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Football at Four: How Can the Eagles Defense Rebound From Last Week Without Carter? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: and of course the Football at four today focusing a
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  Speaker 1: lot on the Eagles and Chargers the Jalen Carter injury.
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  Speaker 1: right now on a Friday edition of Football at four.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dive into Eagles and Chargers, and of course Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get your unique take on this because
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  Speaker 1: obviously the Carter injury has an impact, but you know
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  Speaker 1: this team pretty deep down the rotation, down the depth chart.
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  Speaker 1: How does this look behind Carter? How do you anticipate
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  Speaker 1: this kind of looking on Monday night.
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  Speaker 3: Well, however long Jalen Carter is out, is going to
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  Speaker 3: be pretty and it's an enormous loss for the PHOTOFF Vehagles.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to sure change it at all. Look,
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Carter is a force in the middle of that
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  Speaker 3: defensive line, and he even saw that even though he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't efficient and run defense, he was able to get
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  Speaker 3: to Caleb Williams. He had a couple of batter passes
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  Speaker 3: in that game, but he clearly wasn't himself in fact,
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  Speaker 3: in terms of run defense. I think that was probably
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  Speaker 3: the worst game that I've seen Jalen Carter play as
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  Speaker 3: a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, and he was clearly
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  Speaker 3: dealing with something. I know the shoulder has plagued him
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  Speaker 3: since really over a year now a training camp, he
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  Speaker 3: missed the first three practices and it's it's something that
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  Speaker 3: you know it was. It was evident when you're watching
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  Speaker 3: him not be able to disengage and maybe go around
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  Speaker 3: certain blocks instead of attacking him like he normally does,
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  Speaker 3: that he was dealing with something. Then after the game
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  Speaker 3: he said something that was a little bit cryptic and said,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's my problems. I'm not you know, I'm paraphrasing,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell everybody what I'm dealing with.
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  Speaker 3: And Vic Fangio of course confirmed that. So now the
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  Speaker 3: onus falls on Moro, Jomo falls on Jordan Davis, Byron Young,
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  Speaker 3: Ty Robinson, and they have you know, Gabe Hall on
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  Speaker 3: the practice squad as well, And it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: week to week, so we'll see where it goes from here.
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  Speaker 3: But it's certainly a big loss in a in a
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  Speaker 3: big spot for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know that Ojomo's play a lot. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: he played the most snaps of all the defensive tackles
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  Speaker 1: last week, one more than Jaylen Carter played. Is there
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  Speaker 1: a guy that maybe hasn't got a lot of playing
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  Speaker 1: time that you think maybe can step in and help
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  Speaker 1: this team out.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of hard to ask any player to
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  Speaker 3: be able to play more. I think they need to
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  Speaker 3: be careful about asking Morojomo to play too much because
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  Speaker 3: he's already playing a lot. He's a little bit more undersized.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Davis is having a really good season, playing a
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  Speaker 3: lot more snaps than he has in his career. It's
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  Speaker 3: hard to ask him to handle more. Byron Young, he
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  Speaker 3: played thirty eight snaps against the Bears. It wasn't good.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if he's in a position
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  Speaker 3: where he can really take on more. Ty Robinson has
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  Speaker 3: only played thirty five snaps this season. I've gotten asked
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  Speaker 3: about Ty Robinson Mike perhaps more than any other player
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  Speaker 3: that I can remember this season. Lewis Sceene was another
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  Speaker 3: one that comes to mind. But Ty Robinson six games,
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  Speaker 3: thirty five snaps hasn't been a part of the rotation.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard for me to say that he's going to
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  Speaker 3: make a noticeable impact without having seen him play much
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  Speaker 3: besides the preseason. And then they have the Typwon Graham
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  Speaker 3: on the practice squad who's been around the league for
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  Speaker 3: a while. Believe he's with the Falcons even a starter
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  Speaker 3: for the Falcons, and he's a pretty good run defender.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see if they either elevate him or Gabe Hall
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  Speaker 3: just to absorb some of those reps. But there's nobody
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  Speaker 3: that immediately comes to mind, because you're already that Eagles
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  Speaker 3: are already asking a lot of the top three players
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  Speaker 3: that I mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So, and obviously you know they've been gassed
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, just gassed, I should say, on the
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  Speaker 1: ground the last couple of weeks, especially last week against Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: So this is not ideal. Even though you kind of
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  Speaker 1: hit it that Carter has not been as strong against
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  Speaker 1: the run. They're gonna have to try to figure things
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  Speaker 1: out against the run here. And what do you think
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  Speaker 1: of this running matchup against this Charger team, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of a weird situation. We don't know if Herbert's
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  Speaker 1: gonna play or not. We think he is. Would they
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  Speaker 1: be more inclined to run the ball more or less
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  Speaker 1: because of this hand situation? And how is this matchup
