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CUT FREE: Joby Walters on Outlaw Life, Identity & Redemption · Dispatched & Dysfunctional

• Chris Stockton: We're not loud, no, I'm not screaming. Alright. So today's guest is Joby Walters. ⁓ this is one I'm actually looking forward to. Joby, I really appreciate you being here today. I've been looking forward to this one because you've lived a life that most people only ever going would only imagine going from the out you know, hearing your stories, reading them. The outlaw world, the prison, the friendships, loss, and how f how faith has put you back where you are. And now you're putting it all into a book because you want to reach people who may still be stuck where you were. ⁓ there's a lot we could talk about today, but I don't want to introduce you as a lust of labels. So that's actually the opposite of what you're s th where the story is about, you know. So before we get into any of it, tell me about the man sitting across from me today on the camera. ⁓ who is Joby Walters today? Joby Walters: Joby Walters today is a man of faith, a man of God that wants to tell a story, a story of a book called Cut Free. And that title itself says it. I just want to be able to today, with the trials and tribulations, the hurt and the pain that I've gone through in my life, and the happiness of finding God to get me through it. I want to be able to use what I have in my book, my team, and yourself to help the people that need cut free from. And it could be ⁓ one percent of bike or world, PTSD, veterans, prisoners, ⁓ all the way to addiction, all the way to lost, looking for identity, chasing horizons. I'd done that for a long time. And finally the last horizon I came across was I met my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Chris Stockton: That is that is awesome. And just to hear someone like yourself be able to accomplish that. ⁓ I think anyone listening should understand that it wasn't an easy road for you to go down at all. and you know, and that kind of brings me to this you wrote something in your intake that I wanted to come back to. You said that you want every veteran, like you just said, prisoners and outlaw who hears your story to be able to look back on your life and think, if God can save this guy, he can save me too. And that's that's the hell of a reason to tell the story, you know. ⁓ before we get into who you are now, I want to take ⁓ take me back to the identity you were living under then. You know, who did you believe Joby Walters was before you you found Jesus? Joby Walters: Jobie Walters grew up in rural Ohio, Southeastern Ohio, Nelsonville, Ohio, on the High River Valley, squirrel hunting, rabbit hunting, broken family, alcohol, busted family. You know, slept cold at night, had sisters I had to look after. And finally grew up enough that it got separated enough that we was be able to pick where we wanted to go. And my my father pretty well straightened himself up and we went and stayed with my father. And my mother went through some hard times. And I look back on that. And when I came back from service, I took care of some of them old times that she had, some of those hard people. But going back into it, I was ⁓ let's just go back to November 1973, November 26th, when Dad shook my hand at the Greyhound bus and sent me to Fort Campbell, Kentucky to 100 First Airborne said, be a man. And I got on be a man and I got on that bus and I came back a man. But I just came back a broken man, a man that ⁓ that didn't have an identity, everything was gone. ⁓ alcohol, drugs, everything that you witness, you know, when you run away from home and go to the army, you're gonna get into a lot of different things, and even the wars that we got into and the and the men we have today, you know, that that battle that identity, you know. And I I identified with bikers working at Penzel station prior, you know, while I was in high school. I wrote I wrote a 650 Lightning BSA at 15 years old to school and then closed at night at 16 years old at Penzo Station. Boxed with the mechanics, always got punched around. I grew up tough. I I I could take care of myself, wasn't afraid, you know, take a punch. And I didn't have no home. I came back and I went to work and I just ⁓ I wanted to chase the horizon. I wanted to find something. I wanted to find a again, an identity of and and what our people look for today. Chris Stockton: Sounds like it. Joby Walters: And I jumped on a motorcycle. And that was the beginning of ⁓ my ⁓ my career as a biker, I would say, you know. It ⁓ I ran into the Avengers in West Virginia. I think I was on my way to Alabama for a beer from Ohio. Who cared? Where was I gonna go? Maybe down to Florida, make a dollar, you know, just travel here and there, labor pools. And I ran into the