labs, they are sick.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And there's stages to starvation. You don't just– one day
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you're fat and then the next day you're skinny. It
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't work like that. And some people don't get– become
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: skin and bones, right? Some people actually their belly bloats up.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Because the loss of protein and the fluid, instead of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: being on the blood vessels, goes into the belly and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: they can die in different ways. And then we went
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to the neonatal ICU in a pediatric hospital and we saw,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you know, the babies that are skin and bones, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and it's disgusting to see that knowing. what they need,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: which is formula.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Um, but what were you, did you hear that Hamas
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: was taking the food or did you like, what, like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: what's the true, like, what is the, were you hearing there?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Were you hearing anything different? Cause here it's just, it's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so hard to know, right. It's so hard to know
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: what's going on.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I, I went as a doctor, but
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's a great question. I didn't, we did
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: not see a combatant. We did not talk about combatants. No,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: none of the patients talk about that. honestly, everyone's just
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: concerned about how they're going to eat. You know, like
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: no one's talking about Hamas. And that said, I am
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: very curious. So I did ask many people, you know, privately,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: not patients, but like coworkers and stuff, like what's going
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: on out there? Like, you know, are they actually, and.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, there's no way.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: To go to the GHF site, you have to go
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: in an active war zone. There's tanks, there's, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a private military contract from the US, which all special forces,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: there's IDF, the Israeli military, I mean, you know, it
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't even make sense that they would go out there.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And even if they did, the question is like, why
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: is there, why can't we flood Gaza with aid? Because
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: then Hamas would have zero, you know, leverage over the food.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So if you're saying, you know, Hamas is taking the food,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: stealing it and selling it, and that's why the food
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is so difficult to obtain, well then flood the markets
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: with food. And then Hamas has no leverage over the food, right?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It's just like common sense, supply and demand. So their
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: argument doesn't even add up. But that said, I have
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: asked many locals in the hospital. Obviously, they don't really know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: But I didn't see any evidence of that. The only
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: evidence that we saw– and actually, by the way, Anthony
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Aguilar said that. They weren't even screening the patients– I mean, sorry,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the aid seekers for being Hamas or not. So, I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: there's no screening process. How would they know? there's not
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: going to be some guy with an AK-47, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: going into an active war zone.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, knock, knock. And they're like, who's there?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And he's like, Hamas, you know? Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: If only war worked like that, right?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I know. But that's one thing I haven't understood about
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of this military effect from the IDF because
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: they're always, you know, they speak highly of their, there's
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of high reflection of their military and their abilities.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But then you're like, well, why not just send in
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Marines or your Navy SEAL group to seek out Hamas
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: instead of blanketly bombing thousands of people. You know what
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? If your group is that great, why wouldn't
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you send them to pick off the bad guys one
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: at a time? That's the part that sometimes I don't understand.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they motto themselves as the most moral
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: army in the world, which I find kind of odd.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I think now I think anybody would find those
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: days are over, I think. 100%. 100%.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: But when we were there, we were staying on the balcony,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: looking on, you know, during our break time as physicians.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And boom, you just see this giant explosion. Your, your
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: drums are rumbling. And it's just like, who just died there?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Was it a Hamas guy? It was like a family, right?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So then you go down to the ER and there's
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like 30 patients that show up and you ask them like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, what happened? Oh, the shrapnel injuries from an explosion.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You know, some lady has like a high speed velocity,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you know, piece of shrapnel that went toward a belly
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: or a leg. Has someone have to have emergent surgery.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Some people goes right through the skull. And so, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: then you realize every single explosion, and it was happening
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: about every 30 minutes in Khan Yunis at that time,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I would say, from my experience, you realize every 30
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: minutes there's an explosion and people are dying, right? So
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: even if every single one of those explosions was Hamas,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: why is there 30, 50 patients coming in routinely?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: So that's what's interesting.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: When I say mass casualty incident, we're talking about an
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: influx of like 400 patients. But it doesn't stop between
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the hour, right? So even at nighttime, there's patients chronically,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: consistently coming in and all night, right? So some of
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: us had night shifts. Basically, we would help out the
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: night team. Our job was just to help out, right?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Like I was in the ER, I was in the OR,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the operating room to on the floors. I was sometimes
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: being a nurse, just helping out getting IV access and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: little kids. So we were just everywhere trying to help
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: out anywhere.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: What type of injuries were you guys seeing come in?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Like what was it like kind of?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a couple of pattern of injuries. So
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: first one is bullets, you know, gunshot wounds. And they
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: were very accurate, almost exclusively in the head and neck
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: or critical mass shots, right? Every now and then we
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: see an abdominal wound. And then explosions were the other one.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So burn injuries and then projectiles, you know, from shrapnel.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: That was another big one. And then every now and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: then you would see like, oh, you know, something local happened,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: like a trampling or, you know, some internal fight. But
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: those were extremely rare. Like you're talking about, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: when people, when groups of people are coming in, they're
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: coming on donkey, it's their ambulance basically. And they do
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: have some ambulances, but most people come in via donkey
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: or by family and they just like throw them in
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the ER and like take care of them. And the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: guy's arm is exploded from, you know, explosion or a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: baby basically has 85% burns and there's no way they're
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: going to survive that to a guy with a gunshot
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: wound to his head. I mean, I'm telling, I'm like
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: not even exaggerating this. And I have pictures to prove that,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you know, some of them are too gory for, perhaps
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: a non-physician.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: What's the process like when they come in? Is there
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: security at the front of the hospital? Because I imagine
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that the hospital would just be almost being overrun by
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: people looking for shelter, aid constantly, or even water. What
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: was that like? Yeah, it is overrun.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: There's no security. I mean, it's like one guy at
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the door saying, let the doctors go to the trauma bay.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And he's trying to hold a whole sea of people
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: back But is there.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: A parking lot? Is there like a fence where that's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: keeping people in and out? No, no, no.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: The hospital is run by people. Like there's kids looking
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: for water while you're like talking to a neurosurgeon about
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the next step for a patient scare.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Like we're shooing, not me, but like the locals are
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: just shooing kids away because they're looking for clean drinking
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: water and it's in the hospital. And like in this room,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: for example, where we're podcasting, they would be like, four
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: or five kids looking for water going in and out.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, the people, patients, families sleeping outside the ICU,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the hallways were full. I mean, like there was no
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: single area on the wall that you could sit. I mean,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: people feel safe in the hospital because, you know, it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: not being bombed.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, here's some photos right here. Wow. That's wild.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: How do you guys decide right when somebody gets there,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what level of care that they need? And if you're
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: going to be able to care for them, what's that like?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: When a patient enters the ER, there is a green zone,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: a yellow zone, and a red zone, depending on the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: severity of the injury. So they get triaged. This is
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: when there's a non-MCI, so non-mass casualty incident. When it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a mass casualty incident, the whole ER is a red zone.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: So the green zone is light injuries, yellow zone is
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: intermediate injuries, and red zone is basically critical injuries. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: then there was a black zone. Black zone is basically
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: anyone who's going to die. You just kind of move
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: them from the red zone to the black zone. You
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: tell the family, like, there's no chance. And we were
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: doing that often.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And is that your responsibility too?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as a physician, of course. You know, it's our
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: job to make that decision, but also tell the family, like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: there's nothing we can do. And those are hard conversations.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: You know, for example, resource management is something we haven't
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: gotten into. For example, in America, we have ventilators, right?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: The breathing machine. If in the ER, there was a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: very limited amount of breathing machines. To the point, if
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: there was like a 70 year old and a 20
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: year old who got injured, we would have to determine
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: who gets that breathing machine. And there was an instance
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: where we actually had to say, well, the 20 year
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: old has a longer life expectancy. So, you know, the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: 70 year old is going to have to go to
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: that black unit and kind of die off. So you
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: tell the family, they don't like that answer, but it
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: What else can you do?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So it was, it was, you know, sometimes we even
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: got into arguments with the locals because we didn't understand
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: how bad the resource management issue was, right? Like, We're
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: coming from America. We're like, dude, we can do it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: We can save this patient. But no, there's nothing you
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: can do. There's literally nothing you can do without the resources,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the medicines that are not coming in.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And that's the reality.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Food is a huge problem, obviously not coming in. But medications, supplies,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: surgical equipment, it's just not coming in. And we would
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: try to bring it in our 50-pound carry-on bags and whatnot.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: But what is that going to do? You're talking about 2.2
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: million people. You're talking about six doctors trying to save
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the world. I mean, it doesn't make sense.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: When people come in, are they coming in on stretchers?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Is there like a nurse desk or anything like that?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: What's kind of like the setup there? Does it feel
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: like a regular hospital?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: It does, but the difference is there's an ambulance here
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and there. But majority of patients are coming in on
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: donkey carts and private vehicle, which is like they stuff
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: like four or five bodies in the back of the car.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And then families are just holding their loved ones and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: just running inside through the double doors and in plopping
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the patient down wherever they can find them, you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: sometimes in the wrong area, then they have to pick
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: them up and move them to the critical area versus
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the green area I was talking about before. And it's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: chaos like that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, when, when the, when the traumas come in,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it's just, it's, it's, it's people running all over the place.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It's not as much organization as you would imagine in
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: an American hospital.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Is there enough blood, like for blood donors and blood draw,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: like that sort of thing? Yeah, so sometimes it runs out.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Sometimes Israel allows a mass donation from the West Bank,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: for example, to come in. We physicians are encouraged to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: give our blood upon leaving so we don't get too
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: fatigued when we first get there. It's at the end
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that they encourage us to give.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: If someone is dying, can they still take blood from
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: them to save it and give it to someone else?