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  Speaker 1: against the Chargers whose offensive line, much like the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of injury problems.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they would have run it a lot
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  Speaker 3: without with or without Jayleen Carter just because of the
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  Speaker 3: hand situation, even though it's on his non throwing hand,
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna want to probably try to alleviate as many
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  Speaker 3: unnecessary hits as possible for Justin Herbert. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: for Carter, I mentioned that he's been dealing with that
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  Speaker 3: shoulder for a while, not you know, in training camp
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  Speaker 3: as well. So it's the entirety of this season, the year,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, it's something that you hope that he can
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  Speaker 3: get it right and help the Eagles down the stretch here.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm expecting the Chargers with and they could have
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  Speaker 3: him Mariin Hampton, their rookie running back available for Monday night.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's the approach that I'm expecting a run
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  Speaker 3: heavy approach. I don't think it's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: very high scoring game, and I do believe that when
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  Speaker 3: you look at the Chargers offensive line, they have two
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  Speaker 3: reserve tackles. They lost Joe Alt and they lost Slater,
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  Speaker 3: two really strong tackles on the outside. Makai Becton is
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  Speaker 3: not playing well this season. But all that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: all that taken into consideration, I still believe that they're
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  Speaker 3: going to try to establish that run, especially based off
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  Speaker 3: of what you just saw in that Bears game. The
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  Speaker 3: Eagles struggle two hundred and eighty one rushing yards combined
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  Speaker 3: from Chicago, and I'm sure they'll pick their spots in
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  Speaker 3: the passing game. They do have a very deep receiving cores,
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  Speaker 3: led by Keenan Allen, Lad McConkie, who is a terrific
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  Speaker 3: route runner. Keenan Allen one of the best route runners
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL, Quinton Johnson's coming into his own, and
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  Speaker 3: Aronde Gatson the second is a player that I may
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  Speaker 3: have mentioned with you during the draft out of Syracuse.
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  Speaker 3: He might be a good mid range option in intermediary
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  Speaker 3: levels for Justin Herbert to get the ball out of
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  Speaker 3: his hands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I really liked some of their weapons on offense, specially McConkie.
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  Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy, Andrew, I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles have just never had that guy who can just
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  Speaker 1: terrorize you from the slot and just works the hashes,
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  Speaker 1: knows where he needs to get to. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles have lacked that type of receiver basically our
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  Speaker 1: whole lives. I've never had that guy, and this is
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  Speaker 1: a really interesting matchup. Who gets that assignment? Is that
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  Speaker 1: a Cooper Dejine thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a Cooper Degene thing. And Lad
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  Speaker 3: McConkey to your point. Not only is he a good
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  Speaker 3: route runner and good at creating space, but he's also
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  Speaker 3: good at finding the sauce spots in zone. And he's
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  Speaker 3: a very quarterback friendly receiver because he always seems to
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  Speaker 3: be able to shake open And I do think that
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  Speaker 3: that'll be a Cooper Degene assignment, a daunting one at that.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm curious to see who handles Keenan Allen and
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  Speaker 3: because he's such a good route runner, even at this
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  Speaker 3: stage of his career, and he knows how to he
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  Speaker 3: has a lot of savbiness and he's able to create separation.
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  Speaker 3: So whether it's Quinton Johnson or Keenan Allen, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a tough task for Quinjon Mitchell and Adorri
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  Speaker 3: Jackson if the Eagles aren't able to provide a lot
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  Speaker 3: of pressure, which I don't necessarily foresee because they do
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  Speaker 3: have the two reserve tackles as I mentioned, But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see how it plays out because they have a
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  Speaker 3: plethora of weapons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they like the Eagles have had some you know,
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  Speaker 1: issues up front and when their line is. When their
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  Speaker 1: line is intact, they're oh line, super Bowl contenders. When
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  Speaker 1: their offensive line is out, they are kind of middle
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  Speaker 1: of the road. And right now they seem to be
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  Speaker 1: a little middle of the road. Is with that offensive line,
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  Speaker 1: right is that where you kind of feel the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very beatable and that's why it's a shame
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  Speaker 3: that they won't have Jayalen Carter to take advantage of
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  Speaker 3: that opportunity. I think this could be a spot where
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  Speaker 3: Moro Joemo really is able to create some interior pressure
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  Speaker 3: up the middle. But yeah, I mean there you said
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  Speaker 3: it best. I mean it's a it's a an elite
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  Speaker 3: offense when their offensive line is at full strength and
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  Speaker 3: sort of along the lines of the Eagles, and a
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  Speaker 3: plotting type of offense that labors their way down the
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  Speaker 3: field more often than not because of the state of
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  Speaker 3: their offensive line. Which is why I'm expecting them to
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  Speaker 3: test the Eagles in the ground game first and see
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  Speaker 3: if they're able to get any traction there, and then
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  Speaker 3: that could be their most sound plan of attack given
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  Speaker 3: the injury to Justin.