Avengers in Huntington, West Virginia. It just so happens I had a bad battery and I was broke down on the road and the guy pulled up and said, Are you headed to that big party down there where they voted in a new state president? Well, men are men, bikers are bikers. I identify with any of them. I I was the same person. I figure, man, if God could find a battery, he'll find one around them boys, you know. And I ended up hanging out with them for a year or so, you know. And ⁓ and I just wanted to it's go on, just move on. out through and I went to Arizona. I always thought about Arizona, went to it. And I was at ⁓ I was at a park downtown drinking a bottle of wine with winos, thinking about the next labor pool to catch a dollar on that old hard tail sportster. Long hair, scraggly beard, dirty jeans, probably didn't have to change clothes. And a cowboy came up and said, ⁓ I got a I got a trailer load of hay I need unloaded. Everybody wanna work. And I said, I'm your man. I I I work. afraid of work, never was. And I went down to that stable and they had horses and it was a dude stable, one of them, you know, pay for a guide for an hour and a big outfit out of Craig, Colorado called Sombrero. Sombrero outfit was a big part of my horse and ⁓ outfitting and learning career in Arizona and Colorado. When I got done they said you work hard, you know horses. I said I can get around about anything. Chris Stockton: That's cool. Joby Walters: And that's when I took the leather off and put the hat on, parked the motorcycle, ended up selling it. And ⁓ yeah, and ⁓ gathered that identity and it was wild, bully. I mean, I I learned horses, I learned how to pack, ride, guide, drive teams, ⁓ guide elk hunters. Yeah, I chased it. I chased it. Just like the outlaw life, I chased it, you know, I was looking for family. Chris Stockton: ⁓ wow. Damn. Joby Walters: I found it in the outlaw world and I found it among them cowboys. I found it around the horses. I found a a demeanor that really settled in my heart. I liked it and I worked hard at it and I became good at it. And then there was this time that ⁓ I wanted to build another motorcycle. Something came in my mind. And ⁓ I thought, well, why not? So I find myself coming out of Ontario, Canada, guiding bear hunters up there. I got into I got into that up there. ⁓ I've been all over the world. Chris Stockton: Ha ha Joby Walters: Just about all over the world. And ⁓ I had a pocket full of money and I quit drinking and ⁓ June third, nineteen ninety two, all right, in Durango, Colorado, at one thirty in the afternoon at a trout pond and I was getting signed out for work release because the policeman didn't really appreciate what I mean and another cowboy did at the El Rancho Bar, the five U'd Indians and the Jack Daniels and cocaine that we had on us, you know, and that that yeah. And ⁓ I got in trouble. So I was up there for work release and fished my buddy signing me out, and my woman there, Marlowe, she says, I'm going to store, what do you need? And I told her, and she goes, You want anything to drink? You don't have to go in for two days. And that was that was that. It was like, let's add this up. And I added up all the hurt and the pain that I'd caused myself, my family, and other people, and all I added. Chris Stockton: All right. Joby Walters: to drugs and alcohol. And when I set my mind to something, I do it. And I didn't have a problem with that either. I wanted my coffee next morning without a cigarette, you know. And so I wanted to build another bike me and and I I did. I I had a girlfriend and her name was Dawn at the time we shot pool together. And when I came back from ⁓ after Marla left me for a while ⁓ I came back from Can I came back from Canada and I had a pocket full of money and I wouldn't my buddies say, Hey, you gotta talk to Don. She's seeing a hell's angel. Man's a man, you know. Don't care what he wears on his back. He's a man, you're a man. That's how I identify with any of ⁓ You want us to respect? Show respect. I'll give you respect. Yes. And ⁓ I walked into that bar she worked that morning and she squealed come out from behind it and said, Howdy and Chris Stockton: Yes, sir. Joby Walters: There was a guy sitting at the Big Hills Angel patch on his back named Hoover, Hoover Siebert. And I said, Introduce me to your friend. And he said, You're that tour hunting guide she talks about. He doesn't know nothing about horses or anything, you know. He you know, and I said, Yeah, I am. And he said, Well, she said you used to ride. I said, Yeah, yeah, out of West Virginia, you know, the Avengers. He says, Well, I'm from Michigan. And why he said that was a name drop. because the Avengers were big in in in Michigan. Yeah, big in every county up there. You know, one percent or club, I mean, you know, to reckon with. There