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- Phill Rosen Voice Over 00:00:00 Welcome to the Living Loud and Proud Podcast brought to you by Disability Pride Pennsylvania. If you need a link to the transcript for this episode, please visit our accessible website at www.disabilitypridepa.org/podcast. And now, here is your host... Ellen Shimberg 00:00:16 Hi, I'm Ellen Shimberg, Chief Strategy Officer for Disability Pride Pennsylvania, excited to welcome you to today's podcast, grateful to our sponsors Highmark Whole Care. I'm thrilled today to welcome Rebecca Levenberg. She is a former special education teacher with 20 years of experience and currently an educator and writer. She coordinates the Amputation Support Program at Jefferson Moss-Magee Rehabilitation. And you can learn more about Rebecca on her blog 1000 Miles, my-1000-miles.blogspot.com. Hi, Rebecca, and welcome! Rebecca Levenberg 00:01:04 Hi, thanks for having me. Ellen Shimberg 00:01:06 Rebecca, one of the reasons we have Rebecca on today, is we're talking about travel, Rebecca is an above-the-knee amputee post-accident many, many years ago, and has taken that experience and not only is she a writer, but also an avid traveler. We think it's exciting to have Rebecca on today, especially since it is the last day of Limb Loss and Limb Difference Awareness Month. So Hi, and welcome, Rebecca! Rebecca Levenberg 00:01:32 Hi, thank you! Ellen Shimberg 00:01:33 What we really are going to be talking about today is redefining accessible travel. Rebecca is an avid traveler and tourist. And we want to talk about what it looks like to travel when you need sort of adaptations and some special treatment. So Rebecca, thank you. One of the things I want to ask you about is what kind of experiences did you have traveling prior to your amputation? Rebecca Levenberg 00:01:58 So I grew up traveling with my family. I'm the oldest of six siblings, and my parents, you know, I was lucky enough to go on a lot of cool family vacations. We used to go, we drove to Canada, one time from our home outside of Philadelphia, we flew to Los Angeles for the 1984 Olympics, went to the Grand Canyon. And we even, even with all those siblings, we often traveled with another family that had three kids. So sometimes we had 13 people traveling together. So, I grew up kind of loving travel. Even though as a kid, one of my favorite things was the hotel pool. So we were always like, 'Can we go back to the hotel now?' like all kids, but as I, as I became an adult, I was a teacher. So I chaperoned a lot of school field trips, I started traveling with friends or alone, I went to school in Chicago, so I did a lot of traveling back and forth from the East Coast to the Midwest. And really, before my amputation, I could travel kind of anywhere, anytime. So my sister lives in Vermont, and often she would call me, you know, she wanted to help with something or she just felt like a visit. So I would just hop in the car and drive up there, you know, eight hours each way for a weekend. And really, I just, I just enjoyed traveling, you know, anywhere, road trips, on a plane. And the highlight. One of the highlights of my travel career before my amputation was driving cross-country with a friend of mine after college, and we spent eight weeks putting 10,500 miles on my mom's minivan. And as we drove cross-country together and had lots of adventures, we hiked a lot of National Parks. And as a, in my later adult years, I would say in my 40s, I became interested in solo travel, which I had never really done that much of, and I was a teacher, so I had a lot of time, but not a lot of money. And so I started doing home exchanges in the summers. So when I was off in the summer, I would put my own home which was a rowhouse in South Philly up for exchange. And for two summers in a row. Actually the two summers prior to the accident that led to my amputation, I traveled to France, one time to Provence, and one time to Bordeaux. And I exchanged my home with two different families who came to live in my house in South Philly. While I enjoyed their home in France, I felt like I got the better end of that deal. Ellen Shimberg 00:04:23 I hope you don't mind. Would you mind just taking a minute and telling us a little bit about your accident? And then I want to talk about sort of post-amputation what travel looks like, and what sort of brought you back into the, what gave you the sort of the courage to move ahead, and start traveling again. So just take a second and tell us a little bit about how this amputation came to be Rebecca Levenberg 00:04:40 Sure, so actually, so on November 9, 2010, I had been a bike commuter to and from work from my home in South Philly to the school where I worked in Center City, for, I had been commuting by bike for about five years, and on November 9, 2010 I left for work on a sunny Tuesday morning on my bike, buckled up my bike helmet and started up the bike lane. And at Fifth Street and Washington Avenue, a truck was going through the green light as I was, the same direction on Washington Avenue. And the truck made a right turn while I was next to him in the bike lane, so I was on his right hand side. And in doing so, the truck ran me over and crushed my left leg, I have a lot of other internal injuries as well. And I was taken by Philadelphia