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Phoolan Devi, The Bandit Queen & America’s Favorite Demonologists Part 1 · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Everybody and serial killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian
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  winner. And this is when Killers got
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  caught, a podcast devoted to deep dives, into the lives, and
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  psyches of the Killer's. We love.
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  To learn about each week. We'll discuss something new and
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  interesting in the serial killer world and then we'll discuss
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  one. Well-known or lesser known
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  killer go deep into their childhood lives methodology.
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  And most importantly how they got caught.
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  And then because most of your killer fans, love a little
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  spook, Brian will lead us down the road of the Paranormal, and
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  to something that he found to be particularly creepy this week.
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  But before we get into that, now, we were supposed to watch
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  the Mormon murder documentary this week on Netflix, but we You
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  watch two episodes. Two out of three is not bad.
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  We watched an episode and a half.
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  Okay, well I watched two episodes.
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  I did not watch the other half of the episode because there's a
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  man on this documentary who has, I would a soft pillowy voice?
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  And I go to sleep every time he starts talking, I'm sure like
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  I'm sure there's something wrong with his throat.
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  It has to be something like he just has a really soft delicate.
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  It's really nice. Voice is not bad.
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  No, it's just if I'm already tired and he starts talking.
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  I'm like, that sounds good. Then I'm out.
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  It's like Wilson the marketplace.
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  Liar or you oh my God. So because when I watch it
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  during the daytime I was like oh this is super interesting.
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  So we're going to try and finish it by next week and then we can
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  give you our opinion on the fact that The Mormon religion is a
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  trap. It is a real true.
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  I already told you this. I didn't even know.
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  It was it called until about a month ago and still you were
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  like, it is definitely a cult Brittany.
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  I'm like, no, this is just like spicy Christianity, you really
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  know. It's more like, okay, it's
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  Mormonism. Is kind of like Scientology,
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  yes. Which I do not like I totally
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  pulled it up while we were on the phone and it was like, was
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  visited by an alien who gave Mm. He's okay.
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  First of all, he's an angel whose name is Moroni.
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  Sorry. Visited by an Angel who we need.
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  We wait, no. It was an angel is always
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  elevator, hold on. Alright, that's, that's what
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  caused all the bombings that someone insinuated that it was
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  actually not an angel was a white salamander and that made
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  people really upset and then like four people got blown up.
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  So, when it was first, I think three people got blown up and
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  then there was a potential for a fourth bomb to go.
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  There was another one I was going to go.
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  Go off. But the third one you gotta
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  watch the second one because it explains everything basis for
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  the bombs. All right then.
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  Did you know? You just gotta look, you gotta
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  watch it. I will, I will just not in the
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  MIT like not late night, can't do it.
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  Okay, I'll fall right asleep. So instead, I guess the topical
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  thing, we're going to discuss this week is the Kendrick
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  Johnson case that has been reopened.
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  Yes. And for people who don't know,
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  Kendrick Johnson was a teenager who was found dead inside of a
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  vertically rolled up. Matt in the gymnasium of his
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  high school in Valdosta Georgia, in 2013.
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  A preliminary investigation autopsy concluded.
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  That it was an accidental death and people said that he had
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  crawled into the mat to seek, I guess the the a lot of the boys
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  like to hide their stuff there and because of going to their
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  lockers, yeah, a lot of kids like to put their shoes or
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  backpacks and stuff into these, because this was his second Gym,
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  not the main gym where they did like gym class and stuff.
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  Yeah, and they would store their stuff there because it was
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  closer to their class. Asses than their actual lockers
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  exactly. Also I guess the boys also
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  shared shoes sometimes so they would like share like an
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  expensive pair of shoes and they would drop the basketball shoes
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  off at the gym and then put their regular shoes back on and
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  go back to class. Yeah, I didn't know anything.
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  Listen shoes are like 500 of these.
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  The Fancy Shoes are like five hundred dollars.
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  So I understand like I guess like I didn't have any friends
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  so I didn't have friends this year.
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  She's right. But regardless.
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  After this happened, it was a big thing.
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  A lot of people were like, how is this possible?
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  I used the same kind of math that they use at my job.
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  We use it. When we do gymnastics class with
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  the kids, right? And we're trying to figure out
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  like how like 170-pound 17 year old boy fit in that with no one
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  being able to see him and he was there for days which also, you
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  know, I mean the parents bought a wrongful death suit against
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  Against 38, different people who worked at the school and the the
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  community for a hundred million dollars.
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  They originally said, like this is definitely murder and y'all
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  are pushing it under the rug. Yeah, I believe there is.
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  There are two students at the school who have family members
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  who work for the feds and there was a belief that perhaps those
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  boys had something to do with this and I gotta cover it up and
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  that was covered up because they have Both parents in higher
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  level law enforcement but regardless it's being looked
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  into again because I mean we thought we heard the last of it
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  in 2016 when the Department of Justice said we're not looking
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  into this as accidental death. Yeah, they said was an accident.
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  We're not looking into this. I'm uses eight years ago.
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  Do you remember? I don't remember how long ago,
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  it was like a few years ago, so there's this black woman.
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  She was at a flight or friend's party sleepover, and, you know,
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  everybody's drinking and stuff in Chicago.
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  I think it was, I think so she wandered off while she was drunk
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  and she ended up in a freezer somehow locked inside of it.
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  No, no, not that one. Oh, that one was weird.
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  They were shoes that like a hotel party and she went off
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  with somebody who we don't know who they are based.
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  On the cameras and then like her mom called the police.
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  They were like, oh, she hasn't been missing long enough and
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  days later, they were able to discover that she was on a floor
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  where they were doing construction in a freezer and
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  I'm like, this is so suspicious and worse is that I think has
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  happened in Chicago a couple years ago.
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  Definitely in the past decade, this is another one of those
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  weird. The one I'm talking about it.
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  I think happened either in Florida or Texas.
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  Okay? She was out of like a friend's
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  party, you know, she's a co-worker of his friend and she
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  goes over to this, like birthday party or something like that.
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  And I forget the name. Oh, I forget her name.
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  I apologize. But, you know, she spends the
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  night because, you know, they've been drinking and stuff.
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  Right. Next morning, everybody now's
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  finds her out dead and alone, alone, other condo, or whatever
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  was it cold? Or she was just that she was
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  dead. Oh wow, yeah.
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  So you haven't heard that one. No, I don't remember that one.
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  Oh goodness. And they said that was probably
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  excellent it because she probably fell off the balcony
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  from the it beep. Really obvious.
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  If she had fallen off of the balcony.
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  Yeah absolutely. They had sustained several
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  broken bones. I am lit.
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  Look at your mark. I think she didn't there weren't
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  a lot and that's what made it like, very confused.
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  Yeah. And I got to look it up and see
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  who the heck this my goodness. Well yeah, apparently.
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  The, the, the newer County Sheriff says that the death
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  initially ruled an accident should be investigated again.
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  This is me, his parents have never given up.
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  I wouldn't of course, who would the yeah, I mean, they
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  Accidental like positional asphyxia is, yeah, a horrible
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  way to go. Yeah.
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  And I just, I guess I don't even understand.
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  Like, the way I like, how were they storing their shoes inside
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  of the bats? That doesn't even make any
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  logical sense to me? It's like that I would have
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  hidden them behind the mats. You know what I mean?
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  Hmm. And an autopsy conducted by an
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  external pathologist. That his family ordered said
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  that. He did also experience some
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  blunt force trauma to his head, which is another thing that they
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  believe was Made it more suspicious like that.
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  Somebody hit him and then somehow he ended up upside down
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  and the thing I mean, that could be a thing.
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  I mean that's like one. I mean, someone could have just,
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  you know, kill them outright and then just stuff them in there
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  because, but apparently, this is an uphill battle for this
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  Sheriff because apparently his office has received 17 boxes of
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  written and electronic evidence from the federal probe 1717.
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  So he is a lot of stuff to go through.
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  Interviewing over 100 people, tens of Of emails and text
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  messages between the young people reviewing, hundreds of
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  hours of surveillance videos from the high school.
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  All this between January, 10th to the 11th. 2013, he has a lot.
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  His name is Paul. Yeah, a lot of times when there
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  is pressure on a police department to get an answer, I
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  worry that they are just picking the first answer the easiest
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  answer instead of you know, it's not like TV.
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  Yeah and TV. It's like we can spend all this
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  time focusing on this one case. I mean here, it's June 2013.
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  Mmm, the whole world is aware of what happened here.
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  And the pressure is on them to figure out what happened.
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  Figure it out quickly and close this case.
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  So that everybody in the world is not looking at Valdosta
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  Georgia and shaking their head at us.
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  That's funny. Okay, so I did find the name of
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  the woman and so it was too as an 18-0 guy happen.
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  Wow. And guess what it was in
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  Georgia. Oh wow yeah so Tim Le horse for
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  it. Yeah that sounds familiar.
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  Okay yes she was attending a friend's Adult sleepover
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  birthday party or something like that and they found her dead in
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  the backyard. I will admit.
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  So we used to have what we called, adult sleepovers in
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  college, and it was also because we have been drinking well and
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  here, but here's what we would do, right?
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  Okay. So it was our, our major plan,
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  we would go and we would pregame at like a restaurant that had
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  like a good deal on booth and we'll come back and we would do
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  our our makeup and that was a whole ordeal and I would do.
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  Everybody else's may come from and then we go back out and then
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  we'd come back and we'd end up like laying on somebody's floor
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  and somebody's house, you just talking it like to have that
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  morning. So I mean this is not that crazy
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  when she went to she went to like a little you know little
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  girls slumber party. Yeah.
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  She's looking down side is that she died.
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  Yeah, she was only by person there to okay well I got
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  feelings about that. Isn't that weird that like we're
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  expected to be okay about that entering into an environment
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  where there's nobody like you. It's it's weird it's definitely
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  it does feel a little uncomfortable not gonna lie
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  because I feel like in any other situation like if you put like
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  just one random Caucasian person in a room with no one liked
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  them, they would feel very uncomfortable and real-world
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  everything. Dave, Chappelle I have seen a
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  vision that I just don't remember that one, but it is
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  when his kids They put one, you know, how he made a joke of
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  saying how they always put this one, black guy, and his house of
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  all these, like, six different, wow.
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  Yeah, I know you're talking about.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And you put one white guy in this house with some bunch of
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  white people. Let's see how that works out.
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  It didn't work out really well. I do remember that.
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  It's just like, I mean, to be honest really Yeah, but like any
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  time, I'm I'm out with my friends or, you know, hanging
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  out with people. I just subconsciously, I just
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  look around. I have to look around and make
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  sure like is there. Another person that looks like
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  me? Oh, absolutely.
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  Is there somebody here? Who hit my back somewhere?
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  Like it's just like a it's a thing.
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  I mean, what's also understands you know, we talked about a lot
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  of crimes where women are the victims.
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  Yeah. People are just look.
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  Yeah. You should do this thing or you
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  should do that thing and I'm like, do you understand the like
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  unconscious level of checking that I do all the time, like in
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  the last podcast? I mentioned to you that I if I
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  get off the elevator with somebody on my floors, I wait.
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  or there was one night, I dropped off like my trash at the
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  trash chute and there was another guy who like walked in
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  after me and after he like like he asked me like some really
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  awkward questions and I was just like I'm taken and he was just
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  like he kept asking questions and I was like nope that's it.
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  We're done here. And then like my brain went, you
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  know what I should do right now, I'm going to step into the The
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  stairwell. Hmm and so I instead of going
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  directly to my because you doing my instead of going directly to
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  my door, which is right there. Yeah, I dipped over to the
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  little hallway over there. Am I turned and went into the
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  stairwell and I waited and I was like, how long do I have to wait
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  here, to make sure that he is moved on because the last thing
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  I want is for him to know where I live.
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  Yeah, that shit. It's we already live on the same
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  floor. I don't want him to know exactly
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  what room I live in what apartment I live in.
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  And so that's what's, so that's things that people don't
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  recognize when they're a part of the dominant group.
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  Like, how much stuff you do to make sure you were in a good
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  place, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Just subconscious stuff.
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  You grow up. You learn to do.
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  Yeah, this is true. Yeah.
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  Like, it's very dark outside right now.
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  I don't even songs over though, that's true, but I don't walk
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  outside in the dark. This is yeah, we a burning look.
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  Okay, I'ma be honest again, when I'm walking from your apartment,
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  to my car, your little nervous, just a little bit on some of
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  those side streets, and I'm just like, let me where my keys at.
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  Let me find those real quick, but as we're to my fingers,
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  what? You need?
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  One of my your life. Yes.
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  Not right. Not not lying.
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  Listen, I wish sure Sheriff, poked all the good feelings in
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  the world. Good Vibes to you, sir.
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  You got a long investigation front of him and the thing is,
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  No One's Gonna Be Happy. Depending on the outcome of
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  this. Yeah.
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  Because if he finds out, it was murder, then a whole nation will
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  be enraged. If he does this whole huge
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  investigation and he finds it was an accidental death.
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  A whole nation of people will be upset with him.
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  I mean, it'll be the same outcome of the finance and
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  accidental death though, so yeah.
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  But is that they'll just have more closure and just I mean
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  it'll be still answers as to why.
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  But other than that it's not much you can do about it.
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  So in our quest to continue looking for more International
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  people, as I mentioned in our trailer that we recorded, I have
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  a huge Master list of every serial killer who has ever been
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  caught since roughly like 1900 across the entire world and
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  they're organized by country. And then there's a whole subset
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  of America because we have so many, but generally the rest of
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  them are organized by country. So it's just like, You know
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  what? I haven't looked at India ever.
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  So, I started like typing in names, and when I typed in This
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  Woman's name, I came across a book called The Bandit queen of
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  India. And Indian woman's amazing
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  journey from peasant to International Legend, awesome
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  title, right? And when you see a title like
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  that, you gotta buy it, no matter what the story is about,
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  you gotta buy it, can ignore it. And, you know, I expected to
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  find a woman who was a hero, but actually, she was kind of an
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  antihero, the Peugeot. And I'm not exactly bothered by
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  the fact that she killed over 20 men.
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  You will find out why as we journey into this tonight, okay?
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  Unlike my usual subject of serial killers, this woman
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  phoolan, Devi, qualifies more as like a spree, killer / Revenge
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  killer, and this is a woman who went from being born a peasant.
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  Went to becoming a bandit to a victim to a killer to an
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  activist and politician. I'm here for the Bandit - oh
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  yeah, I'm very excited to tell her story because I'm not sure
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  that shoe. Many people know about her and
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  just what a life that's a real Arc right there.
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  But like I do with every week, I talked about the beginnings of
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  these call them Infamous people you go not all amazing but
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  Infamous so philosophy was born August 10th 1963 in a small
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  village called gorica para and uttar Pradesh which is we would
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  look at it like States so different states in India.
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  She Is the fourth child of parents Debbie, DIN and Moolah.
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  She was born into the mall and cast, the molinar traditional,
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  Boatman and fishermen tribes, and communities, and north, and
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  east, and Northeast India as well as Pakistan for folks.