were some good old, there were some good old old old school boys back in them early 80s is when I was with them. And he dropped them now. I said, what we're gonna do, drop some names and we laughed and we did. And ⁓ he had a bike he was selling. And ⁓ yeah I just so happened I'm gonna build me another. talking about it and make a deal and I gave him some money down on what he had and I didn't have nothing going on. He's building a pike and I have a pickup truck. Maybe I can run you around and there's a new clubhouse going up. Cave Creek Charter of the Hells Angels used to be the dirty dozen in the state of in the state of Arizona. And they'd probably they'd probably got along a lot better with all the fighting and everything going on today if it'd stayed dirty dozen 'cause it's getting wild here in Arizona. You know, even today it's it's bad everywhere on every front with all the one percenter clubs. It's a shame. And that was, you know, that was even a journey there that after getting in and everything that I took and I just got tired of it, tired of tired of the fighting and the killing and everything. But Sonny was moving to Arizona, so we drove up there to get a bunch of parts out of the garage to haul down and I met Sonny Barger. And ⁓ Cowboy had like you see me today, you know. Chris Stockton: ⁓ bad. Joby Walters: And ⁓ I thought, boy, Cave Creek's gonna do real good with Sonny and Johnny Angel coming to town, anniversary parties, you know, and birthday parties, and everybody wanna meet Sonny and everything. And we talked and Noelle's woman had horses that were they were bringing to Arizona. I'm a horseshoe, I'm a hand. She told me what kind she had, a breed, and I recognized it and she kind of curious. Sonny asked, who, well, where'd where'd you find this guy at? Hoover told him, he said, there's a little more to him than you think. And so we exchanged numbers, and when Sonny came to Arizona, I spent some time with him on his place with his horses and rode a few with him, maybe a lesson or two, shot his horses, trimmed them, and ⁓ got the bike up and getting ready to go and help him with the clubhouse, just hanging out. No intentions made, none at all. Just Chris Stockton: Yeah. Joby Walters: you know, here I am around Sonny Barger and I think the first thing I ever said to the man when he said, I'm Sonny, I think the first words I ever said was, Cool, you know and and we became friends. Not just because of the you know, the Hells Angel thing of it. I I liked him. He's a good man. I liked him. He's honest, spoke straight and we got along good. And I got the bike going and he said, ⁓ what are you gonna do when you get that motorcycle running? And I looked right at him and I said, I think I'll join your club. And I'd feel an honor if you'd bring me up and sponsor me, Sonny. And he said to me, We need to talk a little bit, but I don't have a problem with that. So I knew right then that I was stepping into a a whole different world. I mean, the top of the food chain when it came to a an ⁓ you know, an id identity. And I was identifying back to the one percent of the outlaw motorcycle club world. And I switched it that quick. I neglected things. I neglected my hounds. I neglected my woman. When Sonny said that you'll either lose your job, your wife, your woman, your house, your life, or go to prison, he wasn't wrong because I lost all those when I put that patch on. I rode for the brand. I rode with him. And ⁓ it was ⁓ Target going down the road. Brotherhood was there. That's what I was wanting. There's some good men in there, man. Some guys I see every day in my eyes, wondering how they are. I hope they're alive because they're good men. And then you have the dirt and the grime and everything else in life. You know what the cops want to put on you, the feds or whatever, thinking that you're notorious as a group of everything. Not looking at individuals. I looked at the individual. I chose my friends. I chose my brothers. Chris Stockton: Right. Joby Walters: Because the man I don't know that chose a problem for me to have to deal with that, which is putting a putting a sight on my back on a on a fight that I had no business being in. Those things they don't look at. Would you die for that patch? I didn't want to. I didn't. And they well they call it today, the ultimate sacrifice. That's that's that part. Yes, sir. Yeah. Chris Stockton: Yeah, that that's wow, that's ⁓ that's quite a story. ⁓ quite a life. ⁓ i i I I kinda wanna go back to you y you specifically ⁓ connected Vietnam to your identity struggle that came back later. ⁓ and I don't wanna just br I don't wanna breeze past that. ⁓ so you didn't just list Vietnam Vietnam as part of your resume. You said that the experience was a big reason you struggled with identity. ⁓ could you help me understand