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Ep. 242: Steep Dark Timber · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: show for you tonight, joined by Taylor McCall actual musician, actual, actual,
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  Speaker 1: Reallysi Taylor McCall's stay you from from South Carolina. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: stay close to that, mighty, I'll get close to it.
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  Speaker 1: Tell people how you don't like to wear your own
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  Speaker 1: hat just because you can't wear your own T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: You can't wear your own hat just I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you can't be called in t J Max well your
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  Speaker 1: own hat on I don't just can't be a tool.
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  Speaker 1: So uh that puts me in an awkward spot. You
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  Speaker 1: wear your mate eat or hat. Yeah, but you gotta
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  Speaker 1: you gotta. I mean it's not my name. Ye. If
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  Speaker 1: I had a name said Steve, I wouldn't wear a
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  Speaker 1: shirt and said like Steve yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You
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  Speaker 1: know this, it was like a different Steve yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What about a shirt that just said Dave, because that'd
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  Speaker 1: be like people that wear garage shirts with someone else's
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  Speaker 1: name on it. Ozzi used to do that heat being
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  Speaker 1: like the tight spandex like outfit wild, you know, good
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  Speaker 1: hanging out and it just say Ozzy and dazzles and
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  Speaker 1: like nobody's got the balls to be wearing that these days,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking the Blizzard of oz Yo. Yeah yeah, you fan, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my dad, that's what I grew up on. A big
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  Speaker 1: Randy Rhodes fans in the plane wreck. Yep, yep. That's
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  Speaker 1: how the best own go. You know. Um, I used
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  Speaker 1: to have a I used to work for a place
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  Speaker 1: called Quality Ain't its contractors and they did uh industrial
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  Speaker 1: codings and painting and all that. And one time me
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  Speaker 1: and this dude from high school named Craig comp had
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  Speaker 1: to go into a factory where they made auto parts.
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  Speaker 1: They made like rear view years and stuff for Honda
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  Speaker 1: or something like that. But it was in it was
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan, and we had to clean the whole ceiling
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  Speaker 1: like d grease from the car factory, in an auto
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  Speaker 1: parts factory, D grease all of the steel girders and
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  Speaker 1: trusses because they were gonna spray them. And they had
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  Speaker 1: to put that fire retardant spray up there. What the
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  Speaker 1: hell had to be prepped and we were and we
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  Speaker 1: were doing one section and they wanted it done. We
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  Speaker 1: had to do it just a one spell and I
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  Speaker 1: and we came in. First shift was in that factory.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Craig showed up. They left, Second shift came in,
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  Speaker 1: they left, third shift came in, they left. The first
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  Speaker 1: ship people came back, I mean Craig were still there.
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  Speaker 1: And I entered like a transcendent transcendent state, what's the
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  Speaker 1: word I'm trying to say, Like a hallucinatory state, that
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  Speaker 1: flow state. And we're listening to k l q UM.
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  Speaker 1: I'll always remember this. We're up in a scissor lift.
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  Speaker 1: And I entered such a state that I at one
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  Speaker 1: point said, I think they're gonna play crazy Train. Oh man,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you needed. And they played crazy Train, did they?
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  Speaker 1: That's usually the way it goes when I don't never
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  Speaker 1: listen to the radio, but if I turn it on,
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  Speaker 1: it's usually got to be something where that it goes
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  Speaker 1: right back off when you get that. That's one like
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  Speaker 1: streaming services are nice and all that, but you can't
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  Speaker 1: there's a thing about radio, like why do you song
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  Speaker 1: like good songs sound better on radio because you don't
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  Speaker 1: have the you don't have the acause surprise, I can't
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  Speaker 1: skip it. And it's like all of a sudden, like
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  Speaker 1: I could go right now and play Crazy Tramp. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like, he can you play that? Knock? It's I
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  Speaker 1: play that now? I mean that's what. Uh, that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of that's a good talking point and maybe get out
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  Speaker 1: on my My guitar work is uh, it's very uh,
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  Speaker 1: very unorthodox, even in Nashville. I showed up and it
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  Speaker 1: uh everybody in town really is kind of plays in
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  Speaker 1: the same format. And the way I grew up learning guitars,
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  Speaker 1: I never thought I could sing, just because I have
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  Speaker 1: a real deep voice, and you know, a guitar and
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  Speaker 1: a standard tune and set in which majority of the
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  Speaker 1: songs are in um anything on the radio song it's
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  Speaker 1: in standard tune and it's usually like a G and
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  Speaker 1: a C and D. You know what I mean. That's
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  Speaker 1: got no idea. Yeah, So I never grew up like that.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was like, man, I can't sing like that,
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  Speaker 1: So I just d tune these strings all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: weird ways and not really like that's not common. I
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  Speaker 1: mean some tuning is uncommon, but what I was doing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, people in town still I work with
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  Speaker 1: some great people and be like, what do you even
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  Speaker 1: play it? You know what I mean? Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even in that's what in standards, Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing even in standard tune. And
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  Speaker 1: you take that into you know, d tuning the guitar.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's uh, it's kind of one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where it's like if you don't know anything, everything's
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's your access. But you got to spend years. Fine,
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  Speaker 1: you know all that didn't sound good? What I got next?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, not to many people want
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  Speaker 1: to do that. You know the Leonard SKINNERD quote from
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  Speaker 1: one of the dudes, the Leonard SKINNERD was learned to
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  Speaker 1: play your guitar, then get sexy. Yeah, yeah, you just
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  Speaker 1: skipped right to the sexy. I don't know about all that,
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  Speaker 1: but we were tried. We tried. Oh you know, who
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  Speaker 1: can sing like a little Bird's Chester The molester. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's uh, he's I've seen him evolve over the past
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  Speaker 1: few months, playing guitar and singing, and he's getting good.
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  Speaker 1: He he did this, Buddy Bars just got married. So
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  Speaker 1: Chester Chester Chester Floyd. Yeah, I save him in my
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  Speaker 1: phone it's Chester the Molester because my kids they don't
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  Speaker 1: know what a molester is, but they laugh on my truck,
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  Speaker 1: says Chester the Molester, and I tell to call them,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, he got we're fishing your night, and he's
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  Speaker 1: explaining this whole story where he learned how to play
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  Speaker 1: a song, someone else's song, but Tyler Childer's song to
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  Speaker 1: get up and like serenade his wife at his wedding
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  Speaker 1: and at a couple of weeks it was a good performance.
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  Speaker 1: Well he ran. The problem is everybody thinks that he
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  Speaker 1: wrote it. He didn't clarify or anywhere in listening, so
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  Speaker 1: people are like he was talking about how people are
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  Speaker 1: crying and like, I can't believe you wrote that beautiful
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  Speaker 1: song for your wife, And now he's running around And
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  Speaker 1: then even after the fact, my wife was talking to
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  Speaker 1: someone who's talking about this beautiful song Jester wrote. So
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  Speaker 1: he need to do a better job in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so, uh, you moved out you lived here for
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  Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, that's what he came out here to
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  Speaker 1: be a fishing guy. Yeah, yeah, that's what I kind
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  Speaker 1: of have two phases. I kind of was telling Buddy
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  Speaker 1: last night, you know, around a couple of beers, just
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've had two phases in my life
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  Speaker 1: of just uh, I'll fishing and guitar, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: I feel like both are very had a tate of
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  Speaker 1: activities or hobbies that I turned into disciplines in a
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  Speaker 1: sense maybe I mean, I don't know if you call
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  Speaker 1: it that, but uh, yeah, I grew up when my
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  Speaker 1: dad just going camping and fishing, uh for stock trout
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  Speaker 1: up in North Carolina, in the Davidson and Mills River.
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  Speaker 1: And I just grew up catching that stock trout like
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  Speaker 1: if you catch it, you know, he was not born
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  Speaker 1: in the river you put you probably put it in.
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  Speaker 1: You know. We got help the DNR people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: dump buckets of just hogs and the and the river.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, I think Seth Din used to
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  Speaker 1: do something quite similar to that. Yeah. I used to
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  Speaker 1: help the fish commission stock him and then I go
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  Speaker 1: back and fish the holes three the big ones. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that last. Those fish last about a day. I'm
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  Speaker 1: catching re lease guy, but nobody else is. In South Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like, so you go catch the stockers, let
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  Speaker 1: them go. Yeah yeah yeah. And then Homie Coup would
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  Speaker 1: come down the river and just take it back. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we had people all kinds of people casting that the river.
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  Speaker 1: You just walk up like, man, come home man. You know,
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  Speaker 1: even in the delayed harvest. It's like here, my dad
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  Speaker 1: pulled a gun on somebody one day because he was
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  Speaker 1: doing that. Just worked him up just I probably shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: said him up. Pistol whipped him. No, no, no, I
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  Speaker 1: just worked him up just because we always I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: just Dad's down there with the pistol. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do a little fish, yeah yeah yeah. Statue of limitations
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  Speaker 1: good and this guy yeah, and then he's got this
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  Speaker 1: cooler full of fish and he's like, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing man? Kind of you know he uh,
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  Speaker 1: long story shore, he took that cooler. Fish, don't be
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  Speaker 1: back in the river. He's like, I'm calling d n
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  Speaker 1: R right now, just just because back home we have
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  Speaker 1: one good little place we can fish, and everybody just
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  Speaker 1: messes it up, it seems like, So tell me the
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  Speaker 1: pistol pulling story though, So like, okay, so there you are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah, because the guy thought he was
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  Speaker 1: a police and you know, he obviously wasn't. So um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get like, I mean, he did he
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  Speaker 1: pull it on him like this, but I mean he
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  Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that's what you
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  Speaker 1: would call it. And then the guy dumped the fish off. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he took off him and him and two other people, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then it took out an hour for
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  Speaker 1: game ward and get there, and then they found him
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  Speaker 1: on down the river. So it's just not legal to
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  Speaker 1: fish that way at all. Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know general a general American rule of thumb
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  Speaker 1: that this is the generalization you generally dasn't be casting
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  Speaker 1: netting in fresh water, especially table you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I grew up fishing kind of streams,
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  Speaker 1: you know, no bigger than this room. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was you know, you could that was the big water.
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  Speaker 1: And then I came out here and realized those are
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  Speaker 1: just little little creeks. Back home, but uh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: graduated high school in two thousand and fifteen and uh
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  Speaker 1: seventeen at the time, and just moved out here. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know anybody, and uh the first week I was here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just started fishing, fishing my way out of
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  Speaker 1: school pretty much two years. So you enrolled in school, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but Montana State flunked out. Yeah yeah, yeah. I just
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  Speaker 1: couldn't pass myth at all. So I was like, man,
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  Speaker 1: might as well be getting some enjoyment out of being here.