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  Who don't know. India has operated in a social
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  stratification system called a caste system.
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  Since about 1500 BC, it is one of the world's oldest forms of
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  social stratification and is based on people's work and their
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  Duty upper and lower castes specifically in the area that
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  I'm talking about today. Lived in segregated colonies,
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  where they didn't even share, water resources, and like many
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  social systems. Like this, it offers privileges
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  to the upper caste and sanctions and repression of the lower
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  caste by the more privileged groups.
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  Despite being criticized globally.
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  And also, within India for being an unjust system, it's remained
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  virtually unchanged trapping people into this fixed social
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  order where they can almost never escape and the cast that
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  flan was born into the Malin cast.
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  It's so low and down in the totem pole that the only people
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  like below her. I referred to as the
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  Untouchables. So they are seen as like kind of
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  the scum of the earth. Yeah, so she was not the lowest
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  but pretty far down there. She was close.
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  As a member of that lower caste. She was very very poor, her
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  family had one asset, a one acre Farm where the large old me.
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  Neem tree on it. It's a specific type of tree
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  only grown in India, called neem, and her father's plan was
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  to harvest the wood from that tree to be able to pay for a
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  dowry for his several daughters to marry off really, isn't that
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  like revver tree. It's not so much that people
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  need lumber. Okay.
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  And they're all broke. He had actually inherited 15
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  Acres from his parents when they died but his brothers Pretty
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  much stole it from him, one of fool ins cousins, his name was
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  Maya, didn't was a very well-connected man and aided in
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  that land thievery. Her uncle had been doing
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  everything the slowly take the land away from the family.
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  So when foulon was 10, she had had enough.
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  Of course, she demanded that her father fight for the land.
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  As it was the only thing that the family had, but her dad
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  didn't have much in the way of like socio, political capital,
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  and he was honestly weary after a years, long fight with his
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  family over. This property, her uncle had
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  taken it over, just through pure dishonesty and it had left
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  salons family and like, more poverty than other people in
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  their community. So full-on decides she's had
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  enough and she confronts her cousin might him.
• 23:52
  So she begins publicly calling him a thief and attacking him
• 23:57
  when she sees him, then she can fizzes convinces, her sister and
• 24:03
  some other girls from town to do.
• 24:05
  Sit in at the tree, the neem tree on their property and this
• 24:12
  is like it lasted for a significant period of time
• 24:14
  early. She's 10 years already 10 years
• 24:17
  old and she wouldn't leave when, even some of the Elders of the
• 24:22
  community tried to drag like the girls home.
• 24:25
  It only ended because Maya didn't showed up and he hit her
• 24:29
  with a brick well knocking her unconscious dude come on.
• 24:36
  Yeah, this is a weird blood Feud that's going to continue on for
• 24:40
  quite some time, my God. So, after that event, I might in
• 24:46
  kind of stops for a little bit at least publicly foulon, still
• 24:51
  hates his guts and refers to him as the thief, whatever she can
• 24:55
  in public, which is not a good thing to be, just yelling at
• 24:59
  someone in the streets, even now after a thief.
• 25:02
  I mean yes. But they're safe though.
• 25:05
  Yes, my Aiden was a thief, but well, so for about a year he
• 25:09
  kind of keeps his mouth, shut, nothing publicly is happening,
• 25:13
  but on the back end, He is finding a way to rid himself of
• 25:19
  fool on every single girl. Oh, now she's 11.
• 25:22
  There's an 11 year old girl. Oh my God, he finds a more
• 25:25
  well-off man. Who'd agree to take her as his
• 25:28
  bride, her family accepted as was the custom at the time.
• 25:33
  And this worked out for my attend because this this new
• 25:36
  husband didn't live, very close to her family.
• 25:40
  The only problem is that he was in his 30s and foulon was 11.
• 25:45
  His I'm was putting lull and in her autobiography, she calls
• 25:49
  him. A man of very bad character,
• 25:54
  which I feel like she was being very kind.
• 25:58
  Yes, was in this description. I mean, a 30 year-old Mary, an
• 26:01
  eleven-year-old, yes. Yeah.
• 26:04
  Putting mistreated her from the beginning.
• 26:06
  Sexually assaulting her and beating her from the start.
• 26:12
  And this is pretty rough because she's away from home like, well,
• 26:15
  over an hour, like it's not, it's this wasn't a, she could
• 26:17
  just walk home situation, she was hours away from home in a
• 26:20
  very rural area. She was isolated and but she did
• 26:25
  try and run away from her husband several times.
• 26:27
  And every time she was returned back to him, he would be her
• 26:30
  more savagely. Finally, she was returned to her
• 26:34
  family because her husband was like, she's too young for wifely
• 26:40
  duties. No shit.
• 26:41
  Why did you marry her in the first place?
• 26:43
  Yes, you have words to say you, but I'm trying to your feelings
• 26:48
  about this. But three years later at 14,
• 26:55
  they return her to her husband, it's 1977 she kicked up a huge
• 27:02
  fuss this time, she protested and her husband brought her back
• 27:06
  to her family's home. The problem was 1977 rural
• 27:11
  India. A wife leaving her husband in
• 27:15
  this manner is considered very taboo and her community marked
• 27:19
  her. as a social outcast, almost immediately So she's already one
• 27:25
  of these people of a lower caste, she has someone with some
• 27:31
  political clout, very angry with her.
• 27:34
  And now she's being deemed like unfit woman and a social
• 27:39
  outcast. Like she's just getting dug
• 27:41
  further into the hammered further into the ground horse,
• 27:46
  okay? Okay.
• 27:48
  Now fully back home. Foulon is back on.
• 27:53
  I can only say back on her bullshit, Buckle her uncle
• 27:56
  hating because she is back to bothering her cousin about the
• 28:02
  fact that you stole 14 acres from us, she will not let it go.
• 28:08
  She accuses him of stealing the land, she tries to take him to
• 28:11
  court on her own at 14 years old.
• 28:14
  Wow. And she loses the case in 1979
• 28:21
  when she's 16 with a case, lasted, two years ago she was
• 28:27
  listen, full-on was just like as a child, a force to be reckoned
• 28:33
  with nice. So then might and comes up with
• 28:38
  a new plan. He calls some of his police
• 28:41
  buddies and he, accuses foulon of stealing things from his
• 28:46
  house. She gets put in jail for 3 days
• 28:50
  where she is beaten and raped by guards in the prison.
• 28:56
  It was at this time in her life that she developed a bit of a
• 28:59
  hatred towards men, understandable specifically man
• 29:05
  who Abused Women and also a serious distrust of the justice
• 29:08
  system. Absolutely.
• 29:10
  Understandable, when she was released from prison, her family
• 29:13
  and Community shunned her for being a thief, even though she
• 29:18
  never stole anything. And for time in her life, she
• 29:21
  just felt really helpless. So before I get into, what I can
• 29:27
  only refer to as the banded era of fool, ons life, I have to
• 29:31
  give you some backstory here in India.
• 29:35
  They have a different name for gangs, they call them the dacoit
• 29:39
  and there's a long storied history about why they even
• 29:42
  exist in India, but they are a part of organized and sometimes
• 29:45
  disorganized crime in several areas of India, with some being,
• 29:50
  very traditional gangs, you know, they have protection
• 29:54
  schemes. Yes, they are just going around.
• 29:56
  Causing a ruckus. We have some other very Robin
• 29:59
  Hood. Ask, you know, Rob the rich to
• 30:01
  give to the poor. Yeah.
• 30:04
  Like some of the Robin Hood ones would Target wealthy people and
• 30:07
  then pay the medical bills or weddings of poor people.
• 30:10
  That's awesome. I love that other two quite,
• 30:13
  we're like the Mob of the 20s, they targeted businesses,
• 30:16
  offered protection, that sort of thing.
• 30:18
  So the most comic kind of decoy actually kidnapped wealthy
• 30:22
  people and the demanded Ransom money from Wealthy relatives.
• 30:26
  I mean, they give them back though, right?
• 30:28
  If they got their money, okay. Well, I mean, those are kind of
• 30:33
  Robin, Hood SQ, edgy Robin Hood. There you go.
• 30:40
  There's a bit of a dispute here and some of the tax.
• 30:43
  So and rulon's book, she says that she was kidnapped by a
• 30:46
  dacoit gang but in a different biography I looked at they posed
• 30:51
  it as full-on walked away from her life with her family.
• 30:55
  Family, because there was nothing there for her anymore.
• 30:58
  But either way she's 18, it's 1979 and now she's with this
• 31:02
  gang, the leader, his name is Babu kjar.
• 31:06
  Expresses a desire to rape her but she has been offered
• 31:11
  protection by Rick Vikram Milad. The second in command who is of
• 31:15
  the same cast as her Babu was of a higher caste.
• 31:19
  Which is why he felt like he had the ability to just do whatever
• 31:22
  he wanted, right? I'm like I'm Les you know this I
• 31:25
  want to do this to you and it may arise like just letting you
• 31:29
  know like yeah you know I'm doing that later whether you
• 31:32
  want to do it. Oh my God I'm doing it.
• 31:35
  Well aha one night he comes to try and rape her and Vikram
• 31:42
  kills him and assumes the position of being the new leader
• 31:46
  of the Gang. Fool on is like, this is
• 31:50
  awesome. Like, you really have my back.
• 31:53
  Thanks. Yep.
• 31:54
  And she's like, you know what? I have no problem becoming your
• 31:56
  second wife, okay? So like, listen, I'm good.
• 32:00
  Like this is, I'm you gotta figure though like Vikram is
• 32:04
  probably the only man in her life who hasn't harmed or like,
• 32:07
  seriously neglected her right. That's true.
• 32:09
  I mean, he was honest with his, his word, he did protect her.
• 32:14
  Hey, so listen, I got you back honey.
• 32:15
  So It's not that crazy, that she would become emotionally
• 32:20
  attached to the only man who's really put up with really fought
• 32:25
  for her. Yeah.
• 32:28
  So to take that a step further fool on tells him about her
• 32:32
  ex-husband and he's like what? So he brings the whole gang to
• 32:41
  the village. Where her ex-husband lives?
• 32:43
  Oh, they wreck the village. Full-on walks into her prior
• 32:49
  home stabs her ex-husband in the chest and then drags his body
• 32:54
  out in front of all the other villagers leaving him for dead.
• 32:59
  On the side of the road, as a warning, to older men to leave
• 33:05
  young girls alone. Yes.
• 33:09
  Okay. I'm down with that.
• 33:13
  Also during this time Vikram teaches her, how to use a rifle
• 33:18
  and she participated in some normal gang activities across
• 33:21
  utter Pradesh and madhya Pradesh.
• 33:24
  Things like robbing higher. Caste Villages kidnapping upper
• 33:27
  caste landowners for ransom train robberies.
• 33:30
  Oh, okay, all sorts of fun gang activity.
• 33:35
  So wait, are they the Robin Hood type of gang or I think they're
• 33:39
  kind of regular. Okay there's the gang.
• 33:41
  Got it after every crime, foulon finds a Durga Temple.
• 33:46
  That's one of an Indian goddess has Hindu goddess Durga and she
• 33:50
  thanks the goddess for her protection.
• 33:53
  Things. This was great.
• 33:56
  She's like this is the best, like, two years in my life.
• 34:00
  Of course, things can't really go well for our heroine of the
• 34:04
  story. So to upper caste gang members
• 34:09
  named Shriram, and Lala ROM decide to come back to the gang.
• 34:14
  They were two brothers who belong to the, the core cast.
• 34:18
  The, the core are mostly small landowners.
• 34:21
  So essentially these two were brothers.
• 34:23
  Born into Lynn on our wealth. Why you join a gang?
• 34:27
  When you already have money is very confusing to me.
• 34:31
  You probably want to piss off their dad, maybe I don't know.
• 34:34
  Well, when they rejoin the gang, they're like, where's Babu?
• 34:38
  And everyone's like he died. He did and they are outraged but
• 34:45
  not that Babu was killed that. He was killed by a man of a
• 34:48
  lower caste well y'all can do any better because you weren't
• 34:52
  here. So why don't You care?
• 34:54
  And they're upset that someone of a lower caste is in charge of
• 34:57
  the gang and therefore in charge of them.
• 35:00
  You don't have to come back, you just go.
• 35:03
  It was just tense and it was even more tense because Shriram
• 35:07
  kept making sexual advances towards foulon and vikram's
• 35:11
  like, yo, that's my wife. Apologize to her.
• 35:13
  Yeah, no, no no, no, no. So thing about this particular
• 35:18
  gang, that who I am is a part of is that it was comprised of many
• 35:22
  different people of different castes and so they would go to
• 35:25
  like different villages to Rob them.
• 35:28
  And so, when the gang robbed a Malin Village, the ROM brothers
• 35:32
  would make fun of and mock like the Malin people that's the same
• 35:37
  cast that was Vikram and full on our part of and that really
• 35:42
  upset like members of the gang who were also part of that cast
• 35:46
  and they started Leave. You're like, I can't get any
• 35:50
  respect in life and now, I'm not even getting respect in my gang.
• 35:54
  Whoo, yeah, so with that Gap in like gang members, Shriram gets
• 36:01
  a dozen, the course to join. And navigating has more higher
• 36:05
  cast members than lower cast members.
• 36:09
  Vikram, trying to be a good leader is like, hey, why don't
• 36:12
  we just split into two groups and y'all can do your upper
• 36:15
  caste stuff and you can lead them and I will lead the group
• 36:21
  of like Malin members. Hmm.
• 36:25
  So there's no in in gang fighting, we can all be happy
• 36:29
  right, right? Nope.
• 36:30
  Sriram's like nah. And one night, he actually just
• 36:34
  outright tries to kill both foulon and Vikram while they're
• 36:37
  sleeping Vikram. Manages to escape that day, but
• 36:42
  they did kill him several days later.
• 36:44
  No, they kidnap flan and take her to a village.
• 36:50
  It's called Abba my Village, which is for people of that
• 36:55
  cast, The Core cast and they lock her up and proceeded to
• 37:00
  beat and Angry / for several weeks.
• 37:06
  They would, they also like tried to humiliate her like they would
• 37:10
  make her strip and then walk through the city like getting
• 37:13
  water for them or like getting food for them and things after
• 37:19
  about three weeks of this, she manages to escape with two of
• 37:24
  the other Mullan gang members from vikram's gang.
• 37:29
  And another lower caste villager who helped her out.
• 37:32
  Okay, flan heads out and and begins finding other Malin and
• 37:39
  creating her own gang with a man by the name of Maan Singh.
• 37:44
  He was a member of vikram's older gang and they begin a
• 37:48
  series of violent robberies and north and Central, India, only
• 37:54
  targeting the wealthy. They do not Target any lower
• 37:57
  caste Villages here sir. There are the Bad Robin Hood's.
• 38:01
  Well, so here's the thing Indian officials will say, says say
• 38:05
  this is a mess. if but many other sources say that fool on
• 38:09
  shared her wealth from these attacks with lower caste
• 38:12
  villages, And that one makes more sense to me.