that connection? What did Vietnam shape you in the way that ⁓ after you came home losing people. Joby Walters: Losing people, losing people, growing up growing up fast, growing up real fast. You know. I became a training NCO in Europe, you know, and just I I look I look back on, you know, that this this book can help those people, you know, ⁓ to to cut ⁓ free from that that the PTSD that you have. Okay. I I just recently ran into an article and I I'd like to show it to you. And I wish I'd have had time today to really go over it. And I found it at the VA hospital. I went up there the other day. And it and and it's this article right here. It's a movie come out. Can you read that? Chris Stockton: I'm sure if I screw blew a screen up I could. Joby Walters: It's fight the fighting spirit, a combat chaplain's journey. Okay. And when when I read that, you know, what it brought was the people that we had, the men that come from war, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, all over, all the world, you know, they're running with PTSD, okay, let's just say, you know. And you think that you can just, you know, God intervenes in on that through a chaplain and he prays for. your health or your your you know you you you you've lost limb you know and we're playing for you to get better or whatever. And I found through this article that there's two there's two deceptions to that I found. One is praying for the soul. The man has to live with what properties he has on his body and what he's lost. You know, he's gonna have to live with that. You want to pray for the healing on that. Let Go to the soul first. Make sure that he has that faith and that God, because God'll help you with that. The healing will come on its own with the faith of God, no matter w what endeavor. I mean, it it it will come. And it says it in this article and in this movie. And I like to relay that to to people out there. And even prisoners where where my book's gonna reach. Prisoners that are in there and identify with the way of life I lived or the or the the the hurt and the pain that they've, you know, had in family and they take it, you know, out on the street and they have nothing and drugs, robbing, stealing, fighting. I found out preaching in prison, which I did ⁓ when I went to prison. Yeah. I preached I took the Lord with me there. I I didn't find him in there. I took him there with me and I fought for him. I throwed hands for my God in there. But I found out that those prisoners, what they want is not not religion shoved down their throat. Chris Stockton: That's awesome. That's amazing. Joby Walters: They want love, they want respect, and they want forgiveness. And my book and our God can give ⁓ that. It can give ⁓ that. That's where I stand on that. Chris Stockton: That's that's awesome right there. Especially that you took that in there and you didn't y you helped others, you know, find God and and that right there I I I don't even have words for that. You know, that's that's awesome that you were able to do that at at such in in such a horrible place, you know. Joby Walters: The hardest of the hardest, man. I've sat down with the Serenos, the Northsiders, the Aryan Brotherhood, the Peckerwoods, all at one table and said, look at you guys, man. You know, a leader of men, leader of the ⁓ of everybody in here. You call the shots. How would you like to leave your men to freedom in a place like this, where they have love, respect, and forgiveness all at once, right here, right at this table. You can do that. And they got up and walked away from me. And one came back and said, You need to quit preaching to our boys on the yard. I said, I'll throw hands over that. Bring your best. And I fought for God on that yard. The winner stayed on the yard. I preached on the yard. Yep. Chris Stockton: That's wow. ⁓ that's all I gotta say on that one is wow. That's you know, that that that's something that I don't think a lot of people would have the courage to be able to fight for or the pride to be able to defend in the end. You know, that's something that you're proud of being who you are. You're proud of God. And that shows a lot, especially trying to f f trying to do that like you said in prison. ⁓ Joby Walters: Yes, I am. Chris Stockton: Against all of that, ⁓ that's just wow. Joby Walters: I I look at I look at people today that I talk to and it's not necessarily just a preaching in the gospel of you know going from verse to verse. It's talking about a way of life, about their life, about listening. Let them tell you what their needs are, and then you tell them who can help them. And you you can go to literature on it, or you can say, Well, you know, he did this for me, man. And I'll tell you what, if the Lord can pluck me away from what he did and let me live or necessarily survive