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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of The Aztecs (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a handsome,
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  robot been alive, the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  Simon heart. Yes.
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  Joe fault. The most marvelous man in the
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  universe, an absolute ball of sunshine and the light of my
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  life. How are you doing today?
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  I'm gonna be the Louisville not knowing anything about sometimes
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  I do lots of preparation sometimes with a story like my
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  motivation which we did last. Don't need it.
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  You don't. I just knew that one off.
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  This one I have no I have not watched so offer but there's
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  lots of comment on the back on the screen so you actually
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  getting proper commentary of what's going on.
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  I shouldn't because I've noticed with a lot of these lately it's
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  been less about what's going on on the screen are more about
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  lots of diversion. Yes we're sometimes it is quite
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  nice to actually commentate on what's going on the screen.
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  However I do have a question for I have an interrogation rather
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  than its current location but oh my goodness.
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  This is raised. Yeah, yes.
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  So I require your opinions on the question of four-part Doctor
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  Who Adventure I do because we only have one to four parts in
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  this season. And if you do this And I'd say
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  if a better, pay serious. But on every child's, not
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  exactly. Pacey, is it when we hit 100,000
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  BC and but do you think the for partier is the ideal leg for a
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  daunting story? It's the ideal length of classic
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  Doctor Who so you don't think a two-parter is the ideal length
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  of the new who I do? Like a two parts because you've
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  got a bit more room to breathe. I've on the characters have a
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  bit? Yes.
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  Yeah, because you've got a bit more time to get to know.
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  No everyone, but I think with the nature of TV.
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  Now, I think you need the zip Iya one part and it's done or
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  six parts, and you've got loads of room to, to get used to
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  everyone as we've just had. But this I think will be
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  intolerable six miles. It would be padded out a
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  six-part. Yes, this would be stretched and
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  that's the case with a lot of six Partners is that you can see
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  that it would be a really tight four-part version of this story.
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  I'm leaving on the sensor eyes know that this will be a talk to
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  Papa, but I think I think in the case of the Aztecs, this is
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  actually went on a PC because it's not Pacey.
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  Like other attacking the side, meant not see but it it does
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  have paste to it. It is the perfect story for the
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  length of the story. Yeah.
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  And, you know what, how many doctors are is, can you say that
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  about a lot? Not brittle.
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  I'm not even for every four parts of because quite often you
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  get the low in episode 2 or episode Bree.
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  I've got another one, you know. Okay.
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  I think the I can name a story which is perfectly paced.
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  Yeah. And suits for parts.
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  Okay. Perfectly.
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  I've just used perfectly twice daily.
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  The Daleks do the Daleks works just about.
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  Yeah, I think I think it has enough plot for for part.
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  Yes. Pirate Planet.
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  Yeah has enough plot for for parts.
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  But yeah, very often like you pointed McCoy and you go well
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  that needs number episode. Yes you know, most of the time
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  and your partner kind of paper and say well that should never
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  have existed. And something that Timeless
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  which is the same length as this story and you've got a story
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  where the doctor doesn't arrive in the story till what would be
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  episode 2? Yeah.
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  Then you've got huge padding in the Tardis at what would be the
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  climax in episode 4 because it's under running.
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  And it's like, nothing quite fits together.
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  How it should, it should be coming in and then you get the
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  false climax, don't you? Yeah.
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  And let it happen again. Yeah, so yeah, it's just like
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  there's, there's a story but it's just not enough incident
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  where I think all regarding Zips along with enough incident to
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  Paris for yes and you've got bit of action, you've got a, you've
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  got some great character moments, and that particular,
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  you were, Is this the episode where they go up to Barbara with
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  the cup of poison? Let's say I have a drink of
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  this. Yes, we we covered you in all
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  humility. I have a drink of this poison.
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  Yeah, Coco Joe has just presented me with a glass of
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  lemonade. Oh shit.
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  So if you hear a bang, that's my head's, hitting the desk at.
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  I've just showed you. I should you no longer here sigh
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  heart, featuring in maximum power.
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  Podcast. This is why I am vital rival
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  podcasters over and yeah, they never come back in person.
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  So 4, 3 2 1, go as your throat. Swelling out
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  episode. You know, where Charles and his
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  friend are having a drink and his friend goes over my head,
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  you drink wife, you've just drunk a Humble, Bundle poison,
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  any five minutes, you'll be dead, and then he just goes, why
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  do they do this? Why Do they re film The
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  Cliffhangers in this? Because they haven't got enough
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  equipment redone, the video tape and cut it in.