• 38:16
  Yeah. Because later on when there is a
• 38:19
  multi-year Manhunt for fool on nobody can find her.
• 38:24
  Oh and I know damn. Well, somebody knew where she
• 38:26
  was but because she had put them on for so long.
• 38:32
  They were like nah, you're good, you're good.
• 38:34
  We got you. You can hide out in the back
• 38:35
  room. Nice, she protects us know
• 38:37
  whatever. Yep.
• 38:38
  No one ever turned around, when that man had happened, I will
• 38:40
  explain to you why, that man happens in a little bit, okay?
• 38:43
  But So this goes on for 17 months of her attacking these
• 38:52
  very wealthy tribe. These very wealthy like Villages
• 38:57
  stealing the stuff. Like doing her Robin Hood thing.
• 39:04
  And after about 17 months, she has this whole gang of lower
• 39:12
  caste people around her and they decide they're going to return
• 39:16
  to but my She is looking for the wrong Brothers on February 14th.
• 39:25
  1981 Foolin and her gang show up dressed like police officers.
• 39:32
  The the cores in the village are actually preparing for a
• 39:35
  wedding. And if you know anything about
• 39:36
  Indian weddings, they are massive community events that
• 39:40
  are very lavish and very beautiful.
• 39:41
  So, the entire Community is a part of this, they're all out.
• 39:44
  Getting ready for this wedding. They basically shut down the
• 39:46
  whole town for that Rahul on does not care.
• 39:49
  Okay, she wanted two things. She requested all of the money
• 39:53
  and valuables in the city and she said bring me Shriram and
• 39:58
  follow rum. Now details of what happened.
• 40:02
  Next are a little bit fuzzy. Some say that because she
• 40:05
  couldn't find the wrong Brothers, she became enraged.
• 40:08
  Others say that while she was looking through the city, she
• 40:13
  recognized several of the the core who had participated in her
• 40:17
  apes and had murdered her husband.
• 40:20
  Hmm, what we do know is that one in Sue's on February 14th is the
• 40:25
  largest Massacre by an outlaw in all of Indian history.
• 40:31
  The gang searches, the entire town at gunpoint and when they
• 40:34
  cannot find the ram, the ROM Brothers, they line up
• 40:37
  everything core man in the village and shoot him.
• 40:42
  Many of whom had nothing to do with her prior assault.
• 40:45
  Of course. At the end of the day, though,
• 40:47
  22 men or not. Later fool on would say she
• 40:52
  actually never raised her weapon that day because she was saving
• 40:55
  her bullets for the ROM Brothers make sense.
• 40:58
  And the killings were actually done by her gang essentially as
• 41:02
  a means to kind of uphold her on her.
• 41:06
  Regardless, the police launched a massive Manhunt after these
• 41:10
  Saint Valentine Massacre, they do refer to it as a Valentine
• 41:15
  Massacre. Only the Indian Saint Valentine
• 41:17
  Massacre, okay? Also, it's also known as the BMI
• 41:21
  Massacre. And remember how I said,
• 41:24
  magically none of the lower caste villagers, never knew
• 41:27
  anything about fool ons, we're about right?
• 41:29
  Of course, that's why I think she must have made all of those
• 41:33
  people believe in her based on the fact that she supported them
• 41:36
  financially. Because no cops ever found her.
• 41:40
  In fact, the chief minister of uttar Pradesh, his name was VP
• 41:45
  Singh actually resigned in the wake of the by Massacre.
• 41:49
  And this is the point in history, when the people of
• 41:53
  India, begin to call phoolan Devi.
• 41:55
  The Bandit Queen. I love it so much.
• 41:59
  They start making dolls that look like her.
• 42:02
  Oh my god. Oh, what would?
• 42:03
  And the dolls are dressed as a Hindu goddess Durga.
• 42:08
  And they're being sold all over uttar Pradesh.
• 42:12
  Oh my God. And the Indian media is pretty
• 42:14
  much like yeah, this chick is awesome.
• 42:16
  If you honestly, if you go look at pictures of her right now.
• 42:19
  Yeah, they're really cool photos of her in this.
• 42:22
  Like she's got like the the whole bullet belt across her
• 42:25
  chest carrying a rifle. She looks like a freedom
• 42:29
  fighter. I love it so much.
• 42:33
  This media frenzy captures the attention of the Prime Minister
• 42:37
  who requests the help of as many police as he can to find her.
• 42:42
  We're talking thousands of police have come to our Pradesh
• 42:48
  to find her. They request the help of several
• 42:53
  different rival gangs. Who want to kill her to try and
• 42:57
  find her. And the reason why there was
• 43:01
  this political push here is because foulon had upset the
• 43:04
  social order of India. She was from one of the lowest
• 43:08
  castes and she had threatened, higher caste people, humiliated
• 43:11
  them. And even if she was just a small
• 43:14
  town, girl, with a really tiny gang beside her given, she was
• 43:18
  giving the lower caste people hope that she, that they could
• 43:21
  rise up and she was a threat to the upper caste how dare she?
• 43:26
  Hmm. It's interesting because when
• 43:31
  you look at other other materials upper caste people
• 43:34
  write about her as if she is. This ruthless villain who
• 43:38
  murdered a man on his wedding day.
• 43:41
  But for millions of The Untouchables in India fool on,
• 43:47
  is this badass gun-slinging bandana, where an outlaw who was
• 43:53
  a goddess among humans, hmm. I love it.
• 43:58
  I love it so much. So by 1983 this man hunts been
• 44:03
  going on for two years. Mmm the police cannot find her
• 44:07
  the rival. Gangs cannot find her the Bandit
• 44:11
  king and queen is elusive but for flan She is exhausted,
• 44:19
  imagine running around, she's 30 years old, but she feels much
• 44:23
  older than her time. Many of the people who have been
• 44:28
  riding with her throughout this process.
• 44:30
  Now, roughly almost four years. There are a lot of them are dead
• 44:34
  or they're just exhausted. So, she reaches out to a
• 44:41
  gandhian. Peace activist.
• 44:44
  Who reached who reached out on her behalf to the government and
• 44:48
  they negotiate a surrender, she agrees, she'll surrender
• 44:54
  February 1983. But I have some conditions, of
• 44:59
  course, first she says, I don't trust any police or politician
• 45:05
  in uttar Pradesh. So I'm going to surrender myself
• 45:08
  to the madhya Pradesh police, which is nearby State.
• 45:12
  Then she says, I will only lay down my guns and front of a
• 45:15
  picture of Mahatma Gandhi and goddess.
• 45:18
  Durga dr. Police there you go.
• 45:21
  Then she tells them you can have my surrender.
• 45:25
  If death penalty is off the table, none of my gang members
• 45:30
  will be jailed for longer than eight years.
• 45:34
  I want the plot of land that my uncle stole return to my family,
• 45:40
  who owned that? Oh my God, I think wait, so it's
• 45:47
  1983 and she was born in Oh God, 1963.
• 45:55
  No, she's actually. So it's 20.
• 45:56
  She's 20 years old 20. It's been like, okay, okay, I
• 46:00
  mean like Grudge, 10 years. It's been 10 years.
• 46:05
  Oh my God. When she's 20 years old been 10
• 46:11
  years and she's like I want the plot of land that my uncle stole
• 46:16
  from my family returned right now and you can have me go right
• 46:22
  ahead and then she says my brother needs job.
• 46:25
  So get him a job in the government needs to provide for
• 46:28
  his family. I love it.
• 46:33
  Oh my god, this is my issue. And she actually hated it and
• 46:43
  she threatens like armor self in public if they didn't remove it.
• 46:48
  Oh damn. They ended up giving her a
• 46:50
  settlement over it but like I feel like we should do a modern
• 46:53
  movie about her. Definitely.
• 46:55
  Oh my God, not like a Bollywood, like know any dancing and
• 46:59
  singing in this film know you miss needs to be like a real
• 47:03
  hardcore tail. Oh yeah.
• 47:05
  Oh my God. I'd love to see that.
• 47:07
  Absolutely like, what it Create love.
• 47:09
  Just listen. But either way, considering the
• 47:12
  government hasn't caught her, they're like fine, whatever will
• 47:14
  give you what you ask for it. So finally, after 10 years and
• 47:19
  many bodies and her, humiliating wealthy people and just love is
• 47:26
  stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.
• 47:28
  She manages to get the whole 15 Eggers, her father's desires.
• 47:33
  Thank you, turn to him. Good job.
• 47:36
  Good job. So the the gandhian, peace
• 47:41
  activists, let's a police chief know where she is.
• 47:46
  He arrives at their hiding place which is in the Trumbull
• 47:51
  Ravines, he meets her and the Gang mates.
• 47:56
  And they walk to the city of Bend.
• 47:59
  There is a crowd of roughly 10,000 people, and 300 unarmed
• 48:03
  police officers, and the chief minister of madhya Pradesh.
• 48:06
  His name is Arjun Singh. And they all watch her as she
• 48:11
  puts down her guns in front of two gigantic, portraits of
• 48:14
  Gandhi and the goddess, Durga. And then they all surrender
• 48:18
  themselves. And this is where a real big
• 48:24
  circus starts. Oh no, come on for longest
• 48:28
  charged with a total of 48 crimes, 30 of them are dacoity
• 48:34
  which is just straight banditry thing.
• 48:36
  She did, while she was lead, the gang, you said three of them 30
• 48:39
  charge. Okay, she also gets charged with
• 48:42
  kidnapping and the wheels of Justice seem to be working but
• 48:46
  they grind to a halt. Now, that fool on is in prison.
• 48:51
  The former the Our gang members and all of her other enemies,
• 48:55
  begin filing cases against her requesting trial, after trial
• 48:59
  that keep her original case from being ever handled.
• 49:04
  It was, it was like, they found a weird loophole where they
• 49:06
  could keep her in the system as long as another Rich, the core
• 49:10
  popped up and charged her with something ridiculous.
• 49:14
  Hate them now, and the problem is, even though her family had
• 49:16
  gotten their land back, they didn't really have money for
• 49:18
  proper legal representation, and the prime minister.
• 49:22
  Really Indira Gandhi had been assassinated shortly after her
• 49:26
  capture. So the whole government was
• 49:29
  going through a new process of new people being in power and
• 49:33
  things of that nature and this continues.
• 49:37
  Now mind you she was she surrounded herself in 1983, this
• 49:42
  goes on for 11 years. With her being in a legal.
• 49:50
  I don't know what would you call it Purgatory on.
• 49:52
  Yeah. And then in 1994 a new prime
• 49:57
  minister gets elected who is also of a lower caste and he
• 50:01
  just goes this is absolutely ridiculous that y'all are still
• 50:04
  doing this and he actually just outright pardons her.
• 50:08
  Yes he said screw it. Yes you did nothing wrong,
• 50:11
  fantastic full-on. I love this.
• 50:14
  Look like Wait, this is a murder story.
• 50:17
  It is because I love her so much.
• 50:19
  She did Kill like 27 or so 22 people.
• 50:22
  Yeah. But he's our man right?
• 50:23
  Yes. Okay, I mean I mean what I love
• 50:31
  this so much. Okay, so it's it's 94 and she's
• 50:35
  free but jail has been very hard.
• 50:42
  I mean, now she's 31 and what she finds that as she's been
• 50:48
  released back into Indian Society, she still very much a
• 50:52
  beloved figure among the masses. It's almost a little bit of a
• 50:56
  like the reason why I like when she says she called herself an
• 51:01
  international Legend, there was a lot of Legend and and all
• 51:06
  about her at this point and she thinks about it for those next
• 51:09
  two years and then she decides. Well, what I'm going to do with
• 51:12
  all of this social Alive somehow earned over the last 10 years is
• 51:18
  I'm going to run for Parliament. And she runs on the platform of
• 51:25
  speaking for The Untouchables, and for women, there you go.
• 51:29
  Yes, because women have very little political representation.
• 51:35
  Actually, and she wins and that 1996 election.
• 51:39
  And after she was elected, she gets interviewed by a western
• 51:42
  journalist who talks to her about, like, you know, the fact
• 51:45
  that she was sexually assaulted and this is what she said, it's
• 51:48
  a direct quote, you can call it rape in your fancy language.
• 51:52
  Do you have any idea what it's like to live in a village in
• 51:54
  India? What you call rape?
• 51:56
  That kind of thing happens to poor women in The Villages
• 51:58
  everyday. It is assumed that the daughters
• 52:01
  of the poor are for the use of the rich.
• 52:03
  They Zoom that we're their property in The Villages.
• 52:07
  The poor have no, toilets. So we must go to the fields and
• 52:10
  the moment we arrived, the rich Laius there.
• 52:13
  We can't got the grass or tend to our crops without being
• 52:15
  accosted by them. We are the property of the rich.
• 52:19
  They wouldn't let us live in peace.
• 52:22
  You will never understand what kind of humiliation that is if
• 52:25
  they wanted to rape us molest us and our families objected, then
• 52:29
  they drape us in front of our families.
• 52:38
  That was the life that she was born into.
• 52:41
  Yeah, and unfortunately, in certain rural areas of India,
• 52:47
  even today. That is stuff that happens,
• 52:53
  obviously, not all that, a huge section of India is very
• 52:56
  tech-savvy. I mean, they people have very
• 52:59
  Advanced degrees, huge science, but it's a country where you
• 53:03
  have huge cities with technological leaps and
• 53:06
  advancements and then you have rural.
• 53:08
  Cities that are very very small. Whee whee whee whee whee whee
• 53:11
  out in the middle of nowhere. Right?
• 53:13
  Right. Where there's very little
• 53:17
  protection. Like there isn't even a police
• 53:20
  department in some of these small villages, so it becomes
• 53:24
  the will of the people. I remember, I believe I remember
• 53:28
  a couple years ago reading a story about a woman who was
• 53:30
  sexually assaulted and she'd be headed the man who raped her and
• 53:35
  she walked into the town like the Of town holding his head and
• 53:39
  being like, here you go. This is my honor and she like
• 53:43
  threw his head in the middle of town.
• 53:45
  She did get apprehended but I still applaud her right.
• 53:48
  Absolutely. I mean, hey, she got arrested
• 53:51
  for murder but I'm like, I mean really.
• 53:54
  She defended herself. Exactly should have stayed out
• 53:58
  of my Hut. Is that a pun?
• 54:02
  No, I'm just saying you should stay down.
• 54:04
  Okay. I was about to say, Hung up on
• 54:09
  making around here other thing, I don't make puns, that's you,
• 54:12
  but like full-on had a very solid social justice philosophy.
• 54:16
  Actually, she believed in Gandhi Buddha, Jesus Durga, and a man,
• 54:21
  by the name of Bob Mayo, ambedkar embed car.
• 54:28
  He was an Indian politician who campaigned for social reform,
• 54:32
  and he also campaigned against discrimination of The
• 54:35
  Untouchables as well. She lost her seat.
• 54:37
  Parliament in 98 and I got it right back a year later.
• 54:41
  Nice. She actually she lived in a
• 54:43
  modest home and she did get married again.