what I've been through to chase him and to identify with him, then he can do it for anybody. Anybody. Anybody. Chris Stockton: Him. So there's a part of your intake that really caught me as well. ⁓ it caught my attention. It said, You wrote, I was this terrible person, and then I became somebody completely different. You're saying something more interesting than that to me. You know, you said God made you tough, fearless, and strong. But that didn't mean he designed you to be a wolf. Those same traits that you could use to make you a sheepbot, sheepdog as well. I want you to unpack that for me if you don't mind, because that's your language and the way you're under of understanding of what you changed. ⁓ when did you realize the traits themselves weren't the problem of what caused this? Joby Walters: What what called Chris Stockton: Yeah, what what what what when did you realize the traits themselves weren't the problem? You know, the traits of your your your traits, you know, the the fearlessness, the toughness, the strongness, and that you knew that ⁓ he designed you to be a wolf, you know, God designed you to that you could be a wolf. ⁓ but you could have also used it as a sheepdog, but you didn't. You s re remained tough, you remain strong. And you know, when did you realize those traits weren't a problem for you in the end? Joby Walters: When I had to fight my own in the club, when I had to when I had to go take care of something that that that I wasn't back for, there was nobody there for me, you know, something that I'd really bonded to, you know, knowing that, you know, this brotherhood that I have. And when that happened, I'd had enough. And I took the fight to the people that on my own. And I was left stranded. Nobody was there to take a bullet for me. Nobody was there to, you know, to to to watch my back, you know, or anything like that. And that's when I'd had enough and I expressed it. I'm done. I don't need you. But when I pulled that patch off and put it in that bag and all the other hell's angel paraphernalia that I had to just erase myself from that, from that religion, from from what I'd lived, the toughness, the non fear. I shedd blood. I went to prison twice for the club. Shedded blood for it many times. Had to look bad things. Dark. But the darkness left when I did all that. When I took that off and said, well, Job, you're gonna have to find a new identity again. I went back to the mountains. I went to Mexico. And a friend of mine through life, Tom Dishon, I cherish him today. I love that man. And he was my mentor and God. He sent me a box down there. When I had to say, hey, I'm leaving. I'm done. And I'm facing charges. I'm facing eighty years racketeering. Yeah, I'm I'm in trouble. You know, yeah, the Harris incident, ⁓ Black Biscuit, the fight with the Vagos, it all caught up to me and I was alone. And I said, Well, I'm not gonna put up with this. I'm not gonna the fear of the fight didn't hurt me. I just didn't want to I didn't want to be incarcerated for eighty years. That's a life sentence to me. So I went to Mexico. And if anybody could just say, hey, I'm done, I'm going to Mexico, say bye to their family. And I mean sisters, mother, I'm gone. You probably never hear from me again. My two or three close friends. Here's my box to heck with you guys. I'm done with you. Leave me alone. I'm going away. And I went down there with my dogs, got on them big cattle ranches, and I made a living for two and a half years. on the big haciendas, riding the mountains and the canyons and the rough country on good horses and mules that no white man has ever seen. And catching lions and bears for these haciendas for, you know, keeping them off their cattle and making a living at it. And ⁓ I got caught and ⁓ I came back. And that's when ⁓ that's when I went, you know, I went to prison and I turned around the courtroom. And I said to him, as I'll say again, and I think this is the first time I've ever said this on a on an interview or anything. And I turned around in that courtroom and stopped all proceedings with the judge in Kingman, a federal judge. I ain't played softball against him, you know, as a Hells Angel in Kingman, Arizona. And I said, Can I say a few words? And he said, Yes. And I turned around to three Hells Angels dressed like we are in the back courtroom. I said, I'm going to prison by myself. I'm done with you. Leave me alone. And I was set free right then. And when that judge looked and I knew I was looking at all that time, charges had gotten dropped, maybe eight years. He gave me two and a half. I knew I had won. I knew my prayers were answered. I knew that I was going to be able to do what I needed to do in there. And when I come out, I'm going back to the life with Jesus, back to the ranch, back to where I belong, and that's