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  It's never as effective. You know no in because I haven't
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  got the week's work that the episodes worth of performance to
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  get up to the Cliffhanger acting.
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  Innocence was episode 1 is this fabulous slow pan across and
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  then the thought the Contour of the is Right comes up the window
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  in slow motion in the rear Four Eyes, the camera pane just
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  saying. Yeah, this is like, yeah and
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  knife-wielding. She's not having any of this.
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  Is she, she is terrifying. Yeah, you know, do not cross
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  Barbara, right? So tell you remember when she
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  took out, sadly, forget that. Yeah, there with a gun wielding.
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  She got a bloody knife to that girl's throat in the Crusades.
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  Yeah. And shape.
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  Dangerous. Let's see what those hats.
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  Remind me off. You want sir?
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  Hatt's the Clown's? Where it comes up?
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  The Pet Shop Boys? In the video for go west?
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  Yes, we will find our way. Is he the best villain of the
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  season? That's we go.
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  Got the old mother. She's quite highly y0 and you've
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  got old lady. Painful Carl.
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  Yeah. You got vasil.
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  The second sensor, right? She's holding her arms up in
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  this all this. Staggering the actor because
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  this is too frightening for the kiddos.
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  So I'm, they did let me talk, she's sexual, He's so sexy and,
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  you know, sort of, fetish suits, taiwo cocks.
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  You got a problem. All right, this is coming from
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  Joe's, always fabulous. Yeah.
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  Oh, is that the lights out? Now he's got you ever woken up
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  by this with a man caressing? A nothing next to me.
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  No they won't. Some flowers and badly paid is a
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  feeling. There is a story similar to that
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  with this story where they've made all the pots that are in
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  the background here and given them to students to paint in as
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  textile commercial. But I'm sure that's on the
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  documentary, but I might be misremembering because,
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  obviously, I haven't done any research.
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  So I've got a question for you, Joe
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  Richard Martin all the time. Is it Frank cocks?
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  It does since rights? Yes.
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  Frank clocks and Mervyn pinfield.
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  Yeah. Cox doesn't episode of.
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  Yeah, of edge of Destruction as well.
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  Pinfield does space museum. Yeah, give me sensor has a
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  camera since Horizon and Space Museum, what cvag has no.
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  Okay, so should anybody know anything about John Crockett.
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  Yes, I'm tweet us at Because it's yeah, it's nicely done.
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  Yeah. Convince him to poison Barbara.
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  This is like an episode of The West Wing.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  If Isis action, right? And it's the drama coming out
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  with the characters. This is exactly how these
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  characters would have got through and what they would have
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  done at the time. Well, the trouble is is with
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  Barbara there. She's she has, you know, taking
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  power from energy, yes, essentially in charge of this
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  entire Society. So so his motive is believable.
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  Yes. one thing that the story does quite well and in quite a
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  progressive way, come on in these woke days is that your
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  taxes are was a male God who is reincarnated as a woman and it
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  is not Offensive team commented on the other than saying, how
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  dare you make a suggestion. All right, and I'll male
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  character turning into a female's actually get outraged
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  for that in any other civilization.
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  I'll get me the side. Get me the thumb in the mirror,
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  who was doing that, right? At the very beginning.
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  That's it. I need to do a nerd rustic
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  Style. YouTube video 11 hours at least
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  Yes no but you're right. You're a yeah, it's fabulous.
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  It's really. Yeah.
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  And he could have been here. They could have given that
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  wrong. Yes, exactly.
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  But they give it and you see Barbara when Barbara takes the
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  bracelet at the start and puts it on that leaks.
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  Everything, that happens in this story.
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  Otherwise they would probably have all been killed straight
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  away. Oh my God.
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  Look at how. How quetta SLI that's a big
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  word? Again, it is.
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  How could catch actually she dropped those cocoa beans and I
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  were on his face. And it's a huge close-up of him.
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  It's very funny. I'm looking
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  between Well, the best of this story, there's just a warm.
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  Yeah, it's just a little bit of heart and at this point, the
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  doctor isn't an asexual character, traveling the
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  universe, he's got the same feelings and I mean, it would
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  have been even funnier. That would be truly Progressive
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  in dogs. Always practical.