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  Speaker 1: So then you took off yeah yeah on the river. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was here for two years and got two years
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  Speaker 1: worth a good fishing in and uh yeah, man, just
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  Speaker 1: loved it as a good place for a seventeen year
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  Speaker 1: old to come figure it out and you know, not
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  Speaker 1: get in trouble. I feel out there's uh I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: there's like three cops in town compared to everywhere else
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  Speaker 1: back home. So it's a good place for a kid
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  Speaker 1: not to get in trouble in a sense. You feel
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  Speaker 1: there's a low cop per criminal ratio out here. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about the criminal ratio, but definitely definitely
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, just little cops, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You can be walking down the road, but it's interesting perspective. Ever,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'll tell you, well, I do kind of notice
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit because I think that, uh, New Mexico,
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  Speaker 1: the the depth and variety of law enforcement agencies that
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  Speaker 1: maintain a presence in New Mexico was staggering, like in
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  Speaker 1: a in a they have a heavy presence, just every lawn,
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  Speaker 1: everything imaginable. Yeah, because they got a buller patrol down
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  Speaker 1: just like every other car. You know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I can make it down there. So you break
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  Speaker 1: a lot of loss, yeah, I mean, yeah, do it elegantly,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not a violator. No, not a game, no,
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  Speaker 1: not a no, not at all, just you know, not
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  Speaker 1: anything in the hunting fishing world breaking as at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. Um. He was gonna ask then
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  Speaker 1: he left because you had a girlfriend somewhere. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: I I had like a girlfriend back home and uh
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  Speaker 1: pretty much uh like you left her to come here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I left her to come here, and then thanks got
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  Speaker 1: kind of think of it that way. Uh yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: that was even before we met. It was one of
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  Speaker 1: those things. Uh, it was always my dream to come
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  Speaker 1: out here, and so when I left, it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like eating my dream in my face coming back
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  Speaker 1: and I got back and I was like, what did
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  Speaker 1: I just do? You know what I mean? And so
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  Speaker 1: I enrolled after I was here at Montana State, I
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  Speaker 1: pretty much sold my clack of craft and went back home.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, the clack of craft got those seven songs
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  Speaker 1: right there, and uh, well you wrote these songs on
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  Speaker 1: this and that like that the soul the clack of craft,
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  Speaker 1: and that paid for that. So my parents didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know I sang until I got back after after college,
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  Speaker 1: and uh pretty much spiraled into this this project Jericho
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  Speaker 1: Rose that tune as Uh, it's about Montana and my
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  Speaker 1: experience leaving. Uh I was in it's kind of all
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  Speaker 1: it all works out in a sense. Uh enrolled at
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  Speaker 1: a community college back home after I came back, and
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  Speaker 1: how to take I mean this tells you how far
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  Speaker 1: along I was in school. I take our one oh
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  Speaker 1: one my third year, you know what I mean? That
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  Speaker 1: most people ain't be doing that, Yeah, running behind And
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  Speaker 1: uh it was all for a reason though, because I
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  Speaker 1: learned about this thing one day called the Rose of Jericho,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, man, that kind of perked my ears.
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  Speaker 1: It's uh it's a um, it's got all these supers Jericho? Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but this is like, h isn't that? Where was Saul
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  Speaker 1: who was on the way to Jericho when he got blinded?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure the Bible, I'm not sure is that Jericho?
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  Speaker 1: Someone type that up? I can't talking room full of pagans. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: there's a guy in the Bible who is uh not cool,
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  Speaker 1: and they blind him, changes his ways? Wasn't he heading
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  Speaker 1: to Jericho? Man? Seth? Really you don't know? Seth? No,
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  Speaker 1: I should know. My grandmother would be upset with me.
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  Speaker 1: The lay some Bible learning on you guys. You take
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  Speaker 1: huge stop talking a US a bit while I lay
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  Speaker 1: some Bible lay. Okay, check this out. We've been talking
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  Speaker 1: a lot about this, uh, this thing called the ass movement,
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  Speaker 1: anti surface shipping movement, getting people to stop going relieving
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  Speaker 1: themselves out in the bury it out in the woods
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  Speaker 1: and long trails and a trailheads and whatnot, just to
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  Speaker 1: generally reduce the Now that the whole world has a dog,
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  Speaker 1: it's bad enough of dogs. Then you add all the
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  Speaker 1: people stuff in there, all the people excrement um. This
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  Speaker 1: guy sends a thing in Dotero from deuterotomy to fourteen
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  Speaker 1: this is in the Bible. You shall have a place
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  Speaker 1: outside the camp, and you shall go out to it,
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  Speaker 1: and you shall have a trowel with you, sit down outside,
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  Speaker 1: you shall dig a hole with it and turn back
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  Speaker 1: and cover up your excrement. For the Lord your God
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  Speaker 1: moves around your camp by night. I like it, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is no way that's true. There's
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  Speaker 1: no way that's true. And so I did some searching,
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  Speaker 1: and it is true. And I'll tell you here's another
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  Speaker 1: I was like, is that really true? So I looked
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  Speaker 1: up and here's another translation, same thing. Deuterotomy. This is
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  Speaker 1: from the new International version Deuterotomy to fourteen. Designate a
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  Speaker 1: place outside the camp where you can go to relieve
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  Speaker 1: yourself as part of your equipment, have something to dig with,
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  Speaker 1: and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover
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  Speaker 1: up your excrement. For the Lord your God moves about
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  Speaker 1: in your camp to protect you and to deliver your
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  Speaker 1: enemies to you. Your camp must be holy so that
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  Speaker 1: he not see among you anything indecent and turn away
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  Speaker 1: from you. That's a fact. I bet the dude from
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  Speaker 1: the founder that asked movement, doesn't he know about that?
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  Speaker 1: Was he headed to Jericho Saul, and he changed after
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  Speaker 1: this happened, he changed his name to Paul. The Road
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  Speaker 1: to Jericho. I looked it up. It says Jesus when
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  Speaker 1: he was passing through Jericho. Um, he cured two blind men.
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  Speaker 1: Now yeah, and the Road to Jericho is like this
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  Speaker 1: very dangerous road that was beset by robbers. And is
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  Speaker 1: that your own word? Yep, it is. Um. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was just like a dangerous road and it had something
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  Speaker 1: to do with the Samaritans and the Jews. And I
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  Speaker 1: didn't see anything about Saul or Paul. Yeah, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: seeing soul. No, never mind. But yeah, anyways, you found
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  Speaker 1: out about the rules. It's pretty much this desert desert
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  Speaker 1: plant and meant like like why the word Jericho in
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  Speaker 1: there but the desert plant. Yeah. Yeah, so it's got
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  Speaker 1: all these superstitions, and uh, for me, my writing process
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  Speaker 1: really started. Uh I'm not I don't do it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm always grew up. I could barely read in front
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  Speaker 1: of the class, always a real shy guy, you know. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And pretty much the way I came into music was natural.
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  Speaker 1: Its therapy and uh, you know, hard times kind of
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  Speaker 1: that's what comes out. And uh that perked my ears
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  Speaker 1: up when I hear hear anything interesting like that. And
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  Speaker 1: that was the first kind of you know, real phrase
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  Speaker 1: or you know, just that play just language. You know
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  Speaker 1: that I don't perks the hair in your years, if
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I started reading
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: into it, and you know, if you put water on
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: this plant, it comes back to life, and it's got
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: all these like superstitions, and I was like, that's kind
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: of like my experience, you know, out in Montanio. If
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you read the lyrics, it's, uh, it's pretty much a
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: poetry about you know, having a second chance in a way,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and uh that gets it up. Um, are you gonna
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: sing that one later? A different one? I'm anost singing
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: y'all some new stuff the whole world. Anything that the
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: world has ever heard has literally been the first songs
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that anything that's out is the first songs I wrote.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And since then, um, you know, I've got over eighty
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: songs I've written last two years. And uh you still fish?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what the dream is to do this
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to where we can fish you know all the time.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Are you regarded as like a song factory? That sounds
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of music at this point at this point,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I can't pick up a guitar and just play it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: It's always you know, uh, you know, because I hear
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: things and like words just come out in a way. Um.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And especially it's like building a muscle. Um. I don't know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I've become obsessed with it keeps me up not but
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that's how you get get going. I mean, do you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: have peers that are cranking out eighties songs? Most people?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Are you spitting into that cup there? Just a little
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: bit of grizzly if that's that's if that's that's fine.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Grizzly our friend dirt myth Uh he doesn't choose grizz
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: he says no, he says, uh no, I got a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: good job. He choose what's it you? That was my
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: original because I was a long cut guy for a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: long cough time. The Copenhagen was my favorite. But uh,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they don't make good pouches, you know. And I can
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: sound check with it. So you got a pouch in area.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: You see it right here up there, but nobody ever
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: knows tucked in there? Well, I know you gotta and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you're spitting into it. Yeah, you'll swallow it. Occasionally we
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: had a guy right in he works with. He's a
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: deer researcher. I think he's in Pennsylvania. And he said,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: when he goes into that deer pen, you can't bring
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: your dipping. What was that you said, they'll tear the
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: pocket right off your jeans to get that dip out
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to put that on a commercial. He said, if you
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: put Levi Garrett in your back pocket, he said, they'll
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: rip your pants. Starts hanging tree stands. He makes some
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: like Premos products or something out of that. They'll be
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: like little pellets as it kind of frowned upon to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: be uh, you know in a stand with that. You know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: does that repeale uh anything? I don't know. What do
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you think I mean when I when I used to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: cheer it, I had no problem being in the standard
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in the field with it. Um. I don't know. I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: don't think it's laying down that much sin. Yeah, you
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: think you'll end up catching lip cancer. I'm gonna quit
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: here soon. Yeah. Yeah, you should get with dirt. You
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: guys could just hang out and chew. Yeah. We should
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: have called him up and hand to come over. That's
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: what I mean. These people got in the East sig bars.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was a weird idea of
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: what people just went somewhere and dip you know, kind
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: of like a dip ball. That's the way, like a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: little water. Am most people getting some good sleep, like
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a cigar like I remember had through a work thing.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: One of the worst things that ever happened. He was
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I had to go to a cigar bar and like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that grizzly reminds me of that Ransack
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: cabin in Alaska because the only thing that wasn't to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: our part was a couple of cans of grizzly, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Buck was thrilled to see that grizzly sitting there. I'll
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: tell you another interesting about that ran we got. We
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: were in a we slept in a cabin that had
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: been a bear had moved into it, and oh my god. Oh,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: if you want to go look, go to Instagram. You'll
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: see a video of this cabin at Stephen Ronella your
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: scroll back. I mean, this cabin got destroyed, yeah, by
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a bear. Um and this bear would bite everything open.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: But what's funny is he didn't figure out there's all
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: these glass jars of salmon, and he bit all the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: canned I don't know what it is he bit like
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: if he was a can of mean beans, he'd chew
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it open. The salmon glass, jars of salmon never touched.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't figure out like it blows my mind, and he
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: put everything open. And the other thing laying on the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: ground amongst all this junk is a can of bear
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: spray that he never sunk a tooth into. Like the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: fact that he's smelling through a can that doesn't make sense. Man,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how they did with how that bear
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: did what he did eight coffee. I've had an experience
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: real close with a with a couple back home, three mom,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: bear and two cubs, and you know it's, you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: real close to us. I got in nice. Sure they
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: love some sugar cookies that this bear was so good.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He got into a bag of Halloween candy, like fun
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: sized candy bars. This is something you think he just
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: eat the candy bar. I don't know. He must have
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: taken his little claw. He would eat the candy bars
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and leave the empty rappers. Man, however, he managed to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: do that like little It looked like a human being
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: opened up all these candy bars and the rappers are gone.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Some stuff he got burned out on like he got
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: into a bunch of dry pasta but left some dry posta.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: But after I was like, I can't handle the dry
