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040 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S3 Recap · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. Today we are joined by a very special guest in person, John. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So John has been my friend for ten years now. We met at work. He we no longer work together, but we've stayed friends. John left. John left. John left us. and yeah. John: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. Today we are joined by a very special guest in person, John. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So John has been my friend for ten years now. Yeah. We met at work. He we no longer work together, but we've stayed friends. John left. John left us. John left us. and yeah. Mat: Welcome back to Reality Hits Map. I'm your host Michelle. And I'm Matt. Today we are joined So John has been my friend. John John left. John left us. John left us. Michelle Harris: I met you at a Halloween party. Well, not met you, but I went to your Halloween party. John: I met you at a Halloween party. Well not met you, but it was my Halloween party. And you crashed Mat: You crashed his Halloween party? man. John: my Halloween Yeah. Kinda, kinda. Yes. She crashed my Halloween party. Michelle Harris: Kinda, kinda. Not kinda, yes. I was invited by someone else and then you were too nice to say no and I said this is my opportunity to make friends so I went. Look at us now. And look at us now. Now you're ashing John: I was invited by someone else, and then you were too nice to say no, and I said, This is my opportunity to make friends, so I went. True look at us now. Yeah. Now I'm crashing your podcast. So Mat: Look at us now. Here we are. Here we are. It all comes full circle. John: It all comes fuller. Michelle Harris: you're bugs. So You know, all the Halloween parties are not all bad. I'll say that. Mat: a little Secret Lives, the Mormon Wives reference there. season one. was it season one? man. So John, you do Michelle Harris: 'Cause the Halloween parties and Secret Lives. Yeah. Yeah. That was season one. That was season one. That was season one. Yeah. So you do John: Call back to season two. season one So John. Mat: you watch the show? John: I have watched the show. It's been a little while since season three. I've brushed up a little bit. You've you have you watched through four? You've watched everything? Yes. One through four, everything. You listen to the podcast. I do. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. I've been reliving it with you guys. So does Julia watch with you? She does, yeah. So you guys watch together. Mat: been a little while since season three. But you've watched up a little bit. You've you've have you watched through four? You've watched everything? Yes. One through four, everything. You listen to the podcast. We appreciate that. Thank you so much. reliving be Yeah. So does Julia watch with you? She does. Okay. So you guys watch together. Michelle Harris: One through four, everything. You listen to the podcast. I do appreciate that. Thank you so much. I've been reliving it when you mean. Mat: Yeah. We like to watch so that you know it makes us feel like our John: Yeah, we like to watch it so that, you know, it makes us f feel like our relationship is amazing. 'Cause we have no Mat: Better about your own life. John: drama. Michelle Harris: Doesn't that make us all feel normal? Mat: That's really funny though, but like throughout all of like was it season one or two where whoever was talking to Demi and they were like you and Brett just have the best relationship. Like it is just perfect. John: talking to Jenny and they were like, you and Brad like just have the best relationship. Like it is just perfect. Michelle Harris: It is just perfect. John: It was probably through season two. And it was like do they and then they started getting questions because Sinner Sunday came out from BBC and there was all that drama. I wanna correct myself, the Halloween party was season two because Miranda was there. So I apologize. So it wasn't season two, you guys were right. Alright I was like I was spinning my head I'm like wait that was season two. Michelle Harris: It was probably through season two. Yeah. Do they? And then they started getting questions because that Sinner Sunday came out from Macy and there was all that drama. I wanna correct myself, the Halloween party was season two because Miranda was there. So I apologize. So it was season two, you guys were right. I was like I was spinning in my head, I'm like, wait, that was season two. So Mat: And it was like do they? And then they started getting quite do they came out. Yeah, yeah. okay. Michelle Harris: Today gonna recap all of season three. Yes. John: Today we're gonna recap all of season three. Yes. Mat: Today we're gonna recap all of season three. Yes. John: So just start me off cause I don't have any idea. It all's a blur to me. Mat: So just start me off 'cause I don't have any idea. It all's a blur to me. What was season three, episode one? Like where where's the line in the sand where this season started? So this season John: What was season three, episode one? Like where where's the line in the sand where this season started? So this Michelle Harris: season three, episode one. Like where where's the line in the sand where this season started? So this season started with kind of a shocker where not really much a shocker that Demi has not returned because she walked out on the intervention from Jesse's house on season two, end of season two. Okay. But it was a shocker that Whitney hasn't returned. John: season started with kind of a shocker where not really much a shocker that Demi has not returned because she walked out on the intervention from Jesse's house on season two, end of season two. Okay. But it was a shocker that Whitney hasn't returned. Mat: Okay. and and Whitney this is where they were like Whitney wants to be on another scripted John: and and Whitney this is where they were like Whitney wants to be on another script. scripted reality show and she wants tickets to the the Oscars. The Oscars. She admitted that she wanted a scripted reality T V or a scripted show. And she said she did not ask for tickets to Oscar. So I think she admitted to one, she would admit it to both but that was the beginning of season three, which feels like a long time ago but it's really Mat: reality show and she wants tickets to the the Oscars, yes. She admitted that Michelle Harris: She did tickets to the she admitted sh she admitted that she wanted a scripted reality T V or a scripted show and she said she did not ask for tickets to Oscar. So I think if she admitted to one, she would have admitted to both. So she said no I didn't ask. Mat: She but started show and she said she did not ask for to get so I think she admitted to one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was the beginning of season three, which feels like a long time ago, but it's really what for us ten weeks ago. Right. So and then Demi wanted three times as much as the other girls. She wanted more money. John: What for us ten weeks ago. Right. So and then Demi wanted three times as much as the other people. Demi wanted more money Michelle Harris: Right. Demi wanted more money and then she was like already on the outs with girls, so she didn't return. Taylor's going off to her wellness retreat, and John: and then she was like already on the outs with girls, so she didn't return. Okay. Taylor's going off to her wellness retreat, and Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: Jen has not returned yet from her taking a break from Mom Talk. So the group has whittled down to five girls, which is Jesse, Layla, Miranda, Michaela, and Macy. John: Jen has not returned yet from her taking a break from Mop Talk. So the group has whittled down to five girls. Which is Jesse, Layla, Miranda, Michaela, and Macy. Mat: So the group has whittled down to five girls such as Jesse, Layla, Miranda, Michaela, and Macy. John: Okay. Mat: Okay. John: So four of them are kind of either on a break for mental wellness or Michelle Harris: So four of them are kind of either on a break for mental wellness or Mat: Wellness or Michelle Harris: don't want to come back 'cause they wanted more. Yeah. And then Taylor you said she was John: don't want to come back 'cause they wanted more. Yeah. And then Taylor was w you said she Mat: don't want to come back 'cause they want to come. Yeah. And then Taylor was w you said she was on her like retreat and Dakota went there was like a couple's day or whatever and they were trying to like go over like co parenting and stuff. And I mean obviously that just worked out so well. Like they're they're just doing so great. John: was on her like retreat and Dakota went there was like a couple's day or whatever and they were trying to like over like co patronate and stuff. And I mean obviously that just worked out so well. They're amazing now. Yeah. But a lot Michelle Harris: They did one day, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But a lot of the beginning of season three was the Jesse and Jordan drama and Marciano and Marciano because we ended season two with Layla confronting Marciano and getting this big revelation that he slept with Jesse. Right, right. Instead of Demi. Instead of Demi or Debbie. John: Beginning of season three was the Jesse and Jordan drama. And Marciano. The Marciana stuff, yeah. We ended season two with Layla confronting Marciano and getting this big revelation that he slept with Jesse. Right, right. Instead of Demi. Instead of Demi Or Demi Mat: the Marciano stuff, yeah. Marciano and getting this big revelation that he slept with Jesse. Right, right. Instead of Demi. Instead of Demi. Or Demi as well. And so a lot of the beginning of season three because John: as you like to say. Michelle Harris: And so a lot of the beginning of season three, because John: And so a lot of the beginning of season three, because Michelle Harris: a lot of the girls were not filming, was focused on Jesse and Jordan and their marital issues. So she kinda be she kinda became like John: a lot of the girls were not filming, was focused on Jesse and Jordan and their marital issues. Okay, yeah, yeah. So she kinda be she kinda became like Mat: focused on Jesse and Jordan and their marital issues. Okay, yeah, yeah. All right. She kinda became like the star for season Life. All a lot of the drama a lot of the drama revolved around her. Yeah, for sure. I never anticipated John: the star for season three of Secret High. A lot of the drama were involved in my partner. Yeah. And she was like, I never anticipated Michelle Harris: the star for season three of Secret Lives Mormon West. Not the star, but like the head. Yeah. Yeah. And she was like, I never anticipated being the one that was like the major drama John: being the one that was like the major drama. Michelle Harris: of of it all, but here we are. And take ownership. Take ownership. And she and she did. Admittedly she took ownership. And so did j John, did you watch the reunion? Mat: Ha ha ha. John: Her and Mr. Take Ownership. Take ownership. And she I she did. Admittedly she took ownership. Yeah. Did j John, did you watch the reunion? Mat: Take owner. Yeah, yeah. John: I don't remember much about it. Okay. I feel like if Michelle Harris: Okay. John: you I think I remember the most that there was a lot of Dunkin' Donuts stuff. There wasn't. Okay. Michelle Harris: There was. They had Mat: Lot of Michelle Harris: like ads, like or like in like they were like all drinking Dunkin'? Yeah. Yeah. It was like they had a Dunkin' Donut bar for their Dunkin' Donut refresher and you could go up to the bar as a go to the bartender to get a drink. And so it was all Dunkin' Donuts, yeah. Chase where Chase. Yeah. Smok. Yeah. Which like they and his brother Mason. No, but they were having the refreshers. Mat: like ads, like or like in like they were like all drinking Duncan? Yeah. John: in like they were like all drinking Dunkin'? Yeah. Yeah. It was like they had a Dunkin' Donut bar for their Dunkin' Donut refresher and you could go up to the bars and like go to the bartender to get a drink. And then it's all Dunkin' Donuts drink donuts. I remember Chase was wearing like a Dunkin' Donuts like apron. Yeah. Which like they can they drink caffeine? Do Mormons drink caffeine? No, but they were having the refresher Mat: And it was all Dunkin' Donuts drinks. Okay. It's mine. Michelle Harris: Okay. John: Okay. Which I don't know. That's a weird like Dunkin' Donuts. Crazy. Crazy. Michelle Harris: Which I don't know if they have caffeine But Mc but Michaela does coffee enemas. Mat: Well they Michaela does coffee animals They do their coffee animas, yeah. Yeah. John: When they showed that what was that the season two reunion? It was. Yeah, and we talked about that on the season two recap with with Dan. Yeah. About their loopholes and like all that shit. But she's not even Mormon. I'm not gonna show loopholes, take a drink. Every time we say accountability, take a shot. So they play that game during the reunion and they show a montage. Michelle Harris: It was and it was Michaela and Jesse and she was showing Jesse how to do a coffee anima. And we talked about that a lot of season two recap with Dan. Yeah. About their loopholes. Yeah, yeah, loopholes. But she's not even Mormon. Every time we say loopholes, take a drink. Every time we say accountability Mat: And it was Michaela she was showing Jesse how to do a coffee master. Yeah, and we talked about that on the season two recap with with Dan about their loopholes and like all that shit and it's like Accountability. Michelle Harris: So they play that game during the reunion and they show a montage Mat: Show a montage of people saying accountability. really? Yeah. That was like my idea, but it already happened in real life because I talked about it like when the episode was already out. Accountability, no shit. John: Of people saying accountability. really? Yeah. That was like my idea. But it already happened in real life because I talked about it like that. They do create a montage of everyone saying accountability. Accountability, no shit. Michelle Harris: of people saying accountability. Really? Yeah. That was No but it already happened, yeah, yeah. So they do create a montage of everyone saying accountability. No shit. And most of Whitney's accountability is her in an interview saying, my god, we say accountability way too much. And she was like, I don't want to say accountability, but accountability. And so at the end of it, Jesse was like, I am so glad I'm not in that montage. I refuse to participate in that. John: And most of Whitney's accountability is her in an interview saying, my god, we say accountability way too much And she was like, I don't want to say accountability, but accountability Accountability. Mat: Accountability. John: And so at the end of it Jesse was like, I am so glad I'm not in that montage. I refuse to participate in it. That is so funny. Mat: That is so funny John: Because we had mentioned that. Like there should be like accountability, accountability, accountability. There be a montage of it. Mat: 'cause we had mentioned that, like there should be like accountability, accountability, accountability. Like there should be a montage of it. Michelle Harris: There should be a game. Accountability. Accountability of it. Yeah. So they did make that. Yep. So it was my idea, but they already did it. They already executed it, but I mean, great idea, babe. I think like I think you were already thinking it and then they like they retro did that, so it's it's all good. Yeah. John: Yeah. And they made it. They did make that, yep. So it was my idea but they already did it. They already executed it, but I mean great mind that it was my idea. Great minds think wise. I think you were already thinking it then they like they retro did that, so it's But they must have like a time machine or something. Mat: And they made it. They did make that, yep. So it was my idea, but they already did it, so it really wasn't my idea. I like to think that it was my idea. Absolutely. John: They went in the future or the past. Mat: Or wherever. The timelines are all fucked up by the way. Season three was crazy because it's like they're not famous yet. Like or season three are. Yeah. But like they're recording season three and during that they record the season two reunion. But then they're doing press at the end of season one to premiere season two. Right. John: Or wherever. The timelines are all fucked up by the way. They are. Season three was crazy because it's like they're not famous yet. Like or season three is the No, season three is the first time that they're known. Yeah. But like they're recording season three and during that they record the season two reunion. Michelle Harris: Season three was crazy because it's like they're not famous yet. Like or season three They are famous th this is the start. Yeah. Yes. But like they're recording season season two reunion but then they're doing press at the end of season one to premiere season two. Right. John: Yeah. But then they're doing press at the end of season one to premiere season two. Right. So and then you start getting like the dancing with the stars shit in there, and like the timelines are crazy. And then you had even mentioned like some of the spots where like things were said and one of the things was like Taylor and Dakota and like the stagecoach and the timeline there Michelle Harris: So and then you start getting like the dancing with the stars shit in there and like the timelines are crazy. And then you had even mentioned like some of the spots where like things were said and one of the things was like Taylor and Dakota and like the stagecoach and the timeline there Mat: So and then you start getting like the dancing with the stars shit in there and like the timelines are crazy. And then you had even mentioned like some of the spots where like things were said and one of the things was like Taylor and Dakota and like the stagecoach and the timeline there where John: where the thing came out with or like she found out about like Leanne's friend's friend. And at the reunion with She hates him, right? Yeah, yeah. But during the episodes she's like still into him. Yeah. So it does seem that the Michelle Harris: Where the thing came out with or like she found out about like her friend. Yeah, Leanne's friend. And at the reunion well she hates him, right? Yeah, yeah. So it did seem the episodes she's like still in the Yeah. So it did seem at Mat: the thing came out with or like she found out about like Leanne's friend and At the reunion w which she hates him Yeah, yeah. But during the episodes she's like still in Yeah, yeah. that Michelle Harris: the reunion that she was hostile. This reunion it comes out that at Sagecoach John: This reunion it comes out that at Sage Coach Mat: at Stagecoach. John: or at Michelle Harris: Or at the reunion and he was crying and saying, I just want to be with my family, I wanna do this. She didn't know at that point. So she does bring that up 'cause in this reunion they actually bring her parents out on the stage for him to be able to apologize to them. Her dad does not accept the apology and says everything that you say is bullshit out of your mean you spent John: Crying and saying, I just want to be with my family, I want to do this. She didn't know at that point. yeah. So she does bring that up because in this reunion they actually bring her parents out on the stage for him to be able to apologize to them. Her dad does not accept the apology and says everything that you say is bullshit out of your mouth. Yeah, I mean he's been Mat: family when do this. She didn't know at that point. Okay. So she does bring that up 'cause in this reunion they actually bring her parents out on the stage. Okay. Her dad does not accept the apology and says Yeah, I mean he's been a bullshitter for quite a while now, so like why are you gonna believe him now? Dakota John: a bullshitter for quite a while. Yeah, and so her dad or Dakota? Dakota Dakota. Michelle Harris: Yeah. And so he was like you know, I Dakota and her mom is basically asking him, like, I just wanna know why. Why did you do this to my daughter? Why did you think that this was okay? And John: And her mom is basically asking him, like, I just wanna know why. Why did you do this to my daughter? Why did you think that this was okay? And Mat: With her friend, like Michelle Harris: All in all, Taylor ends was saying, you know, we sat there at the last reunion and he's crying, saying he would do anything for his family, and he's saying that he has it all out on the table. And at that point I didn't know this. Right. So why are you sitting there crying and saying all this when you're still hiding the secret that I was and this comes out that this happened, like this interaction between him and this family friend when she was eight months pregnant. So this happened John: All in all, Taylor Ends was saying, you know, we sat there at the last reunion and he's crying, saying he would do anything for his family, and he's saying that he has it all out on the table and at that point I didn't know this. Right, right. So why are you sitting there crying and saying all this when you're still hiding the secret that I was and this comes out that this happened, like this interaction between him and this family friend when she was eight months pregnant. So this happened Mat: He's crying, saying he would do anything for his family and he's saying that he has it all out on the table and at that point I didn't know that Right, right. Why are you sitting there crying and saying all this when you're still hiding the secret that I was and this comes out that this happened, like this interaction between him and this family friend when she eight months pregnant. So this happened a while ago. like wow. Yeah, no, it it seemed like it was way more recent. Michelle Harris: A while ago. So this wasn't recent. Wow. Yeah, that wasn't. Yeah. It seemed like it was No. This was like when the whole John: a while ago. like it seemed like it was way more recent. This was like when the whole Michelle Harris: Jenna thing was going on, everything else. And so this happened when she was eight months pregnant. So he's been holding the secret for two years. But this happened during when during her pregnancy and the Jenna stuff and all this. John: Jenna thing was going on. everything else happened when she was eight months pregnant. So he's been holding the secret for two years. Mat: my gosh. Okay, wow. John: this happened during when the Jenna stuff came out. And when Mat: And the Jenna stuff and all this John: they're breaking up and this friend apparently reached out to Dakota, like checking in on him, and then that's when all this stuff happened. So the sting of that where it's like I've moved on 'cause that was years ago and I thought I knew everything. But she never and now you're finally telling Michelle Harris: And when they're breaking up and this friend apparently reached out to Dakota, like checking in on him, and then that's when all this stuff happened. So the sting