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if that's a standard protocol there.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think... That's established protocol.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Is that even possible? Yeah, it's possible.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: It's kind of an interesting concept. Hey, you're dying. Let
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: me just take some of your blood. I guess in
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: an emergency that could be done. I think it's more
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like respecting the dead. You're going to die. Let them
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: die in peace.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I didn't know if somebody had died.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: While their body, could you still take blood? Yeah, definitely.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: How long is blood still able to be taken out
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of a body?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Let me see. Taking blood from a dying person specifically
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: for donation is highly restricted and governed by strict ethical, legal,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and medical standards worldwide. The dead donor rule, a fundamental
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: principle called the dead donor rule, requires that a person
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: must be declared legally and medically dead by recognized criteria
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: such as brain death or cardiac death before any organ
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: or tissue can be removed for donation. Blood banks and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: medical organizations do not take blood from dying patients for donations,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and this would violate ethical and legal norms.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, that also applies to any country that is
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: not going through a genocide.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Like the rules might be a little bit different there.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Like I'll shift a hospital in the North. Like I said, yeah, they,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: they are sometimes using flashlights to do procedures and they
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: are having power outages all the time. And, um, yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they are having to do amputations without sedatives. That, that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: is an issue. And, and, and that's because Nassar hospital is,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: is like the last tertiary care, as we call it,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the main hospital. And it's just getting all the resources
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: because there's not enough. You need to have this hospital. Yeah,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that's al-Shifa hospital. Remember when this first started, this was
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: attacked and there was a huge argument. Oh, was it
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the IDF, the Israeli military? Was it Hamas? And oh
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: my God, it was such a big deal.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And then since then, pretty much every hospital in Gaza
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: has been bombed.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that that's Hamas doing that?
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: No.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. What did you guys do with, uh,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the deceased, what's, what's.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So when we declared someone dead, it would be the
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: family's responsibility to do all the transportation and all the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: administrative stuff. So we would just pronounce them dead. And
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: then it would be the family's responsibility to take that
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: body to the morgue, which is like maybe a hundred
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: meters away, like a football field away. And, um, then
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the ministry of health would process the body. You document
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: what happens and then they would pray on it and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: then bury it the same day. So a few, maybe
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: an hour or two, all that happens. But it was
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: an assembly line, like patient coming to the ER, dead, morgue, prayer, funeral,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and just constant. Like throughout the day, you're just looking
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: out the window, and it's all you see.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Were you guys able to go to the morgue at all?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I did, yeah. One day, I have some pictures of that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: It was a mass casualty. There was like 15 bodies
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: just lined up. Some of them were kids. Pretty much
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: all headshots. This was from the GHF site, actually. And
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I was so disgusted. I actually took a video when
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I was there. Yeah, that right one right there. It
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: was disgusting. I mean, I have never experienced anything like that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: And I purposely went there during that time because I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: was like, I want to feel what the locals are feeling.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm in the ER or I'm in the hospital. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: want to actually feel what these people... And so you
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: hear the wailing of the woman when they find out
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: their loved one has died. They actually have this gazebo
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: right there. And that's her hospital. And that's where they
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: put the dead bodies that have not Uh, families have
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: not identified the bodies yet. So every now and then
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you see the family members going into gazebo, looking at
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: like these 10 bodies, opening up the zipper, looking at
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the face, if they can even like, you know, um,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: put the face together. And, um, and then you just
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: hear a shriek. That's like, man, that's freaky.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: God.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's crazy, man. That's crazy. I mean, the word,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: It was one thing to declare a patient dead.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: But it's another thing to feel the family's pain and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: see them praying on it and kind of going through
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: that grieving process. And I think we're humans, right? Like
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, yeah, I'm a doctor.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I'm able to compartmentalize my emotions probably more so than
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the average non-doctor. And so I almost had to go
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: there and, and like give myself an excuse to cry,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: you know? Cause there's no space to cry in the hospital.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: None of the other doctors are cause they just, They're
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: so focused on taking care of the next patient. They
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: don't get to, you know, they don't even have the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: time to cry. So that's kind of why I wanted
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to go there. I was like, I want to feel this, man.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's part of like, I mean, there's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: times where I'm saying my prayers and stuff and I
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: feel bad that I'm able to, you know, say prayers
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: in like a safe space and know that they're, you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that somebody's saying prayers and there's something that feels like
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: nothing is going to hear those, you know? And still
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it's like all that they have or maybe all that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: they have to do. And I think it's like, yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you feel bad that you can't be there to feel
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: some of that pain and not like, like maybe sometimes
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I think like, well, there's only so much pain. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: so if everybody was there and took a little bit
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of it, then it would it be, you know what
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like it would be, and I don't know
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: if that's true. I don't know if that's even quantifiable,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: but yeah. I mean, there's times you feel bad about,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it's times you feel bad about not being
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: somewhere when something's horrible because you're like, Cause you know
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that somebody else has to be there. I don't know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I think it helps to grieve in a, in a group.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what you're saying. You know, there were
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: times like it was, it was insane. We declared a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: patient dead. The family members turn around and they say,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: are you guys from America? And we're like, yeah. And
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: he's like, thank you so much for coming here. And dude,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it's like your relative just died and he's thanking us.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And he's like, you know, you guys are taking your safety,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: your time, your families to come here and take care
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of us. Like, you know, we're really honored. And it
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: was just like the most heartwarming thing. And we didn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: go there, you know, to have feel good stories like that.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: But I mean, just the gratitude we experienced when we
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: were there was incredible.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Do you think that people there feel like no one cares? Yeah, absolutely.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: And to the point, I asked many people before I left,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, what do you want me to do?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You know? And everyone basically says like, don't stop talking.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Like, just speak about us as much as you can.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing, which I found really humbling,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: was tell people that we are humans. Like, that's the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: little demand that they expect.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Of the world. Yeah, like, did you forget that we're
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: humans or something? Like, it must seem like that, well, something,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: some bad piece of information must have got out there
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that we're not even human. That's fucking gross.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: So I have been to Israel, by the way, back
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: in 2021. And, um, you see, I've never been there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I've been late on my rent though. I fielded a
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: few emails, you know? So, um, yeah, well you're paying
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: their tax. We're paying our taxes to them. So your
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: money's going there, but you haven't been there.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: That's the hard, that's the, I think that's the tough
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: part for a lot of people is, I don't know, is,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is understanding why, uh, why we're finding this. I don't
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: understand why Israel would do this. I don't understand why
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that they would do it. I don't, I feel bad
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: even for my Jewish friends who are having, they're having
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to navigate this pain. One of my friends the other
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: day was saying, man, it's wild because, you know, he's like,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: most of my life I've known and you learn that,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you know, just through like Jewish teachings and stuff and that,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you know, this horrible thing happened to us, this Holocaust,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: this thing happened to us in the past and like
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: how we'll fight back. and this kind of thing and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: then now you're uh you have ancestors and stuff or
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: your history is associated with the thing doing that and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: it's like he's like it's just a it's an odd
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: time to navigate that like inside of myself and i
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: can understand with i can understand him when he was
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: sharing some of that like I don't know. Life's scary.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And it's scary for humans to be regular people at
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the whim of what their governments choose and what like these,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand. I don't even understand the ambition
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that someone would have that would end in mass murder.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't even, I don't even think it
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Um, well, they say the awkward part out loud.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: If you look, listen to the government speeches, they were saying,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: we want to acquire this land and, you know, listen to, um,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Marsha Mersheimer on Tucker Carlson. He talks about this. He
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: says they want that land. And the way to do
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: it is kick out all the Palestinians. And if they can't,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: which they are not able to, because, you know, the
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Rafa borders closed is kill them all.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And so they're just trying to figure out how to
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: do this. And I think it's, it's probably not economically
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: feasible to just kill everyone, you know? So now they're
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: trying to create these humanitarian cities and Rafa, have you
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: heard about this? Oh my God, look this up. Humanitarian
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: city in Rafah is basically a concentration camp where they're
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: allowed in, but they're not allowed out unless they want
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to voluntarily migrate out of Gaza. So this came out
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: like two weeks ago. And this was a Israeli.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: The so-called humanitarian city in Rafah refers to a controversial
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Israeli proposal to relocate large numbers of displaced Palestinians from
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: across Gaza into a designated area in southern Gaza near
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the border with Egypt. The plan promoted by IDF Israel
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: cats envisioned relocating initially around 600,000 people into heavily controlled
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: camps or encampments in Rafah. Israel officially described as a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: humanitarian measure for civilian protection and possible future immigration. God,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: it sounds eerily familiar.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, man. And people like– I've had people say, man,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: why do you talk about this stuff sometimes about Gaza
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and that sort of thing? I– all, all you ever
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: heard growing up from all these movies, all this stuff
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: was like the, I mean, you couldn't even go to
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the bookstore at the airport with their half the fucking
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: books are about the Holocaust. You know, it's like, we
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: get it, dude, you know, but it was chiseled into
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: your brain and people are always like, well, I can't
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: believe the P the people right outside of concentration camps
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: never said anything, never sounded an alarm, never even whistled loudly.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, what are you, what are you, if
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like, if you see a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: fucking genocide, you know what I'm saying? You gotta say it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And if you're not saying it, that's fucking crazy. That's
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: crazy to not be saying it, especially when you've been
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: taught all your life, you're supposed to say it. So