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: posta anymore. Yeah, there's a couple of little packets of folders,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: uh single like tea bags, and Steve, Steve used those.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Well I chickened out in the end. Everybody's like, can't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: let you got drink that because I use no, because
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: here's what happened when I opened it up. They had
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: been corrupted and they had been soaked inside. And then
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, who cares? And I was like it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: was probably Bear pissed. I don't know. I didn't need him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I thought it was Buck had some of that. He
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: had some of that black that black rifle coffee black powder.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: He had two of those in his pocket. I didn't
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: tell anybody about that. I didn't know. I thought you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: were drinking that folder stuff. No. So this is kind
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of funny because um, we're rafting down the river and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Bucks got a friend that's got a cabin and and uh,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go up there, so I don't bring any Bucks. Like, well,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: instead of carrying stuff up there, we're gonna hike up
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to this cab instead of carrying stuff up there. I'll
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: replace there's food there, and then I'll make sure to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: replace anything that's there. And then I remember Seth being like, man,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like we should bring some food.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And I remember shooting him down be like no, man,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: we got a whole plan, you know. And we get
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: up there and it's like yeah, like nothing nothing, no coffee, yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: no dinner, no breakfast, nothing. This place was ransack. That's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the worst mindset that I think you're gonna replace. That's like, uh,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't replay stuff? When he hung over, Hey,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: what do you think of this? Right here? That's what
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I saw this morning. So we had a guest on,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Bob Reid, who's a Burmese python expert, and I got
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: talking about snake oil and we're talking about how, you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: people say a snake oil salesman. Well, it's longer that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I was talking about how these guys we met in
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: South America were saying that you can take the oil
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: from what was that snake down there? The Anacondas right
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: green Ana Connor. I don't know, is this a trip
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that I was on. I remember this this one when
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: your first time down there with anaconda like thirteen sixteen
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: eighteen foot snakes. And the dude told me two interesting things.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: He said, we we walked up to one and he
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: was explained to me, like what I would call a superstition,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what he would call just the truth. He was saying,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: if I touched that snake with my bow, just touch it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You can touch with a regular stick. But if I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: were to touch that snake with my bow, it would
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: die of very painful death mhm. And I said, like
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: how long? He said, forty five minutes just from contacting
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it with a human bow. And I said, what do
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you why would you do that? What do you use
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it for? And he said that when you use it
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to the fat the oil rendered from the snake to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: treat arthritis. And then explained this this Burmese python expert.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And he made me realize something I hadn't put together
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is that when you say, like someone's a snake oil salesman,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: because he said, people used to attribute snake grease, snake
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: fat with all these as having great like natural pathic
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: or homeopathic qualities. Essential old salesman. So then he just
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: brought us a court. You know that he didn't have
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the lid on tight, which is weird because I don't
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: view this stuff as appetizing. I had a tightened lid
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: or something to turn court jar of Burmese python oil.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I have a label maker, and I made that label
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: for display. I like the no ship part. My label
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: says snake oil, no ship, this is oil from a python.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: That's what I was watching uh episode on on Netflix
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the other night of when you was down with these
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: guys that they're using their hand to cast in the river.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, he's definitely saying some snakes in that area.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Do you say any that's that's that area where I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: saw these the and not these the anacondas um. Wouldn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you guys eat that? Like? I find that oil almost repulsive.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like snakes. I mean not that I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I don't like snakes, and it's not like a big
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: snake guy. He's that's rendered fat though, right, it's rendered fat.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I'll pass it around. Did he use it well? Did
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: just for you? Does he like often make he already
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: had it? He already had it. It's brought me some
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of his stash. Did you see that? Did I put
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: on your desk some yeah, prickly pear. Same guy, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like that. Put that on my oatmeal this morning. Did
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you did I bring you some choked chair? Uh? Yeah, jam,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: same guy? Did I bring you some of that honey? No,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it's on your desk, thank you. Different guy. I thought
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: it was some moon chield. Was like, man, that's a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: little early for But what I was saying is it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: so unappetizing to me that I wouldn't be able to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: like fry up an egg in that oil. Yeah, that's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: on appetising to me too. I definitely would give it
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a go. Yeah, I'd do a little teeth did you guys,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just to say, next time you're on the podcast, guess what.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I had a couple of over mediums and pothon oil
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: this morning. It looks like he could have filtered it
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a little better. There's some solids down on the bottom. Yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I gotta talk to it. I don't
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: want to call him a criticize him, be like, hey, man,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: thanks a lot, but you know, next time, next time you,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: next time you maybe some snake oil that I'll not use.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Put the lid on top, Put the lid on and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Brodi's got some tips. He's got some tipsy as well. Recently,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I recently got some some oil from a good buddy
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of mine, and uh, I had some criticism about it,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: but I was like, you know, I'm not gonna say
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: anything because it's hard to Yeah, it's hard to have
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a nice big batch of it. It might be a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: buddy sitting next to me if you do that. If
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you do do it, what you do is um, you
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: know about a compliment sandwich? Have we covered this? We have,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: but it'll give it to me again. A compliment when
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you got it, when you get when you need just
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: need to like give someone some feedback that they're not
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: could be receptive to you. Compliment him, yes, start positive,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: so you'd say, my god, bro, do you look good today? Right?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You're working out? Can you tell me about the basic
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: so I can do it? Can you tell you the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: basic problem? Well, the oil, uh, instead of being snow white,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: bear grease, it's got just a little touch of color
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to it, and it has a little touch of flavor
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to it like it might have like the cracklings might
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: have been cooked a little bit too long and you know, pudding.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: But it's out like that, super clean. Yeah, you know
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So you'd say, my god, Brody, do
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you look good today? I feel like you kind of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: screwed that barrel up by over cooking the crack ones.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: My god, your kids are nice. That's a comment sam
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like three completely unrelated constructive criticism. It's not like I've
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: got a lifetime experience render and bear fat, you know,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: quick news item. I saw that, Like I hesitate to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: do this to mention this news story in the news
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: because it's a type of news that I generally hate,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, news agencies that that do news.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: The point of the news being that the reader will
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: be annoyed and have the response of like, what's the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: world coming to? Right? Yeah, like just how like this
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: has gone too far? A war on Christmas? You know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, like like that kind of news, you know
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: what I mean. This is one of those news stories.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: A boy so now that but like now that kids
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: are at home, like some of you kids are at
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: home for school, right, and you're doing zoom. So a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: little boy in Louisiana is at home in his bedroom
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and there's a picture that he's got his shirt, but
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: he's got like a dress shirt buttoned up to the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: top button like he was kidd on the planet um
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: nine years old. But in his room is his baby
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: gun and he gets suspended what suspended from zoom? Suspended
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: from school because in his room is a baby gun
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and you can't have guns at school. So seriously, he's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: not actually he's going to classes. He's in his bedroom.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: The story is like, like I gathered that this is
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: not a problem, that I think this problem is going
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to go away for this boy very quickly. But that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: was the initial repercussion. They suspended it. They won't allow
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: him to He got kicked out of school for having
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: begun in his bedroom during his online learning. What is
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: this world coming to? This will not stand next it
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: will be a war on Christmas. So yeah. Another thing
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: is this is the last last word? Is last time
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I bring this up? But the plot does sticking around
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: squirrels biting nuts off other squirrels. We got a thing. Listen.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: A vet in Australia rode in to say that he
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this is not squirrels, it's not America. But he does
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: find that male rabbits will get in fights and it
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: can result in testicular injuries. From Byton to the other rabbit.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: The plot thickens, so Spencer's gonna have to do some
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: more research taking to that one. Now here's the other
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: thing that's not news, but it's I just thought this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: was fascinating that was read about the other day. I've
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: been reading. I don't know why I haven't read this,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: like like Osborne Russell's journal. Have you guys read Osborne
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Russell's journal. It's kind of like the most one of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the most important historical texts about like the Mountain Men
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and the beaver Travis, you read it, dude, I've been
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: reading reference. I don't. I can't. Like, I feel like
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: such an idiot for having not like actually read his journal.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. One, the amount of shootouts those guys
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: get into into the back and forth and up and
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: down um hiking. You mean just uh, they're in Salt Lake,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: they're in the headwaters of the Snake, They're on the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: lower Yellowstone before it's like, who, like, give a quick synopsis.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Who's Osborne Russell. Osborne Russell is a just a dude
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: who signs on with a fur company, doesn't know ship
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: um heads out west trap beavers, and keeps a meticulous
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: journal of where they go and what they do. Oh,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I think he's the guy that just details everything that
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: happens every day. For No, that's the different dude. Thirty
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: years later on the Muscle Shell that was called Life
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and Death of the Mouth Muscle Shell, Osborne Russell's journal
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is like, it's just his journal. Did he hang out
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: with some of the big names. He travels with Bridger,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: so he's in Jim Bridgers camp, writes about that all
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the time. He didn't realize, he didn't like have a
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: way to think that Jim Bridger was whatever. But he's in.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: He's traveling with Bridger. He got like a big crew
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: of trappers, and this main camp moves, and as the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: main camp moves, they kind of pick like, Okay, we're
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: gonna work this river and then go over the past
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and work that river. And the main camp moves, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in there are camp tenders and fur dressers, guy's skin
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and flesh and whatnot. And then you got these little
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: bands of trappers. And so the bands of trappers go
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: off and do a loop and come down and find
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the main camp and check in, and do a loop
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and find the man camp and check in, always getting
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in skirmishes shooting tons of big horn sheep like they
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: eat more big horns the places they run into big horns,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you know, talk about seeing a thousand big horns on
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the hill, just eating big horns. So many big horns
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that they're in one valley and it's hard to get
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: through the winters. Not enough food, so they decided to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: move camp where the whole camp can just live on
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: big horns. Not There was a tribe name the sheep eaters.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: He talks about those guys too. He meets some in
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: what's now Yellowstone, and he describes how they had no horse.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: They had had a horse once that they got from
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: some other trappers and the horse died. They had a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of panther hides, which he found interesting. They made
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: most are clothes out of sheep. They didn't use flint
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and steel. They used bow drills to start fire. They
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: had trapped all they said. They killed all the beavers
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in the area, but didn't realize that the furs were
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: valuable and just ate the meat and wish they had
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: saved him so they could sell the fur. And their
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: bows were made out of elk horn and sheephorn, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they were three ft long, and he took like Osborne
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Russell like really likes these dudes. And he said they
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: would travel in small family groups and not like relate
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to other is he go into detail about how that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the horn and he doesn't describe no, he doesn't describe it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: But he's like very impressed with these guys. So were