• 54:47
  Strangely enough. She did meet somebody whose
• 54:50
  ideals lined up with hers and supported her in her political
• 54:54
  career. Okay.
• 54:55
  No, I hate the way you're speaking because it sounds like
• 54:59
  you're talking the past tense. Like she's not around anymore
• 55:03
  because she isn't and we're getting into that point now.
• 55:06
  Uh-huh. Flan was never unaware that she
• 55:12
  had many, many enemies. She had a dog at home.
• 55:15
  She had guards who accompanied her whenever she left her house,
• 55:19
  she wore a bulletproof vest any time she left home, and she
• 55:23
  carried an end, an Enfield rifle, and a bandolier full of
• 55:26
  ammo on her at all times, but unfortunately, you can't hide
• 55:31
  forever. And she not only had the core
• 55:35
  enemies still from the bomb. I Massacre.
• 55:37
  Her. But she had gained new enemies
• 55:40
  as a politician because of her political views.
• 55:43
  That lower caste Indian citizens deserved rights too.
• 55:47
  On July 26th 2001. At the age of 37, Three, masked.
• 55:52
  Gunmen attacked full on outside of her Bungalow and Delhi India.
• 55:58
  She was hit nine times in the head chest shoulders, and right
• 56:02
  arm, her personal security guard, did his best returning,
• 56:06
  fire taking several shots, to the chest and arm as well.
• 56:10
  He did a good job though because the gunman actually abandoned
• 56:13
  their car. So he must have shot something
• 56:15
  on it to make it stop, right? And they got on auto rickshaw
• 56:19
  and kept going. They had a plan, they had a
• 56:24
  like, they had a plan, a, and they had a plan B for if the car
• 56:28
  got destroyed in the process. The police later, recovered
• 56:34
  Webley & Scott pistol, several improvised like homemade
• 56:38
  firearms in their car, several revolvers 9, empty rounds and 15
• 56:43
  live rounds which proves that the shots came from the car.
• 56:47
  Are you okay? They were hiding within the car
• 56:50
  to shoot her. She was rushed to the rum
• 56:55
  manohar, lohia hospital but she was pronounced Dead on Arrival.
• 57:00
  And the prime suspect was a man by the name of Sher Singh Rana
• 57:05
  and he did eventually surrender himself to the police.
• 57:09
  He claimed that this was revenge for the my Massacre and was
• 57:14
  sentenced to life in prison, August of 2014 which also lets
• 57:19
  you another cuz member this happened in 2001.
• 57:22
  Yeah it took 13 years to get him to trial.
• 57:25
  Oh my God. It was a violent death.
• 57:31
  For a woman whose life was full of violence.
• 57:33
  Yeah, it almost seems kind of balanced but still very wrong.
• 57:39
  Now, I'm sad. Yeah, she just she lived in a
• 57:41
  really ruthless time that called for lawlessness.
• 57:44
  Yeah. She single-handedly, gave the
• 57:46
  middle finger to one of the oldest stratification, systems
• 57:50
  in existence, by herself suffering.
• 57:54
  Repeatedly in the process, I, it's kind of interesting, like,
• 57:58
  I was, as I was writing this. I was just thinking about that
• 58:00
  line from Pulp Fiction that Sam Jackson says, you know, I will
• 58:03
  strike down upon thee with great Vengeance and Furious anger.
• 58:07
  Those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers, like flan
• 58:11
  de Vie. Was that righteous anger and and
• 58:16
  sometimes Vengeance she really was.
• 58:19
  Oh my God. No, and I think she just
• 58:20
  improved, she just proved that. Sometimes that is the only way
• 58:25
  to get things done. Oh my God, I can't pretend to
• 58:30
  Then I can't even like fathom growing up in a place where a
• 58:38
  stray dog had more rights than a woman but damn it, if she didn't
• 58:44
  give it her best shot, the majority of this was researched,
• 58:52
  what this is based off of the Bandit queen of India and Indian
• 58:55
  woman's amazing journey from peasant to International legend
• 58:59
  by phoolan Devi. She marie-therese CUNY and Paul
• 59:03
  room, Bali and interestingly enough she didn't ever learn how
• 59:08
  to read which is why she need people to help her write her
• 59:11
  autobiography but still impressive.
• 59:13
  That's a big Stone, beautiful lengthy but I need his book.
• 59:19
  Yeah, I was like this is it easy thing to pick up from the
• 59:21
  library but I'm gonna get me a copy myself to have.
• 59:24
  Definitely. Yeah like I said because she
• 59:29
  didn't agree with the movie about her life that came out in
• 59:32
  the 90s. I don't think I'll be watching
• 59:35
  that one, right? Yeah, this is just less than
• 59:38
  anybody from Hollywood. If you are listening, this is
• 59:40
  the story. I know we have a lot of
• 59:41
  California listeners so this is the story if you are looking to
• 59:46
  get your first. Script accepted.
• 59:50
  This is the one do it again. Bonus.
• 59:55
  The whole cast would have to be from India.
• 59:58
  So we get inclusivity. Let's please.
• 1:00:01
  Oh my God, there's got to be an Indian director.
• 1:00:03
  Who wants to make this their first major film?
• 1:00:06
  I just, can I just say how much I love?
• 1:00:08
  I mean, I said it a few times already what you're telling the
• 1:00:11
  story. I fucking love this story.
• 1:00:14
  Ended, like I wish you were still alive.
• 1:00:16
  We like, hey, let's go. Visit India.
• 1:00:20
  No. Oh my God I love.
• 1:00:22
  Oh, oh, Brittany. He gave me a gift today.
• 1:00:27
  I'd like I said as soon as like as soon as I saw that title, the
• 1:00:30
  book I was like, oh remember when I texted you and I just
• 1:00:33
  like, I found my person for this week.
• 1:00:36
  I know who I'm talking about and like thing is I only read like
• 1:00:40
  The cursory little bubble on the book.
• 1:00:43
  Like what I read, I was like, oh this is great cuz I there was
• 1:00:47
  nothing where I was like this is wonderful.
• 1:00:49
  Awful. Yeah, I love that.
• 1:00:51
  Thank you. Thank you very much.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, as a guy, I feel better for knowing about phoolan Devi.
• 1:01:01
  Okay. Now I do want to say now that I
• 1:01:03
  like I did love that story immensely.
• 1:01:07
  Oh my fucking God, I love this story so much.
• 1:01:11
  I'm not going to backtrack anything.
• 1:01:12
  I said, by the way, I just want to say that to any of the men
• 1:01:19
  that are listening. I'm like, I'm not sorry, but if
• 1:01:25
  you assault a woman and you expect no consequences to happen
• 1:01:30
  to you, Or like you expect me like no repercussions from your
• 1:01:34
  actions and you know what, the only downside is that I couldn't
• 1:01:37
  find out what happened to the ROM Brothers.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah. Where did y'all go?
• 1:01:41
  Because foulon was looking for you.
• 1:01:45
  She was ready. She had a bullet with your name
• 1:01:48
  on it and she had two boys. By the way, to boys are here,
• 1:01:51
  your name is on it as looking. I was like, where did where
• 1:01:53
  these two guys go. They just disappeared into the
• 1:01:57
  history books but yeah, like like I a bird. 84.
• 1:02:03
  What would you say? What would, what would you call
• 1:02:05
  this? Like like treating, like treat
• 1:02:08
  women? Like they're people.
• 1:02:10
  Oh, yeah. Not like they're less than you.
• 1:02:13
  Like if you're a man, they were male, whatever.
• 1:02:17
  What's the interesting thing is that, we look at a place like
• 1:02:19
  India or like rural India, where these things happen or even, you
• 1:02:22
  know, 30 years ago, what happened to phoolan Devi?
• 1:02:26
  Like and we, of course, I'm sure there were people who listen to
• 1:02:28
  us and they will go well, it's what we live.
• 1:02:31
  So, we're so Much better than that.
• 1:02:33
  No, the fuck. You're not known.
• 1:02:34
  The fuck were not. We're not, we're not.
• 1:02:35
  We're count to like, 10 to women.
• 1:02:39
  Have been sexually assaulted in America.
• 1:02:42
  Women are children. That's how Frampton it is.
• 1:02:45
  It's just not. Nobody like I guess it's like
• 1:02:51
  it's a thing that's hidden. Yeah, a lot of it is.
• 1:02:54
  Yeah. And also it's a thing that's
• 1:02:56
  shameful for the person that it happens to you.
• 1:02:58
  We're still not in a place where people can be honest about their
• 1:03:02
  sexual assaults. Exactly.
• 1:03:03
  And it's like, if you bring it up in a court.
• 1:03:05
  Oh yeah, you don't remember all this stuff you're obviously
• 1:03:08
  lying know. Is it's because I was drugged,
• 1:03:11
  okay? Or this other situations.
• 1:03:13
  Like there's been situations that I've been involved in where
• 1:03:16
  it was, it could have been that. And no one wants to discuss it.
• 1:03:20
  There's trauma related to. Well I'll just be honest because
• 1:03:25
  that's kind of where we are. And this is the environment that
• 1:03:28
  we've created. I had a friend who I knew from
• 1:03:31
  college and I had an apartment in Philadelphia, this was years
• 1:03:34
  later and he was a lawyer and he would get drunk sometimes and I
• 1:03:39
  had an extra bedroom in my apartment and sometimes my other
• 1:03:42
  roommate would be there. One of the girls had moved out
• 1:03:44
  and so I had a guy roommate and it was just me and some Times,
• 1:03:48
  he wouldn't be there. But either way I would let him
• 1:03:49
  use the extra room multiple times.
• 1:03:52
  This happened loads of times and then one night, you know,
• 1:03:57
  brought a man, he's drunk, let him sleep on that leftover
• 1:04:00
  mattress that had been there from our old roommate.
• 1:04:02
  And I looked up and he was standing in my doorway and he
• 1:04:05
  was butt naked. Oh no.
• 1:04:07
  And he kept trying to climb into my bed with me.
• 1:04:10
  And when I was like, whoa! He was just like no, come on,
• 1:04:14
  come on. And like I have a very vivid
• 1:04:17
  memory of Of me kicking him in the junk in the middle of the
• 1:04:21
  dark. And then I also remember saying
• 1:04:22
  to him one of us is going to die tonight.
• 1:04:25
  If you keep going this route And he stopped and he thought about
• 1:04:30
  it and he left, he slammed my door and which I immediately
• 1:04:33
  locked it he went back to the other room I guess and got
• 1:04:37
  dressed and then he went downstairs and he because I was
• 1:04:39
  like a like a walkway down to get to the door, to the
• 1:04:43
  apartment slam that door too. And then I ran downstairs and I
• 1:04:46
  like lock that door and I put the slide lock on it and I
• 1:04:49
  texted some of our mutual friends and I was like he
• 1:04:51
  crossed a line, we're not friends anymore, don't talk to
• 1:04:55
  me about him, you know. Weird sort of kind of hilarious
• 1:04:58
  situation that happened. I got invited to a party that he
• 1:05:05
  was going to be at and it was, you know, mutual friends and I
• 1:05:07
  just said it's, so I'm so going to be there and my friend was
• 1:05:12
  like, yeah. And I was like, yeah, I won't be
• 1:05:14
  coming. And she's like, what happened
• 1:05:15
  between you two? And I just like he crossed the
• 1:05:17
  line, he violated a barrier for me and I just don't want to be
• 1:05:21
  around him ever again right now. A lot of people will say, Hey,
• 1:05:24
  you know, why didn't you? That was an attempted assault.
• 1:05:26
  And I'm like, What's anybody going to do?
• 1:05:28
  Nothing bat nothing actually happened.
• 1:05:31
  That's another barrier. We have in the states.
• 1:05:33
  No one was going to take that seriously.
• 1:05:35
  It was just, you know. Yeah, I'm drunk guy trying to
• 1:05:38
  climb in my bed, but here's where his intention was real
• 1:05:43
  because he went to that party and my friend being the nosy
• 1:05:47
  person that she is, was just like what happened between you
• 1:05:50
  and Brittany. And he was just like, oh, what
• 1:05:53
  did she say that? I like tried to rape her
• 1:05:55
  something and Everyone at the party was like, no, but did you
• 1:06:02
  obviously you fucking did. So he very much outed himself to
• 1:06:08
  my friend group in that regard and then everybody stop talking
• 1:06:12
  to him too. But that let me know that that
• 1:06:14
  was the intention. Because in my head, you know,
• 1:06:17
  you think about that as somebody who's through a situation like
• 1:06:21
  oh maybe he didn't, you know, mean that maybe he was just
• 1:06:24
  drunk or whatever. Nah, he knew what he was doing.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah, the whole time. Maybe even before then, maybe
• 1:06:30
  that there was a slow plan to slowly work his way up to two
• 1:06:35
  what he did. You know what I mean?
• 1:06:37
  And so that's But everybody, I know has a story like this so we
• 1:06:43
  can't look at any other culture and point fingers and say, they
• 1:06:48
  are worse than us everybody. I know has a story like this.
• 1:06:51
  Yeah. I'm not saying I'm not saying
• 1:06:53
  that India's words there anywhere.
• 1:06:55
  No. I'm just saying to the people
• 1:06:56
  listening. Please don't.
• 1:06:57
  Oh, yeah. No.
• 1:06:59
  I'm saying every man in the world or any every, like, every
• 1:07:04
  woman in the world, has a story like this.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah. So many people of all genders of
• 1:07:08
  all. All ages working in education,
• 1:07:13
  we do a fair amount of training on child sexual assault and it
• 1:07:19
  is very rampant when it with an American society.
• 1:07:23
  I believe the current number is 25 percent of all children
• 1:07:27
  before the ages of 18 will be assaulted and that's the lowest.
• 1:07:30
  It's been in like 50 years, it used to be worse.
• 1:07:37
  It gives me no hope. hope almost no hope for the so this is, this
• 1:07:47
  is the world that we live in and we have to make Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  And best choices and do the best for ourselves that we can.
• 1:07:56
  But in please, this is why I can't feel bad for anybody who's
• 1:08:01
  been a victim of any of these sort of things.
• 1:08:03
  If you've watched The Tick-Tock, and you've heard me say that I
• 1:08:07
  empathize with Aileen wuornos, that's why?
• 1:08:10
  Absolutely? Because I and so many of the
• 1:08:13
  people who I know and care about have been in positions like
• 1:08:16
  that. I cannot like, I understand
• 1:08:18
  that, not all of the people, She killed were rapists, but the
• 1:08:25
  first one was, and the other ones were people who were
• 1:08:29
  treating her like that one. So it wasn't a short line for
• 1:08:35
  them to cross if, you know, if she let them cross that line.
• 1:08:37
  Yeah, so yeah, I will always full on DVD Aileen.
• 1:08:43
  Wuornos other women who avenged their assaults.
• 1:08:48
  You got my support. Absolutely mine too.
• 1:08:51
  Who are you? That's why I love this story.
• 1:09:06
  Huh? And it's still women's history
• 1:09:09
  month. It is and I'm so glad you did a
• 1:09:12
  story from whence it. That's why it's a gift as well.