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  Speaker 2: Herbert and Andrew Checko. Football all four a lot so,
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  Speaker 2: but this is you know, I want to.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we did see The Hard Knocks the other night,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody has their thoughts on what they saw. In
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  Speaker 1: your trying to read things there, I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of stock into that. One thing I
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  Speaker 1: thought was interesting, though, And you talk about the mood
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  Speaker 1: of this locker room at eight and four, going through
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a.
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  Speaker 2: You know, malaisee.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, you've been around the locker room in practice
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  Speaker 1: pretty much since the beginning of the season. Do you
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  Speaker 1: sense that morales down they're kind of searching for answers
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  Speaker 1: or does it seem like business as usual in there?
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  Speaker 3: I would say business as usual. They just have a
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  Speaker 3: very business like approach. And I know a lot was
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  Speaker 3: made going into the season to not rest on your laurels,
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  Speaker 3: not reference the Super Bowl and all of that, But
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you have to think about some of the
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  Speaker 3: preeminent leaders on this team and what their character is.
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  Speaker 3: And Jalen Hurts stoic, right, Devonte Smith same way. Look
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  Speaker 3: across the offensive line, Jason Kelsey's not there. He had
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  Speaker 3: a personality, but that's not it would be out of
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  Speaker 3: character for them to be like what you saw the
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  Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys now that's not to say that they don't
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  Speaker 3: take joy in winning, and you'll hear music in the
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  Speaker 3: locker room after the game and things like that. They
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  Speaker 3: certainly do. But knowing that they are very well aware
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  Speaker 3: of what it takes and they've been there before, I
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  Speaker 3: think that they just kind of approach it like a
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  Speaker 3: business week in and week out, while still having fun
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  Speaker 3: when necessary. But it's not like a young, upstart type
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  Speaker 3: of team. They kind of all follow the lead there
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  Speaker 3: of Jalen Hurts, and he's stoic and very matter of
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  Speaker 3: fact and business like. And I think that that's good.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good way to be. And I think because
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  Speaker 3: he's like that, you're able to not necessarily dwell on
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  Speaker 3: losses or tough, you know, tough patches of the season.
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  Speaker 3: You kind of just get back to work and get
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  Speaker 3: back on the horse and hope you get things right.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The opening scene of The Hard Knocks is when Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Graham is talking to Nick Sirianni and he says, one
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  Speaker 1: of these you know games, the run games just going
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  Speaker 1: take off, and Sirianni says, I agree, that's why we
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  Speaker 1: stick with what we do. Does that imply to you
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  Speaker 1: that they are stubborn and they do not see a
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  Speaker 1: problem with this line and they think they're getting close.
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  Speaker 1: And would you agree with that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's one way to interpret it. And
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  Speaker 3: I know that yesterday Jordan Malatta said that there's going
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  Speaker 3: to be some new things in the run games, so
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  Speaker 3: we'll see what that means. But I really do believe, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: you can perceive it, and rightfully so, as stubbornness or
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  Speaker 3: conviction with what works, and they know that they believe
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  Speaker 3: in their formula offensively, they Jordan Mylota said this so
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  Speaker 3: many times this year, where a hair offf we're close.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't look that way on the field on game days,
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  Speaker 3: but I really do believe that Nick Sirianni and the
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  Speaker 3: team believes in running the football and trying to get
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  Speaker 3: things going, and that they are very close to breaking something.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I look at it more as conviction
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  Speaker 3: in and doubling down in what they believe in terms
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  Speaker 3: of their ideology and principles.
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  Speaker 1: Fangio has asked this week about Johann Campbell's and I
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  Speaker 1: probably should have played him more. I mean, yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that it makes an impact either way,
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  Speaker 1: But are you surprised at like how because they're problem
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  Speaker 1: against the run. Dean had been the better player against
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  Speaker 1: the run. So I don't know how this camp, it's
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  Speaker 1: a weird situation moving forward here? How do you get
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  Speaker 1: him more snaps? Because this is a talented player that
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  Speaker 1: probably could help this defense.