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: fuck that, man. Anybody that has a, I'm sorry if
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: there's a, if, and there's other genocides happening and yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know about a lot of them, but I
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: want to learn about them. You know, I've just talked
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to a genocide professor the other day that lives in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: England and, um, I'd like to go and interview him
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to learn more about it, you know? But I'm sorry
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: if I'm late to the genocide game, but also I
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to be any later to it, you know? Like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's just get back into what we're
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: talking about. Are there any particular moments that really stood
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: out to you during your tenure there as like providing care?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Like things where you're like, man, this is like an
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: intense side of conflict or of war or of violence, right?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one story that really sticks out is this 30-year-old
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: pregnant lady, 15-week-old baby in her uterus comes in with
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: trauma and her blood pressure's dropping. She clearly has some
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: internal bleeding going on. We put the fetal heart tones
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: on the baby to see if their heart rate's going.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: No fetal heart tones. So we emergently take her up
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: to the emergency operating room. We open up the uterus
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: and extract the fetus and It's essentially a bullet shot
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: through the uterus, through the neck of the fetus. And
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: just to see that was, I don't think a human
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: is expected to see that, you know? Like there's fetal demise,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you know, fetal death from various medical causes, but you
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: don't see a exploded fetus with blood coming out of
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the neck. That was probably the most disgusting thing I've
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: ever seen. And so the fact that she went from
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: almost having a baby in a couple months to never
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: being able to have a baby again because they had
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to take the uterus out is one of the most
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: tragic things for a woman especially, right? Like, especially in
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Gaza where one of the biggest honors is to have
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: children and, you know, bring up the next generation and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: to know that female, even though she survived, will never
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: have a child again, you know, really hit me hard.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: especially because I just had a five-month hold waiting for
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: me at home. And that was hard to, I'm still
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: thinking about that, you know. But to paradox that, I
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: had a really amazing story, which, you know, if you
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: don't mind, I'll share. And this is brother Amir. And
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: he's a 15-year-old that shows up to the emergency department.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't see his face. I'm just focusing
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: on his blood pressure, which is like almost nothing. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: so we're putting an ultrasound on his heart and there's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: blood around his heart. So his heart can't beat because
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: there's too much blood. So we put this tube emergently
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: into his heart and relieve the pressure and his blood
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: pressure spikes back up again. He's still unconscious. Two days later,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the doctor who was taking care of him brings him
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to me. He's like, do you know who this is?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, I have no idea. I never saw
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: his face. And he's like, I don't know, is that
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: your child? And he's like, no, look at him. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: was like, I have no idea. And so he asked me,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: he asked the kid to like lift up his shirt.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: And I see the scar where I put the tube in.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And dude, this guy is smiling like such a beautiful smile.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And he's literally going to be discharged in two days.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And look at that smile. So he is just such
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: a beautiful kid.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's geeked, huh?
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It was probably like the happiest story. If I went
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to Gaza and I just had that story, I would
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: come back a happy man, you know? And that's what
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: being able to provide medical care is all about. Just
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that one experience.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. Oh, that's great, dude.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But you know, that's, unfortunately this is too far too common,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I gave this example, but there's so many kids, you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you one more story if you don't mind.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Pull it up here real quick. This is a one-year-old
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: and there was an explosion. You know, this baby had
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: 85% of the body burned, which is, pretty much guaranteed death.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: The team still tried to get some access into one
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of the blood vessels to give fluids, but they were
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: unable to. So they had to declare the baby dead.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Why is it hard to get access into a blood
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: vessel of a baby?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Well, with 85% burns, you basically have lost all your volume,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: your water. There's like no fluid in you anymore.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: To flow into.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So there's just nothing to get access into. So
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: then they had to tell the mom that, you know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the baby died. One year old. The mom collapses. Now
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: we have to take care of the mom. Anyways, after
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: we finally got that taken care of, this is the baby.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And this is a one-year-old baby. And then this is
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: what I see next. The father taking this one-year-old to
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the morgue. And it's just like, to me, I see
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that man and I'm like, man, if would I be
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: that strong to be able to hold my one-year-old in
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: this foil wrap and walk to the morgue minutes after
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: pronounced dead by the doctor?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would, you know?
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And I look at these Gazans and they're just so
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: used to death at this point that it's like, okay,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: what's next? You know? And they're like machines. Um, and
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I think truly it's their faith that gets them through it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they don't really don't have anything else. We
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: talked about it. There's no humanity left. They, they feel
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: like no one in the world's listening. Um, and, uh,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: it's really sad, you know, just to hear those stories
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: from them that they just.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Want to be noticed. I think it's changing.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I think in America, especially, people are talking
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: about it. Props to you, man. Like the fact that
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you're talking about it on your podcast, I think that's amazing.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I think I'm, in fact, can I ask you a question?
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Like what, what made you start talking about this?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Well, kind of like what I said before, it was like, well,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: this just seems to like be everything that I've ever
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: learned that seemed like wrong. And then at a certain point,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: it just seemed like this was just, uh, like they
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: were trying to like exterminate a people, you know? And
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I think my biggest thing in my life when I was,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a kid, I never had a voice, right? I never
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: had anybody to speak up for me. I never had
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: anybody to speak on my behalf. I never, I was
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: too scared to speak on my own behalf. Like I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I just felt furious that I,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: there was nobody advocating for me, right? There was nobody
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: advocating for me in the world or my siblings really. And, um,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I just like, I think some of
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that kind of resonated with some of that same feeling
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that I had when I was a kid. And I
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: was like, I just, the last thing I, like all I,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I just want to have a voice, right? And I just... Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I'm getting chatty about it. Well, you have a moral
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: compass is what I understand.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I just want to have a voice. It's like
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: this is a fucking voice. These people don't have a voice.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Or it feels like they don't. And I don't understand why.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And it's the same feeling as when I didn't have
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: a voice. And so I was like, I just know
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: that it couldn't be wrong. And if it is wrong,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. If it's wrong, what the fuck do
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I lose?
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: What do I like? What do anybody lose if I'm
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: wrong about a group of people getting massacred or whatever? Oh,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: my bad.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I don't I just don't see
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: any of the other side. I mean, I was definitely
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: scared a lot of times, you know, but I think
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: we're if somebody said to me, you can't talk about
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: that or I'm not going to be a sponsor on
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: your show or I I would say it. I feel
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: like I would mention it. I feel like it would be,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you know, that's part of me of having a voice
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: as well. And then other people say stuff and, and
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: then people secretly will say like, thanks for trying to
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: say stuff. And I don't know, I don't know, man,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I think it, but it just fucking made me so angry.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand. And why are we still doing
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: this shit?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, there's a recent Gallup poll that
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: said one third of Americans still, um, basically, you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: agree with what Israel is doing to Gaza.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: So what does that mean?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Majority of Americans do not agree with what Israel is
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: doing to Gaza at this point. So I think humanity
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: is waking up. I think, you know, American, we have
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: good moral values, man. And I don't know what the
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: hell the politicians are doing that, you know, doesn't represent
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the American people. I've talked to almost everyone I work
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: with at work. And everyone's so interested to hear about
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: what's going on in Gaza. And they're all normal people, dude.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: They just want kids to survive, moms to survive, you know, brothers,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: fathers to survive, get some food and call it a day. Like,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: let's get this over with, man.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Now, every day, is there trauma in the hospitals? Like,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: is it always full of like these MCIs or is
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: it like, are there times when it's a little bit quiet? Like,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: what was that like?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: It's not always MCIs, but there's always trauma coming here
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and there. There are sometimes when it's quiet, But the
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: hospital is always jam-packed with trauma patients. So, for example,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: it's a 250-bed hospital officially, which is a small community
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: hospital that probably has 1,000 patients in there, and they're
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: almost all trauma patients. So, for example, chronic care is
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: completely forgotten about, right? People with cancer, forget it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take that shit down the road, homie. Chemo, dude,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: just hang your head out of a window here.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Sadly, that's true.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just ridiculous shit. um so so
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: so anything like that but so so no chronic care
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: like if you had the measles or something we don't
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: have time for that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: We don't have time for that there's no resources either
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: right um there's diseases popping out that we should see
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: in textbooks that are popping up in gaza because there's
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: no clean water there's no vaccines there's you know is
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: everything that you would expect in a third world country
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: is being recognized in gaza but it's all man-made it's
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: all engineered it's Every solution is like 30 minutes away
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: at the border, just not being allowed in by Israel.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: You know, whether it's Egypt or Jordan, it's there. It's
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: just not able to come in. And that's where, you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: my push is let's get these UN organizations that have
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: been doing it for decades. Let's give them the responsibility.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Why aren't we giving them responsibility? Have they been compromised? Well,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that's what.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Israel will say, right? Like the UN WRA has some
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Hamas elements in it or something, but that's been debunked
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: by many NGOs. And, you know, you can fact check
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: me on that. But I don't think they've been compromised.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I think they're just seeing the reality that majority of
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: the world is seeing.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: The GHF took over aid supporting Gaza after Israel and
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the United States responding to accusations that Hamas was diverting
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: humanitarian aid, insisted on a new aid mechanism. Okay, the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: GHF was set up with backing from both governments. But
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the GHF was having problems now, right? Aren't they saying
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: now that the Hamas was commandeering some of their supplies?
