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"From the Law Firm of Howard, Howard & Fine?" (Saturday, January 10, 2026, Hour 3) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Let your rage.
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  Speaker 2: You do you want to come at us? I said,
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  Speaker 2: go get yourself some mine kind of black.
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  Speaker 3: We'll do it mornings, creating the first thing today love
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  Speaker 3: the UK MEDIAZ alright, Thomas, we'll do it lot your.
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  Speaker 4: Word said, steal me, step me have a day at
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  Speaker 4: least for work, when the sun.
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  Speaker 5: Comes up, drops a kid to school, joys everything, agenda
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  Speaker 5: all the Chasu.
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  Speaker 6: Needs no one that Josh smile. He only as.
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  Speaker 7: Joe.
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  Speaker 8: God bless you for letting me be of service to
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  Speaker 8: you this morning on the program where I tell you
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  Speaker 8: what went on last night. Then we'll give you our
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  Speaker 8: analysis of what went on last night. But most importantly,
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  Speaker 8: I want to hear about how what went on last
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  Speaker 8: night has impacted you where you are. This email to
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  Speaker 8: JT in the morning at gmail dot com from Mary
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  Speaker 8: that says heroism of this simple It's beautiful and now
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  Speaker 8: I understand your theme song, Joe. These are the places
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  Speaker 8: where heroism is raising good kids, being a good member
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  Speaker 8: of your community. How did we forget this stuff? Because
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  Speaker 8: we get the wrong message often from our our entertainment.
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  Speaker 8: Our entertainment obviously is designed to take these themes and
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  Speaker 8: make them, you know, more easily digestible. You know, we
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  Speaker 8: we become enamored with why Darth Vader became the bad guy.
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  Speaker 8: We want to know why the Grinch stole Christmas, and
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  Speaker 8: we use it as an excuse rather than an educational tool.
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  Speaker 8: When when a mirror is held up to us, think
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  Speaker 8: of the phrase victim shaming. We you know, we were
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  Speaker 8: just at the Consumer Electronics show with all this technology.
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  Speaker 8: There's a mirror, a mirror that will tell you how
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  Speaker 8: healthy you are simply by shining some light on your
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  Speaker 8: face for thirty seconds. I don't know its necessarily know
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  Speaker 8: all the technology as to how they do it, but
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  Speaker 8: it's cholesterol levels and they were backing it up. They
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  Speaker 8: were shown then giving you the actual tests and saying, see,
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  Speaker 8: our mirror is correct. But there will be those who
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  Speaker 8: say that's not fair. This is my real self, and
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  Speaker 8: that you know, being grievously overweight and in danger of
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  Speaker 8: massive health issues is my right as a free American.
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  Speaker 8: Of course, after I ask you all to kick in
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  Speaker 8: some tax money to pay for my medical bills, damn you,
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  Speaker 8: you have no right to say I'm living unhealthily. But
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  Speaker 8: the heroism of every day, the heroism of saying to
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  Speaker 8: somebody Hey, I think you may have had too much
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  Speaker 8: to drink. That kind of stuff. That's the superhero stuff.
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  Speaker 8: That's not Iron Man, that's not Spider Man. It's the
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  Speaker 8: simple stuff that is heroic. I have to address this
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  Speaker 8: test message from Jerry, who says, Joe, you said you
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  Speaker 8: were stuck in airplane mode? Is that why all of
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  Speaker 8: your recorded announcements come with the sound effect of a
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  Speaker 8: propeller plane but in the background. Lol. Surely you can't
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  Speaker 8: be serious. Well, yes, this is what it sounds like
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  Speaker 8: when you're stuck in airplane mode and can't do a
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  Speaker 8: live radio program. And believe me, I'm loath to be
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  Speaker 8: that guy. I dislike not being live with you. But
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  Speaker 8: because of the flight we left, I think our plane
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  Speaker 8: left Las Vegas. And if you're going to name an
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  Speaker 8: airport in Las Vegas after a dodgy American historical figure,
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  Speaker 8: couldn't it have been Howard Hughes, not Harcourt Fenton Reid.
