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Strictly Come Hamster - Series B (featuring Elliot Mair, David G-P, Matt Michael & Paul Quinn) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm never alone with you. A Joy to the World.
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  Joe. Hello and welcome back to
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  Strictly Come hamster. A doctor who masturbate foot
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  cost? Thank you show.
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  That to be taken home. I'm using the people on this
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  call. I mean, what wouldn't object,
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  you know? I got caught a posh Gardener
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  today out of the front of my dad's house and everyone assumed
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  it was some type of euphemism that it would come up dating of
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  uphill Gardner. I might be quite camp, but I
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  think I am the campus straight man in fandom at the moment.
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  So, and I did tell, I just have two older convert.
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  It would take effort, but, you know, I am the Posh gardener on
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  the call. Well, thank God.
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  You're here. Otherwise it's just a load of
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  guys on this call. Hello, hello. sorry, Elliot the
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  honestly Well, I I'm Elliot, but in a way we are all Joe Ford's
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  children as we go, we gotta tackle some Hefty topics such as
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  is it okay to ruin Christmas for an entire nation with one
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  script? Know he's blink really the best
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  Doctor Who story of all time and should men ever host podcasts?
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  They only ever seen her apartment not very Bunch.
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  Yeah, well good question to help us all be from no, hang on.
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  Sorry, Season 2, um to help sort the privilege team.
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  Sorry, wrong Series 2. Again, the helper treats from
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  our AI generators and find an overall best episode from season
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  2. We're joined by.
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  Three very special guests. And I'm going to go around and
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  everyone can introduce themselves, so we've got David,
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  Gillespie Pratt. Good evening.
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  Yes. I'm David, Gillespie Pratt.
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  I'm the one who does a large number of YouTube videos about
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  obscure things in camera scripts, because why the hell
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  not? And apparently, I'm an
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  authority. I'm missing episodes, which we
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  would spewed. I do not know as much as some
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  people, but I do know stuff about my opinions on series two
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  slash b or whatever, we want to call it, and this is gonna be
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  interesting. We will, so joined by Matt
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  Michael, I Michael, I'm a retired Doctor Who fan, like,
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  I've won a very long highest from reviewing things for dwm or
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  watching and updating episode blogs and joined by Paul Quinn.
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  Hello. I'm Paul Quinn from this podcast
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  and possibly for talking about penises and cigars in Ghostlight
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  the weekend. Well, lots of selling a lie
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  there, but he is absolutely selling the truth, but that is
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  on another episode of hamster. If you want to go, listen to it.
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  Out, of course, we're also joined by Joe Ford.
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  Yes. Hello there.
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  Hello. I don't really have.
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  I've been in the company of such charismatic intelligent and
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  handsome men. A bit hot bother tonight but I'm
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  happy to be here. I know I've shot the window to
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  drown out the sound of the children having fun outside
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  time. I'm legitimately hot Yeah.
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  Is that right? Officially hot.
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  Yeah. But we're officially and
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  unofficially. Yeah.
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  This call William. It's like a pin-up calendar.
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  Fuck say Joe, would you want to explain the format for anybody's
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  listening for the first time you do it?
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  So well, yes, tonight we're gonna shit all over shoot.
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  She got while second season of Doctor Who series B.
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  We're gonna buy out our opinions on the episode.
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  And then somehow, somehow find a gym to Champion in this doctor
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  heard, I mean, this fantastic season of Doctor, Who Feel like
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  I've got I don't know how everybody's gonna feel, but I I
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  might just instinctively be trying to take a slightly nicer
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  event on it but you know, will see I suppose when we get so
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  that's another place like slightly nice event.
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  There's a flat shape amongst, you know, I know he's gonna be
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  very kind about the tail end of the season.
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  But I shall leave that ambiguous for now.
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  Well, first, we go around and make sound like my idea that
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  everybody gives their additional thoughts on the series as a
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  whole. It's a great idea.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  We'll go with the table order as last time because then I I'll
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  remember that way. So David.
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  What's your overall thoughts on series too?
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  oh, you see I brought myself a bottle of beer because I got
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  feeling, you know, I'm gonna need this, you know, I'm gonna
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  have to decide the optimal point that I might need some sort of
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  alcohol existence because Through Joe Ford.
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  And when I had the first invitation to do strictly, I
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  went on it serious. 12 and it was not a series I liked, and I
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  sat down watched it, and my opinion changed on the whole,
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  you know, I I developed a bit more appreciation for it.
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  Then a few weeks ago, you did flocks put out the comments and
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  it was the first time I was like, I don't know, flux enough.
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  To comment on it. So I went rewatched it because I
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  didn't like it on broadcast. Again reappraised, it her
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  doctors. We love to reassess things and
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  my opinion changed. I still, don't think it's
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  perfect. I've always got a quantify as a
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  doctor, too fat. You can't just be positive
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  people. Always got to have a caveat in
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  there but I enjoyed it. So the time around I did not
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  enjoy this on broadcast. Is this three for three is a in
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  a reappraisal terms. Yeah, there is absolutely not.
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  Oh this it seems to be the sort of receiver wisdom and it might
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  work back in the comments that this is better than the 2024
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  season. I'm in the minority.
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  I actually think the highs of last year were higher.
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  Than the highs of this season. Because last year, you had 73
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  yards Dotson bubble, which were really pitching quite High.
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  Like there are some good episodes here but I just don't
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  think they were as good. And you've got two very mixed to
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  pour finales and This one, this year I think is worse. doesn't
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  mean I'm gonna kick it out or come to, that biggest issue is
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  The introduction of a new companion who when they set the
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  stall out, you know, she's gonna, but she's not gonna take
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  the doctor's crap. She's gonna stand up for us.
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  She's gonna, you know, I'm not one of your adventures, you
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  know, how dare you scam me without my consent?
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  All that stuff that they have that gradually just dissolves.
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  Probably about halfway through locks where she's still clothed
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  David. Oh, you tortured, a genocide
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  Survivor. Come here and give me a hug.
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  Oh yeah. I mean we will get to that, we
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  would definitely get to that but and then you have an episode
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  where she doesn't even appear apart from in the pre titles
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  because they hand it over to Millie Gibson who comes on and
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  proves how good she is. So It's like the series just
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  deliberately sabotaging this character development and then
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  you get two episodes or Belinda isn't even properly Belinda. so,
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  That's really frustrating and watching it back.
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  It really, it's me frustrating that she just have a proper
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  character. She doesn't have an episode to
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  herself. It's quite static.
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  You know, there's a, it was kind of reminded me a little bit
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  serious, five season, five Original season, 5, based under
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  siege, you know, how can we stick everything on one set or a
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  couple of sets? Because if, you know, locks is
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  set mostly innocent amount. You've got the well which is
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  basically in one room and the well, you an entire episode set
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  practice in a barber shop. It's like this bill and race.
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  Where is the Disney money? Where is the Disney Mart?
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  Where apparently? It's upgrading the special
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  effects to 4K. Allegedly.
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  I was good. We we did our season two.
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  So with with the with someone who worked on season one as a
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  VFX coordinator and she was like, yeah, it was like
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  basically an extra couple of million for some VFX shots and
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  that was that was the Disney Valley.
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  That was like the big, the big Disney deal that they were
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  talking about was some extra VFX money.
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  James says, it's just resting her account.
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  Oh sure, though. Yeah, takes it up from the
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  Maldives and was only minor. Yeah.
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  Oh, where was? This is becoming a speech?
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  It feels for overly familiar, you know.
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  Stories. Like the whale.
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  You feel like you've seen it before.
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  Oh we have David. and, I don't know if this is the right time
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  to touch on it, it's the tears and the over emotion.
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  I I'm not one of those cliche Doctor Who fans.
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  I'm not saying they go, you can't have emotions in drama.
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  How dare you? but you have to earn it, you
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  have to earn it through your characters, through your
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  writing, through your performances to have, The doctor
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  just crying kind of On Cue. It's you can feel the cogs of
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  the acting. It feels incredibly artificial
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  it just doesn't feel earned you know I can watch and just like
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  Star Trek lower decks which is animated and that can move me to
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  absolutely tears because it puts in the work with its
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  character's. You know, how can I cry over
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  these fans who don't exist? And they're all, they're all
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  getting weepy. It's like, I don't care about
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  these characters. I cried when they did exist.
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  So, it just feels quite Hollow at times.
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  Something. Okay, I've been very negative.
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  There are some positives, there are some bits.
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  I really like when we come to the idea, so close to coming on
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  those longer friends with Gregory at this point.
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  Well, come to the positives, where the time.
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  That's my last bullet point. That's my last point, but it's
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  it's a heart, it's a difficult series, it's almost like I don't
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  want to be a hater, but I have a lot of issues with the writing
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  and production of the season. Right?
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  He's taken up all the time. Matt pole, you got one word,
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  each No, sorry, Elliott. I'm joking.
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  David. By the way, I'm joking.
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  No, you weren't you, bitch, you can call me a card.
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  It's all right. You that at some point?
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  But Matt. So what are your overall
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  thoughts on season 2 Series 2 Series 15 season 15?
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  Slightly. I think David gave very eloquent
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  condemnation shooting definitely be crying if he was listening I
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  do slightly I do slightly prefer it to shooty first series.
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  Shooting one, or whatever. We want to call it. but in
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  general, I have to not go into. I think the consensus on this
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  call, I'm not a huge fan. I think if anything shoot his
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  performance is even more Louie Spence this season.
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  Last, there's a lot of yes. Queen show me the love in.
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  Hi. And I think it makes the doctor
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  seemed a bit like a basic bitch to be honest, but I think season
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  26 of the classic series left and wanting more.
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  I think Series 2 left us like the War Doctor saying no more.
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  Ouch. You never complain about me
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  being a basic bitch. Paul, what are your overall
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  thoughts about the series 2? It reminded me.
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  So so two are the RTD2 as I'm calling it for Shakespeare and
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  notation and reminded me of one RT.
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  D4. And there's a lot of disposable
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  direct at the top end of it. And then, once you answer the
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  second half, it becomes really rather marvelous.
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  And in fact, this may be better than series for because series
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  4, marvelous run from the library to the end in Cleveland
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  midnight, which is many people know, I think is the most
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  overrated story in Old who. Where is he?
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  You don't get that kind of COG in the wheel or planking in the
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  final episode of this, which I, I thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed.
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  I thought it was a marvelous piece of Television.
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  I'm not sure it's Doctor Who I think it might be a television
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  version of Doctor Who Unbound where we get, imagine, if Doctor
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  Who did have gods in it because that's that's an odd development
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  that's taking place, but I thought it was a huge
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  Improvement on. Two RTD one.
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  Where there's only really one story in that that I think will
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  last. There's one story in this that
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  will also last. And you know, if anyone's ever
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  talked about who again, there are two stories in this run that
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  will last one of them is in the second one.
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  I, I think it's marvelous, I I thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed it
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  and I look forward to defending it.
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  A few timely the seasoning. Well, it might, it might not be
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  as a few times as you think, but I just will see.
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  Joe. You gonna I think we know too
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  much these days or at least I know too much these days.
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  I know too many people that know people that are involved in this
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  production and I heard all sorts of gossip and Scandal and
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  rumors. And so I went into this series
• 15:48
  ready to hide it. Because I had some pretty
• 15:52
  appalling things. And I hated it but I I didn't
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  hate it all. I think it's occasionally fresh
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  and exciting but more often, it's pale copies of what we've
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  seen before with our more visible budget.
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  My biggest issue with this year is Belinda.
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  I cannot get behind Belinda at all.
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  I think she has a terrible opening episode.
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  I think she hasn't even worse. Closing episode.
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  And like you said, where is she in between?
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  Never before a character that could have had so much promise
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  who was, you know, we were handed an incredible actress
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  that has done work elsewhere. That is so impressive, a much
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  smaller role in Star Wars. There's so much more impressive
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  of what she was giving to do in Star Wars here.
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  She's a lead in this amazing show.
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  Got nothing at all to do. And the year is Tainted.
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  Absolutely tainted by the fact that it was a reworked Ruby
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  Sunday year Belinda, Chandra was not supposed to exist and you
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  feel that in every single episode it's specialized middle
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  ones where she just gets nothing to do where she's just hanging
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  around on the sides of the plot because those writers were
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  actually told much about her. They said, oh yeah.
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  Make it up. She's a nurse.
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  You know, do something with her. Yeah.
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  So I think this is a really flawed year of Doctor Who
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  there's a couple of episodes. I want to look after, but
• 17:10
  there's more episodes, I don't. Yeah, I think I went in to ask
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  you to, with, such high expectations, because that first
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  Rusty Davis. Here is my favorite era of
• 17:20
  Doctor Who ever. And no way, I could, I possibly
• 17:24
  say this is superior to Serious 4 because that's my favorite
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  season of Doctor Who of all time.
• 17:29
  I think there's a darling that year.
• 17:31
  Yeah, this is where is the money?
• 17:35
  You know, like I can't. Go, did we go to Nigeria?
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  Did we really was a back alley in cold if God says bring back
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  ship to all his forgiving? Let's go to South Africa know.
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  Yeah I'm not keen but there's there's a few gems.
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  I'm okay. What did you think of earlier?
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  Easy sorry just on that point as well.
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  The problem that I have with like the money thing is I don't
• 17:59
  like the way the children of lir looks because it looks like it's
• 18:01
  trying to be Prestige TV drama, but the problem I have with this
• 18:06
  sort of era is that it looks like crap, but it's like
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  expensive looking crap. It's it's very, it's very
• 18:12
  bizarre. I, I've not been fond of the
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  visual language of the show for a little while.
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  Um I always thought summed up. Let's shoot these first series
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  as missed opportunity. Every episode felt like it was
• 18:26
  reaching a place and then dropping the ball.
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  In in its scripting, but not quite getting there for me, and
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  this series feels like wasted opportunity rather than stopping
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  me. Um I I enjoyed the star of it
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  and I went into it with an open mind.
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  I didn't hear about some of the production stuff until I was
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  already into the series and that did take some of my view of.
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  How are you off my horizons? I started getting through it.
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  So I started hearing people oh my God, and it has tainted how I
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  feel. I think, especially about the
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  latter half of the series and how I look back on it now.
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  But I went in with an open mind because I always wanted to enjoy
• 19:01
  Doctor Who but I think after the first three, Which I'm not
• 19:07
  saying I love all of them but they were pretty solid after a
• 19:11
  shaky start me the year before. It just kind of gradually.
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  Deflated and I don't know how much blame I put the feet
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  everybody. I think the the production team,
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  the crew, the individual writers, I think generally have
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  done a good job of kind of pulling something out of
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  nothing, but I would rather have the nothing I think than Sort of
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  celebrate together. Bit of like, it feels like
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  whether the web of fear animation came out and everyone
• 19:43
  was going. Oh, this is terrible.
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  And then people, you know, they've just got a perfect, the
• 19:46
  format. And it's like, well, yeah, but
• 19:47
  don't be trying to perfect the format.
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  When you charge me 25 quid for a Blu-ray disc.
• 19:51
  I feel a bit like that? I don't, you know, don't release
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  a series if you can't actually make it all come together for
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  me. But there are still some good
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  moments in here. I think overall it does shine
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  better than Siri's one. But you for your mind.
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  No way. Is this better than one?
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  Good grief. I think you.
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  I think so. When I look at series, when I
• 20:14
  look at series one, I, I don't like, I don't like the opening.
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  I like its second episode. I don't like boom.
• 20:21
  For obvious reasons, 73 yards doesn't resonate with me.
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  I don't, I don't like the one with the bird people.
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  Oh, and then it's into the finale and I don't like both
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  parts. Where is this?
• 20:33
  You know, I like summer against other star episodes, then it
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  loses me. A little, in the middle, then
• 20:38
  there's a bit of a stand out. And then I think the finale is A
• 20:43
  very mixed bag of when when the writing is white fills.
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  Like it was originally meant to be like when Ruby was probably
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  the companion, it feels really good when it's very obvious
• 20:52
  rewrite. it's not doing so good, so I don't know, I'm all mixed
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  up this year. 31 of, this is the sword television.
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  You get, when you tell the Creator that he is, the god of
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  television and he starts to think that he cannot be
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  corrected. This is this is the level of
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  entertainment that we get for me.
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  For me. I always feel like the script of
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  relatively fine on like a technical level.
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  And, yeah, I've had people say that the man as kind of things
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  to read today. A perfectly fine.
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  I don't like, I was got the artifice of this series, I don't
• 21:27
  like The flatness of a lot of the lighting choices and
• 21:30
  everything feels fake and stale and weird to look at.
• 21:34
  It doesn't feel like real tangible, television.
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  And finally enough actually, instead of watching season 2,
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  I've been watching Series 1 from 1963 to see how 60 out of fear
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  for thanks to see how 60 years ago you handle companions, who
• 21:51
  don't want to be traveling in the Tardis and make a real think
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  of it, but we're actually giving characters development.
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  It's been really refreshing. I tell you, everybody should
• 21:57
  just go watch that as much better.
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  I've just finished, Marco Polo. If anybody's interested.
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  Anyway, I mean interested, she did some overviews for.
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  I just more for this nonsense. That's good.
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  Yeah, before I start making it about how good series one is.
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  We just move over here. Oh, I shall kick us off with
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  somebody called sigh heart. I don't know if anybody's heard
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  of him. That's the running gag,
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  apparently, funny. How the high?
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  Apparently, he does some podcasts.
• 22:26
  So what does he have to say from South funny?
• 22:29
  How the high points, all ones, not written by RTD, it points to
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  my theory that wherever you are in life, you should never go
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  back. Second Time Around is always a
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  disappointment. It's hard to recapture the
• 22:38
  magic. I've got Daniel Knight.
• 22:41
  He says, it's very vegetable themed.
• 22:44
  Don't boil your cabbages twice. As Katie Manning said, When she
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  was making cabbages ironic given both she and RTD came back for
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  Sarah, Jane Adventures, death of the doctor and that's absolutely
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  wonderful. RTD is still capable of
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  excellent writing 73 yards Dot and bubble, the well, but both
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  serious finales have been overblown messes.
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  Serious 15, the best of times, the worst of times so much
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  potential, so much of it wasted away in a sea of overindulgence.
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  Know decent monsters apart from the street and the companion.
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  I wanted to care about but the writers didn't care about her so
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  I could Oh, so sad. Well jamana says, loved it up to
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  the second half of the finale. Which RTD clearly found in, I'll
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  never forgive him for making the doctor a racer companions,
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  proper life and her awareness of it.
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  Rewriting, as a trade wife, happy single mom to force a
• 23:46
  child and never was even real. A GOP wet dream, I still feel
• 23:52
  sick. Of course she wouldn't be
• 23:54
  working and it's quite clear at the end that she is still going
• 23:57
  to work. So that doesn't quite Works an
• 23:59
  argument right. Know.
• 24:02
  The god, the horror of a lumbered with a child at the end
• 24:05
  of the season when you didn't have one at the start.
• 24:07
  Oh my God is actually that child popping these babies.
• 24:13
  Are done Hollingsworth, a mix of RTD cover versions of himself
• 24:17
  with an even Messier finale turd than last year that got worse.
• 24:21
  All the scenes drama some great single episodes by other writers
• 24:25
  though, but Linda was cool until they ruined it with the Mumsy
• 24:29
  rewrites. Oh shame Ruby, great on red
• 24:32
  Conrad dishy. Well yes, but Ruby.
• 24:35
  Yes, come on. Come does everybody who swings
• 24:40
  that? Way?
• 24:40
  Find Conrad dishy because I got I really don't like that.
• 24:44
  Gentleman's face. I mean, I know you don't like I
• 24:48
  know you're not meant to like the character, I just I found
• 24:50
  out. I thought.
• 24:56
  I just went and saw, I Know What You Did Last Summer, the remake
• 24:59
  of that film and he's one of the leads in that and I could not
• 25:01
  look at his face while he's on screen.
• 25:03
  And so I very objectively handsome, man.
• 25:06
  Not my type. Sorry I did.
• 25:08
  Sorry. It was that the hardest, I
• 25:11
  wasn't their way. Over the doctor will face to
• 25:13
  face us. Just feel me.
• 25:14
  Just do it. Then you won't sleep.
• 25:18
  A mixed bag, many enjoyable stories by new writers
• 25:23
  exclamation mark and a blazingly charismatic doctor just coming
• 25:27
  into his own, his own. What?
• 25:29
  I don't know. Just says, dot dot dot.
• 25:32
  Hamstrung by franchise brand management.
• 25:34
  The companion, really an excessive preoccupation with the
• 25:41
  past lesson for the future over familiarity breeds contempt,
• 25:47
  Glenn Fitzgerald writes, no decent monsters.
• 25:51
  And what the heck happened to Belinda's storyline?
• 25:53
  Just didn't flow as seasoned to me all very rushed at the end
• 25:57
  with the shit appearance from Omega waste opportunities
• 26:00
  throughout the season. Apologies to fans of this season
• 26:03
  but he just wasn't for me. So I'm logging for somebody to
• 26:06
  say something nice. Now, you might be in luck with
• 26:10
  John and the individual episodes are probably the most
• 26:13
  uncomplicated Lee enjoyable since Series 5, victory of the
• 26:20
  Daleks, the hungrier and cold blood.
• 26:22
  Is he mad? Let's talk about the weather.
• 26:28
  Just not the animated episode 3, not that.
• 26:31
  It's somewhat let down by the arc, having to be Rewritten to
• 26:33
  accommodate a new companion and the Regeneration though.
• 26:35
  So even the positive comment has a caveat see?
• 26:38
  Doc two fans have to have a caveat.
• 26:40
  It's true. Andrew F.
• 26:44
  Don't know what the f stands for a stronger run than the first
• 26:47
  season. Thought that the Omega return
• 26:49
  was a waste of character. The ran he was dispatched to
• 26:53
  easily to wrap up the story. The Regeneration, didn't land
• 26:56
  for me. Possibly due to the shortest
• 26:58
  series. These days and the possible.
• 27:00
  Next doctor feels too insular. Other than that dot treat Andrew
• 27:05
  Air Force from Tara Alpha. I suspect he must be.
• 27:09
  Yeah. So mid-level.
• 27:16
  Writes it all started out so well, with a great companion,
• 27:20
  like a modern day Barbara, right?
• 27:22
  Then the behind the scene, Shenanigans kicked in, she was
• 27:26
  sidelined. While everything that was being
• 27:28
  set up, was eventually ignored and it limped to the lame is
• 27:31
  conclusion. Ever another season of content
• 27:33
  over the substance. The problem.
• 27:35
  Of course, it's called already. Is that Joe?
• 27:37
  You're right, we fans know too much, but the general public
• 27:41
  didn't know any of this. Now if there's any general
• 27:44
  public left watching it, it's more interesting.
• 27:46
  What they made of it because they're not aware of the impact
• 27:49
  that what's going on behind the scenes is having on things like
• 27:52
  Belinda, why she's been ditched, why Ruby turns up, you know,
• 27:55
  that's pretty contract obligation.
• 27:57
  So there's an interesting tension developing here between
• 27:59
  people who know what's going on behind the scenes and its
• 28:03
  impacts on how they're watching it and the general public, who
• 28:06
  don't know these things. And then just watching this
• 28:08
  piece of Television, I mean we lost we've lost because it's
• 28:11
  sort of average towards Jody's. The end of her tenure was sort
• 28:15
  of five million and the average here was sort of two to three,
• 28:19
  wasn't it? So we've lost two million people
• 28:21
  somewhere. And a few of those, you know,
• 28:25
  friends of mine casual viewers. He's like, why have you stopped
• 28:28
  watching? And they've all said the same
• 28:30
  thing. Oh, They don't want to be
• 28:33
  lectured. And that's what they said.
• 28:36
  It felt like either being told off like lectured or finger
• 28:38
  working and it said, did you like no copy of tell us later
• 28:42
  why? That's absolutely.
• 28:44
  What should be happening here? What's up?
• 28:46
  You're gonna tell us later, why why the lecturing is important?
• 28:49
  I think the idea that people have Forgot Davis is an
• 28:53
  incredibly. To go, right?
• 28:54
  I mean you can't watch query as Folk and it's a sin years and
• 29:00
  years. However, bad the first half of
• 29:03
  his first season is that's all Politics.
• 29:05
  The idea that Russia Today is a police, is a political right
• 29:08
  here, isn't news to anyone who's been watching for the last 25
• 29:10
  years. They don't electric, maybe they
• 29:14
  don't like hearing what he's saying.
• 29:17
  And I feel like there's some there's some stuff from series
• 29:20
  one before that. We now take for granted or 20
• 29:22
  years of political development. Hindsight the time would have
• 29:27
  also made people feel like they're being lectured to.
• 29:29
  Yeah I mean it's got same-sex kisses in it I'm sure lots of
• 29:33
  people very uncomfortable with that in the early days.
• 29:35
  Where do you come from earlier? I kind of agree with with Paul's
• 29:41
  General point. I think there are a couple of
• 29:43
  instances that will get to in the season where I think, That
• 29:48
  the point is made by it's just an overstatement, but it doesn't
• 29:52
  necessarily seem to have very much relation to what you've
• 29:56
  actually seen on screen or a huge amount with the story.
• 30:00
  But I would agree Paul and generally, it's like, hi Russell
• 30:04
  T Davis, because he does have strong opinions, strong views,
• 30:07
  and he puts it is right and Over examples.
• 30:13
  Probably looked high script, isn't it like the latter half of
• 30:15
  the high script and that's what I thought.
• 30:18
  This area was going to be like, more like that.
• 30:20
  I'm surprised I was as little as there is.
• 30:23
  Yeah. But other thing is is I think
• 30:25
  ironically it's a year or actually it kind of back pedals
• 30:27
  accidentally on a lot of its Progressive.
• 30:29
  Yeah. Actually.
• 30:30
  Ends up being quite regressive Accidentally In some ways that I
• 30:33
  disagree with some people being other ways that I think are my
• 30:35
  own unique opinions that everyone can tell me I'm wrong
• 30:37
  about. So there is one of that there is
• 30:40
  one episode where The finger, wagging hectoring lecturing is
• 30:45
  absent and I wouldn't have minded seeing some but we'll
• 30:50
  come to that. Yeah, we're all fight.
• 30:52
  We'll fight. Yeah we're already all doing.
• 30:54
  We all ready to Does anybody have a preference?
• 31:03
  But who goes first or should I just pull you better directors.
• 31:07
  Someone at random? I will, I will break my, my
• 31:14
  usual order and I'll go and reverse order this time around.
• 31:17
  So Paul, that's a story that you ought to condemn or or Champion.
• 31:25
  Well yeah, let's go hard or go home.
• 31:28
  Let's go to the end. Let's go to wish world and the
• 31:31
  reality War. Let's go straight to the poison
• 31:34
  pill. And as to why I want to keep
• 31:36
  this little loved to party, I think. throughout the season,
• 31:44
  obviously Davis has Decided that he's going to go for the section
• 31:52
  of fandom. Who have been?
• 31:56
  Overtly unhappy since 2017 they didn't like Jodi because she was
• 32:03
  a woman. They don't like shooting because
• 32:05
  he's black and gay and so they then therefore these are not
• 32:10
  their doctors and of course, because they're on Twitter and
• 32:14
  they've got Tedious, YouTube essays.
• 32:18
  And they've got a few people agreeing with them, they think
• 32:20
  that they are absolutely right, and they just power on
• 32:23
  regardless and and the warping of The Wider, political and
• 32:27
  social environment that's taking place at 2016 means they've got,
• 32:31
  they think they've got Credence to their views and that anyone
• 32:35
  who disagrees them is wrong, and therefore, has to be insulted at
• 32:38
  homens and and dismissed. And so Davis for good or real
• 32:43
  has decided throughout the season that he's going to take
• 32:46
  the battle to them. I think part of the issues.
• 32:48
  He's back on Twitter. And he's quite vocal on Twitter.
• 32:50
  Now, isn't he? In the way that he wasn't
• 32:52
  previously? And I think that absence of
• 32:54
  Twitter, he's probably hasn't realized just how poisonous is
• 32:56
  become as venue and so throughout the narrative, you
• 33:01
  get these repeating attacks on what we might call in cell
• 33:05
  culture or what we see is New Right fantasies about what the
• 33:10
  country should look like and which of course we get in wish
• 33:13
  world with Conrads construction of a world which is broadly,
• 33:18
  speaking a return to the 1950. It's that date that someone
• 33:21
  playing the all brexit is wanted to take Britain back to which I
• 33:25
  forget the exact table, they worked it out.
• 33:26
  It had to come between the end of Um, rationing so that's 53
• 33:32
  and before the Sue is debacle which is when Britain is
• 33:36
  finished as a world power. So I I would guess it's around
• 33:39
  1955 Churchill leaves off as an old man and Anthony Eden.
• 33:44
  Finally comes to power and that's what they want.
• 33:46
  They don't want the 6662 Progressive and that's what you
• 33:49
  get in, which World they do miss something, though, which I will
• 33:53
  come on to which maybe my controversial statement for the
• 33:56
  evening. But I think the idea there opens
• 33:59
  with that kind of Fairy Tail opening, the Ronnie is wicked
• 34:05
  stepmother. Turning the children in the in
• 34:08
  the, in the woodcutters Cottage into ducts.
• 34:10
  So it's a bit like a Grimm's fairytale.
• 34:12
  It's a bit, like, Anderson the mother turning into flowers, in
• 34:16
  that horrifically, beautiful scene.
• 34:18
  There's money on the screen for that and we're full on into this
• 34:21
  notion of Doctor Who is fantasy as fairy tale.
• 34:24
  The Seventh Son of the Seventh, Son of the Seventh Son, and I'm
• 34:29
  not Convinced of this business about the war with the gods and
• 34:32
  this panty, I'm not sure it sits well with Doctor Who had seen
• 34:35
  like it's a rejection of what we'd had up until this point
• 34:39
  this this that Annie sufficiently Advanced science is
• 34:44
  indistinguishable from Magic. That's the point isn't the line
• 34:46
  that's cut from from Battlefield and you have that debate and In
• 34:49
  the demons as well. But it works here, I think
• 34:53
  because there's a kind of abject sense that this isn't real.
• 34:57
  This is a kind of parallel Doctor Who or a parallel to a
• 35:01
  parallel of Doctor Who and obviously, I mean, I haven't
• 35:03
  watched One Division because I've got no time for the Marvel
• 35:06
  whatsoever. I can Marvel since about,
• 35:08
  perhaps America, the Winter Soldier, which was then ripped
• 35:11
  off by. And Respect.
• 35:14
  But I can see that it's intersecting with that, and it's
• 35:17
  intersecting with Pleasant Villas in it, about that film
• 35:21
  with Tobey Maguire and, and fabulous Reese Witherspoon,
• 35:25
  which again, the film, I don't have any time for and you can
• 35:26
  see that's in lakhs as well. Of course, David's part will
• 35:29
  probably because he he's view of the 1950s.
• 35:33
  At the start of the season is essentially America and there
• 35:36
  are reasons why he's had to go there.
• 35:37
  Where is here? It's a kind of a fancy vision of
• 35:39
  Britain in the mid-fifties. The issue though is the he
• 35:44
  hasn't quite gone far. Enough in this Goulding and
• 35:48
  twisting of the political, right?
• 35:52
  Because the logic dictated that what you needed in wish world
• 35:57
  and the first half of the reality war was for shooting Gap
• 36:01
  while to be Whiting up. Because that's the logic.
• 36:06
  This will never gonna do that but they could have done, they
• 36:10
  could have done. If everything was collapsing
• 36:12
  around, you imagine the reactions have been amazing and
• 36:17
  it would have prompted everyone to go.
• 36:18
  Well why can't we black up? You've missed the point.
• 36:20
  Can you imagine the scene in the reality War when you take the
• 36:24
  suit off? And how well, he wears that suit
• 36:26
  and he puts the skirt, or the killer, because he's ambiguous,
• 36:29
  but he can imagine the effect of the white paint.
• 36:34
  Flaking away and shooting Gap while they're there.
• 36:37
  The black doctor there because, of course, the point is made,
• 36:39
  isn't it in my black skin? Isn't that the line from the
• 36:42
  story in the engine is the doctor as black man, rather than
• 36:46
  the doctor being played by a black man.
• 36:48
  And that's really what goes with them, but it's not coming, they
• 36:51
  going for, is it? It's sexuality, but these color.
• 36:54
  They really do mean colored Davis's picked that up because
• 36:57
  the one thing they can't admit to being he's racist.
• 37:00
  They'll kind of not in wink that they're homophobic, they'll kind
• 37:03
  of not on winked at their misogynists.
• 37:05
  And so what you get here is Conrad, who, of course, you
• 37:09
  know, he's a good-looking man and so he's persuasive, and he's
• 37:12
  this kind of he's big brother but he's, he's a big brother.
• 37:16
  He's this comforting figure telling stories.
• 37:19
  Look at how the front cover of the book.
• 37:22
  He's reading is mocked up to look.
• 37:23
  Absolutely like a Harry Potter book because of course, rolling
• 37:27
  is getting it here as well. And so, it can use what's going
• 37:30
  on here in terms of of narrative and competing narrative is a lot
• 37:34
  of sophisticated material here about storytelling and the
• 37:37
  stories we tell each other and the stories we tell of each
• 37:39
  other. Joe I think I'm when you were
• 37:42
  right when you responding to I think I'm Blue Sky.
• 37:45
  You said that Belinda running on.
• 37:47
  The woods and screaming was unearned.
• 37:49
  We've heard already on this call tonight and of course it is.
• 37:53
  Because yeah, the character hasn't been there long enough,
• 37:56
  but of course it's a wide screen.
• 37:58
  It's a scream of women, realizing what?
• 38:01
  It's like to be in the 1950s, but all so what it's like for
• 38:05
  people to realize that when men want to put them back into the
• 38:08
  1950s is a sense in, which is both the 50s, but a fancy belt.
• 38:11
  What now should look like for these people.
• 38:14
  And so the thing you have to be quite a sophisticated viewer
• 38:18
  though in order to realize that but surely David he can do that.
• 38:23
  I mean, he must know at this point, things have gone
• 38:25
  catastrophically wrong. He's gonna have to rewrite that
• 38:29
  second half of that. Actually, I think he gets away,
• 38:31
  but I mean I heard bits from you and you could track things from
• 38:35
  it and you and then looking back and of course, you can see the
• 38:38
  child's much older in the second half of the second episode.
• 38:40
  So you can see where they've had to do the, the, the rewrites
• 38:43
  and, and the reaches. But I much prefer what we get,
• 38:47
  the idea of the doctor sacrifice himself for a single child, I
• 38:51
  take the caveat that there's something very odd going on
• 38:53
  here. That Belinda then gets this
• 38:55
  life. That's not hers, that her life
• 38:58
  is Rewritten. Well which is a Topless you see
• 39:01
  in Doctor Who before but I think in this time it weird that
• 39:05
  they've done it, but it's better than the idea that they're out
• 39:09
  of a party and then Caroline Ford won and he lets go because
• 39:15
  I don't know where you'd go with that at all.
• 39:17
  I mean, oh, she was gonna be on the ball.
• 39:20
  On the balcony with poppy going classy. like, As as this kind of
• 39:26
  desiccated, corpse being spat out, like something that an owl
• 39:29
  was smack out, then, eats the right, that's a brilliant moment
• 39:33
  when it eats the Ronnie because it cuts to the chase, the Ronnie
• 39:37
  has to remove therefore will either or it's the weaker Army
• 39:40
  of the two. Yes I think any jobs as much
• 39:42
  much better as the Ronnie. I think it's a neat adoption
• 39:46
  even doing this year the best thing last year at the end of
• 39:52
  the season that she gives direct to camera is marvelous, he
• 39:55
  probably the best thing that mafia's written since there was
• 39:59
  a Christmas. Was it the Christmas special
• 40:00
  know? It wasn't no end of Empire of
• 40:02
  that. But yeah, I mean Omega.
• 40:08
  I'm David. You said didn't you online
• 40:10
  today? You know, the first time versus
• 40:11
  The Last Time Lord. But in a sense it's not really.
• 40:14
  Oh my God. And and, you know, homies
• 40:17
  already been ruined once by a doctor who production teeming
• 40:19
  with infinity. So why not go the fully?
• 40:22
  The line is there? It's not.
• 40:23
  Oh my God, it's the corrupted version from the underverse.
• 40:26
  It's like, it goes fully to where I was meant to be, which
• 40:30
  is only his meant to be Satan, from Milton's Paradise Lost, but
• 40:34
  he spent eternity in these underverse, and, of course, he's
• 40:37
  gone mad. It's kind of because the series
• 40:40
  is playing with Notions of Legends and myths and stories.
• 40:42
  It's kind of a version of when the myth comes Legend.
• 40:46
  Print the legend, which he find in who, Man, Who Shot Liberty
• 40:50
  Valance, but it's gone beyond the legend.
• 40:52
  It's been a legend for so long. It's become corrupted and it's
• 40:54
  just kind of weird Skeleton thing and and I think, you know,
• 40:58
  Davis the kind of gone beyond Narrative of this point things
• 41:01
  are happening. You've got 2T as do, you can't
• 41:06
  go beyond that narrative. You have to tell a narrative.
• 41:09
  It's television narrative, is there?
• 41:11
  This thing's come back, it's eating Iranian the doctrine to
• 41:14
  defeat. But the main, how is the
• 41:16
  underverse, the main point of it is, of course, it's Conrad.
• 41:21
  That's the most important thing. This figure who's been
• 41:24
  corrupted, the weird stuff about his mother, his online
• 41:28
  existence, the fact that he's kind of easier in, so, could you
• 41:32
  be in? So he's too good looking.
• 41:33
  So listen, he can't imagine he home playing video games and
• 41:36
  abusing women online, but that's, yeah, but it's that
• 41:43
  still moment where Ruby won't shoot him and tells him, she
• 41:46
  wants him to be happy. It's about the reform, the world
• 41:51
  around him. It's Batshit crazy, but I love
• 41:54
  it to bits. I just wish they'd gone.
• 41:56
  The full logic which was to White up.
• 41:58
  You go. I, I love that you've explained
• 42:03
  the 50s thing Paul because one of my one thing that had me
• 42:08
  scratching my head at the time was Conrad's not from the 50s it
• 42:14
  Can't have featured massively in his childhood.
• 42:18
  Why is the world that he's wished into creation, rooted in
• 42:23
  the 50s and giving quite compelling explanation?
• 42:25
  Because in my mind Conrad wants to go back to a kind of world of
• 42:30
  probably about 1989 or 1990, probably wants to go back to a
• 42:35
  world before, you know, new labor Mass immigration, he wants
• 42:40
  to go back. So the wide, isn't it?
• 42:42
  Like that? What did he look like the
• 42:44
  happiness Patrol with money? Essentially with, you know, the
• 42:47
  Ronnie is the new Helena and it's all of their kind of
• 42:51
  Thatcher. Like, because that feels more
• 42:53
  true to Conrad's character. And I think your explanation
• 42:56
  makes sense politically, I'm still not 100% that Conrad would
• 43:00
  be thinking of 1955 in His Wish world, as the ideal time to be
• 43:06
  British, but it's a much more compelling reason than any
• 43:09
  other. I've heard the other guy I
• 43:11
  should do something else away to put, We've matched just said
• 43:15
  that they're May 24th as like the date when the world will end
• 43:19
  and it's made a. I looked up May 24th because it
• 43:22
  was the day was broadcast and took a terrible chance that this
• 43:26
  two significant things that happened on the 24th of May in
• 43:28
  history. One is it's the first Eurovision
• 43:30
  which of course tracks with it. The other thing is the day they
• 43:33
  enacted section 28 under the fat under Thatcher.