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: It's always an excuse.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I'm specifically talking about the UNRWA, which historically has been
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: providing aid in Gaza. So they said that had Hamas
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: elements in it, and that's why they shut that down.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: And again, there's news articles that basically say that's not–
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: we fact-checked it, and it's not true.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: This is on perplexity. UNRWA, why are they no longer
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: providing aid in Gaza? UNRWA is no longer providing aid
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: in Gaza primarily due to a combination of Israeli government
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: bans on its operation in the area and major donor suspensions.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: following Israeli allegations that a small number of UNRWA employees
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: participated in the October 7th, 2023 Hamas attacks. Okay. When
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: you did sleep, so if you said, you said it
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: earlier that sometimes you can only work like four hours
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: a day?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: The shifts in the ER, they were recommending up to
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: four hours a day just because it's so intense. But
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the surgeons were doing as much as they can.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: There's really no rules as to what you can do there.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: You can work as much as you want. Obviously, you
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: wouldn't work as little as you want. You went there
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to help patients. But what I realized when you're there,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: you're not just a doctor.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: You're a journalist.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: We were having media reach out to us and say, hey,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: can you get a video of this? Can you get
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: a video of that? Because there's no outside journalism allowed, right?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: So we as Americans got to see firsthand. So we
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: got interviewed by many different organizations when we were there, NBC, NPR,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Democracy Now!, some media organization in Australia. They all reached
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: out to us and props to them because at the
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: end of the day, we wanted our voices heard. So again,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk. I
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: think it's super important. And like we were talking about
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: before the show, I think I'm the first person in
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: America that has actually been to Gaza talking about it
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: on a show like this. And so I just want
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: to tell you what I objectively saw. And I actually
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: gave a, you know, in medicine, we have this big
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: conference called Grand Rounds. I actually just on Wednesday, this
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: past Wednesday, I gave a Grand Rounds at my hospital
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and it got, Pretty good reception because I was just objective.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: No politics.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: You make your own decision. I'm going to show you pictures.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show you data. And you can make
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: your own decision, right? I can't tell you how much
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: positive feedback I received after that. And it had all
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the gory stuff in it, too, because it was doctors.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: It's all medical related.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I just got inspired by
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Miss Rachel, to be honest with you, man. Dude, props
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to you, man. That's amazing. Well, I shouldn't be watching
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: children's programming. Do you have kids? I'm going to say that. No,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I don't. And so that's even making it worse. That
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: is kind of weird, man. Well, thanks, Dom. Well, but okay.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Moving on. I will say this. Yeah, Miss Rachel's been,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: she's been like a champion, you know? And then how
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I met you was I saw a woman on TikTok.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Her name was Heba, H-E-B-A, I think. Oh, yeah. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: she said, oh, I know two doctors that I just
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: heard from or something. And then she connected with you.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: So just kind of crazy. I mean, I just saw
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: a tick tock and I was like, I just want
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: to learn more. You know, I'm just kind of shocked
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: sometimes that like the major news networks aren't talking about it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck are we? What do you
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you know? And then it's like all about the Epstein shit. Like, yeah. Anyway,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's fucking crazy. That's what we're choosing.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: And that's that that's even part of the discussion. What
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: were situations like with children there and providing care to children? Like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: what was the realities of that? Like, uh, was, were
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: you able to like save any, like keep them from
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the gore? Like, was there, you know, cause usually, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of times with, in there's like children's hospitals
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and those hospitals, and then there's places for kids, right?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit different and less severe. Um, what
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: was that like there?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: So there was a kid's hospital, but it wasn't the
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: trauma hospital. So all the kids trauma still came to
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Nassar hospital. They're right next to each other. And so
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: we were seeing all the kid trauma as well. And
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: the kid trauma was, was different, man. Um, just so,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: you know, difficult to see and experience. It was difficult
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: to process, difficult to treat, um, difficult to talk to
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: the family members with these children. I mean, you were seeing,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: you're seeing kids as young as one, you know, sometimes,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: you know, infants, but, um, majority of them are like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: you know, young boys, young girls. And it just, why? Like,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we asked, I love to hear people's stories, right?
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: So I asked this one girl, like, what were you
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: doing through the family? Because I don't speak Arabic. So
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: we were using translators. And, um, And she's like, oh,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I was just sitting in my tent reading the Quran,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: which is like the holy book, like reading the Bible, right?
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: And this quadcopter just shot through the tent and here
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I am, you know? And you know there's some weirdness
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: going on when a bullet goes from up to down,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: you know? Like people usually get shot from forward to back, right?
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: From up to down and sitting in a tent is
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: very strange. So, you know, there's some people who are
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: suspicious about quadcopters shooting middle of tents, which is in
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the green zone, the safe zone. where civilians live, but
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: it's almost every day we are hearing of civilians, girls,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: boys being shot by quadcopters. I haven't seen one myself,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: but I wasn't out there, right? I was in the hospital.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: When you say quadcopter, what do you mean by that?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of interesting. So there are basically
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: these drones that have been engineered to shoot. It has
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: like an assault rifle on them, remotely activated. It's like
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: a kind of a, Drone, so to speak.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Does it look like that kind of?
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen one.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, you haven't?