Fire Rescue to Jefferson Hospital, which was the nearest Level I Trauma Center, lucky for me, where a team of amazing trauma surgeons saved my life. But they had to amputate my left leg above the knee in order to do so. And I also had a number of other internal injuries. And so my, my surgery also required massive abdominal surgery. So I had a long recovery after that, of course, and it was part abdominal, and part leg-related. I had to heal up from all my surgeries. I did some rehab, a lot of rehab actually at Magee Rehabilitation, both inpatient and outpatient. And then I was finally ready to be fitted for a prosthetic. And I was, I had to do prosthetic training to learn to walk again. And so that was a very long journey, I would say I had about two years where my health was very unstable, and had to return to the hospital a number of times. But eventually, I regained you know, my independence. And life is not the same now. But it does hold a lot of joy. And it has a lot of good things about it as well. Ellen Shimberg 00:06:52 How soon after your accident, did you start thinking about travel again? And why was it important for you to return to travel even as an amputee? Rebecca Levenberg 00:07:00 So interestingly, when I had my accident, which was in November of 2010, I had been in France in Bordeaux, the (unintelligible, 7:09) on a home exchange, I'm sorry, yeah, in Bordeaux, the summer before that, and, and in Provence the summer before that. And I had written an article for The Philadelphia Inquirer about my travels, and my home exchange, and the people that I met, the families that I became close to as a result of that. And that article was published while I was in the hospital from my accident. So it was kind of a joke, might not a joke, that was funny. But my parents hung it on the door of my hospital room, and my doctors would walk in and say, 'Wow! You've been busy while you're recovering!' But in reality, my first thoughts about travel, were that my traveling life was over. And that was really, you know, one of my biggest fears after my amputation, and I just, in so many ways, I had no idea how my life was gonna go on, I had been a very physically active and physically fit and healthy person. And now, I was very much the opposite of that. And so I just worried that my traveling days, and my independence were over. Ellen Shimberg 00:08:15 So what sort of spurred you to go take that chance and go back into traveling? And how do you do it? Rebecca Levenberg 00:08:22 So for, for you know, traveling had been a part of my identity, which really linked me with a lot of my friends. And as I learned to walk on a prosthesis, I, my aunt and uncle had sent me a necklace that said, 'The journey of 1000 miles begins with one step.' And that was sort of a travel-themed mantra, although I wasn't going anywhere. I was really just trying to learn to walk. But I use that to sort of launch this travel theme in my recovery. And I was going to measure my progress, step-by-step, mile-by-mile. And I started a blog to document that progress. And some of my friends were, I guess, they were kind of inspired by my blog maybe, and just inspired by some of the travels we had had together in the past. And two of my really good friends invited me to go to Maine with them for the weekend. And this was my first summer on a prosthetic. I've been walking for about maybe four months, just finished using a cane, you know, just started walking unassisted. And they said, and I said, 'Oh, I have way too much stuff. I need a shower chair, I need medications. I'm, you know, I don't sleep at night, like I'm still really in an emotionally not good place.' And they said, 'That's fine. We're just going to put everything in the car, including you. And we're going on a road trip to Maine.' And so we did that. And we spent a weekend in Maine, and it was difficult. But I realized it was possible, and with the right kind of support, and the right amount of planning, and the right amount of sort of letting go and being spontaneous. It was possible. And that was my very first trip with an amputation. Ellen Shimberg 00:10:05 So how do you set yourself up now for success when you're traveling knowing that, you know, certain accommodations need to enter, you can't go running through the airport at the last minute. So what sets up a successful travel experience for you? Rebecca Levenberg 00:10:16 Well, to start with the airport idea, the very first time I traveled by air as an amputee, I talked with another person with an amputation who I had met through my prosthetist. And he was, he's an army guy, so like, super in good shape and healthy, but a bilateral amputee. And he walked amazingly, he rode a bike, he did all these things that I wanted to do eventually, and I was a very beginning walker, but I knew that he had recently traveled overseas as an amputee. And so I said to him, like, 'Do you have any tips? I'm flying to Chicago for my college reunion, and my parents are going with me, but I've never been on a plane with my prosthetic, what do I do?' And his advice was, 'Oh, yeah, take the wheelchair.' And I was like, 'Take a wheelchair? Like you, you take a wheelchair?' I was shocked that he like, sat in a wheelchair anytime, you know. And he's like, 'Listen, at the airport, distances are really long, the