of that where it's like I've moved on 'cause that was years ago and I thought I knew everything and now you're finally telling Mat: when they're breaking up and this friend apparently reached out to And so the sting that where it's like I've moved on because that years ago I thought I knew everything. But she never she never knew everything. Michelle Harris: me. This isn't a recent occurrence, this isn't when we were broken up beforehand, this isn't just a family betrayal. This is you told me you told me everything at that point and obviously you didn't. Mat: Yeah. Yeah, that's rough. Family portrayal. This is you told me you told me everything at that point, and obviously So John: This isn't a recent occurrence, this isn't when we were broken up beforehand, this isn't just a family betrayal. This is you told me, you told me everything at that point, and obviously you didn't. Yeah. So it's big. It's big. I'm shocked. Yeah. That he lied. Shocked by the code. I'm so Michelle Harris: So it's it's big. It's big. I'm shocked. Yeah. not. Mat: it's this way, it's big. I'm shocked. shocked by Dakota. John: shocked. Mat: What a fucking dirt bag. Michelle Harris: I always forget your dry humor. Sometimes I'm like, you're shocked? John: You know what I'm talking about? Michelle Harris: so Matt. John and I want to play a little game with you. Okay. We're gonna show you a photo of all of the men. Okay. We will tell you that one of the men, Brett, is not included in this photo. John: So, Matt, John and I want to play a little game with you. Okay. We're gonna show you a photo of all the men. Okay. We will tell you that one of the men, Brett, is not included in this photo. But you already Mat: Okay. Okay. We will tell you that Okay. You John: know what he looks like. We already know what Brett looks like though. Okay. So we want you to match Mat: already know what Brett looks like though. Okay. So we want you to match Michelle Harris: You already know what Brett looks like though. Okay. So we want you to match the man or guess which man is married to the woman. Okay. If you want photos of the woman, just let me know. Or if you want names, just let me know. But I think you know all the girls. So if you want Mat: the man or guess which man is married to the woman. Okay. If you want photos of the woman, just let me know. Or if you want names, just let me know. my goodness. I know that okay. Yeah. John: The man or guess which man is married to woman. Okay. If you want photos of the woman, just let me know. Or if you want names, just let me know. But I think you know other girls. So if you want Mat: If you want if you want context clues or John: me to describe what I think of them. If you want context clues or descriptions of the bench, let us know. Michelle Harris: Yeah. If you want if you want context clues or descriptions of the men, just let us know. Mat: All right. So left to right. John: right. We'll start left to right. Yeah, let's do left to right. So you said Brett's not here. Brett's not here. Demi's husband. Husband. Not here. Not here. So who's Michelle Harris: should pop up. Alright. Yeah, let's do left to right. And said Brett's not here. Brett's not here. Demi's husband. Husband. Not here. So who Mat: So you said Bratt's not here. Brat's not here. Demise husband, not here. So who's John: Mr. Michelle Harris: So so we will so we will go through so Miranda and Layla have no one here. So it is Taylor, Michaela, Macy, Jen, and Whitney John: Chippendales himself. We will so we will go through so Miranda and Layla have no one here. So it is Taylor, Michaela, Macy, Jen, and Whitney. Mat: So it is Taylor, Michaela, Macy, Jen. John: Jesse. And Jesse. Okay. All has significant other swords on the sweet. Right. Michelle Harris: and Jesse. All have a s significant other of sorts on this photo. Mat: And Jesse. Okay. Right, right. Now I feel like I've seen Dakota. Okay. And I think that is him in like the is that Maroon? He's like third from the left. No. Okay. Man. Well, I don't know then. Yeah, this is a lot. John: Now I feel like I've seen Dakota. Okay. And I think that is him in like the is that Maroon? He's like third from the left. No. No. This is great. I love Yeah, this is a lot. Michelle Harris: Okay. I think that is him in like the is that Maroon, he's like third from the left? No. No. Mat: all right. Michelle Harris: Here, let me zoom in. Mat: Yeah, I'm not John: Do you want like hints? Do you want me to like let's start Michelle Harris: Do you want like hints? Do you want to be like Do let's start let's start with let's start with Jesse, who would be Jordan. Yes. Alright. So how I would describe this guy is a dweeb whose face is too small for his head. John: let's start with let's start with Jesse, who would be a George. Okay, yes. So how I would describe this guy is a dweeb whose face is too small for his head. Mat: Okay. Jordan, alright. So how I would describe this guy is a dweeb whose face is too small for his head. I would I would defend That could be like the guy the second from the left John: God, that's me. I would just be like the guy the second from the left Michelle Harris: I would I would describe him like the guy the second from the left or Mat: or the fourth from the left. But or or I guess the guy in the end is got a little small face too. So the way I John: Or I guess the guy in this kind of small place too. So the Michelle Harris: So the way the way I would describe Jordan is a chipmunk. chipmunk esque. Yeah. Was it one of the ones I meant? No, no, it's like a big head, but his face. His like f his eyes and his nose and his mouth are too small. The guy I thought was Dakota at the start. Yes. John: describe Jordan is a chipmunk. Really? Okay. He's very chipmunk. No no it's like he's got a big head, but his face is small on his head. Mat: Well it's small face, yeah. Was it one of the ones I had mentioned or no? He's got a big head, but his face his small are too small. Well the guy I thought was Dakota at the start on three from the left. John: From the left. So that yeah, that's Mat: That's Jordan. Okay. So that's Jesse's husband. Well, at this time married to Jesse. go to Michaela's husband, Jacob. Jacob. John: Jordan. That's Jordan. That's Jordan. So married to Jesse. Well, at this time. At this time, yes, there's more time. let's go to Michaela's husband Jacob. Jacob. Jace. Michelle Harris: That's Jordan. So he's married to Jesse. At this time, yes. They're divorced now. let's go to Michaela's husband, Jacob. Jacob, Jace. Jace. Sorry, Jace. Sorry, I was thinking of Macy. Jaceano. Yeah. Jaceano. Jaceano. All right. John: Jace. Sorry. Sorry, I think it was J Ciano. Yeah, January. Mat: Jace. Sorry, Jace. Jace. Too many, too many names. Jaceano. Alright, yeah, I've I've got no idea here. He he just seems very like Timid. Yeah. John: He he just seems very like timid. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Timid. Yeah. Shy. Just monotone. Like very one episode of Stagecoach, he's just such a sad boy. He's checked out for a lot of it. Like you can see when emotional stuff gets like heavy, like he checks out. But in this photo, you wouldn't like it's not a checked out person in this photo. and if you're going if you're going off of like a Marciana John: And just monotone. Like I feel like in the one episode of Stagecoach, he's just such a sad boy. He's checked out for a lot of it. Like you can see when emotional stuff gets like heavy, like he checks out. Alright. But in this photo you wouldn't like it's not a checked out person. and if you're going if you're going off of like a Marciano. Mat: He's checked out for a lot of it. Like when emotional stuff is heavy, like he checks out. All right. In this photo you wouldn't like it's not a checked out person in this photo. Michelle Harris: vibe, like the hair. Just like focused on the hair. Like Mat: I mean they all have the same hair except for that like shorter guy on the far right, like the second from the right. Yeah. So that's that's that's true. Okay, all right. Is Dakota the first one? No. Jesus Christ, I've seen Dakota. So he's not the first one. That's Jacob. Is Dakota in the next to Jacob? Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. So that's That's Jace. Okay. Alright. Is Dakota the first one? No. Jesus Christ. John: That's Jace. Okay, alright. Is Dakota the first one? No. So he's not the first one. That's Jacob. Is Dakota in the next to Jacob? Michelle Harris: Jacob. Is Dakota in the Jacob? John: No. You haven't found Jacob yet. Yeah, no, he said he said the guy with the hair is Jace. Right. That's Jace. So are you s it's it's blank, blank Jordan. Jordan, that's what I meant to say was Jordan. Jordan's the one that I did. Michelle Harris: No, you haven't found Jacob yet. You found Jace. You said the guy with the hair is Jace. That's Jace. So So it's it's blank Jace blank Jordan blank blank. Jordan's the one that I did. Mat: Right. So it's it's blank. Well no, just blank Jordan. Jordan, that's what I meant to say was Jordan. Jordan's the one that I did Michelle Harris: Yes, Jordan. John: Yes, Jordan. Okay. So it's blank, blank. Mat: that was okay. So it's blank, blank Jordan. Yes. Blank Jace. one's Dakota? I it's not the one there. John: Jordan. Yes. Blank Jace. Yes. So which one's Dakota? I it's not the one there. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yes. It's not the one there. Is it the one on the far right? No. Then it's the one wait. in the middle. He's in the middle. In between Jordan and Jace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying that earlier. Yeah, okay. Okay. That's Dakota. Okay. I I thought I I did see him and like you were watching the read and I like walked by and I saw a little bit. Yeah. John: Is it the one on the far right? No. Then it's the one He's in the middle. He's in the middle. In between Jordan and Jace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying that earlier. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's Dakota. That's Dakota. Okay. I I thought I I did see him Mat: Is it the one on the far right? No. Then it's the one Wait. He's in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying that earlier too, but you said no. Okay. That's Dakota. Okay. I I thought I I did see him. like you were watching the reunion and I like walked by and I saw a little bit. Yeah. John: Like you were watching the reunion and I like walked by and I saw a little bit. Yeah. But like he doesn't look the same there to me. Yeah, I would say he looks a little different here. I mean he was crying and his face was all red and he looked like a fucking asshole, so Alright. So we got the three He did look rough in the middle. Mat: But like he doesn't look the same there to me. I mean he was crying and his face was all red and he looked like a fucking asshole. So Alright. So we got the three group together. Michelle Harris: Yeah, I would say he looks a little different here. I mean he was crying and his face was all red. Let's go three three in the middle. Mat: Alright. Let's go Michelle Harris: Right. Let's go to Jen. That so that would be Zach. John: So that would be that. Mat: w wait a second. So I think before we go there, Whitney Connor is on the end. He's on one of the ends. What you what do you think of Connor? Connor's on the left. Yes. Yes. Alright, got it. Why why did you I think John: What do you what do you think of Z Zach knowing him? So I think before we go there, Whitney, Connor is on the end. He's on one of the ends. What do you what do you think of Connor when you're on the left. Yes. Yes. Alright, got it. Why why did you I think Michelle Harris: What do you think of Z Zach knowing him? So I think before we go there, Whitney Yeah. Mm-hmm. What do you what do you think of Connor? Connor's on the left. Yes. Yes. Alright, got it. Why why did you why did you I think Mat: it just looks like what I like I think from when you showed me the horse shitting I saw him. John: It just looks like what I like I think from when you showed me the horse shitting I saw him. Michelle Harris: looks like what I like I think from when you showed me the horse shitting I saw him. John: okay. So that's why I was like, All right, we've eliminated these three. He doesn't have blonde hair. Yeah. So he's like this guy that's him. Like looks like the hairline, that's his Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He would look like he was like trolling for sex on the apps, right? Michelle Harris: okay. So that's why I was like we've eliminated these three. He doesn't have blonde hair. Yeah. So he's like and I was like, yeah, that's yeah. Like that's his hairline. That's his he would look like he was like trolling for sex on the apps, right? Stop my god. Mat: So that's why I was like, All right, we've eliminated these three. He doesn't have blonde hair. Yeah. So he's on the end. And then I was like, No, that's him. Like that's his hairline. That's his Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well We we got over that. Now he's, you know, maybe on Dancing with the Stars. John: Maybe on Dancing with the Stars. He's one of the most loved husbands, even from the girls. I think the girls Michelle Harris: He's one of he's one of the most loved husbands even from the girls. Like the girls love him too. You can't hate Connor. He does magic tricks. He's gone through a lot in his life. So yeah, Connor John: love him too. You can't hate Connor. He does magic tricks. He's gone a lot in his life. He does magic tricks. Okay. Connor, Mat: He does magic tricks. He's gone through a lot in his life. Okay, so so we have Connor, Blank, Jordan, Dakota, Jace, Blank. So we have Zach. We have Zach who's Jen's husband's husband. And Macy's husband, Jacob, still missing. Yeah. And that's you let's do let's do Zach. What do you think of Zach having of? John: Blank, Jordan. Yes. Dakota. Yes. Jace. Blank. Yeah. So we have we have Zach, who's Jen's husband. And Macy's husband. Michelle Harris: Yes. Dakota. Yes. Jace. Bla Blank. Yeah. So we have Zack. We have Zack who's Jen's husband's husband. And Macy's husband, Jacob, still missing. So what do you let's do let's do Zack. What do you think of Zack having John: Jacobs missing. So what do you let's do let's do Zack. What do you think of Zack having heard about him? That's the Zack and Jen. Michelle Harris: heard about him? That's the Zack and Jen Mat: That's the Zack and Jen like debacle where the was the Chippendales thing and Michelle Harris: like debacle where the it was the Chippendales thing. Mm-hmm. And he was talking to the girls and she was talking to the girls and I still don't even understand like the all the fucking drama that was going on there and who was in the wrong and so I don't think anyone understands that Mat: he was talking to the girls and she was talking to the girls and I still don't even understand like the all the fucking drama that was going on there and who was in the wrong and so I don't know. Nobody understands it. John: talking to the girls and she was talking to the girls and I still don't even understand like the all the fucking drama that was going on there and who was in the wrong and so I don't think anyone understands that nobody understands it. think about Michelle Harris: Think about John: like the most Michelle Harris: like the most John: The most emasculated one. I'm joking. That's Jordan. Yeah, that was Jordan. Michelle Harris: Yeah, no but Jordan. Think about Mat: Yeah, that was Jordan. Think about Michelle Harris: like someone who looks like they want to control their wife. I mean that could be either the second from the left or the far right. They both looked Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Zach. John: Like they want to control their wife. I mean, that could be either the second from the left or the far right. They both look really kind of like that. Second from the left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's Zach. So then Mat: I mean that could be either the second from the left or the far right. They both look kinda like that. Second from the left. Yeah. Okay. That's Zach. All right. So then John: on the end, we have Jacob. Jacob. I think he's the most normal. He doesn't contribute anything. Mat: on the end we have Jacob. Jacob, which is Michelle Harris: Jacob. Jacob. I think he's the most normal. He doesn't contribute anything. I okay, the only disagreement I have with this is that I John: I okay. The only disagreement I have with this is that I Michelle Harris: have a very difficult time because he constantly wants to defend all of the men. And so when Macy is coming home and saying Jordan did this and he goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, you know, all this stuff and it's like he seems like a man's man who wants to be buddy buddy with all these guys, but he's not gonna cause waves with his wife, but she does like she doesn't like Dakota for the way he treats her friend. But John: And so when Macy is coming home and saying, Jordan did this, and he goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, you know, all this stuff. And it's like he seems like a man's man who wants to be buddy buddy with all these guys, but he's not gonna cause waves with his wife. But she does like she doesn't like Dakota for the way he treats her friend. But Mat: And so when Macy is coming home and saying, Jordan did this and he goes, Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, you know, all this stuff. And it's like he seems like a man's man who wants to be buddy buddy with all these guys, but he's not gonna cause waves with his wife. But she does like she doesn't like Dakota for the way he treats her friend. But Michelle Harris: But Dakota's a p to him, like they're in the grocery store arguing if Dakota's gonna be invited to this this get together. And so I don't necessarily like him. I love Macy, I don't like him because he does not have his wife's back, he has his buddies back. No, I think he does I think I think he does I think he does when it comes to certain topics. Mat: Dakota's a pr to him, like they're in the grocery store arguing if Dakota's gonna be invited to this this so I don't necessarily like him. I love Macy. I don't like him. Okay. He does not have his wife's back, but he has his buddies back. No, I think he does. Can you stop can you I think he does when it comes to certain topics. John: Dakota's a pr to him, like they're in the grocery store arguing if Dakota's gonna be invited to this this get together. And so I don't necessarily like him. I don't like him because he does not have his wife's back. But he does his buddies back. No, I think he does. I think he does I think he does when it comes to certain topics. Michelle Harris: So you don't like Jacob. No, I don't. Mat: to it. So you don't like Jacob? No, I don't. John: So you don't like Jacob? No, I don't. I think that he is less that he he always has Macy's back. But I feel like the interactions are more like he's moderating or being more of like the I don't wanna say devil's advocate, but Michelle Harris: I think that he is less that he he always has Macy's back. But I feel like the interactions are more like he's moderating or being more of like the I don't wanna say devil's advocate, but Mat: He always has John: I I don't think he 'cause his most of his interactions are with the men. Michelle Harris: I don't think he 'cause his most of his interactions Mat: think he 'cause his most of his interactions are with the men. John: So he's just he just has their perspective. Which is weird. Like your wife is coming home and saying, Well, this is my experience and then he is so fullheartedly defending all of the men for all of their actions and saying that Mat: Yeah, which is I which is he just has their perspective. Which is weird. Like your wife is coming home and saying, Well this is my experience and then he's so wholeheartedly defending all of the men for all of their actions and saying that Michelle Harris: are with the men. Yeah, which is I which is weird. Which is weird. Like your wife is coming home and saying, Well, this is my experience and then he is so fullheartedly defending all of the men for all of their actions and saying that Jordan, you know, when it came to the Jesse Jordan stuff, he was emotionally abusive to her. And there was stuff in the past that had been going on for years. And he heard one snippet of what Jordan wanted him to hear. And he foolheartedly believes that to his soul that now he's arguing with his wife about it. And it's like you should just be like you and your wife should be a team and you see that with every other couple where their husbands are stepping in and defending their wives. You never see that and you let he Mat: Jordan, you know, when it came to the Jesse Jordan stuff, he was emotionally abusive to her and there was stuff in the past that had been going on for years and he heard one snippet of what Jordan wanted him to hear and he fullheartedly believed that to his soul that now he's arguing with his wife about it. John: Jordan, you know, when it came to the Jesse Jordan stuff, he was emotionally abusive to her and there was stuff in the past that had been going on for years and he heard one snippet of what Jordan wanted him to hear and he fullheartedly believes that to his soul that now he's arguing with his wife about it. And he's like you should just be a like you and your wife should be a team and you see that with every other couple where their husbands are stepping in and defending their wives. You never see that and you let he Mat: see that with every other couple where they're You never see that and you let he Michelle Harris: He just lets and Macy has a big personality and she can defend herself. So it's not necessarily that he has to step in, but the conversations I've seen with them two together are just like, are you even on the same page or are you just trying to be a a guy's guy? Right, right. Interesting. So I'd I I'm what's his name? Connor. John: Just let's and Macy has a big personality and she can defend herself. Yep. So it's not necessarily that he has to step in, but the conversations I've seen with them two together are just like, are you even on the same page or are you just trying to be a a guy's guy? Right, right. Interesting. So I feel like outside of Whitney's husband, what's his name? Connor. Mat: just lets and Macy has a big personality and she can defend herself. So it's not necessarily that he has to step in, but the conversations I've seen with them two together are just like, are you even on the same page or are you just trying to be a a guy's guy? Right, right. So I feel like outside of Whitney's husband, what's his name? Connor. Connor. John: Connor, I feel like he's probably the second, or maybe they just don't have issues. Connor Mat: I feel like he's probably the second or maybe they just don't have issues. Michelle Harris: The second or maybe they just don't have issues. Connor and Whitney have have had issues. Yeah, I mean right at the beginning. But like he Connor seems very Mat: Yeah, I mean right at the beginning. But since then very John: Yeah, I mean right at the same time. Yeah, but like he Connor seems very supportive. He's very supportive and he for them, they wanna be on the same