where I went. And I asked the Lord, I said, Why clear out here writing a book and doing what I'm doing with the team I have? I said, Why clear out here alone? And the Lord answered me. He said, So you'll get to know me better. And I sure did. I sure did. Chris Stockton: That's that's amazing. That's man, that's you you don't hear that often that someone gets to leave those that world behind and and you know, grow and and and strengthen themselves in the end, like you did. That's a feat in its own itself and and that's amazing. I'm I'm glad you're still with us. I'm glad you're doing a lot better and and I and I'm so grateful that you're able to preach to people and and get them to understand the gospel as you are. and and I know it's the way we're weird way to put this, ⁓ I don't know why I wrote it this way, but this is why the timing of this episode matters is your story is being published September twenty second, and you didn't tell me I want to sell a bunch of books. You told me exactly who you're trying to find it with, the veterans, the prisoners, the outlaws, and people who are struggling with an identity that isn't it's centered on Christ. So when you were writing this, who were you picturing on the other side of the page? Joby Walters: one person man that one person we're shooting for a thousand but you give me that one that'll identify with the Lord and turn and say you know this this changed me and grace upon grace and it changed me then yeah that's who I'm looking for on the other side page and maybe that person will reach out to the next but you give me one and it'll flow it'll go it will Chris Stockton: That one person. Joby Walters: I believe this. I believe in it. I love it. I believe in him. And the only reason that this book is being wrote because there was a man in my life that sat in my camp out in Arizona named Robert Johnston and ⁓ on an elk hunt and me and him sat and shared. And he upped my game. He really did. And he said you oughta write a book and there was no way and I could ever do what we've what what my team And where God has led us, and every moment, ⁓ every page, every page, every number on these pages in this book has been in prayer and has been moved by Lord Jesus. I swear on that. If it wasn't for him, and if it wasn't for the people that up my game, to believe in myself and the people that I have that believe in me and what we're doing, we wouldn't be where we are here today. We wouldn't. And that's out there for everybody. Chris Stockton: That's amazing. Joby Walters: You have faith and you choose, grace will come on you, man. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. Yeah. Chris Stockton: Yes, sir. So what do you hope a veteran recognizes in your story? Joby Walters: I hope he realizes that there's hope and there's prayer and there's people out there that that care, you know, for him. Not just ⁓ not just the disabilities that he has, you know. You can you can sit silent or beside him on that and not say nothing, but his soul, his heart, the help that he can receive, you know, his mind, you know. Not just the difficulties and and and what ails him, the leg's gone or the the PSD or where's my you know, where's my head? Let's open his heart. The Lord will help him with his head. I guarantee it. That's where I want to reach that person. Chris Stockton: That's yeah. So what about it does. And that that that's awesome. That it it's gonna make sense to people, you know. And what do you hope that a prisoner recognizes? Joby Walters: Help that makes sense. Recognize that there is love, respect, and forgiveness for him. And it's all right there. Right there. Chris Stockton: So you said the takeaway you want is simply there is hope for me. Why was that the message you needed the book to carry? Joby Walters: Say that again, please. Chris Stockton: That's okay. ⁓ you said the takeaway you want is simply there is hope for me. Why was that message the one you needed this book to carry? Joby Walters: 'Cause i it if the Lord looks back at me and he has and the wrongs that I've done and the things that I've done and the darkness, and I'll say it again, He sheds light he sheds light on all of it now. And that one person right there that has that dark, dark heart, there is light at the end of that tunnel, and it'll shed light on your heart. That's what I mean by that one person just having Just having that right there. Get out of the darkness, man. Come to the light. Come to the light. Chris Stockton: I love it. Joby Walters: He ⁓ he died on the cross for you too. For you too. And I tell him at the end, you know, I may not have what you need, but I know who does, and his name's Jesus. Amen. Yep. Chris Stockton: Yes, sir. Amen on that one. So all right, before I let you go, ⁓ I got a few short questions. ⁓ don't overthink ⁓ So what is the biggest lie the wrong identity tells a man? Joby Walters: I'll take a bullet for you. Chris Stockton: One word for Vietnam. Joby Walters: Time. Chris Stockton: One word for brotherhood. Joby Walters: False. Chris Stockton: I love that one. ⁓ one word for prison. Joby Walters: One word for prison. Time. Yeah. Chris Stockton: Time. One word for Sonny. Joby Walters: Been a good Christian. Sonny Barger. Yeah. He ⁓ me and him spent a lot of time together and there in a day go by since some days when I when he didn't like the way I left and why didn't matter that I don't think about him. Some people say, and I've heard cops say, you know, even with my life today, he was an evil man. In my eyes he wasn't. He was a thoughtful man. Chris Stockton: Yeah, I love it. Yep. One word Joby Walters: He was a leader. He could have led them men to Christ, he could've led them to war, and he has. You know, but I tell you what, ⁓ he was a man's man and I There's not meanness in him. You look at him. There's not. I didn't see him like that. I saw him as a friend, as a brother. You know? And of everybody, there's some good men out there that say, wow, Joby's gone. He left. He quit. Why? Because Joby had to fight his own. And the one person I probably let down more, and I pray for him all the time, and before he died, was Sonny Barker. Yeah. Yes, sir. There is Chris Stockton: That's awesome. So what what do veterans need to hear y yes, sir? What what do veterans need to hear more often? Joby Walters: What do I? Chris Stockton: What do veterans need to hear more often? Joby Walters: Veterans need to hear more often that there's hope for you, there is help for you, and we need to give them more help. And it's there, but I like to see ⁓ get a lot more than what they're getting today. Chris Stockton: All right, and then last question, what do tough men misunderstand about strength? Joby Walters: What do tough men misunderstand about what? Friends? Strength It isn't there all the time. It's here. Chris Stockton: Str strength. Yes, sir. Joby Walters: That's what they misunderstand. Chris Stockton: So Joby, there's one thing I want to Joby Walters: I had that. I had that and I used that. And I used meanness and I used rough and tough and not scared. But I find myself using my heart today. It gets me a lot further. gets me more respect. And he's and he's the one that's given that to me. He gave me a heart. I had a dead one at one time. But now I don't. Chris Stockton: Very true. So there's one thing that I wanted to make sure we didn't leave unsaid. ⁓ you came in this wanting to reach a very specific person, the veteran, the prisoner, the outlaw, or anybody else who's gotten so wrapped up in an identity they can't imagine being anything different. You've been that guy. So forget me in the microphone for a second. Talk to him. If he's listening right now, thinking maybe other people can change, but you don't know what I've done, you don't know who I am. What do you want him or her to hear from a man who's actually been there? Joby Walters: I want you to see somebody who cares, somebody that looks at you in the eye and can see your heart. And knowing that you need that help and can feel that you need that help. I'm that man that can see it, I can feel it, and I want to help. That's what it is. I don't want to throw hands no more. I want to throw hands to the Lord. Chris Stockton: Awesome. Joby Walters: Catch that. Chris Stockton: Yes, sir. Joby, I appreciate you trusting me with all this inform all this today. It was been amazing. ⁓ your book comes out September twenty second. For the people listening who heard themselves, somewhere in this conversation, where can they find the book? Follow what you're doing or learn more about you. Joby Walters: Go to jobywalters.com. And ⁓ the launch dates the 22nd of September. And ⁓ jobywaters.com will tell you how, when, where. And if you want to leave me a message, you want me in prayer, you want to talk to me, I'm a phone call away and I'll pick the phone up and I'll call you. Get a hold of me. If I can help you, I will. If I can lead you, I will. If you need me to speak, I'll be there for you. Chris Stockton: That's amazing. And again, Joby, thank seriously for coming on today and being willing to tell the story, you know, behind the labels. I appreciate everything about you. You know, this this has been a great podcast today. ⁓ anyone listening, if you need help, support, text or call nine eight eight, or if you just want to connect, reach out to me on Facebook or my critical dash run dot com. Again, reach out to Joby on his Joby Walters dot com website. We're building this for you, for them, for all of us. Y'all have a good one. Joby Walters: Chris, thank you. Chris Stockton: Yes sir, you're welcome. I'm gonna go ahead and hit stop.