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  He is. You're always practical.
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  She was going to say that. He he's like she's kind of like
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  the emotional one. Yeah.
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  And he's quite possible. Yeah, and he's sensible.
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  Like I don't care what William Russell says, they got married.
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  They certainly did, didn't I see?
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  Davis has confirmed it. Yeah, you watched of a sort of
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  Roman safety flowers. Oh, there's so now.
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  Put overhead because she was so drunk.
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  She looks like, oh, yeah, that one.
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  Is that historical? They're all good Marco Polo's.
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  Get my compose really great. Isn't it?
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  You said all the Crusader is fun?
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  I remember watching that when it was repeated in 1992 and
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  thinking of this is very But it's one that grows on You,
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  Through The Years. How are you?
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  Look at this. This is your friendship.
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  Never invites around for dinner. Have a fullness here where she's
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  like, I am not yet except she's brilliant.
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  Yes. Little bit was really nice.
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  Most of that bit in case of fairness with their filthy rags.
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  She could do, All of these about she could do the anger, she
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  could do anything. Stupid old man.
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  Don't you realize you would have died in the dark city of Ian
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  doesn't know how to no. No.
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  And what about probably went up to against the darks.
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  She's terrific. Oh God, I don't know.
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  This make me popular. I think she's probably the
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  strongest of the in-sample ivory could probably write actually.
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  And she was a good friend of verity lamb.
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  Yeah. And she did it as a favor to her
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  and I do wonder what she said that the judge.
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  And then she said, when she started, she's so many great.
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  And yeah, like she really started to enjoy it.
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  I'm wondering. If very Lambert said.
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  Let's give her a strong role. It just comes from David,
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  Whittaker, working on the characters.
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  And making them all as strong as they possibly can be.
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  This is a marvelous way to get engaged.
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  Yeah, that's a lot of. Yeah, Coco's.
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  And the effort you've got a gap. Share a nice warming.
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  Yeah. You've had your TGI Friday.
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  You had a nice Friday on out and just say it, right?
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  Two cups of cocoa. Take me to the Ritz-Carlton if
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  you want to get engaged to me. Mostly I'm going now, okay?
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  Good. This looks to look at on the
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  sense. Lots of just details, then
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  they're very New Breed really, really good is Nathan.
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  Bottomley of fly for entirety. Yes, I'm always stresses to me.
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  The vision in television is very important and I was just say,
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  well, it doesn't really matter, you know, like those made in the
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  budget and what it looks like doesn't matter as long as it's
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  entertaining and its intellectual.
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  Actually, I think he's right if there's a level of visual
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  sumptuousness. It's almost a distraction, isn't
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  it? Yeah.
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  And I think a lot of modern-day TV uses that distraction because
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  a lot because it is a great. Let the scriptures not as
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  clever. Yeah well they just churning out
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  team meetings. Yes.
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  All right. So I'm not saying you know shit
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  I think they've got better at making television.
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  So yes I'm a good standard all the sign now but I think is the
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  most visually stunning classic Who stories.
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  Some of them are historical ones.
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  Yes, I would have been one of his with my black Wolcott.
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  Yeah. Which has all pretty lousy
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  script, but looks beautiful go slow, which is a very confusing
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  to put. Yeah, it looks, but it's for,
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  and again, that's like this, this is all in all in the studio
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  story but it is really well done.
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  Sometimes. And I think probably the better
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  stories combined that visual sub justness with what a terrific
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  script. Yes.
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  I'm going to point out a story. You don't like now.
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  Okay. Say revelation of the Dale.
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  Yeah. Can you find it?
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  I was just about to say primitive also, then I
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  remembered the pyramids. Oh yeah.
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  I know. Yeah.
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  Those those are not great sex. Okay, I'm gonna be look at this
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  time is a great script and a great.
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  Yes. But if you look at the stories
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  where you haven't got a great script and you haven't got or
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  you've got a great script asset Again, full script Whole sets
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  and the whole thing between the Lemma.
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  Yeah, end-of-season, no money just looks tinfoil covered
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  consoles. And what is that when people
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  talk to who, when you have a fantastic script and a great
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  production lifetime of their army, what's that?
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  Is a great production, it's great script.
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  Yeah, well, Pari dangers is the words.