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: they would it be fair to say they were like
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: not quite as advanced as some of the other tribes
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that were, or they were just kind of living in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a you know what I'm saying. He likes them better.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: He likes them a lot, like they likes him better.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: It was just very impressed with the ingenuity. Probably what
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: he was what he seems to impress him most is
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: by the time he's all there, there had already been
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of trade going on, so horses. Everybody had horse.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Like most of the tribes he's encountering and traveling, you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: they're they're like very friendly with the crow. They traveled
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the crow. Most of the tribes he's traveling with have horses,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: have firearms, have flint and steel, steel cookware, and so
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: if you look at like what he's saying about them,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like the things, he's like, oh and they this, and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: they this, and they this. It's mostly like he's talking
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: about the way everybody would have been simply fifty years earlier. Yeah,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they hadn't adopted all that stuff yet, so he caught them.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Could even be like you could almost say that thirty
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: years earlier, thirty forty years earlier, everyone he would have
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: So he's just looking at some people that hadn't adopted.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They were living like in the very high country, not
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: associating down in the lower valleys, and they were like
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: still living like all primitive goods. And he really dug it. Uh,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: he'sawing about. He spends a lot of time at the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: crow and he says that when again, man, this is
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: not from a crow person. This is from a white
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: dude traveling with the crow, capturing like his understanding of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: what's going on. So I'm not telling you that this
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: is like the truth. I'm saying this is like crow
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: culture as understood by a white trapper. He said, when
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a crow village moves into a new moves camp and
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: there's buffalo in the vicinity, you can't just go out
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and hunt, like, you can't just charge off and spook
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: everything out like it's part of a concerted effort, and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you have to get like council permission to begin hunting.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: If you break this rule, the first offense is your
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: hunting equipment is destroyed. If you do it again in
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: your life, your horses are killed, your lodge is destroyed,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and you're beaten. A third offense is death by shooting.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: We should have more game laws like that. Dude. They'll
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: mess around. That's what in Lewis and Clark. I read
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: some of their journals. What is it? What's the relationship
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: is this guy? Earlier or after? Well after? Well after? Okay?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Just if you fell asleep on guard? How many you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: have fifty sixty lashes? I'd be like, Man, I ain't
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: going out with y'all boys. I know on the show
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I talked before about uh when Stephenson, who spent a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: lot of time with He's got this book, My Life
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with the Eskimo, and he spent much time with Innuit
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: hunters in the High Arctic of Canada, and he describes
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: how people like hunters will have hunting partners and they'll
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: even be like a hunter and his hunting partner will
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: be that that they're all left side and right side,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that they're like the left side and right side of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a unit, and when they get something, the left side
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of the thing goes to the left side, the right
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: side of the thing goes to the right side, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that's how they distribute game amongst person's hunting partner. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: talking about the crow, Osborne Russell explains um, when they're
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: doing like a collective style hunting, like you know, riding
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a herd down and shooting into it, the first person
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: who arrives at a dead buffalo is entitled to one
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: third of the meat. If the person who killed the
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: buffalo is the fourth one on the spot, he only
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: gets the hide and tongue. There's no way that this
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: person who killed it can get in any circumstance, can
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: get any more than one third of the meat if
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a second and third person appears before it is placed
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: on the horse for pack, meaning like you get one
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: if some if you if you don't get on your
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: horse by the time other people show up, then it's divided.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: They get thirds. So that's interesting. You know what, my buddy,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: One time I went to this thing where they're testing
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: out how effective beer commercials are. And you get a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: dial and as you're interested, you turned the dial up
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and when you're not interested, turned the dial down. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: wish we should. I wish we had those like from
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: for you for us, because I can't tell if what
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you is interesting or not. That was very interesting. Yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that was interesting. Um, we'll not say one top with
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: him and then then yann he's gotta do something. Uh
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: A guy. In addition to that snakel a guy sent
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: me a turkey call made from a turtle shell mm hmm,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: which is a famous old thing. I've just got the residents.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Sound good, dude, it's so cool. It's a readier slider
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: shell and then it's got late glued like to the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: bottom carapist. I want to see that. It's super cool, man,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: what's the striker? Looked like he made it. It's got
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: a bone top and them and I don't know what
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: kind he told me? What kind of would boy cameraber?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: What kind of boy do you put on there? But
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: it sounds good. It's so cool. Yeah. I was shocked
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: star pick made out of as illegal to have now,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: but that's one of the laws, Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: no not me. Yeah, that wouldn't mean that's a pass
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: down because there it's like a hundred dollar guitar pick,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and I lose guitar picks every day. What uh turtle
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: show you know? And uh yeah, I'll make a guitar
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: pick out of a tarpan scale. I don't know, but
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: because he's a good guitar pick guy from Brian May
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: from Queen. He used quarters or what's the equivalent, these
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: old something I don't know quarters for playing. I found
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that out the other day and I was like, man,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: that's wild. So he every time they're on tour there
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: his guitar check just goes and gets a saka. These
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: old quarters he uses and yeah, um, so Yanni's gotta
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: do uh yeah, he's gotta do a book report about something.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Brody will probably be able to add to
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: this much times he spent this because Yannie, Uh, this
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is the second report he's giving us. Can you make
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a diddy? It goes um Yanni's book reports about videos
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and articles or something like that. Yan book reports. Well,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know about I can try. Yeah, what would
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you do? It would be like a jingle? Yeah, what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: would you like? Imagine it's a show and there's a segment,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's a song to precede the segment.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: So you're kicking off Yanni's Book Report, which is like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a segment on the show. I'm trying to think I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: could do that Yan's Book Report. Man, I can't. I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: can't even saying happy birthday. Man, I'm just not good
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: with little jingles like that. Let's do a quick jingle.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I can try. Yeah, do it. I'll grab
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: a damn retire to do it. You gotta put your
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: dip down, you gotta get your chunk of turtle shell out. Oh,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the scale on a turtle shell something like that. Yeah,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's illegal to have. Maybe it's certain turtles.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: They don't care if you can catch a snap and turtle.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: They don't care if you pick a guitar with the scale.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: So Yanni's book Yanni's Book Reports. No, it's like Yanni's
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Book reports about articles and videos say that, or just play,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: just play something. How do you want to do it?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I would sing it and play to it, and it
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: would be like something to the effect of like it's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: time for you know what do you what do you think?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Any Like it's time for Janni's Yeah, Phil, time for kids.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Gather around, Yeah, gather round, it's time for Yanni. Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Do you remember a book reports from school? They were
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: boring and sucked, But this is different. Book report about
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: a video. I don't know funking work with that. I'm trying.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It's chest with molesters here, he'd actly, he'd take someone
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: else's idea and act like you did it himself. Well,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you gotta put that thing on there. I'm just gonna
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: try to get you know what that's called. It's called ok.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how to make something jingly. That's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: kind of the way I plays like, I don't know
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: real date. I'm trying to think of a way to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: make it, to make it deeport. Oh, I like it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That already sounds good. Yeah, I'll just put some lyrics
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: into it. Yeah the gold Hit him with that, that's perfect.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Ill do a clean one. Okay, So we're gonna we're
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: gonna do Yanni segment. Wow two? Yeah, hit him with
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the self spoken Yeah, better be really good. All right, boy,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'll try. Man, that's what I'm bad with. Oh No,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that was perfect cause I was trying to take it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: down the whole other avenue. Man, it was a lot
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: worse than that. People all the time it's like, can
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you play Happy Birthday? And it's like, man, I don't know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like I ain't good with that, you know
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: what I mean? You know that John Pryan John Priyan's
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: live album which he got one. He's like, he says,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I learned those three chords when I was fourteen, and
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I guess I just never decided to learn any more
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, that's what they always say is nobody
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: knows what key that Happy Birthday is in. It's always
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: different every time, no matter how you get around, because
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: nobody knows how to easily sing. You know that guy
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: still collects World. She's off that song. You can't like
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: put that song in the movie. Really no, Wow, it's
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a covered song. It's a covered song, and get a
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: license that sunbitch and song go ahead. That's interesting. It
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: might not be true. I gotta say this is an
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: interesting true I think it went. It went like, what's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: what's the term for it? When something loses its copyright
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that happens. It happened like four or five years ago,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: but like up until then it was I just said,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it might not be true, so so you can republic domain.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying having birthday is now public public domain.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: God can breathe easy. You can play that at your
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: next show, and I have to worry you put it
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: on your next album even enough to worry about put
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that little Johnnie segment in the album. If people are
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be waiting now every episode, they're gonna wait to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: hear those chords. Oh yeah, did you get a good
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: recording of that so we can use and get you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a better one too? Can we license at all? Yeah? Yeah,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a better one when a half time.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just not I don't know. That's ah, well, do
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: you justice? Um? What was the last one that I did?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: You did a book report on that There's Links or
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Bobcat that went along ways away. Oh yeah, there was
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: that one. But you're I think you're incorrect with saying
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: that's only only my second one, because I did one
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: about that girl that had that they found the gum
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and there was there was the preserved Oh yeah, yeah
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: with Jesse Griffiths, and Jesse Griffins was saying he wanted
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to marry that girl. Yeah, they found the remains, that's right,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that was in Texas. Yeah, they found yeah, and she
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: had eaten Hazel nuts and Mallard duck. Yeah, from those
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: articles were a lot longer. This article here, it's a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: video might be literally Yeah did you watch the video?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I sent it to you to watch. Yeah, well, CPW,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I like what you guys are doing. This is all great,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: but I'm sure a lot of UH State wildlife agencies
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: struggled with this. But whoever put the media together for this,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: they were in love with this. One go pro shot
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: that they have with the underside of the plane is
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: this guy turned into a compment sandwich because started start,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: you got a backward I'm gonna I'm gonna knock them
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: down first, then I'll build the build them up. But
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was like a nine minute video and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: uh I think they could have gotten the point across
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: in two or three cheese. Man just comes out just
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: swinging producer, and that's what happens in this job. Man,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you have a real hard time watching stuff and not
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: looking at it. Um you know with that sort of
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I yeah, no hardcore producing. You feel the same way.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff you don't have. What I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: would have said, like, man, those guys are handsome in
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that video and their kids are really nice. Look you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I spent a big decade uh hunting and fishing in Colorado,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and I have a lot of respect and feel that
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the CPW does a great job managing their wildlife resources
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: over there. They take it serious. And well that's another
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: cannon wors. We want to look at that video show
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you guys want to know what this GoPro shot is.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: It's uh, it's the cameras mounted on like the strut
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of the plane, pointed towards the tail end, and like