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  Speaker 8: For heaven's sake. I mean, my gosh, why why do
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  Speaker 8: I have to go to Harry Reid International Airport? I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I'm looking at the screen saying, do I believe you
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  Speaker 8: when you say my flight leaves at ten fifty nine
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  Speaker 8: or eleven fifty nine, whatever it was, or am I
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  Speaker 8: going to miss my flight? And then the airline, you know,
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  Speaker 8: the airport consumer call will say you're going to miss
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  Speaker 8: your flight anyway. Our first things this morning candlelight vigils
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  Speaker 8: citizen or citizenship, where elected officials gained some notoriety for
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  Speaker 8: talking about people who stand up for their neighbor who
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  Speaker 8: call this country home. Yet more information coming out about
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  Speaker 8: A Minnesota prosecutor is now calling on the public to
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  Speaker 8: they were challenging. President Trump Friday night announced that he
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  Speaker 8: So, who is this guy that the that apparently Nicholas
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  Speaker 8: Maduro's family.
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  Speaker 3: You know and and you know.
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  Speaker 8: So when you try to read in between the lines
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  Speaker 8: of a story, uh, and you try to poke round
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  Speaker 8: and find consistencies amongst the inconsistencies, and this, this Maduro
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  Speaker 8: trial fascinates me, mostly because I truly still to this
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  Speaker 8: of a sudden, he's been given this access to say,
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  Speaker 8: oh yeah, we found out all about the special forces
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  Speaker 8: unit that did the raid and got the Cubans, and
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  Speaker 8: the Cubans were guarded. Why would thirty two Cubans be
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  Speaker 8: guarding Nicholas Maduro? Why would thirty two Cubans be quote
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  Speaker 8: guarding according to the story the narrative that's being spun
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  Speaker 8: out out of the Meduro rescue, which is what I'm
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  Speaker 8: calling it, the extraction, all right, to be fair, all right,
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  Speaker 8: we'll call it an extraction because that implies neither an
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  Speaker 8: arrest or rescue. But Nicholas Maduro is either being guarded
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  Speaker 8: by or in the custody of thirty two Cuban officers,
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  Speaker 8: supposedly allegedly. And then you know, he's just seen walking
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  Speaker 8: with him, like they're walking up to Camp David. And
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  Speaker 8: he's not struggling, he doesn't have a black hood on
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  Speaker 8: his head, he's not digging his heels in, saying no,
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  Speaker 8: let me go back, No, let me go back. He's
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  Speaker 8: not struggling in any way, shape or form. There's just
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  Speaker 8: a lot of bits of this Nicholas Maduro thing. They
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  Speaker 8: sitting right here. And I grew up in a world
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  Speaker 8: where you know, the mob lawyers would get out, you know,
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  Speaker 8: with more expensive suits than the mob bosses would get
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  Speaker 8: up there on the stands. And you'anna, my client is
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  Speaker 8: an upstanding citizen of the Brooklyn neighborhood in which he
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  Speaker 8: was born and raised, giving lots of money to the
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  Speaker 8: Boys and Girls Club. No, no, you're asking where my
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  Speaker 8: client got the money. That's irrelevant. All kinds of stuff
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  Speaker 8: is a childhood to be reveled in. So who is
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  Speaker 8: this Bruce Fine? So already Barry Pollock, this high priced
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  Speaker 8: attorney being paid for by somebody, is supposedly now arguing
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  Speaker 8: that he is being replaced by this Bruce Fine guy.
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  Speaker 8: So Pollock represented Julian Assange. Fine was called in by
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  Speaker 8: the family of who is the who is the spy?
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  Speaker 8: The aternity of the he him They Snowden, Right, So
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  Speaker 8: Snowden's dad calls Fine in to defend him. You say, huh,
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  Speaker 8: that's interesting. He called for the impeachment of George W.
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  Speaker 8: Bush and Bill Clinton over their acts of war both
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  Speaker 8: within the country and without, filed a class action suit
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  Speaker 8: against the Obama administration over the prison program, the NSSA,
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  Speaker 8: the surveillance system, and worked with a personal friend of mine,
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  Speaker 8: Ken Coochinelli on that case. So he's enigmatic because he's
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  Speaker 8: taken varying sides of things. But according to court records,
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  Speaker 8: he has been contacted by let's a phrase, and you
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  Speaker 8: have to use these lawyers phrases so carefully. Individuals credibly
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  Speaker 8: scituated within Maduro's inner circle or family, Well, which is it,
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  Speaker 8: Because if it was somebody in Meduro's family that called
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  Speaker 8: Bruce Fine to come in, then that's different than individuals
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  Speaker 8: credibly situated within Maduro's inner Fine called the case extraordinary,
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  Speaker 8: startling and the viper like circumstances that led to his
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  Speaker 8: capture that he wants to do. But it's just when
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  Speaker 8: the phrase individuals credibly situated within Meduro's inner circle. So
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  Speaker 8: Meduro didn't call for a new lawyer. He's good with
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  Speaker 8: Julian Asanga's lawyer, Barry Pollock. But I still see where
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  Speaker 8: this is heading to conclusions that a lot of us
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  Speaker 8: aren't going to be sanguined with because we're not going
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  Speaker 8: to know. It's just like the text message we got earlier.