lines are long, there's a lot of standing, don't waste all your precious leg time getting to your gate, you want to save, you know, leg time and energy and comfort for your travels. So wheelchair service is free, there's an escort that'll take you through, it's really easy to access.' And he gave me some of the details. And so now, whenever I travel, especially if I'm traveling on my own, but almost always, when I travel, I will access wheelchair service at the airport. And so that's the beginning of it. The other things I think about as far as setting myself up for success is doing a flight. That is if I can a direct flight, or the shortest amount of travel time possible. Because, you know, lag time is really precious. So I don't want to waste it getting somewhere I want to save my comfort and energy for travel for when I get there. I choose my seat really carefully on the plane. I like to sit on an aisle where my prosthetic is on the aisle. If I'm on a road trip, I have to allow for stops during, along the way because I can't sit for super long periods. So flight and transportation is a big thing that I plan for as I go. Another thing I do is, I think, you know a lot of people like trips where they see lots of places on a short period of time. And I prefer to stay in one place for long, longer time. So, switching to a new hotel room every night is really difficult for me because accessibility and layout of my living space is really important. And it requires adaptations. So if I'm not in my home space, I have to adapt to a new space. So maybe that means setting up the bathroom, maybe that means like getting from the bedroom to the bathroom on my crutches at night when I take off my leg. Maybe that means accounting for my digestion, because I still do have chronic digestive issues as well that I deal with from all my abdominal surgeries. And so, staying in a place that has a kitchen where I can get my own food, and kind of eat breakfast at home. So I have more of a calm morning instead of rushing out in the morning. Things like that are really important to me. I plan ahead for the location of where I'm staying, because I like to sort of be in the center of the neighborhood that I want to be in. So I don't have to take a long bus ride or a train ride into town. Because doing something like that every day is really draining to my energy and you know my ability to wear my prosthetic. And then there's, you know, little details like getting the right shoes and clothing, experimenting with things at home before I go, making sure that my body is physically fit for travel. So you know, if I'm going to be on a trip where I walk longer distances, I have to practice that at home first so that I make sure that I'm able to do that without getting irritations, gathering up medication supplies, figuring out emergency plans, you know, all of these things are parts of my planning process. Ellen Shimberg 00:14:22 When you're trying them. Are there places that you find that you will not travel to because of accessibility issues? Rebecca Levenberg 00:14:29 That's an interesting question. I haven't really thought about that. I think, I've only thought about it in, not in terms of specific places, but I don't think I'd be the first to sign up for, you know, a 10 day trip where you hit five countries, like, and you're packing and repacking every night. That kind of trip would be really challenging for me. At this point, you know, my needs change over time, I get better at different things and you know, you don't know until you try, so it's what works for me may not work for somebody else. Ellen Shimberg 00:14:58 What are some of your biggest challenges when you're traveling? Rebecca Levenberg 00:15:02 So my, I guess I've sort of alluded, one of them is that you know, I have this visible disability, which is I'm an above-the-knee amputee, I wear a prosthetic pretty much full time as much as I can, when I'm not wearing my prosthetic, I use forearm crutches. So there's, there's mobility needs. But that also impacts like my ability to carry a lot of eggs, or my ability to, you know, go up and down stairs. And not, it's not that I can't do those things ever, it's that I do them in a sort of limited, modified way. And then I have this invisible disability, which is my mysterious digestive system that works a lot of the time, and doesn't work some of the time. And it's sort of unpredictable. So while my leg problems create a challenge that's more tangible, and has solutions where I kind of know what my tools are, and I can, I can dial back or use the right tools to get myself more mobile again if I need to. My abdominal problems are a little more mysterious, and they can spiral into an emergency, which makes, it adds a lot of anxiety to my travel. So I think like the worry and anxiety that's involved when you travel with chronic health conditions, or disability is sort of magnified, in some ways. Sometimes there's pain involved, which sort of magnifies things. And then there's the factor of like doing too much or becoming exhausted during travel. Ellen Shimberg 00:16:31 Does the access to medical help in other countries, impact your decision about where you're traveling to? Do you sort of research hospitals and doctors, to let your doctors know where you're traveling to, I mean? What does