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: halfway between the strut um and the rear wheel, let's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: attached to the to the very back end of the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of the tail of the plane, there is what looks
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to be like a it's basically just a shoot. An
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: outcoming from the shoot is like at this point it
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: looks just like a ball of vapor which used to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: be water before the shoot was open, and inside of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: it you can see it looks like a little black specks,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: but what they are is inch and a half long trout.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: They're falling out of an airplane. This, folks, is how
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Colorado CPW stocks their high country lakes is by airplane.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Blows my mind. Oh you have never heard this. I'd
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: heard of it, but you know, like sometimes you hear
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: stuff without really thinking about yeah, you know, I mean
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: like you're like, oh, whatever, I accept it, sure, but
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: hadn't like actually thought like, well what am I accepting?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: What it? What it? What goes into it? Meaning that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they would land and be like oh cool, I'm alive
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and this like just like watching that be I'm like,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: how in the world are they not just dead or dead?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I know? Yeah, Well, they do a good job explaining
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: why they're not dead or dead, which is that they're
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: only an inch and a half long, so they don't
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: have a lot of mass to them. They get down
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to they'd like to be at a hundred feet I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: think they said the space is a hundred fifty feet
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: off the surface of the water when they drop them,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and because there's so little, there's just a lot of
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: you know, air resistance, and they're not like they're not
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: plummeting like a you know, an object with more master
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: You can kill somebody with a five pound trout, well,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and the five pound trout would also hit the water
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and probably explode just like you would. But these suckers, yeah,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: they they talk about how they measure them out. Is
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that in your report? Uh, you mean about how they
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: just how it's like they know per mill leader like
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: a bucket, like a measuring cup. Yeah, yeah, that's what
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. But they haven't figured out they know by
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a volume measurement how many fish are in there, so
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: they know that whatever it is, there's three hundred inch
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: and a half trout in a court of of inch
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and a half trout mass, right, So that I got
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: they're counting them. Yeah, but yeah, they they go and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: get the row from high country lakes. So it's not
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: like they're like making like putting in a non native fish, right.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: They go and get row from fish that are natives
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to Colorado, bring that down to a hatchery, raise them
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: up till they're inch and a half long, and then
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: basically transport those back up to these high country lakes.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: But they're putting them in some lakes that never had
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: trout that may I didn't catch that in this article
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: or the video, but I think they do. I think
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: they do stock some lakes that never had a trout population.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's a lot of effort. Yeah, And because
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: they're saying that, they think too that because the head
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: has a little more mass is heavier than the rest
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: of the body that they actually probably eventually end up
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: pointing straight down and they enter the water that ways,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: as opposed to landing flat on their sides. Huh did
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: they get into what um Mitch Petrie sentences, Did they
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: get into what uh survival rate? Did not did not
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: catch that, but they said it's very, very efficient compared
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to what it would take otherwise to stock these high
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: country lakes, which would basically be by having to pack
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: either on horseback or human back because a lot of
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: this is wilderness. You know, there's no roads going up there,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: so you have to pack you know, aerated containers of water, um,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: which is takes a lot. Yeah, I see actually seen
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: videos of them pack can trout in on horseback? Well, yeah,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: you remember Mike Rule, but he was telling us something
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: about like can they air dropped trout into a wilderness area?
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can't because remember Mike the helicopter thing,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't land the helicopter. They do the helicopter
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: thing about home where I'm from on the Chattooga where
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Deliverance was actually filmed. The helicopter man to stock trout.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Because Mike Rules talking about but that was the whole thing.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It was about the whole helicopter deal land in helicopters
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and wilderness area you'd have a special permit. So you
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: think you can air drop a trout? I think so.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I used to fish lakes, alpine lakes in Colorado and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: wilderness areas that for sure got stocked this way they
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I just looked it up here. They stocked beavers in
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: the frank Church. Yeah. Cal's covered that and we've talked
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: about it, and that happened like oh time in and
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: none of this surprises me after this one of those
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: being real successful. Oh really, Yeah, sired like a whole
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: population of beavers. The Idaho uh uh Fishing Game has
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: a video of it on here. Yeah, i'd heard Cal
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: talked about that. I had heard about that, and they
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: brought some into re established populations in the frank Church
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: after guys like Osborne Russell killed them all. But um,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: but this trout thing is just the thing that's always
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: going on, Like, don't go how many how many lakes?
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: How many lakes do they do? Uh? Three thirty lakes
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and Boulder, Grand Jackson, and Larmer Counties, which draw northern
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: part of the state. Yeah, the Boulder County ones. I'm
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: sure I fished some of those in the Indian Peaks builderness.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Probably can you think of a utro, Yeah, he's doing
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: on one. I would just probably do like a like
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: a quicker, did he and then say, um, that was
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: that's all, folks, that's a oaks. Um. What was interesting,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and they did a nice way of getting out of
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: their little article here, is that they decided to add
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: in that that from when they're in an inch and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: a half long, it takes them two years to become
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: ten inches long, which is which is the minimum size
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: limit to keep a trout in the state of Colorado.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: So don't go rushing out there right now, folks, you can't.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's not like back in uh and the Carolina Taylor
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: was just talking about there's not much to catch there
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: right now, but in two years two years is an
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: inch and a half to ten inches. I would never
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: guess that. I think it's because it's lakes are so still.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are sterile. They just grew there
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and they have such a short growing season. They're us No,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I would say that have taken five years. Oh open
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: those sterile ass, cold ass, and remember reading something about
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: that in the hut. That's usually. I've seen some some
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: fly guys that get these real remote you know, alpon
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: lakes and they're catching smaller trout and it's like, you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you know, home fish are covering nice months a year.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: You know. I think that periodically win or kill, which
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: is why they stock them this way, Like every few
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: years they'll restock a lake because they win or kill.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: That's why they do at home. They summer killed at home.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: It's too hot. Uh, we just had our Oh you
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: got the ultro? Yeah, can you heit real quick? Yeah? Man,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: tell you are really playing ball. I'm trying. I'm trying
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to appreciate, appreciate. I would I would not go in
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: a wildly different direction for the ultro. I was like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: your manager, oh go in the water direction or don't
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever comes to your mind. Where everything. My kids
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: are having to do their first book report touchtles, but
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: it's like power point now, like they have to do
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: slides and pictures and that. Yeah, it's not we had
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to do. But we were talking the other day how
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: you have to have an end, you know, and she's like, well, fine,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it's gonna write the end. So there's that slide. Yeah,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I think you can keep it simple. Keep it simple,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: all right? When I because when I'm hearing is like
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I'm we either play something a little to to you know, um,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing like when I'm hearing a little ditty is
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: something like, you know, something funky y'all want? Oh no,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that sounds a great outro. Huh you pulled out a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: little closer seth there too. Okay, So he does his
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: book report video really really important. Well, you gotta say something.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Oh forgot about that? What should I say? Thank you? Johnnie.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: It's a great book report and it's kind of like
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that free Pluto TV like news segment you saw in
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: high school that kind of you know that kind of
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that, but I got you. Oh man,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: that puts a nice rap on it. Man, if you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: are happy with that, I'm happy. That was great. That
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: was great. We just had um youth. Uh does a
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: youth duck season? I think a lot of states do this, right, Yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: youth in my home state of Michigan, Youth dear season
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: is such a thing that I was texting with a
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: buddy mind Tim back home, and he's sending me trail
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: camp pictures of box and he's he's not joke when
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: he said this. He says, I hope these two make
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: it through youth season. Yeah, Like there's a lot of
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: people that do you know that like hunt through their kids. Yeah,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh but like that one, that one, Yeah
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: that makes sense, you can picture it. Parents are like
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that with everything. If you found a giant buck and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: yet youth your seeson coming up, of course you can
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: be like, no, listen, junior, see I'm playing this game.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I'm playing on low. Like I'd almost be like, no,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you can't shoot that buck, just to get him started
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: out right, Yeah, you duck. And I took my boy
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: out to a friend of mine's property who has like
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: a beauty like a water fowl property. He is a
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: duck fanatic and has like a sweet property for hunting
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: ducks on maybe one of the sweetest ones in the mean,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: probably like one of the coolest duck things. It's a
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: great spot. And he didn't And what was kind of
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: funny is I remember him saying like now and then
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: they have like a little youth opener event or something.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: So I was like enquiring because he said something like, oh,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: you know, when you kick gets all or whatever. I thought.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: He said we had a youth open event. I inquired
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: with him about what that was the thing, and he said,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't even be in town, but if you want
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: to take your boy out there, so no one's around,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and like the ducks have been shot at all year, right,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: it ain't even like regular season, Like no, you don't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: hear any shots anywhere on youth duck opener. And we
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: put decoys out in dark and we got there fifteen
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: minutes early and it was like legal light with sixty
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and he's just like, like very interesting in what time
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: it was, because some ducks are landing out in front
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: of us, and at this point no different than you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: know most folks we hunt with very eager for it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: to turn the right time. And I'm like, just to
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: kick him off. I allow him to, uh, we have
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: one right out in front us, and I'm like, okay,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: you know, you can go ahead and in Arkansas, you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: and he are and he like snakes the barrel out
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of the blind in Arkansas, this duck nevery moves, you know.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, hey, that's that's that's that, Like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you got one now, it's you're gonna learn how to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: hit him out of the air, you know. And he
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: just the one duck's coming in and I'm like, hey,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: go you know, but the ducks aren't that wise. Yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: they're not spooky yet. So he like drags it out
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: long enough for basically the duck is like landed by
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: the time he shoots and gets that duck. Then a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: while later one just comes in from behind us and
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: before he can get on it lands in the thing.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: And I said, hey, listen, now here's what you're gonna do.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Get ready, I want you to step out of this
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: blind and go jump it yo hey or whatever and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: jump it and shoot it flying away and practice that.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Don't want to jump, no, he just seeks out there,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: hey boom. But then then I was getting little irritated
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: with him because he's shooting sitting ducks because I was saying, yeah,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: because it's like it's like, you know, you know, our friend,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: like he's right, yeah, he's like he likes he likes all,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: he appreciates the sort of he likes ducks done. The
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: duck wait like that, know, but I think he gives
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: he probably gives everybody a pass. He was very excited,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: but I was also like, every first duck I've ever
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: heard of has been shot on the water. He shot
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: his first duck on the water. I thought it would
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: be good for him to take this opportunity of ample
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: shooting to learn how to do some wing shooting because
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: later in the year ducks aren't gonna do this anymore. Yeah,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: and he shot plenty of pigeons out of the air,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: so he's got some wings, street pigeons, clay pigeons. I'm like, take, like,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: there's birds flying, Let's take the opportunity in a stress