• 1:09:15
  I'm not gonna lie, I love that, love that, love it.
• 1:09:17
  Alright, so now, I guess we're getting into my part of the
• 1:09:24
  segment. Okay.
• 1:09:27
  Well, this week and next week and Hopefully not any longer
• 1:09:35
  than that. I'm going to try to keep it down
• 1:09:37
  to this these two episodes. Okay?
• 1:09:39
  Because there's a lot I want to talk about but then I'm like I
• 1:09:43
  don't know how much I would like to stress is out too.
• 1:09:46
  So Mmm. I'll be talking about something
• 1:09:53
  that no one asked for, but guess what are you gonna get it?
• 1:09:58
  What did no one else all right? Talking about their paranormal
• 1:10:01
  investigators. The beautiful couple.
• 1:10:07
  And Marine one. I love the read Warren.
• 1:10:13
  Yes so much. I was so sad when she finally
• 1:10:17
  passed. Yes last year.
• 1:10:19
  No no listen, I'm not Atlas it's just it's all about.
• 1:10:24
  It's always been about Lorraine for me by the time.
• 1:10:27
  I even learned who she was her husband was already gone, but
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, unfortunately, like I started watching go shows and I
• 1:10:39
  saw her helping some of the different shows.
• 1:10:44
  Yes, using her abilities there. So and then I was like, wait a
• 1:10:48
  second, that sounds familiar. And then I realized that I had
• 1:10:51
  read The Amityville Horror book since I already knew them, I
• 1:10:54
  just didn't make the connection until I was a little older.
• 1:10:57
  Okay, okay. Well, I wanted to just talk
• 1:11:01
  about Lorraine of course, but You can't talk about one.
• 1:11:08
  This is great. We're talking about the other.
• 1:11:10
  I gave you a gift and now you are giving me a gift.
• 1:11:15
  Yes. Of my favorite paranormal
• 1:11:17
  couple. There we go.
• 1:11:20
  So yeah. So you can't talk about one
• 1:11:22
  without talking about the other. So I'll be talking about them
• 1:11:25
  both in this to two-part. Episode two-part episode,
• 1:11:31
  possibly two parts, hopefully not anymore.
• 1:11:34
  I'm trying to keep it down into parts.
• 1:11:36
  Hmm. So I'm still going to try to
• 1:11:38
  focus on Lorraine for the most part of this though.
• 1:11:41
  So for these two parts, I'm going to start out by for this
• 1:11:45
  first part, what their background, you know, where they
• 1:11:48
  started. And then I do a little bit of a
• 1:11:53
  touch on, I guess, their research on ghosts and for the
• 1:12:00
  next episode I will be covering all not Or cases, but most of
• 1:12:07
  their cases, including some other famous ones that they've
• 1:12:10
  done Annabelle in Amityville Horror, you know, interval as
• 1:12:16
  well, but the real Annabelle. Not the not on the Lorry in the
• 1:12:20
  movie. No, not that one.
• 1:12:21
  No, we're not doing Conjuring the country's a real story.
• 1:12:25
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Annabelle doll is different from how they portray crack shit?
• 1:12:31
  They portrayed Annabelle correctly in the The Conjuring
• 1:12:34
  story. It's the Subsequent sequels that
• 1:12:37
  have nothing to do with the spin-off sequel.
• 1:12:40
  That's okay. So, I'm not talking about that.
• 1:12:42
  They don't talk about the fact that it's not the doll in the
• 1:12:45
  movie because they couldn't get the rights to put the real doll.
• 1:12:47
  Yeah. I mean, actual movie really
• 1:12:49
  regularly? Yeah, Raggedy Ann, would not
• 1:12:51
  agree, but was it Metallo or one of those companies would not
• 1:12:55
  agree to put the dolls in the film.
• 1:12:58
  So they had to come up with that ugly.
• 1:12:59
  Want to tarnish our name. Pretty much.
• 1:13:01
  I mean, you gotta hold it dog, eyes.
• 1:13:03
  I mean, you can't really fight that.
• 1:13:05
  Hey, but I'm so here for this. Yes, thank you.
• 1:13:09
  You're welcome. No problem.
• 1:13:10
  Um, but every second part going to do all their did you see
• 1:13:14
  ghosts invent investigations? So I can start design with
• 1:13:20
  without mentioning one. One big source for this story.
• 1:13:25
  The book I was waiting, like, I guess like a week for the come,
• 1:13:29
  right. It was like super delayed.
• 1:13:30
  Yes, it was. It's the demonologist.
• 1:13:34
  Ah, yeah. Because at is the only non
• 1:13:40
  priest demonologist in existence, right?
• 1:13:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:45
  He was given permission by the Vatican to continue doing
• 1:13:50
  exorcisms. Yeah, even though he was not
• 1:13:52
  part of the, he's part of the faith, but he was, Not an
• 1:13:55
  official clergyman absolutely. Yes.
• 1:13:58
  So this is the demonologist extraordinary career of and
• 1:14:01
  Lorraine Warren and article, I did like a touched on this
• 1:14:06
  article done by the the AP Associated Press.
• 1:14:10
  It's just a test on it like a lightly, but that's about it.
• 1:14:15
  So I thought. Yeah, I like to have couldn't
• 1:14:17
  can contrasting opinions. Yeah I have I have another
• 1:14:20
  source. I just don't know where it's
• 1:14:22
  from. It's um, it's basically like a
• 1:14:25
  research paper. Someone else did.
• 1:14:26
  Oh that's interesting. So yeah, you didn't go to their
• 1:14:28
  a bibliography. I do that sometimes the person
• 1:14:32
  that wrote this, when people write little things, I look up
• 1:14:35
  their bibliography and then I go to their book.
• 1:14:39
  Oh no no no. It's like actual like.
• 1:14:43
  Okay so the like a thesis. Yeah so the the name of this I
• 1:14:48
  guess it's a whatever you want to call it.
• 1:14:52
  It's an internet thing is called 50 years of ghost hunting and
• 1:14:54
  research what the warrants. So I'm pretty sure you can look
• 1:14:58
  that up on Google and it'll take you right to this page.
• 1:15:02
  So the interview is done by Jeff.
• 1:15:06
  But anger. Hmm, blinker.
• 1:15:09
  That sounds familiar to. Okay, so there you go.
• 1:15:12
  All right, so let's start this little, right?
• 1:15:17
  I got for you guys. So Lorraine.
• 1:15:20
  Warren Warren Lorraine Rita Morin.
• 1:15:26
  She was born in Jane. She was born on January, 31st
• 1:15:30
  and 1927. Edward was born on September
• 1:15:35
  7th. 1926, they're both born in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
• 1:15:41
  So Lorraine born with the power Clairvoyance, she discovered at
• 1:15:46
  an early age that she was different from other children at
• 1:15:50
  the age of 12, she found out how different she was.
• 1:15:56
  So on one Arbor Day and and all and she was she was at an
• 1:16:00
  all-girls private school, okay. You know, they're planning a
• 1:16:05
  sapling and Lorraine. She's like they're planting a
• 1:16:11
  sapling, all the other girls like looking and you know as a
• 1:16:17
  sapling being planted and Lorraine, she's actually looking
• 1:16:20
  up. And the tree.
• 1:16:24
  Yes, she's looking up into the sky and one of the I guess the
• 1:16:33
  nuns noticed her looking up new like wait, what are you looking
• 1:16:38
  at? And she's like looking at this
• 1:16:40
  tree right here and there was no trees, there's just a sapling.
• 1:16:45
  So she was a, wait, she's looking at the ghost of a tree.
• 1:16:48
  She's looking at the future of the tree.
• 1:16:51
  Oh, okay. Yes.
• 1:16:53
  Oh, see. I always thought of her as a
• 1:16:54
  medium. She is a whole different set of
• 1:16:57
  skills. I never realized, she's
• 1:16:59
  Clairvoyant. So I mean I guess you call it
• 1:17:04
  like it's me this is two separate things.
• 1:17:06
  Yeah. I guess I should explain because
• 1:17:10
  I guess because on-the-go shows they want her to look into the
• 1:17:13
  past. Yeah.
• 1:17:15
  But she can see. But yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Clairvoyance has the future. Yeah.
• 1:17:20
  So she's the ability to see both.
• 1:17:22
  Oh goodness. Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  I didn't realize. Yeah.
• 1:17:26
  So I wrote this little joke, but never mind.
• 1:17:33
  Yeah, numbers like what you looking at kidding rains, like
• 1:17:35
  treat. Uh, and it only goes like, Oh
• 1:17:39
  the rain. Use future sight like a Pokemon.
• 1:17:44
  Oh my God. And Laura Ingalls,
• 1:17:49
  super-effective it in a knot goes.
• 1:17:53
  Okay. Time.
• 1:17:57
  Okay. China which time for you to go.
• 1:17:59
  Pray. Yeah.
• 1:18:01
  So yeah. So they really assume that
• 1:18:04
  something was wrong with her, though.
• 1:18:05
  Yeah. Like, if one of your kids told
• 1:18:09
  me that I would be like, oh, one of my kids.
• 1:18:12
  This is just pretend time one of my kids.
• 1:18:15
  Yes, know if Cassandra told you something like this.
• 1:18:18
  Believe her. Yeah.
• 1:18:19
  But Cassandra Seas. Beings not a future tree.
• 1:18:25
  Okay, if she's owed you something like this believer.
• 1:18:28
  Jaden, I'm not too sure about him.
• 1:18:30
  He doesn't have the gift. Oh, yeah, at least, hopefully
• 1:18:42
  for you to deal with this. I mean, hopefully she doesn't,
• 1:18:46
  it doesn't close for her. But, um, so they sent her to a
• 1:18:50
  retreat to pray. Oh, the Pokemon away for
• 1:18:57
  Lorraine. So yeah, they treat these in her
• 1:18:59
  further away for the weekend to pray.
• 1:19:01
  Only a weekend. It wasn't like one of those
• 1:19:03
  scary place. No, no, it was retrieved.
• 1:19:08
  So wait. So they sent her out into the
• 1:19:09
  woods, it was a retreat, you know?
• 1:19:12
  Where is that like a, I guess like a Bible Retreat.
• 1:19:14
  I'm guessing. Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  Those are usually out in the wilderness, okay?
• 1:19:17
  And you know locations where bad things have happened out in the
• 1:19:22
  wilderness, okay? Okay, so she can see more
• 1:19:25
  things. So after she told, you know, the
• 1:19:30
  nun this and she When to retreat, she was like, okay I'm
• 1:19:33
  gonna keep this stuff to myself now, smart smart girl just so
• 1:19:36
  you know, I don't get in trouble anymore.
• 1:19:39
  So we're in was even tested at the UCLA to judge her
• 1:19:43
  Clairvoyance and it was judged be on average.
• 1:19:50
  So, so have you ever seen Ghostbusters?
• 1:19:54
  Yes. The original like the first one.
• 1:19:56
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:19:57
  Do you remember like in like the first scene Venkman Z.
• 1:20:00
  He's, he's testing these two students for like clairvoyants.
• 1:20:05
  Yes, like, okay. And he's like using like a
• 1:20:08
  machine. He's using like a.
• 1:20:09
  Okay? So what he does is he he's
• 1:20:12
  holding up a car to himself and He's asking them, what, what,
• 1:20:17
  what do you see behind his card, right?
• 1:20:20
  And so I've actually seen that done multiple times on the
• 1:20:24
  internet. Oh, really?
• 1:20:25
  I just thought they were making fun of they were like doing the
• 1:20:28
  movie thing. You probably he's know if that's
• 1:20:31
  actually like the way they test Clairvoyance.
• 1:20:33
  That's interesting. So in and then like he would get
• 1:20:35
  like a shock to if you got it wrong.
• 1:20:38
  And the guy he saw was a guy and a girl.
• 1:20:41
  And the guy he like freaks out. He's like, what are you even
• 1:20:45
  doing here? Here.
• 1:20:46
  He's like, whoa, sir. I'm testing to see if negative
• 1:20:49
  negative reinforcement effects clairvoyants and yeah, I was
• 1:20:53
  just thinking about that because my head, I'm like the fear of
• 1:20:55
  the shot could affect a lot of people to ruin their ability, to
• 1:21:00
  answer the questions correctly. Yes, I explained it perfectly
• 1:21:05
  because Venkman, but yeah, no, he's my, he's any Bill Murray,
• 1:21:09
  come on out, I mean, um, but it's funny that he says this in
• 1:21:15
  the guy, I got the card right after being shocked so many
• 1:21:18
  times, he just got pissed off and he's like I don't know like
• 1:21:22
  a figure eight or something and he's like and make noise like no
• 1:21:26
  you gotta wrong. It is awakened.
• 1:21:28
  Figure eight on the card though. He just wanted to mess with the
• 1:21:31
  guy because he's in his like this reminds me of something,
• 1:21:34
  they were probably do something like this but I think the the
• 1:21:37
  test actually it doesn't involve being shocked like Ghostbusters
• 1:21:41
  but it does involve you trying to discern.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah, yeah, things in another room.
• 1:21:45
  Room or situations. I'm pretty sure.
• 1:21:47
  That's, yeah, that's how you do it.
• 1:21:49
  They did that to her at UCLA. I'm not, I didn't go really into
• 1:21:53
  it, but I know they tested her for that.
• 1:21:55
  Yeah, cool. Anyway, L rain met at the age of
• 1:22:02
  16. Well, Ed was an usher at a
• 1:22:05
  theater in Bridgeport. He had seen the rain.
• 1:22:09
  Oh, do you know the story gone? It's cute.
• 1:22:13
  It's cute and only like the way that things in the 40s and 50s
• 1:22:16
  were cute if they did this. Now, this is not cute, this is
• 1:22:18
  true, but this was cute back then, so he had seen her in her
• 1:22:22
  mom. Coming to the, you know, coming
• 1:22:24
  to the theater every Wednesday night.
• 1:22:27
  You know, Ed started talking to her, they became friends.
• 1:22:32
  And what night when he walks her home, he basically just ask her
• 1:22:35
  out and I guess you could say it's history from there.
• 1:22:39
  Yeah, it would be unheard of. Now that like the guy you
• 1:22:42
  randomly buy popcorn from you allow to walk you home from the
• 1:22:46
  movie like that would never happen now.
• 1:22:48
  But isn't it adorable? I mean, you could be friends
• 1:22:51
  with them, you could talk to them nicely and stuff like that,
• 1:22:54
  talk to people nicely but I have what I refer to as Real
• 1:22:58
  relationships, and people who are doing things for you
• 1:23:03
  relationships. So if I take an Uber, I talked
• 1:23:06
  to the Uber driver and I'm super nice to them, but as soon as I
• 1:23:09
  get out of the car that relationship is over.
• 1:23:14
  Oh my God. You just remind me of that
• 1:23:16
  freaking door testing. Oh yeah, that door Josh left.
• 1:23:20
  Ya know. That know that I love the food
• 1:23:23
  on the front of the dryer in front of the garage.
