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The Saint: Follow the Leader (EP1437) · Great Detectives of Old Time Radio Volume 2|Mystery Audio Dramas

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three seven one five. The original episode or air date for this episode was
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July the sixteenth, nineteen fifty, and the title is Follow the Leader.
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The Adventures are of the Saint starring Vincent Price. Let's play based time characters
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created by Leslie Tarter An all the millions from books, magazines, and motion
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pictures. The Robin Hood of Modern Crime. Now come transcriber Radio Dodding Hollywood,
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brilliant and talented actor of him from price As. Let's think. Oh,
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open up, please hurry. Well to what do I owe? I've
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been following that? Truly, you're a blonde. I assure you. The
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men who followed me weren't interested in the color of my hair. Don't tell
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me. They were chasing you for your money. No, dear, not
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my money, my life. It's good to be here. Finally, I've
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come a long way to see you, Simon. Well, if i'd known
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you were coming, you didn't. You're as unexpected as Yankee bean soup on
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a menu in Moscow, but infinitely more welcome. You weren't contacted, You
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didn't speak to mactim any Maxine. I know happens to be a restaurant in
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parts. Oh, they intercepted him, and we were so sure he wasn't
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even known to them. Did he's cover with We'll have to proceed on our
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own, Simons. We can do it, of course we can do it.
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But what what particular type of melodrama are we playing? I'd better tell
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you the whole story. Everything you have, the sout and thea shahera is
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ada? Or what is your name? Claire? Claire? Or sit down,
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Claire, thank you. I've just come back from Mexico City. He
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was there. He's changed in the last five years, Simon. You'd never
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recognize him. It must have been plastic surgery. He doesn't look I see,
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and now I know everything? Something what sort of something? I thought
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I heard? A footstead Simon? The blinds? Put down the blind How
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stupid of me not to have done it immediately? Yeah? Are you staring
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at my not? Is? Someone? Is one of them? A little
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man in a badly sitting suit at least two sizes of too large for him
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and a large floppy hat. He's there, Yeah, he's there. The
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other one, it's a large one and he's there, all of it.
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Oh, come away from the window, Simon. You needn't bother pulling the
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other blind down? Now? Who are they? Claire? Which wild Halloween?
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Are those two types left over from? How many more of them are
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there? How many more hundreds Simon? Perhaps thousands? We'll never know exactly.
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We must go, Simon at once. Shouldn't we have a little explaining
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before we do? Any going? There isn't time Those two down. There
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will be coming up soon, and when they do, you must trust me,
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Samon, you must come on, Claire. Is there anyone do you
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think we were followed? Simon? Is there anyone behind us? Looking Grand
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Central Station? There are all with people behind you? Tell me? Are
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we needing a train or taking one train? What makes you think we're taking
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a train? Diamond? Well, I should have warned you every now and
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then I get a little rational like thinking the reason we're here in a railroad
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terminal has something to do with a train. Did I say something to distrusting
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me? Huh? We call me? Just need to do minut If I
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meant it, you mean there's another way. So that's why we came here.
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We must do this more often. No, don't talk. I'm your
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sweetheart. I'm going away again. Coach, Please, this is no time
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to joke. He's watching his Kissney, Well, I'll force myself. Who
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Simon? Intent for you? Dog? You he's got I must remember to
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do something very nice for him sometime. And now, sweetheart, watch and
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now, sweetheart, we really do say goodbye. We've w we say goodbye,
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but come now, don't look so bewildered, but sweetheart by Simon,
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and thanks for the use of a hall. You forgot to close the door,
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mister Templar, Yes, so I did. But since it's my door,
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I think I'll leave it open this time, especially since you're just about
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ready to leave. You are wrong, Saints, I am not ready to
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leave. I have a few things I must do before I go. What
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sort of thing. Perhaps I shall kill you first. In fact, I'm
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quite sure that I shall. But that is the least of what I must
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do here in your apartment. Here, if you insist on killing me,
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I'm afraid that I'll have to insist that you regard it as important. Oh,
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it is important only to you and to the policeman who will have the
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tiresome task of finding out who did it. You will shut the door,
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please, Saint. I will shut the door. As for your new friend,
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Saint, the matter of your death will be to them nearly a temporary
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inconvenient and for me the matter of my death will be, I'm afraid,
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a rather permanent inconvenience. Well, I'm to be killed by a luger.