• 43:37
  And so of course, if we're looking at that, this is about
• 43:39
  objections to a gay man of color playing the doctor, then that's
• 43:44
  lands quite well. So I think it's both Thatcher
• 43:47
  and it's and it's the 1950s because it's an older type of
• 43:50
  right winger. And this new Young right winger
• 43:54
  who's emerged and I'll make in hay while the sunshine.
• 43:57
  Well, I'm not, I'm not making excuses for ignorance, but again
• 44:01
  I think 98% of your audience is not gonna realize the
• 44:07
  significance of those days. And I'm not saying I'm not
• 44:10
  saying you should punch under, but I think if you're making
• 44:13
  that point and maybe you should make that point, he makes the
• 44:16
  point though, doesn't this is homophobic world because when
• 44:19
  the doctor says you're in, you're a beautiful man is it and
• 44:22
  there's that horror and and and he has to The Mug breaks and
• 44:26
  this notion of a world where doubt It's found in and they
• 44:31
  come and take you away. It's such it's such because
• 44:34
  because the right deal with certainties, they can't cope
• 44:38
  with nuance. And so they're great conspiracy
• 44:41
  theories, but they also like Simplicity.
• 44:43
  And so that's running through this narrative as well.
• 44:45
  You get that here, just how easy it is for you to become an owned
• 44:51
  personally or a political on person and so it's interesting
• 44:54
  who doesn't exist here. If you've got any type of
• 44:59
  disability notably and Donna's daughter because Conrad couldn't
• 45:05
  imagine a world because you can't he can't accept the trans
• 45:07
  Community whatsoever. Therefore she doesn't exist and
• 45:10
  she can only come back in when reality reasserts itself I think
• 45:13
  it politically marvelous. And but you could see that, I
• 45:19
  don't know, you're going to get great conversions Conrad like
• 45:22
  conversions because of it. Well, I think it's really
• 45:25
  important thing for Davis to have done.
• 45:26
  I want, sorry because I was wanted to jump it but I'll let
• 45:31
  go. So, just talking about the, the
• 45:33
  sort of the 70s vs the 50s thing, as well, to be fair.
• 45:35
  I also, you know, like I spent on on healthy amount of time
• 45:38
  online like most people do. And I mean, you get all these
• 45:41
  young reformed types talking about the 1945, like, they were
• 45:44
  there. Like they fought on the beaches
• 45:45
  at all and big. So yeah.
• 45:48
  Just, you know, Pricks. The lot of them.
• 45:50
  Oh yeah. He gone.
• 46:00
  That I've only got one thing to say.
• 46:03
  Let comments comments. Oh, how in elegant?
• 46:11
  Oh, Mark Rollins. From two.
• 46:14
  Yeah, doing inside me actually, we get on with this.
• 46:21
  Here we go. Here is some comments everybody.
• 46:24
  Okay, and these are for the wish world and the reality War.
• 46:27
  I need to say that you do, okay? So first up, Jason Thompson.
• 46:32
  Oh dear. That's even without the
• 46:36
  emergency rewrite of the ending. The idea of the doctor having a
• 46:40
  child with the companion. I'll turn it reality or not
• 46:43
  should have been a huge know. I think why.
• 46:46
  Wow, have you seen it? Yeah, only because body as a
• 46:50
  gene bank, but the whole deal with him was that he didn't have
• 46:53
  a body Hello, three doctors, doesn't it?
• 46:56
  The doctor Sheetz in with a big gun yuck and then the ending
• 47:00
  rewrites bail into a happy mum which is somehow.
• 47:03
  Okay, even though the whole point of the previous episode
• 47:05
  was that this was a bad rewriting of reality.
• 47:08
  And finally, we have a desperate throw of the dice to stick
• 47:11
  something in as a cliffhanger, then Kieran Powell says, so
• 47:18
  inoffensive. All I can remember is a rip off
• 47:20
  of Wanda vision for 45 minutes and the Raleigh being gobbled
• 47:24
  up. Excuse me, coupled up.
• 47:26
  Oh, it being really funny. However, the scene was shooting
• 47:29
  Veranda at the end is beautiful and it wasn't until he was gone.
• 47:33
  That I realized how much I liked him as the doctor.
• 47:35
  Yeah, I agree. Jack coyote.
• 47:39
  Hey, babes class. All right.
• 47:43
  Jack Koya, says, one of the I'm still thinking Jack Koya, says,
• 47:48
  one for the history books and absolutely fascinating
• 47:51
  experience, that is very between Dreadful and intriguing, between
• 47:55
  each scene, John Arnold says, which world has a resting
• 47:58
  premise, gorgeous imagery and some genuinely cutting ideas
• 48:02
  about the right wing view of the world.
• 48:04
  The reality War though is obviously compromised by the
• 48:07
  emergency rewrites. Having to truncate the plant
• 48:10
  ongoing story as Time of the Doctor had to, I love the idea
• 48:13
  that the solution to everything is kindness Ruby's approach from
• 48:16
  Lucky Daye Saves the Day. In a way, the doctor's of
• 48:19
  Gresham wouldn't but Belinda's ending would ring Hollow for me.
• 48:23
  But for the wish World itself being a right wing idea of
• 48:26
  paradise, this ends up being an ending, she chooses herself and
• 48:29
  not the hubby and the two point four kids ideal.
• 48:32
  Albeit. The rewrite means it's not as
• 48:34
  well set up as it could be pulling Hicks.
• 48:37
  Says the finale felt like it. Had been a great story before
• 48:40
  his kicked against the wall by behind the scenes crisis.
• 48:43
  Michael storm. My Nemesis says, every fiber of
• 48:48
  my being a screams. This is objectively crap, but
• 48:51
  even if I have a fun side and despite many, many, many floors.
• 48:56
  I really enjoyed this. Oh, Michael.
• 48:58
  Even the protected protected epilogues saying, Fair World to
• 49:02
  shoot. He doesn't bother me in the same
• 49:03
  way as tenants Fair World Tour, dude.
• 49:05
  Keep Keep well, I'll keep it. Yeah, here.
• 49:09
  And ever says, first half as half a good idea, which it
• 49:13
  forgets about second. Half is barely coherent,
• 49:15
  character assassination against Belinda and the rewrites feels
• 49:19
  so jarring, ending with that clickbait ending and I think RTD
• 49:24
  might have done it ended. My interest in new Doctor Who.
• 49:27
  Oh, so sorry, the drama Karen Evans on the wish World.
• 49:34
  Good grief, Anthony Carroll. I'm not sure which one there's
• 49:37
  two which World felt like a highlight reel of the main beats
• 49:40
  of a Wanda Vision. Knockoff that is true.
• 49:43
  Actually everything felt super rough.
• 49:45
  So just to get to the next Revelation seen the reality War
• 49:48
  Jeezy peeps. Something cheesy peeps.
• 49:53
  I might start saying that the first time I was seeing an
• 49:56
  episode fall apart in real time. Belinda has literally put in a
• 49:59
  box, she hits and pacified to be a mother because someone has
• 50:03
  vague memories of it from an alt-right man's fantasy.
• 50:05
  Genuinely the worst ending, I think any companion has ever
• 50:09
  had. Oh Anthony, I mean, I saw for
• 50:12
  agree with a lot of these it's weird.
• 50:13
  Like there wasn't a script that it's a nobody looked over there
• 50:16
  but I don't know what anyway. Luke seems Jenkins says absolute
• 50:22
  shit. Oh, I liked the SeaTac finale.
• 50:27
  More only is wasted and looks awful.
• 50:29
  He's in the antimatter Universe. What's this underverse?
• 50:33
  Crap, not even Jody could save this.
• 50:35
  The ending is made just staying. Thank you.
• 50:38
  Are we call things stank nuggets?
• 50:42
  If we don't like me, it's poem, Daniel Knight.
• 50:45
  I'm sure he would have been better with the Ronnie had
• 50:48
  turned Earth into a Time manipulator.
• 50:51
  Does that mean? Oh, One.
• 50:53
  Yes. It should have been a sequel to
• 50:54
  time in the Ronnie but always say now I get it but RTD didn't.
• 50:58
  So we have characters acting out of character with absolutely no
• 51:01
  reason for us to Care. And as if the Ronnie isn't
• 51:04
  enough, he wants to bring Omega back.
• 51:06
  Reality War started off great, nice twist having a needle back.
• 51:10
  Awesome. But then we have lots of scenes
• 51:13
  of people standing in line talking, it becomes
• 51:14
  incomprehensible male scene with the Ronnie was horribly
• 51:17
  scripted. Oh no, I love that beer.
• 51:19
  The whole universe is just an experiment, because look crap,
• 51:25
  Archies, brownie, arbitrarily disposed of.
• 51:28
  Oh we lost this one. Did I lose him?
• 51:33
  A call says not to my taste at all the final Revelation that
• 51:38
  the timeline had been changed. So as far as I understood it,
• 51:42
  nothing we had watched the way we watched.
• 51:44
  It made me wonder why I'd bother watching point please contain so
• 51:52
  many Elements that I normally hate in Doctor Who, but somehow
• 51:56
  they work here, normally it sets up everything.
• 52:00
  For a great conclusion, I guess I can't blame this episode for
• 52:03
  what comes after it when you have a title like the reality
• 52:06
  War, I think you have to be prepared for them to put any old
• 52:08
  shit on the screen without feeling the need to explain it.
• 52:11
  And boy, they really do, and reducing over some shity CGI
• 52:15
  alas, sutekh. Why, just why?
• 52:19
  Daniel ruins, says part. One is an undercooked One
• 52:23
  Division riff, which is conceptually Daniel romsley says
• 52:28
  part one is an undercooked One Division Rift, which is
• 52:31
  conceptually fascinating, but essentially marking time until
• 52:34
  the seriously under Cliffhanger. There's a lot that could be
• 52:39
  going on here but isn't maybe RTD blow out finale is just
• 52:44
  sorry. Maybe I have, maybe maybe rcd
• 52:48
  blow out for not always just don't work for the streaming era
• 52:51
  anymore. Could you say oh today?
• 52:53
  Well, I know that is pretty much the shambles, which I
• 52:58
  nonetheless enjoyed on a. Chintzy splashy Flash Gordon
• 53:02
  level the two Ronnie joke is hilarious as his rtd's board
• 53:06
  contempt of Omega which is rivaled only by my own Belinda.
• 53:10
  Literally being put in a box is so egregious for the character.
• 53:13
  I laughed out loud. Best in Show are Jody and
• 53:16
  Millie. Yes, the latter proofing once
• 53:19
  again that she was an absolute winner of RTD too.
• 53:21
  Yes, the final note, please be kind to us Billie Piper fans.
• 53:24
  It's gonna be a rough few years. If you ask me shooting
• 53:28
  regenerated into Caroline, for now, that would have got people
• 53:31
  for game. Could you?
• 53:33
  Imagine she wouldn't know where she was like what he said?
• 53:43
  Hello. Hello.
• 53:45
  Are you there? Yes, man.
• 53:51
  Do you want to get next about the story?
• 53:55
  I think Paul. I really respected that.
• 54:02
  Strong defense of wish world and reality War.
• 54:06
  For me, it's undermined by the last 20 minutes where Belinda is
• 54:10
  comprehensively Stepford wife and becomes a surrogate for an
• 54:16
  imaginary child. That's been sort of magic into
• 54:20
  existence. and I felt like, I felt that ending for Belinda.
• 54:28
  Was fairly horrible. Actually.
• 54:31
  I didn't. I didn't think it was the
• 54:35
  destination that Seemed to be heading for three, the series.
• 54:41
  And I felt like for all of the progressive, you know?
• 54:48
  Political messaging of the rest of the story that fell quite
• 54:52
  reductive, like why couldn't the doctor just retire and raise a
• 54:56
  child? That might have been actually a
• 54:59
  more interesting way to put the series on hold for a period
• 55:02
  because he could have been on Hiatus for X years.
• 55:05
  Raising a kid. We've already done that though.
• 55:08
  I haven't, we have tenant, okay, oh no ideas.
• 55:17
  But, you know, I didn't like that and more broadly, I think.
• 55:22
  I kind of felt like it was an it didn't and the era or the series
• 55:30
  very satisfactorily for me. I fell like there were lots of
• 55:34
  ideas that came up through the early episode that kind of just
• 55:41
  Vanish in the story. Some of it like be production
• 55:44
  problems that we all know about but the general public did, I
• 55:50
  might have been a bit if they were paying that much attention.
• 55:53
  Like I've been scratching their heads a bit Ruby, kind of just
• 55:56
  vanishes from the story. I don't feel like Ruby gets a
• 56:00
  great ending for a sort of two series Arc out of this.
• 56:07
  I feel like Susan sort of A kiss of the changes just turns up and
• 56:14
  then vanishes I keep saying Caroline for distilling in the
• 56:18
  cinema saying to the US just no, no, my bit's gonna come up,
• 56:21
  there's like, come on, I love. It's been finished for like
• 56:26
  three months now, he promised me.
• 56:28
  I felt like there was lots of seeds through the series of the
• 56:35
  doctor becoming very vengeful like the way he treats Alan in
• 56:40
  the first episode. The way he speaks to Conrad at
• 56:44
  the end of Lucky Daye. The way he is with kid in the
• 56:48
  interstellar song contest episode.
• 56:51
  I thought you know the vengeful doctor is that going to go
• 56:54
  somewhere? No, the gods I thought might be
• 56:58
  going somewhere, is wish world is the reality War.
• 57:01
  Actually gonna smash back through in this hole slightly
• 57:04
  weird enough killed her. To God's universe is gonna be
• 57:07
  resolved somehow know. Omega.
• 57:11
  I get what Paul's saying, that's kind of like nope by generation.
• 57:15
  What? Why doesn't the doctor by
• 57:16
  generate at the end is that you only do it once?
• 57:19
  It's like no not we're going to reintroduce the idea of by
• 57:22
  generation but then no not going to do anything with it Mal kind
• 57:27
  of stands about. I feel like he be.
• 57:29
  Sorry. Surely is just sort of their
• 57:32
  boss, you got I think though. Remember, you know, you and me,
• 57:35
  did the commentary on the Army? One of our all-time favorites.
• 57:38
  Did you not get proper time on their own?
• 57:40
  If I was, but she was carried, was it the whole year?
• 57:43
  It's an experiment to her. And Melanie we meet again.
• 58:04
  I thought you'd be dead. I thought there's no way that
• 58:08
  painted doll of a princess could ever survive.
• 58:10
  I never thought about you. Oh, you thought of me every
• 58:14
  night Ronnie. The time was slaughtered.
• 58:17
  How did you survive? I saw it coming the genetic
• 58:20
  explosion flipped my DNA made a biological science, step
• 58:25
  survived How did you get to Earth?
• 58:29
  I have the only Targets in existence.
• 58:38
  Time ring. Poor baby, it led me to you
• 58:41
  although that wasn't difficult. Find a stupid blunder and there
• 58:48
  you are, excuse me, I am so. Teeth putting out with you and
• 58:53
  your 57 months. I've never met you in my life.
• 59:01
  All right. Boobs darling, Mrs. Flood.
• 59:04
  That's my neighbor. That's my neighbor.
• 59:07
  Bully. We buy generate it.
• 59:09
  I actually, so, I'm saying all the things I didn't like, I just
• 59:13
  did. I didn't think it was But for
• 59:15
  any of the main characters or for the ongoing stories have
• 59:20
  been introduced over the last two years, I didn't feel like it
• 59:23
  was a satisfactory wrapping up and I felt like there were more
• 59:27
  interesting and different things that you could have done.
• 59:29
  Even If he had to reshoot the last 20 minutes at short notice
• 59:34
  the things I did like that. I loved I mean I love both of
• 59:37
  the Ronnie's particularly the Anita Dobson Ronnie but I
• 59:41
  thought they were both huge funded a bit of life.
• 59:45
  I love Mel saying we meet again or something like that.
• 59:49
  With a new poem, were they trying to make your hair match
• 59:54
  time in the Ronnie? I've been put Paul might have
• 59:56
  liked it. The other one he could have like
• 59:58
  white it up and put on a closest Mal in The Wishful.
• 1:00:03
  Whilst we're white and up in this episode.
• 1:00:05
  Why not? I thought the skeleton stuff, I
• 1:00:09
  didn't get it, but I thought it visually, it looked really good.
• 1:00:13
  Maybe that was a bit of Disney money on screen.
• 1:00:15
  I love. Jodi turning up.
• 1:00:18
  There's a lovely moment for Jodi.
• 1:00:21
  I love the daring, the theatric trout, and I don't like it line
• 1:00:24
  for that was great. Loved the clip from dimensions.
• 1:00:27
  In time, I just in general, I love This area, it's all Canon.
• 1:00:31
  I love like, Richie Grant, the shower is canonical.
• 1:00:35
  Dimensions, in time as canonical.
• 1:00:37
  I love bringing it all in. Happy cat alive.
• 1:00:40
  The strange. It's only my time before.
• 1:00:43
  There's a clip of a naked calling baby.
• 1:00:46
  Hug it up, so, feel good. Okay, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Sorry, I thought I'm Rogue. It's not me.
• 1:00:55
  It's she video was quite music. So Where is the Disney money for
• 1:01:02
  Fox? I was just filmed, just just in
• 1:01:06
  a break between liked songs. You can see him in the
• 1:01:10
  confidential we went. I have no idea why I'm saying
• 1:01:12
  these lights. Yeah, we could tell me um, but
• 1:01:18
  overall, my big problem with it was I didn't think it was a
• 1:01:25
  Satisfactory ending. And I kind of felt like In the
• 1:01:31
  end. I wasn't particularly excited by
• 1:01:36
  the last reveal I wasn't. I don't necessarily think I know
• 1:01:43
  why they did it because she probably didn't want to be
• 1:01:45
  lumbered with being the incumbent doctor like Silvestre
• 1:01:48
  Queen 1989 so they probably had to do.
• 1:01:51
  Something to sort of release in and make sure everyone knew they
• 1:01:55
  wasn't going to be hanging around forever waiting for
• 1:01:57
  Disney but I just found like sorry.
• 1:02:02
  We went off into the bushes with Belinda to be on it.
• 1:02:07
  Have a scream. I would.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah well I mean I think at the top on the day there was all
• 1:02:14
  that talk about it and then when people started realizing their
• 1:02:17
  work getting any kind of an explanation from anybody, I'm
• 1:02:20
  probably not for a long time that decision to put Billie
• 1:02:24
  Piper there as Now, sort of gone down like a cup of cold sick.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah. but what we'll see, maybe she'll be back in a Christmas
• 1:02:32
  special in 26 part series next year, but I kind of I quite I
• 1:02:36
  kind of feel like It was. It, you could see the working,
• 1:02:43
  you could kind of see the joins I think.
• 1:02:46
  Particularly if you like us, you were looking for that.
• 1:02:48
  Maybe. If you'd come to it cold you
• 1:02:50
  would have noticed less. But even then I think you look
• 1:02:54
  at the ending and go start really where the series was
• 1:02:57
  headed. I feel early as well.
• 1:03:00
  So we talked about like some some viewing figures which, you
• 1:03:03
  know, his doctor if friends favorite pastime.
• 1:03:05
  Um, but I feel like consistency is quite key reviewers and going
• 1:03:09
  from two Jody series to a third series.
• 1:03:13
  That's not quite a full series. Then with some specials, just
• 1:03:16
  three David attendance specials, then to us, regular, but short
• 1:03:20
  series. Then to a year later with
• 1:03:21
  another regular series, but then to another returning, classic
• 1:03:25
  character, as the doctor, when now, we don't know what's going
• 1:03:28
  to happen, we might have to wait another three years or something
• 1:03:29
  to happen. If anything happened at all.
• 1:03:31
  It's not how you keep an audience around for a TV.
• 1:03:33
  Show us a direction, doesn't he? Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Like I think most people just want consistent, okay, Doctor
• 1:03:39
  Who every year, and they'd be quite happy and it just feels a
• 1:03:41
  bit messy, doesn't it? Um, anyway, so I will stop
• 1:03:45
  jumping in my everything, everyone's just so interesting.
• 1:03:47
  I have like so many things to, to say why you're apologized
• 1:03:51
  about it, I'll just do it all the time, but you've got a,
• 1:03:54
  you've got a, I was gonna say confidence Swagger I just mean
• 1:03:56
  loudness to carry it off. Was was that was, was that a
• 1:04:02
  keyboard or a big man? I'm afraid, I am gonna condemn
• 1:04:07
  this one. And I assume I didn't know I
• 1:04:09
  didn't ask for but I should probably that was a passionate
• 1:04:12
  argument for keeping the story. Absolutely.
• 1:04:13
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:04:16
  David which world around you and Holy Trinity of the oh just an
• 1:04:23
  Unholy mess. I was quite proud of that.
• 1:04:26
  Paul touched on the One Division thing and I did sit through one
• 1:04:28
  division and is, is really overrated.
• 1:04:32
  I didn't mind it. Michael.
• 1:04:40
  Oh, sorry. And I think it's not just the
• 1:04:45
  kind of aesthetic of it that he's going for.
• 1:04:47
  It's also on the themes of wandavision, is the children,
• 1:04:50
  the children who don't exist, they're the product of a spell
• 1:04:53
  and the desperation to keep them real Um unfortunately as a piece
• 1:05:00
  of television, as a piece of drama, you hand a director of
• 1:05:03
  script with this wish World in it.
• 1:05:06
  And the opportunity to go, you can do something with this.
• 1:05:10
  You can, you know we'll talk about 50 aesthetic.
• 1:05:14
  And it just shoots it like a normal Doctor Who episode, in
• 1:05:17
  fact, actually shoots it, like a fairly static, fairly Bland
• 1:05:19
  fairly over-lit Doctor, Who episode, you know, where's the,
• 1:05:23
  you know, could have gone Technicolor, they could have
• 1:05:24
  done, you know, 50s sitcom. They could have done all these
• 1:05:28
  different things. You've got Noir all these
• 1:05:30
  different ideas that director could have done.
• 1:05:32
  But instead you get these really oddly framed overly shots.
• 1:05:36
  Somebody did point out saying there's a lot of shots in this
• 1:05:40
  series where they've clearly been framed so that they can be
• 1:05:42
  turned into tiktok videos. There's loads of Michels when
• 1:05:46
  you start looking for them they're everywhere once it was
• 1:05:49
  pointed out I kept saying them and there's just some really
• 1:05:54
  Things that if you handed directors who was really
• 1:05:57
  Innovative and creative you hand something like the doctors been
• 1:06:00
  trapped in this wish and he's going to come out of it and he's
• 1:06:02
  going to make a dramatic entrance, he's gonna change
• 1:06:04
  after the suit, is going to be in his killed in his outfit.
• 1:06:08
  And it's framed and shot in the most boring way possible.
• 1:06:13
  He just basically walks in the room, I I always hate going
• 1:06:18
  well, this this is what I would do, but when we talked about our
• 1:06:21
  thinking, like the problem is so much of its now not framed
• 1:06:24
  around the character or the drama that moment of Belinda
• 1:06:27
  running into the woods. For me is flat because it's shot
• 1:06:29
  from a mile away with a drone. There's no emotion on on valid
• 1:06:34
  to say his face. You don't see her reaction to
• 1:06:36
  it. It's saying though, right?
• 1:06:38
  It's it's the penultimate Cliffhanger to a season that's
• 1:06:41
  been set in that world. Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Where she suddenly realizes and she has a moment of existential
• 1:06:46
  Horizon, and she goes out and screams, and then it would hit
• 1:06:50
  we've spent two fucking scenes with her.
• 1:06:52
  In this world. I said, even if you wanted to do
• 1:06:54
  it in that context, I was like, get to go into a side room, have
• 1:06:57
  like her mum and her Nan still be there and have a tight Killed
• 1:07:03
  at angle close-up of her screaming into like a tea towel
• 1:07:06
  or something that baby does a bit of symbolization of
• 1:07:08
  Oppression. And see that the passion on
• 1:07:11
  valid. As I say through his face, not a
• 1:07:12
  drone shot from a fucking mile away.
• 1:07:14
  So you can't see. I hate sorry.
• 1:07:16
  I hate what it was CGI earlier. I did a realize.
• 1:07:19
  It was a location. It looks so fake.
• 1:07:21
  You look at you think she's screaming.
• 1:07:24
  She's in the wish world. Was it gonna be like in reality
• 1:07:26
  with a wish baby? Not a job.
• 1:07:29
  She's got paid the taxes more attention.
• 1:07:34
  She has a very nice house, you know, so it's going to someone's
• 1:07:39
  gone quite right there. But yeah, I just found the
• 1:07:41
  direction through You do your hand is a gift of potentially
• 1:07:45
  doing something interesting. and the directors does nothing with
• 1:07:48
  it all the scenes in the bone Palace are just really flat, a
• 1:07:53
  really quite dull, the acting's, lifting it, but The dialogue a
• 1:08:00
  times. Yeah, I mean, there's there was
• 1:08:02
  a joke with this isn't just Exposition, it's like 90% of
• 1:08:07
  wish world is just Exposition. Oh, it's me the 24th tomorrow.
• 1:08:11
  Well, this is what happened and isn't Conrad.
• 1:08:13
  It's like, what Russell can do. Good naturalistic dialogue ever
• 1:08:18
  in that. Not, you know, I guess it's the
• 1:08:20
  wish world's meant to be forced, but it's that thing of I'm gonna
• 1:08:24
  cook. There's an example earlier, in
• 1:08:25
  the season of when something's deliberately Meant To Be Still
• 1:08:27
  to them bad. but it just comes across a, stilted and bad and
• 1:08:31
  some of the dialysis atrocious. I get probably saying about
• 1:08:36
  Umaga but the fact is if you tease Umaga and even Russell
• 1:08:40
  said, it's saying, well why would we have a man in a cloak
• 1:08:42
  when we got the two brownies? It's going?
• 1:08:43
  Well why did you write them in in the first place?
• 1:08:46
  But also like going, well, I'm gonna write all my Grim.
• 1:08:49
  But you know what? I'm gonna take the potential of
• 1:08:52
  what. Oh, my God is first at the time
• 1:08:53
  Lords versus last of the time Lords, oh my gosh is a tragic
• 1:08:56
  figure, sympathetic figure. You don't distal engineer who
• 1:08:59
  got cast out, who only You know, in three doctors he just wants
• 1:09:03
  to live. He just wants to survive for a
• 1:09:05
  right like Rossell. There's so much in there to give
• 1:09:07
  character and development to big beast.
• 1:09:12
  You know, expectations in the worst possible way because it's
• 1:09:16
  just gonna fuck off the fans. Yeah, I just got a fuk off the
• 1:09:19
  general audience because that's a really ship it.
• 1:09:21
  I think, I think so, it's like, lose loose in that.
• 1:09:23
  It's like, what moffatt did, which is I'm gonna, I'm gonna
• 1:09:27
  wind the fans up with expectation.
• 1:09:30
  And then I'm gonna just say, fuck off.
• 1:09:31
  I'm going to do my own thing and I think that gets tiring after a
• 1:09:37
  while. Okay, the meant to care about
• 1:09:40
  poppy Were Meant to care that this is this safe in this child.
• 1:09:43
  Why I didn't care. I don't know why.
• 1:09:46
  I always supposed to care about Poppy.
• 1:09:48
  I need an answer because there's been nothing set up to make us.
• 1:09:52
  Give a shit about it. I can answer that.
• 1:09:55
  I can answer that Russell wrote In The Script.
• 1:09:57
  The audience will care about Poppy.
• 1:10:00
  It was like space babies was a meteoric Triumph where everyone
• 1:10:03
  went. Oh I can't wait to see The
• 1:10:05
  Return of Poppy. But if now I've not I'm not well
• 1:10:09
  what the original plan was. But if the original plan was
• 1:10:12
  that this was going to be the doctor and Ruby child and the
• 1:10:15
  effect of the wish that she made in space babies.
• 1:10:18
  She actually says in space babies.
• 1:10:20
  I wish we were your mom and dad. Absolutely, that would have
• 1:10:23
  landed better. That would have had maybe a
• 1:10:25
  little bit more emotional resonance.
• 1:10:28
  David Ruby holding the baby at the end, makes perfect sense and
• 1:10:33
  away. She spent the whole first
• 1:10:39
  season, what to find out about her real parents and it feel it
• 1:10:45
  would feel emotionally true to that character in way.
• 1:10:48
  I just feel like it doesn't feel true at all.
• 1:10:51
  No, and she remembers Both Worlds because of what happened
• 1:10:56
  to three yards. So when it's about making that
• 1:10:58
  choice between the pre wish and the post wish world, she is, she
• 1:11:02
  would be making an informed Choice there.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah. And you know, I remember the
• 1:11:06
  world before, and also the being abandoned by my mother and all
• 1:11:10
  of that, Just all tie up this and the problems, this is
• 1:11:14
  already a compromise script, and then you get to the tact on the
• 1:11:17
  reshot ending. So you have a doubly compromised
• 1:11:19
  script. So, you've already got further
• 1:11:21
  and further away from what the original intention was and it
• 1:11:24
  just falls apart and I do feel sorry for Russell because you've
• 1:11:28
  got whatever the situation is. Basically you're presented with
• 1:11:32
  its choices. Don't feel sorry for him.
• 1:11:35
  Oh most, so she's leaving. Susie has to leave and he has to
• 1:11:40
  be seen to be leaving. So you can't, oh, you can't have
• 1:11:42
  a semester before walking off ending because clearly he wants
• 1:11:46
  out, he has to be written out. Right.
• 1:11:47
  Fine. So you can't do an open-ended
• 1:11:49
  like that. Do you do in open-ended
• 1:11:52
  regeneration? Well, that's potentially just
• 1:11:55
  gonna be like, Everyone who says the shows ended, that's just
• 1:11:59
  gonna be a gift to them. So you need to do something and
• 1:12:02
  it's like, what do you do? Well, can we have the doctor
• 1:12:04
  disappearing or whatever? The doctor actually dead or not?
• 1:12:06
  Just again, marks the end of the series.
• 1:12:09
  So you have to leave it on something.
• 1:12:13
  Not sure whether you pick the right thing to end it on but I
• 1:12:17
  think and it only occurred to me today, you know, basically
• 1:12:20
  you've got to feel 25 minutes of Doctor Who screen time. you have
• 1:12:24
  nothing but your your already contracted regulars and
• 1:12:27
  semi-regular you have standing sets and you have to make it
• 1:12:30
  work and it's like that was the Mind robber and the mind robber
• 1:12:34
  did some visually interesting, if it filled out those 25
• 1:12:38
  minutes really imaginatively, where 20 minutes before, someone
• 1:12:40
  comes incorrect me, Here. It's yeah, I'm caught watch.
• 1:12:44
  There's Dr. Sitting with Belinda, you know, the stories
• 1:12:47
  ended and they're just having a chat about Poppy and who's the
• 1:12:50
  far and I was like, how long is this?
• 1:12:52
  Got left? Seven minutes. was like, Say
• 1:12:57
  what more is there to happen? It's just speech is and go and
• 1:13:01
  King so much. Ruby gets a short trip.
• 1:13:06
  Massively. I mean nothing she does in the
• 1:13:09
  first half apart from turning up at the start to kind of start
• 1:13:11
  the doctors doubts. You could cut ruby out of that
• 1:13:13
  first half the whole stuff. Yes.
• 1:13:15
  You know the bit with the, the commute disabled Community but
• 1:13:18
  then they go off to take down, got no, that's that, that's
• 1:13:21
  hideous. I mean that's we never got to
• 1:13:25
  see the world's disabled Union. Try and take down God.
• 1:13:29
  I mean, it just gets reset by part two, so none of that.
• 1:13:32
  None of that mattered. I was blaming bloody tracks on a
• 1:13:36
  wheelchair. What are you doing?
• 1:13:37
  I'm surprised not more people have commented on how it is.
• 1:13:42
  That joke is, right? And you could absolutely do
• 1:13:45
  positive disabled representation without flame tracks on the
• 1:13:50
  wheelchair. Look into the best for him, but
• 1:13:52
  it's, but the other thing as well.
• 1:13:55
  So bear in mind, Ruby is the doctor's best.
• 1:13:59
  Disgust his pal in the whole world and we love each other.
• 1:14:01
  So much. How long do you think they're
• 1:14:02
  reunion is on screen? How long when they're Lexing
• 1:14:04
  each other? It's 13.
• 1:14:06
  Seconds before he sees. No, surely come in.
• 1:14:09
  I Was a Race of that. All right.
• 1:14:12
  They were not but it was that classic thing when you're out
• 1:14:16
  like a work do you just took somebody and you couldn't see
• 1:14:19
  somebody else? You'd probably go to speak to
• 1:14:20
  him off. He's like more of a third wheel
• 1:14:23
  that that's hardest with those two, their poor and each other.
• 1:14:26
  And I thought, oh hello, I'm here.
• 1:14:29
  You had a baby And then, Ruby just gone.
• 1:14:33
  You know. Even though she actually is
• 1:14:36
  quite instrumental in ending one of the plots because obviously
• 1:14:38
  in all the rewrites it's like oh yeah Ruby has to be the one who
• 1:14:41
  deals with Conrad but we give her actually a couple of really
• 1:14:43
  easy. It's just It's a bit of a bin
• 1:14:47
  fire really and the more we want when we watched it first going
• 1:14:50
  out, my husband, Justin to me and said this is shit.
• 1:14:52
  He's oh there's the Casual audience.
• 1:14:56
  You know, and it's just like, he's like stuff is happening.
• 1:15:00
  And, of course, you know, the doctor and his big gun. because,
• 1:15:03
  you know, the doctor says, I need a weapon and they've just
• 1:15:06
  thought there's never been a Line that just isn't this
• 1:15:09
  aesthetic of what this year has meant to be like changed the
• 1:15:12
  Sonic Screwdriver, so it didn't look like a gum and then they
• 1:15:15
  gave him the biggest fucking gun.
• 1:15:17
  He could possibly have in his last story to kill something.
• 1:15:19
  He basically shoots Omaha in the head repeatedly when I ride, I
• 1:15:24
  didn't it would be intentions of this era. but, Jody was a
• 1:15:28
  highlight I think I cheered when she came on screen.
• 1:15:30
  I thought you know in two three minutes it was like yeah.
• 1:15:36
  It was, it was great that moment and yeah I find she's just
• 1:15:40
  performance at times. It's sufferable he clearly the
• 1:15:43
  doctor's written to fancy himself.
• 1:15:44
  I think that's just shooting himself.
• 1:15:46
  So the number of times in this season where he's basically just
• 1:15:49
  looking at his reflection going God, I'm gorgeous and it's like,
• 1:15:52
  and then she says like Yes, I'm so maybe I should just keep this
• 1:15:58
  one out if it's just a sense of pity. because you, the final
• 1:16:04
  episode of Doctor, Who Are you going to?
• 1:16:08
  know, of course I'm gonna be, ah, I'm not mad.
• 1:16:16
  Art lines about the doctor loving himself, Davis, Stoney
• 1:16:19
  indicates Davis are becoming infatuated who she got.
• 1:16:21
  Oh, he's absolutely. Absolutely an elephant, but it
• 1:16:25
  wouldn't be a Russell episode if there wasn't somebody, he
• 1:16:29
  clearly fancies in it because he fancied Mcavoy was much like,
• 1:16:33
  oh, sorry, did I say that? I think I do quite enjoy though
• 1:16:39
  that everyone who turns up who has not seen the doing
• 1:16:42
  carnations of the doctor yet. Does not like.
• 1:16:44
  Hello, right. Yeah, the dogs.
• 1:16:45
  Okay. First things first fucking hell.
• 1:16:47
  Wow. Hello.
• 1:16:49
  You're cool. Just right.
• 1:16:50
  Get out the way. It was a good reoccurring joke
• 1:16:53
  for me even even Jody's like four.
• 1:16:55
  I do. I do like a bit of carry on
• 1:16:57
  Doctor Who Yeah, Joe. Hello, Joe Ford was reality.
• 1:17:05
  Oh, I had the best time in the world watching the reality war,
• 1:17:10
  in the cinema packed. Cinnabar Leicester, Square.
• 1:17:13
  Loads of people that bone dinosaurs coming through units,
• 1:17:17
  turned into Marvel people. You know, Belinda shoved in a
• 1:17:22
  Cupboard. I was all going on and everyone
• 1:17:25
  was having the best time. Jodie Whittaker, turns up the
• 1:17:27
  whole Cinema erupted. Woo, and I thought I left it
• 1:17:31
  going my God, what? A banger, that was amazing.
• 1:17:33
  And then I started thinking about it.
• 1:17:35
  The second I left the cinema. I hated it from that point on I
• 1:17:39
  was like, yeah, no, that's all what annoyed me more about this.
• 1:17:43
  Two part was the first half because the one thing you can
• 1:17:45
  guarantee from Rusty. Davis is a banger of a
• 1:17:48
  penultimate episode. Yeah.
• 1:17:49
  Stuff like the stove and Earth stuff like oh God, what's the
• 1:17:53
  first half of the season? Three one sounded drums.
• 1:17:56
  You know Army a ghost the one thing Rusty Davis can do can
• 1:17:59
  build up to an apocalyptic Cliffhanger, you know and get
• 1:18:03
  you as get the whole country as excited as you could possibly
• 1:18:06
  be. Yay.
• 1:18:07
  He didn't do that. He did it legendary brilliantly.
• 1:18:11
  I Built up to that amazing reveal of sutex.
• 1:18:13
  Loads of atmosphere scares. What happens here?
• 1:18:16
  You've got shoes. He got War playing, the doctor,
• 1:18:18
  not the doctor, it's suffering. An internment ball amount of
• 1:18:22
  exposition from and Archie. Panjabi Ronnie.
• 1:18:26
  Yeah. Not even as the doctor.
• 1:18:28
  So they can't even talk to each other as to characters because
• 1:18:30
  he doesn't understand a word. She's saying.
• 1:18:32
  Yeah, and then he goes out on the balcony.
• 1:18:34
  She just goes, well, that's enough for you.
• 1:18:36
  And then he's falling down and goes, oh my God Susan.
• 1:18:40
  And puppies. My child.
• 1:18:41
  What is going on? It was the worst Cliffhanger of
• 1:18:45
  news. I'm sorry.
• 1:18:46
  I have no clue what is happening.
• 1:18:47
  I have no reason to be invested in any of this.
• 1:18:51
  He loves One Division. That's very very clear yeah but
• 1:18:54
  Wonder Vision took place over a season with all of those visual
• 1:18:58
  quirks. You said David this didn't have
• 1:19:00
  yeah it mimicked the style of all of those different comedies
• 1:19:04
  brilliantly. They staged it brilliantly here.
• 1:19:07
  They just went. Oh yeah, 1950s.
• 1:19:09
  We'll do a bit of that because that's quite stylish.
• 1:19:11
  That'll look pretty on the screen.
• 1:19:12
  We'll do a bit of Desperate Housewives.
• 1:19:15
  It just didn't work for me at all wish world and I love
• 1:19:17
  Archie. Panjabi Ronnie.
• 1:19:19
  I think she's great fun dialogue.
• 1:19:21
  She had to shout down on was just abysmal.
• 1:19:24
  It was worse in the second episode where she beams into
• 1:19:28
  unit, and she's just about and out of SF.
• 1:19:31
  Exposition whilst every person in that room gets a single line
• 1:19:35
  and that's their contribution to the first half of the episode.
• 1:19:39
  Just terrible. Um, Belinda.