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  Speaker 8: Why does it seem like everything the US government does
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  Speaker 8: creates or generates thirty new conspiracies or theories about the conspiracies.
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  Speaker 8: It's because they're engaging in state craft. One of the
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  Speaker 8: things that this fine guy apparently, I mean, if you
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  Speaker 8: look at all this collected works and you disregard the
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  Speaker 8: fact that he could call for George W. Bush's impeachment
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  Speaker 8: and Bill Clinton's could come to the aid of the
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  Speaker 8: family of Edward Snowden, but continually fights against places, you know,
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  Speaker 8: Sri Lanka, Armenia, the genocides going on there. He also
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  Speaker 8: presented articles of impeachment on Donald Trump. So who is
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  Speaker 8: this guy? Is Is he a leftist? Is he a rightist?
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  Speaker 8: He worked with Ken Kuchenelli, who's one of the most
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  Speaker 8: conservative people out there, but a brutal constitutionalist. Is there
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  Speaker 8: something afoot here that's bringing Fine into the case. It
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  Speaker 8: worked under Reagan actually went into the Department of Justice
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  Speaker 8: under Watergate. Interesting, you know, curriculum vitee for this Bruce
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  Speaker 8: Fine character. But he seems like a brutal constitutionalist if
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  Speaker 8: he worked, if he works with Ken Kuchinelli, I cannot
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  Speaker 21: A DH's official confirms the video is recorded on the
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  Speaker 21: This is disturbing content here it is.
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  Speaker 22: That's why I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine.
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  Speaker 6: No good.
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  Speaker 8: Is the bodycam footage which now is being decried by
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  Speaker 8: Bodycam footage blowing up the narrative out of Minneapolis, showing
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  Speaker 8: things like that, because some of these, like in the
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  Speaker 6: It can go to.
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  Speaker 8: These groups like indivisible Minneapolis or Twin Cities. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 8: But that's where we are right now. We are in
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  Speaker 8: a world where the people who want America to not
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  Speaker 8: be the country of individe Jewels, but to be cogs
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  Speaker 8: as quickly as you'd say hey to them. And so
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  Speaker 8: there's anger at those who gaslight people like Renee Good.
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  Speaker 8: And they were out and this statement from the attorney
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  Speaker 8: approved vigils from around the country talking about how these
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  Speaker 8: groups were there to defend neighbors who were calling America home.
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  Speaker 8: It is specific.
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  Speaker 5: It is so.
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  Speaker 8: Dripping with legal ease when you read that from vice
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  Speaker 8: indivisible Twin Cities were just standing up for all their
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  Speaker 8: neighbors who call this country their home. Is it their home?
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  Speaker 5: See?
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  Speaker 8: This is why I say you have to watch for
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  Speaker 8: Yet these activists, when you find out that the Department
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  Speaker 8: couldn't care less. They shrugg because it's the agenda of
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  Speaker 8: And they'll earn the vote of leftists because they'll be
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  Speaker 8: And they're sadly gasped hypocrites because they're against things like citizenship.
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  Speaker 8: But then they'll run and hide behind various amendments. This
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  Speaker 8: text message is indicative of exactly that Tom writes in
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  Speaker 8: Listening in Patchog. I appreciate it, Tom Long, Island News Radio.
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  Speaker 8: On this very subject, Joe, don't these people have a
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  Speaker 5: They do.