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I see, so glad it isn't one of the cheaper guns. How splendidly
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you whistle as you past the graveyard. It's too bad, too bad,
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you could have been so useful to us. You mean there are more at
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home like you? There are more. Perhaps there are not as many as
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there should be, but we make up for our numerical deficiency by knowing that
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right is on our side. It should be a great comfort to me as
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I lie in my corfin, to know that I wasn't murdered by bad men,
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but by good men. There's a great pity you did not think along
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those lines before the temple, before, before what before you decided to join
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them instead of us. It's almost midnight. I hope we shall not have
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to wait very much longer. We are waiting for some a messenger with a
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package for you. A package? How nice? Aren't you just dying to
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know what's in it? Hardly since I am the one who sent it to
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you. When the boy arrives, Templar, you will go to the door
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and accept the package. Oh I will, Indeed you will, and I
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shall be right behind you, and so will this loogirl. Needless to say,
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my friend, any attempt to seek help from the messenger will result in
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noting your execution. But the boys as well. You played dirty poker,
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don't you Hawaii? Oh it does not matter Hawaiian, but it does to
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me. I al would like to know who I'm being murdered by. Oh,
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I am called nothing Vaccine. So you're Maxine. You have heard of
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me? Oh, but of course she learned about me in Mexico City.
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I despise people who are abnormally inquisitive, just as you must. But by
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she, I suppose you mean Claire. Ah, that is what she calls
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herself. Now, Claire, she's very beautiful. You're not. When I
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saw you kissing in the railroad station before, I almost envied you, until
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I realized that you would soon be dead. What is it, Saint?
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No more whistling? That's the graveyard. And I was just thinking, so
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you were the one way you put on a little performance for in the railroad
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station, eh performance, And until you saw Claire and me together, you
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imagined, for some reason or other, that I was at bat for your
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team. Oh please say so North waste the last moment your life and resorting
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to childish ruses. I think prayer is much more fitting to the occasion,
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don't you see macdine Claire's reason for getting me to the railroad station was to
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make you think that she and I were on the same fig of course,
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and she was the one who knew that my train was due at that time,
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May not you she I was supposed to know when you were to arrive.
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You received my Letpard dies You know you must have I received your answer
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at all, please saying please stop clutching at strats. I am going to
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kill you. It is inevitable you'd die as soon as I regained the package.
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Yes, the package. It was fortunate that I had the good sense
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to send it ahead to you when the train stopped in Philadelphia, was it
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not. I should have been dead by now if I had not done so.
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You know, vaccine. I find myself in a very unusual position.
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Oh, I quite agree. It isn't every day that one gets killed.
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I meant it's unusual, because if I weren't going to die by means of
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that efficient looking little luger of yours, I think I'd probably drop dead.
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I'm a case of acute curiosity. Just the messenger, my definitely, that's
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not for whom the bell told it told for the who is packet Steplas,
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do not open the door all the way that's not sural, perfectly natural.
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I will be right behind you. Remember as you both you and the boys.
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You got to open up. I want to go home. I mean
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Henry, it's about time. And my name ain't Henry, it's Marris.
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Oh mind Simon. But in a few minutes someone is going to change it
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to mind. It's no matter what you jump like that for something. Jab
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into your back, jabbed into my back. No, no, no,
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it's an old family of fliction, spasms of the Calabassies. You must let
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me tell you about it. It always come not me. You don't tell
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about it. Tell you doctor. I got to get home and get some
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sleep. I'm pitching tomorrow, pitching. Say are you a picture? I'll
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say I am. I'm the best picture we got. Maybe you heard of
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our team, the Brooklyn Beavers. The Brooklyn Beavers, of course I've heard
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of them. Yeah where why, Well, everybody's heard of the Brooklyn Beavers,
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especially an old Yankee pitcher like me. Morning you pitch for the Yankees.
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Hey, hey, look, maybe you can help me with gee another
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spasma of the Calahusas. Huh so bad the things that happened to form of
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pitches. Hey, look, mister, can you show me how to develop
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a good wind up? Wind up? You want me to show you how
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I used to wind up for a pitch? Gee? Would you sure?
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Now? First you put this foot, the left one, out about two
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feet two feet huh I. Next, classed the ball in both hands and
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raise your arms up over your head towards the back as far back as they'll
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go like this. That's right, you're getting it. Then using all the
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strengthen your legs all the strength. Now you suddenly kick back. What's the
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what's the noise in there? It sounds like somebody got herten and so down?
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What my mine is? Big ones? You're us? And furthermore,
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you never pitch for no Yankees. You don't think so? I know so
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I never seen such a lousy wind up. Here. It's your package and
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you can just forget about the tip. Buddy thinks the things some people tell
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you, and for what only so they can impress you. Come on,
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Max, wake up some now it's time to be alive again. Here.