• 1:19:43
  Yeah, I think the peak we get into Blender at the end of this
• 1:19:46
  episode is pretty obscene but I also think you see an
• 1:19:50
  alternative version of the Season that would have been a
• 1:19:52
  lot better and that is Belinda as a single mum from the off and
• 1:19:56
  trying to get home to her daughter and that would have
• 1:19:58
  been a brilliant motive for her to try and get home instead of
• 1:20:01
  oh I just want to go back to that miserable.
• 1:20:03
  Share house I live in and my boring career because it got so
• 1:20:08
  tedious in the middle of the season.
• 1:20:09
  When we just opened every episode with her go in, you just
• 1:20:12
  got me but he doesn't moment. Don't forget her mum and dad
• 1:20:17
  because she mentions her mom and dad so much.
• 1:20:20
  He was going to be in that last seen, her dad was gonna sing in
• 1:20:26
  that last thing. They bring it up so many times.
• 1:20:28
  It's check-ups and Dad. It's like you keep mentioning it
• 1:20:30
  so much. You think it's gonna mean
• 1:20:31
  something and Below team, you what's like, worse than team you
• 1:20:36
  for online shopping. You wish.
• 1:20:42
  Belinda's like the little woods Teagan, isn't she just can't get
• 1:20:46
  me home? Get me home every week.
• 1:20:47
  Just terrible character. I reckon that with Augustus
• 1:20:52
  pond. Here.
• 1:20:57
  No, but yeah. And I understand why even people
• 1:21:00
  that really liked her character at the start of the season for
• 1:21:03
  that something just gotten terribly terribly wrong.
• 1:21:06
  With her Omega, what the fuck? Like what the fuck was that?
• 1:21:12
  Who was supposed to be satisfied with that?
• 1:21:13
  And he Dobson getting away like you gotta chose one of them to
• 1:21:19
  die. Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Shove the Dobson in that thing's Gob and let Archie get away
• 1:21:23
  because she's the camper. She was great fun and fucking
• 1:21:27
  Poppy. I know, I just keep saying, who
• 1:21:29
  cares about poppy, who cares about poppy?
• 1:21:32
  Why? What Possible.
• 1:21:35
  Reason have we been given in this age?
• 1:21:37
  And no one loved his Facebook. No one likes space baby.
• 1:21:42
  Except me. I didn't laugh poppy, but like
• 1:21:45
  you've got a episode this year to somehow try and make us care
• 1:21:48
  about poppy. Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  So just saying you have to care about Street in Cardiff.
• 1:21:54
  What the hell. And so some turned up in space
• 1:21:57
  for some reason. Oh, very odd about that third
• 1:22:01
  season would have gone down if it was gonna be the policies,
• 1:22:03
  and yeah. Yeah, just kind of ghastly on
• 1:22:06
  every level. You know you will read out a
• 1:22:09
  load of comments later, Elliot where people sort of Illustrated
• 1:22:12
  far better than I can but it's just a mess, a real mess.
• 1:22:17
  Bin. But what it's for what it's
• 1:22:21
  worth. Paul.
• 1:22:23
  Not that matters, but you're very compassionate defensive
• 1:22:27
  wish world did actually change my opinion.
• 1:22:30
  Oh, um, because I don't say, yeah, not saying, 100% agree
• 1:22:34
  with everything, but I wish world for me when we had to lump
• 1:22:38
  these together, which world was the the lame duck dragging.
• 1:22:43
  The reality will down for me. I don't think everything is
• 1:22:46
  perfect in the reality War, but which was the one where I
• 1:22:49
  thought it's kind of all come out of the blue.
• 1:22:51
  I think, I'm the only person in the world who was not incense
• 1:22:54
  with Archie Panjabi as the Ronnie.
• 1:22:56
  Well she's brilliant. I I just don't give I maybe it's
• 1:23:01
  because I I just loved Anita Dobson again, maybe I'm in the
• 1:23:05
  minority with that, but I love to read all of series one and
• 1:23:08
  I've loved it. All of series to she for me is
• 1:23:10
  high camp Perfection and I would rather have her just turned out
• 1:23:13
  to be the Ronnie. Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  So much right every episode. He was like, oh she is and then
• 1:23:20
  we watched like, he died. He was like, thank God.
• 1:23:22
  We've had a whole episode about fucking a dog, some turning out
• 1:23:25
  there, she was Jenkins at the end, I love her, but see we we
• 1:23:30
  both were very similar next, the woods that I like it because she
• 1:23:32
  just reminded me of like, every sort of woman of a certain age
• 1:23:35
  I've ever known in my life and it bought me immense amounts of
• 1:23:38
  Joy. Oh, but yeah, I thought like
• 1:23:41
  some of it says, use of the 50s aesthetic, just kind of didn't
• 1:23:46
  land for me because it seemed uninterested in investigating
• 1:23:50
  that and I kind of agreed. All right.
• 1:23:51
  I don't think it goes far enough in what it's trying to think,
• 1:23:54
  you know. When you're dealing with racism
• 1:23:58
  and misogyny and homophobia is topics, it's not really a time
• 1:24:01
  to be merely mouth. But I really, really enjoyed the
• 1:24:09
  reality War up until maybe it's the last 25 minutes.
• 1:24:11
  There are a moments of the reality War.
• 1:24:14
  I think what? They were sticking a relatively
• 1:24:16
  wonky Landing. I think it's it's quite
• 1:24:20
  thrilling the doctor and I'm not too ashamed of business the
• 1:24:24
  doctor flying on that stupid. Wishbone speeder over the Thames
• 1:24:28
  with with with what I think is one of the best themes for the,
• 1:24:31
  for the doctor ever. But to to screen, genuinely was
• 1:24:34
  so Like impactful for me. It gave me goosebumps.
• 1:24:39
  I was this feels like doctor who feels like fun.
• 1:24:43
  This feels exciting, What I Hear Flash Gordon know over that.
• 1:24:47
  That's why it's so so Terry nation and be giving a big
• 1:24:52
  thumbs up on that. like, And I loved I loved the scene in unit
• 1:24:59
  Tower. I know you just gave a bit of a
• 1:25:01
  kicking. I thought it was the first time
• 1:25:02
  that I enjoyed the entry Punjab is Ronnie like her dialogue.
• 1:25:06
  Was ridiculous, Mel? Yes, treating her, like she's
• 1:25:09
  some kind of threat as if time of the Ronnie isn't the
• 1:25:11
  stupidest thing on the planet was great.
• 1:25:13
  Um, what do you mean? It's the most stupidest thing on
• 1:25:17
  the planet? It's I love with they bring you
• 1:25:19
  but everyone's like they should bring back the wrong and I'm
• 1:25:21
  like, do we do? Remember the last time we saw
• 1:25:22
  the Ron? Yes, hi drama.
• 1:25:25
  And I I love Anita Dobson's intro in that scene when Ruby is
• 1:25:31
  like, well, I don't know you the wrong and then she just comes in
• 1:25:33
  from stage, right? Going, I like Darlene, it's me.
• 1:25:37
  I I adore all of that kind of stuff.
• 1:25:41
  Um, I think some of the directions in which world is a
• 1:25:44
  little bar. I think some of the stuff in the
• 1:25:46
  reality was very strong actually that moment where the doctor's
• 1:25:49
  Gliding Over. London has one of my one of my
• 1:25:52
  favorite moments potentially from the last kind of couple of
• 1:25:55
  series, which is when he's gliding.
• 1:25:57
  And they do a hard cut to Belinda standing alone in that
• 1:26:00
  box where there's no sound, there's no joy.
• 1:26:03
  She's just holding, but I don't necessarily like what it
• 1:26:06
  represents, but I think just as a start creative decision, that
• 1:26:09
  was incredible. Um, but yeah, I we just, we know
• 1:26:14
  too much. It feels like the kind of half
• 1:26:17
  left over Ruby Sunday story where everything is geared
• 1:26:19
  around her and it's wonky. I don't even have a problem with
• 1:26:25
  Belinda having a child. I think it's the robbing.
• 1:26:29
  It's the changing of the timeline to rob her of that
• 1:26:31
  decision to raise a child that makes it feel worse than it is
• 1:26:36
  vaguely more regressive. So on because she gives a sense,
• 1:26:41
  but it really feels like she hasn't given can say go out of
• 1:26:45
  their way to remove her giving that consent.
• 1:26:48
  But I think there are a smattering of really fantastic
• 1:26:50
  moments. When Belinda and the doctor
• 1:26:52
  folding, the blanket up back and forth to each other as getting
• 1:26:55
  increasingly smaller. Until it disappears is.
• 1:26:58
  Yeah, some of the most interesting things to show has
• 1:27:00
  done for a long time. What's great?
• 1:27:02
  But wasn't your buck clenching, we've just how unaware they
• 1:27:05
  were. That Ruby was in that room.
• 1:27:06
  Oh, it's very weird and even that person I was like, you
• 1:27:10
  can't like she's just there and I love Ruby Sunday but I don't
• 1:27:16
  like series one as much. I think as you like Ruby's, I
• 1:27:21
  don't know. There's something about her
• 1:27:22
  personality, Millie Gibson, just as a performer, where I really
• 1:27:25
  laughed onto a performance. So anytime she was underused in
• 1:27:29
  this series, I did feel very aggrieved by it because I I've
• 1:27:31
  come to Really Love Ruby. Don't you think she gets the
• 1:27:34
  best? Same to this though.
• 1:27:36
  The singing unit where she is defiantly saying.
• 1:27:39
  She said, I don't really acting in those things Gemma, regret
• 1:27:41
  certainly isn't know. She's she's doing the best is
• 1:27:44
  more things. Like, I don't like when when, as
• 1:27:47
  they were kind of wrapping it up at the end and the doctors like
• 1:27:49
  right come Ruby. I'll drop you home.
• 1:27:51
  I'm like, she's meant to be again.
• 1:27:53
  She's meant to be your best friend, you know.
• 1:27:56
  Like the way you do with an ex. Yeah, so Yeah, God.
• 1:27:59
  Yeah, right. I'll drop you back and to Go.
• 1:28:05
  Yeah. Fuck you.
• 1:28:08
  I'm all for it. I the only other thing that I, I
• 1:28:12
  not gonna change anybody's opinion on this, I'm aware, but
• 1:28:14
  it's actually, I don't have too much for a problem with the
• 1:28:18
  Omega thing and I'll tell you what, just watch the free
• 1:28:22
  doctors, let's say one because he's again, a villain of
• 1:28:25
  reputation rather than actual quality.
• 1:28:27
  When you watch the stories, I think that's a problem with
• 1:28:30
  bringing back. A lot of classic villains.
• 1:28:32
  Like the rawney like I make people go.
• 1:28:34
  Oh yeah, I've heard of them and then you watch them and the
• 1:28:37
  quality of the stories don't actually match up to the quality
• 1:28:40
  of the possibility of the villain.
• 1:28:41
  And of course, this series should then Make them more than
• 1:28:45
  the sum of their parts and they don't for me.
• 1:28:48
  It was attempting to do a Trope that I enjoy.
• 1:28:51
  I'm calling it the Raiders of the Lost Ark Trope, which is the
• 1:28:54
  villains plan. To resurrect a bigger villain
• 1:28:58
  something they don't understand, but they think will help them
• 1:29:02
  because their villainous and they're all.
• 1:29:03
  So villainous. It's gonna help them dominate
• 1:29:05
  the world and they open this big gallery and seal the lead of the
• 1:29:10
  Ark of the Covenant, if you will, and she just gets fucking
• 1:29:13
  eaten by this terrifying thing that she can't comprehend and
• 1:29:17
  it's done. So, and I like that moment.
• 1:29:19
  I don't like the designer the designer of a maker personally,
• 1:29:22
  but The intention behind that of, yeah.
• 1:29:26
  I'm gonna resurrect a bigger and omegas gonna love me and we're
• 1:29:29
  gonna control the entire of reality.
• 1:29:31
  Oh, shit. Actually though it's it's just,
• 1:29:34
  it's just a disgusting monster. That's eaten me.
• 1:29:36
  I think that's on the Omega 10 out in advance.
• 1:29:40
  Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness.
• 1:29:42
  In his blue frog. Where is the gold mask?
• 1:29:46
  Wait to be surprised. He said he liked the canary,
• 1:29:49
  going down the mine. Go on.
• 1:29:51
  Just just say, you me, just say you me.
• 1:29:55
  And it's like, who, who's voice singing, him whose voice in?
• 1:29:58
  Oh, my God, played a big finish CD?
• 1:30:00
  Hey, of course, I could only take the doctor shooting him in
• 1:30:07
  the head with the big guns to be a reference for the end of our
• 1:30:10
  Infinity, where the doctor chases, a mega down on foot to a
• 1:30:13
  barge and then just shoots in point blank on the deck of a
• 1:30:16
  boat. But yeah, I for what it's for,
• 1:30:20
  what it's worth. All of its kind of trying to
• 1:30:22
  make something out of nothing for its kind of Camp highlights
• 1:30:24
  for me. Um and again Paul's very
• 1:30:28
  passionate defense of Wishbone. I personally would would put
• 1:30:32
  this through but it's yeah, it doesn't matter because the three
• 1:30:37
  of you have condemned it to death.
• 1:30:39
  So yeah, give it all first. That's a long-term black doctor.
• 1:30:45
  Let's say, midterm, it's not short term, we're sort somewhere
• 1:30:48
  in the middle, just an enormous space machine gun to mow down
• 1:30:53
  somebody in his last episode. It's a choice over.
• 1:30:57
  There are some, there are some choices.
• 1:30:58
  Are we talked briefly about Shirley and said the wheelchair,
• 1:31:02
  with the, with the tire tracks? And I mean the only thing I I
• 1:31:05
  didn't mind that so much. I'm more kind of disliked how
• 1:31:08
  wonky the effects looks on it. I think we had some people
• 1:31:10
  contact us afterwards to say that they were more aggrieved.
• 1:31:16
  By I think it might be Shirley's friend informing Ruby that she
• 1:31:20
  doesn't look to say disabled as if disability has a look to it.
• 1:31:24
  That was certainly a choice of dialogue that was paid to that
• 1:31:27
  story. I think that was that again just
• 1:31:29
  one of the little missteps that I think is appearance in this
• 1:31:33
  series in terms of what you made a special effects person that
• 1:31:35
  you were talking to on the episode got in touch and wait
• 1:31:37
  you aren't grateful sold. All right we worked really hard
• 1:31:41
  on that episode. Oh well.
• 1:31:43
  I mean, well, you can listen to it.
• 1:31:45
  We've had to censor all of the juicy stuff, but there was, I
• 1:31:48
  learned, we learned some juicy juices, anytime she puts
• 1:31:54
  anything juicy out into love without thinking about, as you
• 1:31:56
  get to call from someone who's to works at bad wolf.
• 1:31:57
  So okay. Yeah, no, I'm no one doesn't
• 1:32:00
  anymore. Yeah, but that's also something.
• 1:32:04
  So sorry. I don't want to go on.
• 1:32:05
  I don't want to go on so long. I want to make this brief, but
• 1:32:08
  something that I have appreciated throughout the
• 1:32:10
  entire of the series that there have been moments that have
• 1:32:12
  affected me emotionally, because it felt like a series that was
• 1:32:17
  acknowledging that it was coming to an end.
• 1:32:19
  There are moments that feel very like, wow, this is getting ready
• 1:32:22
  to say. We're not coming back, at least
• 1:32:25
  for very long time. I know there's war between the
• 1:32:27
  land and the sea but you're not going to get serious Doctor Who
• 1:32:29
  for a while and that's why I feel most disappointed with that
• 1:32:33
  ending because it's actually baiting into the next era where
• 1:32:36
  there are some moments in some other episodes.
• 1:32:37
  Where I think the shows very consciously saying, You ain't,
• 1:32:41
  you ain't seen me again, for a little while, right, gets his
• 1:32:46
  leg cut off. Hey, sort of bleeding to death
• 1:32:48
  in the sale, very slowly. I was feeling emotional because
• 1:32:51
  the series was a bit like that, you know, so Olympic along with
• 1:32:54
  half a leg. It's on life support.
• 1:32:57
  Yeah. Well, yeah, that's so that's
• 1:33:01
  that's an hour and a half in. We've covered one story.
• 1:33:04
  Well done, shouts. It was the, it was the Hefty two
• 1:33:08
  part for Dahlia. I think we could we could be
• 1:33:10
  forgiven and it's been condemned as well as the which wasn't
• 1:33:14
  really going to war with reality and reality one.
• 1:33:18
  Matt, would you like to pick a story to condemn or indeed to
• 1:33:22
  Champion if you're feeling nice? I am gonna go hopefully to a
• 1:33:29
  different extreme. I am going to go for Love's The.
• 1:33:37
  Fun. Animated.
• 1:33:42
  Camp Extravaganza, um, which has massive overtones of races and
• 1:33:46
  1950s Americana in it. And I think looks.
• 1:33:54
  Which was the kind of second main episode of the series was
• 1:33:58
  where I sat up and took. Notice because I kind of He
• 1:34:04
  candidly, I hated both space babies and the devil's chord.
• 1:34:07
  I thought that was that, that strangled this era of birth for
• 1:34:10
  me, that, that kind of opening night in 2024 and we'll talk
• 1:34:17
  about the robot Revolution, we get to it, but locks really did
• 1:34:20
  get me to set up and take notice, I think, I think this is
• 1:34:23
  one way you actually can see the Disney money.
• 1:34:26
  I think if, if you want to see an episode where you go, where
• 1:34:29
  is the Disney money looks? I don't think, I don't think you
• 1:34:33
  would have been able to do this. Any other point in the, in the
• 1:34:37
  modern run, I think it's got my favorite Catwoman, which is when
• 1:34:44
  he speaking to think the name, Renee they the basically the
• 1:34:49
  mother of one of the missing kids from the cinema and he kind
• 1:34:54
  of engages with her in the diner and kind of sits across the
• 1:34:58
  table from her and makes a promise to her that he's gonna
• 1:35:02
  take. Seriously and investigate
• 1:35:04
  seriously, what's happened to her her son?
• 1:35:07
  And I think that was a that moment of gravity and Doctrine
• 1:35:11
  Us in between all the kind of high kicking and stuff like
• 1:35:15
  that, that for me, is where I really connected with shooting
• 1:35:20
  his portrayal. I like that it didn't shy away
• 1:35:23
  from racism. So it is playing in the same
• 1:35:26
  kind of historical period as Rosa from the, from the first
• 1:35:31
  Jodi series and it equally doesn't shy away from the
• 1:35:36
  racism. The fact that the doctor and
• 1:35:40
  Berlin cannot enter the cinema at normal time.
• 1:35:45
  They can't, they can't enjoy this Society in the same way as
• 1:35:48
  the White characters. I think it's not belabored, but
• 1:35:52
  the point is very, very clear. And the point is obviously very
• 1:35:55
  clear towards the end in the fantasy moment where the mother
• 1:36:01
  comes back and it looks like she's betrayed the doctor and
• 1:36:05
  Belinda Baker's of her own inherent racism.
• 1:36:10
  I thought Mr. Ringer ding was great.
• 1:36:13
  I love that. Don't make me laugh,
• 1:36:15
  catchphrase. I thought that was kind of
• 1:36:18
  sinister and creepy in a in a really good way in a kind of way
• 1:36:22
  that they've got with the celestial toy maker, but they
• 1:36:24
  haven't really got with anything the other gods that played with.
• 1:36:28
  It felt. To Me overall it felt most
• 1:36:32
  similar to one of the RTD ones. Stories.
• 1:36:35
  It felt like you could have, if you had the money, you could
• 1:36:38
  have done this with Chris Eccleston and Billie Piper way
• 1:36:41
  back in 2005. It had that vibe to me of the
• 1:36:46
  doctor being a serious. Kind of getting down to the
• 1:36:51
  investigation and wanting to find out what's going on and fix
• 1:36:57
  it. And I also felt it's quite funny
• 1:37:00
  when Russell was working out his frustration out blink.
• 1:37:03
  Um, I thought there was a bit of catharsis in that.
• 1:37:08
  Stuff. It was not perfect.
• 1:37:10
  I think there are a few things that don't quite work.
• 1:37:14
  I thought the ending was a little bit weak with Locs just
• 1:37:18
  turning into like Starlight and I thought the fan dimensioned
• 1:37:22
  thing was a bear. I thought I thought it was fun
• 1:37:26
  at the time but the fact that it kind of never Got returned to
• 1:37:31
  and it was just a warm-up thing. I was a bit like that was gonna
• 1:37:36
  be more significant. But even, even that kind of
• 1:37:40
  slightly, hmm, ending felt a bit RTD series 1 as well.
• 1:37:45
  So I kind of appreciated that and I just I just in general I
• 1:37:51
  felt like the political points landed better than in the in the
• 1:37:55
  robot Revolution episode. Where I don't I think Russell
• 1:37:59
  talked a lot about in sales and coercive control and toxic
• 1:38:05
  masculinity in the, in the first episode without necessarily
• 1:38:09
  fully leaning into that theme. Whereas I think this one
• 1:38:13
  embraced its politics much more successful. so, this one
• 1:38:20
  Definitely did make me laugh and I would heartily Champion it.
• 1:38:30
  Right. So let's do the comments for
• 1:38:31
  Lux. Then Danielle Noyes sets felt
• 1:38:34
  like a breath of fresh air and very inventive.
• 1:38:36
  Until the momentum was killed Stone dead.
• 1:38:38
  By the scene with the free fans. All of whom were totally
• 1:38:41
  unrealistic as they actually seem to like Dr. Who outrageous
• 1:38:45
  though? Made me laugh.
• 1:38:47
  Oh, that's from well done. Daniel Alan Cumming.
• 1:38:50
  Excuse me and Learners roach. Both great though.
• 1:38:54
  Daniel ruins says Lux or the Devils called, two electric, a
• 1:39:00
  Boogaloo, Miss Belinda boring. It's a good deal.
• 1:39:03
  More spark in fun. This time around writing a
• 1:39:07
  promising, check the rest of series. 15 can't cash and turn a
• 1:39:11
  phrase spooky. When it wants to be all though,
• 1:39:14
  how much of it is Russell commenting, or boring from the
• 1:39:16
  past, is Up For Debate. I thought the phrase missed
• 1:39:20
  Belinda boring as well here in Evans.
• 1:39:22
  Some nice creepy moments. I don't like the four four fan
• 1:39:25
  meets seeing. It just doesn't work for me.
• 1:39:27
  Good ending, Colin Hicks. Was a whole clutch of great
• 1:39:32
  ideas Hammer together. That somehow managed to work.
• 1:39:34
  Jason Thompson, a highlight and a decent example of Everyone.
• 1:39:38
  Likes this one then and a decent.
• 1:39:40
  You like this one, didn't you? Yeah.
• 1:39:41
  And this idea of pushing the meta as far as it can go without
• 1:39:44
  breaking the show. Of course the fans seems was
• 1:39:46
  going to be divisive but I took it as a bit of good natured fun
• 1:39:49
  and enjoyed the episode thoroughly keep Jack clear.
• 1:39:52
  It's a fun time at the movies and Mr. Ring a ding is
• 1:39:56
  fantastic. Visual effect and performance
• 1:39:58
  but it repeats The Narrative beats of other historicals a
• 1:40:01
  little too closely. And I think the more casual
• 1:40:03
  approach to the attitudes of the past are a step backwards from
• 1:40:06
  the examples in series 11. Our world On Track Pro
• 1:40:10
  Chipmunks, lovely, Paul, press up, potentially so good, but the
• 1:40:12
  meta part took me right out the narrative at best.
• 1:40:15
  It was patronizing to fans here at worst.
• 1:40:18
  It was insulting, I'm really not sure what they were going for
• 1:40:21
  there. I'm all for the doctor breaking,
• 1:40:23
  the fourth wall, but not him smashing out an archway.
• 1:40:26
  Michael storm finally back on form.
• 1:40:29
  This is fun engaging and the dialogue Sparkles, Mr. Ringing
• 1:40:33
  is fabulous and his resolution is great.
• 1:40:35
  However, the fans seen is fucking cringe Christ.
• 1:40:39
  I am Mr. Grumpy today, but it is a win for me.
• 1:40:43
  Fucking cringe, Karen Powell Doctor Who plans out of the TV
• 1:40:47
  and talks to fans about Doctor, Who the concepts I've been
• 1:40:50
  waiting for for years, I was smiling ear-to-ear, all week.
• 1:40:54
  Oh, you're easily pleased, Karen pal.
• 1:40:56
  Also, Mister ring. A ding and macmull thing was
• 1:41:00
  superbly. Animated the Disney money?
• 1:41:02
  We found it, Dylan Rosalie happy, John Arnold says so high
• 1:41:08
  on confidence and Novelty episode sold by Alan Cumming,
• 1:41:11
  and some terrific CBI. Love the scene with the fans and
• 1:41:15
  the gag in the credits themselves but whoever heard of
• 1:41:17
  three who fans in a room together agreeing on something.
• 1:41:20
  Wow quiet! We can't even do it and we're
• 1:41:23
  too fats. And Luke Simpsons finally says,
• 1:41:26
  just the Devils called remix but I love it.
• 1:41:29
  Alan Cumming should come back more often.
• 1:41:37
  So for, we'll go back to Paul for your thoughts on locks.
• 1:41:43
  I actually disliked Luxe There's a striking moment where the
• 1:41:53
  doctrine Belinda, I think I've recalled correctly, as I was
• 1:41:56
  watching it last week, but I was kind of only half watching it
• 1:41:58
  where they're framed in an empty film cell.
• 1:42:03
  It's just a white background and it's nothing and it's kind of a
• 1:42:07
  mega commentary on the episode. There's nothing here.
• 1:42:12
  Matt's write about the use of racism and it's of course, it's
• 1:42:17
  part of this discourse around racism and this fantasy of the
• 1:42:20
  1950s. I've already referred to for two
• 1:42:24
  Great Links. I'll be I'll be brief here.
• 1:42:26
  The problem is that he said it in America in 1952 and racism in
• 1:42:30
  America. In the 50s is different to
• 1:42:31
  racism in this country. And I think that's partly
• 1:42:34
  because he's got one eye on Disney, but also because he
• 1:42:37
  wants the glamour of Hollywood in the 1950s.
• 1:42:43
  So the kind of the golden age of the musical.
• 1:42:45
  If you set it here, he'd have to do something around and eating
• 1:42:49
  comedy, which would probably be more interested in, I think if
• 1:42:52
  he'd set it in like the Lady Killers.
• 1:42:54
  But he can't do that because he lacks color it lacks.
• 1:42:56
  But, of course, the American racism is codified, its illegal
• 1:43:00
  system, it's a legal system that would prevent the doctor and
• 1:43:03
  Belinda from going into that Cinema.
• 1:43:05
  In this country, it's more subtle.
• 1:43:07
  Where you get legal moves, its later, we're kind of the, the,
• 1:43:11
  the, the British citizenship act that labor bringing in 68 in
• 1:43:15
  response to Powell. Whereas, in America's proper
• 1:43:18
  code of is that it's that Century long period that it
• 1:43:21
  takes from emancipation. To, actually, the Great Society
• 1:43:26
  of Lyndon Johnson 100 year period of Jim Crow laws, and
• 1:43:30
  kind of Quasi legal reinforcement, of slavery, at
• 1:43:35
  least second class, citizenship. And, of course, it's
• 1:43:37
  interesting. He sets in 52 because of course,
• 1:43:39
  it's before Brown versus education.
• 1:43:42
  And I think 54, when you get mixing of schools, and it's
• 1:43:46
  certainly before and the busing and the campaign, by the NWA CP
• 1:43:52
  with Rosa Parks, he's already well involved with this kind of
• 1:43:55
  politics and even before the bossing incident.
• 1:43:58
  So I, it was curious to do it. It was kind of obvious, I think
• 1:44:02
  we've been more interested to be done something in the 1950s, but
• 1:44:04
  they would Run the risk of ending up looking like the
• 1:44:08
  idiots Landing, which is another show.
• 1:44:10
  I don't like I think if you look to create Hamas in the pit with
• 1:44:15
  the race riots there that's a more interested in portrayal of
• 1:44:18
  racism in Britain and the 19th. So there's attention there
• 1:44:21
  between what he wants to do and what he needs to do.
• 1:44:25
  Um, the business with the fans is just it's horrible, isn't it?
• 1:44:28
  It's meaningless. The music wants you to be really
• 1:44:31
  moved by. I think the music is from the
• 1:44:32
  end of The Big Bang which does move me.
• 1:44:36
  I will freely, I can feel a tear every time I walked into the big
• 1:44:39
  bang when the doctor turns itself into the story.
• 1:44:41
  But here, it's just kind of Ledden.
• 1:44:45
  And it's it's just there throwing up in one scene, we
• 1:44:48
  can't build up a relationship with these people.
• 1:44:50
  They just names and cliches, it's just It's nothing so been
• 1:44:55
  it. Interestingly, you can in the
• 1:44:57
  book, which is a brilliant novelization.
• 1:45:00
  The love's not like where he has the those characters turn up.
• 1:45:04
  I think it's five times throughout the book and you get
• 1:45:08
  to know those people. You get invested in them so that
• 1:45:11
  scene where he comes out of the Telly really strikes in the
• 1:45:14
  book. But, you know, that would be of
• 1:45:17
  James Goss, wrote the episode. And he didn't David.
• 1:45:22
  Well, I've cracked open a beer because I need to drink to get
• 1:45:27
  through locks me, it's boring. Nothing happens.
• 1:45:34
  So basically so okay I'll try and keep this but never has
• 1:45:39
  there been a story with wasted potential so are we pretending
• 1:45:42
  that we've heard the comments? Absolutely.
• 1:45:46
  Well, I've been dropped in already so lots of people not
• 1:45:50
  lots of people, Mr. Ring, a ding is amazing.
• 1:45:55
  What does he do? It comes out from indica.
• 1:45:58
  And he just stands there. And he then expose its, and he
• 1:46:02
  keeps saying his catchphrase and it's like clearly we've got the
• 1:46:05
  money to put him in. Can you do anything now, I can't
• 1:46:07
  do anything. We can't afford to make him,
• 1:46:08
  move or do anything like that? And it's like, oh wow.
• 1:46:12
  Look we put animation in live action.
• 1:46:13
  It's like that's been done in cinema for about 100 years and
• 1:46:17
  come on. That is a technical Masterpiece
• 1:46:21
  that is so expensive to do to this quality to the quality.
• 1:46:26
  Yes. But do they Should be do
• 1:46:28
  anything with it. Interact with him.
• 1:46:30
  Does he do anything, Cartoon, it pop and coming under what the
• 1:46:34
  Three. I mean back and forth.
• 1:46:39
  Yes. So we get a taste of a Mr.
• 1:46:42
  Ringing cartoon from the 30s because it's on the 30s because
• 1:46:45
  that's what the copyright date is.
• 1:46:46
  And you giving Russell TV the opportunity to create his own.
• 1:46:50
  1930s cartoon character, you go and watch any of the the MGM,
• 1:46:54
  the Luna Tunes, the Warner Bros, Walt Disney cartoon shorts.
• 1:46:58
  That sort of period. They are a narcotic they're full
• 1:47:01
  of character. They're full of Danger.
• 1:47:03
  They're biting they're cutting they can be satirical and
• 1:47:05
  everything. What does Mr?
• 1:47:06
  Ringing ringing. Do, he's having a bit of a walk
• 1:47:09
  and he stops and he talks to someone and he says his capture
• 1:47:11
  is a few times. you've got, so you could have done something
• 1:47:15
  really interesting with this short, but you don't, So and
• 1:47:20
  it's not technically perfect but there is a film from 1945 where
• 1:47:25
  Gene Kelly does a downstream with Jerry the mouse.
• 1:47:27
  Now it's not technically perfect but he's doing an entire dance
• 1:47:31
  routine with an animated Mouse 80 years ago and they do they
• 1:47:36
  cameras, move moving all this sort of stuff you've got this
• 1:47:39
  ambition and pushing it and it's like, but we're gonna put a
• 1:47:43
  cartoon character Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
• 1:47:44
  Look at all the stuff they could do with their.
• 1:47:46
  Yes, they've got money, that's Cinema money.
• 1:47:48
  They got movie budgets or whatever but it's like he just
• 1:47:52
  stands there and then you get the whole you're on a bound to
• 1:47:58
  tell me your weakness. Oh good, so it's basically.
• 1:48:02
  Now we got Sonic Screwdriver to open doors.
• 1:48:04
  Got paper to get through things and now the gods have to tell
• 1:48:07
  you their plans because they're on about it's just Thin and just
• 1:48:13
  brushing, you did love this very much.
• 1:48:15
  Oh, I did a list of when I was watching them as I was trying to
• 1:48:19
  rank them. This was bottom.
• 1:48:20
  This was the, this this is the worst of the Season.
• 1:48:24
  As far as I'm, you know, the fact that when it's not long,
• 1:48:27
  after this went out and I'm going to say this about another
• 1:48:29
  story as well. You know, you've got the
• 1:48:31
  production team when they were like, we're going to cut the war
• 1:48:34
  games down because it's so overly padded.
• 1:48:35
  And yeah, like you've got at least two episodes in this
• 1:48:38
  season, which are padded to buggery, and this is one of the
• 1:48:41
  and then the fans Rustica, You talk about, you know, going
• 1:48:47
  further in reality. Warm wishwell, could have gone
• 1:48:50
  much harder with the fans. He could have really gone to
• 1:48:53
  town with kind of making a comment on fans and fandom and
• 1:48:56
  everything like that. But it's almost like he's
• 1:48:57
  holding back because I don't want to, I can't be too
• 1:49:01
  critical. I don't know.
• 1:49:02
  He could have he could have been really.
• 1:49:04
  Properly biting and satirical and he could have done something
• 1:49:07
  interesting. There he does.
• 1:49:08
  It's it's just now, now bid it Bit it, burn it burn it like the
• 1:49:16
  film, the cinema. I genuinely I don't often hate.
• 1:49:21
  Two episodes. But I think this one is the
• 1:49:23
  closest. I got to hating something, I
• 1:49:26
  just it boring. You know that bit where Belinda
• 1:49:30
  sort of is burning the film, if that's supposed to be some meta
• 1:49:34
  commentary on those episodes. Ian Levine didn't say back in
• 1:49:38
  there. No, that's What's going to be
• 1:49:40
  more? Thought okay.
• 1:49:45
  He can cause a mass. We don't know but David
• 1:49:49
  chemicals. Can I jump in next Belinda?
• 1:49:53
  Destroyed the last known copies of Arco Polo, but yes, sorry,
• 1:49:55
  go, I just like her even more and now I'm gonna get told why I
• 1:49:59
  wrong. No, I really hate the same with
• 1:50:03
  the fans, really, for a lot of reasons.
• 1:50:05
  One is because I know every single one of those fans and all
• 1:50:08
  of them not the plague, they're so annoyed.
• 1:50:10
  They're so accurate as well. All of them, and they always
• 1:50:13
  turn up at these bloody conventions and things and, oh,
• 1:50:15
  clock around you. They were all.
• 1:50:17
  So we got it all, but I just don't want, I don't want to hang
• 1:50:20
  out with him in real life. So I don't want to hang out with
• 1:50:22
  them when I'm watching Doctor Who but also it cuts the pace of
• 1:50:26
  the episode as well. Like it's chugging along quite
• 1:50:28
  nicely and then you have a five-minute see where we just
• 1:50:31
  sit in someone's living room and for no reason whatsoever,
• 1:50:34
  because Belinda could perfect. He's like perfectly competent,
• 1:50:37
  intelligent woman, who can figure out.
• 1:50:38
  Oh, you know what about that film?
• 1:50:40
  He'll be gone, you don't need some, bloody Doctor Who fans
• 1:50:42
  telling you that. Doctor Who fan should not be
• 1:50:46
  right in the episode for God's sakes but apart from that I
• 1:50:50
  pretty much love everything else about this.
• 1:50:51
  I do think it's a technical Masterpiece, I think it's
• 1:50:54
  refreshingly linear this episode after Empire a deaf.
• 1:50:58
  That was going to a million times zones and realities Joy to
• 1:51:02
  the World. What the fuck was happening?
• 1:51:03
  There? We Were Here There and
• 1:51:04
  Everywhere in that one and let's not talk about Rebel Revolution
• 1:51:07
  yet until we have to this was just a nice simple mystery,
• 1:51:11
  those people have gone missing the doctor is going to go in and
• 1:51:14
  try and figure out what's going on.
• 1:51:16
  There's the monster. We'll stop the monster the end
• 1:51:18
  it's fine. Traditional Doctor Who but done
• 1:51:21
  to this stand this production standard.
• 1:51:24
  Yeah, this is cinematically good.
• 1:51:26
  This production and the scenes where he is turned into a
• 1:51:31
  blender turned into animation and you don't the joke doesn't
• 1:51:35
  land? Because he goes, oh God, we got
• 1:51:37
  a reveal, our feeling's, you know, in a really obvious way.
• 1:51:40
  And then we'll become CGI while unfortunately, that happens in
• 1:51:42
  every Rusty, David script. So that really Ladd Far, I
• 1:51:46
  appreciate what they're doing, technically, you know, turning
• 1:51:49
  them into your figures. In the book goes goes one step
• 1:51:53
  further because he wants to he the books full of pictures, that
• 1:51:56
  whole middle section is all pictures in the book and then he
• 1:51:59
  cuts to scripted scene, where Knox puts them in long shot, in
• 1:52:05
  a wild west, so they can't reach the top of the frame and pull it
• 1:52:08
  down. And what the hell?
• 1:52:09
  We're going to do? We're in Longshore.
• 1:52:11
  I mean it would be lovely if there was a long shot in this
• 1:52:14
  season and Belinda goes why? Look at me, I'm beautiful art of
• 1:52:21
  all the closer but like that, you know, and then of course the
• 1:52:23
  cameras straight in on her. She grabs the film and it out
• 1:52:26
  there go, it's a much clever version of the story of the
• 1:52:28
  book. I check it out.
• 1:52:29
  It's really, really good. Animated is impossible.
• 1:52:49
  We got to get out of here. I don't know.
• 1:52:55
  I got a two dimensional brain being with you Doctor.
• 1:53:00
  Your life is terrifying. I don't think you ever get me
• 1:53:04
  home. Just happened.
• 1:53:14
  Death, wait a minute, let me try.
• 1:53:18
  It, I didn't tell you everything back in a TARDIS.
• 1:53:21
  We can't ever go back to my Planet because Gallifrey is a
• 1:53:24
  ruin, my people are dead. I'm the last of the time Lords.
• 1:53:30
  Oh. It's working.
• 1:53:32
  I'm more rounded. But what you're saying is there
• 1:53:36
  are no other time Lords. No one's coming to help.
• 1:53:40
  That's it. Keep going.
• 1:53:43
  And I'm terrified Belinda because I can't get you home and
• 1:53:46
  I'm scared in case up means something really bad has
• 1:53:49
  happened in 2025. Tattoo.
• 1:53:55
  Oh my God. Oh my God.
• 1:53:57
  We did. Okay.
• 1:54:03
  I also like the powerful atmosphere of the cinema that
• 1:54:07
  being the sort of Palace of dreams and then turning that
• 1:54:09
  into a trap. I think the atmosphere is really
• 1:54:11
  great, but mostly, I love this because this by a country mile,
• 1:54:16
  is Belinda's best episode of the Season where she gets to be
• 1:54:19
  independent and clever, and kind, and resourceful and ask
• 1:54:23
  all the right questions and solve the problem at the end of
• 1:54:26
  the episode. It's the only episode this
• 1:54:29
  season where she fucking does anything, and it's very
• 1:54:32
  refreshing for that reason. Yes, please.
• 1:54:34
  Can we keep locs A joke. But Joe or emotions.