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  Speaker 8: of the Supreme Court ruling that basically inoculated a lot
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  Speaker 8: of the American press from its liability under libel law,
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  Speaker 8: as a general counsel to the FCC. So you know,
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  Speaker 8: you could be thanking them for all of the things
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  Speaker 8: that the New York Press says about Donald Trump in
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  Speaker 8: the paper. But the implication might be that they're going
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  Speaker 8: to try to have the surveillance of Nicholas Maduro thrown out,
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  Speaker 8: saying that you know it was there a warrant? Was
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  Speaker 8: there a certainly we saw how they got a FISA
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  Speaker 8: warrant issued for Donald Trump and his associates. What were
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  Speaker 8: the instances of the warrants that were engaged to surveil
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  Speaker 8: Nicholas Maduro prior to his capture?
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  Speaker 6: And I'm.
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  Speaker 8: I'm still not one hundred percent on board with the
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  Speaker 8: idea that this was an arrest. I still hold that
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  Speaker 8: there are so many holes in how this went down
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  Speaker 8: that this looks much more like somebody trying to make
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  Speaker 8: it look like an arrest. Bob says, great, another lawyer
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  Speaker 8: helping another drug runner skirt the penalties for his actions
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  Speaker 8: by using our law against us. Joe, do you have
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  Speaker 8: any wonder why people protest the law the way they
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  Speaker 8: do in Minneapolis when lawbreakers and murderers can it off
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  Speaker 8: scot free and regular people wind up spending thirty years
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  Speaker 8: in prison. Well, Bob and I appreciate the email at
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  Speaker 8: jt Indmorning Radio at gmail dot com. The Constitution, as
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  Speaker 8: I read it, applies in very specific ways. Now that
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  Speaker 8: Maduro is in your US custody in the United States,
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  Speaker 8: some of that transfers to him. But understand, the Fourth
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  Speaker 8: Amendment doesn't say the government cannot surveil you. It specifically
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  Speaker 8: lays out, more appropriately exactly how the government has to
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  Speaker 8: behave in order to surveil you. The Fifth Amendment doesn't
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  Speaker 8: say the government can't take your private property. It just
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  Speaker 8: specifically lays out how they have to do it. The
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  Speaker 8: First Amendment doesn't guarantee a newspaper on your corner, as
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  Speaker 8: some people would think. It guarantees your right to publish something,
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  Speaker 8: but it doesn't stop you from being sued for libel
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  Speaker 8: regardless of what this Bruce Fine did in the years
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  Speaker 8: gone by. But whether or not he's actually even a
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  Speaker 8: lawyer on the Maduro case is still up in the air.
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  Speaker 8: Supposedly somebody close to his inner circle has requested find
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  Speaker 8: be added to the what and none of this story
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  Speaker 8: does anything to break me of the feeling that there's
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  Speaker 8: something going on here, whether it has to do with
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: dominion voting or information about the drug cartels. Who their
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  Speaker 8: real leaders are, not just the ones that are propped
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  Speaker 8: up for the DA agents to come and arrest. And
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  Speaker 8: that's the part that you know. I don't know what
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  Speaker 8: the answer is to it yet, whether or not Maduro's
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  Speaker 8: here to seek state's evidence on something, or we arrested
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  Speaker 8: him simply of the idea that, well, if we're going
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  Speaker 8: to arrest anyone in Venezuela to try to help us
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  Speaker 8: crack down on the drug manufacturers, why don't we just
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  Speaker 8: go to the big guy. I mean, it would be
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  Speaker 8: like somebody in Ukraine investigating Hunter Biden and his family
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  Speaker 8: for Yeah, so that would never happen. So as we
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  Speaker 8: finish up this Saturday morning, we'll be back for you
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  Speaker 8: Monday morning. And I appreciate you hanging with me yesterday
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  Speaker 8: as well. I am loathed to do those recorded programs
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  Speaker 8: because so much goes on on a day to day basis.
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  Speaker 8: And now we have the bodycam footage and the hypocrisy,
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  Speaker 8: and watch for the thirty somethings. The thirty somethings are
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: already walking away from Minneapolis, and maybe that means we
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  Speaker 8: can start looking into the fraud that went on there.
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  Speaker 8: And you give up on this part of the story,
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: which is sadly as set up as it could be.
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  Speaker 8: I mean as if they were writing a script to
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  Speaker 8: a movie. Remember you're guaranteed a right to peaceably assemble
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  Speaker 8: as we do here each weekday morning until Monday at five.
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  Speaker 8: So long and thanks for all the fish.
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