• 1:23:27
  Schnell garage. No, talking about something
• 1:23:28
  else. But Oh, you mean that guy who
• 1:23:30
  like, called the lady up the next day?
• 1:23:31
  I'm like, hey, you've been in my mind?
• 1:23:34
  Yeah, exactly. Like, oh my God.
• 1:23:35
  No, dude, you just like the man hater episode?
• 1:23:38
  I'm I'm not sorry. Anyway, back to talking about
• 1:23:44
  our lovely couple. All right.
• 1:23:46
  So Ed his childhood was different, so he grew up in a
• 1:23:52
  haunted house from the ages of 5 to 12, same house.
• 1:23:58
  Like he started seeing ghosts at the age of five?
• 1:24:00
  Oh no, yeah, that's that's when it happens.
• 1:24:03
  Yep. So he had a landlady that died
• 1:24:06
  in a year later, late at night, he was in, I guess his room, you
• 1:24:12
  know, everything is dark and stuff, it's got his closet door,
• 1:24:15
  starts opening up and it's always the closet.
• 1:24:19
  Why y'all can't leave these children alone?
• 1:24:21
  Like, like I told you. That's how you about that.
• 1:24:23
  Yes, look how always the closets positing your house.
• 1:24:27
  Yes to yes. No, for me, I mean, my story
• 1:24:32
  with the closet. Well, you have a closet story to
• 1:24:34
  us talking about Cassandra saying that there was somebody
• 1:24:37
  in her mother's closet. Grandma died in and it was a
• 1:24:48
  room, she died in and, you know, we're we would share that room.
• 1:24:55
  And like Some Nights the closet door, you could hear it just
• 1:24:59
  creaking open, nice and slowly. And opening, I just have to
• 1:25:05
  imagine that there's just ghosts who are trying to like, figure
• 1:25:10
  out their powers and they're just like, I'm gonna get this
• 1:25:12
  door open, and they're just trying so hard and it goes Creek
• 1:25:17
  and they're like, yes, I'm finally getting my ghost Powers
• 1:25:20
  because like, why are they all messing with the doors?
• 1:25:24
  I just need my grandma was just messing with us, trying to sleep
• 1:25:29
  like the pickles, pick one all of us so that I'm pretty sure
• 1:25:34
  that's what she was doing. But, um, so this closet door
• 1:25:37
  opens and at first, he sees a ghost orb-like thing, right?
• 1:25:43
  And it starts to slowly like get a human form.
• 1:25:48
  Oh, it starts turning into something and it becomes this
• 1:25:52
  landlady, who would died a year before.
• 1:25:56
  Did she say something? Oh, so no she didn't say
• 1:26:00
  anything but tell your mom to fix the pipe.
• 1:26:06
  But while she was alive, she wasn't she didn't really like
• 1:26:10
  kids. Aw, dang it.
• 1:26:12
  So, but she didn't do any time. She just had like aggressively
• 1:26:16
  child-free strike again, her resting be face on the whole
• 1:26:22
  time that he saw her. Hmm.
• 1:26:24
  And when she was a girl, She had the same face on and so they
• 1:26:29
  tell anybody. Yeah, yeah, so he sees her and
• 1:26:33
  she looks grumpy, you know, like she always does and she
• 1:26:36
  disappears. Hmm.
• 1:26:37
  Now he goes and tells his dad, this and is that total never
• 1:26:44
  told anybody about it again. So his dad, his dad was a very
• 1:26:48
  devout so and it kind of makes sense.
• 1:26:52
  This is that how he got more into the church then?
• 1:26:54
  Yeah, let me get angry. Church church boy.
• 1:26:57
  Um, is Roy and Lorraine. They got married at the age of
• 1:27:03
  6. 18, God. 18 years old. Whoa, he was in the Navy.
• 1:27:09
  Yeah, I thought so. I thought I saw their picture.
• 1:27:11
  Yep, they also had a daughter. I think.
• 1:27:15
  Yeah, really have a daughter. Well, yeah, they have a daughter
• 1:27:19
  and I believed her husband is the one who runs the museum.
• 1:27:24
  Now I'm gonna go think the daughter.
• 1:27:26
  Does it have anything to do with it?
• 1:27:27
  But her husband us because, when that whole Annabelle's, escaped
• 1:27:32
  meme happened on the internet last year, he was the one who
• 1:27:35
  like had to like make a YouTube video and be like she still
• 1:27:38
  here. Yeah, he didn't go anywhere
• 1:27:40
  y'all. I don't know where this came
• 1:27:42
  from, but Annabelle's where she always is.
• 1:27:45
  Sorry, so after World War Two was over, they were actually
• 1:27:54
  going to be artists. Oh yeah.
• 1:27:57
  You know, that I did not know that.
• 1:27:58
  Was their original location? Yeah, they did this for five
• 1:28:02
  years actually. Now I want to look up and see if
• 1:28:05
  they did anything good. So they paint it.
• 1:28:09
  What did they paint churchy stuff?
• 1:28:12
  Go see stuff clothes. Demons won't know.
• 1:28:20
  They painted haunted houses. Oh, so go see stuff.
• 1:28:24
  Yeah, they were paid on houses. They thought, you know, it'll be
• 1:28:28
  relatable. I don't know.
• 1:28:32
  Alrighty of their haunted house, paintings, haunted.
• 1:28:36
  I don't think so. I'm just think they paint the
• 1:28:39
  houses or just catch houses. Um, so this is how we'll go
• 1:28:43
  Edward, you know, research houses from the newspaper, he
• 1:28:48
  would drag her along and they would, he was SketchUp, the
• 1:28:52
  houses heard outside. And then he ended up talking to
• 1:28:55
  the people, didn't he? You jumping ahead.
• 1:28:58
  I'm sorry. I just isn't natural like you
• 1:29:01
  have to write. Yeah, you to confirm that the
• 1:29:04
  house is haunted. So what, what what he would do
• 1:29:09
  is the people, the owners of the house, they are, we looking out
• 1:29:13
  the windows, like, what are y'all doing?
• 1:29:15
  Where is teenagers doing out? Thought of our house, our UK
• 1:29:18
  Sinister going on? Are you okay?
• 1:29:20
  So right now. So you know, either, And you
• 1:29:28
  know, tell them what they're doing and then they would ask
• 1:29:31
  for more information about The Haunting.
• 1:29:34
  Okay, as I was wondering where were you?
• 1:29:36
  I was like they have to confirm the haunting, don't they?
• 1:29:39
  Yeah. so they would, you know, exchange the sketches, they drew
• 1:29:45
  for, you know, information about, you know, Haunting in the
• 1:29:48
  house and if the haunting was Particularly interesting.
• 1:29:54
  They would definitely, they were definitely paint the house.
• 1:29:57
  And then, you know, that's a good little write down the
• 1:29:59
  story. Probably.
• 1:30:00
  Exactly. So they can add it to your
• 1:30:02
  collection. So in the beginning ring was
• 1:30:07
  basically a skeptic like she had no experience with ghosts or
• 1:30:12
  hauntings. Oh, so at this point, she's only
• 1:30:15
  experiencing Clairvoyant. Yes.
• 1:30:17
  Not medium. No, not not go.
• 1:30:20
  See stuff. Interesting.
• 1:30:22
  I That the way that she was by the time, you know, I saw her on
• 1:30:26
  TV or, you know, read her stuff that that's how she'd always
• 1:30:31
  been. I mean, this is teenager now.
• 1:30:32
  So I mean, I can imagine like everything else in life, your
• 1:30:35
  abilities, develop and deepen, as you age.
• 1:30:40
  Yeah. No.
• 1:30:41
  They dig is her Clairvoyance. They get stronger as they were
• 1:30:45
  researching houses and, you know, going more in-depth with
• 1:30:48
  the ghost stuff in the spirit stuff or, you know, Hauntings.
• 1:30:53
  But so she is like listen, I can see the future.
• 1:30:57
  I don't know about this ghost thing I enjoy drawing.
• 1:30:59
  Yeah. So when does it become real for
• 1:31:02
  her? I'm getting to that.
• 1:31:05
  Now, Ed on the other hand, he was down to clown.
• 1:31:08
  So to say, like he was, he, he, he's seen a ghost before so he's
• 1:31:14
  like, let's get more to this creepy stuff.
• 1:31:17
  It's like you or me, it's like if you're in a clairvoyant and
• 1:31:20
  I've seen like a ghost Once in my life contact and sci-fi
• 1:31:25
  Travel Channel or something. But the problem is I'm far, too
• 1:31:31
  scared. Yeah.
• 1:31:33
  To be in that environment for very long.
• 1:31:36
  I would be the one on the go show who like something would
• 1:31:40
  like Creek a book. Did you see that?
• 1:31:43
  Like that's me because I'm terrified never mind.
• 1:31:45
  I would be like charging into the darkness time by the things
• 1:31:49
  act. I'm not no you're not back.
• 1:31:51
  Biggest. Cause I am Aaron.
• 1:31:54
  Whoa, I'm not trying to fight the ghost.
• 1:31:57
  No, thank you. Well, that's the old Zach.
• 1:32:00
  Yeah, exactly, yes. In the beginning he was trying
• 1:32:02
  to fight the ghost. You're right.
• 1:32:08
  Oh my God. But no, I'd probably be more.
• 1:32:10
  The more sensitive plus, it'd be from the original Ghost Hunters.
• 1:32:13
  You'd be neck. Yeah.
• 1:32:15
  You want to know the answers? Absolutely, definitely.
• 1:32:17
  I mean, been my heart. I want to be Katrina from listen
• 1:32:21
  the anybody who This is to go stuff, you know, I'm talking
• 1:32:24
  about, you know, Katrina. I want to be like Katrina, she's
• 1:32:26
  very like Brave. I'm not scared.
• 1:32:32
  I believe in this stuff and I'm scared.
• 1:32:36
  Oh my God, you got this, you be good.
• 1:32:40
  All right so even before and Lorraine were married he had
• 1:32:45
  devoured so much research into the Superman who know
• 1:32:48
  Supernatural and you know from his past experience of Course.
• 1:32:53
  So he was just he was like okay I kind of got like basic you
• 1:32:58
  know, knowledge of this so I'm down to like give you some
• 1:33:01
  answers. If the people at the houses
• 1:33:03
  wanted to, oh so they're like listen, you're right.
• 1:33:08
  This place is haunted and he's like, let me help you with that.
• 1:33:12
  Exactly. Have you heard of sage?
• 1:33:16
  Do you know what assault ring is?
• 1:33:18
  My God cannot just salt another sorting tonight.
• 1:33:23
  All right, so later on down the line, Lorraine did become more
• 1:33:27
  convinced, you know, of presence of, you know, super fun fact.
• 1:33:33
  This apartment has been staged also and holy watered.
• 1:33:38
  We hit both both sides of my family's religious beliefs.
• 1:33:41
  There you go. We've just sees her house
• 1:33:43
  multiple times. Got you.
• 1:33:46
  So, of course, who's people's, you know, who's people whose
• 1:33:51
  houses, they, they paint it, they wanted to know, you know,
• 1:33:55
  the cause of The Haunting, or more importantly, how does a
• 1:33:59
  Spirit manifest where does the Spirit come from?
• 1:34:03
  So that's the Like million-dollar question, isn't
• 1:34:08
  it? Yes, we're you spirits?
• 1:34:10
  Come from where, how do they manifest?
• 1:34:12
  So there's like in the book there's there's a bit of a
• 1:34:16
  rundown of, you know, of belief system on the of Earthbound,
• 1:34:21
  spirits of, you know, how they believe, Earthbound Spirits like
• 1:34:24
  manifest. It sounds so Earthbound.
• 1:34:27
  Spirits usually use a human presence to manifest They
• 1:34:33
  actually need that ties very much into the Poltergeist
• 1:34:38
  Theory. Yeah, so another way to can
• 1:34:41
  manifest, is the energy in the atmosphere, which is like pretty
• 1:34:45
  badass, like this is water. Yeah.
• 1:34:47
  Certain stones. That like the thing water,
• 1:34:50
  whether anything that's going on like nature, they can manifest
• 1:34:53
  through nature and that's awesome.
• 1:34:57
  I love it. Oh my God.
• 1:35:01
  And of course, the way they way that, you know, Spirits look the
• 1:35:05
  way they actually manifest their bodies.
• 1:35:08
  It depends on how the spirit wants to project themselves or
• 1:35:14
  how they see themselves. I'm glad that you said that
• 1:35:16
  there's one other medium that I watch her show who says the same
• 1:35:21
  thing. Yeah, a lot of people are like,
• 1:35:23
  it also makes me think about what we talked about last week
• 1:35:26
  with a trial, the witch trials in Scotland and that At that
• 1:35:30
  particular woman. The witch or she wasn't really a
• 1:35:34
  witch, but you know what I mean? She was killed.
• 1:35:37
  She presents herself the way she died.
• 1:35:41
  Yeah, exactly. So that's an interesting choice
• 1:35:44
  as to why she does that. And that was, oh my God.
• 1:35:48
  I forget what story I was telling you about.
• 1:35:51
  That was Scotland. Yeah, no, not last week.
• 1:35:53
  It was a couple weeks. I had it at about a woman in
• 1:35:57
  white, right? And is old rectory well because
• 1:36:00
  we kept because I brought up the question.
• 1:36:02
  Like why don't, why are there so many women and white?
• 1:36:05
  Yeah, it was a loser Valentine's Day.
• 1:36:06
  That's what it was. Hey, and she was naked girls,
• 1:36:09
  right? You she was trying to seduce the
• 1:36:11
  priest, right issues? She was reliving her happy as
• 1:36:14
  moment or when I her happy, you know.
• 1:36:16
  I've happiest moment of her life but yeah, and her name is Amy
• 1:36:19
  from the TV show. The Dead Files of forget her
• 1:36:21
  last name, but her name is Amy. Okay, but she also routinely
• 1:36:24
  says, like the way when she's talking about like the spirits
• 1:36:27
  of, she's like he's showing himself to me in this way.
• 1:36:31
  I Don't think this is who he really is, but this is how he's
• 1:36:35
  presenting himself to me, which is an interesting thought
• 1:36:37
  process, because I figure if your ethereal on that way, why
• 1:36:41
  would you choose to look a certain way?
• 1:36:43
  I'd be like, I'm a dragon. Someone some K would be.
• 1:36:48
  Like, there's definitely a dragon that flies around my
• 1:36:50
  bedroom like four times a night and the, the medium would come
• 1:36:55
  into the house and be like, so she's not a dragon, she just
• 1:36:58
  really likes that body. She's like an old lady.
• 1:37:02
  Who just died here? Oh my God, she's harmless to
• 1:37:05
  your child. She in fact, really likes your
• 1:37:07
  kid and that's why she's hanging out there.
• 1:37:09
  Yeah. I mean, that would be me as it
• 1:37:11
  goes. That is you as a ghost.
• 1:37:15
  Oh my God. Not vengeful at all.
• 1:37:17
  No, I would definitely be creepy because I want to scare kids.