• 1:54:39
  Make us more through dimensional.
• 1:54:41
  Yeah, I thought that many emotions.
• 1:54:43
  If I'm always, there is never been a more on the nose thing
• 1:54:49
  because it's almost like, he's addressing the crying isn't,
• 1:54:51
  he's addressing the emotion. It's like emotions make us
• 1:54:54
  rounded characters. The only way those three fans
• 1:54:57
  could have been annoying, would have been if they randomly chose
• 1:55:00
  and free of us from this cold one, put I was in the episode
• 1:55:02
  but God there ain't no way and all those three they're doing
• 1:55:05
  bloody conventions. Can you believe it?
• 1:55:07
  They're doing sign in some pictures.
• 1:55:09
  Those three anyway. Sorry, please move.
• 1:55:12
  I, I would never, I won bold of them to assume that I've got two
• 1:55:16
  friends to watch Doctor Who with two, I'd never wear a fez to
• 1:55:19
  watch Doctor Who, because why I want something from Matt Smith,
• 1:55:22
  tenure and three blink, is not the best episode of Doctor ever
• 1:55:25
  made. Come on, watch more Doctor, Who
• 1:55:27
  like to show you guys understand these people better than Rusty
• 1:55:30
  Davis. He has a lion Hassan at the
• 1:55:33
  start of the book. You know, they just didn't
• 1:55:35
  understand Legends of the sea day, but see, there was like
• 1:55:38
  they didn't understand what made it so great.
• 1:55:40
  I was like yeah he's gone. All right.
• 1:55:43
  So, I got that. I've got the, the casting on
• 1:55:47
  this, right? Hmm. um, I think I I think that
• 1:55:54
  I, I agree with everybody to some degree and I think that
• 1:55:58
  it's become an instantly overrated Story by like a fan, a
• 1:56:03
  fan of the desperate for a consensus on an episode to cut a
• 1:56:07
  global on to the that's consistently.
• 1:56:09
  Okay? But overall I really liked it,
• 1:56:13
  I'm not on as other people but I think it's pretty it's pretty
• 1:56:16
  damn good. I think the standout is Not even
• 1:56:20
  necessarily luck himself, but I just think Alan Cumming should
• 1:56:22
  return. Every two to three years to talk
• 1:56:25
  to play a villain. He's fantastic as King James and
• 1:56:28
  he's fantastic as. Lux, I like the design.
• 1:56:33
  I enjoyed the, the aspects of seeing the cartoon and his
• 1:56:39
  catchphrase. I, I did enjoy that personally.
• 1:56:41
  Myself, including his 3D computer-generated nightmare
• 1:56:48
  version of himself. You know, taking a 2d animated
• 1:56:50
  character. Making them.
• 1:56:51
  Realistically 3D was terrifying. Very upsetting.
• 1:56:55
  Yeah, Icarus thing, since the start of the remake of it.
• 1:56:59
  Well, that clown down that drained.
• 1:57:01
  I thought that was a great, great moment.
• 1:57:03
  Um, I had the scale of the story.
• 1:57:07
  I think it's the only thing maybe in the series for me that
• 1:57:10
  feels like recapturing. Yes.
• 1:57:13
  Some kind of old school Doctor Who where we could make a
• 1:57:17
  drizzly day in paneth look like 1950s, Miami.
• 1:57:21
  I was. So I I was sold into the
• 1:57:25
  illusion. Fully Dodge the American accents
• 1:57:28
  of the one. I think that's what I like
• 1:57:29
  Doctor, Who Or wobbly sets and unconvincing Cardiff streets as
• 1:57:34
  locales across the entire universe. and I think,
• 1:57:39
  Especially in this era of, you know a story that I maybe don't
• 1:57:42
  hate but is guilty of using the volume to the most egregious
• 1:57:46
  standard of all time. It was nice to kind of get out
• 1:57:51
  and feel like we're on location in a real place and the scale of
• 1:57:57
  kind of starting in this Pokey Cinema, but ending it with with
• 1:57:59
  Luck's, Flying over the over the globe turning into Starlight.
• 1:58:04
  I personally I found that very, I've had a very beautiful.
• 1:58:08
  I found it quite moving. There's something about his sort
• 1:58:10
  of acceptance into into death and kind of a vicer into the
• 1:58:14
  stars that felt very beautiful in a way that another story
• 1:58:17
  doesn't handle character turning into Stars, quite, as well.
• 1:58:19
  Um, Powder dry. But I also I don't mind you
• 1:58:25
  know, I don't mind the fans. It's a little cringy at the
• 1:58:28
  time. I like it more because again, I
• 1:58:30
  thought it felt very Final it felt you know the doctor is
• 1:58:36
  stepping out of the TV screen. He's having a very heartfelt
• 1:58:38
  conversation with some way too passionate fans.
• 1:58:43
  And it felt like this kind of part of saying goodbye.
• 1:58:45
  So in hindsight it doesn't quite work as well, but I always
• 1:58:50
  appreciate Doctor Who taking risks and doing things even if
• 1:58:54
  they don't land 100%. So I, yeah, he really wants in
• 1:58:58
  on what other genre shows, have done better like Buffy with
• 1:59:02
  episodes like normal again. You know, whereas breaking the
• 1:59:05
  fourth wall like that and it just didn't get it here.
• 1:59:08
  I don't think, yeah, Russell really likes Telly and I think
• 1:59:13
  having sort of having like recently read the right as tail
• 1:59:17
  for the for the podcast. There's, there's a certain
• 1:59:21
  amount of I think he's first, tenure feeling, like, very
• 1:59:23
  inspired by the Great British TV, dramas, and the Soaps and
• 1:59:27
  this new run feels a lot more. Yeah, America. like you know
• 1:59:33
  bingeable box set series kind of inspired and I think maybe
• 1:59:39
  prefer the other approach but You know again I I think overall
• 1:59:44
  it's a it's it's good in spite of me feeling like maybe it's a
• 1:59:49
  little bit in the little bit over loved.
• 1:59:50
  So I would keep blocks. I think it's worthy keeper.
• 1:59:54
  You think that Russell sometimes copies these shows, easy shows
• 1:59:57
  and he takes going, I'm gonna do my version of One Division.
• 2:00:00
  I do my if you actually watched or understood the thing that
• 2:00:04
  you're copying because there are times where I think it's like
• 2:00:07
  you've got this, you've got the concept the top level concept
• 2:00:10
  you mentioned. Yeah Buffy.
• 2:00:12
  Did I mean how many series have done the know know your
• 2:00:15
  fictional or you the world you live in is not real and it's
• 2:00:18
  like it's it's such a common Trope and it's been done so much
• 2:00:23
  better everywhere else and it only wish what he's trying to
• 2:00:26
  ape that scene in the second episode of Wanda Vision in the
• 2:00:29
  sitcom with the woman from that 70.
• 2:00:32
  Show the mom from that 70 show wish where someone knocks over
• 2:00:36
  something at the table and someone was laughing and she's
• 2:00:39
  got, stop it, stop it. It's really discordant and weird
• 2:00:42
  and unnerving. And he saw trying to do that
• 2:00:45
  with the cups and things like that, but he's just, not getting
• 2:00:48
  it. Do you think he wanted the
• 2:00:50
  tables don't do that to get started getting printed on
• 2:00:53
  t-shirts, that they're just felt like A line.
• 2:00:54
  That's like, I want like David it.
• 2:00:57
  All generates some complaint. Yeah.
• 2:00:58
  The next time we see those fans. Yeah, they'll have, they'll have
• 2:01:01
  the bow ties. A cool t-shirt on and tables.
• 2:01:04
  Don't do that t-shirts. It might be on sale on the new
• 2:01:06
  BBC Shop. Oh, she worked.
• 2:01:09
  She My my big theory about the, the season one merch, they've
• 2:01:15
  got that shirt. That's a design of all the VHS
• 2:01:17
  points and they're all individual stories except for
• 2:01:19
  the series 1 1964 in bracket. So my theory is this, that's it.
• 2:01:23
  The found Marco Polo now and so it's the reign of terror.
• 2:01:25
  It's All Coming Back still for hurting here.
• 2:01:29
  Onto something that's fine. What's this bit of discordant
• 2:01:33
  about the market? I mentioned this evening.
• 2:01:34
  I shall stop. Hey, David picker pick a story
• 2:01:39
  to Champion or condemn. Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm
• 2:01:41
  gonna go positive. So I'm gonna put Mark Apollo
• 2:01:44
  strip Our particularly like pink show.
• 2:01:48
  I I think I think have monologue in episode 3 is particularly
• 2:01:52
  super High government officer doing as a servant to Marco
• 2:01:56
  Polo's, Caravan. The complete worth of Burma, I
• 2:02:00
  believe for a year. And got something we're all
• 2:02:04
  smart, and that was angry. And I was stamp walls. oh, And I
• 2:02:13
  think you find Kubla Khan talks about Game of chance, not game
• 2:02:15
  of cards. Ignore what the discontinuity
• 2:02:17
  going to us to tell you. hey, I want to talk about lucky day
• 2:02:21
  because I think that's for me, the highlights of the season and
• 2:02:28
  Mainly because it puts many Gibson front and center.
• 2:02:32
  I mean, regardless of what happened behind the scenes, the
• 2:02:35
  fact that she's been written out the, whatever they promised with
• 2:02:38
  his doctor's, going to have to Companions and bollocks, that
• 2:02:42
  was just PR, she shows what we kind of lost.
• 2:02:47
  In having her written out. She owns that episode, she
• 2:02:52
  brings Oh God said he forgotten Ruby Sunday's name.
• 2:02:57
  That's a terrible thing. Really Gibson Ruby Sunday that
• 2:03:01
  the trauma that she's gone through and that sort of
• 2:03:03
  aftermath of everything that happened season 1, she's front
• 2:03:07
  and center and she's got the acting chops to deliver as well.
• 2:03:10
  You know, she just shows that you give her a script.
• 2:03:13
  This is somebody who's still quite young.
• 2:03:15
  She hasn't done a huge amount of telly.
• 2:03:17
  She did it in 73 yards and she's done it again.
• 2:03:19
  She's Really really strong. And I think it is to the seasons
• 2:03:22
  weakness that it's written her down so much.
• 2:03:24
  She really only has a key in significant part to play in this
• 2:03:27
  one episode and she Gave us everything that the scripts.
• 2:03:33
  Throws at her and she delivers and I think it's probably one of
• 2:03:35
  the standout performance of the season.
• 2:03:39
  Secondly, it's subverted. All right.
• 2:03:42
  So my expectations because when you saw the next time trailer,
• 2:03:45
  we just had the well riffing off midnight.
• 2:03:47
  You've got Lux that felt a bit Devil's core.
• 2:03:50
  There was Quite a few. People were saying this season
• 2:03:52
  feels a bit familiar things like we're trading old, ground and
• 2:03:54
  trailers and the right and I thought are we getting love and
• 2:03:59
  monsters too? Oh yeah, child.
• 2:04:02
  Meets the doctor affect him and he's trying to track him down as
• 2:04:06
  like, are we just gonna do the same everything and then you get
• 2:04:11
  20-25 minutes in. And you get that, I don't of
• 2:04:15
  course. If you were unfortunate to not
• 2:04:18
  watch it whatever time in the morning, it came out or
• 2:04:20
  whatever. And you were, there was a Twist
• 2:04:22
  coming. It's like that.
• 2:04:23
  Just ruins it, just saying there's a Twist ruins, the
• 2:04:26
  story. But the story goes off in a
• 2:04:29
  completely different direction than what you thought it was
• 2:04:31
  going to be, and it becomes this comment on online culture in
• 2:04:36
  South conscious and everything. I think it's really genuinely
• 2:04:41
  unsettling. I don't know if anybody here has
• 2:04:44
  seen doing the rounds on social media, this week, something in
• 2:04:47
  America, where you had basically, I think a left-wing
• 2:04:51
  journalist. I think he's naturalized America
• 2:04:54
  from Britain originally Donald's name and basically, He
• 2:04:59
  surrounded by basically Nazis. He's, and they, and they come,
• 2:05:03
  and they come, and they debate him.
• 2:05:05
  Yeah. And These are young people.
• 2:05:09
  Probably not similar, massive disability to a Conrad's
• 2:05:12
  supposed to be, and they are unrepentant in their Nazi views,
• 2:05:17
  you know. It will be You know, you should.
• 2:05:21
  You shouldn't be in our country? You should leave and even when
• 2:05:23
  people have been confronted with the truth and it'd be like how
• 2:05:26
  do you just say you were your child of an immigrant?
• 2:05:30
  And it's like yes but you should still and even when confronted
• 2:05:33
  with facts that doesn't affect their worldview taught and
• 2:05:36
  that's what we saw with Conrad by the end, he was being
• 2:05:38
  presented with the truth. He's been presented with facts
• 2:05:40
  and He just would not accept it and it's like that's the
• 2:05:43
  terrifying thing. That's what we're seeing in the
• 2:05:46
  world down. This is where if it really does
• 2:05:48
  feel like this is very real world.
• 2:05:52
  Doctor in the real world mixing is always fraught with
• 2:05:55
  difficulties. We'll come back to that.
• 2:05:57
  We're going to the world. But here found him is not exempt
• 2:06:01
  David, okay? and, You know, we're seeing so
• 2:06:06
  many parallels to where the world is.
• 2:06:08
  Now you've got these young people who are so determined
• 2:06:11
  that they're right, that they lose all sense of rationality.
• 2:06:16
  They can't debate, they can't have reason.
• 2:06:18
  You know what I've said for a long time since we did the first
• 2:06:21
  strictly, however, long ago I came on to do the series 12.
• 2:06:24
  I wasn't a fan. I was really nervous coming on
• 2:06:26
  going. Oh God have.
• 2:06:27
  They gotta be really cruel? Because I don't agree with them.
• 2:06:29
  And we ended up having to really Mature and sensible debate.
• 2:06:32
  But that's a, that's a dying art.
• 2:06:34
  I little trip to the torture chamber.
• 2:06:38
  Oh yeah. I had that erase from my memory
• 2:06:40
  because that was part of the wish.
• 2:06:41
  That's what the scar is. It I'm just yeah.
• 2:06:49
  So there is something genuinely terrifying about this episode
• 2:06:52
  and really unsettling and I think it's done well.
• 2:06:54
  But I also like to this is one of the few episodes of season
• 2:06:56
  has a sense of scale. It's like we're out we're
• 2:06:59
  Outdoors or on location because this this feels like a season
• 2:07:01
  that's indoors quite a lot that doesn't feel to be a matter of
• 2:07:04
  location work this year and it's got scale.
• 2:07:09
  It's got skull when you know the village who was different eras.
• 2:07:13
  We do end up on the unit set again you know they've paid the
• 2:07:17
  money for that set and we're going to how many episodes end
• 2:07:20
  on that unit set but It's really well done and they make Kate
• 2:07:25
  borderline, interesting. Borderline psychotic?
• 2:07:30
  Yeah. See, gotta have a cafe app.
• 2:07:34
  Didn't say it was a negative it's the closest way I've gone
• 2:07:38
  okay you know. Okay.
• 2:07:40
  Okay then we've got Kate's in it.
• 2:07:42
  I haven't mention of a father because you know, can't have
• 2:07:45
  that but, It's a really good really effective.
• 2:07:49
  The only thing I got a bit confused about when Conrad is in
• 2:07:53
  this and you understand why it's character is and what he's
• 2:07:55
  about. I never got the sense that he
• 2:07:58
  was that kind of harking, back to the 50s type that we get.
• 2:08:02
  In wish world, you know it didn't feel I I kind of wondered
• 2:08:07
  whether or not whether or not Conrad in the finale, was meant
• 2:08:10
  to be the politician in series one who was a bit more like that
• 2:08:15
  the album party all Hawking back to the past so whether or not
• 2:08:18
  that's something that was part of the original Two Season plan.
• 2:08:20
  Oh you have read the two season plan.
• 2:08:22
  Know, I just know, I haven't seen it. if you've got it, I'd
• 2:08:26
  like to say it but I haven't I I'm just guessing but it's just
• 2:08:30
  that Roger app Willem He was more.
• 2:08:34
  The Heritage world than Conrad does.
• 2:08:36
  But yeah, he's genuinely terrifying character, but he's
• 2:08:41
  terrifying because he's real. So, I said keep lucky day.
• 2:08:50
  Okay, everyone, it's the comments for Lucky Day.
• 2:08:53
  First up, we have Colin Hicks, a poor revisitation of love and
• 2:08:58
  monsters without any of the heart.
• 2:08:59
  Oh dear, Daniel, Knight has an exceptionally good performance
• 2:09:02
  from Jonah. Howard King, as comrade going
• 2:09:04
  from clumsy, nice guy to punchable incel with ease.
• 2:09:07
  It makes no sense. That Ruby would do a podcast.
• 2:09:10
  Talk about Universal checking, who he is.
• 2:09:11
  First though, start over suspense, start over substance,
• 2:09:15
  but the shriek was well, realized Jacquees says, do you
• 2:09:20
  remember that whole doctor? Get me home narrative art stuff?
• 2:09:23
  No neither do? I welcome back Ruby Sunday.
• 2:09:26
  What a relief is to have Millie Gibson back again.
• 2:09:29
  Her presence is really well, come here and it's a comfort to
• 2:09:32
  pretend to care about season 1, back Edge, just a few minutes
• 2:09:35
  before getting into a nice little political thriller
• 2:09:38
  Groove. There's always a Twist in the
• 2:09:40
  middle. There's a Twist.
• 2:09:41
  There's always a Twist in the middle apparently Paul Crescent.
• 2:09:46
  I quite enjoyed this. Such a shame really burnt her
• 2:09:49
  Bridges because she's really Very good actor.
• 2:09:51
  However, yet another doctor, Light episode, an eighth episode
• 2:09:55
  season is a clear sign that something very wrong is
• 2:09:58
  occurring behind the scenes. Jason Thompson Conrad was too
• 2:10:03
  much like people. I've had real world interactions
• 2:10:05
  with the cause a lot of distress for me to enjoy it.
• 2:10:08
  The premise would work better with the unit of the 70s with a
• 2:10:12
  smaller operation and HQ a bit more modest bin, Michael storms.
• 2:10:17
  Keep, but after watching, but watching after a ridiculously
• 2:10:22
  high level of success for a party of bigoted, more and the
• 2:10:25
  UK. So this was an uncomfortable
• 2:10:26
  watch Here in pal. Great Twist on a first watch on
• 2:10:31
  repeat viewings, falls apart. I imagine someone has already
• 2:10:35
  said or say about how a Google search would have linked to
• 2:10:38
  Conrad's podcast to Think Tank and another Kiran Kiran Evans.
• 2:10:41
  Some interesting ideas about how people in the world of Doctor
• 2:10:44
  Who view things but I just don't buy comrade and we are told that
• 2:10:48
  Ruby is traumatized by her travels, not shown Luke, how it
• 2:10:53
  is Sims Jenkins. Lucky day is dumb.
• 2:10:56
  Hey Ruby. Why are you on a podcast and
• 2:10:58
  talk about things? You know you shouldn't?
• 2:11:00
  Why don't you listen to it? Why don't you listen to it?
• 2:11:05
  And what oh why do you listen to it and check this group out, why
• 2:11:09
  don't you listen to it and check this creeped out on social
• 2:11:11
  media. She should be fired.
• 2:11:13
  Also the whole just trust us we're saving you was bad and
• 2:11:16
  from the guy who's Pro Amazon, take I don't think he is
• 2:11:20
  Promised on. I think everyone mistakes what's
• 2:11:22
  going on in Glam, but I know she was fired.
• 2:11:25
  So that's why she's doing what episode this year and your rules
• 2:11:29
  like hooray for Ruby Sunday. People tied delivers the biggest
• 2:11:32
  surprise of season 15 getting into the weeds of conspiracy
• 2:11:36
  theorists, the terminally online and that awful smarmy YouTuber,
• 2:11:40
  brain rot in modern discourse and unpleasant conversation for
• 2:11:43
  Doctor Who to be having with itself.
• 2:11:45
  But perhaps are needed one and John arnhold.
• 2:11:48
  The moral of the lucky day is that ignoring Doctor Who ruined
• 2:11:52
  your life, it's not worth it. The doctor speech gets
• 2:11:55
  misunderstood, though. It's grandstanding Gap will
• 2:11:58
  plays it beautifully, but it's utterly ineffective.
• 2:12:01
  How do you reach people? Predisposed, not to listen to
• 2:12:04
  you. well, let's just go for for Matt is the only one is not on
• 2:12:13
  mute, so he's It's love and monsters in the age of trump.
• 2:12:19
  I think it. I think it's great to have Ruby
• 2:12:25
  back. I think Conrad's legitimately
• 2:12:27
  yucky, the street looks great, it makes unit look dark and hard
• 2:12:34
  and serious in a way that I expect is going to be.
• 2:12:39
  Key in the war between the land and the sea I suspect.
• 2:12:44
  This is a kind of almost A dry run for what?
• 2:12:50
  We might be getting later this year.
• 2:12:54
  I, I think you gave a really good explanation, David of why
• 2:13:00
  some of their doesn't necessarily add up or make
• 2:13:05
  sense, because the whole point is, that these people online,
• 2:13:11
  these kind of They're not really Flat Earth but these theorists
• 2:13:20
  online. Don't believe in sense and
• 2:13:23
  facts. They just make things up because
• 2:13:25
  like my rationale head is going, but if you thought unit was just
• 2:13:29
  a massive hoax, what I would, she thinks would make you net
• 2:13:33
  respond in reality but I guess the whole point is they don't
• 2:13:38
  really think rationally, so it doesn't matter.
• 2:13:40
  That doesn't really make sense. um, I thought again, I thought
• 2:13:49
  the doctor at the end turning up to be very scathing towards
• 2:13:55
  Conrad I thought that there was something going on, I thought,
• 2:14:02
  in the whole series, whether the doctors becoming Toxically
• 2:14:07
  masculine or whatever, which is very old, things about shooting.
• 2:14:11
  But there's definitely like a sense of here, letting rip at
• 2:14:16
  Conrad and being violent and aggressive towards people.
• 2:14:22
  He disliked. I thought that was going to go
• 2:14:25
  somewhere and I agree. One of my problems I mentioned
• 2:14:29
  already on wish folder reality always.
• 2:14:31
  I like, I find Conrad quite inconsistent between lucky day
• 2:14:35
  and then the season finale, his character doesn't necessarily
• 2:14:40
  feel consistent. And here's Methods and approach
• 2:14:48
  don't necessarily stack up but I guess you just Terrence would
• 2:14:52
  have just done it with a line, wouldn't it?
• 2:14:54
  Yeah, probably saying we've Rewritten his past so he can
• 2:14:58
  achieve our aims or something. He kind of goes like I do
• 2:15:01
  anything for you. Mistress.
• 2:15:03
  Ronnie. And, you know, it wouldn't we
• 2:15:07
  all to be honest. But yeah.
• 2:15:09
  So I think maybe his maybe he's his kind of in fact situation
• 2:15:17
  with the Rani explains it but overall.
• 2:15:20
  Yeah. I think it's good.
• 2:15:24
  It's a good doctor like story and I really like the Ruby car
• 2:15:29
  showcase didn't one episode this series.
• 2:15:35
  What do you think about lucky day?
• 2:15:36
  All I think is really unfortunate that my favorite
• 2:15:40
  episode of the first series is 73 yards and my favorite episode
• 2:15:44
  of the second series is lucky die because those are the two
• 2:15:47
  episodes. So she got, what does the least
• 2:15:48
  in? And that's not why they're my
• 2:15:50
  favorite. It's because Millie Gibson is
• 2:15:52
  the leader. Those two episodes.
• 2:15:53
  It's not still sites. Millie is wonderful.
• 2:16:01
  She is just so effortlessly likeable, I think.
• 2:16:04
  And to put her into this sort of PTSD, post, companion role, Uh,
• 2:16:10
  someone said in the comments that oh God.
• 2:16:12
  So the message is that, you know, traveling with the doctor
• 2:16:15
  fucks up your life. Know because we've done a
• 2:16:19
  million times traveling with the doctor is a magical experience
• 2:16:22
  and you're a better person because of it.
• 2:16:23
  So now we've got our support that a little bit and actually
• 2:16:26
  asked the questions that if you go through all this stuff.
• 2:16:28
  Yeah. Would you be a little bit
• 2:16:30
  troubled if you stepped away from that?
• 2:16:32
  Yeah, I think you would, I think you would and I think this goes
• 2:16:35
  some way to there's a wonderful bit, you know, where the hoax is
• 2:16:38
  all revealed. And one of the The Lads that's
• 2:16:42
  in on the hoax with the monster costume comes up and sort of
• 2:16:44
  goes boo behind her and she really jumps out of her skin.
• 2:16:47
  Like she's just terrified of everything now because she knows
• 2:16:50
  what's out there. It's really, really interesting.
• 2:16:55
  It's my favorite episode as well because it's the only episode
• 2:16:57
  that made me truly excited this year because the con was on from
• 2:17:01
  the first scene with the doctrine Belinda in that
• 2:17:05
  Alleyway, and I was totally fold all the way through on there.
• 2:17:08
  Exactly where this was going. Fuck, that I didn't have a
• 2:17:11
  bloody clue and when that camera sliding on comrades and he said,
• 2:17:15
  you know, it what the hell's going on, and my heart was just
• 2:17:19
  pumping like, oh my God. People tires pulled the wall
• 2:17:22
  over my eyes, so spectacularly. Because I don't know how a king
• 2:17:27
  is so likable with that. I've not seen a Switcheroo like
• 2:17:30
  that. So, Sasha Duane and his wife,
• 2:17:32
  all and he got me as well and exactly the same way, you need a
• 2:17:35
  Bloody good actor to get that right.
• 2:17:36
  I think most of the audience worth old and then yeah, you're
• 2:17:39
  right then it's just the one problem with the second half of
• 2:17:42
  the episode is that whole thing about shining the light on unit.
• 2:17:47
  A politically, you know, financially is so interesting
• 2:17:51
  that that I can only deal with it in like one scene because
• 2:17:55
  there's there's other things to do here.
• 2:17:57
  And so I'm hoping there's a bit more of that war between land
• 2:18:00
  and the Sea because I think that's something that's worth
• 2:18:01
  sort of digging into and turning Kate Lethbridge Stewart, you
• 2:18:05
  know, from dictatorial. Daddy lover to a psychopath.
• 2:18:10
  The sets alien monstrosity is on people.
• 2:18:12
  She don't like oh wonderful. The best she's ever been in
• 2:18:16
  Doctor Who but also I think as well this is the best directed
• 2:18:20
  episode of the Season as well. By a country mile that sequence
• 2:18:24
  where Ruby is in the cafe with Jonah telling him about the
• 2:18:27
  streak and the cameras swinging around him.
• 2:18:30
  You see it going over the wall when silhouette coming in the
• 2:18:33
  door. That is a beautiful directed
• 2:18:36
  seen and I think the direction for out this is wonderful too.
• 2:18:40
  Yeah, this is Magic. Of course put this through, this
• 2:18:44
  is what I expected from RTD2 big.
• 2:18:47
  Powerful subversive statements political anger.
• 2:18:51
  It came from Pink. Not Rusty, Davis Kelsey's.
• 2:18:55
  Yes, please. Let's keep it.
• 2:18:59
  Okay, well, I think that means it's it's going through, but I
• 2:19:03
  still want to hear what what Paul thinks of lucky day.
• 2:19:07
  I haven't much to add what we've been saying.
• 2:19:10
  I, I think it's a wonderful episode terrifying, episode.
• 2:19:12
  I think it's indicative of how dark Davis's Vision has become
• 2:19:17
  since Love & monsters. It is the kind of messed up
• 2:19:23
  cousin post-brexit, post Trump or Trump too version of it.
• 2:19:28
  I think it does something interesting unit because I think
• 2:19:31
  if you go back to season 7 there's kind of some suggestions
• 2:19:34
  in there in. Is it ambassadors of death Left
• 2:19:37
  Bridge, Stuart tells and that man of Arrested, we can make you
• 2:19:39
  disappear for a long time or, you know, kind of indefinite
• 2:19:43
  arrested December before unit. Got too close.
• 2:19:45
  He sees and onwards. There was already, there was a
• 2:19:48
  suggestion there, this was a much harder vision and I think
• 2:19:51
  it goes into that conspiratorial mindset really well.
• 2:19:54
  I think visually when when you've got that use of tiktok
• 2:19:57
  running up the screen there, when they got the cameras on
• 2:19:59
  everyone, he's utterly terrifying.
• 2:20:01
  You can see just how bad things are, how about they got bad,
• 2:20:05
  they continue to be. I love the fact that the Inside
• 2:20:09
  Man at Uni is called Jordan, which I assume is a digital
• 2:20:12
  Jordan Peterson. The dog ship philosopher who on
• 2:20:16
  the pins, so much of what passes for Thought amongst these
• 2:20:19
  people. I think it's fascinating that
• 2:20:21
  Kate Stewart's got her daddy issues and Conrad's Clee has
• 2:20:24
  mommy. Issues Conrad's mother is
• 2:20:27
  lurking around in the background of this storyline.
• 2:20:29
  I think that's partly why he then responds so.
• 2:20:31
  Well to the Ronnie, he'll do anything for her because he
• 2:20:34
  fancies there but also because she's the mother figure that's
• 2:20:36
  missing. I think what's interesting was
• 2:20:38
  the doctor can't convert him, the doctor he won't listen to
• 2:20:41
  the doctor. I assume it's because the doctor
• 2:20:43
  is black Later in the season, when he's kind of lost control
• 2:20:46
  because it says, I think Matt's, right?
• 2:20:48
  There's a, there's a kind of tension between Conrad here the
• 2:20:53
  Ultra Modern. All right, new right fashion,
• 2:20:58
  whatever we want to call them, who can hold two contradictory
• 2:21:02
  views in their head and and can continue to exist who wants
• 2:21:06
  Simplicity but also want these complex conspiracy theories
• 2:21:09
  around. You enjoy your right about the
• 2:21:11
  hell, they're funded, but he's kind of a little boy, lost the
• 2:21:14
  end there. And that sense of that, all of
• 2:21:17
  this is being a part of his psyche and it's too much for
• 2:21:20
  him. So I think there is a attention
• 2:21:21
  there between those two things. But yeah, I think I think it's
• 2:21:24
  marvelous she was really good in that one scene that he is in it.
• 2:21:28
  I think maybe not his best performance in the season.
• 2:21:30
  There's something better coming but hey, I
• 2:21:58
  Shrink is back in its high. No need to thank me.
• 2:22:03
  You have to be invited into my Tardis Conrad to be special.
• 2:22:13
  You your special? For all the wrong reasons.
• 2:22:23
  See, I am fighting a battle. On behalf of Everyday People.
• 2:22:30
  You just want to get through their day.
• 2:22:32
  And feel safe. And warm.
• 2:22:35
  And fed. And then Along Comes This.
• 2:22:40
  Noise all day long. This Relentless noise.
• 2:22:50
  Cowards, like you weaponizing lies.
• 2:22:55
  Taking people's insecurities and fear and making it currency.
• 2:23:01
  You are exhausting you stumped on the truth stroke, our
• 2:23:05
  bandwidth and Shred our patience because the only strategy you
• 2:23:10
  have is to wear us down. But the thing is Conrad, I have
• 2:23:15
  energy to burn and all the time in the universe.
• 2:23:26
  What is this? An intervention.
• 2:23:31
  You hear to say my soul, you betrayed my friend?
• 2:23:37
  You've had plenty of. Friends.
• 2:23:52
  I'll tell you your future. You die in a prison.
• 2:24:05
  Forgotten. The Royal carries on the world
• 2:24:07
  gets better. You aren't even a football.
• 2:24:16
  I don't accept your reality. Doctor, I rejected.
• 2:24:22
  So put me back in my present. And get.
• 2:24:43
  I think it's it's dark but it's necessary and yeah, absolutely
• 2:24:49
  put it through. Have you love the fact that you
• 2:24:51
  give this space shoes? I just I really thought they
• 2:24:55
  were going down that Arc, okay? He's gonna sing the arrow of his
• 2:24:58
  wife at. He just laughs and you know then
• 2:25:00
  it's no hope forever, it's all well, lucky day is is going
• 2:25:08
  through with a with a stomping majority there except for me
• 2:25:13
  who's turning Fucking Dreadful, absolute fucking dross this
• 2:25:19
  episode. Jesus.
• 2:25:21
  One of my not the worst, not the worst.
• 2:25:24
  But it's in my it's in my my much lower echelons.
• 2:25:31
  I think hearing everybody's perspective on it has been
• 2:25:33
  interesting and it's one of those things you and something
• 2:25:35
  is explained to you, and it sounds interesting in hindsight,
• 2:25:37
  then you have to actually go and watch it and I just don't see
• 2:25:42
  the marrying up at all. I I love Conrad but not in the
• 2:25:47
  way that Conrad wants to be loads but just As a presence on
• 2:25:51
  screen, I cannot stand spending time with this character before
• 2:25:54
  he's revealed to be a rock and before his evil, to be a crooked
• 2:25:57
  bloke. And after he's revealed to be a
• 2:25:59
  wrong, and there is just something about the performance
• 2:26:02
  that really Meets the meets, the mark in the last half of the
• 2:26:06
  episode, that makes him despise all bit in a, in a way, where it
• 2:26:11
  just does not feel. Entertaining at any point to
• 2:26:15
  watch. Um, no.
• 2:26:17
  It's supposed to, you know, and I don't ya and not everything,
• 2:26:20
  not everything. Oh, but it makes it for me a
• 2:26:25
  thoroughly. Horrible episode to watch.
• 2:26:28
  Um, and I don't think that That is necessarily a problem but it
• 2:26:33
  just, it just means I can't, I can't get on with it but say,
• 2:26:38
  but even before is wrong and I don't like his whole deal.
• 2:26:41
  I don't think he's particularly well performed, and I love Ruby
• 2:26:44
  and those first kind of 15, 20 minutes of watching her have
• 2:26:48
  Light rom-com even with what it's building to.
• 2:26:51
  I just find intently boring. I think it's a credit incredibly
• 2:26:56
  boring story. Um and when the twist does come,
• 2:27:00
  it was interesting. I was like good, right?
• 2:27:03
  Okay, we are doing. So this is not just Ruby Falls
• 2:27:05
  in Love and they're amazing about okay good.
• 2:27:10
  For me this is all. So one of the episodes that with
• 2:27:13
  its intentions misses the mark, which ironically I've actually
• 2:27:18
  been bought up recently with a new blockbuster called Superman
• 2:27:21
  where their thesis seems to land on don't ever question anything
• 2:27:25
  there is a fine line between being conspiratorial about
• 2:27:31
  Vaccines. Of course because all that stuff
• 2:27:32
  is nonsense by idiots. But there is also nothing wrong
• 2:27:37
  with maybe got a questioning where a private Army gets his
• 2:27:41
  money from and I just think choosing unit as the target
• 2:27:44
  feels. Like a real weak shot for me.
• 2:27:48
  In, in this episode, they do it because we understand what unit
• 2:27:52
  is and it makes it relatable. But if you're going to pick a
• 2:27:54
  target of kind of false outrage to be levied out, I think unit
• 2:27:58
  is the The wrong. The wrong choice.
• 2:28:01
  I just think they deliberately presented you knit as Very bold
• 2:28:08
  and caught so bold. Now, they can have that enormous
• 2:28:10
  Tower in the middle of London, you know, and they're
• 2:28:12
  Untouchable. So, the fact that they're
• 2:28:15
  undermines so much in this episode, it makes me think that.
• 2:28:18
  That's why he say, up unit that way, he's told he couldn't use
• 2:28:24
  United Nations in the title. That would play absolutely into
• 2:28:28
  the conspiratorial theories. If they were still the United
• 2:28:31
  Nations intelligence task force. So that does pull against
• 2:28:34
  slightly what they wanted to do. Yeah.
• 2:28:36
  Again I just don't think there's anything.
• 2:28:38
  If there is a if suddenly a giant Tower of your private
• 2:28:42
  funded, you know, Army types to turn up in the middle of London,
• 2:28:45
  I just don't think there would be anything wrong with wanting
• 2:28:48
  to interrogate what money is in, what pockets, and who, who owns
• 2:28:51
  it? And I just think it undermines
• 2:28:53
  that Central conceit. I again, I like, I like
• 2:28:56
  Porsche's of this, I like ideas that are being picked out, but I
• 2:29:01
  mean, yeah, I just, I don't think picnic has very strong
• 2:29:04
  political convictions as of evidence.
• 2:29:06
  Like a blam and I think he picks the wrong.
• 2:29:08
  I think he picks the wrong outlet for his.
• 2:29:12
  I think he has good political opinions.
• 2:29:14
  I think he picks the wrong Outlet to express them in
• 2:29:17
  kablam. It's oh don't worry Amazon's.
• 2:29:20
  Okay I did this. It's don't question the the
• 2:29:23
  giant military headquarters I will say though.
• 2:29:26
  It's nice, having Kate Lethbridge to do it, to do
• 2:29:28
  something interesting and the one of my highlights of the
• 2:29:32
  season is Ruby phoning her in the middle of the night and her
• 2:29:35
  staying behind in the office, sex, with Colonel Hebrew.
• 2:29:37
  What would you happen question then?
• 2:29:39
  Because of course it's dependent upon us as fans knowing units.
• 2:29:44
  So okay. Well, yeah.
• 2:29:45
  Well that's that's yeah, that's the problem.
• 2:29:47
  I think that's that's the the rub here.
• 2:29:50
  Isn't it is? Yeah, like it's it's designed
• 2:29:52
  around Union because it's short hand for us as a viewer.
• 2:29:56
  I don't know what they would pick in its in its stead but I
• 2:30:00
  don't know. I mean maybe maybe Ruby should
• 2:30:03
  be investigating something at the start.
• 2:30:06
  I don't know, but then you'll see that would then not playing
• 2:30:09
  to her being sort of You know, kind of, you know, anxiety
• 2:30:14
  ridden about about her travels. Um, Yeah it's not it's just not
• 2:30:19
  a story that's occupied much brain space.
• 2:30:21
  Oh yeah some stories I think I could work out how I would, I
• 2:30:25
  would fix this. If God forbid, someone said to
• 2:30:27
  me, please write Doctor Who, because I would hate that.
• 2:30:29
  Um, but this one I just it's a story that just leaves me
• 2:30:32
  feeling cold and a bit unclear in what it wants to say,
• 2:30:36
  politically. I think, I don't want to pile
• 2:30:39
  on, but I've been no way think a couple of them is a pro Amazon
• 2:30:42
  message, either. I think that is completely
• 2:30:44
  misunderstood by people and if you go read the book, you
• 2:30:47
  absolutely can see what he's trying to say with that.
• 2:30:49
  That's the second time tonight. You've referred to the book.
• 2:30:51
  Yeah, that's because I get another chance to tell the story
• 2:30:55
  away from the fucking show Runners end up with.
• 2:30:59
  Oh, we're gonna give him more holiday, which is inconsistent
• 2:31:03
  what we see in earlier on in kablam, it's like Amazon learn.
• 2:31:06
  It's less Yeah. Like yeah.
• 2:31:09
  It's But yeah, not it's gonna continue.
• 2:31:12
  I don't think it's, I don't think I'll just agree with
• 2:31:16
  everything they do but they don't get my books to me very
• 2:31:19
  quickly. I haven't used them since
• 2:31:21
  November. Oh.
• 2:31:22
  Are you from this week? But I, yeah, I mean but again it
• 2:31:26
  kind of feels like this. It kind of feels like this,
• 2:31:27
  right? So it's almost yeah.