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Now see if some of the there that's hey, wait a minute, that's
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Napoleon, Brandy. If you still at Napoleon, and I will never forgive
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you that you don't feel very well, do you? Max? Is that
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any kind of a look now to throw at a man who's just been feeding
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you? Napoleon Brandy? Go on, you'll hold the gun, get it?
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Oh? With it? You mean shoot you? Oh? I wouldn't
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dream of shooting you, Max, wh I'd be lonesome without you the diet.
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I can't tell you how much I've been looking forward to an inch by
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inch travelog based on your trip to Mexico. You will get nothing from you,
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said, go ahead, shoot. I will not be the first man
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to die for something you believe. Thank you, Nathan Hale. Oh?
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Oh, yes, I know. And you must try to forgive me.
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But after all, what a little kick in the pit of the stomach between
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friends. Tomorrow, perhaps you'll be kicking me in the stomach. Water.
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I'll get you water, but I won't give you one. You'll have to
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buy it. Buy it by answering a question. The thing I found in
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the package? What makes it so valuable? No, I will not tell
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you I cannot water. Please, maybe you can buy yourself a glass of
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water with the answer to this. I shall not answer any question. You
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have courage, my friend. But here's a question anyhow, there's a little
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man in a floppy hat and a suit that's too large for him, and
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another man roughly patterned after the Empire State Building. You know, yes your
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sign? Oh no, no temple not outside shating? Well, you're just
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one yourself? A glass of water? Would you like to try for two?
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We'll not answer any more questions. Stop a little fellow, aren't you
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I'll get your water and then I will make sure that you will be here
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when I get back. And you're going on just down to the corner.
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I want to ask those two curious employees as Satan's just why they prefer to
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spend the night on the street staring up at my windows when beds are so
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much more comfortable. Excuse me? What is it? Shoe? May I
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trouble you for a light? Oh yes, sir, I'm like your value
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A cigarette is already it is? You mean I've been smoking all this time?
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It didn't need how my old a cigaret? You're gone now, no
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more talk. That's amazing. This is the first time in all these years
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I've ever heard the Empire State Building speak. And just what are you doing
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so far from thirty fourth Street? Ran out on your foundations. You're gone
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now or I hurt any gentlemen? Just trying to find honey Ali? Ali?
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Didn't I read something recently about you and Rita Haywn. You're gone now?
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You must forgive my friends, and he's very sensitive and very inhospitable.
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Now if you were visiting me in my home, or haven't you acquired squatter's
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rights to this stretch of sidewalk yet? I cannot understand? But then I
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will be blunt exactly what about my windows? It's so fascinating to you and
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this near eastern Gargantua that you make a career out of observing them. I'm
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as friends, you are mistaken, my friend, and I arrived at this
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particular frience on you moments ago. You were standing here, and did you
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breeze fresh air? Not to watch anyone's windows. I make him to go
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now. But it's quite all right, gentlemen. Is just making chalk,
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that's right, I'm just making talk. As I was telling a friend of
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mine before, a fellow named Maxim, who recently returned from Mexico City.
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I said, Max, this thing you brought back from Mexico with you seems
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so absolutely worth it. But it must actually be very valuable, since so
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many people are willing to commit murder for it. He's good. I bought
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justice, man, Victor. I think, I say, you give the
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signal. He's a right thing. I do exactly right, my John,
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exactly. And now if you will be so kind to carry him to the
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car. I have a feeling of the leader would like to have a talk
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with this man who caught himself the Saint Hesh Schmidt would like to talk to
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you. What I said her Schmidt would like to have it talk. Tell
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him I never see anyone without an appointment. You'll be respectful. One in
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the presence of the leader could be either he conducts an orchestra, because there
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were questions and you can a slap in the village, a sense of sin
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on your seat. That's all right, Victor, mister Teendler, can I
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mean see that if you want to see Victor, I can sit here if
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I want to, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you you must be
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Schmidt. That just correct. And now, Chamindler, if it immediately get
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down to the business at hand. There is it? You mean you live
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here and you don't know. I have no intention of wasting time listening to
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your misguided at Thames that you am a templar. You know the object of
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which I prefer, I must have it at once. You're here, I
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hear and two will get you five. There are people in Germany who can
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also hear. Stops. You're studying that face lapping business. Again. I
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told you before you has to be more respectful and the leader speak. If
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you just untie my hands for a moment, I'll show both you and the
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Leader exactly how much respect I have for both of you. How fine temptor?
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Where is it? What the glass? You find? A little whiskey
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glass that got a pig? Both? Do you from Mexico? Oh?