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: free environment, you being the only gun in the blind
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: to do some wing shooting. Anyhow, eventually I look and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: here comes four Canadas and you know, like just they're
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: flying so slow that it looks like they couldn't stay
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: in the air, and they're coming at us, you know,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and like later to season be like, well, surely they'll
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the dec aways all flair him, or they'll lift up high.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And they keep coming and I'm looking at like coming
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: and coming, and I'm like, oh my god, he's gonna
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: get like the world's like, you know, twenty five yards
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: off the deck, like flying unbelievably slowly directly over our
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: head and uh, he pulls up boom, just drops one.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I said, hold, I said, holding out from his bill
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: right when you shoot, and he boom, just drops one.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: And I was stunned. He wasn't even kind of stunned,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: but I was totally stunned. And then he shoots again
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I got that other one, and I'm
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just you know, I never listen
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: to anything he says, so I didn't believe him that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: he got the other one. And that's just in one
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: of her now at the other and we got the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: goose and took pictures and had all kinds of good times.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: He keeps talking about getting the other one, getting the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: other one, and I'm like, where is it, you know, geese.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: It's like a big pond out in front. There's no
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: goose laying on it. And we get all done hunting
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and we go over and he's still talking about it.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: We go there and there's that goose running away, jumped
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: up in the bushes, and we're gonna start listening to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: him because one day we're doing some we're catching some
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: beavers for a guy friend of ours, and we walk
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: out of our friends place and my kids like there's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: a coyote and then looking out seeing any Kyle and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Jimmie, come on, caught that crap out. He
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: turns around like there's a weasel, and I'm like, James,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: listen man that look. I was like, oh, there's a weasel. No,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I instinctively don't believe them. I don't know what it is.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: He's seeing stuff you're not you're you're maybe you're you're
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: visual acuity is fading. That absolutely is man. So yet
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: last night we took his water fowl and we cut
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: up one of the geese. So we caught up two
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: brass and we're brining it for marinating it for jerky.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: We took the legs of all the geese and the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: legs of all the duck and we're curing that for Confie.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And then he wants to save the rest just for
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: regular dinner eating. So he's kind of working all those projects.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: He's measuring out all his stuff. Nice, yeah, acting very irritated,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: irritated about what they don't want to do. The work part. Oh,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know. He's a trigger man now, trigger man.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: He's like he's like a gun writer. Trigger man. What
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: about just general uh, like gutting and measuring, like dry
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: spice is not his thing? Yeah, not his thing. Did
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: you guys pluck you know what? We started to pluck him,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: but it's so early in the year, like you can't
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: barely tell. You know, this early in the year, you
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: can't barely tell a green head. Yeah, um, because you know,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: they just molted and we started to pluck them. One
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: just thin, it's just skin, very little fat. And then
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: the geese were okay, but the ducks are very little
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: fat and all that pin feather just it wasn't happening.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: We had to just pull we just we just pulled him. Yep,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: skinned him. I think you gotta wait a little bit.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: It's like canna last. They hunt ducks so early, you
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: know up there, the ducks are all just like brown ducks.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: It's so hard to tell what the hell is going on.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: M Are these two? You think these are just resident birds?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: You guys are hunting for sure? Yeah, they're not mine,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: for sure. I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of these birds.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Some of these birds hatched out of the egg on
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the very hatched out of an egg on the very
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: place of your home. So Brody issue report about your
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: bear hunting, your bear hunting adventures. It was good. It
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: was super short. Yeah, I was like, you sent me
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a picture of bearing. I'm like, Bahamas, he's still at home. Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I drove from I left Bozeman at like, I don't know,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: five thirty in the morning. So it's you know, twelve eleven,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: twelve hours to get to where I was hunting. Droll
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: to collar Yep, Colorado. Hauled wolf down there, turned it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: loose probably yep. Exactly a great big one um wolf.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: But Canadianadian super Bowl they're already there. They're having pups
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: in Colorado. Anyway. Um. Yeah, I got to where I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: was gonna camp, set up camp. It's about six in
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the evening by that point. Hiked up to a little
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: spring fed water hole that was probably like got up
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: there at like seven seven. Yeah, only taken a nap
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: by now. I don't mind driving usually I don't mind it.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Um and and it's like it was good to get
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: out and hike after being that truck you know. Um anyway,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: sat down I was gonna try filming it. And before
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I could even get the little DSLR out um, I
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: saw and three cubs rolled in and they messed around
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: for ten minutes or so, and then she started getting
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: real nervous, and I had when you say messed around,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: like the cubs were like fighting and playing in the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: pond and she was drinking water. They're just like chilled out,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: you know. Just it was cool. It was on the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: shady side of the mountains, so I think they're just
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: in no rush, you know, to enjoy themselves. So that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: was fun watching them. But then she got all nervous
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: and started huffing at her cubs and one cub ran
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: up like took off. That was I guess the smart one,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: and the other two lingered and she pushed him up
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: into the timber, and the wind was in my face,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: so I was like, man, there might be a boar
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: coming in. And sure enough, like a minute later, a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: big jet black boar came in and I shot him.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Was that boar up wind of her? Yes, m yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: The wind was kind of for me, it was quartering
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: left or right, so she was kind of The pond
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: is at the base of this hill, so that wind
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: was hitting the pond and then going up and he
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: came from up above her. But man, she did not
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: want to mess around with that boar because she had
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: young cubs, like the little teeny puppy sized cubs. And yeah,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: that was my hunt. And that's that's the three jars
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: of barre oil oil you gave me? How many jars
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you end up with? How he gave me a little
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: teeny jars? I ended up? Yeah, half court jars. Um.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I ended up with like three and a half gallons total. Yeah,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: we're gonna gallons quarts total? I think, does it make
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you happier? Sad that I gave one of those? My
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: friend Laura happy? You know what I did? I took
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: beats out of the garden and um and carrots out
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: of the garden and and roasted them in that bear
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: grease the same way you put olive oil on him.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Put that bear grease on. It's clean, It's like it's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been doing everything like that potatoes in
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: the oven, said, just put some bargrease on it. Wasn't
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: really happy with that bargheras made. Apparently not I can
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: redistribute that well, Um no, I got plenty of it
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: to share. We couldn't. I couldn't go through all that stuff.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Has anybody done cookies? Yet that's what I was just
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: gonna say. I've done. I've done puff pastry with it
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, I haven't done any baking. I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: don't like to bake, though, I kind of quit. It's
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: kind of a long process, but it's easy. I think
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: what Joannice was talking about is if you get it
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: too hot, or if you, like you said, go too
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: long on those cracklings, because you want to squeeze like
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: every bit of fat out of those things. And I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: think you've got to give up at some point when
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you're rendering it. Well, you know what people do? What
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I wonder I shouldn't say what people do. I know
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: that you put a candy thermometer in there. I know.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I've read processes for doing it where you actually do
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: it in your oven so you have a better grip
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: on the town. But you need to have oven that's
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: reliable at low town. And I think it might but
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: have heard people say, like, set the oven and put
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: it in there, but with a candy thermometer, because then
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: you can go for hours and hours and hours and
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  Speaker 1: not spike and not have temperature spikes. Yeah, but I've
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: tried that, but I don't know. I haven't really calibrated it.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that ovens do a great job
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: of like holding. I don't know if they do a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: great job of holding a low attempt like one seventy,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: but never messed with it. Um. I think probably if
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: you ground it up, it might render out a little
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: better because I just cubed it. You know. That's a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: good idea. Grind it and render it. You'd have to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: do it when that stuff's real cold, because it has
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: like a low melting point. Like when I was skinning
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: that bear. It was probably I don't know, it's in
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: the seventies. It was hot and like that stuff melting
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: at yeah, yeah, you know what. It would be a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: good idea. Man, take that snake oil here, do a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: taste test, put it in a little jar and right
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: air oil on it. Then give it to someone and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: then later be like, hey, man, how'd you like to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: have bar oil? They'll send it to Clay Newcomb. See
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: if they're like, that was the best ship I've ever
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: eaten my entire life. Then well know, and my joints
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: don't hurt anymore. My rheumatism cleared right up. See Osborne
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Russell suffers horrible rheumatism. Did he use snake oil? No,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: because but they don't have waiters, the trapping, oh, the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: end of the winter, trapping in spring, no waiters. So
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: he would talk about in the cold weather, just the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: horrible ache was spending all those years in the water
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: with no just getting used to being I bet your
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: plenty of them didn't cheeze tough, tough dudes. So what
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: else about your Is it bear meat? Good? Yeah? Man,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: it's great. You know there's probably eating those acorns down there,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: he had. I think you had just switched to him
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: the berries had It was a drought down in Colorado
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: so that it was like right at the tail end
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: of berry season, and they're all dried up, most of them.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: And you know when oftentimes when not not that I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of experienced shooting bears, but they'll often
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: let out a little turd when you shoot them. And
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: his was that pasty, creamy kind of tan acorn poop.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: So he's not familiar with because I don't spend a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: lot of time in the acorn areas. I think that's
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: why the bears get big in Colorado, man, because berries,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: And then they switched to those acorns and then if
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: they're lucky, they find a carcass or two gambles open. Yeah,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: oak brush, yeah, huh. I killed a deer and Tuskigee
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: National Forest in Alabama one time. Um My brother was
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: going to grad school down in Auburn and he's discovered
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: like the great deer hunting down there. And one time
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: he was getting like five deer year down there, and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: we one time, I'll a greyhound bus from Montana to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Alabama the hunt deer and we all got a buck.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: We're there for like I don't know, maybe a week
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Christmas break, and we all killed a buck on Tuskegee
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: National Forest. I remember sitting up in a magnol your
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: tree hunting deer. But anyways, shot a buck and pulled
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: the stomach out. It was like a giant marble bag.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: It was just full of like he hadn't even chewed
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: and swallowed. Like I almost killed a dog on that trip,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: on accident, not almost. I got down and got ready.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: We're like walking along. I'm looking down a power cut
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's a deer. It was a great dane.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Like what are the chances of that? Man? Yeah? The
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: question I have is did you carry a gun on
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: the Greyhound with like? Yeah, And I was so paranoid, man,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I took it apart. I did that twice, super paranoid,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: took it apart and put it in a duffel bag.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: I bet you couldn't get away with that these days.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: A very paranoid, very very paranoid. But it worked out,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm telling a lie. I took my
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: shotgun on the Greyhound to hunt ducks when we hunted deer.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I was lying. I didn't do that. I didn't bring heap.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I must used Danny. I don't know what it was.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I took a shotgun when we the first time he
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: went down there to hunt, or maybe it's a second time.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: One time I went down there to hunt ducks. One