• 2:31:29
  Like I don't think the I don't think it's an ill intentioned
• 2:31:32
  message about Amazon. I don't think it's all bad in
• 2:31:35
  compliance, for example, but I think it's it's it's it's kind
• 2:31:39
  of gesturing at something, but it also doesn't necessarily want
• 2:31:42
  to say something that's maybe too controversial.
• 2:31:44
  So yeah, we'll carry interest that.
• 2:31:46
  Yeah, and I'm very, you know, maybe I'm, you know, I can, I
• 2:31:51
  can accept other points of view, you know?
• 2:31:52
  Like, it's fine. I like hearing, what other
• 2:31:54
  people I'd say. I found everybody's input, very
• 2:31:56
  interesting. I'm not blinkered, but, you
• 2:31:58
  know, I, I would say, I'm probably much more to the left
• 2:32:00
  of pigeon. I find some for centuries
• 2:32:03
  tendency to be very frustrating sometimes.
• 2:32:05
  Why shouldn't you ask questions of unit?
• 2:32:07
  Anyway, what should I be exempt from examination?
• 2:32:10
  Yeah, that's what. That's what I'm saying.
• 2:32:11
  Conrad is Conrad's, the villain. He's the one doing the
• 2:32:14
  questioning of it, you know. Absolutely.
• 2:32:17
  Should be questioning you. Yeah.
• 2:32:18
  And I'm then I'm then signed with comrade who is ah, who's
• 2:32:22
  who's the villain evil? Well yeah, I don't agree with
• 2:32:25
  his lies about everything with comrades, other opinions of
• 2:32:29
  course but like yeah when you take the, the misogynist racist
• 2:32:33
  homophobe and you make him have a good point, it's a bit like
• 2:32:38
  blimey and again maybe you could play with that as well, right?
• 2:32:41
  You could you could lure Us in, you could make us feel a bit A
• 2:32:44
  bit related a bit, relatable to this guy and that would make you
• 2:32:47
  feel uncomfortable, because you like, why?
• 2:32:48
  I don't, I don't agree with him, but I am grounded him, but I
• 2:32:51
  don't think it's doing anything that clever.
• 2:32:54
  So interesting in this quite unquote era of Doctor Who where
• 2:32:58
  we are throwing these issues in the air at least one of us.
• 2:33:00
  With every episode we're talking about has gone issue with how
• 2:33:03
  it's been presented. Yeah, I yeah, just not for me
• 2:33:08
  personally but it doesn't matter because everybody else really
• 2:33:11
  liked it. So you know, I If you're
• 2:33:15
  interested in listening to like a two-hour long kicking, check
• 2:33:18
  out, come on Pond by me. And Dan Lapsley and we really we
• 2:33:22
  really go hard. So if you want away or absolute
• 2:33:25
  singing, it's crazy. It's check out how about with me
• 2:33:28
  and meals or all right. Oh, lovely.
• 2:33:32
  But that's the joke. This is the joyful part about
• 2:33:35
  this podcast. I think so.
• 2:33:37
  Anyway, this format I think I've disagree with everyone so far
• 2:33:41
  except for you Matt you know wait for you to say something.
• 2:33:43
  Outrageous. Oh I've seen your tongue doing
• 2:33:47
  that catch up. I mean that was a highlight.
• 2:33:51
  You do bought the temperature like in that commentary.
• 2:33:55
  Good God. You must santara.
• 2:33:59
  All right, should I go? Can we talk about the one story
• 2:34:05
  of the year that I have? Absolutely no clue what I think
• 2:34:09
  about utterly ambivalent on it because I think it's both superb
• 2:34:13
  and extremely boring and that is the story in the engine which is
• 2:34:17
  the episode that everyone sings to adore.
• 2:34:20
  You go listen to those comments. After I'm done everyone
• 2:34:23
  absolutely fucking loves this. We're opening new Avenue of
• 2:34:27
  Doctor Who storytelling? Well we might be doing now but
• 2:34:30
  we're doing it one fucking room with a ton of exposition you
• 2:34:34
  know with the cheapest location shoot we've ever had in our
• 2:34:37
  lives Cardiff. Has Nigeria.
• 2:34:39
  It's very painful obvious at times, isn't it?
• 2:34:42
  That I haven't gone anywhere. We got a tiny little bit of
• 2:34:44
  footage of a crowd. And then the worst Market seen
• 2:34:48
  you've seen outside of fucking menusa of the doctor going
• 2:34:51
  around. Always picking things out from
• 2:34:54
  the it's a story that's so slow to explain itself like the
• 2:34:58
  middle part of this episode sags in terminally when we're in
• 2:35:03
  that. Barbershop and I know there's
• 2:35:05
  lots of interesting ideas being thrown in the air but we are
• 2:35:08
  just sitting around talking what the fuck did the kids think of
• 2:35:13
  this? They must have been so bored
• 2:35:14
  talking in a single location like that.
• 2:35:17
  I just don't think that's what we should be aiming for for
• 2:35:20
  Saturday night TV and we're wasting Belinda again what she
• 2:35:24
  doing on the left in the Harvest exactly the same way she was
• 2:35:28
  shot in that box in the reality War.
• 2:35:30
  You know, she's clearly is never supposed to be here in this
• 2:35:32
  season and I think from The whale onwards that is patently.
• 2:35:38
  Clear, that no one has a clue what to do with her.
• 2:35:40
  She's not acting in any of the stories and she turns up here
• 2:35:43
  where the doctor literally has to have an emotional reaction to
• 2:35:47
  her character. That's her whole function here,
• 2:35:49
  she literally doesn't affect the plot one iota.
• 2:35:54
  However I do think there are new ideas.
• 2:35:57
  This is a new way of looking at Doctor Who I really liked the
• 2:36:01
  exploration of how we tell stories.
• 2:36:03
  I like the fact that we are there in to do an exotic peek at
• 2:36:07
  a completely different culture. And I think we're almost there
• 2:36:10
  to actually showing You know the the positives of exploring that
• 2:36:15
  culture. There's a great Central villain
• 2:36:18
  performance here. You can feel the weight of the
• 2:36:20
  years in that performance that aching that anger.
• 2:36:23
  He's terrifyingly still on powerful what times really
• 2:36:27
  impressive. And I think this is shooting
• 2:36:30
  here is most impressive as well. He's comfortable in this episode
• 2:36:33
  in a way he is like no other episode for the first time.
• 2:36:38
  It feels like there's more to stop other than just up front
• 2:36:40
  emotions that, he gives all the time that there's layers of
• 2:36:43
  History to uncover. About this particular,
• 2:36:46
  incarnation of the doctor and the idea that he used this as
• 2:36:50
  like a bolt hole of safety, you know, and a place to be.
• 2:36:54
  So social in a really positive way.
• 2:36:55
  I really love all of that. But then with suddenly on the
• 2:36:59
  back of a giant spider and people are having mazes tattooed
• 2:37:03
  into their heads and I don't know, I just don't know that
• 2:37:07
  this episode is structured in a way that I can comprehend
• 2:37:11
  really, what's happening half the time and I did sort of Come
• 2:37:15
  Away With It thinking, you know, I was quite bored for about two
• 2:37:19
  thirds of that episode whilst being intrigued with what it was
• 2:37:24
  trying to tell me. I think it would be amazing on
• 2:37:28
  the stage, the story in the engine, but as an episode of
• 2:37:32
  television on a Saturday night, I think it's quite dull.
• 2:37:37
  Yeah, I think I'm gonna be in it.
• 2:37:38
  I'm gonna pin it and I realize my vote doesn't count and unless
• 2:37:41
  it's a draw, and then it does. But, yeah, it's kind of dull
• 2:37:45
  this. Does anybody have any objections
• 2:37:50
  for me next good because it's happening?
• 2:37:55
  Um, the I I, you know, I also don't know how I feel about this
• 2:38:00
  100% because I think the first 10.
• 2:38:05
  Or so minutes of this, he's genuinely intriguing and the
• 2:38:10
  Last. Yeah, 10:50 minutes, it has
• 2:38:14
  interesting things going on, but that middle portion I think does
• 2:38:18
  weigh it down. So there's a lot of talking
• 2:38:20
  without it seeding enough of its plot.
• 2:38:24
  I think like he said the maze in in the cornrows is a very A very
• 2:38:29
  interesting idea that I didn't know about.
• 2:38:31
  I've never heard this, right? That's a bit of history that I
• 2:38:34
  learned from watching Doctor Who and I love that.
• 2:38:36
  But it's also used to set up and pay off in the story.
• 2:38:39
  But it's set up about two minutes before it pays off, and
• 2:38:41
  that's not how you do set up and pay off that needs to happen.
• 2:38:43
  So much early on when they've been sitting around for half an
• 2:38:47
  hour with nothing happening. I think you can tell that the
• 2:38:50
  New Orleans is a theater writer for this and I think some of it
• 2:38:56
  stagey aspects is interesting. Some of it not so interesting.
• 2:39:00
  You're right. I this was the story where I
• 2:39:03
  could have noticed, okay, well, we didn't have, we didn't have
• 2:39:05
  Poland in lucky day. She wasn't overly involved in
• 2:39:10
  the well, she had enough to do, but it wasn't life-changing.
• 2:39:13
  And now he she's in the Tardis here.
• 2:39:17
  Which I don't think I, I think that could be interesting if she
• 2:39:20
  if she kept the hottest, she spent the whole story in the
• 2:39:22
  Tardis but there was a subplot happening there.
• 2:39:25
  Again, I don't know what it would be but if there was a
• 2:39:26
  subplot happening with her in the Tardis, I think that'd be
• 2:39:29
  fine. But when she turns out to the
• 2:39:30
  barbershop there are there are 10 minute passages of dialogue.
• 2:39:33
  Where she stood out of focus in the background, not saying
• 2:39:36
  anything. There is no need for Belinda to
• 2:39:38
  be here and that is a real shame.
• 2:39:40
  I think he said he was given nothing about a character just a
• 2:39:44
  rough outline which is so yeah. It yeah, you can.
• 2:39:49
  And you can feel it because all of those other characters have
• 2:39:53
  at least something to contribute to the story.
• 2:39:55
  They at least have something going to go for them.
• 2:39:57
  Right? Did you not feel like you were
• 2:40:00
  watching the happiness for sure? What time is watching this?
• 2:40:02
  Like the way that everybody just sort of tells spills out their
• 2:40:05
  entire backstory for a story? You know, it's just like So one
• 2:40:09
  of Happiness Patrol. Yeah, it's a production on the
• 2:40:12
  TV. Whatever happened to patrol is
• 2:40:14
  great. Um, oh on the other hand though,
• 2:40:21
  I think that some of the newer stuff of Doctor Who has kind of
• 2:40:26
  been at its best when we are investigating cultures, and
• 2:40:32
  people that I I would not otherwise be exposed to on
• 2:40:37
  Telly. So really ever and especially on
• 2:40:40
  a Saturday night, I felt culturally enriched by the
• 2:40:43
  story. I like Learning about its some
• 2:40:47
  of its myths, and its stories IO.
• 2:40:48
  I think the Nancy the spider is generally a bit Superfluous but
• 2:40:53
  it was a fun bit of law from Nigeria to learn.
• 2:40:56
  I never would have learned just nice to get out that Barbershop
• 2:41:00
  for a while on it. Reading the short story penned
• 2:41:03
  beforehand as well about about the child meeting.
• 2:41:06
  The doctor was also quite riching.
• 2:41:08
  I like the animation style. Um, I I don't have a problem
• 2:41:13
  with a set and a Cardiff back alley.
• 2:41:15
  I thought I personally, maybe I'm in the minority here, I
• 2:41:18
  thought it doubled very well for Lake OS, but I've already talked
• 2:41:22
  about that money that right. When you've got that, out of
• 2:41:25
  money, being poured into this show, you couldn't do a trip to
• 2:41:29
  Nigeria. But again, I, you know, I, I
• 2:41:32
  think it's, it's maybe not as much as being.
• 2:41:35
  But why do they were to South Korea, the dirty worker and
• 2:41:38
  those? No extra money there.
• 2:41:39
  So, you know, I did animation better.
• 2:41:41
  And can you hear me as well? Um but I also I'm not immune to
• 2:41:46
  a bit of fanbase and I think it was very nice and the right
• 2:41:49
  decision to have the fugitive doctor.
• 2:41:51
  Turn up in the story, as that sort of acknowledgment of whilst
• 2:41:54
  we're celebrating shooting at was the Blackness and that sort
• 2:41:59
  of being part of the character and not just a source of, you
• 2:42:01
  know, as a personal thing. It's, you know, he's the first
• 2:42:03
  black doctor and the doctor is aware of people like this.
• 2:42:05
  Having Having The Fugitive doctor show up, you know, as, as
• 2:42:10
  the first, you know, actual black doctor felt like a nice
• 2:42:15
  moment of recognition. Um, but yeah, I don't think
• 2:42:19
  it's, I don't think it's perfect but I think I lean more on the
• 2:42:23
  Eileen, more on the keep it side.
• 2:42:24
  And I'm Gonna Keep it just because it's at least trying for
• 2:42:28
  something interesting and trying to expose people to something
• 2:42:31
  that otherwise we wouldn't have any idea about.
• 2:42:33
  So anyway, I do agree with you actually.
• 2:42:35
  I think if I watched us on my own I would have kept it but I
• 2:42:39
  added me, my ear, the whole episode guide.
• 2:42:41
  This is so boring. Oh my god.
• 2:42:44
  When will this be over? So yeah, that's tight.
• 2:42:47
  Mark, you? It was my most anticipated and
• 2:42:50
  it was probably also the one that I felt most let down by but
• 2:42:54
  I still don't think it's it's terrible and I think it's got
• 2:42:56
  enough good things going for it. It's worth keeping it in my
• 2:42:58
  opinion. Lovely.
• 2:43:01
  Okay, that's go for Paul. What do you think about the
• 2:43:06
  story in the engine? I love this a bit.
• 2:43:08
  It's my favorite story that season along, with 73 yards,
• 2:43:12
  they're the only two stories that will last.
• 2:43:15
  They're the two that will come back to the political discourse,
• 2:43:18
  start this season, as we've said, is really important, but
• 2:43:21
  the right arriving to be beaten now or they're going to be
• 2:43:23
  driven from government in about 10 years, time and hung by their
• 2:43:27
  heels. Like, fascists always are these
• 2:43:29
  are the stories that count because it is about story.
• 2:43:33
  I'm going to talk. I won't have much to have about
• 2:43:35
  the other stories. This is the story that I along
• 2:43:38
  with which one is that? I've got a lot to say, actually,
• 2:43:40
  not that much. And Joe about this, the sets it
• 2:43:45
  has to be like that because it is a stage playing here and hell
• 2:43:49
  when we are up at Target. The last day City, he's just a
• 2:43:51
  rip off of Barbershop Chronicles, it is Barbershop
• 2:43:53
  Chronicles because that's, that's salama's most famous play
• 2:43:56
  and it was television. I was watching, was that I
• 2:43:59
  thought it was television. Oh, the vision, did you watch
• 2:44:04
  Desmond's? Because that's the other
• 2:44:05
  cultural reference point, that care and held never heard of and
• 2:44:08
  it broke my heart because it gets the point about how
• 2:44:11
  important the barber shop is culturally when I went to South
• 2:44:14
  London a bit more in Desmond's. Yeah, but that's missing the
• 2:44:18
  point is that Desmond has has made that movement from Jamaica
• 2:44:21
  to here. It's a migrant story and it
• 2:44:23
  becomes a place for Desmond and Port pi.
• 2:44:26
  And then they mix with Matthew from Garner.
• 2:44:29
  And so you get a kind of tensions within the black
• 2:44:32
  community. And then of course, Desmond's
• 2:44:34
  children's white friends are there and it becomes a great, a
• 2:44:36
  great space for interaction and Community engagement.
• 2:44:40
  And of course it comes posts, the bricks and riots as well.
• 2:44:43
  It's not set in bricks. And my wife reminded me.
• 2:44:45
  So with that working here, because we can see there, this
• 2:44:49
  is the doctor as a black man. And he tells Belinda.
• 2:44:52
  There are places where and we've already heard it in 50s America.
• 2:44:56
  But now we're, we're totally explicitly, there are places
• 2:44:59
  where my black skin is not. Well, cooked and he's found a
• 2:45:02
  home for the figure who really has a home.
• 2:45:04
  That's really important and when, when he discovers he's
• 2:45:07
  been betrayed and that place is no longer safe, that she got was
• 2:45:11
  best performance by a country. Mile, he burns through that
• 2:45:14
  screen, their anger at the barber having betrayed him
• 2:45:18
  because he's always felt safe there.
• 2:45:19
  And then he wonderful physical act in.
• 2:45:22
  Look at how he uses his arms. It's amazing performance as kind
• 2:45:25
  of tension there in his arms. I think your point about the
• 2:45:29
  children watching. They may know more of this
• 2:45:32
  because they do Far More on Black History Month in school
• 2:45:35
  now than we think. So they tend to know a Nancy's
• 2:45:38
  light. I teach on an anti on my fairy
• 2:45:40
  tales and module and the students often know more about
• 2:45:44
  an anti because they've done it. And I think Anansi and Loki
• 2:45:47
  really important how they were in this story because they're
• 2:45:49
  tricks to gods. And what What we get there is
• 2:45:52
  that the the Storyteller who's taking over The Barbershop who
• 2:45:57
  you're right. Joe, he's absolutely a real
• 2:45:59
  figure of genuine Menace. The music is making us feel
• 2:46:02
  afraid. The fact that he can dominate
• 2:46:04
  the doctor at various points is really significant.
• 2:46:08
  But he's had his story stolen from him.
• 2:46:10
  These are the gods. These districts have stolen his
• 2:46:13
  stories. And so there's there's a
• 2:46:14
  metaphor going on there. Both for I think AI stealing
• 2:46:20
  from creatives creators being turned over.
• 2:46:22
  I was, I was fascinated to see some of my work is including
• 2:46:26
  that long list of work that's been lifted by meta to train his
• 2:46:29
  large language models. But all so it's about how
• 2:46:33
  Britain can't acknowledge its past its slave owning past and
• 2:46:37
  how the proceeds from the plantations in the West Indies,
• 2:46:43
  paid for the Industrial Revolution, that's where the
• 2:46:45
  capital comes from. And there's a yeah, they take
• 2:46:48
  the capital from the black man, but they don't acknowledge it.
• 2:46:51
  That's why Nancy so important in this text because an anti is
• 2:46:55
  from what's now the Gold Coast. And of course, when you, when
• 2:46:59
  you steal, when you kidnap, you forcefully, remove people from
• 2:47:03
  the Gold Coast in that long period, when Britain has a slave
• 2:47:06
  trade, because Britain's wonderful trick of it ends the
• 2:47:10
  slave trade and never talks about when it has a slave trade,
• 2:47:13
  because what the fuck do people think was going on in America
• 2:47:14
  before? 1776 is the British slave trade,
• 2:47:17
  and Nancy is a character who survives that movement, the few
• 2:47:22
  who survived, the voyage across the Atlantic.
• 2:47:26
  Linguistically. They're broken up into other
• 2:47:28
  language groups because the British are afraid of a slave
• 2:47:32
  Uprising and Nancy survives. In Pigeon, in Creole, and he
• 2:47:37
  changes his character, he goes from being the God, he's the god
• 2:47:40
  of story. His father is is what we would
• 2:47:43
  recognize as the monotheistic God.
• 2:47:45
  And so there's this about creation, and speech, and Life
• 2:47:48
  coming from speech and stories related to that.
• 2:47:51
  And so, a Nancy changes depending on who tells the tale.
• 2:47:55
  And then the slave owners don't want to be this powerful
• 2:47:58
  figures. Then you get this, these stories
• 2:48:00
  where he comes. This kind of this idiot.
• 2:48:02
  Dad, he's got this fat son. He's got another son and the
• 2:48:05
  daughter and crucially, he loses the door, has a various points
• 2:48:08
  and so that that the doctor becomes that type of figure
• 2:48:11
  because he lets announced his daughter down.
• 2:48:14
  When Joe Martin comes in, we reveal the essentially
• 2:48:17
  announced. His daughter has been Joe,
• 2:48:19
  Martin's companion and she's left her there.
• 2:48:22
  They get away with not being on it for, in it, for last
• 2:48:26
  exercise, because this is a male only space.
• 2:48:28
  This is about male friendship and male communication.
• 2:48:31
  And so it's significant went and Nancy's daughter, is it Abner
• 2:48:35
  comes in and she's complicit in this.
• 2:48:37
  And then Belinda comes in it comes this kind of disruption of
• 2:48:40
  that male space. Hair.
• 2:48:43
  Of course, is really significantly.
• 2:48:45
  If you looked at any did discourse in the last couple of
• 2:48:47
  years around and People of Colors Hair.
• 2:48:51
  And I touching the hair. White people have been
• 2:48:53
  fascinated by the hair and touching it.
• 2:48:55
  Russell Howard, like one of the worst comedians in the country
• 2:48:58
  saying I didn't know as a problem that's because, you
• 2:49:01
  know, black people Russell when you were growing up and so the
• 2:49:04
  hair becomes really significant and then it gets his extra
• 2:49:06
  cultural significance. When we discover, it was used as
• 2:49:09
  part of the, the Escape Routes out of slave owning and areas
• 2:49:13
  and that's slow build up in the middle.
• 2:49:17
  I think is really significant. He gives a still space.
• 2:49:20
  It gives this sense of Building of tension, but also the
• 2:49:25
  expansion of story. We now have a space in a Doctor
• 2:49:27
  Who episode to tell it's not about White Britain or America.
• 2:49:32
  It's telling us about something else and he's about Nigeria, but
• 2:49:35
  it's all about the migrant experience because the
• 2:49:39
  barbershop chronically, he's working in the background.
• 2:49:42
  I think the the use of the window as marvelous, as well as
• 2:49:47
  a PN to story. And as a discussion of race
• 2:49:51
  particular, race is poisonous in much to the rest of the story.
• 2:49:54
  You can see what the doctor needs this space.
• 2:49:56
  The fact that no one dies as well, I think he is wonderful.
• 2:49:59
  I love it to be. It's an acquired taste.
• 2:50:02
  I can tell that but it's the one all come back to it might be my
• 2:50:08
  favorite in the last five years. When they hear a story, no.
• 2:50:14
  You don't have any way. I saw some of his books back
• 2:50:17
  there. I met him.
• 2:50:18
  I wanted to see how good he was. I challenged him and me, baby,
• 2:50:21
  write me. The shortest story.
• 2:50:23
  You can he wrote it in six words?
• 2:50:25
  Sure, as hell. You want to hear mine.
• 2:50:34
  I die. I'm born.
• 2:50:42
  My stories, my voice. And gave me NeverEnding power,
• 2:51:39
  he's taken out of the engine. You can't process that power.
• 2:51:44
  Your engine could overload and explode will not be sucked into
• 2:51:48
  space. You will not do that.
• 2:51:51
  You will not. Know.
• 2:51:56
  Not. Okay, so let's go across sort of
• 2:52:35
  comments Mark Donaldson says, what this era solely needed from
• 2:52:39
  the Star a script that enliven its leading man, a spotlight on
• 2:52:43
  a culture that Doctor Who rarely explores and a compelling story
• 2:52:46
  about stories and who gets to tell them, I adored it Jack
• 2:52:51
  Colour, is it my favorite of the era know?
• 2:52:53
  But it's probably one that belongs to this year of the
• 2:52:56
  most, a Charming tale about stories in the power of this
• 2:52:59
  community. One, that means so much to this
• 2:53:01
  doctor, Michael storm, best at the season, who would afford
• 2:53:04
  doctor who goes to Nigerian, Desmond's, would lead to a near
• 2:53:08
  masterpiece Karen, Powell RTD went and saw The Barbershop
• 2:53:12
  Chronicles and when I'll have that was that So that's what
• 2:53:17
  it's based on. A new elements, wrote it.
• 2:53:20
  Oh and Noah's exactly the kind of talent I wanted for this era,
• 2:53:23
  a fresh perspective on Doctor Who as one big story and a story
• 2:53:27
  generator. I can imagine many and academic
• 2:53:30
  essay being written about it. Colin Hicks, some fantastic
• 2:53:33
  Concepts but was crippled by being locked into the Doctor Who
• 2:53:36
  format. Paul Kresser.
• 2:53:37
  I really need to re-watch this as I had.
• 2:53:39
  Absolutely no idea what was going on.
• 2:53:41
  When I first saw it. Did you telling everybody these
• 2:53:45
  that I can close? I didn't say that Anthony
• 2:53:53
  Carroll new. Who's goes like it was a bit
• 2:53:55
  hard to follow at first like but my God I loved it.
• 2:53:59
  Such an original idea with beautiful imagery and Simmons.
• 2:54:02
  Cinematography genuinely felt like a breath of fresh air to
• 2:54:05
  all the other episodes that echoed last series.
• 2:54:08
  Possibly, my favorite episode of RTD2.
• 2:54:10
  Daniel Knight felt a bit too, wordy to catch a younger
• 2:54:14
  audiences imagination, but was well, written and performed.
• 2:54:17
  But two episodes in a row Belinda, has nothing to do love
• 2:54:20
  seeing Joe Martin shame. It was just for what felt like a
• 2:54:23
  gratuitous Cameo. Gratuitous say, gratuitous
• 2:54:28
  actually John Arnold my favorite episode.
• 2:54:30
  Oh my God, everyone loves this, my favorite episode in a very
• 2:54:33
  long time. I distinctive authorial voice
• 2:54:36
  telling a layered story about the power of stories in a
• 2:54:38
  theatrical style. Yeah.
• 2:54:40
  But with 50 million fucking dollars.
• 2:54:41
  John in, you were Elms brings what he does so well to the
• 2:54:46
  show. Yeah.
• 2:54:46
  Feels like he's also meeting who part of this home, Canon
• 2:54:49
  gorgeous Kieran Evans the most inventive of the season, but it
• 2:54:53
  does just come down to a bunch of blokes stuck in a room for 40
• 2:54:57
  minutes. The visualization window is used
• 2:55:00
  a couple of times but probably needed to be used a little more
• 2:55:02
  for this one to fully land in the best story.
• 2:55:05
  Since Jody left, different powerful, and A groundbreaking
• 2:55:09
  Masterpiece, finally, this era does something truly fresh and
• 2:55:12
  creative too bad. We can get more like this.
• 2:55:14
  Jason Thompson, the absolute highlight of the series with a
• 2:55:19
  new writer doing something. The series had not done before
• 2:55:21
  it felt it felt both small scale, mostly in one room and
• 2:55:26
  huge all of humanity under threat.
• 2:55:28
  I really enjoyed it. Keep loose recall.
• 2:55:31
  My favorite by a country. Mark gosh, everybody loves this.
• 2:55:34
  It felt so fresh and sincere and it tackled the Deep magic of
• 2:55:37
  stories. So well, it gave people who live
• 2:55:39
  in the culture of barbershops as gathering places recognition and
• 2:55:43
  familiarity and it gave those who don't and it gave those who
• 2:55:47
  don't have the opportunity to know and it gave those who don't
• 2:55:52
  an opportunity to see and learn and find out more afterwards by
• 2:55:55
  other means, if they wanted to and Daniel's Lee confounding in
• 2:56:00
  Manchester City. And so utterly unique for Doctor
• 2:56:03
  Who probably should have been the show's, proper New Direction
• 2:56:06
  when RTD came back, not Sure, all of it, works in terms of
• 2:56:09
  staging and budget, but it's chock.
• 2:56:11
  Full of ideas. Shooting is incredible.
• 2:56:13
  And the guests performance is out of this world rather I
• 2:56:17
  should hope you have now been sufficiently educated and so why
• 2:56:20
  that was a good episode or not boring?
• 2:56:21
  We'll go back and watch it. I think we absolutely should.
• 2:56:30
  Matt, what do you make of the story in the engine?
• 2:56:34
  Um, Annoyingly. I think, in many ways we have
• 2:56:39
  the same mind, Joe. This is the one that I'm most
• 2:56:42
  conflicted about in the season. I was really looking forward to
• 2:56:45
  this. I love there's some book A book
• 2:56:48
  says called Children of Blood and Bone, which is a kind of I
• 2:56:52
  think it is called a very fancy by Tommy edmi, and it's kind of
• 2:56:57
  a fantasy set in a fantasy version of Nigeria, and I was
• 2:57:01
  really looking forward to The sort of a different, a different
• 2:57:07
  voice, a different set of culture.
• 2:57:09
  And what we kind of got was the mine dropper with the spider.
• 2:57:13
  Brain. I thought it was very stagey.
• 2:57:17
  Very confined. I wanted to know more about the
• 2:57:20
  stories. I wanted to wanted more of this
• 2:57:22
  culture and I fell out like in. So in some ways I felt like I
• 2:57:27
  knew more about menusa and the planet was more real than the
• 2:57:32
  vision we got of Legos. And some of the history and
• 2:57:35
  stories we got in this, obviously not wanting to
• 2:57:38
  minimize the stuff that we did get because it was genuinely
• 2:57:42
  interesting. My favorite thing about it was,
• 2:57:45
  I think there's a point where They talk about the pantheon of
• 2:57:50
  gods being created by man and I thought that was a really
• 2:57:55
  interesting idea and it might have been really interesting way
• 2:57:57
  to explore the Gods. Plot further.
• 2:58:01
  It was a fascinating thread that I didn't feel.
• 2:58:06
  Was pulled. elsewhere in the series not necessarily a problem
• 2:58:11
  in this story because it raises the idea, I, Thought.
• 2:58:20
  It was. I wanted more from it that I
• 2:58:24
  didn't get and I also it's hard to articulate this, but I think
• 2:58:29
  there was this. I agree with all the points
• 2:58:32
  about the doctors are feeling safe in this space, but I also
• 2:58:35
  think there's something around the doctor doesn't have that
• 2:58:39
  weight of history and culture. The. the people of Nigeria
• 2:58:46
  Lagos, the people who who have Ancestors who were slaves.
• 2:58:54
  The doctor has a character was a white woman, you know, a year
• 2:58:59
  ago. It's And there's something there
• 2:59:03
  that I think might be interesting around, is the
• 2:59:08
  doctor kind of culturally appropriating. a little bit
• 2:59:11
  because you know just because he looks like these people, he
• 2:59:15
  isn't these people and he doesn't have their history
• 2:59:18
  doesn't have that culture and that there was something there
• 2:59:23
  that I thought was going to be interestingly explored as they
• 2:59:27
  were sort of telling stories and I don't think it really got very
• 2:59:31
  far into that space. Felt Belinda was very sideline
• 2:59:34
  again and I felt that was a problem.
• 2:59:36
  I kind of ultimately I kind of felt like there was lots of
• 2:59:40
  stuff. There's lots of talk, some stuff
• 2:59:43
  happened. I don't feel like it Coheed and
• 2:59:47
  something that particularly gripped me. while at the same
• 2:59:52
  time, really liking the fact that it wasn't just You know,
• 2:59:58
  say more old. Same old, we are so much for we
• 3:00:04
  are and I kind of I feel conflicted because I feel like
• 3:00:10
  I'm wrongly trying to expect too much of an episode.
• 3:00:14
  That's just like a middle series episode of Doctor Who.
• 3:00:18
  But um, yeah I didn't. It was the most disappointing
• 3:00:23
  episode of the season for me, because I was really looking
• 3:00:26
  forward to it going in and I felt quite flat by the end of
• 3:00:30
  it. All David.
• 3:00:35
  I'm on the fence with this one. Oh my God.
• 3:00:39
  I have a big big issue with this and and I'll try and articulate.
• 3:00:45
  This is elegantly as possible. This is set in Lagos.
• 3:00:51
  And we were watching it and there are some there's some
• 3:00:54
  footage of they got. I think they might have actually
• 3:00:55
  gone because there's a credit for Legos unit in the credits.
• 3:00:58
  Awesome. Turns to me.
• 3:00:59
  It's like that's beautiful interesting country.
• 3:01:02
  Pissy, we can't go. and, Homosexuality is illegal in
• 3:01:08
  Lagos. It's 14 years prison in maximum
• 3:01:13
  sentence, the parts of the country where it's much more
• 3:01:15
  death. This thing's if you're a game
• 3:01:21
  man, particularly lgbtq she keeps your queer like that.
• 3:01:24
  It is not a safe place. and, but this series where they've been
• 3:01:32
  very open in talking about the politics and pulling things up,
• 3:01:37
  Talk about in cell culture, we're talking about the right
• 3:01:39
  way and everything like that. Fact, that the author nor
• 3:01:44
  Russell chooses. To say anything about.
• 3:01:48
  It's not acknowledged and shoot. His performance is toned down.
• 3:01:53
  Is less of the babes less of everything like that.
• 3:01:55
  It's, it's go look at the whale where he walks in and the fella
• 3:01:59
  goes, yeah, don't call me babes or whatever is like, oh yeah,
• 3:02:01
  all right. We are like he's full of in the
• 3:02:04
  well, and he's toned. Maybe that's why this is
• 3:02:07
  possibly one of his best performance.
• 3:02:08
  It's I, Really struggle when they're talking about, you know,
• 3:02:14
  and I saw people have to say, oh, so inclusive and it's like,
• 3:02:17
  it isn't some respect. And this is why it's conflicted,
• 3:02:19
  because he's a different culture.
• 3:02:20
  It is exploring something that's different.
• 3:02:23
  But it's doing it somewhere. Where it's like I I was
• 3:02:27
  certainly is a gay man. I am not welcome.
• 3:02:32
  And I struggle with that. And that that's a big issue.
• 3:02:37
  The stuff about being, you know, this is a, this is a play.
• 3:02:40
  I don't mind to play it on television now, I watch a lot of
• 3:02:42
  all television, so I don't know me have a problem with things
• 3:02:45
  being static, or slow, or character driven. this is really
• 3:02:50
  static, once they get into that Barbershop And you know, I can't
• 3:02:55
  really remember repeat what you've been saying because it's
• 3:02:59
  the same thing. It just doesn't feel very it,
• 3:03:01
  feels like a play. It feels like this is a play the
• 3:03:04
  foot on television, but they haven't done much to to amend it
• 3:03:07
  and change it. Apply with 15 million dollars
• 3:03:11
  pumped into it. I didn't like the doctor's
• 3:03:16
  reaction to almost betrayal. I thought that was very almost,
• 3:03:20
  I mean, I understand, you know, points been made, but I just
• 3:03:24
  thought, you know, the reason why I betrayed him, they're
• 3:03:28
  trapped in the shop, they're in this situation, he knows that
• 3:03:31
  the doctor might be a means to escape and survive, and that
• 3:03:35
  sort of thing has happened to the doctor in the past.
• 3:03:36
  He's been betrayed in the past, but the level of anger that he
• 3:03:39
  has just felt very Doctrine, but maybe, you know, taking on some
• 3:03:45
  of the points that are made, maybe that makes more sense.
• 3:03:50
  Whereas Belinda, I've just literally written a point
• 3:03:52
  saying, where's Belinda? You know, she's been a joke.
• 3:03:55
  She's listening to spare parts and that artists.
• 3:03:57
  You could do what I was books, but just don't put her in any of
• 3:04:00
  the pictures. They could have done something
• 3:04:03
  with her own. I mean, again, is the original
• 3:04:05
  series plan was not. This was going to be the
• 3:04:07
  companion, a companion, light Story.
• 3:04:09
  The doctor goes off on his own. Whereas maybe if it was Ruby was
• 3:04:12
  going off to and you'd have two separate stories running in
• 3:04:15
  parallel. But they've had to kind of
• 3:04:16
  insert lucky days or yeah, that makes sense.
• 3:04:19
  So there's just something where it's like the shoehorn terrain,
• 3:04:22
  she doesn't really add anything to it.
• 3:04:23
  The characters could have been coming a bit of nothing but the
• 3:04:27
  reason why I'm on the fence is There's some really interesting
• 3:04:31
  ideas. This is a culture, I don't think
• 3:04:32
  about, but it's interesting and it's different and it's
• 3:04:35
  exploring things. It's again it's moving away from
• 3:04:39
  British white culture, American culture, it's something new in
• 3:04:43
  different. I thought the haircut with the
• 3:04:47
  map, I thought that was quite nice idea.
• 3:04:49
  I thought that was something quite interesting. but, yeah, I
• 3:04:55
  think there's just it's Just didn't quite work for me, I mean
• 3:04:59
  the gay things, my issue and that's my issue.
• 3:05:03
  But away from that So it's really quite static.
• 3:05:07
  The animations were nice, the way it was going to visualized.
• 3:05:10
  It's like it's a piece of television.
• 3:05:13
  A television in 2025, made in 2025, it's just doesn't work for
• 3:05:17
  me. So, For me, not say this coming.
• 3:05:23
  So, it's because they've only one of those comments was on
• 3:05:26
  this call with this sort of flown through everyone, loved
• 3:05:28
  it. I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get
• 3:05:30
  comments from people, I'm gonna get angry comments.
• 3:05:32
  I know that you will end up in a prison cell, but for different
• 3:05:35
  reasons, Yeah, I thought, yeah, I yeah.
• 3:05:38
  I I tried to sort of, you know. Think about things that I didn't
• 3:05:44
  like Alex. I thought it was gonna be a love
• 3:05:46
  for storing the engine. So imagine that five white men
• 3:05:51
  executed in this episode. Good grief.
• 3:05:56
  I just moved on quick. I didn't execute it.
• 3:05:58
  No, you did it. You did.
• 3:06:00
  I didn't, I've quibbles, but I like it.
• 3:06:04
  But here's the thing. Here's the interesting thing,
• 3:06:06
  with some of the discourse around this season and also the
• 3:06:08
  Jody era is that if you criticize it.
• 3:06:13
  The accusations from certain parts of the family.
• 3:06:15
  If you recognize this era, you're racist, well, no, I'm
• 3:06:18
  commenting on a piece of Television that I didn't
• 3:06:20
  necessarily gel with That does not make not like in the Jody
• 3:06:25
  era. It doesn't make me sexist.
• 3:06:27
  Not liking this here. It doesn't make me homophobic,
• 3:06:29
  but there are people in the fanbase, who will say that and
• 3:06:32
  believe that. And that is, and I kind of
• 3:06:34
  really, really annoyed. When after the end of the
• 3:06:38
  series, it was like they were just anybody who didn't like us
• 3:06:39
  hater. You hater, you're a bad person.
• 3:06:41
  It's like, what? Because I just didn't like a
• 3:06:43
  piece of television as much as you did.
• 3:06:45
  It's it's very passionate and it's like, The fact that we'll
• 3:06:51
  be people will say, oh yeah the five white men condemned that
• 3:06:53
  story it's like but the reasons what know three four three three
• 3:06:57
  sorry three fairs free gay men. Do could end up in a prison cell
• 3:07:02
  so you might be awesome there but we all acknowledged that it
• 3:07:07
  was good that we were getting story from a different culture.
• 3:07:09
  Yeah definitely. Yeah I think moisture here.
• 3:07:12
  I love the fact that we're going somewhere else.
• 3:07:14
  I want to see it. I want to see a back alley in
• 3:07:16
  Cardiff. I want to see that place.
• 3:07:18
  Which looks stunningly, beautiful.
• 3:07:20
  And I don't want 50 100 ideas throwing at me.
• 3:07:23
  I want one or two really, well explored ideas, and I've never
• 3:07:27
  seen fishing seconds of Television get so much
• 3:07:29
  excitement, which is, when the future of turns up, I did.