• 1:37:22
  What what? Why?
• 1:37:24
  Because fun. So, in the book, Ed goes deep,
• 1:37:32
  Deeper on where one would encounter a ghost.
• 1:37:36
  Okay. Like old houses or farmhouses
• 1:37:44
  places of History? Yeah, it didn't mention.
• 1:37:50
  Places that were like, you know, during WWII or stuff like that,
• 1:37:54
  where they were built like on the shoreline houses built on
• 1:37:58
  the shoreline for some reason, that's a thing.
• 1:38:00
  Hmm, that was a thing and I'd be interested in reading that part
• 1:38:04
  from him. Yeah.
• 1:38:08
  So like I mentioned in episode 1, episode 2 and I think
• 1:38:18
  whatever episode. I talk about Letta Letta the
• 1:38:21
  Gypsy doll. Oh right?
• 1:38:24
  Ghosts can also be attached to objects.
• 1:38:27
  Absolutely, so and also goes into detail and talks a lot in
• 1:38:32
  this book. Let me just I'm just gonna book
• 1:38:34
  is called demonologist and which is his heir.
• 1:38:37
  Area of expertise. Let me just tell you.
• 1:38:38
  He everything is a quote by him not this.
• 1:38:43
  No at all. I'm just saying.
• 1:38:45
  He talks a lot. Anyway, So it goes into detail
• 1:38:50
  about how he Lorraine received some parts from Flight 401.
• 1:38:55
  It's a jetliner that crash and Everglades.
• 1:38:59
  Hmm. So apparently as soon as the
• 1:39:02
  rain touch the piece that they were, they received, she sold at
• 1:39:06
  the I guess the spirit Apparition of the flight
• 1:39:10
  engineer on that plane and multiple people like throughout.
• 1:39:18
  However, Only had this piece they would comment and say that
• 1:39:22
  there's a guy and like a trench coat pacing out in front of
• 1:39:25
  y'all houses. And so I'm referring to your
• 1:39:27
  house just walking back and forth and as soon as we get
• 1:39:30
  close to him, he disappears. And they're like, huh?
• 1:39:37
  That's strange? Okay.
• 1:39:39
  So Poor dude, probably feels guilty, so I doubt it.
• 1:39:47
  Um, so and Lorraine. Do you finally notice that this
• 1:39:52
  guy is the same person that Lorraine saw when she touched
• 1:39:54
  the piece of the plane. So, there it comes to the
• 1:39:58
  conclusion. That the reason why he's pacing
• 1:40:01
  in waiting outside. The, in front of the house is
• 1:40:05
  because some of his relatives are coming to meet with Ellen
• 1:40:09
  rain for like I Is a consultation or meeting, right?
• 1:40:12
  Right. And, you know, he wanted to
• 1:40:14
  commune with them. So he was waiting to be able to
• 1:40:19
  talk to her relatives. And yeah, I was like, oh my God.
• 1:40:25
  Huh. Awesome.
• 1:40:27
  This is great. I wish I could see ghosts.
• 1:40:31
  Not really? Yeah, I was gonna say no not
• 1:40:33
  really don't. Oh my goodness.
• 1:40:39
  So either way it goes in goes on to talk more about ghosts and
• 1:40:48
  their Natures I guess you could say.
• 1:40:54
  They do go into a lot of little bit from this one, too.
• 1:40:57
  Like it's just like the the second chapter in the book.
• 1:41:00
  Oh wow, yeah, so like this is our backstory zooming into the
• 1:41:05
  ghost stuff now. Yeah yeah.
• 1:41:09
  Now Lorraine back to Lorraine. Now.
• 1:41:15
  The Staple in any good ghost. A bit investigation is a medium
• 1:41:21
  or Clairvoyant, right? For one, they can actually see
• 1:41:28
  what's going on Nick and I should see if there's a spirit
• 1:41:30
  there. And 42.
• 1:41:39
  Spirits are naturally drawn to mediums clairvoyants, and if
• 1:41:43
  you're a physical medium they experience what the ghost is
• 1:41:49
  trying to express to them. So I've heard the lady from the
• 1:41:54
  show, I like, Amy talked about how the life expectancy for
• 1:41:58
  physical mediums is actually lower.
• 1:42:00
  Oh, so you can be a kind of medium who just like here stuff
• 1:42:05
  but like she feels like so when there, Trying to tell her like
• 1:42:09
  somebody stabbed me, she is experiencing that moment and
• 1:42:14
  that person's life. And so that's a lot of pain and
• 1:42:18
  Trauma to take in it yourself. Absolutely.
• 1:42:23
  Now I lost my place so was the rain like that or was she more
• 1:42:27
  of a head media? I think she was more the mental.
• 1:42:31
  Tokay, that's good. Because she did love a nice long
• 1:42:33
  life. Yeah.
• 1:42:35
  I'd hate to think that she sport like William years.
• 1:42:38
  Yeah. Oh my God, just experiencing the
• 1:42:41
  terrible things that happen to people that's awful.
• 1:42:43
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 1:42:46
  So this is what Lorraine did when they investigate houses,
• 1:42:49
  they would, you know, she basically like see if there was
• 1:42:52
  a spirit, she could feel there was one there.
• 1:42:54
  Okay, and you'll draw it out if she could.
• 1:42:57
  And they also say that she used mental telepathy.
• 1:43:03
  Yeah, it makes sense to communicate with Spirits as
• 1:43:05
  well. So, apparently Spirits, find
• 1:43:07
  this the easiest way to communicate, right?
• 1:43:12
  If they're, I guess an intelligent Aunt ghost or
• 1:43:16
  Spirit, right? Because we have residual
• 1:43:19
  hauntings. Yes the thing.
• 1:43:20
  Yes, exactly. Sorry, nothing.
• 1:43:26
  Okay. So as I mentioned before, the
• 1:43:30
  warrant would go to houses where you know, there were reports of
• 1:43:34
  activity happening, you know, just a small stuff, they'd see
• 1:43:37
  goes here goes there, blah blah, nothing big, nothing, bad
• 1:43:42
  um-hmm. But there were times when they
• 1:43:48
  would be called to a house and actually be of the spirit would
• 1:43:53
  be a tad bit more active. Is it that it wasn't actually a
• 1:44:00
  spirit. Okay, so they refer okay.
• 1:44:05
  So in the book, they referred to spirits and ghosts as two
• 1:44:09
  separate things. So what oh, you gotta ghost,
• 1:44:12
  which is just, you know, just I guess resembling that of a,
• 1:44:16
  yeah, human person. And then you have a spirit,
• 1:44:18
  which is actual like a I guess not physical manifestation, but
• 1:44:23
  like a no manifestation of something.
• 1:44:28
  Well then, what does he think of about?
• 1:44:29
  I mean, he is the book is called demonology, right?
• 1:44:32
  What does he think of? Non-human entities then getting
• 1:44:37
  there. Okay, I just now I'm just
• 1:44:40
  intrigued by his like, his perspective on this.
• 1:44:43
  I'm right, right, right. Okay, so let me see.
• 1:44:49
  Where was I at? Oh yeah, and you did the things
• 1:44:54
  will be, you know, more active in the occupants would be going
• 1:44:57
  out of their minds, you know, maybe they'd be terrified.
• 1:45:01
  Hmm. And like Durant during these
• 1:45:06
  times, people didn't fully understand what was happening or
• 1:45:12
  not really surprised by that or or or you didn't know.
• 1:45:18
  I mean can you imagine like every time like you're some like
• 1:45:24
  middle-aged housewife in like the really nice area of
• 1:45:29
  Connecticut, right? And whenever Were you wake up at
• 1:45:34
  327? And you're like, I'm really
• 1:45:36
  thirsty and you go downstairs to get a drink of water, all of the
• 1:45:40
  drawers in your kitchen are open.
• 1:45:43
  And you're just like, I'm just gonna close these and get my
• 1:45:48
  watch. You don't like, what's your
• 1:45:49
  frame of understanding for this. Like, why does this happen every
• 1:45:54
  day at 3:00 in the morning? Oh my God.
• 1:45:57
  I mean I have his at my house too, but it's only because my
• 1:46:00
  roommate is a child. No.
• 1:46:04
  Oh you mean your other roommate? I think you're talking about the
• 1:46:07
  kids. Just go down to the kitchen and
• 1:46:08
  grab stuff. No, she likes to lead the
• 1:46:13
  cabinet's open. Oh, if not shut them.
• 1:46:16
  Ugly room and walk downstairs. You're like, is this a go?
• 1:46:19
  Yes, all the time to. I do it all the time.
• 1:46:22
  No, I'm like, why are all the cabinet's open?
• 1:46:24
  Is there a ghost of the here now?
• 1:46:26
  Oh no. The was in her closet.
• 1:46:29
  And yeah, it's closet. So before I get any further into
• 1:46:32
  this, I'm going to just run back a little bit, okay?
• 1:46:36
  And say That. Ghost activity or spiritual
• 1:46:43
  activity, it doesn't happen for everybody, right?
• 1:46:47
  So like if a ghost is actually, you know, haunting a house, one
• 1:46:51
  person could experience at haunting, but another person
• 1:46:54
  could not experience at home. I agree with you and it's
• 1:46:57
  usually based on the person that the haunting is happening to so,
• 1:47:04
  say if A ghost they committed you know s word and this person
• 1:47:16
  as being haunted is going through some depression or you
• 1:47:22
  know, suicidal thoughts. And they're not just going
• 1:47:25
  through a rough time in her life, this spill, it would
• 1:47:28
  probably like latch onto them and it'll be more able to show
• 1:47:33
  themselves to this person. Sorry, that just makes me think
• 1:47:38
  about a thing that happened to me.
• 1:47:39
  Oh goodness. And I don't understand why,
• 1:47:41
  because it happened immediately after I visited a prison, maybe
• 1:47:44
  you're going to jail. I have never been to prison
• 1:47:48
  darling. So you said you've been to the
• 1:47:51
  jail, I guess, Eastern State, Penitentiary, you're going to a
• 1:47:55
  jail. Who's kidding?
• 1:47:57
  I just ask. That makes me interested in that
• 1:48:00
  situation. A weird thing happened there and
• 1:48:04
  when I got home, hmm, I also then said you can go home now.
• 1:48:09
  You can go back soon. Last one to you.
• 1:48:11
  They want it. They're like oh no.
• 1:48:12
  You see you, I liked you for some reason.
• 1:48:15
  Let me follow you for all that you can you can go home now.
• 1:48:19
  No, thanks. And then nothing else happened
• 1:48:22
  after that and they went home. I guess they're like huh, I
• 1:48:24
  guess she doesn't want me around.
• 1:48:25
  Okay, fine. I'll go.
• 1:48:28
  All right. Hmm. so, oh, where is it going
• 1:48:35
  with this? Oh yeah, people.
• 1:48:36
  So they attach to people for different reasons.
• 1:48:39
  Yeah. So people you know, they didn't
• 1:48:41
  know what was happening and they really didn't know Who they're
• 1:48:46
  going to call. And in the rain, when there is
• 1:48:50
  something strange in your neighborhood and in the rain,
• 1:48:55
  well, there's the Visible man sleeping in their bed and the
• 1:49:01
  rain Ghostbusters. What do they have a name for the
• 1:49:06
  little organization? A created was that called?
• 1:49:09
  I didn't say the book, I they had some sort of a little
• 1:49:12
  organization that they created and would help people who would
• 1:49:16
  help them with their investigations.
• 1:49:17
  I Forget what it's called. Oh my goodness.
• 1:49:20
  Maybe it's in the second half of the book.
• 1:49:22
  Yeah. So some may I want to go so deep
• 1:49:26
  in there. So I'm going to try my best to
• 1:49:30
  make it like just two episodes because goodness anyway,
• 1:49:33
  sometimes they we get, you know, they would they would be
• 1:49:36
  Spirits, you know, or goes And other times, it would be a
• 1:49:42
  little bit more. I'd say, maybe on a demonic
• 1:49:45
  side, a little bit, so people living here, they would end up,
• 1:49:51
  you know, people living in these houses.
• 1:49:53
  That would, you know, end up having activity, that was going
• 1:49:58
  wild. Well, the general consensus when
• 1:50:01
  it's demonic is not that the thing is latching onto you
• 1:50:06
  because you're going through a hard time.
• 1:50:08
  Oh, no. It's latching onto you because
• 1:50:11
  it wants you. Yeah.
• 1:50:13
  Oh no. Before when I was singing the
• 1:50:14
  last one to you at that's a spirit, talking about Spirit,
• 1:50:17
  okay? Like when you're in a haunted
• 1:50:19
  house and actual like haunted house, not a demonic house.
• 1:50:22
  No no. Yeah.
• 1:50:23
  Like the the difference there is very yeah, like it would say it
• 1:50:27
  was a demon. You won't know it's a demon
• 1:50:30
  beginning though. I mean they're stages, there are
• 1:50:32
  stages I think is like three different stages.
• 1:50:36
  Oppression is a good, there's oppression something else and
• 1:50:43
  then possession. I got two chapters whole one is
• 1:50:47
  like the build-up to So it's infestation.
• 1:50:53
  Here we go, infestation, oppression and possession.
• 1:50:55
  And yes infestation is when all the weird crap happens yes
• 1:50:59
  oppression is when it just seems like there's no other way out.
• 1:51:02
  Yeah, some people cave to it and go find whatever.
• 1:51:05
  Take what you want, other people try and fight it.
• 1:51:07
  Bring people and help them and then possession is the point of
• 1:51:10
  almost no return. Almost, yes.
• 1:51:13
  As you seen too many Exorcist movies but yeah, people who live
• 1:51:19
  in these types of houses end up being Ugly, mentally attacked by
• 1:51:25
  whatever is there? They would be worn the fuck down
• 1:51:32
  from the activity going on. And that's that's what they call
• 1:51:36
  like oppression that that factor.
• 1:51:37
  They wear you down. So types of spirits that would
• 1:51:44
  cause these types of disturbances or like, owner,
• 1:51:47
  whole nother level, do I even want to know their names?
• 1:51:50
  Their just, let's just the demons.
• 1:51:52
  Okay, good. I was like, please don't get
• 1:51:54
  into other names. No, no, it's like it fix it.
• 1:51:56
  I'm not really sorry. No, these are just demonic
• 1:51:59
  Spirit interesting. Lee enough for fifth or one
• 1:52:01
  aspect of the Paranormal, that I am truly afraid of.
• 1:52:07
  Okay, you can call these demonic or in, Humans beer.
• 1:52:11
  Yeah, I would say it's the human Spirits.
• 1:52:13
  I'm like, you know what if I see like hey Cal, what's up buddy?
• 1:52:16
  Like walking through my apartment like, whatever or like
• 1:52:19
  one night, I opened my door and I just see some random ghosts
• 1:52:22
  walk by like, that's a person. Like, that's a person that had
• 1:52:25
  human experiences at some point. Something that's not human at
• 1:52:30
  all. Like I said, I watch a lot of
• 1:52:31
  different shows and like that lady from Dead Files.