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: time I went down to hunt deer. I took a shotguns.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Like two and a half day greyhound ride. We're seeing that?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Ever happened to me? Yeah, it sounds like it, Taylor,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: probably just right about four or five six songs. Yeah,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing some good stuff. You gotta dip in now,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if we I guess you know
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you got one in there now? Yeah? You ever seeing
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: songs about dipping. No, no, no, I'll leave that to
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: the uh everybody else. You should write a song called
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: full stadium. Full stadium? What's that mean? It's when you
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: put dip on your upper end bottom lip. We call
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: that a hug. Not like that? Better all R Yeah,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Now regale us with stories from the Phelps Woods. Oh um, Yeah,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: I had a great hunt. It's interesting we uh you know,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: we got invited to a hunt a friend of ours
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: private ranch. Uh for me, get how many thousands of acres?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: But there's a couple of thousand at least there to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: hunt and uh, my goals since I was going to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: hunt with at least yeah, my goal since I was
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: going to hunt with Jason Phelps, who manufactures game calls
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: and started with ELK calls. It's like, you know, like
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: knows a lot about calling. ELK was who was guy
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: on the planet. Yeah. I like him like bettered seth. Yeah,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: and I tell you you'll like him even more. Actually
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: spend a week in hunting camp with him. Yeah, because
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I got to know him. You know, it's nice. He
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: actually offered. I told him that you and I were
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: holding on to some wyoming ELK points and he said, well,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I think you guys have plenty of points to draw
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: where I would like to take you and call for
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: you next fall. Seriously, he seriously doesn't he want to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: tag himself. He just come and call. You're kidding me, not.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta ask, because you're you're usually on the other
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: end of the calling thing. I gotta I gotta know.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: He's even better. He's even better than Yanni. Oh no, no, no,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I'm saying Joannice is usually one due in the calling
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: because he's Johnny's better than everybody else. I'm saying everybody
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: else felt is better. And I want to know what
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: it was like. It was wonderful just out there in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: my boat and my hand and the arrow knocked and uh,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I was telling this someone else the I think it
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: was the first bowl. Well, he called in a spike,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: and you know, spikes come in. You can't shoot spikes
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: in Colorado, and I think the whole state there's I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: think there might be a couple of places where you can. Colorado.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: They gotta have four points on one antler or a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: five inch brow time to be legal. So usually when
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: a spike comes in, you know, everybody kind of like
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: it's like whatever, we'll mess with him for a few
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: minutes whatever. So but the first branch chandler bull that
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: he called it was a six point and we kind
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: of a hasty set up. I didn't get hidden as
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: nut as much as I would like me, because all
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: of a sudden it was just like, really, we're we
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: got in tight and he was right there because you're
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: hearing him, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was bugling, and we
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: we kind of ran in there. He was bugling the
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: bulls responding to you or he was just bugling, because
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: he's a little bit of both, but definitely responding to us.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: You know, we were locating him, so hustling there, we
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: crossed kind of a draw holler, kind of a feature
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: on the top of this big ridge, and um crept
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: up through some kind of not super dance, but some dance.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: We were in open aspens and we had to go
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: through some semi dance fur trees, and we popped up
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: on a little bench, nice beautiful meadow, and you could
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: tell it's kind of like a spot where you'd see
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: some elk, you know, feed and doing their thing, and
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: he's bugling on the far side of it, maybe at
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards maybe and we really quickly are like,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: all right, let's treat that treat that tree. And I
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: should have gone the tree number one, but it just
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: didn't look big enough, and I went with tree number two,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: which had like four or five trees around it. I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: just would have been, you know, hindsight, but I would
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: have been ten yards closer, and I maybe would have
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: had this other, um like older type feature that would
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: have blocked his view from me, because he ended up
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: picking me out. But basically, as soon as I set
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: up and you sat in front of the tree, and
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: as soon as I set up, I see some cows
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: feeding off to my left, like within bow range. And
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: then I look up to the right, kind of up
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: this meadow off the ridge, and I see more cows
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: popping out of the woods feeding and this bold hugle,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and so we're like in the circle right like it's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Well, what's cool is that Jason is like,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen feet off to my right, just
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: kind of off the edge of them, you know, just
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the terrain drops off, and he's kind of tucked down
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: to the base of a tree and he's like sitting
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: there calling but then talking to me about like what
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: the bulls doing, what he's doing to like manipulate the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: bull and sort of like narrating the thing, and the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: bull is doing exactly what Jason says he's gonna do.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, this dude really knows what's up. Like
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: he's not at all like shaking up by the situation.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: He's just very much methodically like looking at it, analyzing
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: and making moves and making sounds and you know, making
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: he's able to predict, so it's not it's not like
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: just explaining what happened as though you know what you're talking. Yeah,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: well he's like trying things and he's like, no, that
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: didn't seem to work, or he didn't bugle back at
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: that sound, or he did, or that one made him start,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you know, walking, because pretty soon we could see you know,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the antlers coming from the far side, and uh yeah,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is gonna work out pretty good
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: for me. But that one didn't because I wasn't covered
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: up enough and at like six year seventy yards, the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: bull eyeballed me and didn't spook, but just turned nine
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: degrees and kind of walked out of the meadow and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: went back, you know, as soon as he goes out
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of sight, he started bugling again. Didn't he didn't like it,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: so we kept chasing them. Um but yeah, so we
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: basically chase that heard. There was I don't know, maybe
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: three or four bulls bugle in chase until dark. Never
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: got on him again. Uh. Founder a sweet camp site,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: just a really nice flattened bench on this big ridge
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: we were on. It's interesting, one of the stillest nights
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I've ever spent in the woods. I mean just like
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: not not once. You know how in the middle of
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: night you always seem to wake up and you feel
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: that cold breeze and it wakes you up and you
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: gotta roll over and cover it up. I mean, just
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: none of it. There was no thermal even just like
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: still like I like, we were even like bust not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: our win checkers and you just puff it and it
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: would just just sit there. And the old night was
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, so in the morning we get
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: up and uh, we figured we'd be hearing them from camp.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Never heard a bugle all night. Started to get a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: little nervous, and then the morning we walk maybe I
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: don't know two or three hundred yards and start doing
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: location bugles and a bully answered us, and then we
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: pretty immediately, pretty much immediately got right back into the herd.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Jason called one in and he came behind again one
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: of these sort of like older type thickets. They really
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: love rubbing these, those older thickets. You know what I'm
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: talking about. You don't see a lot of them old. Yeah.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I sent it to my wife and she texted back
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: that the resident botany stuff, and uh, they love rubbing them,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: but you don't see a lot of them there. But
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: in like the moist little draw like a seat almost
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: where there's a little more moisture. You always see these things.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: And he got a reddish inside to it, um orange
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: reddish maybe you mean like when he's rubbing it, like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: when you get to the cambium layer, it's kind of
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: it's like an ochre e color. Yeah. So his first
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: all kind of comes in on the far side of
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: one of these like masses. He was close, he's you know,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: ten yards or less. But as he's coming around behind it,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: you know, he sees something, you know, me at full
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: draw sort of shake and probably and just never quite
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: clears enough for me to let loose an arrow had
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: some stuff covering up your shoulder and so, uh, we
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: knew where they were heading to bed, or we thought
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: we did, so we basically at that point we could
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: hear bulls moving in that direction, so we kind of
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: backed out of there, did a loop behind them. We're
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: kind of coming up a ridge where it's not really
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: so we're on a big ridge and sort of where
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: the ridge drops off into steep, dark timber where we
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: thought they had bed. We're running up that edge and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: trying to cut them off before they get into the timber,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and uh, we get in pretty tight. We
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: actually think that they probably heard us. You know, we
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: have four people you know, pushing it to get in there.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: The bull that I shot probably heard us coming and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: probably thought, oh, that's you know, more elk joining this,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you know group that we're in. So we got in
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: there again under a hundred yards Jason bield a couple
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: of times, and you could just see this bull start
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: walking down and he might have been ten yards off
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: this edge that I keep referencing, and he's threws sort
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: of like an alleyway through the woods that he was
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: coming down, and uh, he stops it maybe like forty
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: and I can't see him and Jason's like he's at forty.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I know he's somewhere in there, but
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lane. And then a few seconds
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: later he's like, okay, he's walking again, you know, So
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I drew then and then I could see him pop out.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: He's walking kind of slightly quarter in two. And then
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: it's amazing how those animals like when you call, they't
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: know what tree that call came from, Like they know
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: where you're standing, because he's walking, walking, and kind of
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: looking down the alleyway, and then right in this little
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: gap that we're standing in looking out into the alleyway,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: it's like as soon as he's parallel with that, he
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: turns to look right in there. It's like that's where
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: that bulls should be that I heard buglin right, So
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: he turns right in there, and uh, you know, up
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: until a couple of days prior to that, I probably
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: never would have taken a frontal shot on an elk,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: meaning like shooting him straight in his chest. You know.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I was always gonna wait for broadside or quarter in
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: a way. And Jason told me that he killed last
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: four out of five of his bulls taking that shot,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: and uh, so this bulls rolls in it like we
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: think it's fifteen or sixteen yards, and right at the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: end he pretty much turned, so he's straight on with
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: me at all. There's no quartering anymore at all. And
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, well, let's be a good opportunity
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: to try this, and so I let loose. Jason hadn't
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: even told me. You know it basically aim right where
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: the color changes, where that main ends, and sort of
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: that brisket starts, and that arrow disappeared inside of him,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: and before he spun, you know, you could see the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: blood spurting out. Jason bugles once and then right when
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: his bugle ends, you just hear this loud crash which
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: was him running into an aspen and then kind of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: crashing across these fallen logs that were falling aspen logs
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: that were on the ground. And uh, I'm guessing he
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: was dead in three to five seconds. Really yeah, I mean,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: just so so fast? How do we just stepped out
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: into that alleyway that I described that he walked down.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: We would have seen him. He went seventy yards from
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: where I shot him. We could have seen him piled up.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, you never know, and so we just said,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, let's just PLoP down right here. We'll
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: give it forty five minutes and then we'll go. Look.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we could have just stopped out there and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: walked right up to him. I mean he was dead instantly. Nice. Yeah,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: So um, film the whole damn thing. Oh yeah, some great,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: great footage that. Yeah, we got good footage. So yeah,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: we probably called in. I don't know Jason, but I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: think called in including that spike four or five bowls
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: for me, and then I called in one for him.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: And the remaining two days that we had got him close,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: but sixteen yards he just wouldn't step out from behind us.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: He was at full draw for a long time, two
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: or three to the point where Jason had to let