• 3:07:32
  I timed it again? I timed it again 15 seconds, and
• 3:07:35
  it's like she spends more time. Being interviewed about her
• 3:07:38
  appearance and she does in her actual.
• 3:07:40
  Okay, she's my delicious 4 minutes now and so it means that
• 3:07:44
  big finish now have a few more photographs for the cover art
• 3:07:47
  perfect, but it was a good 15 seconds.
• 3:07:50
  It was a really good, 50 seconds, I was very meaningful.
• 3:07:53
  Big content. Good question.
• 3:07:55
  Very good content. I for one, I'm quite surprised
• 3:07:58
  that Joe Ford has taken umbrage with back alleys and Cardiff Is
• 3:08:05
  it, is it time to do the the second half of the overview
• 3:08:09
  comments? Now?
• 3:08:11
  David Renee says, I owned by it overall.
• 3:08:14
  Why was that David? Well, it was because the stories
• 3:08:18
  were very complicated. I'll need to revisit most of
• 3:08:20
  them just to make sense of them. The companion who I liked, but
• 3:08:24
  was a big downgrade on Ruby a quick lash ending due to behind
• 3:08:28
  the scenes stuff. And the doctor leaving when
• 3:08:31
  we've hardly seen him. That's what Dave had to think.
• 3:08:38
  We've got Melvin Pena maybe the strongest full season of hashtag
• 3:08:42
  Doctor Who since Peter, Paul this one.
• 3:08:43
  So maybe even since the original Donna sees and addition to
• 3:08:47
  editions to law of fun, and open up the possibilities of a new
• 3:08:50
  whole new Race of Time, Lords out there, wandering the
• 3:08:52
  universe, great new writers, Jason Thompson writes.
• 3:08:57
  I think that it's a hell of a mess.
• 3:08:59
  And if this is the end of the current TV run, it's a graceless
• 3:09:02
  tumble into Oblivion, rather than Trump and finish.
• 3:09:05
  He's weird in congruent. Shooting hero was sold as a new
• 3:09:09
  start, crowned in so many, callbacks it collapsed on the
• 3:09:12
  way to the It's Mass. Yeah.
• 3:09:16
  Oh sorry. I forgot that you didn't do one.
• 3:09:19
  So, this is Dale Smith, Dale says, little things like
• 3:09:23
  introducing Belinda with a speech about not liking her
• 3:09:26
  name, being shortened, and then, having the doctor call her Bell
• 3:09:29
  to bigger like introducing Belinda into a series Ark about
• 3:09:33
  Abandoned babies or making unit. Look like ice showing RTD.
• 3:09:37
  Not as in control of his tone as usual.
• 3:09:40
  But right as another book now. All right, please.
• 3:09:44
  Luke Simpson Jenkins. Series 15 is a mixed bag.
• 3:09:49
  Yay. A companion.
• 3:09:50
  A lot. I'll start there again.
• 3:09:52
  Yeah I can I like oh never mind We're not gonna do anything with
• 3:09:55
  her because we'd rather develop Ruby Bloody Sunday.
• 3:09:59
  Yeah. I don't talk to the never had an
• 3:10:01
  episode with any classic baddies.
• 3:10:02
  They should all meet the Daleks, at least once minimum, Care
• 3:10:07
  116th, similar to season a slash one slash 40 just a little bit
• 3:10:12
  better, wet fart at the end. Heaven Bianca some visual
• 3:10:20
  Delights throughout the season like Luxe solid storytelling on
• 3:10:24
  the whole, but some major disappointments Bell turning out
• 3:10:27
  to have no character development and shooting doctor just being
• 3:10:30
  met. I just didn't chime with his
• 3:10:33
  portrayal. Actually Carroll, who states?
• 3:10:37
  He's too broad and Too Deep serious.
• 3:10:40
  Serious a series. I was actually enjoying right up
• 3:10:42
  until Interstellar song contest where it went downhill rapidly,
• 3:10:46
  but it does great early potential is wasted and the
• 3:10:49
  doctor is a toxic manicure and the doctor is a toxic
• 3:10:52
  manipulator. I've never felt an audience care
• 3:10:54
  less about I've never felt an audience cared less than who is
• 3:10:59
  Mrs. Flood teases. Sac are TD Sac, Julie, girl,
• 3:11:03
  etc, etc. Was anybody in there with the
• 3:11:08
  who is Mrs? Flood mystery.
• 3:11:10
  I love this is flood. You are from from the very first
• 3:11:15
  episode, I mean, yeah. I didn't care who she ended up
• 3:11:17
  being, but I love seeing her on screen.
• 3:11:19
  You saw her hand in it from the very beginning.
• 3:11:24
  Should have said that first one? Yeah, I love.
• 3:11:28
  Oh, fabulous people, Pete, I'm grateful to Bad Wolf, a stepping
• 3:11:33
  into keep doctor at the table of modern sci-fi television.
• 3:11:36
  Is it safe for me? I also pulled the show Embrace
• 3:11:39
  his long. Undeserved intent to embrace
• 3:11:42
  underserved intent, to embrace diverse cultures everywhere,
• 3:11:45
  including on both sides of the camera.
• 3:11:47
  The sadly RTD got hooked on the week of callbacks he in Renee
• 3:11:52
  says, I enjoyed what there was of it, but it felt like half a
• 3:11:55
  series and that felt like half a commenting but they So memorable
• 3:12:01
  human beings says largely success but the finale is
• 3:12:04
  flawed. I hated it when I watched it
• 3:12:06
  because I immediately whether he shoots occurred and it didn't
• 3:12:09
  quite gel as it should have. But overall a week finally,
• 3:12:12
  doesn't. Doesn't much to the strongest
• 3:12:15
  Who season since moffett's exit. I think there may be some
• 3:12:19
  grammatical errors there. Well done, David, but it's
• 3:12:23
  interesting. That's come up a few times.
• 3:12:24
  People saying it's the best season since 2017 since 2017.
• 3:12:28
  So people really do not like the triple era.
• 3:12:30
  Well that must be honest. Oh sorry we just talked about
• 3:12:34
  that. Well, Michael storm says an
• 3:12:37
  improvement on students a but I don't think RTD as quite got the
• 3:12:41
  hang of planning out short of Seasons.
• 3:12:42
  Even if they are supposedly linked shooting has been done.
• 3:12:46
  And as such, I don't think we really seen his doctor's full
• 3:12:49
  potential but Linda as well performed, what are rather than
• 3:12:51
  nothing character in the end, and just fuck the hell off with
• 3:12:54
  Kate, and the fucking unit cup price agencies Shield, the non
• 3:13:00
  RTD episodes are generally the best The Sideburns greatest
• 3:13:04
  enemy. Richard Gould says, mostly it
• 3:13:06
  felt like deja vu of the previous series, the bread of
• 3:13:09
  the sandwich Premiere. And two part finale was fairly
• 3:13:12
  crappy while the meat Epps 2 to 6 was actually pretty great and
• 3:13:17
  again it suffered from setting up a bunch of stuff law that it
• 3:13:20
  didn't pay off. But in a season with fewer
• 3:13:23
  episodes in which is trying to hook a new generation of fans,
• 3:13:26
  the setup and the payoff are really weighing everything down
• 3:13:29
  which is a shame on the individual.
• 3:13:31
  In quote marks regular episodes show that they're still a lot of
• 3:13:35
  life in imagination and left in the show.
• 3:13:40
  Thanks Richard. A few people have said, you
• 3:13:43
  know, Eight Episodes is too short and I was like, you can
• 3:13:46
  develop interesting characters and Dynamics in your regulars.
• 3:13:49
  In a episode you can develop interesting character in 45
• 3:13:52
  minutes. I think it's if you don't want
• 3:13:54
  to do it, I do. I mean look at what we think Joe
• 3:14:00
  reset look at down in flux is in six episodes and look at the
• 3:14:03
  impact he makes. So I don't buy the first the
• 3:14:08
  first season of Twin Peaks, one of the most seminal pieces of
• 3:14:11
  Television ever made is a long I genuinely don't buy the it needs
• 3:14:16
  to be 13 to get proper character development.
• 3:14:19
  I think, I just know, I don't agree with that.
• 3:14:21
  Sorry, where we're all personally offer off a little
• 3:14:23
  bit. Oh, I found Twin Peaks a bit
• 3:14:25
  boring. So he I've never seen it.
• 3:14:29
  However, I'm a massive. I'm a massive, David Lynch fan.
• 3:14:31
  I prefer a lot of his other work but like, you know, it's at the
• 3:14:34
  foundation for a lot of like telling stuff and it is only a
• 3:14:37
  episode. It's kind of amazing.
• 3:14:38
  Really wonder if you go I like my Wayland says a week opener
• 3:14:48
  and an absolutely atrocious finale but the rest of the sea
• 3:14:52
  was good to great here in that quite a bit getting bad and not
• 3:14:57
  bad in the middle. I just say you wouldn't have
• 3:14:59
  more TV out, Twin Peaks, you said with the X-Files as the
• 3:15:03
  twin, James says, excellent apart from the interstellar song
• 3:15:07
  contest. I mean, the great TV show ever
• 3:15:09
  and wish World which weren't like I was on the school, by the
• 3:15:16
  way, I just you know, I guess a little above average, tell him
• 3:15:19
  that God's Sykes. It's all this.
• 3:15:22
  So I still win. But the less said about the
• 3:15:25
  final episode, the better really should have just left it as it
• 3:15:28
  was. And if need be have another
• 3:15:30
  off-screen regeneration. It and count.
• 3:15:35
  Wibbly, I don't believe that's your real name, but let's go
• 3:15:38
  with it. Count, wibbly says the stories
• 3:15:40
  and writing, when mostly excellent.
• 3:15:42
  It's a shame, the final 20 minutes when to skew.
• 3:15:47
  I thought it was a middle-aged here with the odd person.
• 3:15:52
  Really liking it overall, At least it wasn't count.
• 3:15:56
  Wiggly wobbly time. You owe me.
• 3:15:58
  She would she We are I haven't got this wrong.
• 3:16:04
  We are counting Joy to the world, aren't we?
• 3:16:06
  We are last unfortunately. Yes.
• 3:16:08
  Well in that case gentlemen, well everybody let me kick Joy
• 3:16:15
  to the World. While it's down but get a few
• 3:16:17
  more licks in am I? I have I have not made any
• 3:16:23
  secret on my own platform that I'm not particularly big fan of
• 3:16:26
  Steven Moffat, but I always like to stop too with an open mind.
• 3:16:31
  I was underworld by boom. I just don't get. the hyper and
• 3:16:37
  the way that he writes stories personally, And this is
• 3:16:41
  absolutely no, no exception. Um, for me, it tends to be, it's
• 3:16:47
  the, it's not even the overarching plot that I can't go
• 3:16:50
  with which, I mean, for me for a Christmas Day.
• 3:16:53
  Romp. Where's the Christmas?
• 3:16:55
  It's non-existent, it's just a self-indulgent fault for a
• 3:17:00
  hotel. Um, I I always, always, always,
• 3:17:05
  always disliked how convoluted it is because it makes it
• 3:17:08
  difficult to follow, but not in a way that is, genuinely
• 3:17:11
  intelligent in a way that it makes, it feel like it's trying
• 3:17:14
  to be intelligently told, you know, really, I'm not smart
• 3:17:17
  enough to understand these, you know, you know, we don't know
• 3:17:21
  how lucky we are to have someone this sophisticated right and for
• 3:17:25
  dogs. Oh, but you know you can write
• 3:17:26
  clever simple stories. Yeah, it feels.
• 3:17:30
  That's the thing. It feels convoluted.
• 3:17:33
  I think a lot of it feels like trading old Greyhound scenes
• 3:17:36
  where the doctors argue themself that.
• 3:17:37
  Why doesn't have a chair in the Tardis?
• 3:17:39
  I mean the whole I thought the whole point of like 15 stocks to
• 3:17:42
  and obviously some of this I think is present in serious, one
• 3:17:45
  was going to be this kind of fun.
• 3:17:47
  Loving new man that doesn't have the baggage of the past and we
• 3:17:51
  were just gonna move into Camp, best friend territ, And that was
• 3:17:55
  a door that I was quite happy to see opened and I think it, he so
• 3:17:58
  boring. In this, it's full of trite.
• 3:18:01
  Cliches, and mortars of all instead of the doctor actually
• 3:18:04
  being quirky. Let's have him.
• 3:18:06
  Bring in a pumpkin spice. Latte and a cheese toastie
• 3:18:08
  because that's wacky. Um I hate they advertised it
• 3:18:12
  with that same. I was just like I couldn't wanna
• 3:18:15
  watch this less. I was at my parents on Christmas
• 3:18:18
  Day and last year, not last year the year before I made them.
• 3:18:22
  Watch the church and Ruby Road on boxing day because I was
• 3:18:24
  very, very excited to see you together.
• 3:18:26
  Take on the character this year they were going right?
• 3:18:29
  Okay so we've got Wallace and Gromit.
• 3:18:31
  We've got Kevin. You want to watch Doctor Who?
• 3:18:34
  I said no. They said why.
• 3:18:36
  I said I cannot I just can't do it.
• 3:18:39
  I watched it about three days after um, just to say my
• 3:18:42
  Christmas Day from being spoiled.
• 3:18:43
  Um, I don't, I it's all the way more fans and I just don't like,
• 3:18:48
  I don't like Joy as a character coming into a hotel.
• 3:18:53
  Just walking around a room kind of going.
• 3:18:55
  Oh god. Oh golly.
• 3:18:56
  I'm alone. But we never actually explore
• 3:18:59
  why. This is why she is in a hotel on
• 3:19:02
  Christmas Day. We know she's a lot.
• 3:19:03
  But what's actually happening that character?
• 3:19:05
  Um, then, of course, she complains to the doctor about
• 3:19:09
  him mansplaining and there's nothing wrong with that, but
• 3:19:14
  then she immediately undercuts it by being weakly homophobic.
• 3:19:19
  Which is so fixing. Oh, the doctor he mansplaining
• 3:19:23
  to me know. Oh, what are you shacked up with
• 3:19:25
  this lizards you bloody queer. It just so Steven Moffat line it
• 3:19:30
  is. I've got it written down here.
• 3:19:31
  Okay? Um, Yeah, I I just I thought it
• 3:19:35
  was. I thought it was laughable and
• 3:19:36
  dull and and for me to get a bit serious for a second because I,
• 3:19:39
  you know, I like just completing that Steven Moffat I personally
• 3:19:43
  and I think will be an interesting discussion.
• 3:19:45
  I, I did not think the story. And its representation of the
• 3:19:51
  characters, mother dying from covid.
• 3:19:56
  It felt personally to me just slightly slightly tasteless to
• 3:20:00
  give us a bit of a, an emotional job on, on Christmas day.
• 3:20:05
  In a way that felt to me, personally, slightly
• 3:20:11
  exploitative of a real world tragedy that felt slightly too
• 3:20:14
  soon because it's not actually wanting to explore anything
• 3:20:17
  within that. Um, and then, yeah, I mean, she
• 3:20:21
  then Joy. Police says, I'm I'm a star and
• 3:20:25
  then gets eviscerated into nothing.
• 3:20:29
  And it all turns out that that's the birth of Christmas.
• 3:20:31
  I just I cannot stand it. I can't even make a hearing
• 3:20:34
  points about why I can't stand it.
• 3:20:35
  I just feel it in my bones and people complain about Russell T
• 3:20:38
  Davies. But let me tell you, Stephen
• 3:20:39
  moffatt in this episode. That is the writer at the height
• 3:20:43
  of his ego, believing that anything you produces is gold
• 3:20:46
  when actually it's shit. And so, there we approached the
• 3:20:56
  comments of Joy to the World. We'll start with Gareth Bailey,
• 3:20:59
  a huge, Stephen, moffatt fan pure, whip it shit with tinsel.
• 3:21:04
  It does not give focus on the story and disappears offer a few
• 3:21:08
  years on something more interesting before returning to
• 3:21:10
  the bird turkey at the main store.
• 3:21:14
  Jason Thompson says to close to reach.
• 3:21:18
  What am I talking about it? Now he hasn't put a second that
• 3:21:21
  are in two steers to close. Oh here we go.
• 3:21:24
  Shopping out. These comments.
• 3:21:28
  Start again. Jason Thompson says did too
• 3:21:31
  close to recent and traumatic rerun.
• 3:21:33
  Oh God, Jason Thompson, says steered too close to recently
• 3:21:38
  real world events and ended up. With.
• 3:21:44
  Jason Thompson says steered too close to recent and traumatic,
• 3:21:47
  real world events and ended up with a Sci-Fi explanation than
• 3:21:51
  that, Christmas story. So it was deeply uncomfortable
• 3:21:55
  to watch and the doctor didn't even do anything.
• 3:21:57
  In the end in his comments are always tongue twisters or I am
• 3:22:00
  just telling you now. Michael storms says, while it's
• 3:22:03
  grown on me, since my initial viewing, I'm still binging it
• 3:22:06
  won. The whole Star of Bethlehem,
• 3:22:07
  bollocks, at least make it the evening star.
• 3:22:10
  No, not the newspaper and to the covid stuff, I must prefer my
• 3:22:14
  who to use metaphors, particularly on something recent
• 3:22:16
  Jack. Jolla says not too bad as a bit
• 3:22:20
  of fluff but I probably wouldn't watch again for a while.
• 3:22:22
  I'm sure someone is clipped up the need to content like and
• 3:22:26
  watch that on YouTube. Not very well directed.
• 3:22:28
  But the performance is a solid and she has great chemistry with
• 3:22:32
  most of the main characteristics.
• 3:22:33
  Daniel rules. We just, when we thought he was
• 3:22:35
  out, they pull him back in. Excuse me, Daniel rosslea The
• 3:22:39
  Moth returns again for an appallingly ugly, looking
• 3:22:42
  Christmas special. That reached The ground.
• 3:22:44
  Even the Anita subplot just feels like he got bored of Right
• 3:22:48
  In Joy. Halfway through what's that
• 3:22:50
  about? I felt nothing.
• 3:22:52
  Can someone else? Please write for Doctor Who now
• 3:22:55
  Dale Smith contains the best right thing, hang on.
• 3:22:59
  Let me say that again contains the best writing Moffat has ever
• 3:23:01
  done for the show. Loose in Jenkins.
• 3:23:04
  Brought up memories. I didn't want it to fuck this
• 3:23:07
  story. Daniel, no, sorry I was just
• 3:23:10
  shocked. Then for a second Daniel Knight,
• 3:23:13
  says once again, Moffat writes, the doctor as a snarky bully
• 3:23:17
  belittling Trevor Joy, while emoting over a dying solar, and
• 3:23:21
  he hardly knew the fact that the B plot with Anita resonates
• 3:23:24
  better than the, a plot speaks volumes to Stephanie Wally and
• 3:23:28
  better chemistry with shooting the Nicola.
• 3:23:30
  Coughlan, the bit he shouting at Joy is absolutely a boring but
• 3:23:36
  on Christmas day of all days offered decides to Shit on
• 3:23:40
  Christianity by bastardizing the Star of Bethlehem hoping never
• 3:23:44
  writes for the series. Again there was a bizarre choice
• 3:23:47
  of choice on a religious holiday Kieran Powell.
• 3:23:51
  I honestly love this. Well someone had to skipping
• 3:23:55
  about here and their past future and present having 50 stuck in
• 3:23:59
  one place for a year, might be the best thing to happen to his
• 3:24:00
  doctor. Let him slow down for once.
• 3:24:03
  Unlike most other stories are having constantly go the Star of
• 3:24:06
  Bethlehem, thumbs down emoji and John arnhold, I can't hate an
• 3:24:12
  episode with which explicitly goes into I know John Arnold.
• 3:24:18
  I can't hate. Uh, John Arnold says, I can't
• 3:24:21
  hate an episode, which explicitly goes in two-footed on
• 3:24:24
  Boris Johnson on Christmas Day and gets away with it.
• 3:24:27
  Unfortunately, the joy parts are fairly weak in comparison to the
• 3:24:30
  doctor and Anita's generally touching relationship.
• 3:24:39
  Can I go next gorgeous? Well, Stephen Moffitt doesn't
• 3:24:43
  know this, but on the 15th of December 5th, I sat with my mum,
• 3:24:48
  for three hours and waiting for her to take her last breath.
• 3:24:52
  Yeah. And it was true that most
• 3:24:54
  miserable and chilling experience of my entire life and
• 3:24:58
  the quick the Christmas Day this was on.
• 3:25:00
  He didn't notice either Marvel was a way somewhere else, so I
• 3:25:03
  sat down to watch Doctor Who I couldn't wait.
• 3:25:05
  You know, even though it was Steven Moffat, I know there's
• 3:25:07
  gonna be a dinosaur and it was gonna be really excited.
• 3:25:09
  Engaging and fun. It's gonna take my mind off.
• 3:25:12
  The fact that I'm alone this Christmas and I can't see my mom
• 3:25:14
  and give her a lovely present, all this and though there's a
• 3:25:17
  fucking woman in a hospital bed at the end of this dying.
• 3:25:20
  He literally rubbing it in my face, like it's just wrong on so
• 3:25:24
  many levels and I know other people in Jenkins as well.
• 3:25:27
  Who had exactly the same reaction just vitriolic anger.
• 3:25:31
  How dare you put this thing on the screen where potentially
• 3:25:35
  people in your audience have lost people at Christmas.
• 3:25:37
  It's just so irresponsible. Calling begin to describe it
• 3:25:41
  beyond that. The Star of Bethlehem thing I
• 3:25:44
  think is the ultimate, like, one finger in the face to religious
• 3:25:49
  people watching Doctor Who, and I think they've been pushed out
• 3:25:52
  for quite some time now. And this, like, Daniel and I
• 3:25:55
  know, he just he had the same reaction at the end of this.
• 3:25:58
  But for that reason because he's a Christian and he just found
• 3:26:01
  the whole thing. Deeply deeply insulting.
• 3:26:03
  So those two things are the main reasons I want to Fucking kill
• 3:26:07
  this episode. I was like this is the worst
• 3:26:09
  episode of Doctor Who but then the robot Revolution, followed
• 3:26:12
  it up spoiler for later. But beyond that.
• 3:26:16
  Yeah, the whole fat weird like a OCD thing of Stephen Moffitt
• 3:26:21
  putting weird things on the screen all the time, like he
• 3:26:24
  can't focus on one thing, you know, there's a dinosaur we're
• 3:26:28
  going in and out of that door. We're doing this, we're doing a
• 3:26:30
  weird fast like just literally just stopped running for a
• 3:26:34
  second. Stop trying to throw random
• 3:26:36
  bulshit ass and pretending his entertainment and just tell a
• 3:26:40
  fucking story. It's so frustrating beyond that.
• 3:26:44
  The direction of this episode is a polling that flat light.
• 3:26:48
  It's like we've got the flood lighting from the 80s back but a
• 3:26:51
  hotel. If I want to that hotel without
• 3:26:53
  horrible garish, flat lighting. I'll be straight out their
• 3:26:58
  hideous and it is the most egregious use of boring long
• 3:27:02
  shots in the entirety too here. I can't believe they put this
• 3:27:07
  out on Christmas day looking like this.
• 3:27:08
  And what's the girl's name from Derry girls?
• 3:27:12
  Nicola Coughlan. Wonderful actress.
• 3:27:15
  Brilliant in Dar es hilarious. Yeah, she doing in this, she was
• 3:27:20
  said it, didn't you I have no clue what it was all about.
• 3:27:23
  We could tell love. Alright, because you were in no
• 3:27:25
  way. Engaging with that character.
• 3:27:26
  Yeah, just on every level. This is a fucking turd.
• 3:27:31
  In it. A hate it, I fucking hate this
• 3:27:34
  episode. I like I don't get this.
• 3:27:35
  Angry about Doctor Who very often.
• 3:27:37
  That's one of the few times. I think Doctor Who is deeply
• 3:27:40
  irresponsible. I know I was in safe hands with
• 3:27:46
  with Joe. Man, would you like to go next?
• 3:27:53
  So I will hold my hands, apply forgot.
• 3:27:56
  This episode existed. As part of seriously, it's about
• 3:27:59
  10 minutes before we started the podcast.
• 3:28:01
  So I've literally got about two notes on it.
• 3:28:05
  It is to me, it's the TV equivalent of the silence.
• 3:28:08
  I think I forgot everything about it even while I was
• 3:28:12
  watching it. I seem to remember that the
• 3:28:15
  guest performance was quite fun, but there wasn't very much of
• 3:28:19
  it. Overall, I thought it was Steve
• 3:28:22
  moffat's. Worst Christmas special.
• 3:28:24
  I think I actually fell asleep watching it and I have never
• 3:28:28
  re-watched it. I woke up for the end the covid
• 3:28:31
  beer. I don't know that super angry
• 3:28:33
  but I did fall asleep in the middle or something.
• 3:28:35
  I missed all the Anita bits and I was told by everyone online
• 3:28:38
  how amazing those boots were. So I went back and watched just
• 3:28:41
  like I was bits. Oh she was so boring.
• 3:28:43
  I mean even she's doing conventions now.
• 3:28:45
  Can you believe they're making celebrities out of all of these
• 3:28:48
  non entities? It's okay.
• 3:28:50
  She came back in the reality War just series.
• 3:28:55
  You should have heard me in a film.
• 3:28:56
  I went oh fuck off. Like really with when it was
• 3:29:00
  revealed. I wish world, the Conrad was
• 3:29:02
  coming back. I was like oh not more of this
• 3:29:04
  prick. And then when it's when the
• 3:29:05
  reality War started and and the time Hotel became relevant, as I
• 3:29:08
  thought this, it was it was a real double whammy they settled
• 3:29:12
  over. Bloody baby.
• 3:29:18
  As work on up the game. And she fancy.
• 3:29:20
  So she Shacks up with any old person and other baby.
• 3:29:22
  Oh, just David. What did you think of Joyce the
• 3:29:29
  world? I mean, None was.
• 3:29:31
  Yeah mentioned the biggest issue with this the biggest continuity
• 3:29:35
  mistake in all Dr? History Anita open.
• 3:29:37
  No sorry that's no story cut that.
• 3:29:43
  Yeah, I can just keep it up, you're gonna decide.
• 3:29:50
  Yeah. I've got more to say It's saying
• 3:29:54
  something I was doing a lot of time time timing and clock
• 3:29:58
  watching with this one, this season, the Anita section, 10
• 3:30:03
  minutes. Screen time.
• 3:30:06
  Which you could just lock out. So I wonder what not.
• 3:30:09
  This is going to be a 45-50 minute or like, oh, shit.
• 3:30:11
  We need to put 10 more minutes in.
• 3:30:12
  You know, it really doesn't add very much and what's even more
• 3:30:17
  damning is that for me, that 10 minutes was probably the more
• 3:30:21
  interesting bit because at least they need a bit of a character.
• 3:30:26
  Because Choice certainly didn't. You know the fact that you know
• 3:30:31
  she's the top Bill guest star, she doesn't actually start
• 3:30:33
  getting any proper screen time or development until about what
• 3:30:36
  25 plus minutes into an episode. That's not How you treat?
• 3:30:40
  Yes, oh yeah. That's saying where she's
• 3:30:42
  arguing with him in the corridor.
• 3:30:43
  It's deeply unpleasant at how he is with joy.
• 3:30:50
  You know what you can tell about a person from the hotel.
• 3:31:23
  Hotel room. As you without makeup.
• 3:31:26
  That's what you think. You need.
• 3:31:29
  Just what you're willing to accept.
• 3:31:35
  No, selfie you post for more like, Catching yourself in the
• 3:31:41
  mirror. What's your mirror telling you
• 3:31:43
  Joy? is the worst lonely, as Saddest
• 3:31:52
  hotel room in the world. Does everybody burst out
• 3:32:26
  laughing when your mother? Into your squishy little baby
• 3:32:30
  face. And then she Joy was a joke.
• 3:32:33
  7-Eleven. Don't you dare talk about my
• 3:32:37
  mother. She sounds like a riot.
• 3:32:40
  She's dead. She died in hospital.
• 3:32:42
  I couldn't even visit. I had to talk to her on an iPad
• 3:32:45
  because of the room. Oh the rules.
• 3:32:47
  Yes, the rules. And I bet you're good or being
• 3:32:49
  those rules. Funny, Smiley, I'll be no
• 3:32:52
  trouble. Little you don't you say that?
• 3:33:04
  Never mind. Poor old mum, right?
• 3:33:06
  So good little girl. Is it being older rules?
• 3:33:10
  She died on Christmas Day. And I can never be with anyone
• 3:33:30
  on Christmas Day because I let her down.
• 3:33:35
  The last day of her life on Christmas Day.
• 3:33:45
  He's doing it for a reason. But yeah, it it's, it's
• 3:33:49
  unpleasant. It's not nice to watch the real
• 3:33:53
  world. Encroaching a doctor, the covid
• 3:33:55
  stuff, the stuff in the hospital.
• 3:33:56
  There's a reading of the scene in the hospital saying because
• 3:33:58
  obviously she this fairy dust and she goes off.
• 3:34:02
  You know, mum goes off and it's like, hang around and she kill
• 3:34:04
  her mother. At the end.
• 3:34:05
  Is that what happened now? I thought that was That's a step
• 3:34:10
  too far. It's uncomfortable.
• 3:34:11
  He leaves a really nasty taste in the mouth.
• 3:34:16
  I have a false memory because I thought it was a visual effect
• 3:34:18
  where you saw the star with Joyce in it and tell him he's In
• 3:34:25
  it. I actually think that might have
• 3:34:27
  been proved the episode. We had a really nice little
• 3:34:33
  smiley face in the star. That Yeah.
• 3:34:36
  Robot from robot Revolution like Nunu, they could have done it.
• 3:34:39
  Done a full scene of the free wise men and her face in the
• 3:34:45
  Daniel would have exploded Jesus Christ.
• 3:34:48
  He was there too but maybe that, you know, we've got the CBBC
• 3:34:54
  series coming soon. So maybe that's, you know, an
• 3:34:56
  idea that they could carry forward, what was he thinking?
• 3:35:00
  What's he thinking? He's the most, I've laughed a
• 3:35:05
  series for a long time? Yeah, it is because it's deeply,
• 3:35:07
  it's deeply offensive and deeply irresponsible.
• 3:35:10
  But seeing her become that star and then yeah it kind of ticking
• 3:35:12
  over to zero. Zero eighty I just I lost my
• 3:35:17
  mind. It do we have any artistic and
• 3:35:20
  somebody more about please the Teletubbies Star Wars.
• 3:35:24
  You can have the animation from the story in the engine appear
• 3:35:27
  in that. Oh yeah, I can't be bad but she
• 3:35:33
  there's no story to it. It's, you know, there's a star
• 3:35:38
  see that. And there's that bit where it's
• 3:35:40
  like, oh evil, like branding, it's like, From a show that he's
• 3:35:45
  got a brand manager and his incredibly branded, and they've
• 3:35:49
  got a line saying isn't branding evil.
• 3:35:50
  It's like, ultimately, I I do dislike as well, Steven moffat's
• 3:35:59
  own like with Boomer. Now this, when he gets like
• 3:36:02
  contracted to make a doctor who story that he's got his own
• 3:36:04
  little separate Cannon away from everything else.
• 3:36:06
  Like, you know, villain guard of the reoccurring villains and
• 3:36:09
  it's it's always only referencing his ear.
• 3:36:12
  It feels like he makes episode separate of everything else
• 3:36:14
  that's going on. So Rhymes his own episodes as
• 3:36:17
  well, RTD just pulls away from it and he does it.
• 3:36:20
  That's why that's why this was such a third needs Rusty, Davis
• 3:36:24
  set in a Starbucks in Swansea telling him that his shit and
• 3:36:27
  rewriting. It like a good eyes anymore,
• 3:36:30
  what? I've never seen it.
• 3:36:41
  I was I was washing up when it was on my wife and children
• 3:36:45
  watched him, my wife hasn't watched regularly since 2017.
• 3:36:47
  She watched the tenant on specials and she watched the
• 3:36:51
  goblin thing they quite enjoyed it and my daughter has kind of
• 3:36:53
  doesn't really like dog too. She likes vomiting Cybermen and
• 3:36:56
  she likes Billy is zygon. So she likes five doctors and
• 3:36:59
  and the doctor The Lads like Doctor Who though, and and then
• 3:37:02
  obviously Joe, I saw your response on social media, I saw
• 3:37:06
  Luke's Jenkins, obviously we've all lost some others in a
• 3:37:09
  relatively short period of time. PJ rocks, says that the bomb has
• 3:37:13
  been a mother and a child. He is unique.
• 3:37:15
  When he's broken through death, nothing's quite the same.
• 3:37:17
  Again, I think given our individual reactions to Moffitt
• 3:37:20
  playing around with funerals in death, in heaven indicates with
• 3:37:24
  slightly different pages but I haven't watched it.
• 3:37:26
  But as a bit of fun, my daughter puts together a fortune teller
• 3:37:31
  to decide. I was gonna go the young people
• 3:37:35
  here and pail and people in America.
• 3:37:37
  Fortune teller, begin the 1980s absolutely full If I have 10 in
• 3:37:42
  the future, you pick a color and you number, but in this
• 3:37:44
  instance, I've got popular Doctor Who monsters inside all,
• 3:37:47
  draw my daughter, Ward winning artist.
• 3:37:49
  Of course, she got a doctor who badge and blue Peter.
• 3:37:52
  So we've got the zygon. We've got Dalek, we've got the
• 3:37:55
  Candyman, the Weeping Angels. Did you do the thing adipose and
• 3:37:59
  vardy jokes. I know you love smile.
• 3:38:01
  So, oh, wow. Can someone say your colors are
• 3:38:04
  green? Gold, orange, and pink?
• 3:38:06
  Hey, did it. So I love the music.
• 3:38:12
  I and David can shoot between darling, zygon vardy and
• 3:38:19
  adipose. Marty, Marty Essentials V.
• 3:38:24
  A why? Oh she's between Candyman weaken
• 3:38:32
  Angel to do or putting candyman candyman X and choice k.
• 3:38:37
  A d. Why is it a space?
• 3:38:40
  Is it straight? Through straight through, okay,
• 3:38:43
  okay. And then Elliot, you get to
• 3:38:48
  choose between darling, zygon adipose, all vardy, Dalek
• 3:38:53
  please, I got me music. Bloody thing on.
• 3:39:10
  Well done. There's a recovered the most
• 3:39:16
  labored gag ever now. So let's see.
• 3:39:21
  Garlic. Is it going to be what's going
• 3:39:23
  to be anyway guys, in the bean? You see the Army, you can't
• 3:39:30
  argue with fat like that. Like coming soon you know
• 3:39:35
  Stephen moffatt will do a story based on the fortune teller and
• 3:39:39
  terrifying it is the brand management.
• 3:39:43
  People want one of those to Market.
• 3:39:46
  Well I think that's all I can't do them for several million
• 3:39:51
  pounds. They failure.
• 3:39:54
  I think. Oh, lovely.
• 3:39:57
  Um right. Let's let's go.
• 3:39:59
  We'll go back around. Paul a story to demo or
• 3:40:06
  Champion. A robot Rebellion, please.
• 3:40:09
  Absolutely. This story is real charm.
• 3:40:11
  I think it's a really important story.
• 3:40:13
  Genuinely, I only watched it for the first time last week and I
• 3:40:16
  was expected to be really sick because the robots are kind of
• 3:40:19
  bloody awful, aren't they? But actually, actually, I think
• 3:40:23
  it's worth keeping because it sets up where the story is going
• 3:40:27
  to go for the rest of the season in terms of its engagement with
• 3:40:31
  condemnation of in cell culture. It's not subtle.
• 3:40:35
  I think we can all agree. And I don't think it's meant to
• 3:40:39
  be subtle because Davis has no subtlety in this whatsoever.
• 3:40:42
  I think, I think it will take your point about and get a bit
• 3:40:47
  confused in lucky day, but David's assuming, Substitutes
• 3:40:53
  for the avoidance of doubt that he can't abide the not my doctor
• 3:40:56
  mob and that their racist homophobes.
• 3:40:59
  And in this instance misogynist and of course that coercive
• 3:41:03
  control is setting us up for the vision of the world that Conrad
• 3:41:10
  wishes into existence, at the end of the story, a Gilead, but
• 3:41:14
  with better clothing or behavior, but without the
• 3:41:18
  medication. So, you know, it's got that
• 3:41:22
  Paradox in it, so it's reasonably good in terms of this
• 3:41:26
  use of sci-fi because Davis doesn't really like sci-fi does.
• 3:41:29
  He's a paradox? However, in basically it is it
• 3:41:33
  shows that he's thinking out of the box.
• 3:41:35
  I think Belinda as some of the comments said, there's a really
• 3:41:39
  good opening episode. So, obviously they sat down on
• 3:41:42
  the thought about what they do. If they were going to have a new
• 3:41:44
  character much more than don't do anything with it for the rest
• 3:41:46
  of the Seas, and his kind of a throwback to maybe Martha, but
• 3:41:52
  Again, it's maybe part of this Echo chamber effect that we've
• 3:41:55
  got going on in the story here. I think the business about the
• 3:41:59
  robots malfunctioning is reasonably.
• 3:42:02
  Well done. I think I do the doctor being
• 3:42:04
  there in. What's a kind of weird version
• 3:42:06
  of the butler in Jihad from Butler and Uprising from June,
• 3:42:10
  it's quite interesting and it gives us an idea that there's
• 3:42:13
  been more going on for the doctor outside of the 16
• 3:42:17
  episodes. I think that's where we can try
• 3:42:19
  and make the case for that, he's lived the life as a black man
• 3:42:21
  that there are these Gaps in his in in the time that he has with
• 3:42:25
  the two companions. And weirdly enough, that there's
• 3:42:29
  a moment which you almost have sympathy for Alan, isn't it?
• 3:42:33
  And they're kind of the idea that he's been transformed into
• 3:42:36
  this cyborg. I probably didn't need the image
• 3:42:39
  of what we're going to do to Belinda because it made me think
• 3:42:42
  of Robert Vaughn sister from Superman 3 when she's
• 3:42:45
  transformed into the cyborg in the machine and that film scared
• 3:42:48
  me as a child. It still scares me now, it's not
• 3:42:51
  going to go through, but I think robot Rebellion because of it
• 3:42:54
  sets up a lot of the discourse and the political discourse in
• 3:42:58
  the story should be kept, but it won't be and I'm Gonna Leave it.
• 3:43:01
  Okay, so let's go over to the comments, the robot Revolution.
• 3:43:05
  Do I suppose McCoy that Revolution ace off?
• 3:43:12
  There's a fairly standard RTD season opener, quite light in
• 3:43:15
  tone, but on. But reasonably fun with a new
• 3:43:17
  companion, that wasn't gonna take any of the doctor's shit.
• 3:43:20
  It was all looking so promising and Yes, there was a hot gay guy
• 3:43:25
  in. It was Who don't know, anyway.
• 3:43:30
  Lisa McCall says, Made Me cross. I felt as if Belinda was put in
• 3:43:34
  a position where she could be blamed for what happened.
• 3:43:37
  Absolutely agree with that, and it never rectifies It Anyway.
• 3:43:40
  Michael storm, possibly the most Bland vanilla slice of knew who
• 3:43:44
  to date and awful choice of a season.
• 3:43:46
  Opener Belinda has possibly a strongest here but not really
• 3:43:50
  served. Well, everything looks a bit
• 3:43:52
  caricature, which would be fine if that were the story's tone,
• 3:43:56
  but it is not been Jason Thompson, solid opener, but the
• 3:44:01
  time jumps stuff is weird and left.
• 3:44:03
  Open-ended until literally the last episode of the season.