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That you know? I had a feeling it was that whiskey glass you were
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after? Where is it? Try the five and ten? Oh? You
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know, Victor, someone's going to have to cure you of that habit.
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You're going to hit that hand someday. Will answer the Leader's question, where
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is the whisky glass? I give the correct answer? Do I get to
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try for the giant jackpot? If you give the correct answer, sign you
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get to die simply and quickly and without and have you annoying little touches.
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My friend Ali is so good. You make it sounds so attractive. The
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glass is in my apartment, you lie, alien, pick the search all
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over your apart. The glass you're looking for is mixed in with all my
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other whiskey glasses. They all look alike. And you lie, I've wanted
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back here horn of your whiskey glass. No, that's the hon and the
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one we want is not to moten for the last time, says what did
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you do with it? Very well? The guy, I guess I know
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when I'm like, ah huh, now you are getting vine. The glass
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is in a check locker at Grand Central station. Check looker the keys in
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the locker, there's the key. Well, I'd be very happy to go
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home and get it for you. That will not be necessary. Then tell
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us where the keeps hidden. It's hidden in the lamp on my desk,
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in a lamp veil in the lamp, in the socket where the bulb screws
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on. Just unscrew the bulb and put your finger inside the socket. You'll
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get it. You've better be tiding the true sampler. I'll go at once
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as Schmidt. You'll come with yeah him, he's well, Hi side,
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HOLLI will return in a little while before you go, Vick, I suppose
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you answer me a question. They tell me, who's your tailor? My
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tailor. I've been admiring that duke you have on. I think it's very
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considerate of your tailor to make it two sizes too large. And in case
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you have a friend visiting, Oh my goodness, rest, I say for
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Aley. He will do his best to entertain you while we are gone.
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He will do tricks, all sorts of tricks with hot iron and lighted matches.
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And she will see. Let us go half shoe after you, mine
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hair after you soon soon. I really get hot, I really get very
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hot. Why send my laundry out? Ally? It burnt pouskin? You
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like that? I love it, But I'm a little disappointed in you.
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Ally, your friend Victor claimed that you had some fresh and original ideas.
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That hot iron stuff goes back to the Middle Ages, which is where I
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wouldn't mind going back to right now. Business best torture man in all world?
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You you know better? Why me? You thought your man that best?
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I no believe you mean to say you've never heard of terrible templar.
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The trouble with you is you just haven't been attending the annual Torture is Convention,
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Pa. Would you mind turning your head the other way next time you
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say par that's the kind of torture I don't desive. I not believe you
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not torture three pally, You just ignorant that So why my butterfly twist is
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famous everywhere torture is practiced one first prize of the Iowa State Stop iron soon,
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then I show you hot irons, PA, high school stuff. Tell
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me how many lighted matches can you put under a fingernail? Three to reach
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me? Three? Only three? You do? Batter? How many you
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pull? Fourteen? One? Thingel very? I no belief your big show.
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So I'm a liar. I suppose now you want me to prove.
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You'll proof. You show me and tie my hands from behind his chair,
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and I'll show you what clean watches. Big shore A liar? You wanna
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pie from chair? No, you should be with the greatest of Sorry,
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I broke the chair in your head, Allie. I was getting sort of
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fond of that chair. Hello, Simon, sweetheart, you've come back to
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me. Yes, I've come back. But it's too late on the street.
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Too late on be cilly care Grand Central stations open all night? Or
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should we do our kissing right here? Okay, Simon, I'm not in
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the mood for banner. There is a man here in your apartment. He's
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in the other room. That's Maxine. Sure do you remember good old Maxine?
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Oh? Yes, I have much reason to remember Maxine. He said
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he was shot. Oh oh, that's too bad. He was a game
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little guy. You killed him? No, the unhopey twosome was here looking
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for the glass. They did it, the little man in a badly sitting
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coat in the giant Arab Yes, I should have guessed. But the whiskey
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glass, Simon, What happened to the whiskey glass? They have it Victor,
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and many calls the leader the leader. He's in New York. Schmid
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is here, all right, but believe me not to stay. Nor is
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Victor long for this world. Now I'm going to ask them questions, and
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what's more, I'm going to get some answers. Yes, Simon, I
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think you're entitled to some answers. You don't know why the glass is so
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important to you. Obviously, it carries somebody's fingerprints. I can't think of
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any other reason why a ten cent whiskey glass could be important. But who's
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you have heard of? Carl Brood, Karl Brooter, Brooter, yes,
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Hitler, they're apparent the man selected most likely to succeed him, but he's
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dead. Who is never completely proven he was thought to be dead. Go
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on, Claire, we have an organization among some of my countrymen which has
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sworn to track these beasts down. Well, we found Carl Bruder, our
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biggest prize in Mexico City. He'd had his face changed by surgery. He
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no longer was a fancy dresser he used to be. He used to call
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him the Nazi Beau Brummel. But still, adding together a hundred minute facts
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and clues, we knew it was Bruder. Well, why didn't you tell
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the government, Claire? They'd taken over from there on because everyone now takes
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it for granted the Bruder is dead. They can't conceive that he's alive.