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: They say if you see one, you're probably going to
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: get shot. Granted, we're American. But we weren't allowed to
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: go there anyways. But could you hear drones ever? Oh, yeah. Oh, 24-7,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: there's drone buzzing over you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: They say they know where everyone is. They're watching everyone's face.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: It's probably some crazy AI stuff. I mean, honestly, I
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: think they probably have everyone's phone tracked. We were connecting
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: to the Israeli towers too. So it's like they know
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: where we are.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a company called Palantir I know that I believe,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: see if you can bring that up, that I believe had,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: which I believe is helping with some of the drone
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: AI work over in Gaza. Palantir allegedly enables Israel AI
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: targeting in Gaza, raising concerns over war crimes. Earlier this month,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And this says, allegedly, earlier this month saw a continuation
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: of that effort with the targeting of three well-marked or
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: fully approved aid vehicles belonging to World Central Kitchen, killing
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: their seven occupants and ensuring that the food would never
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: reach those dying of starvation. The targeting was precise, placing
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: missiles dead center in the aid agency's rooftop logos. Israel, however,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: said it was simply a mistake, similar to the mistaken
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: killings of nearly 200 other aid workers in just a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: matter of months such horrendous mistakes are hard to understand
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: considering the enormous amount of advanced targeting ai hardware and
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: software provided to the israel israeli military and spy agencies
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: some of it by one american company in particular palantir
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: technologies We stand with Israel, the Denver-based company said in
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: posts on X and LinkedIn. The board of directors of
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Palantir will be gathering in Tel Aviv next week for
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: its first meeting of the new year. So when was this?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: April 2024. Oh, so this is.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: So there was a.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: This is a while back.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there was an Israeli website, 972Mag, that actually
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: called this out. So it's Israeli information. I think it's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Project Lavender. And there's a mission where the AI basically
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: gets permission to kill a Hamas commander if there's like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: 300 collateral damage. And then if that's like, if it's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: going to go over 300 civilians, then there's an operation
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: that gets activated called like daddy's home, where it waits
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: for the Hamas guy to go home and just shoots
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the entire family. It's just crazy. Like the fact that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: this is completely normalized now. And I think this is,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I think this is experimental. I think this is what's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: going to, you know, the future is going to have
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: everything to do with what we're saying here.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. Go back to that first article. Just,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: The project involves selling the ministry on artificial intelligence platform
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: that uses reams of classified intelligence reports to make life
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: or death determinations about which target to attack. In an
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: understatement several years ago, Karp admitted our product is used
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: on occasion to kill people, the morality of which he
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: himself occasionally questions. I have asked myself, if I were
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: younger at college, would I be protesting me? Yeah, and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: this is allegedly. This is just stuff that I'm reading
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: from an article here. Which website is this? This is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Business and Human Rights Resource Center. What's wild is that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: this is the same company that now has a contract
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: to operate in America. Palantir lands $ 10 billion Army software
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: and data contract. So Palantir has linked a contract with
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the U.S. Army worth up to $ 10 billion to meet
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: growing warfare demands over the next decade. As part of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the deal, Palantir will help the military streamline efficiencies while
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: preparing for threats, consolidating 75 total warships contracts into one
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: enterprise deal. Um, the agreement creates a comprehensive framework for
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the army's future software and data needs. So I think
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: my fear is that, uh, the, in the future, this
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: is what it would be like. We'll be living in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: a surveillance state and this is what it'll be like.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And I hate to say that, but I don't know
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: if it's my fear. It just seems like, um, like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're headed, you know? Did it
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: ever seem over there, yeah, like it was a experimental
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: grounds over there? Like it must seem so dystopian. Like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: what even, because does it feel like a war where,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: do you see like Hamas troops? Like do you see
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: any of that military?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: It seemed overkill for what we were visualizing. Like, you know,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: you see F-35 or F-16. I'm not sure which one,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: but some fast jet flying overhead at night. And then
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: you hear the drone buzzing. Then you hear the tank,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: the Merkava tanks in the distance. You can see them
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: with your own eyes, right? And then you hear them shooting,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and then you can hear the shell landing, and then
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: you hear the Apache helicopter shooting, and then you hear
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the rockets landing. And it's like, how is this all
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: happening against some people underground? Something's not adding up. And then,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: like I said, from a doctor's perspective, you're seeing the casualties,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: which are civilians. I mean, you can make whatever conclusion
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: you want about what's going on from the military aspect.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: And I am also suspicious. What is going on? Is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: it just like a big show of different equipment. We
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: actually had a situation where there was a, some sort
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: of a gas being used and patients were asphyxiating, but
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: we didn't know what it was. There was no testing, right? But,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the x-ray was normal. The chest x-ray was normal,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: but the patients were asphyxiating. It was really weird and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: we had no idea what we were treating. So we
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: would just watch them in the ICU, make sure they were,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: you know, oxygen was okay. So there's some weird stuff
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: going on and it's not, Just me saying that if
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: you look at some of the locals or say there's bombs,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: which we've never heard before, there's explosions that we've never
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: seen before. One time we saw this bomb that's like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: a shotgun bomb that explodes in the thousands of pellets
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: and just disfigures the body. It doesn't penetrate as deeply,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: but it just completely disfigures the body. And it's just like, man,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: like what is going on? There's so many, such a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: variety of different things from a military point of view
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: going on. And I'm just seeing the results of it
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: in the ER. from again, kids, women, children, elderly, handicapped people,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: and something doesn't add up.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's the feeling it gets even. It's like, what, what,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: what's happening? And then the weird thing too, is like,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: we're seeing this, right? Like just on TikTok, social media,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: you're seeing video. It's like, well, does that not, does
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: nobody even care anymore if that's happening? Like, are we
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: becoming like immune to it? Is that happening just to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: put videos out to make people immune to, to a massacre? Like,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I don't understand. Like it starts to make, because then
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I start wondering, am I part of some experiment, you know?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: And I just, I don't know. I just don't even
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: understand it. And, but then it does start to make
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: you believe in pure evil because you're like, well, what
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: else would do something like this? Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: There's actually this interview with Peter Thiel with some, I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: think some pastor who was asking him like, you know,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: when the Antichrist comes, what kind of technology do you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: think he's going to be using? And then he's like, oh,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I think Greta Thunberg, you know, I think that she's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: going to develop the technology for the Antichrist. And then
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: the pastor's like, well, you're developing this, like, defense company
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: that has all this technology. Don't you think maybe the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Antichrist would be using your company? He's like, no, I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: don't see that.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: You got to watch that.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Let me see it. It's awesome. Pull it up. This is.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: My very specific question for you, right, is that you're
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: an investor in AI. You're deeply invested in Palantir, in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: military technology, in technologies of surveillance, in technologies of warfare
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: and so on, right? And it just seems to me
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: that when you tell me a story about the Antichrist
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: coming to power and using the fear of technological change
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: to sort of impose order on the world, I feel
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: like that Antichrist would maybe be using the tools that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: you were building, right? Like, wouldn't the Antichrist be like, great,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: you know, we're not going to have any more technological progress,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: but I really like what Palantir has done so far, right?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, isn't that a concern? Wouldn't that be the,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: you know, the irony of history would be that the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: man publicly worrying about the Antichrist accidentally hastens his or
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: her arrival?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: There are all these different scenarios. I obviously don't think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: that that's what I'm doing. I mean, to be clear,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's what you're doing either. I'm just
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: interested in how.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: You get to a world willing to submit to permanent
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: authoritarian rule.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Well, but.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Doesn't have an answer.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: But, again, there are these different gradations of this we
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: can describe, but Is this so preposterous, what I've just
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: told you, as a broad account of the stagnation that
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: the entire world has submitted for 50 years to peace
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: and safetyism? This is 1 Thessalonians 5.3. The slogan of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: the Antichrist is peace and safety.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: And we've submitted. I mean, it's– and you know what?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: It's scary to be alive, but at the same time,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: it's like this is where you are. This is where
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: we are. And most people just want to take care
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: of their families, you know? They just want to get
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: home and get their kids safe and get them fed,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: you know? And yeah. What's their relationship to Hamas? Do
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you feel any relationship to Hamas and the people? Did
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: you see, like, did you perform any surgeries on any
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Hamas military? What was that like there?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I did not see any combatants. We don't
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: know who's a combatant or not. But no, I did
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: not treat any Hamas. I did ask the local people, like,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about Hamas? And, you know, at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, I would say some of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: them support them. Some of them don't. At the end
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: of the day, they're a political entity in Gaza. They
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: were democratically elected, I think, back in the 2000s. You're
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: going to have every type of opinion on that. Just
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: like in America, you know, you have different political factions divided.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: And so over there, it's a political faction. Obviously, in America,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: they're considered a terrorist organization, but locally, they're not, right? So,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: but yeah, just to answer your question, no, I did
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: not see any or treat any obvious combatants.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just curious if you see any of their
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: military guys over there.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought about that when I was there.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're stupid enough to come to the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: hospital because they know that drone is watching, you know?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: And I don't think they would risk the hospital. being bombed.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: But granted, Israel has done that to other hospitals already.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's intentional systemic collapse of the healthcare system.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: And it's perfect. You know, right now we're talking about famine,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: but this famine is not random. Like it was engineered.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: It starts months ago, right? Your body doesn't starve overnight.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: It takes three or four months for all your calories
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: to go away, your glycogen storage in your liver and
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: then your body starts eating the muscles, then your body
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: starts eating your bones. It takes months for that to happen.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: And now we're seeing the last stage of starvation for
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: the first set of people. It's just going to get
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: logarithmic and exponentially worse. Until we reverse this. And even
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: when we reverse it, it's not like you just feed
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: some starving person some chicken or a steak and they
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: suddenly become good.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, or some nuggets or something.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a refeeding syndrome. So it's a problem of electrolytes.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: You need to have some pretty specialized nutritionists there in
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Gaza alongside with the doctors, alongside with the aid. And
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: we're at a point of no return. Unless things change immediately,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I'm very scared what's going to happen next.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Is that true? You really believe that?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I'm very unfortunately pessimistic the way we're seeing our government
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: respond to what's happening there.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. I'm surprised because America is supposed to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: be the one to help, right? And it's like usually
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: you see something bad and you think, oh, America will help.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: And the people want to help. That's right. The people
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: want to help. That's why it's like I hope that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: those people know that we don't support that kind of stuff.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: We don't support– or I feel like we've always been
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: taught not to support that sort of cruelty.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: And that's, um, you know, I think that's one thing
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: is just, but then also throughout time governments have, you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: people have always had to sit in the shadow of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: their government and, uh, And wish it wasn't as dark,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I think.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: But I wish I could speak to Trump. I mean,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: as a physician, maybe a group of physicians can go
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: talk to him personally, 10 minutes, just tell him what
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: we saw. And hey, man, can you just flood Gaza