the coordination look like? Considering that something may come up, especially gastrically while you're traveling? Rebecca Levenberg 00:16:49 Yeah, that's great. Great, great question. So, within the United States, I don't worry about it too much. Because I feel like you know, wherever I go, like health care, you know, I could find adequate health care for if I do have an abdominal emergency. When I travel overseas, I do alert my doctors. And basically, I say, 'If you get an unusual number on your work cell phone, can you please answer? Because it's probably a hospital in France,' or something like that. And I do, usually, if I'm traveling, overseas, especially check where the nearest hospital is, only because my problems are such that, you know, I sort of know what's happening when it's happening. So I most likely wouldn't need to call for an ambulance. But I could kind of take an Uber to the nearest emergency room if I needed to. So, so I do think about that. I also have learned, you know, in more recent years, since I've started, you know, traveling overseas when I can, is that Travelers Insurance is super important for medical care overseas, because my US health insurance will not pay for my medical care overseas, or sometimes it will reimburse me but not pay directly. So I will have to shell out money. So it's, Traveler's Insurance really comes in handy for that kind of thing. Ellen Shimberg 00:18:13 I would say that, you know, one of the questions I have is that if you plan an overseas trip, do you book longer than, you know, maybe the typical one week to give yourself a chance to adjust when you get there? Do you give yourself time? Or do you jump right into, your plane lands and you're off and running onto the activity? Rebecca Levenberg 00:18:27 Yeah, it's not so much how long I go for, as much as how I pace while I'm there. So if I go for you know, I, we don't all have a ton of luxury time to travel. So you know, if I go on a trip for six days, and I'm going to, you know, a lot of times when you travel from the United States to a European country, you travel overnight, so you get there the next morning, so pretty much that day, needs to be a restful day. Because I've been wearing my prosthetic on an overnight flight, which is way longer than I normally wear it from home, at home. So, so I think it's more about pacing. So I don't, I don't get right into it. Basically, you know, I have to get a day to sort of get my bearings, where I am, maybe find the nearest supermarket, get some food, I don't just land and hit the ground running. Ellen Shimberg 00:19:22 I am curious why you would, is it easier to travel with the prosthetic leg? Or is it easier to not have the, you know, what, what would be the difference? Rebecca Levenberg 00:19:32 Yeah, I think it depends. It depends on what kind of amputation you have and how your prosthetic, what your suspension system is and the things like that. For me, specifically, individually, I have a lot of volume change in my residual limb which affects the fit of my prosthetic. So also, I'm an above-the-knee amputee, so my prosthetic comes up to my hip, so it's not real easy to take on and off in an airplane seat, for example, where maybe a person with a below-knee amputation, even if they're wearing jeans, they can just kind of pop it off and pop it back on. So for me, the air pressure change on the plane creates changes in my body. And, in fact, that happens to a lot of us, like some people notice, like their fingers or their feet might swell on an airplane, on a long airplane flight or something like that. So, so it's easier for me. And this was part of the advice that my friend gave me on my very first airplane trip. He told me to leave my prosthetic on if I could, because it's less complicated that way, you don't want to get in a position where you might take it off, and then not be able to get it back on the end of the flight or how do you get around the flight if you have your prosthetic off? How do you get to the bathroom, you know, things like that. I always carry my crutches with me and put them in the overhead bin. So and that's an important thing for people with disabilities to know is that any medically-related equipment, you can bring on the plane with you, and it does not count as baggage. So if you have something that's medically necessary. Ellen Shimberg 00:21:02 Aisle or window? Rebecca Levenberg 00:21:03 Aisle for me, aisle for me, but whoever I'm traveling with, and this gets into, like how I travel, whoever I'm traveling with usually likes a window. And I have to often stand up during the flight because I can't sit for too long. So I never mind letting the person out when they need to, you know, take a break from sitting. Ellen Shimberg 00:21:20 That is, um, what do you define as accessibility when you're traveling what what is what are the things that you look for in other locations that maybe might not be obvious to the rest of us? Rebecca Levenberg 00:21:31 So I think, in terms of accessibility, it's just such a big word, and it encompasses so much. And it honestly means different things for different people. So there's no like hard and fast rule like this is accessible, this is not. So I sort of define accessible for myself as a compatibility between my needs, and what the environment offers. So, for