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  Speaker 2: It just where does he fit?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he absolutely is. And even Vic Fangio took ownership
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  Speaker 3: of that. He said, yeah, that's I probably should have
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  Speaker 3: gotten them more snaps. That's on me. And I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you play eighty seven snaps, Mike, there has to be
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  Speaker 3: you have to be able to carve out twelve or
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  Speaker 3: fifteen snaps for your first round linebacker, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: was playing good football. It's just the Kobe Dean is
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  Speaker 3: a different is that a different part of his career
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  Speaker 3: right now where he is highly intelligent. He's mastered all
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  Speaker 3: of the responsibilities that are required to be a linebacker
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  Speaker 3: in Vick Fangio's system. It alleviatesimbility from Reid Blank and Shift,
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  Speaker 3: who's also a back end you know, a back end
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  Speaker 3: patrolman if you will, who processes a lot of information
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  Speaker 3: and helps a lot of guys get lined up. And
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  Speaker 3: for Nakobe Dean he's very proficient in run defense, wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the case on Friday for that same could be said
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  Speaker 3: for the whole defense. But he's also a good blitzer,
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  Speaker 3: So I think knowing that he's done it before and
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  Speaker 3: been there before, maybe you were leaning on that a
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  Speaker 3: little bit too much. And I think it's been at
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  Speaker 3: the well it has been at the expense of Jahatt Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: But you have to find a way to get him involved.
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  Speaker 3: Could be situational based. I look at a game like
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  Speaker 3: the Chargers, who they can throw the football round, they
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  Speaker 3: can spread you out, and that would suggest that there
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  Speaker 3: should be opportunities for Jahad Campbell to get on the
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  Speaker 3: field where you can see his coverability, his length, his
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  Speaker 3: sideline to sideline range, really be able to take shape
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  Speaker 3: and help the defense, because I think that there has
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  Speaker 3: to be a spot for him in this defense. They
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  Speaker 3: compliment each other well on in n Kobe Dean and
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  Speaker 3: Jahat Campbell because they both had different skill sets, and
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  Speaker 3: I do believe that you're going to see him get
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  Speaker 3: whether it's twelve or fifteen snaps. It's also worth noting
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  Speaker 3: that he played twenty snaps against the Lions, eleven against
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  Speaker 3: the Cowboys, zero against the Bear, So it was trending
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  Speaker 3: in that direction, and I think he almost needed it
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  Speaker 3: to get to that point where it's like, oh, we
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  Speaker 3: got to find a spot for this guy and get
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  Speaker 3: him on the field because you know he's a pretty
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  Speaker 3: damn good football player and can help help the unit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there, you getting out of here. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: two quick rapid fires one EPs. Is he the better
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  Speaker 1: option over Sidney Brown?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? He is, all right, and I just think he yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I just think he's more. He's fundamentally sound. Started seventeen
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  Speaker 3: games for the Eagles in twenty two and the postseason,
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  Speaker 3: and there's there's less guess work there.
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  Speaker 1: Would you like to see them mix more Bigsby ship
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  Speaker 1: I don't even care if everyone's like bigs b Bigsby
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  Speaker 1: Bigsby just because he has nine yards to carry, I
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  Speaker 1: get it. Those are gaudy numbers. I don't care if
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  Speaker 1: it's bigsb Shipley, just amit. Do you think they should
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  Speaker 1: stick with Barkley as the ninety five percent of the
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  Speaker 1: touch or would you like to see them mix in
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  Speaker 1: either Shipley and or Bigsby.
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  Speaker 3: Well, to be clear, I think Saquon should take the
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  Speaker 3: Lion's share of the work. But I look at what
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  Speaker 3: they did on that first drive against the Packers. They
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  Speaker 3: worked in all three running backs and they all bring
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  Speaker 3: something different to the table. And I think when you're
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  Speaker 3: an offense searching for answers, and you can't turn over
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  Speaker 3: your personnel, but there are certain players you can implement
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more to try and conjure some sort
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  Speaker 3: of creativity. Shipley in the receiving game, it's the best
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  Speaker 3: receiving back that they have, is probably their best pass protector,
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  Speaker 3: and then Bigsby provides a spark. So I think as
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  Speaker 3: those change ups, it should complement what you have in
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  Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley, and hopefully for the Eagles you can jump
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: start that running game.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll see if that gets going. On Monday
• 15:40
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• 15:42
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• 15:44
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• 15:47
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• 15:49
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• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Sports Bass Live on this happy hour Friday.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: A little snowy out there today, but I know that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: at the football this weekend, got the conference championships, got
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: some NFL very good slated games. What you're going to
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: get into in just a minute, Andrew.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Thanks man.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I'll be in LA this weekend, so snow for you.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Man. Take care of safe trip, take care of Mike.