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: down because he was a full draw for so long.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: So he'll take us, he'll he'll go and and uh,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: if we use our wyoming points, he'll go with us.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: That'd be fun, man, very fun. No, it's great, great
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: hunting with him. He's he's a real pro. Um. We
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: had a blast. What do you think about all that? Taylor?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Recall I heard one thing that perked my hair ears
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: up Jericho Bush steep, dark timber that somewhere in there.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a song. This in there somewhere.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: All Right, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna rip out
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: you got anything you gotta add, then you're gonna rip
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: out your tune for us. Oh yeah, yeah, you're gonna add.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I've somebody I've been. I've always grew up more fishing,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: just because that's what my dad and I did. I've
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: been hunting twice, uh, and I'd love to do some
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: more of it. Just never had the opportunity to always
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: uh just fishing, you know. Um always seemed to be
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: I never had any lessons in it, you know what
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I mean. But I've had two people take me out.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: I seem to like the more moving around, like we
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: did some rabbit hunting, you know, Yeah, sitting in the
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: stand before. I definitely the first time I went fell
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: asleep and knocked my head on the front thing, and
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah that moving around a little bit. Uh.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: You live in Nashville, Yeah, yeah, I been there two
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: years now, so it's been a it's been a great
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: two years. Is it a good Is that a good
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: move for aspiring musicians? Uh, that's the wild thing, man.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: It's all I feel like what I'm doing with my
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: music is very organic because a lot of people they
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: want to be, you know, the next this or that,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: and they like, oh, you gotta move to Nashville. Make it.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh you always hear like that song on
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: the ride? Yeah, yeah, it's good to man, David Encore, right, yeah,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: and uh it's about going to Nashville. That's like one
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: of those things. I never moved there until I had
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: my first publishing deal. So I played in sang my
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: first ever gig January and had a publishing deal with
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: a major company that September, and still didn't even move there,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know it funded me. I stayed back
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: in South Carolina to get this bad boy right here.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: I always wanted to. I thought you had some guitar.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: It was in a burning house or something. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: for sure. Um that's what the wild story is. When
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: I was about X I, I got drum set. My dad,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: he's a carpenter, and he spent three years of his
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: off time building this two story log cabin. We only
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: got to live in for a few months, and uh,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: let me know, on the sad part hits. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: it's about to hit. I do a little and uh
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: moods setting. And so one day I was at school
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: and uh, the house caught on fire and it burned
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: everything we had, and the male truck came up with
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: my first guitar and he's like, I almost didn't bring
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: this up, but I figured somebody needed it, and that's
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: all I had. And as they say, the rest is history.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think of that accompaniment? That's good? It's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: like and when you're watching one of those short films
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: and it gets to like a sad part. And when
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I got the diagnosis and the music will be like
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: in the arms of the Angel when the doctor called
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: with the diagnosis, our hearts just sank like that, right there, Steve. Okay,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: so you're gonna play us some newso yeah, yeah yeah.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Oh So do you sell music to other music? Have
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: you sold a song to another musician? I know, but
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of that I have the market too with
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: the publishing deal. So a lot of people in my field,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: you know, they I'm more of an artist side of things,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: So I write all my own stuff and uh, which
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: that's not something you look to do. Yeah, just because Um,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's so it's one of those things
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: that the way my mind works and how I write
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: and how I play is so not setting me apart
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: in difference. It's just so different. It's not necessarily what selling.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so like somebody let myself. Um, you know,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: they go in and they write, you know, at least
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: two times a week, if not more, and uh, you
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: know they might pitch that to Jason Audine and get
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: something like that. But uh, you know, I just I
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: love language too much play on words for that to
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: be you know, coming through the radio. But I mean
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: the peers I worked with, you know, Keith Urban songs
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: and Buddy Dave Panish, he was the first person I
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: ever co wrote a song with. And uh he's written
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: you know, American Ride the Key, Uh, all kinds of stuff,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Keith Urban stuff. And it's wild because like my mom
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: grew up loving Keith Urban's like early stuff. And now
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: to see you know, we'll play a gig at the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Blueberry Cafe, which is pretty special place in Nashville, and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: she gets to see the people, the stories behind and
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: meet them and it's like, at least I'm making it
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit proud you know what I mean. Good? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: now stay close to that mike. Yeah, well you'll dig
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: this one. So this one, this tune tune, new brand,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: new tune. So y'all heard it first. This one ain't
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: even that's it's gonna be on the new record. I
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: know they probably don't let me playing stuff that I
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: ain't out, but um, y'all get to y'all get to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: hear this, and first it's a good one. It's called
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: black Powder Soul. Black Powder Soul, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Women throw themselves at you when they see in the airport. Um,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I usually have a big Pelican case, like from like,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: because this nice guitar. You don't just be slinging this,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty easy. So people like what is that
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: in that case? And they always asking when I walk through.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: People think it's like a a K forty seven or something.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: So once I gets through, when I get through, they're like,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: what is that? And I always like, it's my samurai sword,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and just throws people off. It's I try
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: to be dry humor and it's sometimes I just don't connect.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: But anyway, here's this. It's a new tune called black
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Powder sat m wool soldier. I'm a lawless man. Don't
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: play pook since that stint spooke cane over some boomling
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: moon shine my bathtub gin. That's why I'm I. Oh
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: over under is my only friend. Oh you black powder,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: black powder soap. I got dark clouds above me. Oh yeah,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: the fire is blue, my heartest botten in my blood
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: drowns cold. I got a black pounder, black powder sold
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: m Oh you can run them tables, you can't outrun
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: them cowboys and hustlers holding a steel wheel hand. The
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: best blood money is what keeps you fit when there
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: rain run. He stole with black powder, black powder soup,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: got dark clouds above me in the fire blue, my
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: heartiest fod my blood brown's cool. I gotta black powder,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: black pounder, soup, black powder so right here, right here
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: in the ticker. Loved it great again? Sounds awesome? Oh no,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: it's great. That's my favorite song. Man. You I like
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: the over undertouch. That's like insider people don't because most
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: people be like double barrel people people are. That's this
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting point is people are always curious about
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: the song where you know? Is it the words of
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: the you know? And it's just it's a hard thing
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: to explain. Like that tune itself took three days to write.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: And so like the first two verses, I keep give
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: you a little insight on it. It might help with
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: that process because any anytime somebody like a songwriter tries
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: to explain it, you know, it's this. It's it's one
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: of those things like how can you explain something that
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: has you know, infinity possibilities down to the letter? You know?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the first I started with the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: line I'm a warless soldier, I'm a lawless man. You
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: know what does that put in your head? You know,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: like this guy he ain't seen the war, but he's
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: a lawless man. He's like he's he's out here in
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Bozeman running around shooting something, you know what I mean?
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, just kind of uh the course of
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: that black powder soul, you know, that kind of tied
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: everything up of this. Um, I don't know. I just
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: love this kind of Western vibe of you know, you
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: get you get kind of like Western you know, Wills,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: you know, something like that. And uh yeah, so like um,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: the over un or stuff. It's uh, I hadn't done
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: a stint in Spokane. But damn, that's a good line,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, if you're writing a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: song and someone's got to do a stint somewhere else
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: over my bathtub gin, you know what I mean, That's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah. Well thanks man, Yeah, man, thank you
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: all for having me. Wish you the best luck of
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: your career. Thank you. Yeah, I heard, I heard that
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: you're gonna become really famous. Man. I hope we can
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: make your money and get a little place over here
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: in uh Paradise Valley. And yeah, you have someone, uh,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: you have a music business person who you can't he
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: really uh is enthusiastic about your talent. Man, It's all
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: worked out. That's why I say it's down to the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: tea of doc. I'm I'm I'm made to do this,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: I believe because I would have never I thought I
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: was gonna be a fishing guy the rest of my life.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: You know. And uh, the people I've met, you know,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: only idiots do that, right, Brody. Yes, the guy that
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, we uh he met it like.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: I was playing one of my first places in Nashville
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: and that night I met my manager. He was to
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: this day him and uh got my publish until that night.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: The guy from the company, he stayed in the green
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: room with us till four o'clock in the morning, listening
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: to songs, and he was like, you know, telling me
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. And I was like, yeah, man,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna ever see this guy again. And so
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I went back to working construction because that's what I
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: did for I moved up there, and sure enough he
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: called me and he's like, you know, we're gonna get
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: you up here. And it's like, man, you know what
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, hold you three? You got playtimes? Yeah, saith
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: oldenough to be your daddy. Man. Everybody is yeah, well, yeah,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get to come see you live when live
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: shows or a thing again. Definitely. I'll be like I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: knew that some of a bit ya he was singing
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: when he was singing intros and nowatrolls for y man,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: that's y'all stomp me for a minute, but now I
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: get what y'all talking about. Yeah, that's great man. Best
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: luck to you, Thanks for coming on the show, Thank
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: you for having me. Thank you very much. Taylor McCall.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: How people are gonna find you? Taylor McAll. You can
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: go on Taylor McCall dot com and we just uh
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: we got the online store for if you want to
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: get a t shirt and have something that's good. Um,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: we you can find me on Instagram, Taylor McCall music
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: and everywhere else. But the tune you just read, the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: tune you just not you didn't read it. That's a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: writer language. The tune you just played is not available,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: only available here if you like what you heard. There
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: were recording the album in November, and it'll be out
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: here soon. So and that song will beyond that and
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: where this version is better than that. Yeah, I was.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Originally there was this tune Quartermaster, Um that's coming out
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and um, I was like, man, they gotta hear some
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: black powder. So today Quartermaster is a great name for
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: a song. Now it is. I wrote it as uh,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: it's kind of this, um kind of this guy goes
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: to war and it's the uh you know how usually
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the husband dies, you know, well he comes back from
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: war and Quartermaster kind of you know, he wasn't a
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: chopper gunner. You know, he was handing out sleeping bags
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: and um, he come back and his his his wife died.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: So I was kind of hold up and on this
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: lake in isolation, that's where I'd love to write. And
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: this huge bookcase I was writing out and I picked
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: up picked up a book and Tyler the book was
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Gentleman Swords and pistols. And that spiraled into like this
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: whole song about that. And you know that's what writing
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: songs is, you know what I mean to me, it's
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: like taking that one thing and turning it into you know,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: like that story and just an imagination. I got a
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: crazy brain. I guess that's great, man, keep it crazy.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, thanks a lot to them, a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: call check them out, uh by some starff from them,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: sweet hats, listen to music. The new album is called
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: what uh nothing, I'm not sure yet. Yeah, you haven't
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: named it. It's coming out, Yeah, it's coming out and
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: includes black Powder song. Yeah, we got so many songs
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: just whiittling down you know what I mean? Black Powder? Yeah,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: I might do some like back up on that. Hell
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: yeah all right, guys, thanks a lot, say