• 3:44:05
  With the doctor saying, I remember that certificate thing.
• 3:44:08
  I'll toss out the door to tie up that gaping plot hole.
• 3:44:11
  Love the aesthetic though. Kate says, the week is open up
• 3:44:15
  of all of new who question, mark for all of these fantastic and
• 3:44:19
  Nails every aspect of her character here and I like the
• 3:44:21
  Retro. Futurism aesthetic.
• 3:44:23
  Thanks, Jack mouthful and the doctors counting gimmick is fun.
• 3:44:27
  But the incel stuff is pretty crammed in and feels like it's
• 3:44:31
  one of several first drafts. John Arnold the usual
• 3:44:34
  lightweight RTD season opener in live and by the nice sleepy
• 3:44:39
  Direction and gorgeous retro design.
• 3:44:42
  Varada sethu is instantly engaging bonus points.
• 3:44:45
  For how enjoyably terrible. Max Parker is possibly the
• 3:44:48
  weakest performance since the show returned and that's Allen,
• 3:44:52
  isn't it? The boyfriend, Colin Hicks
• 3:44:54
  overly complicated in a way that you could see RTD changing
• 3:44:57
  direction. Each time you got a new idea,
• 3:44:59
  like a first draft that had gone direct to the actually filming
• 3:45:02
  this. I'm broadcasting it as it is
• 3:45:04
  stage. Kieran Evans, Slow, start
• 3:45:07
  gradually. Pulling me in a little sometimes
• 3:45:10
  interesting Direction at the end.
• 3:45:14
  Some interesting Direction at the end with the scroll, the
• 3:45:16
  touching sequence everyone. So we are self out before you
• 3:45:21
  write these comments please. And to me Carol, I really wish I
• 3:45:24
  would have been turned into a baby.
• 3:45:25
  Is that of some Splash on the floor?
• 3:45:27
  We could have had a message of rebirth.
• 3:45:29
  You're not distance to be stuck. All right?
• 3:45:31
  If you go down that pipeline, I've been with blonde, fell
• 3:45:34
  forces and Boomtown. They said, she can grow up again
• 3:45:36
  and I hope she'll have a better life and take it.
• 3:45:39
  That's true to the world to be Jesus.
• 3:45:48
  To change, can't Polish Polish this third of a resolution.
• 3:45:52
  Cameron Powell nice and simple opener, not too complicated.
• 3:45:55
  Again having the doctor actually plan and work his way up for
• 3:45:58
  over six months to librarian is an interesting Flair to this
• 3:46:01
  character. Makes me think there's more
• 3:46:04
  under the manic surface, where was this Belinda the rest of the
• 3:46:07
  season? I'll care and she's so hideous.
• 3:46:09
  In this episode draw. So angry when I said she's so
• 3:46:12
  awful. I don't want to spend a year
• 3:46:13
  with her Daniel and I felt like a typically big fun.
• 3:46:17
  RTD season opener, but lack the heart of partners in crime.
• 3:46:20
  Absolutely or even new Earth and episode that fell underwritten
• 3:46:23
  and really needed an extra, but let's balash Luke's ins fun.
• 3:46:29
  I love the Retro. Robot look the Bonkers premise
• 3:46:32
  and Belinda's the type of companion.
• 3:46:34
  I love and finally. Daniel Rosie says wretched,
• 3:46:37
  easily rtd's worst opener and the closest Doctor Who ever
• 3:46:41
  comes to that dreaded word content, any straight Bits Of
• 3:46:44
  Invention, get buried under a shockingly impersonal.
• 3:46:47
  Sludge of borrowed Moffat, he tropes and sci-fi stuff
• 3:46:51
  happening, give me Rose new Earth or yes, space babies over
• 3:46:55
  this any day. Wow.
• 3:47:00
  David good. Next More.
• 3:47:03
  This is a tough one. Because when we do these, it's
• 3:47:07
  always trying to judge an episode or a story on its own
• 3:47:09
  merits and not where it sits in a story arc.
• 3:47:11
  And you know, should you judge something on the basis?
• 3:47:15
  The fact that it doesn't, you know, the premise doesn't quite
• 3:47:18
  follow through and the resolution of the story arc at
• 3:47:21
  the end of the season doesn't quite work.
• 3:47:23
  There's bits in this. I really liked.
• 3:47:25
  I know, coming in off of Joseph, the world and Emperor of death,
• 3:47:29
  which I didn't like either. I do like things.
• 3:47:32
  I was just there are things that I like, it's just not around.
• 3:47:35
  This particular era doctor. I thought.
• 3:47:40
  Process gets off to me and interesting.
• 3:47:42
  Start, you know, she's got A little bit of spark a little bit
• 3:47:46
  of fire to that. We see, it's your shame that we
• 3:47:49
  really see it after this episode.
• 3:47:51
  I think even better get to lock the whole, you know.
• 3:47:55
  Where she pulls the doctor up on doing that scam and she's
• 3:47:59
  talking about consent and it's interesting that we get to the
• 3:48:01
  finale in, we were talking before about consent and it's
• 3:48:04
  like doesn't seem to bother her by that point.
• 3:48:06
  And even though it's like it's that scene at the end, it's
• 3:48:10
  Defining moment for the character shit.
• 3:48:12
  I'm not all of your adventures. Get me home and she has this
• 3:48:15
  real fire that we just never see again and I'm really
• 3:48:18
  disappointed because I thought this, you know, The doctor's
• 3:48:21
  quite annoying. He's quite full of himself when
• 3:48:23
  that scene where they've been the Tardis back and he's like,
• 3:48:26
  oh, Shut up and I was like she's not taking that she's not down
• 3:48:32
  with that and I quite like that because I think the doctor needs
• 3:48:34
  somebody to puncture sometimes that attitude and everything.
• 3:48:39
  but my main note and the first thing, I wrote part from fun,
• 3:48:43
  but flawed was pleased fuck's, sake find another voice artist
• 3:48:48
  Because it's it's Briggs again, isn't it?
• 3:48:51
  Oh, Nicholas. Briggs. it's like, you know,
• 3:48:54
  Russell's got one voice artist in his book because at least I
• 3:48:57
  think moffatt occasionally get other people in it's like oh
• 3:49:01
  Give another voice artists a chance.
• 3:49:03
  Please bring something slightly different to get a bit tired and
• 3:49:05
  just hearing every time we need a voice of a brain, Nick and I
• 3:49:09
  did like the is it every night word?
• 3:49:12
  Bit where the robots gonna I thought that was quite a nice
• 3:49:15
  little touch and I thought that sequence where the doctor
• 3:49:18
  communicates with her other, we have to have the flashback just
• 3:49:21
  in case we didn't, you know, we wouldn't paying attention.
• 3:49:24
  And how she responds. I thought that was nicely done,
• 3:49:27
  some nice bits but totally it's all over the place. and I think
• 3:49:33
  the bit that I think is really Odd.
• 3:49:37
  So Empire of death. Doctor takes on the god of death
• 3:49:42
  takes on sutekh, and he has to kill him and he's we paying and
• 3:49:47
  everything like that. And it's like you made me, you
• 3:49:49
  made me do this. You made me kill.
• 3:49:52
  Allen gets killed or gets turned into a sperm and an egg and gets
• 3:49:56
  killed funniest thing he's ever seen.
• 3:50:00
  And it's like, well, hang on. I thought you know, just it just
• 3:50:05
  jars, it's just these tonal inconsistencies were there, so
• 3:50:12
  Yeah, I think there's some interesting ideas in it.
• 3:50:14
  I actually don't mind the look of it.
• 3:50:16
  I thought the robots and the Tintin, space rocket and
• 3:50:19
  everything were quite, you know, the goal for a very comic book
• 3:50:20
  because aesthetic to it. But second first time around us,
• 3:50:25
  it was fun. But flawed second time around
• 3:50:26
  when I watched it for getting ready for this. it was like, Me
• 3:50:31
  bit cold. so, yeah, I'm gonna Another one of them.
• 3:50:57
  Oh, take care of Belinda, bye-bye.
• 3:51:26
  Okay, one one, keep one bin Matt, how are you feeling about
• 3:51:32
  it? um, I really like, Paul's
• 3:51:37
  analyzes. So I always feel bad if I
• 3:51:45
  Disagree with the conclusion. I think I would be this one.
• 3:51:49
  I think. I like Belinda. and I know to
• 3:51:58
  David's point was supposed to be looking at these on their
• 3:52:00
  merits, but I kind of look at Russell's previous companion,
• 3:52:04
  introductions with rose, Martha Ruby, even like Donna, Mark too
• 3:52:10
  when she has become a regular and I was just they just fell
• 3:52:15
  like There is more sense of who they were in in their life, who
• 3:52:20
  they were at that point in their life, what?
• 3:52:24
  Like other than Belinda saying, I need to get back.
• 3:52:27
  I don't know why she needs to get back.
• 3:52:30
  Like I I like instinctively that we're not going down the route
• 3:52:35
  of just someone else who immediately falls in love with
• 3:52:37
  the doctor. I think that's a nice character
• 3:52:39
  note but I don't it's really hard to understand what what why
• 3:52:44
  she so desperate to get back and it's so set against having
• 3:52:48
  adventures. And then when you get to the
• 3:52:51
  payoff of the season is like, I don't think we still know I
• 3:52:58
  found shooting his most Louie Spence, not for me, kind of yes,
• 3:53:09
  Queen high kicking annoying, which again, in those moments,
• 3:53:14
  its Point. Let's say, why blinds of a bit
• 3:53:19
  annoying, but it also annoyed me a bit I thought I did think, I
• 3:53:26
  said that couple of times. I thought his reaction to Alan
• 3:53:29
  being turned to a sperm that they get sucked up by a robot.
• 3:53:34
  I mean, it's kind of funny but it's also quite grim and it's
• 3:53:38
  not You know, that was a human being who regardless of anything
• 3:53:43
  else, the doctor? You know we we had Russell in
• 3:53:47
  his first run going. If you could decide who lived or
• 3:53:50
  died that would make you a monster, and then him just sort
• 3:53:54
  of laughing at that fate. kind of, I thought that was going to
• 3:54:01
  go somewhere this series, just so felt so Unlike who I think
• 3:54:06
  the doctor. Is.
• 3:54:11
  But I like Belinda. Thought was a bit of a big
• 3:54:14
  finish loving as well as Nick bricks.
• 3:54:16
  You've got Johnny Green who plays Tyler in their big finish
• 3:54:20
  torch with audios. So She like big Finnish?
• 3:54:27
  I'm not sure, I'm not sure. I got a huge amount of coercive
• 3:54:32
  control and other than Russell saying he's in himself and this
• 3:54:36
  is all about coercive control or not.
• 3:54:39
  Not sure that massively came through in the structural, all
• 3:54:41
  the plot, they, so Paul's point I appreciate it.
• 3:54:47
  You know, he's trying to do something with that theme this
• 3:54:50
  year. Because I didn't absolutely hate
• 3:54:56
  it. I'll finish space babies, but I
• 3:54:58
  would still be in My Benchmark, you prefer to space babies.
• 3:55:05
  I prefer I actually prefer to a lot of series.
• 3:55:10
  I never finished space babies. You're a better man than I am
• 3:55:14
  all. I think I also fell asleep when
• 3:55:16
  I was watching space babies and I've never really watched it.
• 3:55:19
  So, I think that space babies is infinitely superior to the robot
• 3:55:25
  Revolution. Charming, did you say what
• 3:55:28
  exactly was Charming about this? Lastly, sentiment Fest.
• 3:55:32
  I mean, this is good to look at David that horrible fuzzy
• 3:55:40
  pastels CGI, you usually the concept art for this episode, it
• 3:55:45
  was all pop art and shadows and absolutely gorgeous.
• 3:55:48
  How that got translated into that it is mach that everybody
• 3:55:53
  was badly Matty into in this episode I have no idea.
• 3:55:57
  I mean no point. Do you feel like you're on that
• 3:56:00
  planet? No point.
• 3:56:01
  It's horrible for special effects, stupid Stompy clunky
• 3:56:06
  Emoji robots from smaller back. It's got a hybrid between them
• 3:56:11
  and the robots from that, Sarah Jane episode, but worth than
• 3:56:14
  ever of them turning someone to an egg we're doing bloody blonde
• 3:56:18
  fell fetch from Boomtown again. That Stupid, Polish Polish
• 3:56:22
  robot, we're doing gadget, gadget all over again.
• 3:56:24
  There's just nothing original in this at all.
• 3:56:27
  Turned out, horrible Taste of old ideas.
• 3:56:30
  Um Alan is an ugly stupid looking faceless creep.
• 3:56:35
  Yeah, he's a dreadful misogynist.
• 3:56:37
  Yeah Belinda ain't much better either.
• 3:56:39
  Whoever says she was likeable in this.
• 3:56:41
  Are you mad? She's horrible in this.
• 3:56:44
  She's mean to, everybody. She's not up for the adventure.
• 3:56:47
  She's pushing against everybody. She's never funny Once in the
• 3:56:51
  story. He used to be so good at this
• 3:56:54
  introducing people that you loved and you're right, Matt?
• 3:56:58
  You'd know you knew who Martha was at the end of scene.
• 3:57:00
  One when she's having those phone calls with her family, you
• 3:57:04
  know. Donna was at the end of The
• 3:57:05
  Runaway Bride. What do we know about Belinda at
• 3:57:08
  the end of this episode fuckle? What do we know about the end of
• 3:57:11
  the season? Nothing.
• 3:57:13
  So, it's just so badly down. Oh, sorry.
• 3:57:16
  Will I go here? Murray's, hideous music,
• 3:57:20
  unsubtle bombastic Bee Movie score that literally drowns
• 3:57:25
  every single Scene, It needed something more subtle a bit more
• 3:57:28
  sort of weird to see you through but it just stresses how basic
• 3:57:33
  and crass. All this is I don't ya from
• 3:57:36
  Concepts from from conception to execution to Exposition I do not
• 3:57:42
  believe in the planet Miss Belinda Chandra for a single
• 3:57:45
  second and that's a problem. When we spend most of the
• 3:57:47
  episode, their Dreadful subplot about that badly, acted woman
• 3:57:52
  that apparently it's been a companion for a while that we're
• 3:57:55
  supposed to feel. Sorry about that.
• 3:57:57
  She died. Oh, give a fuk about that boring
• 3:58:00
  woman. Oh, Russell was happened.
• 3:58:02
  You used to be able to write characters so so well.
• 3:58:05
  Yeah, just on every level I thought totally this was
• 3:58:10
  misjudged. The money was spent in all the
• 3:58:14
  wrong ways. I hate it.
• 3:58:16
  Belinda at the end of this episode, I had no desire to go
• 3:58:19
  on adventures with her and that tedious shot of the calendar
• 3:58:25
  flying past the camera and the Eiffel Tower flying about.
• 3:58:28
  So suggesting that the end of the universe is coming.
• 3:58:30
  Oh fuck off bin, I hate it. This was the worst and this is
• 3:58:35
  worth and choice of the world. You're looking at it as normal
• 3:58:38
  drama. But it's not, it's it's Clinic.
• 3:58:41
  It's political discourse. So, of course, they're not meant
• 3:58:44
  to be real characters, and it's not meant to look a real plan.
• 3:58:46
  It's meant to look like Soviet era propaganda posters it's all
• 3:58:50
  brilliantly done. If you say so, I think this
• 3:58:54
  would be embarrassing. If it was going out though.
• 3:58:56
  In fact, I love Sarah, Jane Adventures.
• 3:58:57
  What my talking about the new CBeebies show is going to do a
• 3:59:01
  better job of producing an entertaining hour of Television
• 3:59:04
  than the robot Revolution. I was so, so, unhappy, watching
• 3:59:09
  this because I was really up for a fun, RTD partners in crime
• 3:59:12
  style story and I just came out of it thinking, this is just dog
• 3:59:16
  shit. This this show has gone to pop.
• 3:59:19
  Thank God locks came this because that was fun, at least.
• 3:59:22
  Yeah, I hate it. Sorry.
• 3:59:26
  For free and pirate Death. Joy to the World Robot
• 3:59:30
  Revolution. I've not been this disappointed
• 3:59:32
  since Series 7 B. When we had, oh God, what were
• 3:59:36
  they called Journey to the Center of the hardest Nightmare
• 3:59:38
  and silver and what was the other turkey around that time?
• 3:59:43
  Help me out people. I think I was not what time of
• 3:59:48
  the doctor was there as well from all.
• 3:59:50
  Yeah, the wheels have different. I don't know what you're talking
• 3:59:55
  about. Some cracking stories, tedious,
• 3:59:58
  let's move on. Well, so I I was, I was nervous
• 4:00:03
  going into the robot Revolution, you know?
• 4:00:05
  I I don't know how I felt about serious one and to quote, a
• 4:00:09
  certain doctor I hate funny robots.
• 4:00:12
  So I I was not I was not geared up for this series um but I I've
• 4:00:19
  got to come in swinging and say that if anybody dares listen to
• 4:00:24
  the come along Pond series to round up, this topped, my
• 4:00:28
  favorite of the series. Well, now, I know you're mad.
• 4:00:32
  This is the this is the best episode of this series because
• 4:00:36
  it doesn't take itself too. Seriously, it's got political
• 4:00:39
  messaging within it but it's just a romp through space which
• 4:00:43
  is what I've wanted for the longest time.
• 4:00:46
  Sorry about this, tell me what's wrong here about this.
• 4:00:48
  The action is so static, so he's terribly great.
• 4:00:52
  The whole point, the whole Central conceit of the planet
• 4:00:56
  being the, they've intercepted that style certificate and it's
• 4:01:00
  called misspelled into Chandra and they're called Miss Berlin
• 4:01:03
  to charge a kind. And they speak misled into
• 4:01:05
  Chandra and is is a hilarious joke that every time it was
• 4:01:10
  said, bought a huge Smiles. My face, I love Yes.
• 4:01:14
  The the I don't think the scenes especially outside on the
• 4:01:17
  platform look particularly convincing but I love the pop
• 4:01:20
  art. Like Paul said, there's a Soviet
• 4:01:23
  poster. Forbidden Planet, Inspired Real
• 4:01:25
  50s sci-fi, look to this, that the interior sets are gorgeous,
• 4:01:30
  that spaceship. That the robots are flying is
• 4:01:33
  beautiful. I love the joke of the AI
• 4:01:37
  generator being the owl generator is incredibly dumb and
• 4:01:41
  it is so funny. I loved it.
• 4:01:44
  It's like a big modern production of The Wizard of Oz.
• 4:01:48
  The big gleaming face in the in the metal and then don't look at
• 4:01:51
  the insecure little bitch behind the curtain because it was The
• 4:01:57
  Wizard of Oz. This was the cheap powder
• 4:01:59
  version, I don't think that yes, I don't think Russell does what
• 4:02:02
  and he didn't sell is and it may be makes the words lose their
• 4:02:06
  meaning when we just described anything to it.
• 4:02:08
  But I enjoy what it's trying to say.
• 4:02:12
  I don't really I feel like everyone has a point with their
• 4:02:16
  Doctor Who morality campus, where they let it slide, and I
• 4:02:18
  think him becoming a sperm and then being hoovered up by Polish
• 4:02:22
  Polish is deeply funny to be, you know, shocking really.
• 4:02:28
  But very, very funny from the opening scene of the doctor and
• 4:02:33
  the entire store and we had sort of A Westminster Bridge type
• 4:02:36
  School outside a hotel. I said we're we are back and
• 4:02:40
  this really set false expectations for a series.
• 4:02:42
  For me, I bloody love everything about the robot Revolution.
• 4:02:46
  The robots weren't annoying. I absolutely adored this story.
• 4:02:53
  But it's going in the bin. Could you justify how they seem
• 4:02:56
  to suggest that this is all Belinda's full and the episode
• 4:02:59
  goes to know way of correcting that assertion and it's in an
• 4:03:04
  episode about misogyny. I mean it's most of it doesn't
• 4:03:08
  make sense of talk about the blender, those what the artist
• 4:03:11
  is before. Before anyone's told her what it
• 4:03:13
  is. She's like, oh look, it's your
• 4:03:15
  Tardis. Now we know we're all gauges.
• 4:03:18
  Are poles apart? Yeah, yeah.
• 4:03:20
  I mean, a lot of it doesn't say, I don't care about the companion
• 4:03:24
  that he's been traveling with that.
• 4:03:25
  I've not giving any reason for the caring about why she dies.
• 4:03:27
  But I, I'm having the best time and I think this is a shining
• 4:03:32
  example of, of Russell T Davis writing Still running in the
• 4:03:39
  bin, right? But it's still going in at what
• 4:03:42
  meal has to say. Go get, well, David.
• 4:03:46
  You can choose between the internal song contest all the
• 4:03:49
  well. Mmm.
• 4:03:53
  One that I like one. That's On the fence with I'm
• 4:03:57
  going to go with on the fence, because I'm gonna sit by
• 4:04:00
  Interstellar song contest. I think if we've just had the
• 4:04:06
  comments, we're gonna have the comments.
• 4:04:07
  It's very controversial story for some people.
• 4:04:09
  I think it's quite divisive. and I can see why, and this is why
• 4:04:15
  I'm on the fence with it because I so what we have is a story
• 4:04:20
  about basically a massacre at a music event and then you have
• 4:04:27
  terrorist attacks and everything.
• 4:04:29
  And obviously there's been a lot of parallels drawn to stuff
• 4:04:32
  that's happened in the real world.
• 4:04:34
  And where I'm stuck is. when this was written and this would
• 4:04:38
  have been written, possibly, some point in 2023 was this
• 4:04:42
  written, With that in mind. or was it, is it kind of its
• 4:04:47
  parallel but coincidental because if this was written as a
• 4:04:51
  response to some of the stuff that's been going on the real
• 4:04:54
  world, That would make this incredibly crass and thought was
• 4:05:00
  particularly as you have your everybody lives.
• 4:05:03
  Conclusion, and we've got this. Oh no.
• 4:05:04
  No no. All these people aren't dead.
• 4:05:06
  We're going to save them and it's like if you're doing an
• 4:05:08
  allegory for something that's actually, A tragedy.
• 4:05:13
  And then you're going to do a doctor happy ending that just
• 4:05:15
  feels really tasteless. So I'm but that doesn't feel
• 4:05:18
  like the modus operandi this year.
• 4:05:20
  It just doesn't feel like something they would do if
• 4:05:22
  they're going to do it. They would do it respectfully.
• 4:05:24
  So I think some of the politics that ascribed to this story,
• 4:05:28
  probably won't what they intended.
• 4:05:34
  And there's some great bits in it.
• 4:05:35
  And I think there's stuff in this I do.
• 4:05:37
  Like I think the gay couple whose names are completely
• 4:05:40
  forgot. I really like that because that
• 4:05:42
  feels like a genuine couple. I've met couples like that.
• 4:05:45
  I think we probably are a couple like that.
• 4:05:47
  You are in no way as annoying as that.
• 4:05:49
  Bloody couple a hideous gay couple in this.
• 4:05:53
  I find them. but then, you know, when the, you know, the they
• 4:06:00
  take out the Marathi Shield, still in The Amity thing and all
• 4:06:04
  those bodies are going at that's really chilling sequence as
• 4:06:08
  well, and that's it. Totally keeps jarring.
• 4:06:14
  I think my biggest problem with it is the ending because we've
• 4:06:18
  talked a lot about the Betrayal of Belinda.
• 4:06:22
  And this story has the biggest betrayal of Belinda because
• 4:06:24
  again, Russell is usually so good at character arcs,
• 4:06:28
  character development. I think he massively massively,
• 4:06:31
  massively drops the ball at the end of this story.
• 4:06:33
  So, again, Belinda is meant to be more challenging more
• 4:06:38
  questioning of the doctor and everything like that. and she's
• 4:06:42
  kind of wavering and you start the story, she's beginning to
• 4:06:45
  enjoy herself, you know, maybe you know it's not so bad and
• 4:06:50
  then she comes in, she's tops him from torturing kid and it's
• 4:06:54
  terrifying moment for her, you know, it's meant to be like
• 4:06:57
  she's seeing the doctor kind of ice in his heart and going
• 4:07:00
  crossing the line. And then you have that final
• 4:07:04
  scene between the two of them. Where there's the opportunity as
• 4:07:07
  a writer. As drama and characters you
• 4:07:12
  could have had a really fiery confrontation between Belinda
• 4:07:16
  and the doctor at that point. Which would have led to quite
• 4:07:18
  nicely into him. Finally kind of, taking her
• 4:07:20
  attempting to take a home at last because he can and she's
• 4:07:23
  kind of like she could have said I'm done with you because you've
• 4:07:26
  crossed the line and you could have had some really Good
• 4:07:30
  performances, they're both capable of it.
• 4:07:31
  You could have had some really good writing the doctrine, the
• 4:07:34
  companion properly in conflict. But that's not.
• 4:07:39
  But it's just not there. And what does she say to him?
• 4:07:41
  Just put your amazing. And it's like that jars.
• 4:07:45
  So terribly with how that character was originating,
• 4:07:48
  genocide survivors again. All right?
• 4:07:50
  Or just be one point. Yeah. and, Also, I think some of
• 4:07:55
  the discourse come after it is interesting.
• 4:07:57
  Is that, you know, Doctor Who's trying to take, maybe more.
• 4:08:00
  Broadly. Some of these real world issues
• 4:08:02
  but you can't simplify what is incredibly complicated issues in
• 4:08:08
  the real world, and then, Let's do.
• 4:08:10
  And then end on a, happy start, Happy Song and all the song.
• 4:08:15
  also, I probably do. I find it annoying that could do
• 4:08:22
  that. But yeah, I can't make my mind
• 4:08:31
  upon it. I mean, the fact that you have
• 4:08:32
  this horrible Massacre, then you have a montage to books.
• 4:08:35
  This it's just It doesn't know what it wants to be.
• 4:08:40
  Your mind updated. They've got to make them mind up
• 4:08:43
  because you know next week they're going to the land to
• 4:08:46
  make belief. I don't want to see some more.
• 4:08:51
  well, you Be careful, Karen, never lies.
• 4:08:54
  I I could go on. Yeah, we've got the greatest
• 4:09:01
  hits over there. I'm not ashamed to say that.
• 4:09:03
  All three of them. I just it's a really difficult
• 4:09:09
  because I think there's bits in this that I like and there's
• 4:09:12
  bits in this. I really, really don't.
• 4:09:15
  So, yeah, I'm still firmly on the fence.
• 4:09:17
  So I'm happy to be swayed by the eloquent arguments, that are
• 4:09:21
  about to come forth. Okay, here are the comments of
• 4:09:32
  the interstellar song contest for those people do the points.
• 4:09:37
  Yeah you could be right with a Ryland Dr. Klir says too much
• 4:09:47
  talking not enough singing. The Viewpoint of this episode is
• 4:09:51
  incredibly misjudged particularly in the current
• 4:09:53
  moment. This is made worse by the fact
• 4:09:55
  that we don't see any of the genocide or its impact.
• 4:09:58
  All the viewpoints of any civilians that aren't psychotic
• 4:10:02
  attempted killers. Or even how the collaboration
• 4:10:05
  between the contest and the perpetrators is taking place.
• 4:10:09
  It all seems like the vague gestures which don't sit.
• 4:10:12
  Well, Anthony Carroll to broaden today.
• 4:10:15
  I want to distinguish him from the other Anthony Carroll
• 4:10:20
  because this is a political statement.
• 4:10:22
  Not, I don't want to prescribe, but the wrong Anthony Carroll.
• 4:10:25
  I think it's the most morally tasteless episode of Doctor Who
• 4:10:29
  there's ever been from using a music festival for a terrorist
• 4:10:32
  attack, like, October the 7th to the song that's meant to
• 4:10:36
  suddenly change Minds. That corporate genocide is bad.
• 4:10:38
  Actually, to the doctor's depraved, attacked on a genocide
• 4:10:42
  Survivor, as if he didn't lash out to those.
• 4:10:44
  Killing his species in darling with this broadcast just before
• 4:10:48
  Eurovision, where this is a live topic if it felt so morally.
• 4:10:51
  Mangled, and shouldn't have been made.
• 4:10:53
  I did like dog. Here in pal.
• 4:10:57
  Love at first sight. Is this messaging muddled and
• 4:11:02
  potentially problematic. Let me start that again.
• 4:11:04
  Kieran, Powell love at first sight is its messaging muddled
• 4:11:09
  and potentially problematic. God?
• 4:11:11
  Yes, the story is wrapped up by the interstellar.
• 4:11:14
  Equivalent of Band-Aid took the way too long to do a story as
• 4:11:17
  ludicrous as this. I also think some of the hates
• 4:11:21
  subconsciously come from this. Being the first Doctor Who TV
• 4:11:24
  story written by a trans woman to my knowledge, fix your hearts
• 4:11:27
  or die. I want to address that frame
• 4:11:29
  second. Well because it is the first
• 4:11:31
  Doctor Who I think that is a kind of outrageous comments.
• 4:11:34
  Say, actually, because of your mouth, but Juno Dawson as well
• 4:11:37
  row. Like, I don't like instala, and
• 4:11:40
  I will say that later on if he was, you know, he gave them a
• 4:11:45
  shopping list. Yeah.
• 4:11:46
  Socially as well also, Juno Dawson wrote the good doctor,
• 4:11:49
  new series of Adventure book, which was absolutely fantastic.
• 4:11:53
  I think it is dangerous to suggest that because somebody
• 4:11:56
  doesn't like something that they are an East.
• 4:11:59
  That is a dangerous statement. Anyway, let's move on Colin
• 4:12:01
  Hicks, easily, the best marriage of concept and execution in the
• 4:12:04
  series, Daniel Knight great visuals good performance is but
• 4:12:08
  again Belinda has a little to do and should have had an angry or
• 4:12:11
  reaction to seeing the doctor attacking kid.
• 4:12:13
  Instead they just ended up gushing at each.
• 4:12:15
  Other kit should have been more hands grouper than Draco.
• 4:12:19
  Malfoy Bird insult type villain of the series goodly female fly.
• 4:12:25
  Boy, whatever, Jason Thompson, gave us dagger 2 targeting.
• 4:12:29
  What more do you want? Suffers from trying to be a
• 4:12:32
  touch, two topical. So was bound to be
• 4:12:34
  controversial, did rather gloss over the doctors violence
• 4:12:37
  towards the end towards kids, though.
• 4:12:39
  I kid, is that his name? I feel keep and let's see how it
• 4:12:43
  looks in years to come. Here and Evans.
• 4:12:46
  They should have embraced the camp as it is.
• 4:12:48
  It's not enough. And the doctor is rather
• 4:12:50
  unpleasant. Something that Belinda calls
• 4:12:52
  out, but quickly forgets. Hmm, Luke's Imaging fun, but
• 4:12:56
  this was a complete way of Susan.
• 4:12:58
  What was the boy? Would be forgetful, if not for
• 4:13:03
  snooze and so he couldn't turn around convincingly because she
• 4:13:10
  was super cool. Says I feel as if there was for
• 4:13:16
  details and better balance to version of intercept on, oh my
• 4:13:21
  God. That we start again.
• 4:13:23
  What is terrible all around this place after losing my, cool says
• 4:13:28
  I feel as if Listen, because there's a feel as if there was a
• 4:13:34
  more detail and better balanced version of the interstellar song
• 4:13:37
  contest than the one that got made.
• 4:13:40
  Foreign is about to commit mass murder, obviously wrong.
• 4:13:43
  And his home planet has been pillaged, also wrong, and the
• 4:13:47
  doctor saved, everyone's lives. And Korra got to sing a song.
• 4:13:50
  And we were off again. Yes, I know that's the format,
• 4:13:53
  but it felt a function and unsatisfying Duggar do was keep
• 4:13:57
  the everyone's got politically important.
• 4:13:59
  I liked, I could do John Arnold, the big floor of the insta song
• 4:14:02
  contest is beyond its control. The links of which the doctor
• 4:14:05
  goes goes. The Links of which the doctor
• 4:14:08
  goes fit. What else?
• 4:14:10
  We've seen from him all season, they're having to truncate his
• 4:14:13
  story, just leaves it and unpleasant dead end.
• 4:14:16
  Otherwise enormous fun, I'll be at Freddy foxes under playing is
• 4:14:19
  weird. Michael storm.
• 4:14:22
  It's great fun. But harmed by the current
• 4:14:24
  political situation while it was fantasy Susan, it is nice to
• 4:14:29
  see. The carolann is exactly the same
• 4:14:31
  level of acting ability, as she was in 1963, what was the point?
• 4:14:35
  But I could definitely came, but what a bitch?
• 4:14:39
  Gareth baleigh that episode was a lot of fun and stands out as
• 4:14:43
  an engaging piece. It looked like it looked to take
• 4:14:46
  the doctor and blender down. Different paths.
• 4:14:48
  Plus, Susan, Ronnie and crowning Glory of ducka Doo.
• 4:14:53
  Daniel romsley a genocide Survivor played by an actor,
• 4:14:56
  whose family fled genocide torturing.
• 4:14:59
  Another genocide Survivor, after the main story conflict is over
• 4:15:03
  his certainly, a choice troubling.
• 4:15:05
  But well, acted and far more interesting than the
• 4:15:08
  Misadventures of Miss Belinda bicep.
• 4:15:11
  And the rani's MCU credits arrival.
• 4:15:14
  Daniel, how many Miss Belinda's? Miss Belinda bystander.
• 4:15:19
  I mean it's true. It is true.
• 4:15:20
  She was shoved in that box Paul Grasso.
• 4:15:23
  Finally says my favorite episode of the Season, kind of
• 4:15:26
  traditional who have a modern twist.
• 4:15:28
  However the continual casting of gay actors is getting a bit much
• 4:15:32
  higher, this board speaking as a gay actor.
• 4:15:34
  Well, you wait, after that role that all right.
• 4:15:37
  Oh like, what am I annoying? Those two guys.
• 4:15:39
  Oh, if you say that kind of bored.
• 4:15:42
  Yeah. Okay.
• 4:15:43
  She's not annoying as a gay actor.
• 4:15:45
  She got probably a nice kitchen out, doing that.
• 4:15:47
  All she has been around at the top, is for a bit.
• 4:15:49
  You cannot blame her at all. Michael says, she's still in the
• 4:15:54
  cinema. Watching the reality.
• 4:15:55
  Of course, he promised me, he promised me And I jump in
• 4:16:07
  because I won't be able to, but I will be quick.
• 4:16:10
  Because I have heard two minutes for you.
• 4:16:15
  I think that the best TV and Buffy had this inspired the best
• 4:16:20
  TV. Yeah, can can.
• 4:16:23
  Change tones in a second with absolute confidence and make it
• 4:16:29
  look absolutely deliberate. And it isn't jarring, you know,
• 4:16:32
  Buffy does that all the time horror and suddenly you're into
• 4:16:35
  comedy and Dr. Who is best Doctor Who in rcd one did that
• 4:16:39
  all the time as well? I kind of lost it because I
• 4:16:42
  think this is, like, a total tornado, you know, and see
• 4:16:48
  you're in a different fucking story.
• 4:16:50
  At one point is a tragedy at one point, it's a terrorist attack
• 4:16:53
  at one point. It's a lovely musical.
• 4:16:55
  Okay, I've got bloody clue. What is doing from saying to
• 4:16:58
  seen? I think, beyond the very
• 4:17:00
  expensive. Astonishing sequence of the
• 4:17:05
  terror attack. This is a really cheap episode
• 4:17:07
  where we spend like half the episode in a corridor?
• 4:17:10
  That's probably. So, we could afford the terror
• 4:17:12
  attack, but actually it's pretty cheap.
• 4:17:14
  Watch it. It's like, we're back in that
• 4:17:16
  Millennium Center for half the episode Belinda, utterly on the
• 4:17:21
  periphery. This is her chance.
• 4:17:22
  The doctors at the action. He's flying through space.
• 4:17:24
  There's your child's Blended to step up and do something.
• 4:17:26
  No, just stands at the side. Waggling, go.
• 4:17:28
  Oh, I've lost him but wonderful man.
• 4:17:31
  I've ever met Freddie Fox, I think is utterly two dimensional
• 4:17:36
  in his role, which is very odd. Nobody in RTD2 seems to have any
• 4:17:40
  musical Talent whatsoever. Yeah.
• 4:17:43
  So I think every kind of song they do, the lyrics are always
• 4:17:46
  absolutely shocking. And there's no exception here.
• 4:17:49
  I mean, the songs in church and River Road are quite fun, but
• 4:17:52
  this have you heard bang? Bang.
• 4:17:54
  Boom. The big finish story of a
• 4:17:56
  fabulous songs in that weird. Aliens.
• 4:17:58
  Doing funny things, we can one lament in this, don't wear
• 4:18:02
  nothing here. The doctor A torturing a
• 4:18:04
  genocide Survivor. Absolutely hideous.
• 4:18:05
  There's no coming back from that.
• 4:18:06
  There is no coming back from that.
• 4:18:08
  He has to go at that point. That's his time.
• 4:18:11
  Lord Victorious moment. Yeah.
• 4:18:12
  He's got to go. Yeah, I don't like it.
• 4:18:16
  I don't like it. It doesn't know what is saying.
• 4:18:18
  I don't think it or what it's saying is confusing, and it's
• 4:18:22
  not saying it confidently enough.
• 4:18:24
  And I think there are too many ways that people from all
• 4:18:28
  different directions and that's kind of special this year
• 4:18:31
  because usually it's just one direction, kind of look at this
• 4:18:34
  and be deeply insulted by what is saying.
• 4:18:37
  You. There is a moment which I I'm
• 4:19:08
  gonna put down to being not being cheap, but is a very
• 4:19:12
  clever omage to the enemy. The world episode 3, where they
• 4:19:16
  got, you know, they don't build a set to put kid in a Cell at
• 4:19:19
  the end. They called him in the corridor.
• 4:19:21
  Because it's just easier to Garden there.
• 4:19:22
  That's security kitchen. How do you cut a steak with a
• 4:19:28
  spoon? David?
• 4:19:31
  Am I okay to jump in? I'm not hearing any resistance.
• 4:19:37
  Lovely. Um, Yeah, this is this is bad
• 4:19:42
  top to bottom. Everything about this is.
• 4:19:44
  I think morally reprehensible and to not have been allows
• 4:19:48
  people broadcast. I think most of my outrage is
• 4:19:53
  almost fueled by the fact that this was my most anticipated
• 4:19:55
  story because I was looking forward to murder mystery at
• 4:19:58
  Eurovision because that was that premise is like, this is gonna
• 4:20:04
  be great because of funny songs. Yeah.
• 4:20:06
  Maybe someone will get off to do a little bit of poking around.
• 4:20:09
  The cities will have some Ryland cameos Grandma will turn up.
• 4:20:13
  I'll have a camp laugh. I think I think what, in my
• 4:20:18
  opinion I think what this Monster's real parallels
• 4:20:20
  towards. He's the sort of The the ravages
• 4:20:25
  of the effects of the 2000s war on on Terrace, the invasion of
• 4:20:28
  Iraq Afghanistan. I think there's there's the talk
• 4:20:31
  of the extraction of Natural Resources.
• 4:20:33
  There's bombs in arenas. It feels very pointed for me
• 4:20:37
  more at that era. It just happens to have Been
• 4:20:41
  commissioned and written, you know, around an attack happening
• 4:20:45
  at a music festival. And then, of course, you know,
• 4:20:46
  announced two years, long running genocide.