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: with aid? I mean, is that really too much to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: ask for?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: But how does he not know that, I wonder? He
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: knows that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: He admitted it. I don't know why he doesn't. He's like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: why are you working with Israel? You're more powerful than Israel.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Just go there and decide, wait, we're flooding aid.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: He has a right to do that. America is the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: most powerful nation in the world, right? We all know that. Militarily, economically.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, Trump basically says what he wants and he
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: gets it, right? I don't know why there's something about
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Israel that is holding them back.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't know.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's like some stuff out
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: of our grade of understanding sometimes. And I think it's
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: like that at different levels. I just think we don't know.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, are we all like, I don't know.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: It starts to feel like you're on a damn game
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: show or something. It starts to feel, you know, and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it feels like if you're
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: in the game. Like if you, you know, trapped, you
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: feel like you're trapped in an experimental land. Why do
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: you think the world is seemingly apprehensive to like to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: stop these atrocities from continuing there?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it depends which country you're talking about.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I think the people want to stop this genocide, but
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: every country has its own kind of problem that they're
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: having to deal with. Uh, whether you're talking about Egypt
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: or Jordan, whether you're talking about the Arab States, whether
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: you're talking about Europe, you know, um, I don't really
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: know what Russia and China are doing, but, um, yeah,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: American Israel are kind of like the ones leading this genocide.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: And I hate to say it cause it's my country, but, um,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with the American politicians
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: that they just want to continue this thing.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Egypt and Jordan too. Because you see
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: that Jordan doesn't allow Gazans in. Is that true? I
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: know it's not your responsibility, but you may know more
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: of that than I do.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll talk briefly on this. And again, that's why
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: it's nice to have a Palestinian on your show and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: who can speak on this. But I will just say
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Gaza does not share a border with Jordan, right? So
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Israel would have to allow that exodus to Jordan. So
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: normally people historically have left through the Rafah border into Egypt,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: but Egypt basically said they closed the Rafah border. And
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: now Rafah has been completely taken over by Israel, so
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: no human soul can actually go into Rafah to even
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: evacuate to Egypt. I think initially they tried to forcefully
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: displace everyone into the Sinai Peninsula, but Egypt basically put
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: a hard stop on that. But in my opinion, they
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: should have at least allowed women and children and the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: sick to leave. Let's see what perplexity has to say here.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Egypt did not allow people to leave Gaza primarily because
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the Rafah border crossing, the only exit from Gaza not
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: controlled by Israel, was closed on the Palestinian side after
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Israel seized it during the 2024 Rafah offensive. Egypt also
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: cited concerns about the security and the need for proper
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: procedures before allowing crossings stating that any movements, including those
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: of foreign delegations or activists, need prior approval due to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: the volatile situation. So maybe they didn't want Hamas in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: their country?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's essentially it.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, the conversation
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: has to be about how we can get aid back
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: into Gaza, right? And push our politicians and President Trump
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: to kind of use his power and leverage over Netanyahu
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: and say, well, you are allowing aid in no matter what.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Because what we're seeing on Twitter, what we're seeing on TV,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: it's unacceptable, man. It's 2025 and we're seeing kids really
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: rot away. It's pathetic. And the fact that people are
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: now trying to deny it, I mean, come on, man.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: I think this most recent picture that the New York
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Times article, have you heard about this? This mom and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: this baby, it shows a baby starving and the mom
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: apparently does not look like she's starving. And so.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Israel's media basically saying, well, there's no starvation going on there.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, wait, what are you telling me? The baby's starving,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: but not the mom?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Well, they're saying the mom is selfish and not feeding
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: the baby, apparently. And now they're saying, well, now the
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: baby had a pre-existing condition. Of course, everyone in the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: hospital has pre-existing conditions, right?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's hard to sleep next to fucking missiles
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: going off. That's right. I could imagine that that's a pre-existing,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wet the bed is because I would
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: get an ass whooping every now and then, dude. I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: cannot even imagine trying to wet the bed when you
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: haven't had a cup of water in a fucking month.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: So I don't, I just, I don't understand. I just
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: do not understand. It's like you're taught your whole life.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: This is how to do things. This is when you.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you know, GI Joe type shit. This is when your
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: country helps out. And then you're watching this. It's almost
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: like you're being forced to watch it. Like the algorithm is,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: it's all this stuff. And then it's like, but don't,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you can't feel this way about it. Or that's not right.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Or this has been, it just like, it's bizarre, man.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think you deserve a lot of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: credit for talking about this. I think a lot of
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: people are scared to talk about it. You know, I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: was initially scared to talk about it at work, but
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: then I was like, you know what? This is, this
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: is a medically related thing. genocide. I mean, I have
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: the right to say it's a genocide as a healthcare worker.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: It's not legally binding. Only the International Court of Justice
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: can actually label it officially a genocide, which is going
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: to take like 15 years. And at that point, there
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: will be no Gaza. So we can't wait for that.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to label it a genocide as a healthcare worker,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: and many other people are. And even in Israel, like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: B'Tselem has labeled it a genocide. Holocaust survivors have basically
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: said it's a genocide.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: So... Mandy Patinkin came out and said it, dude. Boom.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: From freaking Criminal Minds.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Well, he has a moral compass.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: How could you not, dude? You know how many fucking
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: criminals he's busted? I'm going to trust that guy. That's easy.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: That is easy, man. And I thought that that was
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: brave of him to say something. But I don't know.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: People shouldn't feel good because they fucking just said something
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: that seemed like it makes sense. I don't know, dude.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: You'd be surprised.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: If you went to Gaza and you told people, hey,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: I spoke up, you are better than the rest of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: humanity to them.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: That's all they want.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: They just want you to speak up. They're not expecting
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: you and I to save the day. They're not expecting
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: you and I to get rid of the bombs and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: the drones and the tanks. They just want us to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: be a voice, like you said before, and try to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: convince who we can, whether it be our family, our friends,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: that these people are human. They're not all Hamas, okay?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: And they deserve to live. They deserve to be educated.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: They deserve to have fun, smile, to see their kids
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: grow up. at the end of the day, it's about
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: just humanism, you know, and it sounds kind of cliche.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Why am I a doctor?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Cause I, I love taking care of people. That's the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: interview question that got me into medical school. But when
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: I went to Gaza, I truly, I can say with
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: true conviction that I was so honored to be a physician.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: There was no financial payments. There was no insurance, you know,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: there was no, there was no conflicts of interest. It
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: was literally pure patient care. And it was the most
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: beautiful thing I've ever experienced in And I felt so
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: honored and blessed that there's two, you know, there's however
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: many billion people on the earth and only maybe 500
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: doctors in the last two years have actually been there.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: And I was one of them. I felt really blessed,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: you know? And I will say, if you talked to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: maybe all these 500 doctors, they'll say the same thing,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: that children are being blown up, that women are being shot,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: that fathers are being killed. They're going to tell you
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: the same thing. And you, especially these last three months,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: talk to all the doctors and who have been in
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: the last three months, and they're going to say the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: same thing. There's famine, there's starvation, there's, you know, anemia,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: there's mothers who can't breastfeed anymore, there's no formula, there's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: no food.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: What food are they getting?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great question. They're getting flour, they're getting, well,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: they have zucchini, tomatoes, and peppers, which they grow domestically.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: And so from outside... Okay. Okay, so from outside, they're
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: getting flour. Sugar comes in, but it's extremely expensive. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: they used to have rice, but it's basically flour and
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: chickpeas now.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Beans, flour, and chickpeas.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. And where do they buy it from? Is there
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a shop or something? Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: So they have markets, which is this tent with like,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: you know, food. And unfortunately, the inflation there is serious.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: So for example, I think tomatoes have gone up like 3,000%
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: in the last few months. Or before this conflict to now,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: it's like 3,000%. I have a chart, which I'll share
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: with you. And it was in my grand rounds that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: I was talking about. And it's a cash economy there.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: So when people take it out of their bank accounts,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: it's like 50% of their value is lost in this transaction.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Like a bag of cucumbers and tomatoes in America might
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: cost $ 10, cost like $ 50 there. But that's after the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: 50% cut. So it's $ 100 to buy a bag of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: tomatoes and cucumbers. Just the inflation is crazy. A bag
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: of flour, which maybe 20 kilograms, which would last like
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: a normal average family, maybe two to three weeks, costs
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: $ 500 US dollars. It's not possible, right? So people are
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: going to the GHF sites because they can't afford that.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Right. So they have to go there to get food.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: The poor in Gaza cannot afford that.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Who is selling food at those prices? Is it Hamas
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: or no?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: No, it's not Hamas. It's gangs inside of Gaza. So
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: that's a whole different conversation. If you want to get
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: into it, we can talk about it. Yeah, I'd love
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: to talk about that. So the gangs are a whole
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: different problem in Gaza. So I think what The Israeli
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: military realizes they just can't do the job that they
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: were intending to do. They can't destroy Hamas. So they
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: have employed a new methodology where they have basically taken
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: people in Gaza who hate Hamas, so ex-prisoners that were
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: probably in Gaza before, and employed them. So they basically
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: drop these little bombs that shoot out little e-SIMs and say, hey,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: call us if you want to.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Work with us. SIM cards, you mean? Yeah, SIM cards.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: That's what I meant. Okay.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: And it says, call us. So this person who wants
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: to sell out basically calls them. Hey, we'll protect your family.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: We're going to make sure your family's happy. We're going
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: to give you some money. We'll make sure we'll never
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: bomb you, et cetera.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you what I was told. Abu
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Shabab is this main gang leader. He actually, there's news
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: articles about him. Yeah, Yasser Abu Shabab. He works with
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: the IDF. And so his gang basically gets first dibs
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: on the aid coming in. So he and his gang
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: steal the aid, and then they go to the market
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: and sell at super high prices. And you might think, oh,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: this is like an internal Gazan problem, but it's not.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: It's all engineered by the Israeli army.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's what it says here. Organized gangs often tied
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: to large families or clans and sometimes involved in pre-war
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: smuggling or petty crime. have become the principal forces controlling
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: the trade and distribution of food. Notably, an armed group
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: called the Popular Forces, led by Yasser Abu Shabab, is
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: active in southern Gaza. This group, described as a criminal
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: gang by aid workers and analysts, is widely accused of
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: looting aid trucks and charging protection bribes to traders. Abu
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Shabab's group has been linked to the theft and resale
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: of aid, and some reports allege it operates openly under
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Israeli military control. So that's just alleged, but.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's alleged, but, you know, I will say, if
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: you go to Gaza with a gun, guess what's going
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: to happen?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: You get drone-striked, right? These guys are walking on the
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: streets with their guns.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Shooting in the air. And not getting drone-striked.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were in the hospital looking outside, and there's like,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: you just hear this AK-47. And I asked the locals,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, I thought you can't have a gun
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: in Gaza. And they're like, you can't. And I was like,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: so how is that guy shooting a gun openly in
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: the air, trying to get everyone away from the aid.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: And they're like, they're IDF-associated gangs.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: It's like contractors.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's contractors.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: But like, it's logic, right?