page so they talk it out. So when it came to the Demi situation, he's like, Go have dinner with her, talk to her, let me know, and then we'll like talk through it. Mat: supportive. He's very supportive and he for them, they want to be on the same page so they talk it out. So when it came to the Demise situation, he's like, Go have dinner with her, talk to her, let me know, and then we'll like talk through it. Michelle Harris: He's very supportive and he for them, they wanna be on the same page so they talk it out. So when it came to the Demi situation, he's like, Go have dinner with her, talk to her, let me know, and then we'll like talk through it. And he's willing to talk through it, but he's also willing to point out like do you see where that doesn't make sense? Or I'm still confused about this. It's not that he's like, No, this is this is how it has to be and I feel like him and Whitney and this is why I kind of think they're really relatable to like Mat: And he's willing to talk through it, but he's also willing to point out, like, do you see where that doesn't make sense? Yeah. Yeah. John: And he's willing to talk through it but he's also willing to point out like do you see where that doesn't make sense? Or I'm so confused about this. It's not that he's like, No, this is this is how it has to be and I feel like him and Whitney, and this is why I kind of think they're really relatable to like a Mat: Him and Whitney, and this is why I kind of think they're really relatable to like a Michelle Harris: a lot of people, it's like they're just trying to work through and figure out to the best that they can what the fuck is happening. And a lot of times I feel like especially in this season, Whitney got left out of a lot of conversations that then But then she showed up to stagecoach and no one would talk to her and they were mad at her. And she showed up to she just came back John: lot of people, it's like they're just trying to work through and figure out to the best that they can what the fuck is happening. And a lot of times I feel like, especially in this season, Whitney got left out of a lot of Mat: lot of people. It's like they're just trying to work through and figure out to the best that they can what the fuck is happening. And a lot of times I feel like, especially in this season, Whitney got left out of a lot of conversations. It's because she wanted both Oscar figures. Then she shows up to stagecoach. John: conversations. It's cause she wanted those Oscar tickets. But then she showed up to stagecoach and no one would talk to her and they were mad at her. Well she just came back she just came back Mat: Well she just came back she just came back to get on dancing with the stars, so I mean it is true but if John: to get on dancing with the stars. True. I mean it is true but if Michelle Harris: I mean it is true, but if you're John: you're gonna be mad at her for reposting that post and then refuse to go down and do the content that you guys were all ow like you owed a Michelle Harris: gonna be mad at her for reposting that post and then refuse to go down and do the content that you guys were all owed like you owed a company because she reposted something but she only has one side of the story. Yeah, and I didn't realize until John: company yeah because she reposted something but she only has one side of the story. Yeah, and I didn't realize that until Mat: Yeah. Because she reposted something, but she only has one one side story. Yeah, and I didn't realize that until we got into where they were filming the reunion. Right. And that's where sh then she started to learn more. Like she was only getting what Demi was saying and that side. So like she didn't know didn't know about this. John: we got into where they were filming the reunion. Right. And that's where sh then she started to learn more. Like she was only getting what Demi was saying and that side. So like she didn't know she didn't know about the text. Michelle Harris: Right. the she didn't know about the text, John: She didn't know the voice note the voice Michelle Harris: she didn't know about the voice Mat: The text, the voice note, the all that stuff. So like and that really did change her mind, I think. a lot. And like Michelle Harris: notes. And that really did change her mind, I think. It it a lot. It allowed her to start John: stuff. So like and that really did change her mind I think. Yeah. a lot. And allowed her to start Michelle Harris: questioning and diving into and trying to better understand everyone's position to where I think that's what led her to being like John: questioning and diving into and trying to better understand everyone's position to where I think that's what led her to being like Michelle Harris: Holy shit, like we just need to all talk this out because like I'm confused too. Yeah. So like let's all get together and have a productive conversation instead of being online fighting with one another. And she told to me too, in multiple scenarios, stop posting your opinion online. Stop telling the girls your opinion because their feelings aren't gonna change and and sh you being so if you don't John: Holy shit, like we just need to all talk this out because like I'm confused too. Yeah. So like let's all get together and have a productive conversation instead of being online fighting with one another. Yeah. And she told to me too, in multiple scenarios, stop posting your opinion online. Stop telling the girls your opinion because their feelings aren't gonna change. And right. And sh you being so you don't even want to be part of it. Like so if you don't Mat: Yeah. So like let's all together and have a productive conversation instead of being online fighting with one another. Yeah. Yeah. She told Demi too, in multiple scenarios, stop posting your opinion online. Stop telling the girls your opinion because their feelings aren't gonna change. Right. And sh Zemi didn't even want to be part of it. so if you don't wanna be part of it, stop fucking posting about John: want to be part of it, stop fucking posting about it. Mat: it. Michelle Harris: Yeah. I feel like the difference between and you know I'm anti Whitney. I know. So John being my best friend, we agree on a lot. One thing we don't agree on is Whitney. And this has been John: I feel like the difference between and you know I'm anti Whitney. I know. So I feel like the difference be my best friend, but you agree on a lot. One thing we don't agree on is Whitney. And this has been, Mat: And you know I'm anti women. John: I feel like, the pattern from the beginning. And I will say at the end of the season, she almost convinced me that she had changed. Michelle Harris: convinced me that she had changed. almost convinced you. So something something happened after. Accountability. Drink a drink. Mat: Almost convinced. accountability. Hold on, I gotta drink. John: Almost. So something something happened. She took accountability. No, I feel like that probably the difference between her and to me is that like she realizes the business side of this and everything with her and Connor, right? Her showing up to stagecoach. Michelle Harris: and everything with her and Connor, right, her showing up the stage coach, even I'll say the just knowing sort of what happens in the future and where she is now is like how to progress her career. John: even I'll say the just knowing sort of what happens in the future and where she is now is like how to progress her career past or above this show. Yeah. And so I feel like everything with her a ticking accountability is is is with that in mind. But don't you think that all the girls are there for fame? Michelle Harris: above this show. Yeah. And so I feel like everything with her a taking accountability is is is with that in mind. But don't you think that all the girls are there for fame? Mat: And so I feel like everything with her taking accountability is is with that in mind. But don't you think that all the girls are there for fame? Michelle Harris: I d at this point. At this point I think there are people who are I'll say more honest. Like I think I think Taylor is I okay, we can get into that. We can get into Taylor because she is slowly losing my fandom. And yes, like Mat: I do. At this point. But I think there are people who are I would say more honest. Like I think I think Taylor is. I okay, we can get into that. We can, but like we can get into Taylor because she is slowly losing money. And yes, like John: I do but I I think there are people who are I'll say more honest. Like I think I think Taylor is I is we can, but like for all of her flip flopping and yes, like Mat: I John: I I but Taylor can Taylor can't progress because she's too manic. Yes, but what she shows on the show is who exactly she is. Mat: But I I think Taylor Taylor can't progress because she's too manic. Yes, but what she shows on the show is who exactly she is. Michelle Harris: Taylor can't Taylor can't progress because she's too manic. Yes, but exactly she is. Mat: Which is a manic crazy person. Yes. Who needs to get mental professional help and not be on TV anymore. But she's she she's one of the ones and I put her like there with Whitney, like she gets the brand deals and she Michelle Harris: Which is a manic crazy person. Yes. Who needs to get mental professional help and not be on TV anymore. But she's she John: Which is a manic crazy person. Yes. Who needs to get mental professional help and not be on T V anymore. And I put her like there with Whitney, like she gets the brand deals and she She Michelle Harris: She does. She does. She gets invited places where the other girls don't, so it's like she is looking at it as like a I think a big picture and a brand and a And you I think you did see that with Jimmy Kim Alive a little bit. Yeah, I think for her though it's more John: does. Plans the stuff for the girls and she she gets invited places where the other girls don't. So it's like she is looking at it as like a I think a big picture and a brand and a Mat: plans the stuff for the girls and she she gets invited places where the other girls don't so it's like she is looking at it as like a I think a big picture and a brand and a John: But I think I feel like that would Jimmy come alive bit. Yeah, I think for her though it's more like I'll say authentic because you get the mess and you get all of Taylor and it's it's not all good. But with Whitney it's very like even from the beginning. Well yeah, it's fr from the beginning it's like everything she's doing is just like Michelle Harris: I'll say authentic because you get the mess and you get all of Taylor and it's it's not all good. But with Whitney it's very like even from the beginning I calculated at a Well yeah, it's front from the beginning it's like a everything she's doing is just like Mat: say authentic because you get the mess and you get all of Taylor. It's not all good. But with Whitney it's very like even from the beginning and calculated and like yeah it's fr from the beginning it's like everything she's doing is just like Michelle Harris: get your money, girl. Yeah, but it's like But she admitted to it. But she the thing with her is like that I don't have a problem with it looks bad. It looked Mat: Get your money, girl. Yeah. But she admitted to it. But she the thing with her is like that I don't even realize it looks bad. Well like John: Yeah, but it's like it she admitted to it. But she the thing with her is like that idea. Because she realized it looks bad. It look like her her in the first season, that is who she is, and it looked really bad. Michelle Harris: Like her in the first season, that is who she is, and it looked really bad. Mat: for her in the first season, that is who she is, and it looked really bad. John: Like her first season. I think she came back in season three and then she owned it. She was like, I am back for business. Michelle Harris: I don't think that's who she was in the first season. I think she came back in season three and then she owned it. She's like, I am back for business. I am back because this is my dream. I am back because there's opportunity here and I'm just gonna treat these girls because it's not worth my energy to be friends with them. It's worth my energy to get on dancing with the stars. Yes, absolutely. I admire it. Which I admire. Like, own it. Take the opportunity. I John: I am back because this is my dream. Yeah, yeah. I am back because there's opportunity here and I'm just gonna treat these girls because it's not worth my energy to be friends with them. It's worth my energy to get on dancing with the stars. Yes, absolutely. I agree with that. Which I admire. Like, own it. I take the opportunity. I Mat: There's opportunity here and I'm just gonna treat these girls because it's not worth my energy to be friends with them. It's worth my energy to get on dancing with the stars. Yes, absolutely. I agree with that. Which I admire. Like, own it. I think the opportunity. I John: think much like many of the girls have done, we just need to move on. Mat: think much like many of the girls have done, we just need to move on. Michelle Harris: And give grace. You gotta get everyone like Whitney, but we can say But can we can we can John: I like Whitney. You don't like Whitney, but we can still be friends. wow. Yeah. Mat: You like Whitney, you don't like Whitney, but we can still be friends and we can move on. Michelle Harris: we can we agree though? Yeah John: Yeah. Michelle Harris: the person who has not been honest is Jen. yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I cannot John: yeah. yeah. Alright, you guys have something you're on the same page about that. Mat: Yeah. Take her serious Michelle Harris: take her seriously and I cannot listen to her excuses and I feel like just time after time after time, especially even when Whitney was vulnerable during the last episode, she just gets up there and there's no accountability. But like she she literally just like spews around like this nonsense until she's like, Okay, I'm done. Like John: Take her seriously and I cannot listen to her excuses and I feel like just time after time after time, especially even when Whitney was vulnerable during the last episode, she just gets up there and there's no accountability. But like she she literally just like spews around like this nonsense until she's like, Okay, I'm done. Like Mat: There's no accountability. But like she she literally just like spews around. And then she like the way that she answers questions in interviews and she laughs, it's just she's so young and immature and it's like you need to grow up if you're gonna be in this environment with these girls. It's like haha, that's not what I heard. I have a C Cynthia And it's like sorry. I don't wanna John: and then she like the way that she answers questions and interviews and she laughs, it's just she Michelle Harris: And then she like the way that she answers questions in interviews and she laughs, it's just she's so young and immature and it's like you need to grow up if you're gonna be in this environment with these girls. John: She's so young and immature and it's like you need to grow up if you're gonna be in this environment with these girls. It's like haha, that's not what I heard. And it's like Michelle Harris: I have the ceason to sit and it's like no, just like just sorry. I don't want to be mean, but it's like it it's just you can answer the question without just like making a scene of it, and you can just say at this point in time, my understanding is I cannot talk about this because I not like and she hair flips. She legit hair flips and it's like I I can't like it's it's uncomfortable to watch it. Mat: But it's like it it's just you can answer the question without just like making a scene of it and you can just say at this point in time my understanding is I cannot talk about this because I not like and she hairs. I I can't like it's it's uncomfortable to watch it. John: It's like it it's just you can answer the question without just like making a scene of it and you can just say at this point in time, my understanding is I cannot talk about this because I not like and she hair flips. She hair flips and it's like I I can't like it's it's uncomfortable to watch it. Yeah. So at least we can agree on that. yeah, yeah. Mat: Yeah. So Michelle Harris: Yeah. So at least we can agree on that. Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Anyway, any other hot takes on the other woman? Mat: Anyway. John: I think my hot take on the season is that and I think a lot of this is related to right, this is the first season where they're famous. Like season one has come out. Season two just dropped. Or is dropping during it. But like they are known and Michelle Harris: season where they're famous. Yeah. Season one has come out. Season two just dropped. Or is dropping is dropping at the end, yeah. Or like they're known and John: I feel like a lot of the I'm not doing this because I'm famous. I'm doing this sort of to become famous is is lost. now they're they're known, yeah. like different vibes. I think also, you know what I miss? I miss a lot of drama just based off of like, you didn't like my post. You know? Like where's that drama? Like now this season and it's just like it's Mat: like now they're they're known, yeah. It's like a different vibe. I think also, you know what I miss? I miss a lot of drama just based off of like, you didn't like my post You know, like where's all Michelle Harris: I think also, you know what I miss? I miss a lot of drama just based off of like, you didn't like my post. You know, like where's my drama? We got the this season and it's just like it's Mat: And it's just like it's Michelle Harris: it's so heavy. CMA was season two then, right? Okay. Yeah. That was the Taylor posted no none of the girls had my back. No one did that and then it snowballed into all this drama. John: It's so heavy. CMA was season two. Yeah. Okay. This season is like no none of the girls had my back. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's the drama I like. 'Cause it's it's ultimately like stupid. Mat: it's so heavy. CMA was season two. Okay. That was the Taylor season posted No None of the Girls Have My Back. Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. It is stupid. Yeah. And I think Mat: It is stupid. It is stupid. Yeah. And I think it's getting John: Yeah. It's stupid. Yeah, and I think Michelle Harris: it's getting into a lot of like personal relationships. It's getting into a lot of like serious stuff. Well, it's like John: It's getting into a lot of like personal relationships, it's getting into a lot of like serious stuff. Well, it's like I I don't know. It would to me it's like, Barciano sexually assaulted me and then other people have been like, Well, I don't believe that and then as a viewer you're just like I I don't wanna be involved in this drama. I don't want It's not even drama. It's like But it's like also like I don't wanna have an opinion on this topic. Michelle Harris: I don't wanna be involved in this drama. I don't want to have an But it's like also like I don't wanna have an opinion on this topic. Mat: I don't want to have a drama. It's but it's like also like I don't want to have an opinion on this topic. Yeah, it's a lot. But like because it's such a sensitive topic and it's like this is so personal to these girls that it's like I don't want to even talk about that or cross that for that Yeah. You're never gonna know what's you're never gonna know. We don't know if you know what's edited. We don't John: Yeah, it's a lot. But like Because it's such a sensitive topic and it's like this is so personal to these girls and it's like I don't want to even talk about that or cross that threshold because You're never gonna know what's real. You're never gonna know. We don't know as viewers. Michelle Harris: Yeah, it's a lot. But like Because it's such a sensitive topic and it's like this is so personal to these girls that it's like I don't want to even talk about that or cross that threshold because you're never gonna know. You're never gonna know. We don't know as viewers. We don't know what's edited. We don't know what's not, we don't know what's true, we don't know what's been said, voice recordings, no voice recordings, cease and desists. Like all this stuff, it's like, yeah, it makes for great TV, but I also just if that did happen to her, that's sad. Mat: Right. Like all this stuff it's like yeah, it makes her great TV, but I also just if that did happen to her, that's sad. John: This is like all this stuff it's like yeah, it makes her great T V but I also just if that did happen to her that's sad. If it didn't happen to her that's disgusting that she would do that to him again. And it's just such a slippery slope to that it doesn't even matter what my opinion is because I'll never know what the truth is. So it's but it's just it's just like as viewers. Taylor, the girl supported you. But when it comes to that, like as Mat: If it didn't happen to her, that's disgusting she would do that. Yeah, yeah. And it's just such a slippery slope to that it doesn't even matter what my opinion is because I'll never know what the truth is. So But it's just like as viewers or the Taylor posts. Like as yeah Taylor, the girl supports Michelle Harris: if it didn't happen to her that's disgusting that she would do that to a man. And it's just such a slippery slope to that it doesn't even matter what my opinion is 'cause I'll never know what the truth is. So it's it's just like let me vote on the the Taylor post. Like Taylor, the girl supported you Mat: Yeah. But when it comes to that, like as viewers or listeners of viewers, myself I'm not viewing anything, I'm just hearing about it. That whole thing where she's like Brett knows everything and it's like and it's like okay, he knows everything, but like why are you still texting this guy? Why are you sending photos of your daughter? Why like it's John: viewers or listeners of viewers, myself, not thinking anything. I'm just hearing about it. That whole thing where she's like, Brett knows everything. And it's like and he did. And it's like, okay, he knows everything, but like, why are you still texting this guy? Mm-hmm. Why are you sending photos of your daughter? Why like I think the daughter thing was more Michelle Harris: knows everything. And he and he did, apparently. And it's like, okay, he knows everything, but like why are you still texting this guy? Why are you sending photos of your daughter? Wha And I think the daughter thing was more of a point to me because Whitney did point out John: of a point to me because Whitney did point out Michelle Harris: I don't know, like when Connor did what he did, she goes, I will never understand why he did that. I will never understand why he was on their dating apps. I would never understand why he was talking to girls. I will never understand the why of that. But I know it was stemmed from his past and his issues. And I can sympathize with that and I c we can move on. So the whole texting him, I'm gonna take that out of the conversation in my point of view, and we will never know why. I think the daughter John: I don't know, like when Connor did what he did, she goes, I will never understand why he did that. I will never understand why he was on their dating apps, I would never understand why he was talking to girls. I will never understand the why of that. But I know it was stemmed from his past. Okay. And his issues. Yeah. And I can sympathize with that and I we can move on. Mat: Uh-huh. his issues. Yeah. And I can sympathize with that and I we can move on. So the whole texting him, I'm gonna take that out of the conversation in my point of view, and we will never know what. I think the daughter John: So the whole texting him, I'm gonna take that out of the conversation in my point of view, and we will never know what. I think the daughter is the bigger point of like Mat: is the bigger point of like Michelle Harris: is the bigger point of like even if you're trying to placate and like she keeps using the word placate which is like I've never heard before but like even if you're trying to do that and like just trying to like be nice to him so he doesn't say anything or whatever that that reasoning was Mat: even if you're trying to placate and like she keeps using the word placate, which is like I've never heard before, but like even if John: Even if you're trying to placate and like she keeps using the word placate, which is like I've never heard before, but like even if you're trying do that and like just trying to like be nice to him so he doesn't say anything or whatever that that reasoning was, Mat: Be nice to him. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's fucked up. Yeah, John: never bring a child into it if he actually did what he did. Yeah. Like that's my point of view. Like I don't get why that happened and I don't think she has ever given a real good excuse about why she sent this stuff with her daughter. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Never bring a child into it if he actually did what he did. And that's that's that's just where I'm gonna leave that. Like that's my point of view. Like I don't get why that happened and I don't think she has ever given a real good excuse about why she sent this stuff with her daughter. Mat: okay. But that's my point of view. Yeah. I don't get why that excuse about why she sent this stuff with her daughter. Yeah. Michelle Harris: But that's the only thing where I'm like, ooh, that's like gross. Like that's just not okay, in my opinion. In my opinion. Yeah. And honestly, like John: But that's the only thing where I'm like, ooh, that's like gross. Like that's just not okay in my opinion. In my opinion. Assaulted you and you're sending photos to lie. Honestly, like I feel for all these women and Connor and everyone on this show and like I know a lot of them have gone through trauma. Mat: But that's the only thing where I'm like, ooh, that's like gross. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this guy in my opinion. In my opinion. Assaulted you and you're sending photos of your shop. It's a lot. Honestly, like I feel Michelle Harris: I feel for all these women and Connor and everyone on this show and like I know a lot of them have gone through trauma and they've all had their own history and women in general have a history and like usually one in three women get assaulted. I would love a reunion though where we're not crying about past traumas. Like can we just focus on the current trauma or the current drama? The drama, trauma, drama. John: and they've all had their own history and women in general have a history and like usually one in three women get assaulted. I would love a reunion though where we're not crying about past traumas. Like, can we just focus on the current trauma or the current drama? Drama Drama, not trauma. Mat: history in general have a history and like usually one in three women get assaulted. I would love a reunion though where we're not crying about past traumas. Like can we just focus on the current trauma or the current drama Drama. Drama, not trauma. John: Of today. Like Michelle Harris: Of today. Like I feel for all of them and it's it's just so emotionally heavy watching it sometimes that I'm like I watch this and like not to negate their feelings and what they're going through and like people can relate to them and and they're reaching a broader audience. In my opinion, put that on your TikTok for your followers to relate to you, but I'm like, I just wanna see people yelling at one another. Like I literally just wanna John: I feel for all of them and it's it it's just so emotionally heavy watching it sometimes and I'm like I watch this and like not to negate their feelings and what they're going through and like people can relate to them and and they're reaching a broader audience. Mat: Yeah, yeah. In my opinion John: In my opinion, put that on your TikTok for your followers to relate to you. But I'm like, I just want to see people yelling at one another. Yeah. Like I literally watching this for entertainment, not Mat: Yeah, yeah. to see people yelling at one. Yeah, yeah. You're watching this for entertainment, not John: to like feel down. I love when Chase comes out in his Dunkin' Donuts like wrap and then, you know Wait, you have to Mat: to like feel down. Like Michelle Harris: Like I love when Chase comes out in his Dunkin' Donuts like rap and then, you know, John: talk to him about Kayla and Mason. I Layla and Layla, Layla and Mason. Yeah, so Mason comes out as the number two bartender. Mason is Chase's brother. Layla and Mason are officially dating now. Okay. Yeah, well she dated Chase before, yeah. Yeah. And then now she's dating. She's dating Mason. She's trying out the other brother. Right, right. And what do they ask her? They ask her if he's a better kisser, but then Jen goes, I would have asked if he was bigger. Michelle Harris: Layla and Mason. Yeah, so Mason comes out as the number two bartender. Mason is Chase's brother. Layla and Mason are officially dating now. Okay. Yeah, well she They were like dated Chase before. Yeah, yeah. And then now she's she's dating Mason. She's trying out the other brother. Right, right. Do they ask her? They ask her if he's a better kisser, but then Jen goes, I would have asked if he was bigger. Mat: Chase's brother. Then Sheila and Mason are officially dating now. Okay. Yeah, well she dated Chase before, right? Yeah. And then now she's dating Mason. Right, right. I thought you may ask her. They ask her if he's a better but then Jen goes All right then. John: See, this is the drama Michelle Harris: This is the drama I want John: I want. Who has a bigger dick? Did she answer? No, she didn't answer Jesse. She answered that Mason was the better kisser, and then it came out that Mason has met her children and they love him. so it seems weird. We're bringing children into it. We're talking about fucking dick size. Yeah, well sorry. I was jumping to her actual response to about kissing. Michelle Harris: Ha ha ha. Mat: Did she answer? No, she didn't answer Dusty. Michelle Harris: No, she didn't answer Jesse. She answered that Mason was the better kisser. And then it came out that Mason has met her children and they love him. so it seems like we're bringing children. Yeah, well sorry. I was jumping to her actual response to the host about kissing, but Mat: Right, now it's just weird. We're bringing children into we're talking about fucking dick size. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. All right. John: Yeah, Michelle Harris: yeah. John: so it was yeah, so that was kind of a revelation in the reunion that they're actually officially together. Okay. Yeah, and then last episode, season three, episode ten, we ended with Taylor and Chase. Michelle Harris: So it was yeah, so that was kind of a revelation in the reunion that they're actually officially together. Mat: Okay, yeah. And then last episode, season three, episode ten, we ended with Taylor and Chase. Michelle Harris: Taylor and Chase. Yeah. So Chase comes out, when he first comes out, he sits behind Taylor and so the host is Stassi, the one from Villa. Right. Vanderpunt Villa. so she's the host. Is he the host of the first reunion? No, that was Nick Viel. right, right. Mat: Yeah. So Chase John: Yeah. So Chase comes out when he first comes out he sits behind Taylor and Okay. So the host is Stassi, the one from Villa. Right. Vanderpump Villa. so she's the host. Was she the host of the first reunion? No. That was Nick Vielle. right, right, Mat: Okay. Right. Was she the host of the first reunion? No, that was Nick File. right, right, right. Okay, I remember now, yeah. he wasn't good. John: right. Okay, I remember now. I have a feeling that they've requested him not to return. He was not great. He was not a good host and he definitely like picked sizes w and was not neutral. Michelle Harris: I have a feeling that they've requested him not to return. He was not great. He was not a good host and he definitely like picked sizes and was not neutral. And so and 'cause Whitney had John: and so and 'cause Whitney has Michelle Harris: a big issue with him 'cause he definitely attacked her. Okay. John: Okay. And it was Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: And it was and so and even Jen at the beginning was thanking Saucy and was like, I think you're like definitely the bright person, you're gonna be a neutral party 'cause 'cause she's also been on reality she unbiased, unbiased. But she also was on reality T V and she's experienced before and she's been through the drama of all of it. John: and so and even Jen at the beginning was thinking Saucy was like, I think you're like definitely the bright person. You're gonna be a neutral person. A little more neutral, yeah. She's also been unbiased. You're unbiased. But she also was on reality TV and she's experienced before and she's been through the drama. And you gotta understand Mat: Even Jen at the beginning was thinking saucy was like, I person. You're gonna be a neutral more neutral, yeah. She's unbiased, yeah. But she also was on reality T V and she's experienced before and she's been through the drama. And you gotta understand like what you see throughout the episodes is the edit. It's not so like you can take sides here and there, but like you gotta be neutral. What do you feel about that? John: like what you see throughout the episodes is the edit, it's that yeah. So like you can take sides here. Michelle Harris: Is the edit. Yeah. So like Nick's over there, like, Whitney, what do you feel about that? And Whitney's John: So like Nick's over there like Whitney, what do you feel about that? And Whitney's Michelle Harris: like I I just saw it for the first time. Like I don't And then he's like, I haven't heard you take accountability and she's like, I you haven't been here for all the conversations, like what the heck? John: like I I just saw it for the first time. Right, right. And then he's like, I haven't heard you take accountability and she's like, I you haven't been here for all the conversations like Because she hasn't Mat: Right, right, right. Because she has John: taken accountability. She did this season. She stood up there and I believed her. I did. I thought she owned her shit and I thought she was very nice to the girls and apologized and Michelle Harris: She did this season. She used to up there and I believed her. I did. I thought she owned her shit and I thought she was very nice to the girls and apologized and said her piece. John: And anyways during the reunion at this point it's known that Taylor's gonna be on the Bachelorette. yeah. Or it's only that already. I think has Mat: yeah, you were telling me that earlier. John: it already filmed at this point? But or she's been cast. I don't I I meant to look up all the timings of this. I don't know. I think it was just announced that she was gonna so they're not together. So Her and Chase. Yeah. So Chase sits behind her. Michelle Harris: I don't I I meant to look up all the timings of this. I don't know. I think it was just announced that she was gonna be on the that line. So they're not together. So and Chase. So Chase sits behind her Mat: okay. I think it was just announced that she was announced, yeah. So they're not together. So right, her and Chase. Okay. Chase sits behind Michelle Harris: and then Stassi goes, Is it weird to sit behind Taylor? And he goes, Normally I'm sitting next to her John: Stoffsy goes, Is it weird to sit behind Taylor? And he goes, Normally I'm sitting next to her. Mat: Is it weird to behind Taylor and he goes, Normally I'm sitting next to Michelle Harris: And then so she asked Miranda, How do you feel about this? What were you told about their like date? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She said I was told it was coffee and it was gonna be like, Let's put water under the bridge, but clearly a lot of details were left out. Yeah. And so she was like, I was kinda caught off guard by that and Mat: her and then so she asked Miranda, How do you feel about this? What were you told about their like date? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She said I was told it was coffee and it was gonna be like, Let's put water under the bridge, but clearly a lot of details were left out. Yeah. John: and then so she asked Miranda, How do you feel about this? What were you told about their like date? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She said, I was told it was coffee and it was gonna be like, Let's put water under the bridge, but clearly a lot of details were left out. Yeah. And so she was like, I was kinda caught off guard by that. And Michelle Harris: Stasi asks, So what's the status of your relationship? And Taylor goes John: Saucy asks, so what's the status of your relationship? And Taylor goes, Mat: What's John: I don't know. And so they just end it with, You'll have to watch season four. okay. So we didn't really get too far into it, but But she is going on the Bachelorette. Yeah, like Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing serious. Yeah. And they like breezed over the bat like you heard like one comment Bachelorette and then they breeze over it, so it's like you're still kinda like, Wait, did did they say that? And where are we? But it's like, yeah, they did mention it. Michelle Harris: I don't know. And so they just end it with you'll have to watch season four. okay. So we didn't really get too far into it but but she is going on the Bachelorette. Yeah. Yeah. Mat: okay. So we didn't really get too far into it but But she is going on the Bachelorette, so like Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing serious. Yeah. And they like Michelle Harris: Yeah. And they like breezed over the bat like you heard like one comment Bachelorette and then they like breeze over it. So it's like you're still kinda like, Wait, did did they say that? And where are we? But it's like, yeah, they did mention it, Mat: still kinda like wait, did did they that? Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, they did mention it, John: So like I had to rewind it I'm like, No, they didn't mention her going to Bachelorette. So she's single right now. And she does say she's single at the end of the every reading. Okay. She's like, I am single right now. Okay. So, yeah. Mat: so like I had to rewind Michelle Harris: so like I had to rewind it. I'm like, no, they didn't mention her going the bachelorette. So she's single right now. And she does say she's single at the end of that the the reunion. Yeah. She's like, I am single right now. Okay. So, yeah. Mat: She's single right now. And she does say she's single at the end of the end of the reunion. Okay. She's like, I am single right now. Okay. Michelle Harris: But It was interesting that they brought her parents on. it was just interesting overall 'cause when Dakota first came out, he requested all the girls leave the stage. Okay. John: It was interesting that they brought her parents on. it was just interesting overall 'cause when Dakota first came out he requested all the girls leave the stage. Okay. Mat: was interesting that they brought her parents on. it was just interesting overall 'cause when Dakota first came out he requested all the girls need the stage. Okay. So said I'm only gonna John: So he said, I'm only gonna Michelle Harris: So he said, I'm only gonna come on if mom talk's not there 'cause he wanted to speak his truth without being yelled over, which I do get 'cause all the girls like, No, that's wrong and like and so like he's like, I just wanna say But then so all the girls went backstage and were watching Dakota and then Taylor's like, I can't take this anymore and like goes out on stage and then Layla's like back past the cameras like yelling and like Dakota's like, This is why I didn't wanna do this and so John: come on if mom talk's not there 'cause he wanted to speak his truth without being yelled over which I do get 'cause all the girls like, No, that's the problem and like so like he's like I just wanna say But then so all the girls went backstage and were watching Dakota and then Taylor's like, I can't take this anymore and like goes out on stage Mat: Okay. Yeah, yeah. But then so all the girls went backstage and were watching Dakota and then Taylor's like, I can't take this anymore and like go to stage And then Later's like back past the cameras like yelling and Okay. Dakota's like this is why I didn't to do this. Yeah. John: And then Layla's like back past the cameras like yelling and like Dakota's like, This is why I didn't want to do this. Yeah. See, this is the drama we want. This Michelle Harris: This is the drama the people want. Well not really not really the Dakota Taylor. John: is the drama the people want. Well not really not really the Dakota talk. Mat: They needed they needed what did they call it at the end of episode ten where Demi came back and they were like holding this like each girl got the talk without it people to Yeah, that's what they should have done that's what they should have done with Dakota, like let him talk. He did get a long time to talk Yeah, yeah. John: ten where Demi came back and they were like holding this like each girl got the talk without it testimony. Yeah, that's what they should have done a testimony. He did get a long time to talk on camera without them. Michelle Harris: Testimony. Yeah. Test they sh they should have done a testimony with Dakota. Which he did get a long time to talk on camera without them and they're finally like, When does when does he break his his glow stick? Like he needs to move on from this. John: And they're finally like, when does when does he break his his belief? Right, like we gotta move on. Mat: When does he break on this? Right, like we gotta we gotta move on, yeah. Yeah. It was it was John: It was it was Mat: probably like minute five and being like I only said one photo John: probably like minute five of him being like I only sent one photo but there was two photos but there was one photo but there was Michelle Harris: But there was but the but but Mat: low Michelle Harris: with with we end Yeah and then he kept like stuttering and he's like Wait, wait, wait, I wanna get this perfect because I don't want there to be any like misc and he's like, Wait, but then this happened and he's like, Wait, I'm getting to like the reason why and it's like dude like you just sound like an idiot. You sound so stupid. Mat: with the with Leanne's friend. I wanna don't want there to be any like this happened. He's like, Wait, I'm getting to like the reason why and it's like dude, like you just sound like an idiot. Dude, you're scumbag. Like so stupid. John: Dude, like you just sound like an idiot. Dude, you're a scumbag. Like sound so stupid. Ugh. Michelle Harris: god. Alright, Mat: What else did we have in season three? We had we had Stagecoach. John: What else did we have in season three? We had we had stagecoach. We had stagecoach. Michelle Harris: What else do we in season three? We had we had Stagecoach. We had Stagecoach. We had a couple presses. So we had one week in LA. John: We had a couple presses. So we had one week in LA. LA Ooh, Mat: Let's John: in front of the jet the the no not the press. The party with the jet. yeah the jet that's when Demi and Layla that's when Layla first confronted Demi about Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: the party with the jet. The jet the jet that's when Demi and Layla that's when Layla first confronted Demi about Mat: yeah, and that and that's when Demi and Layla that's when Layla confronted Demi. Yeah, yeah. That influencer event with the private chats, yeah. Miranda was a taste of Demi at that point she was still talking. Right, yeah, still kind of friends with Demi. Michelle Harris: the Marciano situation and Miranda was kinda getting a taste of Demi at that 'cause at that point she was still talking to me. Yeah, still kinda friends with John: The Marciano situation and Miranda was kinda getting a taste into me at that at that point she was still talking to me. Right, yeah, still kinda friends with Denise. I feel like Miranda was like she was just a bystander this entire season. But I think I think that's who she is. She admits that she's not she's like it's no secret, I'm not really confrontational. she's like it's no secret that your drama's your drama, it's not my drama. Michelle Harris: Demi. I feel I love Miranda. She was bystander this entire season. But I think I think that's who she is. She admits that she's not she's like it's no secret, I'm not really confrontational. Mat: But I think I think that's who she is. She admits that she's not she's like, It's no secret, I'm not really confrontational. she's like, It's no secret that your drama's your drama, it's not my drama. Michelle Harris: she's like, It's no secret that your drama's your drama, it's not my drama. If I do say see something that's concerning, then yeah, then then I'm gonna, you know, take action on that. But at that point she hadn't seen anything from Demi that was concerning to her and then that was the first time sh she's like, shit, like this this girl's a batshit crazy and I need to like take a step back and hold her at arm's length. Mat: If I do say see something that's concerning, then yeah, then then I'm gonna you know, take action on that. But at that point she hadn't seen anything from Denise that was concerning her, and then that was the first time she's like and I need to like take John: If I do say see something that's concerning then yeah, then then I'm gonna, you know, take action on that. But at that point she hadn't seen anything from Demi that was concerning to her and then that was the first time she's like, shit, like this crazy and I need to like take a set back more at arm's length. I guess she did confront her by Mat: Yeah. I guess she did confront her by the John: the end. She did. And I do agree that Mat: end. She did. And I do agree that Michelle Harris: She did, and I do agree that in that instance where and Chase said it in the reunion to Zack after Zack and Brett kinda got into it about the whole Mat: in that instance where and Chase said it in the reunion to Zack after Zack and Brett kinda got into it about the whole Michelle Harris: Marciano Villa situation and then to me and Mat: Marciano Villa situation and then Denis and the Halloween chase in the