• 4:20:50
  Its final message, sort of landing on. not resisting
• 4:20:54
  genocide Beyond maybe if you sing a song and seemed like,
• 4:20:58
  seem like, nice people, maybe they won't be just say to you,
• 4:21:02
  just felt deeply, weird, and irresponsible, I think if you
• 4:21:09
  and so, you David, you that the torturing of Of a genocide
• 4:21:14
  Survivor is a terrible look, and I don't mind the doctor doing
• 4:21:17
  morally, reprehensible things, if it is confronted within the
• 4:21:20
  narrative or by other characters.
• 4:21:22
  But yeah, the fact that it is, it is not given any weight or
• 4:21:26
  gravity as to it and Belinda afterwards is just like, you're
• 4:21:29
  fantastic. I love you is so, so odd and and
• 4:21:34
  get a pass from me and I will give you a hug if I saw you
• 4:21:38
  torturing a genocide forever and I wonder how anybody like read
• 4:21:42
  it and just thought. Yeah, yeah, absolutely like
• 4:21:44
  that. That's fine.
• 4:21:45
  That feels like a very basic note.
• 4:21:47
  Um, and of course Belinda is absolutely wasted here.
• 4:21:51
  My of the most egregious aspect of this episode for me is that
• 4:21:55
  they separate the pair, and they invent a doctor character for
• 4:21:59
  the doctors who interact with, because they need a doctor for
• 4:22:02
  these mates, a nurse his companions, a nurse, she could
• 4:22:06
  be doing this, she could be involved in the action, but they
• 4:22:08
  invent another character who has Belinda's particular set of
• 4:22:11
  skills to fill that role. I just don't understand the any
• 4:22:17
  of it, the the shot of everybody coming up the arena is lovely.
• 4:22:20
  It thought I watching know the scene where the doctors outside
• 4:22:22
  in space and comes back in like a homage to The Last Jedi which
• 4:22:25
  is also movie that I like, but you know, on Mars is to move
• 4:22:28
  movies that are 100 times better than your Slop of TV is not
• 4:22:34
  going to win me any favors. Yeah I deeply deeply disliked.
• 4:22:37
  This it's going in the bin, didn't you want both the gates
• 4:22:39
  to die as well? I wanted the Ronnie Archie
• 4:22:42
  Panjabi to kill them both at the end.
• 4:22:43
  She appears in a mid-credit scene and with two characters
• 4:22:48
  that aren't even don't even know who she is.
• 4:22:51
  No one can sort of go brownie. They just sort of have to go.
• 4:22:54
  All right, she's in now. Oh gosh and Caroline.
• 4:22:59
  Ford blind me. Oh boy, she still hasn't.
• 4:23:02
  Got you your I think a river after you suddenly about the
• 4:23:07
  Rarity review like campus tits are you like that?
• 4:23:10
  She still can't act bless her? And who's the funny is
• 4:23:15
  reactions? The episode, I'd say, um, you
• 4:23:18
  remember I said in A lock. So, I want those irritating
• 4:23:23
  Doctor Who fans in Doctor, Who because I know too many of them
• 4:23:25
  already. Yeah.
• 4:23:26
  I don't need an irritating, gay couples, who are no far through
• 4:23:30
  many of them. And I'm making excuses all the
• 4:23:33
  time for them not to come around.
• 4:23:34
  And of course it also feels straight.
• 4:23:36
  You, I'm, you know, I mean, I'm bisexual but you know, like I've
• 4:23:40
  never really got the whole fashionation with Eurovision
• 4:23:42
  and, of course, Eurovision itself, you know, it's not your
• 4:23:45
  vision but like also your vision itself in Under Fire, of course
• 4:23:48
  for, you know, barring Russia from participating rightfully.
• 4:23:52
  So, and it's contest, but not Israel for everything that has
• 4:23:55
  been occurring, you know, and you can have opinions about that
• 4:23:58
  either way, but it just feels very peculiar top to bottom the
• 4:24:02
  story and the shape of like Juno Dawson.
• 4:24:06
  So there you read the good doctor that book fabulous.
• 4:24:09
  She wrote a great 13, Dr. Book. And thing it redacted as well.
• 4:24:14
  Is a very good serious. I'll just say one thing to you
• 4:24:17
  before we move on to the next person but where the pits of
• 4:24:20
  angry. Yeah, that's all.
• 4:24:24
  I actually think it was a mistake putting on the same
• 4:24:26
  night as Eurovision because I think actually made it look
• 4:24:28
  cheap because your vision when they go to the big stage in the
• 4:24:31
  big piece is this massive Arena and then you get this kind of
• 4:24:35
  green screen with violin in front of it.
• 4:24:38
  It's like well that unfortunate decision of shooting step in a
• 4:24:42
  way and then it's official very awkward.
• 4:24:48
  A map. Give us this stuff's on contest.
• 4:24:53
  I think. The context.
• 4:24:59
  The episode. And through the whole second
• 4:25:01
  series was pretty much Recorded by the time, the first series it
• 4:25:08
  actually gone out or it was very close to.
• 4:25:10
  So I kind of think that things obviously changed in the year
• 4:25:18
  between the series or Not necessarily change but got more
• 4:25:24
  apparent and worse. And there wasn't necessarily the
• 4:25:28
  time to do very much. About it.
• 4:25:34
  That's a, this is Gareth Roberts meets Juno Dawson, which is not
• 4:25:37
  a sentence either of them would appreciate, I don't think.
• 4:25:40
  Um, I love your vision, I am one of those gays.
• 4:25:45
  Why the cry at the cryogenically frozen that got me that got me
• 4:25:52
  on board straight away and I love this all the way through.
• 4:25:55
  I'm 100% would champion this. I love the idea of like, all of
• 4:26:00
  the old Eurovision presenters being frozen like in a tomb of
• 4:26:04
  the Cybermen like Tomb of the Eurovision and you open the like
• 4:26:07
  the big like central control or two would open Terry working
• 4:26:11
  like this explosives brain. I thought I did like the Ducati
• 4:26:20
  through so ridiculous, I thought the mid credit sequence of the
• 4:26:25
  radiation, ridiculous, but this language goes out in my way boy,
• 4:26:30
  Tik thing as he gone. My name is Mike and I'm a nurse.
• 4:26:35
  Does he gone the doctor You never talk to her?
• 4:26:40
  Yeah, he's gone. We look for him, he's just
• 4:26:42
  disappear. Then it's safe.
• 4:26:47
  I'm afraid like double brain stem froze.
• 4:27:43
  I'm the Ronnie the definite article so to speak now, Have
• 4:27:49
  you got The Vindicator reading? Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 4:27:55
  Then come with me. This is right out of the way
• 4:27:57
  boys because I have a date to marry. first for the doctor, I
• 4:28:03
  will bring him absolutely It's what I said, shut up. to arrange
• 4:28:10
  would have just like killed them both but that's actually I
• 4:28:18
  thought I was quite, I thought that's quite nice character to
• 4:28:20
  touch because you think like if it were the master, it just like
• 4:28:24
  that. The funny slight out of my
• 4:28:27
  weekend. I've already she said that.
• 4:28:33
  Having to pick up a trousers. Archie.
• 4:28:38
  Panjabi got the shoes. I thought I was wonderful.
• 4:28:46
  I, I can't argue with the criticisms of it, all of the
• 4:28:52
  episodes, this series. This one gave me the most joy
• 4:28:57
  for some of the the Ryland moments for the Ronnie reveal at
• 4:29:01
  the end. Thanks.
• 4:29:09
  I just laughing about just stop. Oh, Granny.
• 4:29:14
  On the way back from the palm, and she has, he gone?
• 4:29:17
  Yes. Oh, Dreadful but wonderful.
• 4:29:23
  Oh, must we how in I love that. So, I'm totally pop it in that
• 4:29:32
  Spirit outside. I, I think this this one was
• 4:29:40
  pitched. Specifically me.
• 4:29:43
  And I feel bad now, for liking it, for all of the very valid
• 4:29:46
  complaints and critiques, other people have had, but I can only
• 4:29:51
  speak my truth. I think, if you could, you could
• 4:29:54
  acknowledge the yeah. Its shortcomings.
• 4:29:56
  But still personally enjoy, I don't think there's anything
• 4:29:59
  wrong with that. In fact how Caroline for
• 4:30:02
  turnaround convincingly, you've had many years to get access to
• 4:30:10
  love. But last thing last time she was
• 4:30:14
  on TV was that he's ready From A Friend Thomas place.
• 4:30:19
  She's still sitting in that Cinema, I promise me.
• 4:30:27
  Am I always could be my next big break?
• 4:30:30
  You and I know. So I know we got tired of it.
• 4:30:33
  I convention, she gloriously said, she didn't get a part as
• 4:30:37
  she'd gone for in a Prestige drama because they It wasn't old
• 4:30:43
  enough. That was nor the reason why.
• 4:30:48
  Carol. Oh God.
• 4:30:50
  It was gonna stop listening. Oh, please tell us your truth.
• 4:30:53
  She's pretty good in public eye when she is a sex trafficking.
• 4:31:01
  She could ask very good, very good and better that she's
• 4:31:05
  better than she is a Susan. She is.
• 4:31:08
  Yeah, that that's going completely mad.
• 4:31:13
  I'm so sorry. if I was to be, Generous, I'd say that they're
• 4:31:20
  trying to look at how. The brutalized can become
• 4:31:28
  brutalizes themselves. And so that's why kid.
• 4:31:36
  Carries out this attack. And it's of course about big
• 4:31:41
  business. So it's maybe a more intelligent
• 4:31:44
  version of what you see in. Season, the 2005 season with
• 4:31:49
  Davis big businesses that the problem for three episodes at
• 4:31:54
  least and then the fourth is actually the darling and they
• 4:31:57
  try to look at the doctor. Again, go back to that first
• 4:32:01
  season, where the doctor torches the dark.
• 4:32:05
  Because the victim now becomes the aggressor himself.
• 4:32:10
  And you might want to make the case that they were trying to
• 4:32:12
  say something. Intelligent or pointed about the
• 4:32:16
  politicization of European because it was that the
• 4:32:19
  originals always been political. Why does Cliff Richard not win
• 4:32:21
  it? Because they Spain has to win
• 4:32:23
  with a Franco. And how you used to block vote.
• 4:32:29
  Around Russia before they're expelled from it.
• 4:32:31
  Look at Israel's place in it now.
• 4:32:34
  And so, there could be something. intelligent and
• 4:32:38
  pointed gun on in there, but I think It does a real tension
• 4:32:42
  within the story that you've got that there.
• 4:32:46
  With all this other material. And so I'm not quite sure
• 4:32:50
  because I think put it through because it's not going through
• 4:32:55
  but I think put it through because I think, They might have
• 4:32:58
  been well intentioned but it just gets it's the wrong, it's
• 4:33:02
  totally inconsistent. And I don't know that that's
• 4:33:05
  deliberate because, of course you can have a fence.
• 4:33:09
  Deliberate offense for make a point and say something like the
• 4:33:11
  producers, which, you know, if you put it on, now, you just
• 4:33:15
  would put on Springtime for Hitler and Alan and Connor go
• 4:33:19
  along and clap wildly to it. And not get the joke, so they
• 4:33:22
  might be going for something like that.
• 4:33:24
  But I'm just not sure. I mean, there's an argument of
• 4:33:28
  course, that all Doctor, Who after the first part of time,
• 4:33:31
  flight is just the dying fantasies of the doctor line at
• 4:33:34
  the bottom of that conquered in a regenerative, Doom Loop.
• 4:33:37
  And so these various those Asians of himself there because
• 4:33:40
  that's really good into Multiverse, is because the
• 4:33:43
  Disney money is gone. Whoever got 15 million in bags
• 4:33:47
  or maybe, I, maybe I have got it for this deal now with my TV, so
• 4:33:50
  I don't know. But there's something very odd
• 4:33:53
  going on with that story but I think there's some striking
• 4:33:57
  scenes in there. I think it's deeply problematic.
• 4:33:58
  I don't think they do it deliberately.
• 4:33:59
  I think it's just one of these ones and they're not thinking
• 4:34:01
  enough or they're thinking, but they didn't take it through to
• 4:34:04
  the logical conclusion, but I keep it That's 242 again and
• 4:34:10
  David on the fence. He's got to make a call, I
• 4:34:13
  think. Yeah.
• 4:34:13
  Well, do you ask me to make a decision after hearing me on
• 4:34:17
  your mind up and we got David. Do you have the choice?
• 4:34:20
  Do you have the right? I'd much prefer you making your
• 4:34:26
  mind up as much more in, keeping what we're doing here.
• 4:34:30
  Yeah, and with say bedtime, so probably got speed up.
• 4:34:35
  Or slow it down on the fortune teller.
• 4:34:40
  Yeah, I think I'm, I do think this is really problematic.
• 4:34:44
  I think, I don't think they intended to write a story.
• 4:34:50
  That have these power that they intended the paradise to what
• 4:34:53
  went on in 2003. It did they probably was kind of
• 4:34:58
  stuck, there was probably no money because they've been doing
• 4:35:01
  reshoots elsewhere and everything.
• 4:35:02
  So they probably couldn't do anything.
• 4:35:04
  You kind of stuck With his story. but I think, there's just
• 4:35:11
  too much in it that I think I object to the bits that I like,
• 4:35:17
  I think the biggest biggest mistake is that we have the
• 4:35:22
  mention of the planet try on. And there's not a single Turner
• 4:35:25
  reference. Outrageous.
• 4:35:29
  So I think for that for that reason alone, I love that's a
• 4:35:34
  bigger problem than torturing a genocide Survivor, you know?
• 4:35:39
  I'm yeah, I'm not too fat. I have no sense of proportion,
• 4:35:41
  whatsoever. but now, it's It's a no from me.
• 4:35:48
  I saw, I saw like I saw people having objections to have her
• 4:35:55
  episodes this season, but I saw real anchor about this one like
• 4:35:59
  proper You know his online about this.
• 4:36:04
  So it's hard because you want to give them that Grace of when it
• 4:36:08
  was put into action and what can they do with it?
• 4:36:11
  But also yeah it feels like an irresponsible thing to put out.
• 4:36:14
  I think well, I mean so we've lost Whoa, the reality will
• 4:36:20
  store in the engine joists a lot.
• 4:36:21
  The robot Revolution. Interstellar song, contests
• 4:36:24
  We've kept Lux and lucky Daye. So Matt, would you like to give
• 4:36:29
  an impassioned defense or real kicking of the?
• 4:36:32
  Well The well, I would put through.
• 4:36:35
  I think it's got Its very, again, it's a very RTD one, kind
• 4:36:45
  of story, and I don't just mean it's a sequel to midnight, I
• 4:36:50
  think. it has that kind of filmed in the Quarry at night,
• 4:36:56
  kind of looked to it. which, I think quite works.
• 4:37:04
  In its favor. I think the thing behind that's
• 4:37:11
  behind you reminded me. If there's something on your
• 4:37:14
  back, in some ways midnight, is a really weird story for this to
• 4:37:18
  be a sequel to. Because, actually, it feels more
• 4:37:22
  like the Satan, the midnight. It looks more like the sanctuary
• 4:37:27
  bass than anything in midnight and I think it's a big.
• 4:37:31
  How will in the ground? Yeah.
• 4:37:32
  And I think that the creature Is, it's obviously not. a giant
• 4:37:40
  devil, but It reminded me, more of how the Beast.
• 4:37:44
  Behaves then how the creature in Midnight behaves like it's
• 4:37:49
  mindful Curry. I'm kind of I I'm a bit
• 4:37:55
  surprised at how reluctant like, RTD2 has been to actually
• 4:38:01
  revisit the same pit to be because I actually thought
• 4:38:04
  Gabriel, Wolfe is a giant CGI monster, god of death. suits the
• 4:38:12
  Beast better than suited to be on us, and would have been a
• 4:38:16
  more interesting callback for For most kids, and they've grown
• 4:38:21
  up in the 21st century than pyramids of Mars.
• 4:38:23
  But that's by the, by is slightly self-indulgent.
• 4:38:29
  Like Russell going, don't make me blink.
• 4:38:33
  I want to like midnight, is the midnight is the real good story.
• 4:38:40
  It's I think it's creepy. I'm a middle-aged man so TV
• 4:38:45
  doesn't really scare me but I think there are scenes in this
• 4:38:49
  which are neatly creepy. It's quite static and standing
• 4:38:54
  around but I prefer the way that it's done here to the way it's
• 4:38:58
  done in Boom. and I think, I just I just like the kind of
• 4:39:09
  creepy tone to it. I like the that the There are
• 4:39:17
  obviously big effects and things like that as they do this sort
• 4:39:20
  of Skydive thing to get to the planet by quite like that they
• 4:39:25
  did. stories in, in RTD2, with the Disney money that are still
• 4:39:32
  kind of you could basically tell in any era of Doctor Who and I
• 4:39:42
  kind of like that she got something that Was just a sort
• 4:39:48
  of dark scary story in a way that he didn't really in his
• 4:39:53
  first series because the scariest story, he was barely
• 4:39:57
  in. So it was quite nice to actually
• 4:40:00
  give him to give him that chance the midnight, the midnight
• 4:40:05
  connection to me is like it's almost by.
• 4:40:09
  I don't not really that interested in that aspect.
• 4:40:12
  It's more the rest of the sort of tone of the piece that fell
• 4:40:17
  very classic RTD Put it three for me.
• 4:41:18
  Finally the comments for the well Luke seems junkins.
• 4:41:22
  The logic of the monster doesn't hold up.
• 4:41:23
  Just put your back against the wall, excuse me?
• 4:41:26
  I've had enough of that score, right?
• 4:41:28
  Or lie down or something. Back backs against the wall,
• 4:41:33
  John Arnold says box standard based on The Siege who held
• 4:41:39
  together with a spectacularly. Good performance from Rose
• 4:41:42
  hailing Ellis. Well done, I was really
• 4:41:45
  panicking them with you saying that name.
• 4:41:47
  Paul Kresser good traditional stuff, not sure.
• 4:41:49
  It needs to be asleep for midnight as the monsters.
• 4:41:51
  Mo wasn't quite the same but when I look at sutoka is
• 4:41:55
  actually far more consistent consistent calling Hicks felt
• 4:41:58
  like an attempt to appease the subset of fandom.
• 4:42:01
  The thing Doctor Who should always push the same set of
• 4:42:03
  buttons as a couple of hinge Clips seasons, did for them. 50
• 4:42:06
  years ago here, whatever's. It's all right.
• 4:42:09
  I don't particularly find it scary at all.
• 4:42:11
  That's what Luke said, actually, that's Luke Malloy, that's the
• 4:42:14
  time twink from Finnish big and I'm surprised by some people's
• 4:42:18
  reactions to it. I'm on the fence by being a
• 4:42:20
  sequel to midnight. Jason Thompson says okay but as
• 4:42:24
  a sequel I know he doesn't say he says okay but that's the
• 4:42:30
  Secret Story. I didn't particularly care for I
• 4:42:33
  would have lived without it. I'm not qualified to talk about
• 4:42:35
  the death representation of Rose.
• 4:42:37
  Ailing Ellis. Was brilliant, but I'm not
• 4:42:42
  qualified all about different. No, no, I'm no, I'm not
• 4:42:45
  qualified to talk here. I'm not qualified to talk about
• 4:42:49
  the death representation of Rose sailing Ellis, but mostly it's
• 4:42:53
  brilliant. Sorry, I can't read today.
• 4:42:55
  I doubt I'll revisit anytime soon, but Cape George say that
• 4:42:59
  again, no Jack Corey. A standard based on The Siege
• 4:43:02
  Doctor Who freelo with the best performance of the Year from
• 4:43:04
  Rose angling, Ellis, and its sensor.
• 4:43:06
  Literally, Michael storm. Now we are cooking on gas.
• 4:43:10
  Oh yeah. Good use of Belinda's, medical
• 4:43:15
  training. Did midnight need a sequel.
• 4:43:18
  Probably not. But this is a worthy successor
• 4:43:20
  and is it the same entity? The MMO is a lot, different,
• 4:43:24
  King, Kieran Powell, who I've kind of disagreed with every
• 4:43:27
  comment. Let's say, you know, how we feel
• 4:43:29
  here. Rose ailing, Ellis is superb
• 4:43:31
  finally a script where disabled people actually exist in the
• 4:43:34
  future, a monster missed that two partner in series 9, you
• 4:43:37
  know, with that lovely death, late lady.
• 4:43:38
  However, that then sets up the question, did Humanity employ
• 4:43:42
  Eugenics, oh God, sometimes in the future to get rid of
• 4:43:45
  disabled people that gets attached to every future
• 4:43:49
  Humanity story before it. Say that out loud.
• 4:43:52
  Didn't you care about Gareth Bailey?
• 4:43:55
  So a boringly predictable? Nothing original it sits
• 4:43:59
  alongside listen as a dull episode of nothingness with no
• 4:44:03
  impact and why you grab me like that.
• 4:44:06
  And you've got a shot worse as they sold us the atmosphere
• 4:44:12
  before and better in Midnight. Daniel rules, did we really need
• 4:44:16
  a sequel to midnight the connection to one of Doctor?
• 4:44:19
  Who's modern? Classic is honestly, the least
• 4:44:20
  interesting thing about it, as clanging for an out-of-place
• 4:44:24
  music, cues will attest as an aliens.
• 4:44:27
  Ricketts pretty good exploring, a new fear people turn in their
• 4:44:30
  backs on you. Know.
• 4:44:38
  I think Daniel is an effective killer with some great scares of
• 4:44:43
  visuals. Good performances too.
• 4:44:44
  From rose again. Go on.
• 4:44:47
  Who's this cat California? No, hold on.
• 4:44:53
  Player will I feel and done and Christopher, I think her name is
• 4:44:57
  Kayla fun. Her mother wasn't that crawl
• 4:45:00
  Louisa McCall says, finally I enjoyed the.
• 4:45:04
  Well although I thought it should have been longer to make
• 4:45:07
  more time for the relationships between the team and the
• 4:45:09
  doctrine Belinda to defend it more plausibly.
• 4:45:11
  Great sexual performance from Roseanne Ellis and strong.
• 4:45:15
  Oh fuck strong support from Mrs. Dunn in particular.
• 4:45:24
  Okay, how do we end it? Well, that was the last of the
• 4:45:27
  comments there. A couple long boys.
• 4:45:30
  I'm a death to arrange. I'm just flat.
• 4:45:35
  I'm Mrs. Flood. Yes.
• 4:45:37
  She's sight. Read these comments.
• 4:45:39
  Read those comments. Yes sir.
• 4:45:50
  He can't win Kelly because he did pyramid some miles.
• 4:45:53
  Everyone was like oh God says call back.
• 4:45:55
  So that what he did midnight, you know, so riffing on his own
• 4:45:58
  ass fuck cycle to make like you can't, please don't screw fans.
• 4:46:04
  Well. Well, um, I I would like to go
• 4:46:08
  next just because I am so on the fence about the whale.
• 4:46:14
  And I want to, I want to have my opinion.
• 4:46:16
  Hopefully, swayed one way or the other.
• 4:46:18
  Um, because on the one hand, I I don't like it being sort of
• 4:46:24
  legacy sequel. Not because I have a problem
• 4:46:26
  with the right of riffing on his own material.
• 4:46:28
  I just don't think it In any way feels related to the midnight
• 4:46:34
  entity. So it almost just feels
• 4:46:36
  completely pointless. You might as well just just do
• 4:46:38
  an original Monster in my opinion.
• 4:46:41
  The only good thing that are being the midnight entity brings
• 4:46:45
  to the to the story is that amazing, the only nice looking
• 4:46:49
  bit of show for quite a long time.
• 4:46:51
  When they do that, amazing overhead shot to show that
• 4:46:53
  everyone's arranged in a clock face.
• 4:46:57
  I, Don't like the way it looks. I think Matt's, it's very
• 4:47:03
  static, I agree. It has the outfit, it's not lit
• 4:47:06
  like a horror film. It's not shot like a horror
• 4:47:08
  film, so it doesn't feel particularly scary at the same
• 4:47:12
  time. I think the jumpscare The two or
• 4:47:16
  three times it happens, and I'm gonna sound.
• 4:47:18
  So it's, you know, Just take Doctor, Who off the air.
• 4:47:23
  I think it's I think that's waiting Scary For Kids.
• 4:47:25
  Personally, it scared me and not in like I think when things are
• 4:47:30
  conceptually scary, you have that level of will kids get it.
• 4:47:32
  Well, they won't get it. It will creep them out.
• 4:47:35
  I think the loudness and the sudden this of those actual
• 4:47:38
  jumpscares was really intense for a show.
• 4:47:42
  Aimed at families and children. It's scared the shit out of me
• 4:47:46
  watching it at 9 a.m. in my bedroom on my own and I didn't
• 4:47:50
  appreciate it. I don't like jumps kids anyway.
• 4:47:52
  Oh, you TV down a bit, you'll be less scared.
• 4:47:55
  Well, I watch everything via phones in.
• 4:47:57
  Oh, that's right. It really got me every time it
• 4:48:01
  happened. Um yeah, I think that might just
• 4:48:03
  be a little bit too far on the other hand.
• 4:48:08
  Rose ailing Ellis is Delivering, the finest performance in Doctor
• 4:48:15
  Who. For many a year, there is
• 4:48:19
  something about the way that she's able to convey the fear,
• 4:48:22
  on her face of the unknown of what's behind her.
• 4:48:24
  The genuinely made me cry within the story.
• 4:48:29
  Absolutely broke my heart. She is able to just convey so
• 4:48:33
  many emotions at once that I haven't felt that moved watching
• 4:48:37
  before performance in a long time.
• 4:48:38
  So, I'm on the fence because I think it's, it's needless and
• 4:48:45
  The oddly constructed and bad looking and maybe a bit too
• 4:48:50
  scary for the kiddies, but it does have some genuinely good
• 4:48:52
  creepy moments in it. So I want to know what everybody
• 4:48:55
  else thinks and I'll make my mind up, but I jump in because
• 4:48:58
  as it's becoming common on this call are completely disagree
• 4:49:02
  with you. I think this looks great.
• 4:49:04
  I think that shot of them coming down into the Quarry, is one of
• 4:49:07
  the best shots of the year. I do think this is filmed like a
• 4:49:11
  good horror movie because there's an engineer.
• 4:49:13
  So the camera work when you're in that room with her all the
• 4:49:16
  time. So you're aware that something's
• 4:49:17
  there but you're not quite sure where it is and just the subtle
• 4:49:21
  use of it coming over. I'm really quickly is really
• 4:49:23
  scary and there's real dynamism and running to try and get away
• 4:49:27
  at the end of the episode. There's real like tension in
• 4:49:31
  that and I love the ridiculous Twilight Zone ending of like the
• 4:49:35
  horror is still there. You know they're doing the
• 4:49:38
  X-Files thing all over again. I didn't really like this being
• 4:49:43
  a midnight sequel because I think midnight and absolute
• 4:49:45
  classic and this is pretty good. It else cheap and it a little
• 4:49:49
  bit and it could just be anything you know it didn't have
• 4:49:51
  to be. It could have been anything and
• 4:49:53
  you know Rusty they get your name off this script.
• 4:49:55
  Alright just let someone write a script.
• 4:49:56
  Okay, don't put your name first for Fox like right but it's
• 4:50:01
  second like Moffitt used to. Yeah, really traditional really
• 4:50:06
  Farm a great performance like you said there.
• 4:50:09
  And I really liked it, put it very David.
• 4:50:17
  I'm gonna shock everybody because you know I've been quite
• 4:50:20
  down on the season and I've not put a lot through but I'm gonna
• 4:50:23
  put the well through Mainly for Rose, ailing, Alice's,
• 4:50:27
  performance, I think is it's the performance of the Season
• 4:50:31
  outside of the recorders. I think it's the best
• 4:50:36
  performance in a long time. and one of the things I like about
• 4:50:39
  this, Is it could a very easily been quite obvious that you know
• 4:50:43
  we've had a deaf character, you know.
• 4:50:46
  Issued. Oh no no she isn't. you know
• 4:50:49
  she's not wrong and of course there's a place with that and it
• 4:50:52
  makes it uncomfortable because as the audience as you watch you
• 4:50:54
  start to question you start to challenge and I think there's a
• 4:50:59
  it's a script that I think is, Is trying to just say to the
• 4:51:02
  audience. Well, maybe she is a woman.
• 4:51:05
  She might be and you sit. And yeah, and you're in as an
• 4:51:09
  audience member, you're like, but they could character the
• 4:51:13
  Roman and they might have been bald and it would have been bold
• 4:51:18
  because, you know, that's not certainly.
• 4:51:20
  What's, you know, some writers were showing away from that and
• 4:51:22
  then there's been a lot of conversation about
• 4:51:24
  representation of disability and Doctor Who since Russell came
• 4:51:28
  back. and I think that as an audience member that makes, it
• 4:51:32
  can make you feel uncomfortable and that's strange because it's
• 4:51:36
  like you're getting an emotional reaction from your audience
• 4:51:38
  through your writing and that's A definite benefit and I think
• 4:51:42
  her performance is key to that. So it's going through on the
• 4:51:47
  strength of that. I also like the visuals on it.
• 4:51:50
  I think the over-the-head midnight shots of really clever.
• 4:51:54
  I know it's static and I know I've said Other Stories being
• 4:51:57
  static. I think it's benefit here.
• 4:52:01
  It is an unnecessary Sequel. And if I remember rightly, it
• 4:52:03
  wasn't planned as a sequel. The sequel came later and I
• 4:52:07
  think the reasons for making a sequel is a prison, because I
• 4:52:11
  think it got more people talking about it because it's the
• 4:52:15
  midnight Sequel. And I think, I know reason why I
• 4:52:19
  believe this but my, my gut tells me it's purely because
• 4:52:23
  it's something we can mark it out, and it will get people
• 4:52:26
  talking. but, It goes through. It makes kind of again, like you
• 4:52:34
  say, for marketing, definitely. But I think saying that there's
• 4:52:37
  a legacy sequel coming. Kind of did the undercut, the
• 4:52:39
  whole series a little bit. It would be.
• 4:52:41
  I think like, I'd be warmer on it if I watched it and I had no
• 4:52:44
  idea that was coming, whereas they teased it so much that I
• 4:52:47
  kind of anticipate you did a little, you know it wouldn't
• 4:52:49
  have a bit dark music kicks in that music.
• 4:52:53
  And my heart was going because I was like, my God, it's not
• 4:52:57
  again. And then literally within five
• 4:52:59
  seconds I was like, ah, why I've been doing this like The dogs
• 4:53:03
  are very fast, man. We're never happy.
• 4:53:06
  We're immediately just more than one horrible creature that lives
• 4:53:10
  on midnight. This was for eight the creature
• 4:53:15
  that they imitate a man, says, he doesn't look over there.
• 4:53:19
  Is, is the bombastic aliens like sequel?
• 4:53:22
  Isn't it? Because Heather, the original
• 4:53:23
  midnight is much more subtle. And there's an aliens quotient
• 4:53:26
  there, as well. which is they should take off a nuke, the site
• 4:53:30
  from all, but Oh, and oh God, mad don't hate me.
• 4:53:33
  Elliot please. The other thing I disagree is
• 4:53:36
  that I think this is quite scary enough off.
• 4:53:38
  I think that could have been a body horror, that's probably,
• 4:53:41
  yeah. I think there's real violence in
• 4:53:46
  like the murder the deaths like people being hurled over the
• 4:53:50
  room that for a kid, that's probably quite scary I guess but
• 4:53:53
  this thing I think it pulls its punches in being conceptually
• 4:53:56
  very scary but I think those jump scares.
• 4:53:58
  I just think are two are too much for me personally like it.
• 4:54:03
  But yeah, it should be conceptually more terrifying.
• 4:54:06
  I think. And that would probably give it
• 4:54:08
  a bit more of a lasting, kind of stay.
• 4:54:09
  Anyway. Sorry, we're talking all around
• 4:54:12
  Pauls. I had a chance to speak before
• 4:54:14
  David studio. Lights went out there.
• 4:54:16
  That's it. It's time to go midnight.
• 4:54:19
  Creature. Getting him anything.
• 4:54:21
  He says we're nearly died over. Don't worry.
• 4:54:24
  This is what happens when you got lights on a timer.
• 4:54:28
  Oh, I thought this Audrey bag of tree.
• 4:54:34
  I don't like boring. I'm with what's Singing song
• 4:54:46
  Eddie Arnold. Yeah, Eddie's right.
• 4:54:49
  That's the voice of use boring story.
• 4:54:54
  Just am dram on the glass. Can't make its mind up and this
• 4:54:59
  can make his mind up, but it's just a collection of cliches
• 4:55:03
  Carousel. I really care about Roseanne
• 4:55:07
  Ellis deserve better. I think it's kind of
• 4:55:09
  exploitative. It just goes down a collection
• 4:55:12
  of pleasures of the Horizon. I don't know horror films
• 4:55:14
  anyway, and there's nothing here that I like it's just absolute
• 4:55:19
  tedium, writ large. I kind of wondered my eyes
• 4:55:23
  wandered away from it while. I was watching it, I had nothing
• 4:55:26
  to say. It is empty, his locks.
• 4:55:28
  Fortunately got a well to Chuck it down.
• 4:55:30
  Been I do think Eddie Arnold did a lot story in the engine as
• 4:55:35
  well like, you know, Well, that's, you know, you've talked
• 4:55:39
  him. I just it's just know he left me
• 4:55:45
  cold, and I didn't really watch it for this.
• 4:55:47
  I was going to Vibes for a lot of this as you can, probably
• 4:55:49
  tell, but I did the vibe of me. Was it didn't Vibe with me as a
• 4:55:52
  young people would say. So yeah.
• 4:55:55
  I I'm gonna I'm Gonna Keep it. I think, even though I think it
• 4:55:59
  has some shortcomings I think it, you know, it's it's more
• 4:56:02
  than sum of its parts. I think.
• 4:56:03
  Is it a pity? Keep?
• 4:56:04
  Just because we put hardly anything through.
• 4:56:06
  Well, I was gonna say also as well, you know, helps, if we've
• 4:56:09
  got at least three in the five know I do like it's got its
• 4:56:14
  merits, I just depends what day you catch you on.
• 4:56:16
  I'm either gonna go fucking midnight, pointless, or I'm
• 4:56:19
  gonna be going is it was it had good drama in it?
• 4:56:22
  You know what, I'll say this for the audience listening, who's
• 4:56:25
  got this for? What a bunch of our grateful
• 4:56:28
  counts. We are Jesus Christ.
• 4:56:33
  I slave over making this for us for two years or whatever.
• 4:56:36
  The only one that got I guess is sort of utilized robbing was
• 4:56:40
  Joyce. Well everything else at least
• 4:56:42
  had an impassion defense from one or two of us Actually going
• 4:56:45
  out on that script. Oh, Right.
• 4:56:49
  Okay, we were ready for the night on a spinning wheel.
• 4:56:57
  Well done. I'll preloaded them to save
• 4:57:00
  time. So finally around doing it.
• 4:57:01
  Um, so I'm gonna see what the first one is.
• 4:57:06
  And he'll make it sound really. Like, I'm trying Oh, okay.
• 4:57:12
  It's still spinning that hasn't quite decided. okay, so the
• 4:57:15
  first story is the well versus give it another spin.
• 4:57:24
  It's been really slow. Okay, it's I love the attention.
• 4:57:31
  Sorry everyone. It's the well it's still the
• 4:57:34
  well, I'm well versus the. Well, the well verse is so as
• 4:57:40
  you get a tick over Know. Okay, the the well or Lux?
• 4:57:46
  Is. Is the choice.
• 4:57:48
  We're going to make technical watching but locks Up in there.
• 4:57:53
  Both good looking at Is no easy to do animation to that level in
• 4:57:59
  life actually. well, I David locks, all the world, the well.
• 4:58:26
  Lux. Okay.
• 4:58:28
  Oh, I get, I get casting Coke. Oh, I am going to say I'm gonna
• 4:58:36
  say Luxe, I think I prefer Luxe overall.
• 4:58:39
  I bet the ring a ding. I make my heart.
• 4:58:41
  Go ding, whatever it is and so it comes down to Locks and lucky
• 4:58:47
  they oh For that twist for that twist.
• 4:59:01
  Locks are lucky day. David Luxor, lucky day.
• 4:59:19
  Lucky day. Okay.
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  Paul Luxe, Lucky Day, lucky day. Well, for what it's worth.
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  I would also say Lux but that is a three to two victory for lucky
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  day. Where are they?
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  I don't know. They're readings, are closed.
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  Get those civilians inside. Hey, there's two of the police.
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  They've got my friend. I want the street alive.
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  We need to understand how they got here.
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  On some ghosting is zero. None of this big thing.
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  Just give me that. You idiots.
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  I would do boss. Nailed.
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  What? Are they talking about?
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  What the hell is going on? We are Think Tank.
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  Supposing The Lies perpetuated by unit.
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  By you. And we're live streaming, so I
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  don't get triggered. I had to listen to your stories
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  for weeks now and up with your insecurities and vanity listen
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  to your tedious piano solos and get smothered and let go of
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  course getting to know you. Know, it's all worth it.
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  Oh, this is the one you hate. Wasn't it?
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  Oh, so are you? Kicking out.
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  Robot Revolution wish world the reality story in the engine just
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  for lucky day to win. I mean, If it's any consolation,
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  my bottom came, my bottom story, came second and very nearly one.
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  So, you know, I thought you were saying, you've lost a feeling in
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  your bottle, you've been sitting there for so long.
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  About two. That's a very contentious year,
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  sure? We very quickly, say where we
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  are alive, so we can go to bed. Yeah, who want Okay.
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  Who wants to give us? We just go.
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  Matt David Paul and then ninja. Okay.
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  Oh yeah, thank you for joining us.
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  Where can we find you? You can find me on Blue Sky as
• 5:02:48
  the Cyber maximum. David again, thank you for
• 5:02:55
  joining us. Can we find you?
• 5:02:56
  You find me mostly on Blue Sky. These days is David GP.
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  You can find things for me to my YouTube channel.
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  All the usual sorts of stuff. I'm quite easy to find with
• 5:03:06
  quite unique name. And Paul, thank you for joining
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  us. Where can we find You?
• 5:03:11
  Blue Sky appeal, J Queen. Lovely.
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  Oh well if you if you want to you could follow me on Twitter.
• 5:03:20
  It's only about I don't recommend it.
• 5:03:22
  I don't really tweet about Doctor Who I don't really tweet
• 5:03:24
  at all. But do listen to the come along
• 5:03:26
  Pom-Pom cast and serving Cinema podcast.
• 5:03:28
  The Doctor Who review podcast and the film review podcast that
• 5:03:31
  I do with my best. My download it's a great time.
• 5:03:33
  Follow it on Instagram, love it. Ah, Joe where can people find
• 5:03:37
  you? Allow the Adobe is kind of come
• 5:03:39
  looking for me. After I consulted the guys, I've
• 5:03:42
  kicked out the Nigeria, so I've just been everybody on this
• 5:03:46
  episode as well. So, have some blood knife, you
• 5:03:49
  know where I am. It's a lot of noise and
• 5:03:52
  nonsense, but it's jolly. Good fun.
• 5:03:53
  I'll wait. You're listening to it right
• 5:03:55
  now. Don't worry about it.
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  Lovely. I mean, we're all on spattering
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  of episodes as well. We can find us around.
• 5:04:04
  I do love the various angle that came out of All of Us episode.
• 5:04:10
  How can we end this in a series be sort of away.
• 5:04:15
  One place just before the next episode, it's been an absolute
• 5:04:20
  joy and there's a Teletubby son breaking through the house.
• 5:04:23
  Telling us we need and I'll say this, this was the plan all
• 5:04:28
  along, all right. This for two years.