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: If you are walking around with a gun in Gaza,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: that drone is watching you. You are going to die.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: But what is also the rumors of Hamas controlling food there?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: I have no evidence for that. And I don't even
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: see how that's feasible. I mean, how are they going
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: to loot the truck's when that drone is watching. That
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: surveillance drone is watching every single move of everyone in Gaza.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: So tell me that you walk outside, you can hear
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the drone?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It's just buzzing over you 24-7.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: How many are there, do you think?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's a couple in Gaza. I'm
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: sure there was one dedicated just for Khan Yunus. I'm
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: sure one's dedicated for Gaza City up north.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to ask someone.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Can you watch a live feed or anything or no?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Like of the, or you know what I'm saying? Like a, um.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: No, you can't really see them. They're pretty high up.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: You can't really see them. But you can hear them.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: You can hear them, yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: It's just this buzz. You can kind of get used
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: It was freaky when we first got there. You just
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: hear explosions and you hear this drone overheating and you
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: just don't know what's going to happen next. You just
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: get used to it.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I remember one time we went to some shows and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. It was some base where
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: during like Afghanistan times and they would have the alarm
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: on the base would go off and that meant that
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: like something would come into the base like come like
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: a projectile that come into the base. So people would
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: just stand around like waiting for something to happen. It
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: was so creepy. But I can't even imagine that being
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: under that stress 24 hours. What do you think are
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: some of the long-term effects of like this sort of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: trauma and stress there in Gaza and the people there?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a great question. That's going to be generational, man.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: The stuff that kids are seeing, like their father's brains
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: being splattered. We're seeing it in the ER and it's
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: hard for me as a physician to see that. Imagine
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: being a kid And having to see your family member
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: dying in front of you. I mean, I don't know.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's common sense. Every child is going to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: just have trauma that they can't get over. I don't
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: think there's any psychiatrist in the world that can treat
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: these people in Gaza. I don't think it's normal. It's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: just like the Holocaust, right? What happened there was so
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: tragic that we still talk about it, right?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be, in my opinion, a very
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: similar concept.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to let the people out
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: of there? Did it feel like there's a solution coming?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: What did you feel like? Did you feel like the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: people there felt like they still had hope? What was
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: that like?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people want to leave Gaza,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: especially those people who have kids and families and just
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: want to give the best opportunity for their kids. There
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: were a lot of students who want to study abroad,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: like the UK or Qatar, and you can see that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: that's their way out. But there was also a large
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: segment of the population that basically said, we're not leaving
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: our homeland and there's nothing you can do about it.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, dang, dude, you got some faith
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: and you got to give props to those people.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, those are like Alabama fans, dude. You know what
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, bro?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: They're fucking, yeah. Next level, right? I mean, they are
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: locked in, dude. Were you an Alabama fan or LSU?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm LSU fan. I like, uh, UT too, and Vanderbilt
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: since I live in Tennessee now, but, um, Yeah, I mean,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: that's just, that's an intensity, you know? Yeah, so you
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: know what.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, if you want to compare it to that,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: but yeah.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, kind of. But I mean, yeah, it's like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: some people that's, you know, you stay locked into your home.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes if you lose
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: your home, people feel like they have anything, especially some
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: people that have already lost their family.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I will say Gazans are probably the most stubborn people
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: you'll ever meet in a good way, right?
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: They don't give up.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: You go there and they're smiling at you and you
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even know they're going through a genocide until you
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: actually start talking to them. And I went there as
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: a proceduralist, like I said, as a doctor. But one
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: thing I realized is I was just a brother. I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: was just another brother who put my hand on someone's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: shoulder and I said, man, just talk to me. Tell
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: me what's going on. And it took me a few
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: days to get to this level with people because the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: trust thing is real, the mistrusting. So once I got
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: to really trust people and they got to trust me,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: people opened up to me, man. Like there was this,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say the specialty because I don't
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: want to compromise him. You know, people are very scared
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: to talk openly on camera, especially because I actually asked
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: some of them, hey, can I get your testimony on camera?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: And I'll show my people back home to tell you
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: a story. And they're like, no, absolutely not. But there
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: was this guy in the hospital working. He was jailed
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: for two months. No charges. He told me about his
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: jailing experience. And I'll get to that. There was another
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: doctor who was a surgeon. He was jailed for a year,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: no charges. And again, we're talking about doctors being arrested
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: and put in maximum security prisons or jails with no
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: charges and then being let go and saying, oh, you
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: can go back to your normal life. You know how
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: much psychological toll that happens there? And he didn't really
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: tell me the entire story because you could just tell
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: so much crap happened to him. He was talking about
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: the skin diseases he got. He was talking about how
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: they're not allowed to talk to their neighbors. and there's
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: like 200 people in just this space, and they're basically
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: zip-tied and blindfolded. And imagine doing that for two months
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: or a year, and the guards would beat them if
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: they talked to their co-prisoners. I mean, I just don't
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: understand how we can be normalizing that in the healthcare field. Doctors, nurses,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: healthcare workers, I just don't get it.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you mean by that?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: You know, if a pedophile or a serial killer goes
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: to jail, have at it, man. Put him in jail,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: put him in maximum security. You're talking about an innocent physician,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: an innocent surgeon, an innocent nurse. Like, how can we
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: accept that as human beings?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Right. Number of detained medical workers right here, according to
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the head of information for the Hamas-led Gaza health ministry,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: over 365 health workers are being held in Israeli prisons
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: as of early 2025. Yeah.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: So I met two of them, right? They were let
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: go without charges.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I mean- They were? Yeah. And where do they live at?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: They live in a tent, man. In the Khan Yunis,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: there's a, tent city, one third of Gaza all live
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: in this place called Mawasi Camp. I'll show you a
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: picture of this. And it's just tents. Like you literally
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: just find a plot of land, you put your tent
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: down and you have like 20 family members living in there.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: So like each one of those is a tent, right?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's pretty crazy looking. Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: It's not like just you and your wife. It's like
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: you and your wife and your family and kids and in-laws.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: So this is kind of the new Gaza here.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: It's one third of Gaza's right here.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: What's the vibes here, man? I know that's a crazy
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: thing to say, like it's a damn nightclub or something, but.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean shit but it's like.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: They got a bouncer up front you know you see
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: kids playing on trampolines you see kids being kids yeah
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: you see fathers kind of you know sulking trying to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: figure out like what to do you see mothers kind
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: of just hiding in their tents trying to take care
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: of their little ones you see grandpas kind of like
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: hanging out with other grandpas you see what you would
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: expect a normal life to be and That's what it is.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: These people are normal civilians just living their life, man.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: You see donkey carts moving around. You know, everyone cooks
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: here with firewood, right? There's no electricity. So they get
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: the wood through old furniture. And so they're burning old
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: furniture as their firewood. Dude, the toxic fumes here are unreal.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: These people are going to have chronic diseases for the
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: rest of their life. Cancers are going to develop in
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: like 15 years from stuff that, you know, they're burning.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's every kind of, You know, we actually
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: smell the thermite after these bombs. I don't know what
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: health effects that has on people. I just, I fear
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen in the next generation. Like we're
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: going to see some, not only psychological diseases, psychiatric diseases,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: but also literally physical diseases that's going to come about.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: So this is right there, one of the larger tents
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: and they kind of use it as a school. And
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: so all the children are here and they're singing. They're
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: just trying to live a normal life, man. These are
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: the kids there. And so I went here and I
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: asked the principal, hey, do you mind if I record
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: him from the U.S.? Dude, when I told him I'm
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: from the U.S., he's like, please record it and share
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: it with people. And that's what they want. They want
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: people to see they're human, right? And, yeah, so I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: started recording this. And you'll notice I abruptly cut it
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: off because I just couldn't handle it.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, it's.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: Cute.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Just kids having a good time, huh? Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: I broke down like a baby.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't handle that.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Why? Because it's just such a contrary day? What were