example, that's part physical, right. So I'd like to stay in a place where I don't have to climb three flights of steps every time I go in or out. So if it has an elevator, that makes it more accessible for me. I like a certain set-up for the bathroom that makes it more accessible for me. Proximity to the area where I want to visit, that makes it more accessible for me. When I go out, one thing that makes my life more accessible is I always carry a backpack, and it has my leg supplies and my water bottle. And so in case of emergency, I have things with me, and some medication. But it's, could be part physical, part pacing of the trip, right, pacing makes my trip more accessible. So do I schedule, busier activities in the morning versus in the afternoon? I tend to run out of leg time later in the day. So I have a short window of energy. So I try to schedule if I'm going to a museum or something, I probably want to do it first thing, and then relax later in the day. The other thing is I might choose certain kinds of transportation. Like maybe I'll take the metro or the train or an Uber, versus walking to my destination. Because I don't want to use up all my energy getting there. I want to have energy to enjoy myself when I'm there. And the other part of accessibility for me, I consider to be mindset. So it's a balance of energy and rest. So what are my expectations, I kind of have to redefine success for myself as a traveler, I don't travel the way I used to travel, I can't go all day long. Travel now is not a checklist or a to-do list of sites to see, it's about doing less and enjoying it more. That's how I travel. And by looking at it that way, whatever I do when I travel makes it a successful trip. So I like to I really, really enjoy going deeper. So exploring my neighborhood, like a small area. And noticing the details of everyday life. I love meeting people who are in my neighborhood, becoming a regular at the local coffee shop, which is something I do at home and I, I love to do that when I'm away, like where's my place in this new neighborhood? And, um, it almost kind of makes you feel like a local, but also being open to possibility and the unexpected is something that I really look at as making a trip successful. So for example, I was in Paris last summer, and I stayed in a neighborhood that had a ton of Lebanese food and like Lebanese restaurants and businesses. That was not what I expected in Paris. However, I ate like some great Lebanese food and I even discovered Lebanese ice cream which is an amazing cool thing. I, I one time it also there was waiting for a cab on the corner and a man sat me and start talking to me out of nowhere and since I was I'm fluent in English and he was fluent in French. The conversation was a little bit stilted but a few sentences in he yanked up his pant leg and showed me that he had a prosthetic just like mine and so that was what he was commenting on! And, um, you know, it was so cool. Like you have to, when I slow down, it makes it possible for those things to happen. So there's benefits of going at my own speed. You know, one of my most exciting things in a new place is going to the supermarket, I love being part of that, you know, are going to, you know, visiting a local library, seeing what everyday people do watching, watching kids go to school, wait for their school bus or ride to school in Copenhagen, they ride to school, on the front of their parents bicycles, even in the snow. So it's just, you know, for me, accessibility means traveling the way I need to travel and still having an amazing time. Ellen Shimberg 00:25:43 I actually have a few more questions. One is what advice would you have for aspiring travelers, especially those with disabilities? Rebecca Levenberg 00:25:51 I, I would say, work, we're all different, and we all have different needs. And so accessibility is going to mean something different to another traveler than it means to me. And so they're gonna have different physical needs, pacing needs, you know, maybe adapting a different kind of mindset than I adapt. So my advice would be, you know, some things that have worked for me are talking to others who have similar needs, but are ahead of you in the process. So when I wanted to learn to travel, as a person with an amputation, I talked to other people who know how to travel with amputation. And since I've become a traveler, I've had newer people with amputations, ask me about traveling as an amputee, so. So that's really cool. I also would advise people to think about what works for them at home, and then try to replicate aspects of that when you're away from home. So for example, for me, like, not over-wearing my leg really works for me at home, so I have to pace my my amount of leg time in a day. So that will predict, you know, that will influence what flight I choose to take, the shortest flight or how I schedule my days when I'm out and about in a foreign city. Also, you know, taking a morning walk is something that I really treasure at home, and it helps me make sure my prosthetic is fitting, you know, walking more helps your digestion. And so that's something I try to replicate when I travel, I can't always replicate it. But those are some pieces of my life at home that I try to, you know, bring in when I travel. And so think of what works