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  So yeah. But if you can get something
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  like this, where you've got to stop perfect mesh.
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  Yeah, for something that was meant to be broadcast once and
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  probably never seen again, maybe seen in a couple of countries
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  around the world, but that wasn't a big.
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  Big thing at the time. How do you think William
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  Hartnell would feel? Yeah, if he was told we're
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  making this in what 1964 that? Joe Fallen.
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  Silent heart in 2021. We'll be sitting down and doing
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  a commentary about your performance, her story like what
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  the kid just look at us. Like we were completely insane
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  and say you're a pair of gays. You have that as anyone because
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  sometimes you just forget how much he set up Doctor, Who and
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  you concentrate on trout and coming in because he's done the
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  difficult being of being the first new Doctor Who.
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  Yeah, or being the second Doctor Who, whereas Hartnell is just up
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  to whom he is just the doctor, there's no inkling until the
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  10th Planet, pulp. All that there is any chance
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  that this character Could be anyone else?
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  It's just the doctor is. Yeah.
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  And he creates that he created that character is the governor.
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  Yeah. Can you say about trout?
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  And having a hard roll of hang on to that, I do agree with
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  that. I do think he did things.
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  I actually think it's undersold, the difficult task that / we had
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  will because the show was on the skittish.
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  Yeah. And for him to take, hold of it
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  and to make it such a success like yeah.
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  Give it its second big flush of success after the Daleks in
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  Serie A season two. I mean, the rains were fairly
• 25:46
  good in season 1 season so it just Rockets as soon as you get
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  the Dalek invasion of Earth, its Sky High.
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  Yeah, it's sad though because you get to wear planet and that
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  hits the massive high of like 13.5 million on episode 1 and
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  then it just goes down there. But but like you mean It's still
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  pretty good at the raisin rest. Yeah, but it's never quite that
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  high. Again.
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  I think enough people tuned into that.
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  Wait what it is honestly. Congratulations.
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  It's a couple of stories earlier.
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  They were literally at each other's necks.
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  Yes, If you didn't hear that kind of
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  message each other. Welcome back to Joe's legs.
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  I'm just putting the subtitles on nowadays.
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  Right. Yeah, I'll take Kitty sickness
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  and that's just to watch an episode of Discovery.
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  I like this sort of language camera work where it's also
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  what's wrong with a though. It stop it tells the story
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  perfectly adequately but like if the camera was when they did
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  their reign of terror animation and it was always like
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  Tarantino. So it it's mouth.
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  You know them? Yeah.
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  Is no yes. Thank right.
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  Other tricks. Many pajamas in one of those
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  books. Okay, here it's like commentary
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  tonight Russell doing good? Yeah, bestowed, a clean when
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  it's very expensive. You think week is lit up
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  beautifully? Done any exterior filming for
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  Doctor? Who at all at this point, it
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  doesn't Paris. Yeah.
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  I mean, this is like, in a way, this is a dry run for
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  Battlefield episode 2 minutes. You just can't convince her
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  something that light is really night.
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  And when it slides in as well you're here is polystyrene even
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  State. What's the difference of does is
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  try to bump me up? oh, Come on, Ian.
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  But this is good because this is this is where he comes out in
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  the to McGinnis and yes and gives them access and then the
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  only thing stopping of leaving absurd for if they need to get
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  Susan away. Yes.
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  So yeah, it's like that episode of Marco Polo again same right
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  to where the episode ends with the almost all getting into the
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  Tardis but Susie gets captured at the end and they're so close.
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  You know, I bet that there's water Marco Polo.
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  I'm for it. Can you imagine if this was just
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  telling us that excited, we could only see You like because
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  it is so beautiful to look at. I've been would still lose
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  something with me. There would be there would
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  probably be moments that were missed.
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  I think this is the thing with the Telly snaps is that sometime
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  we haven't got certain key moments.
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  We're incredibly lucky to have the Telus app and the
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  Reconstruction, and the animation.
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  Yeah, and we'll just the same tracks, even it's just amazing.
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  You lose something from. Not seeing the new ones.
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  In the perform. Yes.
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  And I find less. So when I wash Galaxy forward
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  Hannah which is more trout and he's just always doing stuff
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  with his face. Yes it isn't there in the and
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  she's always doing something that you don't expect him to be
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  doing nothing. Yeah.