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: some of the feelings you were having?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, you see all the kids being destroyed in the
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: trauma bay, and you realize that's the people that are
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: being bombed. Like that's the people that 60,000 dead and
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: 50% are women and children. Like that doesn't make sense, man.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: I have kids at home that age.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: And to see them trying to enjoy life in the
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: setting of bombs going off in the background and quadcopters
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: and drones and tanks. It's like, they're just singing. They're
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: just kids, man. They're just normal human beings that look different,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: that talk different. And somehow they're the, The targets?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: It hurts.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the fact that, like, I don't know.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I just feel like nothing is making sense some days. But, yeah,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: kids should not have to feel that way.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say it for the third time because
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough. Just keep talking, man. And
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying make this the reason for your podcast, but,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: you know, just here and there. If you know someone
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: that's willing to talk about what's going on over there.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, come for the humor. Stay for the genocide, you know?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's... I'm just joking, but it's like, you got... Look,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: I learned from police officers, in moments of trauma, sometimes
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: you have to step outside and laugh, you know?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: You have to step outside and laugh.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: And to your point, the Gazans laugh, they smile, they
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: have a good time, they know their situation is hell.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: It's just terrible, right? But they somehow find humanity within
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: themselves and around them enough to... enjoy whatever life they
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: have left. So props to you for laughing because you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: need to. We're human at the end of the day.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: We can only handle so much stress and trauma, right?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: And I do want to say that as like, I mean,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: right now I'm in a space where I do work
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: for myself pretty much or for our listeners, you know?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I think, I don't think there's any
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: real like kudos to me. I mean, some of those
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: thoughts are nice, but I'm in a, I'm in a
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: position where I can kind of speak up and you're
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: in a position where you can say just what you
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: saw or what you heard. And it's really just what
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: I feel. It's like, I don't fucking know. I know these,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of these countries have been at war forever.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: I know that like the middle East has always been,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: you know, this like behind the veil, like shaking this
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: hand and a knife behind the back. And you know,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: it's always had this mysterious, like knives in Casablanca type
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: of vibes, you know, but, um, But I don't know.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: I just, you see a bunch of kids like fucking,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: you know, playing hide and go seek forever. And it's
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: fucking scary. You're like, what is this? You know? So
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, I'm going to speak up about this
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: a little because I don't want it on my doorstep.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: You know? And who knows? Fucking who knows? You don't
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: know what the devil has planned, brother. You know? And
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: they say the devil will come and he'll, you'll think
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: he's a nice guy. That's a thing. You know, he
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't show up in a shirt that's like, hey, I'm
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: the devil, you know?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: He shows up in something pretty decent. And you're like,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: all right, this guy seems pretty decent. You know, his
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: wife makes a nice casserole or whatever. Do you think
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: you had a positive effect there? And would you do
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: something different if you could go again?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely had a positive effect. The amount of friends, the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: amount of doctors that just were so happy to see
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: us there. to see the camaraderie, the medical friendship that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: we have made there is endless. And I keep in
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: touch with them every day. Every day I wake up
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: and I'm saying, hey, how are you doing? And, you know,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: it's negative, but I say just keep praying to God.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: You know, there's going to come a day where you're
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: going to be smiling and being happy with what's theirs,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: if it's in this life or the next. So, you know,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep trying to do everything I can.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to go back. I want to
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: meet them again. I want to meet that kid Amir again.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know where he is, but I hope I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: see him again.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen, man. Yeah. Yeah, it is that. Yeah. Even
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: just thinking about his smile, that is exciting, you know.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: You got to witness this firsthand. Did it alter your
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: kind of view of humanity? What was that like? What
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: has that kind of been like after a little time
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: has passed here? Because you've been home.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: For a month.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I came home and, you know, seeing all
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: these stories of these children and women and my kids
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: come up to me and they're like, Baba, can we
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: play video games? Can we play Mario Kart? how do
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I go back to reality, you know? Because it really
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: was a different world out there, man. It really was.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: And just like going back to work and just having
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: to deal with a patient that's complaining that maybe I'm
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit late or.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Here, I'm fat or whatever. Yeah, like, dude, who isn't fat?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: You know? I don't know 78 people that aren't fat.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Or just like not being comfortable
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: enough on the table because we didn't provide enough pain medications.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: You know, legitimate, legitimate concerns that any... humans should be
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: able to convey. But just coming back to that, man,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: I just felt so grateful for everything that we had.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the sensation that the feeling I
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: have right now, just so much gratitude for the life
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: that we live, you know? And at the same time,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit of guilt too. Like when I eat
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: meat now, I'm like, dang, dude, I wish I can
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: give this to my friends back I made in Gaza.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: The doctors I worked with, the nurses that I worked with,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: the medical students I worked with, like, I wish I
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: could give this to them, you know? And that's how
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: I feel now.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: And I eat less, you know?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: I just can't get myself to eat three meals a day.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I find myself to eat like one meal
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: a day now. Yeah. That's what I was doing in Gaza.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've talked about like talking to world leaders
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. What message would you communicate to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: world leaders having been there and having offered aid there?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: I think some of the world leaders are actually waking up. Canada, France, Spain,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: they're all willing to recognize a Palestinian state, which, you know,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: should be obvious. I mean, I don't know why Trump
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: can't recognize that humans require dignity and honor and food
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: and water. So I really wish, I feel like Trump
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: has it in him. He just, he needs to be
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: convinced by the right group of people. And I feel
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: like doctors are decent people.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: That's why I wish I could communicate this with them.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: That said, I think, you know, The UN is the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: perfect organization to do something. The Security Council has convened
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: about five times about a permanent ceasefire. And they have
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: the military capability of doing something, imposing that ceasefire. And
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: all five times, the US has basically said no. Every
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: other country has said yes. So it's really the US.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, it really is the US that's preventing the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: UN from doing their job.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Prior to this, in early June 2025, the UN Security
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Council attempted to pass a similar resolution for a permanent
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: ceasefire in Gaza, but it was vetoed by the United States,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: despite 14 out of 15 council members voting in favor.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: So we're the ones holding it up. Oh, yeah. Man,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: that's unreal.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: And that's binding. So that's binding on every country that's
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: part of the UN has to abide by that. So
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: if America approved that, it would be a game changer.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: The US opposition to this resolution should come as no surprise.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: It is unacceptable for what it does say. It is
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: unacceptable for what it does not say. And it is
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: unacceptable for the manner in which it has been advanced.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: The United States has been clear. We would not support
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: any measure that fails to condemn Hamas and does not
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: call for Hamas to disarm and leave Gaza. This resolution
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: would undermine diplomatic efforts to reach a ceasefire that reflects
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: the realities on the ground and emboldens Hamas. This resolution
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: also draws false equivalence between Israel and Hamas, which is
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: both wrong and dangerous.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: There you go. Well, and I don't know what the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: specifics of that resolution were either. But the fact that
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: 14 countries.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the 14 biggest countries, by the way.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about like Martinio.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or Myanmar or whatever. And shout out to the–
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: to the– to Myanmar's out there or Myanmar's. I don't
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: want to freaking go hard R on them. Dr. Rahman,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on, man. I appreciate it.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you bringing me here and giving me
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to talk. I really have to shout out
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: to you for being brave about this and talking about this.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: This is obviously difficult to hear these stories and it's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: not normal to hear that brains are coming out of
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: people's heads and being shot in the head so routinely,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: but it is what it is. We saw it and
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: I would like to share it. And I apologize to
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: the audience if this was too gruesome or grotesque, but
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: it is what it is.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's the truth, man. This is where
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: we are, you know? Um, well, thank you so much again,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: brother and, uh, travel safe back to Milwaukee and, uh, yeah,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: just keep praying, man.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Never stop. Never will stop.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: Cornerstone oh but
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: When I reach that ground I'll share this peace of
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: mind I found I can feel it in my bones
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: but it's gonna take