Halloween. Yeah. So the fact that Denis was willing to describe it as a shove really bothered Miranda because that is the father of her children and she's like, I'm not gonna stand here when it's on tape. Witnesses were there. Yeah, it yeah, it's not a shove like a condescending tap. Michelle Harris: the wh chase in the Halloween party. So the fact that Demi was willing to describe it as a shove really bothered Miranda because that is the father of her children. She's like, I'm not gonna stand here when it's on tape. Witnesses were there. I was there. It's not a shove. And a condescending tap John: Chase at the Halloween party. So the fact that Demi was willing to describe it as a shove really bothered Miranda because that is the father of her children. She's like, I'm not gonna stand here when it's on tape. Witnesses were there. I was there. It's not a shove. And a condescending tap Michelle Harris: Is not is is way different of a conversation than a shove. Shoving a woman and then being condescending to a woman, both not great, both terrible. But it's just it it just changes the narrative and it matters. So she's like, I'm not gonna stand by and let this happen. And that was the first time confronting to me. And Chase, when he was behind the Dunkin' Donuts bar during a break, they show a shot of him talking to Zach and was like John: is not is is way different of a conversation than a shove. Yeah. Shoving a woman and then being condescending to a woman, both not great, both terrible. But it's just it it just changes the negative and it matters. So she's like, I'm not gonna stand by and let this happen and that was the first time confronting to me. And Chase when he was behind the Dunkin' Donuts bar during a break, they s show a shot of him talking to Zach and was like, Mat: Is not is is way different of a conversation than a shove. Yeah, for sure. Shoving a woman and then being condescending to a woman, both not great. Both But a shove is way worse. Like come on. Yeah. She's like, I'm not gonna stand by and let this happen. And that was the first time confronting to me. And Chase, when he was behind in the Dunkin' Donuts bar during a break, they sh show a shot of him talking to Zach and was like John: you know, like what if that wasn't caught on camera? Michelle Harris: You know, like, what if that wasn't caught on camera? Mat: You know, like what if that wasn't caught camera? Michelle Harris: And she came after me and like said that. And he was like, I'm glad it was on it and he's like listen he was like, Listen, I I shouldn't have done that and I apologize for that, but like I'm glad that the actual action of like what I did wasn't twisted because it could have John: She came after me and saying that he was like, I'm glad it was on it. And he's like, listen, he was like, listen, I I shouldn't have done that, and I apologize for that, but like I'm glad that the actual action of like what I did wasn't twisted because it could have Mat: yeah, it'd just be yeah, what was said you'd have to Yeah, thankfully. He was like listen I John: what if what if she turned it into I sexually assaulted her because I touched her butt or whatever it was. Yeah. A shove turns into now he grabbed my ass. Like, you know, like it's like so I did find it interesting that he was like Michelle Harris: What if what if she turned it into I sexually assaulted her 'cause I touched her butt or whatever it was. Like a shove turns into now he ground my ass. Like, you know, like it's like so I did find it interesting that he was like Mat: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Jeez. And then she goes into what how I Michelle Harris: I'm not gonna believe a word she says because she blew up something that was even on film. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then she goes into well what how I don't know what to call it because he touched me. What what's a shove? Like and then it's like, No, like you know that this is not a shove is John: I'm not gonna believe a word she says because she blew up something that was even on film. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then she goes into w what how I don't know what to call it because he touched me. What what's a shove? Like and then it's like, no, like you know that this is I'll show you what a shove is. Like Mat: don't Me, what what's a shove? Like and then it's like, no, like you know that I'll show you what a shove is, like Come on now. A shove no not her, but like I'll shove John, like a shove is a shove, like Yeah, I'm John: come on now. Sorry, you draw it up John, like a shove is a shove, like Go ahead, go ahead. Michelle Harris: Not You and John get up. Mat: not gonna shove you, but like you're like almost falling on the ground, John: You're like almost falling on the ground. Mat: like if somebody shoves you. Yeah, no, it's yeah, like come on. John: Yeah, no, it's yeah. So he he did they did show that Michelle Harris: Yeah, no, it's yeah, so he he did they did show that in the reunion that he was like, Thank God it was like on film. And he was like, I probably will never be around her like in my head, like I was thinking he didn't say this, but I'm like he's probably like, I'll never be around her when there's not a camera Like, you know, like John: in the reunion that he was like, Thank God it was like on film No, good. Yeah, good for him for speaking. And he was like, I probably will never be around her like in my head, like I was thinking he didn't say this but I'm like he's probably like, I'll never be around her when there's not a camera. Mat: No, good, yeah, good for him for speaking up on that. Like I will never be around her. Like in my head, like I was thinking he didn't say this, but he's probably like be around her when there's not a camera. absolutely. Like I need witnesses, I need cameras, I need this John: I need cameras, I need this bitch is crazy. She's turning everything So what's your opinion Mat: bitch is crazy. She's turning everything. So what's your opinion? John: of Marciano? I don't really know. This greasy man. Yeah, the greasy man. Well I n I do know that him and Jesse are now together. Mat: I don't really know. Yeah, the greasy man. Well, I n I do know that him and Jesse are now together. Michelle Harris: This greasy man. Mat: Like I do like that is one of the more recent things that I do know. And that whole like it's just it's just funny. Like the whole thing with him and Demi and Jesse and and then like John: Yeah. And that whole like it's just it's just funny. Like the whole thing with him and Demi and Jesse and Yeah. And then like Michelle Harris: And that whole like it's just it's just funny, like the whole thing with him and to me and Jesse and Yeah. And then like this was this this season is when they went and like did the lie detector test. I thought right that was earlier on. Yeah, and it was so funny. that's when Jesse's calling George John: this was this this season is when they went and like did the lie detector test. I thought that was earlier on. Yeah, and it was so funny Mat: This was this this season is when they went and like did the lie detector test. I thought right? Like that was earlier on. Yeah, and it was so funny. that's when Jesse's is calling Jordan John: That's when Jesse's is calling Jordan Mat: and he's like they like go out to dinner with Marciano and I'm like, This is a lot. Like And even Taylor John: and he's like they like dropped a dinner with Marciano and I'm like, This is a lot like Yeah. And even Taylor Michelle Harris: They're out to dinner. Yeah. Yeah. And even Taylor clocked it. She was like We shouldn't be going. Yeah, why are we here? Which Yeah, it's funny. Well then Taylor Michaela before that went to meet with him. I feel like that was one of the like road trip fun parts of the season. Yeah. Them trying to pee. John: clocked it, she's like Why are we here? What are we doing? Mat: Why are we here? What are we doing? So yeah, it's funny and well then Macy and Michaela before that went to meet with him. I feel like that was one of the like their like road trip. Yeah. Well they made like ten bathroom breaks and shit 'cause they're John: So yeah, it's funny well then Macy and Michaela before that went to meet with them. I feel like that was one of the most like road trip fun parts of the season. Yeah. Was like them like bathroom breaks and shit 'cause they're pregnant and shit. For like what, a two and a half hour drive. They made it in six hours and thirty minutes. Mat: pregnant as shit. Like five bathroom breaks two snaps. Michelle Harris: like they're like five bathroom breaks, two snack breaks, and like a a stretch break later. Like they've made it more like what a two and a half a two a two and a half hour drive, they made it in six hours and thirty minutes. Mat: For like what, a two and a half hour drive? John: Well, that and like Jaceano and their their fake interrogations. The role playing Jaceano. We gotta role play this out, Jace Yano. That's funny. Yeah, no, that was that was good stuff. And you don't see that playful f side from Jace a lot, and so like I did think that that was refreshing. Yeah. And lately on Mat: Seattle. That's funny. Yeah, no, that was that was good stuff. So like I did think that that was refreshing. Yeah. And lately Michelle Harris: And you don't see that playful side from Jace a lot. And so like I did think that that was refreshing. Yeah. And lately on Michaela's TikTok he has been getting more involved and people are commenting and they're like, man, he actually participated in this one because normally the joke is like she's doing a TikTok and then he's just standing there like straight faced. And I think that's like part of the joke. But like now he's sticking Because like on the reunions, like they just show him and he's like John: Michaela's TikTok he has been getting more involved and people are commenting and they're like, man, he actually participated in this one 'cause normally the joke is like she's doing a TikTok and then he's just standing there like straight faced. And I think that's like part of the joke, but like like that's his stick, like Because like on the reunions like they just show him and he's like Mat: She's doing a TikTok and then he's just standing there like straight faced. like that's his stick, like they just show up and he's like and it's like just so like no emotion. Yeah. John: and it's like just so like no emotion. Yeah. So I think on her TikTok Michelle Harris: And it's like just so like no emotion. So I think on her TikTok, she has a very dark sense of humor anyway. So I think that they've played into that where it's like every time they show him, he's like So then on her TikTok that's what he does. But then lately he's been getting a little bit more playful. So I'm like, nice. Yeah. Yeah, he can play the piano though. He we talked about that. beautifully. John: She has a very dark sense of humor anyway. Okay. So I think that they've played into that where it's like every time they show him, he's like So that on her TikTok that's what he does. Mat: Okay. It's like Yeah. Okay. All right. Well that's cool. Yeah. is he the one that was playing at the yeah, John: So that's kinda nice. Yeah. Yeah, he can play the piano though. He she's the one that was playing at the Mat: where was that at stagecoach. At the at the mansion, like the it had a piano and he's playing like classical music. Yeah. she had really thin pigtails. And she makes a joke of it now, so she's never like putting like Poppy Longstock. Michelle Harris: At Stagecoach. And Whitney show at the mansion. At the mansion and Whitney's showing up and it's like Yeah. Yeah. she had really thin pigtails and she makes a joke of it now, so she'd never like put extent. John: at Stagecoach. Stagecoach. And Whitney's show. At the mansion and Whitney's showing up and it's like she's got her like pigtails. she had really thin pigtails. And she makes a joke of it now, so she'd never like But like poppy long stocking pigtails. Michelle Harris: Yeah. So she would never do like extensions or anything or like tape ins, they call them, to like make it thicker. And then during press she was like, I might have to start doing tape ins. I love like the volume of my hair. And then she was like and so now she's made like jokes like, I'm never gonna go back to the pigtails and it's like and it's like the two little like tiny little pigtails coming down and like now is like when she showed up her TikToks or left. Yeah, yeah. John: So she would never do like extensions or anything or like tape ins, they call them, to like make it thicker. Mat: like extensions or anything or like tape ins they call them to like make it thicker. And then during press she's like, I might have to start doing tape ins. I love like the volume of my hair. And then she's like and so now she's made like jokes like, I'm never gonna go back to the pigtails and it's like and it's like the two little like tiny little pigtails coming down and like And that was like when she showed up at the at the house. Okay. They shot their TikToks and left. Yeah yeah John: And then during press she like, I might have to start doing tape ins, I love like the volume of my hair. And then she was like and so now she's made like jokes like, I'm never gonna go back to the pigtails and it's like and it's like the two little like tiny little pigtails coming down and like And that was like when she showed up at the house. They shot their TikToks and left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it wasn't the first time she did that. Season one she did that hairstyle when she was completely blonde and Mat: yeah. Michelle Harris: And that wasn't the first time she did that. Season one she did that hairstyle when she was completely blonde and when she went to go with Mikaela to confront Taylor at brunch. She had the the pigtails in it. Yeah, and she's the one like you say completely blonde. She's the one I remember in like season one, was always a joke different hair. So we're gonna get a different personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She would change her hair a lot. And now she's she's settled into the red. It looks great on her, by the way. John: When she went to go with Michaela to confront Taylor at brunch, she had the pigtails. Yeah, and she's the one, like you say completely blonde. She's the one I remember in like season one, like it was always a joke of like, Whitney's got different hair. Like So we're gonna get a different personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She would change her hair a lot. And now she's she's settled into the red. It looks great on her, way. Her Mat: Yeah, and she's the one like you say completely blonde. She's the one I remember in like season one, like it was always a joke of like, Whitney's got different hair, like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. She settled into the red. John: fashion, I will say, I'll give her credit on this. Her fashion Michelle Harris: say I'll give it credit on this. John: has gotten better season by season. Okay, alright. Mat: Better season by season. Okay, alright. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. It's there's some choices. We and we we talked about that 'cause the first season at Macy's birthday weekend where they all went to Park City, she showed up in a jumpsuit that was like multicolor jumpsuit with big boots and like I'm like Holy crap. Like I know you're going to a ski resort, but like Mat: The first season is like there are some choices. John: The first season is like there's some choices. We and we we talked about that 'cause the first season at Macy's birthday weekend where they all went to Park City, she showed up in a jumpsuit that was like Mat: City, she showed up in a jumpsuit that was like multicolor jumpsuit with big boots and like John: multicolor jumpsuit with big boots and like I'm like holy crap. Like I know you're going to a ski resort but like that was Mat: I know you're going to a ski resort but like that Michelle Harris: That was a lot. So I mean good for her for the bold choices and like sticking with it and being on camera for it. Like I definitely dress way more greys, blacks, like not really colorful. But yeah, she's definitely been out there with her looks. But it has been getting better season by season. And she also has just been getting better, John: a lot. So I mean good for her for the bold choices and like sticking with it and being on camera for it. Like I definitely dress way more greys, blacks, like not really colorful. But yeah, she's definitely been out there with her looks. But it has been getting better season by season. And she also has just been getting better Mat: was a lot. So I mean good Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. John: Like the more I feel like she's like in the spotlight and like making friends. Michelle Harris: like the more I feel like she's like in the spotlight and like making friends. Mat: feel she's like in the spotlight and like making friends. So yeah, it's John: So yeah, it's it's it's a lot, but now she looks great. Good for her. I guess. She just did like a Vogue photo shoot and she looked really good, like big curly. That's what I'm saying. She's moved she's moved beyond Mormon Wives. Photo shooting dancing with the stars, and she was on Michelle Harris: So yeah, it's it's it's a lot, but now she looks great. Good for her. She just did like a vogue photo shoot and she looked really good, like big curly hair, voluminous. And maybe it wasn't vogue, but it was definitely like a it was like a high end photo shoot. Dancing stars. Mat: it's it's a lot, but now she looks great. Good for her. I guess I haven't seen her. Big curly. Well I mean she did photo shoot Dancing with the Stars. Then she was on Broadway. She went back Michelle Harris: She's going back on Broadway. Mat: on Broadway. Back on Broadway. Like this like she's filming, they started a production company, her and Connor. Okay. They're filming Michelle Harris: Yeah. I think they're filming they started a production company, her and Connor. Okay. They're filming John: I think they're filming they started a production company, her and Connor. Okay. They're filming Michelle Harris: reality TV. I don't we don't know yet if she's in it or if they're just producing reality TV. Okay. So we don't know if it's gonna be Elevit reality TV, which everyone's requesting, but Connor is going on Dancing with the Stars from what we know. Official announcement. But her her her Broadway return would align with John: reality TV. I don't we don't know yet if she's in it or if they're just producing reality TV. Okay. So we don't know if it's gonna be eleven reality TV, which everyone's requesting, but Connor is going on Dancing with the Stars from what we know. Official and often Rumors Rumors Her Broadway return would align with Mat: they're just producing reality T V. Okay. So we don't know if it's gonna be a Leb It reality TV requesting, but Connor is going on dancing with the stars from what we know. Rumors rumors Michelle Harris: him ending Dancing with the Stars if he would win. Okay. John: him ending dancing with the stars if he would win. Okay. Mat: Okay. John: So they're Michelle Harris: So they're John: cutting out like she's cutting out enough time to watch the kids for him to do that and then our Broadway stint starts back up in December. When do we get the list of Dancing with the September second. September second. That's it's a couple days Wednesday. It's Wednesday. Yeah the thirty first is Monday. I mean it will it will have been out by the time this comes out, but yes. Yeah, it'll be a day before today. Are you gonna insert a cut? Michelle Harris: cutting out like she's cutting out enough time to watch the kids for him to do that and then her Broadway stint starts back up in December. When do we get the list of dancing? September second. September second. Yeah. It's a couple days. That's next week. Wednesday. Yeah, the thirty first is Monday. I mean it will it will have been out by the time this comes out, but yes. Yeah, it'll be a day before today. No shirt a Mat: She's cutting out enough time to watch the kids for him to do that. Okay, alright. We'll see. When do we get the list of Dancing with the Stars? September 2nd. That's that's next week. Yeah, the 31st is Monday. Yeah, Wednesday. We'll have that by the time this comes out, but yes. Yeah, it'll be a day before today. Are you gonna insert here? Michelle Harris: cut here. no, no, no. A week. John: Here a week. Mat: no, no, no, because John: No, no, no. We'll we'll Yeah, it's funny, like because we just recorded yesterday. Michelle Harris: No, no, no. We'll we'll talk about it later. Mat: Yeah, it's funny, like because we just recorded yesterday, episode ten. And that'll be Thursday the fourth. Michelle Harris: four Thursday. And that'll be Thursday the fourth. John: And that'll be Thursday the fourth. Mat: which means this will be Thursday the eleventh. John: which means this will be Thursday the eleventh. Michelle Harris: The eleventh? This episode. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember. Are are decap episodes the place? Yes. The answer is yes. John: This episode. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember. Are are are your recap episodes usually this all over the place? so the Mat: This episode. no. so the we're like at the beginning. Thursday Thursday the third will be episode ten. John: We're we're like at the beginning. Thursday Thursday the third will be episode ten. Michelle Harris: yeah. Mm-hmm. So this will be Thursday, the tenth tenth. Well this will air. This will air. Yeah. When you're listening to this, it is September 10th. I hope you're having a good day. Hope everybody's having a great Mat: So this will be Thursday the tenth. This will air. This will air. When you're listening to this, it is September tenth. Hope everybody's having a great day. John: So this will be Thursday the tenth. Well this will air. This will air. Yeah. When you're listening to this, it is September tenth. I hope you're having a good day. Hope everybody's having a great day. Michelle Harris: day. But anyway, yeah, so we'll get the official announcement. We'll make it on whatever podcast we record next. But we're excited about Gonna. John: Get the official announcement. We'll make it on whatever podcast we record next. But just record a quick little We'll record a quick little thing we'll post. Yeah, let's get excited about Connor Mat: Maybe we well, let's just record a quick little record a quick little thing we'll put. Yeah, let's get excited about Connor and whoever else. Is there anybody else like that you know that's on it or rumored to be on it or John: and whoever else. I'm in the Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, I know a couple of people that are gonna be on it. Michelle Harris: I'm just excited about Dancer of the Stars. Anybody else like that you know that's on on it or Yeah, I John: So Jenna Michelle Harris: know a couple people are gonna be on it. So Jenna from Step Up who is married to Channing Tatum. Okay. John: From Step Up who is married to Channing Tatum. Okay. Jack Olson from the Savannah Bananas are gonna be on it. Christ, I forgot this Mat: Christ, I forgot the S fucking Savannah Bananas. We did, we did. I think I just blocked it out. I'm like this is Yeah, this all makes sense now. I was I heard Savannah Bananas and I was like I'm not listening. I don't give a shit about this. I don't give a fuck John: fucking song. Yeah, I thought you announced this a couple episodes ago. Guillermo, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this all makes sense now. I'm like, I heard Savannah Bananas and I was like I'm not listening. You don't like the Savannah bananas? Michelle Harris: Guillermo from Jimmy Kimmel is gonna be on it. Yeah, this all makes sense. Yeah, yeah. I'm like we've already bananas now. Ha ha But we'll get the fullest. Mat: about that. John: They're great, man. I bought I bought Julia Did see Did you go when they were in Baltimore? No. I why not? Because the tickets were too expensive. Yeah, because it's a fucking racket. I bought Julia jersey. Well I don't get that is like so now they have multiple teams, but they keep it they're They have the party animals. They have the party I thought they have three now. I thought there was more than more the more than two. But they always play the bananas, I feel like. Mat: Did you have you seen Did you go when they were in Baltimore? No. Why not? Because the tickets were too expensive. Yeah, 'cause it's a fucking racket. I bought your let's go watch some real fucking baseball. Yeah, let's how about we watch some real baseball. Michelle Harris: Banana ball. Well I don't get is like so now they have multiple teams but they keep it they keep calling it bananas. They have the party I thought they had three now. I thought there was more than one the more than two. But they always play the bananas actually. Mat: Christ. John: Yeah, for a while it was just two teams and they always but they just they call it banana ball. So how are you ever gonna have more teams? Like are the Savannah Bananas just gonna always be the elite team? Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah, for a while it was just two teams and they always but they just they call it banana ball. So how are you ever gonna have more teams like are the Savannah bananas just gonna always be the elite team? You gotta re you gotta you gotta let the other teams fly. Anyway. They're part of they're part of the show. John: You gotta let the other teams fly. Anyway, they're part of they're part of the back to reality TV. Mat: You gotta let the other teams fly. Anyway, back to back to reality TV. Not some fucking weird ass baseball bullshit. Savannah bananas. They're doing flips and shit. Like, what is this? Entertainment. John: Tell us how you really feel. It's entertainment. More entertaining than baseball. Am I right? Mat: I love baseball. I'll sit Michelle Harris: Reality T V, yeah. John: yes. Mat: I'll sit through nine innings. Fuck the pitch clock fuck the D H Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like w there should be no DH. Michelle Harris: pitch clock. Look, fuck the DNA turning into a sports podcast. There should be no DH. I will John: pitch clock. Look. fuck the D A Yeah, I will I will sit through, you know, people yelling Michelle Harris: sit through, you know, people yelling John: at each other over not commenting on each other's posts Mat: Ha ha ha ha. John: about going to the CMAs. no. Mat: no. John: Not even commenting, commenting quick enough. You know. It's gotta be within twenty four hours. Like they like each other but just liking Mat: Yeah, yeah, quick enough. Yeah, yeah. But they liked it all too though. Like they liked it, but they didn't comment. Michelle Harris: Yeah, it was twenty four hours. It was twenty four hours. Like they liked it, but they didn't count. John: is Are you a true friend? Are you a true friend? You liked it. You texted her. Mat: my goodness. You liked it, you texted her, Michelle Harris: Twenty four hours. Are you a true friend? You liked it. You texted her, Mat: but you didn't comment for the rest of the world to see. So like get the fuck out of here with that shit too. Yeah. Michelle Harris: but you didn't comment for the rest of the world to see. So like get the fucking And then Jesse even gave her free extensions and gave her mom free extensions John: But you didn't comment for the rest of the world to see. Yeah. Like get the function. And then Jesse even gave her free extensions, Michelle Harris: and all this stuff and yeah, still not good enough. Yeah, not good enough. No. John: yeah. Yeah, not good enough. Mat: Yeah, not good enough. John: No. No. No. Anything else from season three that we're missing? I'm trying to think Mat: Anything else from season three that we're missing? Was there any were there Michelle Harris: I'm trying to think. Mat: any other like events or parties or Michelle Harris: Events and parties, no, I mean they had definitely multiple events, the Hydro Jug event, they had that luxury bag event where they were competing, but that's when that was in season three? That was episode one. okay. Yeah. To win the bag. That's when Layla that's when Layla broke the news to Jesse that Marciona John: And parties know, I mean they had definitely multiple events, the Hydro Jug event, they had that luxury bag event where they were competing, but that's when That was in season three? That was episode one. okay, and that was like where like they were like trying to win the bag. That's when That's where that's when Layla broke the news to Jesse that Marcion. Mat: That was in season three? okay, and that was like where like they were like trying to get like the work that they suggest the Michelle Harris: had said what he said and then she drove off. John: Yeah. Mat: okay, okay, yeah, yeah. John: okay, okay, yeah, yeah. They did show an unseen clip, Michelle Harris: They did show an unseen clip, a never before seen clip in the season three reunion where after that happened John: a never before seen clip in the season three reunion where after that happened Michelle Harris: Jesse called Marciano and they have the voice the the audio of it. Okay. And it was John: Jesse called Marciano and they have the voice the the audio of it. okay. And it was Mat: called Marciano and they have the voice the the audio okay and it was John: What the fuck? I just heard you told Layla that we slept together and Marciano says yes and then she goes, You you know that's not the truth and he was like, Mm and she goes, No, like we kissed twice, like what else did we do? And he was like, Well all this stuff and I took a CLS. I took a C didn't even say that he was like Well Mat: what the fuck I just heard you told Layla that we slept together Marciano says yes and then she goes, you know that Michelle Harris: What the fuck? I just heard you told Layla that we slept together and Marciona says, Yes and then she goes, You n you know that's not the truth and he was like, Mm and she goes, No, like we kissed twice, like what else do we do? And he was like, Well Mat: She goes, No, like we kissed twice, like what else did we do? And he was like, Well, all this stuff and he's like a Well are you she's like, If we're Michelle Harris: all this stuff and he was like a CL I took a Ciel No, well he didn't even say that but he was like Well are you she's like if we're gonna if this is gonna come out, it's coming out like and like we need to be honest about it. Like w like I'm willing to be honest And he goes, Are you gonna be honest that you wanted to leave your husband and that you loved me and she said Yes Mat: gonna if this is gonna come out it's John: She's like, If we're gonna if this is gonna come out, it's coming out like I'm like we need to be honest about it, like wow I'm willing to be honest and he goes, Are you gonna be honest that you wanted to leave your husband and that you loved me? And she said, Yes. Mat: Yeah, yeah. Me and John: wow. Well and in the long run she actually did. And so and then Mat: she said yes. wow. Well and in the long run she actually did. So then Michelle Harris: And long run reaction they did. And so and then he sho he's like, Well then yes and he goes, Well I'm just gonna say Demi fucked me. Like Demi fucked me and all of a sudden like so like that's on like and like not f like act but like fucked him over. Like like you know, like like like it's just like he's sh Yeah, like it's like like she like and she he was like fuck and then like it like the audio cuts out. I mean he he's just there. John: Sho he's like, Well then yes and he goes, Well I'm just gonna say Demi fucked me. Like Demi fucked me and all of s and like so like that's on like and like not f like act but like fucked him over. Like it's just like he's not the good kind of Yeah, like it's like like she like and she he was like fuck and then like it like the audio cuts out. I mean he he's just there Mat: Say Demi fucked me. Like Demi fucked me, and all of a sudden like so like that's on like and like not fu like but like fucked him over. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the good kind of fuck. Like it's like it's like she like and she he was like fuck and then like they like the audio blessed out. I mean he he's just there to be and Jordan was like, Well Jesse specifically said that John: to be And George on camera all you know Michelle Harris: And Jordan was like, Well, you know, Jesse specifically said that John: Jesse specifically said that Michelle Harris: she was never gonna leave me for him and then all the girls were like, She didn't say for him. That didn't say for him. It was she was gonna leave you and she had feelings for him, but like not for him. Like she was already and so Jesse at that point the entire time was like she left him. John: she was never gonna leave me for him, and then all the girls were like, She didn't say for him. That didn't say for him. It was she was gonna leave you and she had feelings for him, but like not for him. Like she was already and so Jesse at that point the entire time was like She left him Mat: She didn't say for him. That didn't say for him. It was she was gonna leave you and she had feelings for him, but for him. Like she was already and so Jesse at that point the entire John: and she's with Marciano now. But I think at that point, like she wasn't a good because when they got like when he filed Mat: time was like She left him and she's with Marciana. And now she's with Marciano. She had to leave him anyway. Like he's not he wasn't a good person. Michelle Harris: But I think at that point she wasn't a good person. Because when they got like when he filed for divorce John: I thought she filed for divorce. he filed for divorce. He filed for divorce. So when he filed for a divorce, she was in LA. And she was in LA Mat: he filed for divorce? Okay. Michelle Harris: He filed for a divorce. So when he filed for a divorce, she was in LA. And she was in LA Mat: A Michelle Harris: and she was filming a TikTok with Sasha Barber from Dancing with the Stars. And she got a text from him saying, I'm going to the courthouse to file and she was like, Fuck like 'cause at that point she had told him, I am leaving. This is my intention So he beat her to it. John: She was filming a TikTok with Sasha Barber from Dancing with the Stars and she got a text from him saying, I'm going to the courthouse to file. And she was like, Fuck like 'cause at that point she had told him, I am leaving. This is my intention, so he beat her to it. Mat: She like, fuck. Like, 'cause at that point she had told him, I am leaving. This is my intention. So he beat her to it. Okay. The next day she had already scheduled the interview with call her daddy Alex Cooper. She already was like planning on doing this podcast. Okay. The next day they filmed that podcast. So they like they do and I listen to this podcast and they prefaced this is being filmed on this date at this time. John: Okay. The next day she had already scheduled the interview with called her daddy Alex Cooper. She already was like planning on doing this podcast. Okay. The next day they filmed that podcast. So they like they do and I listen to this podcast and they Michelle Harris: The next day she had already scheduled the interview with Call Her Daddy Alex Cooper. She already was like planning on doing this podcast. The next day they filmed that podcast. So they like they do and I listen to this podcast and they preface this is being filmed on this date at this time. This John: preface this is being filmed on this date at this time. This is what's happened to date, and if anything happens after this, it just wasn't it's not that we're ignoring it, it's just this is like where we're at. Okay. And she says, I told Jordan I was gonna leave, and at that point Alex says, Have you talked to Marciona? Are you with him? She goes, I haven't talked to him in seven months, and I'm not Mat: This is what's happened to date and if anything happens after this, it just wasn't it's not that we're ignoring it, it's just this is like where we're at. Okay. And she says, I told Jordan I was gonna leave and at that point Alex says, Have you talked to Marciano? Are you with him? And she goes, I haven't talked to him in seven months and I'm not Michelle Harris: is what's happened to date. And if anything happens after this, it just wasn't it's not that we're ignoring it. It's just this is like where we're at. And she says, I told Jordan I was gonna leave. And at that point, Alex says, Have you talked to Marciano? Are you with him? And she goes, I haven't talked to him in seven months, and I'm not Mat: or something like that. And she was like, and that's not a thing. Okay. They didn't start filming TikToks until probably a month after that interview. Michelle Harris: or something like that. And she was like, and that's not a thing. They didn't start filming TikToks until probably a month after that interview. John: Or something like that and she was like and that's not a thing. Okay. They didn't start filming TikToks until probably a month after that interview. Okay. And then they started the relationship. So at that point he had already filed for divorce. Yeah. She had already said he she was gonna leave anyway. So she actually recently him for Marciano. It's just that ended and then they reconnected and then they kinda resolved stuff and then that happened. But at that point she was like I haven't talked to him And he got a he got a tattoo. Mat: Okay. And then they started their relationship. So at that point he had already filed for divorce. Yeah. She had already said who she was gonna leave anyway. So she actually did him for Marciano, it's just that ended and then they reconnected and then they kind of resolved stuff. And Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah. I haven't talked to him in a while. Michelle Harris: And then they started the relationship. So at that point, he had already filed for divorce. She had already said he she was gonna leave anyway. So she actually didn't leave him for Marciano. It's just that ended and then they reconnected and then they kinda resolve stuff and then that happened. But at that point she was like, I haven't talked to him and I don't have a relationship with him. John: her name. Marciano did. Yeah. Recently. Very recently. Mat: Marciano did of Jesse's name. Recently, very Michelle Harris: Yes. Recently, very recently. That always works out well, so yeah. Yeah. Wasn't it wasn't it a Jay Z? Maybe. It was Jay Z. Yeah. Let me get that Jiz tattoo. John: Well that always works out well. So I'm sure they'll do together for that. Absolutely. Wasn't it a Jay Z? Maybe, yeah. I've not Jiz tattooed on him? Yeah. Let me get that Jiz tattoo. It's Mat: Well that always works out well. So like I'm sure they'll be together for a long time. it a Jay Z? Maybe he got Jizz tattooed on him? Let me get that Jiz tattoo. Yeah, that's when you know it's true love. John: on his when you know it's true love. It's on his shorts and now it's on his you know, his body. Yeah, when you get that Jizz tattoo, that's when you know it's true love. yeah, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mat: Yeah, when you get that Jiz tattoo, that's when you know it's true love. yeah, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: yeah, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well I woke up with cum in my pants, so he must have had sex. Took a John: Well, I woke up with cum in my pants, so he must have had sex. Yeah, and you Mat: Yeah, I mean you John: A lot of this I feel like there's a lot of this in season four. Okay, okay. Maybe you're getting ahead of yourselves. No, yeah, no. What can you tell us about season four without giving away too much? I will preview Michelle Harris: I feel like there's a lot of this in season four. Okay, okay. No, yeah, no, like no. What can you what can you tell us about season four without giving away too much? Mat: No, yeah. Yeah, don't give away too much. John: that dad talk goes on Vanderpump Villa. you know we knew that. We knew that Michelle Harris: Vanderpunk villa. I do know that. We knew that. We knew that. We don't know anything about Mat: and we knew that. We knew that. We don't know anything about Michelle Harris: it, but we knew So Marciano is still on the show. On Vanderpump? Yeah. And they all We gotta cover it. We gotta cover it. Yeah. Yeah. I think this would be grounds filled. This might be the first time they meet in person, Jordan and Marciano. Probably. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we did Mat: it, but we knew that. John: So Marciano is still on the show. And Vanderpump. Yep. And Jordan over there to fucking Van Der Pump with Marciano there. I think this is the this might be the first time they meet in person, Jordan and Marciano. Yeah. So yeah, we Mat: On Vanderpump? Yeah. So they all go there to fucking Vanderpump with Marciano there. this is gonna be drama filled. Okay. Okay. Yeah, we did we did the one Vanderpump John: did we did the one Van. Mat: episode where the girls went there. Yeah. So we'll have to do this one when it's saucy. John: where the girls went there. Yeah. So we'll have to do that. And they do bring it up, Saucy asks Michelle Harris: Yeah. And they do bring it up, Saucy asks, like like when Dad Talk comes out on stage, she goes, I recently saw you guys on Vanderpump. How was your experience? And they're like, You guys gotta watch. Like it will come out. So we do gotta cover that. Like where that lands do that on like a Tuesday. I think we just do it maybe before season four. Yeah. John: like like when Dad Talk comes out on stage, she goes, I recently saw you guys on Vanderpom. How was your experience? And they're like, You guys gotta watch. Yeah. So we do gotta call So we gotta figure out like where that lands in season four and like do that on like a Tuesday. I think we just do it maybe before season four. Yeah. Yeah. Well Mat: So we gotta figure out like where that lands in season four and like do that on like a Tuesday. Yeah. Well that's like coming John: that's like coming Mat: quick. also i if you don't if do you have any other f season four bullshit. Yeah. John: Also i if you don't if do you have any other f season four bull No, no no. Michelle Harris: you don't if you have any other season four bullets. No, no. Yeah. Also what we're doing, obviously you know, is the Let's Marry Harry. And I know you watched all of that. I Wait, wait, wait, wait. Before before we move on to Let's Marry Harry, I have one more question. Okay. I have one more question. Okay. Who is your favorite female and who's your favorite male? Okay. And then vice versa, who's your least favorite female and male? Okay. John: Also what we're doing, obviously you know, is the let's marry Harry. and I know you watched all of that. I so no, no, I didn't before before we move on to Let's Marry Harry. I have one more question. Okay. I have one more question. Okay. Who is your favorite female? And who is your favorite male? Okay. And then vice versa, who you sh Mat: Also what we're doing, obviously you know, is the Let's Marry Harry. And I know you watched all of that. wait, wait, we move on to Let's Marry Harry, I have one more question. Okay. Okay. And then vice versa, who your least favorite female name? Those are good John: Your least favorite female and Mat: questions. So I think my favorite is it's probably Macy, just because she's probably the least shitty. John: male. Okay. So I think my favorite is it's probably Macy, just because she's probably the least shitty Michelle Harris: So I think my favorite is it's probably Macy, just because she's probably the least shitty. Okay. No no like that's a great title. I'm the least shitty Hi, I'm Macy. I'm the least shitty. John: No no like she's a great title. I'm shitty. Like like there's no I'm least shitty. there's Mat: No, like That's a great time. I'm the least shitty. I'm least shitty? John: no like drama with her or like Yeah, there's not like this Mat: Yeah, there's not like there's nothing that comes to my mind of like, fucking Macy. Yes. Like John: Macy. Yes. Like. I Michelle Harris: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. I would agree. All right. And I think, god, my least favorite. It's been Whitney up until this season. Goodness. And I think this season it's probably Demine. Scott. I mean no no, it's definitely Demen. I like I think taking her out of the picture John: would agree. Yeah. Alright. And I think god, my least favorite? It's been Whitney up until this season. my goodness. And I think this season it's probably Demi. Okay, that's got it. I mean no no, it's definitely Demi. I like I think taking her out of the picture. I don't Mat: Okay. Alright, alright. And I think god, my least favorite. It's been Whitney up until the my goodness. And I think this season it's probably Demi. Okay, it's gotta be Demi. Come on. Yeah. Like I think taking her out of the picture John: Jesse's just a Jesse's a mess, don't Mat: Jessie's just a mess. Jesse's a mess, but I don't Michelle Harris: Jesse's a mess, but I don't I don't dislike her. And taking out the Demi if you took out Demi out of this situation, out of the the equation, 'cause she is just I I don't know, a cluster. Yeah. My least favorite is Jen. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. She's like not even really in this one though. It's just every time she opens her mouth I just get mad. Mat: I don't dislike her. And taking out the Demi if you took out Demi out of this situation, out of the the equation, because she is just I I don't know, a cluster. Yeah. My least favorite is Jet. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. She's like not even really in this one though. It's just every time she opens her mouth, I just get mad. I'm sorry. John: dislike her and taking out the Demi if you took out Demi out of this situation out of the equation 'cause she is just I I don't know Cluster. Yeah. My least favorite is Jen. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. She's like not even really in this one though. It's just every time she opens her mouth I just get mad. I I'm sorry. Michelle Harris: I I'm sorry. It's just the way she presents herself and the way she talks and the way she's all of a sudden good with Whitney but then she was like it she takes the popular vote and then runs with it. So it's like everyone hates Whitney, so then I'm gonna take it a step further and tell Whitney that our friendship was fake and you weren't there for me. Bitch, she was cleaning your house. Yeah. John: It's just the way she presents herself and the way she talks and the way she's all of a sudden good with Whitney, but then she was like it she takes the popular vote and then runs with it. So it's like everyone hates Whitney, so then I'm gonna take it a step further and tell Whitney that our friendship was fake and you weren't there for me. Then she was clean Mat: Cheers. all of a sudden good with Whitney but then she was like it she takes the popular vote and then runs with it. So it's like everyone hates Whitney, so then I'm gonna take it a step further and tell Whitney that our friendship was fake and you weren't there for me. Then she was cleaning your house. Yeah, John: Cleaning her house. Yeah. Mat: yeah. I just like I can't get behind her. Yeah. Yeah. I I I sympathize with her pregnancy, depression and issues. Yeah, she was going through a lot, but sh it's still like even after all that, like it's I always say it doesn't matter John: Like I I just like I can't get behind her at this moment. I'm just I I I sympathize with her pregnancy, depression, and issues and all that. Yeah, she was going through a lot, but she was going through a lot still like even after a while. Michelle Harris: Like I I just like I can't get behind her at this moment. I just I I I sympathize with her pregnancy, depression and issues and all that. She was going through a lab. She was going through a lot, but but I I always say it doesn't matter John: say it doesn't matter Michelle Harris: what you're going through, how you treat people at the end of the day is what matters. And you could be going through the worst day of your life, but that doesn't mean you need to turn on someone that was there for you and say, You were a fake friend when nothing had occurred between her and Whitney for that conversation to happen. Or that we John: what you're going through, how you treat people at the end of the day is what matters. And you could be going through the worst day of your life, but that doesn't mean you need to turn on someone that was there for you and say, You were a fake friend. Yeah. When nothing had occurred between her and Whitney for that conversation to happen. Or that Mat: And you could be going through the worst day of your life, but that doesn't mean you need to turn on someone that was there for you say, You were a fake friend. Yeah, that's shitty. Yeah. Or that we know of. John: we know of. Right. That we know. But then call it out then. If you're sitting there 'cause Whitney's like, I'm so confused, like what the fuck? Like I was there for you. Then say, Well this happened and this happened. No Mat: Right, right. But then call it out then. If you're sitting there 'cause Whitney's like, I'm so confused, like what the fuck? Like I was there for you then say, Well this happened and this happened. No, Michelle Harris: That we know of. But then call it out then. If you're sitting there 'cause Whitney's like, I'm so confused, like what the fuck? Like I was there for you. Then say, Well this happened and this happened. No, that didn't I'm gonna walk away from this conversation 'cause I'm I'm over it. Sorry, anyway, anyway. Anyway. I do think it's funny that Whitney always ends up being like best friends this season with whoever is like the least favorite mom time. John: I'm gonna walk away from this conversation. Sorry, anyway. Dad talk. I do think it's funny that Whitney always ends up being like best friends this season with whoever is like the least favorite mom Mat: that didn't I'm gonna walk away from this conversation. All right. Dad talk. Dad talk. John: talk. yeah, she was yeah, definitely. It's like Demi hates her. they're making TikToks together, you know. her Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's like Demi hates her. they're making TikToks together. You know. Mat: yeah, she was with yeah, Demi and Demi hates her. they're making TikToks tickets. John: I don't know whether it was like her and Miranda, but who It's like whoever's on the outs with TikTok or with mom talk. Well Miranda reached out to Whitney because she was already on the outs and then Miranda was already on the outs and she was like, you know, I'm Michelle Harris: It's like whoever's on the outs with TikTok or with mom talk. Well, Miranda reached out to Whitney because she was already on the outs and then Miranda was already on the outs and she was like, you know, I'm Mat: she was already on the outs and then Miranda was already on the outs and she was like, you know, I'm Michelle Harris: Miranda was the one who's like, I'm gonna start it with Whitney because Whitney's willing to talk to me. And I think to me, and I know Whitney is not painted in the best light, but I think she always gives people the space to even if they're not the f like in the group, she doesn't care about Mat: Miranda was alone, like I'm gonna start it with Whitney because Whitney's willing to talk to me. And I think to me, and I know Whitney is not painted in the best light, but I think she always gives people the space to even if they're not the like in the group, she doesn't care about John: Miranda was the one who's like, I'm gonna start it with Whitney because Whitney's willing to talk to me. And I think to me, and I know Whitney is not painted in the best light, but I think she always gives people the space to even if they're not the f like in the group, she doesn't care about Michelle Harris: that and she was like, you know what, this person's willing to talk to me and listen to me and hear me out, then sure, like like let me have a conversation with them and let me like talk to them. I they all do that. They all do that. They all do that. It's all in Bunny Grab for all of them. You can't put them just on Winnie. John: that. And she was like, You know what, this person's willing to talk to me and listen to me and hear me out Yeah. Then sure, like like let me have a conversation with them and let me like talk to them. Let me make some TikToks rebound. Mat: that. And she was like, you know what, this person's willing to talk to me and listen to me and hear me out. Yeah. Then sure Like like let me have a conversation with them and let me like talk to them. Let me make some TikToks about that. It's all about the TikToks. It's all the money graph for all. Yeah. You can't pull that joke on Windows. John: I they all do that. I know, I know. They all Yeah, they all do that. It's all a money grab. Mat: Gotta be an influencer. You gotta make the content. Alright, dads. Dad talk. Dakota's your favorite. We know that. Michelle Harris: Alright, dad's favorite, least favorite. Dakota's your favorite. No bad. Jordan's your favorite. John: Dad's rock. Dad's Dakota's your favorite. No, absolutely not. Jordan's your favorite. Alright. obviously Dakota's my least favorite. But just taking him out of it. Mat: Least favorite. Okay. That's fair. Just taking him out of it. Michelle Harris: Least favorite. That's fair. Just take him out of it. John: Probably Brett. Yeah, Brett's my least favorite. I can see that. Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: I can see that. Mat: Okay. So those two bottom. I think just him the way he was like talking John: Okay. I think just him the way he was like talking on the phone. Michelle Harris: I think just him the way he was like talking on the phone about Michaela being like white trapped Miranda. I'm I yeah. And she does up he does apologize to Miranda John: about Michaela being like white trash and Miranda. I'm sorry, I give and she does he does apologize to Miranda. Mat: yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: at the reunion about that phone conversation. I Miranda Miranda turns around and goes, I just wish this wasn't on T V. Like I wish you had called me out. Like yeah, it would and it would have been more sincere, but thank you. she was watching Mat: I I saw that. I saw that goes I just wish on TV. Like I wish you had It was more sincere, yeah. So I was I did The two of them are so calculated. She was watching John: I just wish this wasn't on T V. Like I wish you had more sincere like yeah, it would and it would have been more sincere was definitely not. The two of them are so like she was watching Mat: earlier John: earlier. Mat: and like I did like I was sitting on the couch and like Bucco sat on my lap and I was like Yeah. And I was like and she's like, I gotta finish this. Can I just watch it? And I'm like, Yeah, just put it on. Like so I did see like a couple people Michelle Harris: Buckles are cow cat. John: Yeah, yeah and I was like he's like, I gotta finish this, can I just watch it? And I'm like, Yeah, just put it on. Like so I did see like a couple people and that's why like that photo of fucking Dakota, like I was like, That's not Dakota, like I couldn't even tell. Yeah, he was like crying, his face was all red. But then the funny thing was like when it like first came on and I'm like Mat: And that's why like that photo of fucking Dakota, like I was like, That's not Dakota. Like I couldn't even tell. I don't know. He was like crying, his face was all red. But then the funny thing was like when it like first came on and I'm like Michelle Harris: He's always crying. He's always crying. The funny thing was like when it like first came on Mat: I'm like, who's that old guy? Like which one of these girls is with him? And then it was like, We have Taylor's dad here and I was like, Okay, this makes a lot more sense 'cause like these girls are all like Michelle Harris: guy like which one of these girls is with him and then it was like we have Taylor's dad here and over John: Yeah. These girls is with him, and then it was like, we have Taylor's dad here. And I was like, okay, this makes a lot more sense. These girls are all Jesse's Michelle Harris: These girls are Is that Tamil's husband? These girls are all like very young, like John: husband? These girls are all like very young, like Mat: The these girls are all like very young, like twenties, early thirties, and I'm like, Who's this old dude here? John: twenties, early thirties, and I'm like, who's this old dude here? Michelle Harris: I think I John: I think Jesse's the oldest and she's my age. Okay. Michelle Harris: think Jesse's the oldest since she's my age. Okay. Mat: Okay. Jesse Michelle Harris: Jesse was born in 1993. Okay. Yeah. They're all much younger than But yeah, I did I did see that like interaction where Brett said he was sorry about Miranda was like in like I love Miranda. John: Jesse was born in nineteen ninety. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they're all much younger than me. I did see that like interaction where Brett said he was sorry about and then Miranda was like she came right in like I wish you'd have fucking said this earlier. Mat: was one nineteen. Okay. Yeah, so much younger than But yeah, I did I did see that like interaction where Brett said he was sorry about and then Miranda was like she came right in like I wish you'd a fucking said this earlier, like not on TV for the cameras, like John: Like not on T V for the cameras. Michelle Harris: She's like not on TV for the camera. She's like, I'm not trying to dismiss your apology, but like it just seems like I don't know if the timing is like great. Yeah. Trying to like control a narrative, but favorite favorite death. But you know, they they have a lot to learn from from honor. They do about controlling the narrative and rehabbing Mat: Yeah, absolutely. yeah, of course. yeah, him and him and to me. Yeah. Alright. Like control a narrative, but Favorite. Favorite dad talks. John: It's a hundred percent calculated. The two of them are so and like I feel like that comes out of like the texting behind the scenes and trying to like control a narrative but favorite that but you know th they have a lot to learn from from Whitney and Connor about controlling the narrative and Mat: Ha ha ha. John: Rehabbing their image. No, I'm j I'm joking. Which is like bullshit that now they're all doing that. It's like Yes. I mean you could see like Zack this season. And now you're all trying to hide shit behind closed doors, but Whitney was the first one to try to do that, and you're all like, She's not being at it, and she lied, and blah blah blah blah. This is like how the drama of their marriage had nothing to do with Michelle Harris: Which is Which is like bullshit that now they're all doing that. It's like you gave Whitney you we gave Whitney so much shit for leaving to fix her marriage Mat: Yes you gave Whitney like Whitney so much shit for leaving to fix her marriage and now you're all trying to hide shit behind closed doors, but Whitney was the first one to try to do that and you're all like, She's not being at it and she and I took Yeah. Michelle Harris: And now you're all trying to hide shit behind closed doors, but Whitney was the first one to try to do that and you're all like she's not being honest and she lied and blah blah blah blah blah And meanwhile the drama of their marriage had nothing to do with anyone else had nothing to do with anyone else. Meanwhile all their dramas have to do with one another. This is like John: had nothing to do with anyone else. Meanwhile all their dramas have to do with one another. This is like Mat: had nothing to do with anyone else. Meanwhile, all their dramas have to do with one another. like the swinging John: everyone on The Bachelor being like, They're not here for the right reasons. Alright, who's your favorite dad talk? Mat: and the laughter being like, they're not here for the right reasons. Alright, who's your favorite dad talk guy? Michelle Harris: Yeah. Do have one. Who's your who who's like the the my my least not favorite? Yes. John: I don't know. The my my least not favorite? Yes. Mat: Who's your who who's like the somewhat at least naffice? Yes. John: God, probably Jacob, because I feel like he I feel like he really hasn't like done much that's shitty. I know, I know Michelle I know you. Sorry I'll keep it to my Are you okay? Well like maybe like Michelle Harris: Jacob 'cause I feel like he I feel like he really hasn't like Michelle's not done much that's shitty. I know, I know Michelle I know you. Sorry, I'm I'll keep it to myself, but I don't agree. I don't agree. Maybe life. Mat: Michelle's not agreeing. John: Connor? I you know like it's not obviously it's not Jordan. Jordan's probably at the bottom. And Zach is at the bottom. So do you want to rank? You want me to rank? I'll rank them. Yeah, rank them. Dakota. Just because like I'm like more recent stuff, and he's just shitty. Yeah. God, actually, I don't Michelle Harris: I like I like Connor. Like it's not obviously it's not Jordan. Jordan's probably at the bottom. Jordan is at the bottom. So do you wanna rank you want me to rank like I'll rank Yeah, rank them. Rank them. Dakota. Just because like like Mat: it's not obviously it's not Jordan. Jordan's probably at the bottom. And Zack is at the bottom. So do you want to rank do you want me to rank like I'll I'll rank them. Yeah, rank them, rank them. Dakota. I'm like more recent stuff and he's just kind of shitty. Yeah. God actually I don't know John: know if Jordan's below Brett. For me, it goes Jordan than. Michelle Harris: For me it goes Jordan and then Brett. Mat: Okay. Dakota, Michelle Harris: Okay. Dakota, Jordan, Brett. And then Dakota, Jordan, Brett? Yeah. Okay. And then I'd probably say Zach. Zach. Yeah. And then Mat: Jordan, Brett. Dakota, Jordan, Brett? Yeah. Okay. And then I'd probably say Zack. Zach, yeah. John: And then go to Jordan, Brett. Yeah. Okay. And then I'd probably say Zach. Zach. Yeah. And then I I don't know if Jace has really like done anything Yeah, I'd probably say Jace Connor Jacob. So mine would go Dakota. Michelle Harris: I'd probably say Jace, Connor, Jacob. So mine would go Dakota, Jordan, Brett, Zach, Jacob, Jace, Connor. Okay. So we're like pretty much pretty close. Pretty close. The top three are skewed. Yeah. But yeah. I think you're just a big Macy fan. I'm not a big Macy fan, I just think that John: Zach, Jacob, Jace, Connor. Okay, so we're like pretty much You guys are pretty close. Pretty close. The top three are yeah skewed. Yeah. I think you're just a big Macy fan. I'm not a big Macy fan, I just think that Mat: Zach, Jacob, Jace, Connor. Okay. So we're like pretty much You guys are pretty close, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you just make Macy. Michelle Harris: I th I twofold. She is very strong in her opinion, so I do agree that there needs to be pushback to that. Whereas she's like she's so anti Dakota. Which but he's not. But he's not. That's the point, is like he's not. So that's what's the f that's the flag for me is that they all get together and then she's like John: I th I twofold. She's very strong in her opinion, so I do agree that there needs to be pushback to that. Whereas she's like she's so anti Dakota. Who's not? But he's And she's justified. Right. But he's not. That's the point, is like he's not. That's the flag for me is that they all get together and then she's like he Mat: I th I twofold. She is very strong in her opinion, so I do agree that there needs to be pushback to that. Whereas she's like she's so anti Dakota Who's not? Which but he's justified. Right. But he's not. Yeah. Yeah. The thing yeah, all the the husbands all get together, the boy Yeah, it's all they all get together and then she's like he is Michelle Harris: He is a toxic person to Taylor. I am sure she is telling him stuff behind the scenes of like what he has done to her and like all this stuff. And she is so like, I've been in an abusive relationship. I recognize abusive relationships. I'm so protective. I'm so protective over Taylor. If your wife came from a very abusive relationship and had that mentality, and then you're sitting there saying John: Is a toxic person to Taylor. I am sure she is telling him stuff behind the scenes of like what he has done to her and like all this stuff. Mat: She is telling him stuff behind the scenes of like what he has done. Yeah, yeah. And she is so like, I've been in an abusive relationship, I recognize abusive relationships. you can see it a mile away with that guy. John: And she is so like I've been in an abusive relationship, I recognize abusive relationships, I'm so I'm so protective over Taylor. If your wife came from a very abusive relationship and had that mentality and then you're sitting there saying, You're so anti Dakota and he's part of the group and all this stuff, no, I don't like you. I don't like you. I'm sorry. Like I and that's where that was the line for me and like I was like, you know Michelle Harris: You're so anti Dakota and he's part of the group and all this stuff. No, I don't like you. I don't like you. I don't like you. I'm sorry. Like I and that's where that was the line for me and like I was like, you know, Mat: You're so anti Dakota and he's part of the group and all this stuff. No, I don't like you. I don't like I'm part like I and that's where that was the line for me and like I don't and I feel like every conversation that Nancy was trying have with him, e even the Jordan one he finally was like, well he didn't say that Yeah, no shit, he didn't say that because he wants himself to appear good and meanwhile Michelle Harris: and I feel like every conversation that Macy was trying to have with him John: That Macy was trying to have with him, in even the Jordan one, he finally was like, well, he didn't say that. Yeah, no shit, he didn't say that because he wants himself to appear good and he wants himself to meanwhile, Michelle Harris: Ean even the Jordan one he finally was like, well he didn't say that Yeah, no shit he didn't say that because he wants himself to appear good and he wants himself to meanwhile Jesse is making herself look like she's painting herself in a terrible light and admitting to all these things and trying to be so open and honest and then you have Jordan to a fault. Yeah. And then you have Jordan over there being like, I just wanted to be loved. I'm so emasculated. John: Jessie is making herself look like she's painting herself in a terrible light and admitting to all these things and trying to be so open and honest and then Jordan to a fault. Yeah. Mat: Jessie is making herself look like she's painting herself in a terrible light and admitting to all these things and trying to be so open and honest and then you have Jordan to a fault. Yeah. I'm so emasculated. Yeah, like it looks like John: so emasculated. Michelle Harris: Yeah, like and it's like no dude, like you did your own shit, so it's like own it and then you have someone who's just believing his friend. John: man, your own shit. So it's like own it and then you have someone who's just I'm sorry, but you don't you Mat: Someone who's just believing that you've done John: don't own it in the middle of a party with your husband who you're trying to patch things up right two feet behind you. And I I do agree that there's a I think at at that point at that point I was like they're not like she's not into him. But yes they're not kinda to a fault and it was Mat: Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. Michelle Harris: No, and I I do agree that there was and a lot of it's probably for the camera. At that point I was like they're that was like she's not they're not gonna work it out. But yes to a fault and it was Mat: Like she's not gonna work now. But yeah, yeah. Nah. Two of fault and it was Michelle Harris: it was that situation was very uncomfortable where she was reading the text messages, he's behind her. Yes, I I fully admit that that was weird and awkward and not the right place or time. But John: it was that situation was very uncomfortable where she was reading the text messages. He's behind her. Yes, I I fully admit that that was weird and awkward and not the right place or time. But Mat: in what that situation was very uncomfortable where she was reading the text messages he's behind her. It's fine. Michelle Harris: At the same time, he's like he's not admitting to anything on his end. And Taylor's saying, he's he's taken accountability. No, he called everyone to his house to explain his side of the story, and then I didn't hear anything from his side of the story saying I was emotionally abusive to my wife and I did this. And all of them are sitting there being like, I don't even know what I I was I left more confused out of that conversation, and then Taylor's like John: I don't think he's not admitting to anything on his end. Yeah. Taylor's saying, he's he's taken accountability Mat: Yeah. Taylor saying, he's he has taken accountability. No, he called everyone to his house to explain his side of the story and then I didn't hear anything from his side of the story saying I was emotionally abusive to my wife and I did this. And all of them are sitting there being like, I don't even know what I I was I was more confused out of that conversation and then Taylor's like, John: No, he called everyone to his house to explain his side of the story and then I didn't