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So you got his fingerprints, the one thing that couldn't change that would prove
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that Bruda was alive. Yes, we were going to send the glass to
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Germany to have the prince compared with the set of prints known to be Brutus
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that exists there. Then they would have believed us. Then they'd have to
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arrest him and make him answer for his crimes. But he knew that someone
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had gotten hold of the glass with his fingerprints, whose life or death to
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him to get it back. I was charged with bringing the glass here the
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Maxine vaccine, Poor Maxine. I was stupid. I didn't know why.
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Ours is not a very closely knittle organization, Simon. The members seldom meet
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each other. And we you mean you and for a Maxine were playing on
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the same team. Yes, but we didn't know. Neither of us knew
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we each threatened too bad. When you heard that max was coming to me
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to help him, you stage that scene in the station to make him think
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that I joined up on your varsity. Yes, yes, Irish Max would
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still be a live a fight. What's the use? It isn't Maxine's life
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that bothers me too much Now, it's losing the glass that is the unforgivable
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part of it. Now, brutal won't get away. What do you Betty
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doesn't a long evening in Grand Central station, you know any Simon, not
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even a light bringing. No, And I was sure I'll have him to
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return, Yes, Template, how put if you took return, and we
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taught you didn't especially care for our hospitality. Is it just fanny? He
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isn't careful, saying Charlie torture man's second class. But he doesn't know about
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our modern and improved methods with phillamorgue. I see you have brought a gift,
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Templar. How nice to have you here, my dear. I'm frightened.
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Frightened. You mustn't be fine just because I'm holding a gun, My
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dear, dying from a bullet is as a pleasant compared with some other way.
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He said, Yes, mister TEMpl she isn't afraid of the gun.
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Victor. It's that that duke you're wearing. I'm warning, and I too,
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well. Well, the leader heard his finger. It's gonna look terrible
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when you salute yourself in the mirror. Now enough, but then the leader,
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it's your own fault. A great, big leader like you should know
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better than to put his finger in a live light sock. Enough, you
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will be quiet. You here, here, you're rattling the ruins of the
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Reichschanfery. And they're such lovely ruins. You wonder with a poor simple minded
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I know, I know, I have to use deception on poor simple minded
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Ali, but on you are you? That's what I use on poor simple
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minded Victor and the glorious Leader. How does it feel to be looking down
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the wrong end of a looker for once boys? Only for you and others
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like you, it's the right end. Very well, you're fun, Templar,
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But you still must prove that I, Johann Schmidt, am carpruder and
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without the glasses. It's true. I do not have the glass you have.
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Ah, how unfortunate for you. But I have a role of film.
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He yes, I dusted the glass with powder and photographs the print,
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so I've got the fingerprints and more important, I've got the leader, right,
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very very Templar, You've got yes, Johann Schmidt, I've got you
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too. But it's Bruder who's the star attraction in my show. But I
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am Brewder. You're Bruder? Huh? And you think Johann Schmidt, the
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German equivalent of John Smith, is the ideal alias for a wanted man.
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It was an easy name, and the hot shot hearer lets little Victor precede
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him from a room. Oh come come, if you were the leader loud
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mouth, the Dictator's union would have you up on charges for that one.
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But he is the leader, he's Bruder. I'm swelling sure, and Claire
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and I are Hansling's Vettel. Your car bruder, little man, That's why
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you wear such a badly fitting suit. The Bruder was the Nazi bau Brummel.
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So your disguise called for you to get as far away from elegance as
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you could, didn't it not. It's not true, Schmidt is car brus.
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I still think enough of good clothes to get furious every time someone makes
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a crack about your appearance. Don't you look at you? Oh that suit
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looks awful, Victor, It's got enough room in it for three little tramps
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like you. You see, there you go again, the furious suiler.
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You know, when you get mad, you look just like that other tramp
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at all, that is. But why worry about your clothes at a time
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like this, Bruder? What do you care what you wear when they hang
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story with a Peter Lourie sound alike. But having it turn out that the
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Peter Lourie sounded like is actually the Big Boss is definitely a surprise. And
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this is a little bit of a change from the traditional Saint episode, though
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