• 1:52:35
  Amy has described so many different things that are in
• 1:52:39
  human. Seem like outrageous.
• 1:52:44
  Like, at one point, this one family was talking about this
• 1:52:47
  being that they saw that was taller than their house.
• 1:52:50
  No, I'm like this. Huge like black shape that they
• 1:52:53
  saw and she was definitely like, it's something indigenous and
• 1:52:59
  it's a part of the land and it's older than anything else.
• 1:53:05
  She's like, leave. Yeah, I gotta go shoot like,
• 1:53:10
  Like, when she talks about those sort of things, that's when I
• 1:53:13
  get like, and the thing that really creeps me out about that
• 1:53:15
  show is that she will have a sketch artist draw up the things
• 1:53:19
  that she see my God. And they'll be the most bizarre
• 1:53:22
  pictures you've ever seen. It's not like a sketch artist
• 1:53:25
  drawing. It's like ghost writing or
• 1:53:27
  whatever the heck you call her. It's it's it's like a ghostly
• 1:53:30
  looking thing. Yeah, sometimes it's a thing
• 1:53:33
  standing over their bed with its hand inside of the person.
• 1:53:36
  That is bothering stuff like that really creepy things.
• 1:53:40
  So I'm like The stuff that is in human is where my actual level
• 1:53:45
  of fright happens. Okay, don't like people.
• 1:53:51
  Um, so these are different from your run-of-the-mill goes for
• 1:53:57
  one goes, natural scary. Yeah.
• 1:54:01
  Amigos can be scary to people to sing a dead person, float
• 1:54:04
  around. Come on now.
• 1:54:06
  So ghost, naturally manifest that any time of the day.
• 1:54:11
  Now, these other Spirits the witching hour they appear in, I
• 1:54:18
  guess the lack of natural light. So if you're living in like a
• 1:54:22
  house, that doesn't get a lot of light, or sun, which
• 1:54:26
  interestingly enough. Sometimes those houses even with
• 1:54:30
  the sun, shining through the windows, just seemed a little
• 1:54:32
  darker. Yeah, I wonder why because of
• 1:54:35
  what's? Yeah.
• 1:54:39
  Um, so, These spirits that manifest that you guys see
• 1:54:46
  manifest as like at first they manifest as a black being like
• 1:54:51
  not a bad person but like no. I know what you mean?
• 1:54:53
  Okay. Very dark.
• 1:54:55
  Dark being Shadow. Yes, people.
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  Yes. And something else I read is
• 1:55:01
  that these spirits they feed off of your fear is like the more,
• 1:55:08
  you're afraid the stronger, they get the more like the activity
• 1:55:12
  attentive eyes and after that it's hmm the van so they didn't
• 1:55:22
  notice that a terrible smell would Accompany these Spirits
• 1:55:28
  when they manifested. So sulfur.
• 1:55:31
  It would be sulfur. Nice or Rotting Flesh.
• 1:55:35
  Oh, or I'll know that smell or I don't know.
• 1:55:39
  That smell to know that the I'm smelling it or excrement.
• 1:55:44
  I know that smell though. Okay, so you got two out of
• 1:55:48
  three, you get your choice. How do you?
• 1:55:51
  How does Ed know what? Rotting Flesh mouth.
• 1:55:53
  I don't know, I guess you can speculate what you know, running
• 1:55:56
  flesh would probably smell like So it's gonna smell like poop
• 1:56:02
  farts or some unknown thing. We don't know what it smells
• 1:56:06
  like yet. There you go.
• 1:56:07
  Alrighty, then something dying. There you go.
• 1:56:12
  So the Warrens would sense, the presence of hatred when they
• 1:56:17
  like, right? Yeah.
• 1:56:20
  I'm gonna count the spirits. And most of the times, when they
• 1:56:27
  were called to these houses that were experiencing this,
• 1:56:30
  everything was And Haywire. Everything was already altar
• 1:56:32
  rails. It was a house in chaos.
• 1:56:35
  Kind of like the way that it worked in The Conjuring.
• 1:56:38
  Absolutely by the time that lady tract and in the rain down yeah
• 1:56:43
  it was all right wasn't the family.
• 1:56:44
  Like everyone was sleeping in the living room and they had to
• 1:56:47
  like lockley had to like wrap all of the door handles or as
• 1:56:51
  they would fly open. Yeah yeah.
• 1:56:53
  Like by the time they called it and Lorraine at that point it
• 1:56:57
  was bad. It's going off sideways.
• 1:56:59
  It was bad. So they count as fears, that
• 1:57:05
  were very vulgar. Hmm.
• 1:57:08
  They would say not nice things. Yeah, and not least ways.
• 1:57:14
  They could like, you could actually hear them speaking to
• 1:57:17
  me. Like, they can actually hear him
• 1:57:18
  speaking to them about things. Oh, and Miss, believe these
• 1:57:27
  Spirits made himself known. Of course, leaving upside down
• 1:57:30
  crosses and writing. Backward messages in mirrors in
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  the book. It's I don't remember what page,
• 1:57:40
  but I bet you, I can flip to it real quick.
• 1:57:43
  That looks like. Looks like you read the crap out
• 1:57:45
  of it. Anyway, on this page, you can
• 1:57:50
  see it. There's a like on this page and
• 1:57:53
  the word written backwards. It says demonic and underneath
• 1:57:56
  of it, they would like it even be bold enough to write deaf to
• 1:58:00
  God. Hmm.
• 1:58:01
  So Also not just otherworldly, but specifically mad at Jesus.
• 1:58:09
  Yeah, yeah. And yes, maybe I read that book.
• 1:58:13
  I don't know. Whatever doesn't matter.
• 1:58:15
  No, listen it just you, you. Oh my goodness.
• 1:58:21
  All right. And, oh, I left the best part
• 1:58:25
  for last. So, these Spirits would even
• 1:58:28
  leave. How is a bodily waste to be
• 1:58:32
  found? Wait wait wait wait wait how I
• 1:58:36
  don't know. So it will either be excrement
• 1:58:40
  or urine or even when they like manifest it they would be like
• 1:58:44
  he's our blood stain or some type of like bodily fluid where
• 1:58:49
  they manifested that. Oh I hate it.
• 1:58:51
  No sir but I like listen Ghostbusters is like ectoplasm
• 1:58:55
  how gross is that you imagine like you're just listen I've
• 1:58:59
  walked through the house and accidentally stepped on a cat
• 1:59:01
  turd because someone didn't like clean the I can't imagine
• 1:59:09
  walking through your house and you step on our people turd, but
• 1:59:14
  it's a people turd from a ghost because you're in a house full
• 1:59:18
  of adults, right? You're like, where did this poop
• 1:59:21
  come from? And everybody else is like we
• 1:59:23
  don't know. It was two ghosts or the spirit
• 1:59:27
  or the didn't, I don't know why that's more offensive to me.
• 1:59:32
  Like, I knew you would be upset by that.
• 1:59:33
  That's my rule is offensive part of this.
• 1:59:36
  That's why I wrote it last like Infestation.
• 1:59:39
  Okay, banging on pots and pans. Just being rude, waking you up
• 1:59:43
  in the middle of the night, but leaving behind See.
• 1:59:48
  And I get it, your demonic lose whatever.
• 1:59:53
  Oh my, it's just really offensive to me.
• 1:59:57
  Yeah, welcome to the house. CP pile.
• 2:00:00
  I'd be upset. That's the like the lease
• 2:00:02
  bothersome out of all of us will be upset.
• 2:00:04
  Yo, but how freaked out would you be?
• 2:00:07
  If you're like, you wake up one night or you come home from work
• 2:00:10
  one night, you walk into the kitchen, there's just a blood
• 2:00:13
  stain in the middle of the floor.
• 2:00:15
  You go upstairs, you're freaking out for you.
• 2:00:17
  Go upstairs, you Ooh, check the children.
• 2:00:19
  None of them have any Cuts or wounds you knock on your
• 2:00:23
  roommates door. Did you cut yourself in the
• 2:00:25
  kitchen or something? She's like, nah, you're just
• 2:00:28
  like, where did this Blood come from?
• 2:00:32
  It's just a nice little round circle in the middle of the
• 2:00:35
  kitchen. Please don't go home after this.
• 2:00:40
  I can tell a good story though. Cabin.
• 2:00:42
  God like that's like that's alarming.
• 2:00:44
  Yeah. So indeed these weren't human
• 2:00:48
  Spirits. They were dealing with These
• 2:00:51
  were so these are where their biggest cases.
• 2:00:54
  Come on. Yes.
• 2:00:55
  Absolutely. These kinds of cases.
• 2:00:57
  These kinds of cases where the biggest cases, I think.
• 2:01:00
  Yeah. And evil was demonic.
• 2:01:04
  Annabelle is hasn't a demonic attachment.
• 2:01:07
  Yeah. Conjuring was a demonic entity.
• 2:01:10
  Yep. Well, I believe the Condor was a
• 2:01:14
  demonic entity that was linked to someone who was Conjuring the
• 2:01:21
  occult at her home yet like and invited things in that then
• 2:01:27
  proceeded to like attached to other people who did harm on the
• 2:01:31
  same property. Yeah this reminds me that's why
• 2:01:33
  it's called The Conjuring. I believe the the woman who live
• 2:01:36
  there, who was the bad year, woman was doing what they
• 2:01:41
  threatened women within the past.
• 2:01:43
  Like, we talked about last episode witchcraft, she was
• 2:01:46
  actually, you know, trying to conjure real stuff.
• 2:01:49
  Yeah. Now, Like that little more than
• 2:01:52
  she bargained for. Yeah, this kind of stuff reminds
• 2:01:53
  me of that movie. The Haunting in Connecticut,
• 2:01:56
  that was a good one. I like that one too.
• 2:01:59
  When they held seances at this house at a house that was a
• 2:02:03
  morgue at once to I think you know I once was well okay my
• 2:02:10
  childhood church at one point we bought a building and it used to
• 2:02:16
  be a morgue. Mmm, never experienced anything
• 2:02:19
  there though. You know, one part I like in the
• 2:02:24
  book is that they mention that Houdini, but who's the other
• 2:02:33
  one? The other magician, this is
• 2:02:36
  Richard Price, hey, your price Harry Price, Right?
• 2:02:39
  Harry price. Oh, Harry price, you remember
• 2:02:42
  Harry price? Um, okay, have you ever seen I
• 2:02:47
  guess Michael Jackson's Thriller.
• 2:02:50
  Mmm, he does the voice in that 10 and then Harry price was in
• 2:02:57
  front of, you know, he's another one who was into exposing.
• 2:03:01
  Yeah, absolutely medium. And he also was loads of box.
• 2:03:06
  Yeah, he was a writer, he was in a lot of shows to and I beg I
• 2:03:11
  rarely specifically remember him.
• 2:03:14
  I'm being a character in the Scooby Doo.
• 2:03:16
  Oh, really at one time. Like this new Scooby-Doo movies
• 2:03:20
  or whatever. The heck they called, it was
• 2:03:21
  Scrappy. And it was, it's funny because
• 2:03:24
  it was Scrappy Daphne Scooby, and I think Shaggy was in it too
• 2:03:30
  with a hairy price and he just go investigating stuff.
• 2:03:34
  No, Fred no Velma. Oh, here's the thing.
• 2:03:37
  So did he connect with that? I believe he did.
• 2:03:41
  And I know they mentioned him once and I would Love like
• 2:03:46
  really Mill. His / know his look?
• 2:03:50
  I'm going into Harry price and when Houdini he eventually, like
• 2:03:55
  down the road. Oh yeah, I'm going to start
• 2:03:57
  talking talk about those because I just find that era.
• 2:04:04
  Quite hilarious. I just think it's great that
• 2:04:09
  Harry Houdini was like I'm gonna do tricks and Somebody like some
• 2:04:14
  medium was like, yes, I know your mother and he got so mad
• 2:04:20
  that he devoted like the next 20 years to exposing fake mediums
• 2:04:26
  because one of them tried to like profit off of his leg
• 2:04:29
  mother dying. And from that point on, like
• 2:04:32
  that is just some serious outrage.
• 2:04:34
  He was mad. He, he's one of those cases
• 2:04:39
  where your Thrive out of spite. Yup.
• 2:04:41
  That satisfied. He was like, how dare you try
• 2:04:44
  and use my own mother against me.
• 2:04:46
  He is mad. So okay.
• 2:04:50
  And then I don't write too much after us.
• 2:04:53
  So the Warrens, they would do their best to stay away from,
• 2:04:56
  you know, these kind of cases demonic cases because they were
• 2:05:00
  new and they didn't know that much about them but they did,
• 2:05:04
  you know, they did still do like research about it.
• 2:05:07
  Hmm. And these entities are actually
• 2:05:14
  what I will be talking about next week on part two, huh?
• 2:05:20
  That's gonna be I'll have to find another positive person or,
• 2:05:24
  you know, person to make us happy next week because I told
• 2:05:29
  you that's the only stuff that makes me gives me the Spooks.
• 2:05:32
  I'm going to be going into the demons dance.
• 2:05:39
  Some Things. And some never, anybody says
• 2:05:44
  demons I think about buzz feed themselves and I think about
• 2:05:46
  Shane Verde with his glasses. Hey demons.
• 2:05:51
  It's me, your boy, that's like the best quote from that entire
• 2:05:57
  like eight seasons. They have of making stuff.
• 2:06:01
  It's me your boy. Oh my God.
• 2:06:04
  You know, that's what a great like that's a great series to
• 2:06:08
  skeptic and a Believer. Yeah.
• 2:06:10
  I'm pretty, I'm pretty still on the fence of I mean I believe I
• 2:06:14
  don't believe pretty anyway. I believe I believe I on the way
• 2:06:21
  here I actually like coincidentally a was talking
• 2:06:24
  about demons in the scientific community community.
• 2:06:28
  Oh my God, I cannot talk and how I guess there's different types
• 2:06:34
  of demons but they're not that different.
• 2:06:38
  Yeah, so it's a different type of demon that sign.
• 2:06:40
  Just like refer to I'm interested in this.
• 2:06:43
  Yeah, I'm literally gonna google NPR demon please done.
• 2:06:47
  It was on this morning and it came on tonight too because they
• 2:06:50
  were eventually replaced up. It's almost that's right.
• 2:06:53
  I was sort of Divine Providence. Yeah, that's right.
• 2:06:55
  Listen to NPR fight me. But yeah, I was just like demons
• 2:07:01
  and Scientific Technology and how it helps somehow, but yeah.
• 2:07:06
  Um, but that's all I have for this week.
• 2:07:11
  Sorry. Leave you guys hanging.
• 2:07:12
  I could talk about more but I'm going to leave it there.
• 2:07:15
  Yeah, we already had a two-hour Mark.
• 2:07:17
  Are you serious? Yes, we did.
• 2:07:18
  My God, this was rambling. Talking about other stuff.
• 2:07:21
  That's all right. That's what the people are here
• 2:07:23
  for you. Oh my God.
• 2:07:25
  But yeah, thanks so much for listening.
• 2:07:26
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