hear anything from his side of the story saying I was emotionally abusive to my wife and I did this. And all of them are sitting there being like, I don't even know what I It was it was weird. It was weird out of that conversation. Mat: you know, he took accountability and I see changes in him. No, you just wish that's what Dakota would do. Yeah. Michelle Harris: You know, he took accountability and I see changes in him. No, you just wish that's what Dakota would do. Yeah. John: He took accountability and I see changes in him. No, you just wish that's what Dakota would do. Yeah. Michelle Harris: So leave your relationship out of her relationship because it's two different things going on right now. But Jordan does seem like the one who's like most trying to make debt. John: leave your relationship out of her relationship because it's two different things going on. Yeah. Jordan Jordan does seem like the the one who's like most trying to make dad Mat: So leave your relationship out of her relationship. Yeah. Two different things going on. Yeah. Jor Jordan does seem like the the one who's like most trying to make dad talk a thing. absolutely. He wears a dad talk hat when he's getting to g back together. When he went over to Jesse's house, and I will call it Jesse's house because she pays for it. yeah. When he goes over to Jesse's house to see if they're gonna get back together after the ninety day separation, he shows up in a dad talk hat. I mean he's literally wearing a a John: talk a thing. Michelle Harris: absolutely. He wears a dad talk hat when he's getting to g back together. When he went over to Jesse's house, and I will call it Jesse's house because she pays for it. yeah. When he goes over to Jesse's house to see if they're gonna get back together after the ninety day separation, he shows up in a dad talk hat. He's literally wearing a a John: He wears a dad talk hat when he's getting to g back together. When he went over to Jesse's house, and I will call it Jesse's house because she pays for it. yeah. When he goes over to Jesse's house to see if they're gonna get back together after the ninety day separation, he shows up in a dag talk hat. I mean he's literally wearing a a Michelle Harris: a trucker hat that has dad talk and big letters written across of it. Yeah, I mean that's always promote. John: a trunker hat that has dad talk and big letters written across of it. Mat: Yeah, I mean that's always promote. John: Yeah, I mean that's always promote. Mat: Yeah, I mean you John: Yeah, I mean No, it's not even thinking. Also you're taking away from what women have built. It's all about the brand, it's all about getting followers, you know. They the riding on the coattails. Yeah, you gotta take that Michelle Harris: Yeah, I mean, No, it's not even thing also you're taking away from what women have built. It's on the You took you took what you took what your wife's built. You took the riding coattail. You you literally took what Mat: It's all about the brand, it's all about getting the followers, you know. The the riding on the coat tail. yeah, you gotta take that. Michelle Harris: your wives built and now you want to make your own thing of it and like, we're dad talk, we're great and it's like your wives made you famous. Can we can we acknowledge that you Mat: Chasing that money. Let's go. Why not? John: Yeah, let's go. Michelle Harris: got here because of your wives? No, none of them fucking can. John: No, he wants to be a man. Except for Connor, which is why he's my I'd be dad talking the shit out of it too. Except for Connor, Connor. Connor's the only one that's like, My wife got me here, I will be a stay at home dad. Mat: I mean I'd honor except I mean I mean I'd be dad talking the shit out of it too, like and they're like trying to make TikToks and shit and they don't even know how to fucking do it and like let's go. My wife got me here, I will be a stay at home dad. She is fucking killing Michelle Harris: Except for Connor. Except for Connor, which is why he's my favorite. Except for Connor. Connor's the only one that's like tax and shit. Connor's the only one that's like, My wife got me here, I will be a stay at home dad. She is fucking killing it. I love it and all of the rest of them have issues with saying that. I wouldn't Maybe not Jason Jacob, but John: She is fucking killing it. I love it. I wouldn't change the Yeah, man, I'm love. I'm loving this. Zach in season four, I know this for a fact, but he had an issue with Jen being on dancing on the stars and four. And he felt like he was Mat: it. Yeah, I mean I would have the rest of them have issues with staying at home. I would I mean yeah, th they are you know, they're chasing the fame, they're chasing the money, but I thought of him Michelle Harris: No, Zack in season four, I know this for a fact, had an issue with Jen being on Dancing with the Stars. And he felt like he was getting lost Mat: Well, let's not let's not get too far ahead of ourselves now. John: getting lost. Mat: Because he became a stay dad, his medical career got yeah, he was the one that was they were New York, Arizona, here and there. Yeah. Man, Michelle Harris: because he became a stay at home dad, his medical career got yeah, he was one that was they were so because he's not the man of the house, he's struggling. John: Because he became a stay at home dad, his medical career got Yeah. yeah, he was the one that was they were so because he's not the man of the house, yeah. He's struggling. Mat: All right. So I think that's enough season three, Secret Lives. I did bring up Let's Marry Harry, which we are doing on Tuesdays. We did episodes one and two. John: So I think that's enough season three Secret Lives. I did bring up Let's Marry Harry, which we are doing on Tuesdays. We did episodes one and two. And Mat: And I know did you have you watched all of it? I or have you just watched I know I have not sat through all of it. Okay. You don't like Harry. No. You hate Harry. we did one and two and then we're gonna do three and four next Tuesday, or I mean it's gonna be this is gonna be weeks ago now, but We're talking John: I know did you have you watched all of it? I have you just watched I think I know I have not sat through all of it. I cannot sit through all of it. No, not at all. Michelle Harris: I cannot sit through one. You don't like Harry. No. So we did one and two, and then we're gonna do three and four next Tuesday, or I mean it's gonna be this is gonna be weeks ago now. We're talking John: One and two and then Tuesday or I mean it's gonna be this is gonna be weeks ago now, but we're talking a lot of timelines and we just can't. No, no. I'm trying to keep up with like the Secret Lives of More and Wives timelines, like Yeah, this is messier this is messier than Jesse, you know. Michelle Harris: a lot of timelines and we just can't. No, no, I'm I'm trying to keep Mat: No, no, I'm I'm trying to keep up with like the secret lives of more and wives timelines. Like you don't know, I gotta keep everybody on their toes, like Michelle Harris: We're recording this before episode three and four recap will drop. Yeah. Mat: Yeah, but like I gotta keep everybody on their toes. So yeah, anyway, well we can talk about it. I mean I just I just for a couple of minutes and then we'll wrap this up and we'll we'll we'll call it a day. I think the season three I think we had a good recap there. We we got a lot of I mean it's all all over the place. But I just wanted to just pick your brain a little bit on the let's marry Harry. I know we were talking about a little bit earlier at the bar. John: We had a good recap there. We we got a little It was a little bit all over the place, yeah. We got it. All over the place. But I just wanted to just pick your brain a little bit on the Let's Marry Harry. I know we were talking about a little bit earlier at the bar. Michelle Harris: Yeah. We I mean it always is all over the place. But I just wanted that it just picked your brain a little bit on John: Yeah. And you're not a Harry fan. I think I think he is like the the epitome of everything that's wrong with modern reality T V. And where like where I feel like Mat: And l you're not a Harry fan. Michelle Harris: I think I think he is like the the epitome of everything that's wrong with modern reality TV. And where like where I feel like Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: secret lives are more than one. John: Secret lives of Mormon Mat: Yeah. John: Wives, right? The magic of like the first two seasons. Yeah. And and most reality TV in general. Yeah. Of like when it first comes out, it's like people Mat: Yeah. And and most reality TV in general. Yeah. Of like when it first comes out, it's like people Michelle Harris: Yeah. And and most reality TV in general. Yeah. Of like when it first comes out, it's like people John: who are not famous, you know, and they're the drama in their lives. Yeah. And he is just he's been on a couple shows. He's just like the poster child for like Mat: Yeah. And he is just he's been on a couple shows. He's just like the poster child Michelle Harris: Yeah. And he is just he's been on a couple shows. He's just like the poster child for like being a fuckboy. Yeah. And so you don't think he's here to actually get married. No, absolutely. He is here to be on TV. To be on TV to Which like everyone on that show. John: being a fuck boy. Yeah. And so you don't think he's here to actually get married. No, absolutely. He is here to be on T V. To be on TV. Which like everyone on that show Mat: Yeah. And so you don't think he's here to actually get married. No, absolutely. He is here to be on TV. To be on TV to which like to hook up with all these women. Yeah, yeah. I mean for the most part it seems that way. you had John: is to be on TV. Yeah, yeah. I mean for the most part it seems that way. you have the Michelle Harris: To be on TV. Yeah, yeah. I for the most part it seems that way. Yeah. you had the one girl, I forget which one she's in. Maya Mat: the one girl I forget which one, she's like Michelle Harris: A. Maya A. There's a Maya A, A Maya B. There's a Maya C, there's a Maya D. Stop. This whole fucking thing here. Maya Z. Yeah, it goes all the way. There's twenty six Maya, eight Mat: Maya A there's a Maya A, there's a Maya B, there's a Maya C, there's a Maya D. Like this whole fucking thing here. Yeah, it goes all the way. There's twenty six Mayas, A through John: There's a mile. There's a Maya C, there's a Maya D. Stop. A Maya Z. Yeah, it goes all the way. There's twenty six Mayas, A through Mat: Z. Yeah, she's just there to be on the cameras. But and I know it's already ended. I don't know if you know who he marries, but it's it's it's Rikaya. because John: Z. if I scare to be on the cameras. But and I know it's already ended. I don't know if you know who he married. I I do. And before then I would have put so much money on Michelle Harris: Yeah, she's just there to be on the cameras. But and I know it's already ended. Before that I John: just not him like he Mat: actually marrying anybody. Yeah, like I we're saying with them. Well so he married Rakaya because John: Yeah, like I when the show was announced I could have told you how it ended. Well, so he married Rakya because Michelle Harris: Yeah, like I if the show was I could have told you how it ended. Well so married Rakaya because No This is his prediction. This is his prediction. Well Chat GBT said it. There's soulmates. Don't ruin don't ruin the magic. Don't ruin the magic. No, th he does. He does end up with Rakaya. John: he married Rakaya. He he thinks Rakya's number one. Well Chat GBT said it. They're soulmates. Don't ruin don't ruin the magic. Don't ruin the he does. He Mat: Well, Chat GBT said it. And sh their soulmates Yeah. Don't fuck this up for John: does end up. Okay, okay. Mat: me, all right, John? Yeah, Michelle Harris: No, he ends he ends up with Rachel. It's fine, yeah, yeah. I like six kids. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Alright, anyway John: Yeah, absolutely. They're happy married. They have like six kids. Yep. Yeah. Yep. All right. Anyway, Mat: absolutely. They're happily married. They have like six kids now. Yeah. All right. Anyway, John, it was a pleasure having you on. You can come back anytime. even if it was John: John, it was a pleasure having you on. Thanks for having me. Mat: just for a single episode, like I know you're super into it. You've watched it. John: With Harry, Harry and Mary? let's let's let's Mary Mary let's Harry Wing. No, no, Secret Lives if you wanna come back. Michelle Harris: No anything. Yeah, let's marry Harry. Mat: let's let's Harry Mary. Let's Marry Harry. No, no, secret lives if you wanna come back. John: for season five, yeah. You guys are gonna catch up soon. We're trying to, but they're gonna drop five. They're gonna drop five September tenth. Yeah. So and it's only five episodes. So we're gonna be done seven. We're hoping to be done five by the four and five by the time six comes out. Michelle Harris: Season four, season five. Mat: Just even if it's just one episode. You are gonna catch up soon. We're trying to, but they're gonna drop five. Yeah. So Michelle Harris: They're gonna drop five September tenth. So and it's only five episodes. So we're gonna be done season four and five by the end of the year. Mat: We're hoping to be done four and five by the time six comes out, so Michelle Harris: Yeah. So we'll see. Do you think they'll get there? I think so. I think it's gonna come out in November. I mean they they spent John: Do you think they'll they'll ever release Taylor's Bachelorette season after November? And like Mat: We'll see. You ha they have to. I mean they they spend John: Taylor's not the problem. She's part of the problem. She's part of the problem. She's part of the problem. They're all parts of the problem. Everybody's parts of the But I don't think I don't think it's all Mat: so much money on it and like Taylor's not the problem. Dakota, she's part of the problem. But it's everybody's part of the problem. Michelle Harris: She's part of the problem. She's part of the problem. But I don't think I don't think it's all on her. Like it's it's it's it's sticky. Yeah, it's a sticky situation where it's like even the judge when you like watch her court cases 'cause it was all filmed and he was like, This comes down to Taylor, you can't control yourself. But Dakota, you prompt her. And even when she's asking you not to come or not Mat: Yeah, I don't think like you can't hold that back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. John: Yeah, it's a sticky situation where it's like even the judge when you like watch her court cases 'cause it was all filmed, and he was like, This comes down to Taylor, you can't control yourself, but Dakota, you prompt her. And even when she's asking you not to come or not Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: to show up, you show up. John: show up Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: And you dig dig dig dig dig and then this is the result you get. So it's him like instigating and like manipulative. No, and it's like and you know, it's it's just sad. It's an overall sad situation for everyone. So I think they I mean they expense spoiler alert John: and you dig dig dig dig dig and then this is the result you get. So it's him like it's just manipulative. Yeah. Manipulative person at all. No, and it's like and you know it's it's just sad. It's an overall sad situation. I think it's gonna come out eventually. So I think they I mean they spent Spoiler alert She's not married. She's not married. They spent a lot of time producing it and making like it's gotta come out eventually. I think so. Mat: So it's him like just manipulating Yeah, he's not a good person at all. And it's like and you know, it's it's just sad. It's an overall sad Yeah, I think I think it's gonna come out eventually. So I think they I mean they spent all that money producing it. She's not married. They spent all that time producing it and making like it's gotta come out eventually. I think so. Michelle Harris: They spent a lot of time producing it making like it's gotta come out eventually. I think so. Is she in the most recent season of the John: Is she in the most recent season of the Mat: It has to season the Michelle Harris: Yes of Mormon Secret lives of Mormon Wives. She's in season five. I don't know if she's in season six. John: of Mormon Wives? Secret lives of Mormon Wives? She's in season five. I don't know if she's in season six. Michelle Harris: I the only people the only people I saw filming and that confirmed it were Macy Michaela and then Chase was in it. Mat: Nobody nobody knows about season six. Yeah, that's it's just gonna be three people. This one started out like four. Well yeah, I mean you did like Whitney came back, to me came back. Do we know that for sure? Not come back? Not not come back. Not not come back. The only one is three and four. John: it's just gonna be three people. This one started out with like four. Well yeah, I mean you did like Whitney came back. Michelle Harris: I well this one started out like we know we know Whitney is not Whitney is not coming back for season six. So season Yeah, season f season five is Is there a season has John: But she already know that. Is there a season five is there a season when she has like not not come back? Not not come back. Not not come back. The only one is three and four. Michelle Harris: Not not come back. The only one is three and four. So at the end of three she's still there. She films for four. But at the and she comes back three, not coming back. Right. So at the end of one she doesn't come back. At the end of two, she doesn't John: So at the end of three she's still there. She films four. But at the beginning of three she's not coming back. So at the end of one she doesn't come back, at the end of two she doesn't Mat: So at the end of three she's still there. She's only four. But at the beginning of three she's not Michelle Harris: come back. She comes back at three and four. And then she had officially announced on her Broadway stage that Whitney Lovett is leaving Secret Lise and Morgan Wise. I think she just like she's grown out of it. She's like I'm John: And then she had officially announced on her Broadway stage that Whitney Lava is leaving Secret Lives More. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll watch all the seasons and the episodes. I think she just like she's grown out of it. She's like I've She's got enough Mat: And then she had officially announced her Broadway stage that is leaving Secret Lives Two. Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. I'll watch all the seasons and the episodes. I think she just like she's grown out John: viewers now. Yeah, she's moved on. Anyway, that's fine. Good for her. Good. Yeah. John, we appreciate you having you here. Thank you for having me. You're welcome back, even if it's just a single episode, like recap, if you're around have you back. Mat: of it. Yeah. Yeah, she's moved on. Anyway, that's fine. Whatever. Good for her. John, we appreciate you having you here. You're welcome back, even if it's just a single episode, like recap. If you're around we'll have you back. Michelle Harris: Good for her. Yeah. Yeah. Mat: We'd love to have you here. Or for a Let's Marry Harry or whatever else. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on after Secret Lives of More and Wives out, honestly, like, you know, season five, season six, whatever. It's gonna stop eventually. We're gonna move on to something else. We're gonna move on to something else. I don't know. And if you watch it, you know, you're you're more than welcome to join us. Or John: We're gonna move on after Secret Lives and War and Lives Out. Honestly, like, you know season five, season six, whatever. It's gonna stop eventually. We're gonna move on to something. Love is blind. We're gonna move on to something else. I don't know. And if you watch it, you're more than welcome to Dancing with the Stars or Michelle Harris: Yeah. Honestly, like, you know season five, season six, whatever. It's gonna eventually. We're gonna on to something. Love is blind. We're gonna move on to something else. I don't know. And if you watch it The Million Dollar Nanny, you're more than welcome to Dancing with the Stars. Or Mat: Or we could do like Michelle Harris: or we could do like Mat: like remotely, you and Julia together, like since she's into all of it too, we'd love to have her Michelle Harris: Together. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mat: get her takes on some of this stuff. So yeah, no, this was a lot of fun. We're glad you came up and glad to have you here. Thanks for having Yeah, we appreciate it. if you don't follow us on Instagram, go ahead and follow us on Instagram. I keep saying this every week. And you're not following us John: Yeah, no, this was a lot of fun. We're glad you came up and we're glad to have you here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, we appreciate it. If you don't follow us on Instagram, go ahead and follow us on Instagram. Keep saying this every week. And you're not following us. Michelle Harris: Yeah, no, this was a lot of fun. We're glad you came up. If you don't follow us on Instagram, go ahead and follow us on Instagram. Keep saying this every week. And you don't do it. Mat: at reality hits mat. It's reality hits A T just one T at. Same on TikTok. You're not following us there either. Appreciate if you would. John: At reality hits Matt, it's Reality Hits A T just one T Matt. Same on TikTok, you're not following us there either. Appreciate if you would. You know, Michelle Harris: T just one TM Matt. Same on TikTok, there either. Appreciate if you would. You know, I'm just really upset that none of our viewers support us within twenty four hours of listening to this podcast. John: I'm just really upset that none of our viewers support us with a point of listening to the spot. Let's not guilt them and yeah, I Mat: Let's let let's not guilt them in but yeah, I mean if you guys could just follow us there and then like, subscribe, rate, review, comment, John: mean if you guys could just follow us there and then like, subscribe, rate, review, comment. Mat: all that bullshit you can do and all the podcasts, YouTube, wherever the fuck you're listening or watching this shit. I know you like John: All that bullshit you can do and all the podcasts, YouTube, wherever the fuck you're listening or watching. Yeah, I I know you've liked it and you've texted me, but if you haven't commented on it, are you a are you a true friend? I don't know about that. Mat: You know, like texting me, but if you haven't commented on it Yeah, yeah. Are you even a friend if you subscribe and don't Michelle Harris: You haven't commented on it. Are you really a friend if you Mat: even comment on my videos? Michelle Harris: have not commented? Mat: Shout out to Tom. Thank you for commenting on all of our YouTube videos. We love you, Tom. We gotta have you on. not a big not Michelle Harris: On on all of our videos. What a true friend. Love you, Tom. We gotta have you on. Thanks for the compliment, Waitan. 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