for you at home, part aspects of your routine and try to incorporate that. And then I would just, my last piece of advice is like, go ahead and plan! Like, the planning process is all part of the fun. As soon as you start thinking about a trip, or you know picking up a guidebook, or talking to people who travel because you want to travel, or looking at sources online. Like that's all, you're already traveling in your mind. And so I would just encourage people to go ahead and start planning, and you know, if you if you wanna do it, you can do it. You just have to figure out a way how. Ellen Shimberg 00:28:11 And I'm asking this question, because you and I, I traveled with you for the first time. It was eye opening for me. We'd gotten to the obviously to the the Airbnb ahead of time, and I picked a space for you that I thought was perfect. And clearly it wasn't. So I guess my question is, how can, what's the best way someone can travel with you? How does your travel partner provide support? And what do you look for in a travel partner? Rebecca Levenberg 00:28:32 Well, I, so I will say that we actually had a really nice weekend up in the Catskills in New York with two other friends at an Airbnb. And I would say, it's the thought that counts. So thank you, for they got up there ahead of me. And I was running behind as usual, because I had difficulties with my leg on the day that they were leaving. So part of adaptability is you go when you can go and so I left a day later and came up to the Airbnb, but, but I, you know, I appreciate you thinking ahead about what I might need. And my, my advice is just that, you know, I know what I need. So I'll let you know. And I will be truthful about what will work and what won't work. And there is no, no offense if I opt out of an activity that you've chosen because it doesn't work for me at that time. Or I'm already on overload for the day. So often, I actually, we didn't talk about this, but I really prefer traveling with a partner like a travel buddy or a friend or you know, anyone who wants to enjoy the same place I'm going even if we don't spend every minute together. And so, so it's, it's okay if you want to do something that I don't want to do right at that moment, and it's okay if I want to do something that you don't want to do. So both of us you know, both of us can be flexible and adaptable. I would say you know that's, that's the best-case scenario, and when leg issues and other issues happen, which inevitably, they will, we will both get some laughs and, you know, kind of take things lightly. And the other thing I would say is, you know, everyone I've traveled with also has their own issues. And so I'm not, I'm not the only one who has needs when they travel. It's, you know, maybe my needs are different than how they used to be before my amputation or before I considered myself a person with a disability. But, you know, we all have individual strengths and needs, and we don't leave them behind when we go travel somewhere. So just kind of, you know, I try to roll with things when I travel as much as possible, and my traveling companions do too. Ellen Shimberg 00:30:42 Before we come to an end, is there any piece of sort of great advice, or just what the takeaway sort of the end of this podcast you want people to think about for the future? For traveling, for folks with disabilities, for allies, friends of people with disabilities? Rebecca Levenberg 00:30:58 I guess I would, one thing, just that we didn't mention, which I think is a really good takeaway, and sometimes I forget it. So it was advice that my physical therapist gave to me when I was about to embark on my one-thousandth mile of my recovery journey, and I was super nervous, and because I was about to get on my bicycle again, which we had been carefully training for. And, and she leaned over to me and said, 'Don't forget to enjoy the ride.' And I always think about that when I travel. Because I think a really important thing is to just take the pressure off and go into it. Without expectations. It's not a to-do list. We won't do everything. Even, even people without disabilities can't do everything when they travel. And so go into it without expectations. And the craziest mishaps often make the best stories, as long as no one gets hurt. Ellen Shimberg 00:32:01 True. Rebecca Levenberg 00:32:01 So, so you know, just go it, when things don't go as planned, just think to yourself, 'This is going to make a great story.' And yeah, that's that's what I would say Ellen Shimberg 00:32:12 Well, I'm gonna say with don't forget to enjoy the ride is our way of saying thank you so much for coming and being a part of this podcast today for talking about travel and travel experiences, the enthusiasm and joy in which you approach travel, I hope rubs off on everybody. And if anybody listening out there wants to write in about their own travel experience. We'd love to hear from you. Thank you again for joining us. And thank you again to Highmark Whole Care for sponsoring today's episode. Rebecca Levenberg 00:32:37 Thanks so much for having me and enjoy your travels everybody! Phill Rosen Voice Over 00:32:41 Please visit our accessible website at www.disabilitypridepa.org. You can find us on social media @DisabilityPridePA on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok.