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Episode 31 No Mercy 2002!!! · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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  Let the truth be told. King is a murdering You are a murderderer.
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  Denial fuels the anchor. I am not Katie's an accent. How don't you
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  tell the world the whole true. You are a murder Guilt poisons the soul.
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  It's something that I have to lose, an accent, thing that I've
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  thought afied avery. Now you killed Katie Vic. My games are over?
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  What show what champion? The inter continental champion? Visit the World heavyweight champion
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  winner? Take ah who will show no mercy? King might be able to
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  take the life of a sweet girl like Katie Big. You think I want
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  to get into regular murderer be able to take my title to heat? He
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  speeded the sunto where's your head? Taker? Are we in it? Is
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  it haunted by ghosts from your past? Do you fear your unborn child may
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  never see a healthy daddy after this man unleashes his fury on you tonight.
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  Yes, you were the phenom during a decade of destruction, and this is
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  your signature match, one which you have ruled with domination and brutality. But
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  you've never walked through hell with a man as sadistic as bro ruthless animal that
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  has destroyed the greatest icon the world has ever seen. This is the new
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  phenom that is going to annihilate. Lay waste to your leged, destroyed law
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  that you all so why to some bad man. Rest in peace and now
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  w W E no mercies. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Least requested,
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  least demanded, and the least downloaded wrestling podcast bc W. This could
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  be a long podcast, so strapping and shut up, and don't be a
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  little bit about it, oh ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, chilling
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  of all asies. Welcome to another episode of pc W. I am your
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  host Wayne. You may also know me as semi dried Chicken. And today
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  we're going back in time. We're gonna take the time machine. We're gonna
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  go back to two thousand and two, and we're gonna talk about no mercy
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  be you know what. I'm not gonna do it alone here with me my
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  co host. What's up, Trey Yoh? What did do? PCW crew?
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  What's going on? Two thousand and two? How old were you in
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  two thousand and two? I was twenty one, twenty one, oh man,
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  I was young as ship twenty two. Wow, all right, let's
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  uh, let's bring on our other co hosts. Oh my god, you
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  know what I have the fong music here? Oh, box to media,
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  you know what? I have old music in here? What was I doing?
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  What was I thinking? Oh, man, don't worry, don't worry.
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  The WW has had these problems before. We can fix it. Uh
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  fix it in problem. Didn't realize I was co hosting with myself. Yeah,
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  listening, it's out all right now, I got it. Yeah right,
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  It's like for a while I was like, wait a second, I
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  just pulled. Uh. Man, if I was a guy backstage, i'd
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  be fired so quickly. All right, let's try this again. He had
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  me think of that old John claud band damn movie Double Impact Doyle. Oh
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  it's me, it's me. It's a d O. I l e U
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  coming from a relatively smoke free Philadelphia where I can finally breathe. But you
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  can't get out or you can't get in because the highways are collapsed so much.
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  Yeah, I heard about that. How bad is the traffic up there?
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  Now? I don't drive, so it doesn't affect me a tick,
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  but I've heard that it's a fucking living nightmare. Really, I can imagine
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  because that's the entire Did they shut down the entire instate or just a lane?
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  Yeah, the northbound completely collapsed and the southbound was compromised enough that they
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  have to pull all that down too. So that's gonna be months. Jesus,
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  I'm not coming to Philly anytime soon. Look, no, no way
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  now that traffic. Hopefully they'll have a face before WrestleMania. God, I
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  hope. I'll tell you what, if businesses are smart, they will rack
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  up on bicycles and scooters and ship man wave people to get around. Yeah,
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  that's like a major thoroughfare for the East Coast, you know what I
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  mean, Like, oh yeah lane, you know, like that's gonna fuck
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  up a lot. Oh yeah yeah, especially with um imagine like shipping and
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  transport between the truck drivers and ship that take ninety five and I imagine a
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  bunch of them run through Philadelphia. Yeah, it's gonna be rough in the
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  Northeast for a while. Oh yeah, yeah, it's kind Besides the smoke,
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  now we gotta now we're gonna have traffic jams. First it was the
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  water, Now it was smoke. Now we just can't win here in Pennsylvania.
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  Yeah, Like I said, if I lived there or not had to
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  deal with that, I'd be looking for a bike right now. Like I'm
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  just riding a bike everywhere from here on out. I'm not even taking my
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  car nowhere. All right, guys, Well today we're gonna change things up
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  to things a little different because we have a nice gap between pay per views.
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  You know, it's kind of nice. After Instimania season, we get
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  like Wrestimania Backlash and Night of Champions and you know, we got a Saudi
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  Arabia and come back and it's just it's exhausting. So it's nice that they
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  give us a break. You know. We had. The last pay per
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  view was on a Saturday one in the afternoon, which was so freaking weird,
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  you know. I mean, it's it's weird enough that the past couple
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  of years they changed the pay per views from Sunday night to Saturday night,
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  which I actually enjoy, but you know, having those that pay per view
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  at one time or two times a year where it's like smack in the middle
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  of the day. Yeah, but if you if you like that, you're
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  gonna love money in the bank because we're getting another one. Yeah, I
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  think it's at three o'clock. Yeah, I'm not sure. Uh, just
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  you know, we gotta get used to it. We can't always have it,
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  you know. Uh So we're gonna do No Mercy two thousand and two.
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  Now. I know it's funny because I always get No Mercy and No
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  Way Out always mixed up. So I myself almost started watching No Way Out
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  and I was like, wait a second, this isn't the one I picked,
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  Drey, I think you had that. Yeah, that was my first
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  thought when you said No Mercy. The first thing that came to my mind
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  was No Way Out two thousand and two. I'm thinking nWo and all that
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  shit. Yeah, right right for me, you know, thinking back to
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  I actually had to like look at the card and look at the storylines,
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  and you know, it's been a long long time since I've seen this,
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  and it kind of reminded me of like the first pay per view to one
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  of the first pay per views to really kick off the brand split that they
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  had after WrestleMania, you know, the introduction to the Undispeeded title which was
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  on Brock and then the World title now on Raw and kinda there's a lot
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  of things in this pay per view that made me think of modern day things
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  that were going through and that was one of them, like, you know,
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  extra titles here, and then also what happens with the Intercontinal title here?
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  And for the past year, the Intercontinal title has really been elevated,
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  you know, with Guther just reaching a year recently actually, So to see
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  what happens, they throw what's nice, They throw a little vignette, a
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  little video package of the historied Intercontinent title, which I thought was pretty nice
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  and you know, kind of convenient for our modern day situation. You know.
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  Well, it's weird because they're consolidating titles. They they unify the Hardcore
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  and the European into the Intercontinental title, but they're adding this ridiculous second tag
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  team championships, which you could argue they never really needed two. That's the
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  tag Belt. That's a whole different story. Amazingly, was maybe the match
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  of the decade, but we'll get to that later. Yeah. Um,
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  yes, it takes place in North Little Rock, Arkansas. At tendance was
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  over ten thousand, but the buy rate was over three hundred thousand. Well,
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  yeah, this is this is the first and only so far pay per
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  view in Arkansas, and part of the reason I think you just you mentioned
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  the ten thousand tickets sold. According to Meltzer, they only a week before
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  they had only sold four thousand, when to me, it's about half of
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  that audience is paper, you know, is giveaways. Oh yeah, and
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  the building holds uh well, who It's hard to say what the capacity for
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  wrestling would be, but just for comparison's sake, for basketball holds eighteen thousand,
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  for hockey it holds seventeen thousand, for arena football holds sixteen thousand.
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  They configured it to hold twelve twelve thousand, five hundred. They only got
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  ten thousand people in the duat. So, yeah, the business is down
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  at this point. And you you mentioned the three thousand, uh I'm sorry,
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  the three hundred thousand by rate to the lowest buy rate of any pay
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  per view in two thousand and two, but it was higher than the next
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  five Uh no mercies. Uh was kind of interesting. Uh. And yeah,
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  Rock and Stone called have left at this point, and they're bringing in
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  they I mean, they always call it a male soap opera. They actually
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  brought in soap opera writers at this point, which led to some great storylines
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  which we will discuss. Yeah, I definitely remember that, but I mean
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  I literally couldn't give tickets away to the show. Yeah yeah. And like
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  this is like when the brand split I guess really did kick off, because
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  they didn't really have a brand split before this, right, Uh, this
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  was fairly I would say this is probably fairly early on within the brand split.
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  Yeah yeah, yeah, pay per view maybe maybe, yeah. Yeah,
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  because Brock Lessner when he was champion, you know, that's when they
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  decided to give Triple Asia world title. I mean like literally just give it
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  to him, handed over it. Yeah yeah. At the time, when
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  Lesner won the title at SummerSlam, that was still the only title. They
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  hadn't introduced the World Headweight Championship yet. M And like it's funny because we
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  kind of got that too, because you know, uh, there was a
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  point where those were two titles, the old WCW Big Golden Bell and the
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  WW title at Jericho one, and then you know, once Triple H got
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  it, they were able to merge him into one undisputed title, which what's
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  brock swearing. And we kind of saw that recently with Roman Reigns getting his
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  Universal title in the WW title into a golden you know, basically just and
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  to me it looks like the same title, just gold. I don't think
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  like that belt that Snoop Dogg runs around with somewhat. Yeah, I don't
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  think t was the first one of Rock the Undisputed. I think the Undisputed
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  title actually debuted with Hulk Hogan maybe you know what it may have it may
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  have been with I think it was because Triple As got it, Hogan beat
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  him for it, and somewhere around there, I believe they introduced the Undisputed
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  title and it was smaller, and then around what was whatever pay per view
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  it was in July that had the Triple Threat match with Rock Hogan and I
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  mean not Rock Rock undertaking curd Angle. Around that time, they sized up
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  the Undisputed title and made a much larger because I think people marked on how
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  small it looked when it first debuted. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah for
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  sure, yeah that one once or some tweaking throughout the years, like it
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  was really shiny gold and then it came to like a like almost like a
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  bronze kind of gold. I don't know how to really explain it, Like
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  it was darker. It wasn't a shiny you know. I remember like,
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  uh where it was going back and forth between Kurt Angle and Broun Lesner and
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  when Eddie Guerrerow finally got the you know, GBL possibly But uh, I
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  like whatever version this is, I like it. I thought it looked good.
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  Yeah, yeah, I like it too. Um. You know,
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  it didn't need a massive W in the center for us to know it was
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  you know ww title like geeze. That was actually one of the things I
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  know that, Like all of the titles are like that, right, they
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  have a tiny little logo at the top or whatever. None of them are
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  do I mean every single belt is different now, yeah, and none of
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  them are dominated by the logo. Yeah, I mean, like the reason
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  is because of branded you know, like yeah, Hunters sending the Denver Nuggets
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  a belt, you know, and what does it have a giant fucking uh
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  wwflogo or sorry WWE logo on it? Uh? And that's not a mistake,
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  you know. Yeah. Um. This is also coming hot off of
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  the pay per view before it, which is Unforgiven, and the one after
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  this is Rebellion. So these are two pay per view names I haven't heard
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  in a long time unforgiven and rebellion, so we didn't get rebellion here in
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  the States exactly. Yeah, yep, Manchester, England. So h yeah,
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  let's start off with this card. The first match to kick off is
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  the wh is the world title because the SmackDown with the WWE, So yeah,
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  the World tag title, which I like that style. They did change
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  it later, which I was okay with, but like I did like this
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  original old school style because then when they introduced we'll talk about later the SmackDown
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  ones, the Smackdowns were just a blue version of them, I think,
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  like just more blue on them. They they didn't start, uh changing the
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  trap colors. Yeah, well this is this is the title that uh,
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  you know the Heart Foundation had and the Legion of Doom had, and you
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  know all those Strike Force had and but this this linear the lineage of this
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  title is dormant at this point, it's no longer the the belts that u
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  Ko and um Sammy are currently holding have no association with this, with this
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  championship anymore. So. Um, it was funny because when Jericho came out,
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  Uh, I was like wondering what version of Jericho we were getting throughout
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  the years. You know because Jericho has changed so much throughout the years.
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  Um. In this match, Uh, we didn't step on the pyro though
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  at the beginning, which I did like about this time period of wrestling.
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  Um. Actually, before I set this match, there was a dark match
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  forehand with a Hurricane defeating Stephen Richards in three minutes in five seconds. Because
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  it's not even on the pay per view, like, so it's definitely a
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  dark match. Just weird that's not listed as a dark match. Uh.
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  And for the tag titles here, we have Chris, Jericho and Christian uh
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  defeating Booker T and gold Dust. Um. I actually like Christian and and
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  Jericho. Like Jericho has gone through many tacting partners throughout the years. I
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  think Christian was like one of my favorites. Uh. This is pre cut
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  hair Christian pre Uh you know better theme music, Christian? You know I
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  like this theme music? You like this? I don't like this. I
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  think I think I don't like his look at all. Yeah, that's a
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  bit of a spoiler. Uh yeah he looks it looks like he looks like
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  spark Bob spark Plug Holly. Yeah right, he first came out, UM,
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  gold Dust and Booker team as a tag team. You know, I
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  didn't enjoy them as a tag team for a while. I know they were
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  like a hard team to get together. Um. I kind of remind me
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  maybe a little bit of like Randy Orton and Matt Riddle, Like, you
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  know, two guys who don't work don't think they would work well together,
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  but you know they actually do have some good chemistry. So you know,
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  I always like them as a tag team. Booker Team went through a bunch
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  of tag team partners along with gold Dust. Uh, it's kind of funny,
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  I think, let me senor. Oh, so, Booker Team is
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  probably like the only guy who's retired right now, right, Christian is still
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  active and gold Dust and jerco On a well, he was retired, but
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  he was in the Rumble this year, you know, like yeah, yeah,
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  but he said that was pretty much it for him. He said after
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  that, Yeah, it's amazing that you've seen all for these dudes on your
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  television screen this year. It's still going, yeah, um, match well
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  for eight minutes forty six seconds, So this guy's got a lot of time
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  here. Um. Uh, we're probably gonna talk about later, but do
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  you guys believe when Jericho did the line, tried to do the lion saw
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  and he broke the second roupe. Do you guys think that was a plant
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  or do you think that like was a legit accident because I just saw it
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  again and it looked like it was an accident. Wasn't meant to be it
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  does, but it looks like he's going to the lion saw hooker who isn't
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  on the ground right, So like that that that that's the thing. And
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  and I give credit to Jericho because if it was a mistake, they sure
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  made it pretty smooth. You know. I feel like, um, a
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  lot of guys or a lot of talent would be lost, you know,
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  or there would be a visible like oh fuck, what do we do now
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  kind of moment, and it was pretty smooth. Um. Uh, you
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  know, he was lucky he didn't break his neck. Uh, you know,
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  he fell his you know, I say what you want to about Jericho,
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  but uh, you know, a match with with four pretty much legends.
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  I mean you could you probably put dust In at the at the bottom
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  of that tier if you want, but he stood out. You know,
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  he stands out as probably the legendist you know, uh, just for for
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  the situation awareness being able to pivot, you know, just spur the moment,
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  figure out a new plan um. And he's kind of got a history
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  of that. Uh. I remember Jeff Hardy Surprise Surprise was botching a whisper
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  in the wind whatever it's called, and he was going to dump on his
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  head and Jericho ran up and kind of pushed him and say from that,
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  you know it kind of similar situation. Uh, He's um, yeah,
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  I mean he's real great with just you know, knowing what's going on and
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  making the right decision, you know, spur of the moment um. It
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  kind of watching someone else watched it back. I think I don't think that
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  was planning. That had to have been a mistake because it looks like Jericho
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  is going not necessarily for the lion sault, but that springboard drop kick he
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  normally did. He did, Yeah, that's what it looks like he's going
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  for. Then the rope just completely gives out on him, and even the
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  referee looks shocked in the moment, and it's like trying to look and see
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  what happened. So just to plan something like that, like what, what
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  doesn't plan a rope break exactly? I know, you got to remember the
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  Rockers first title tag title win. No, I do not remember what happened.
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  Well, it wasn't it. It was in a non televisor right,
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  well, yeah, it was. Its supposed to be four um for Saturday
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  Night's main event. They were they were two out of three falls with the
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  Heart Foundation and uh during this between the first fall and the second fall,
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  the top rope breaks. Uh. And I mean it's fucking it's it's Brett
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  and Shawn. You know like that you couldn't pick two better people to be
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  Uh in that scenario, I don't think. Uh, Brett put Shawan and
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  a front face lok forever. And you can tell, like you know,
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  in retrospect, you go back and look at it. Um, they're clearly
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  figuring out what the hell they're gonna do. They end up putting the top
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  rope back on blah blah blah, but Vince hated it so he didn't never
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  aired the match. Um, Andville was supposed to leave the company ended up
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  signing an extension so the Hart Foundation didn't end up dropping the titles then anyway,
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  Rockers ended up never winning the titles. Uh. Sorry, I was
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  like back to this, he goes for it looked like he was going to
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  go for the lion saw, and I was wondering if that's how he was
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  going to finish the match. But he makes up for it by doing uh
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  you know, basically a moonsaw off the top rope, which I don't see
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  Jericho doing a whole lot of uh you know, the kind of policy too,
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  right, like trusting that jap oh yeah, on all your weight on
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  that to do a soult. But for me, this this match was just
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  the middle of the road, you know, three you know out of five.
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  It was a good way just to kick off the pay per view.
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  Uh. You know, at this time period, we have a lot of
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  title matches on the card, which is uh you know, as as we
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  see going on, sometimes they start taking this title matches off. But it
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  looks pretty heavy for this card. Uh yeah. I gave it a three
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  out of five too. It was a decent, little, fast paced match
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  just to get the crowd warmed up and going. You know, obviously got
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  four good workers in the ring, so you know, they all showed good
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  chemistry with each other and great you know, uh on the fly thinking with
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  the rope break, so and they managed to pull it off. In without
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  anybody getting injured and still have a decent finish. So yeah, three out
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  of five. Cool. Yeah, I feel like I criticized the product these
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  days because I'm I'm often critical of the opening match, But here, I
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  thought that was a great opening match. You know, solid what was it?
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  Nine minutes? Just about it pretty much NonStop? Yeah, it's pretty
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  much now. You know, if it had gone twelve minutes, that means
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  there's two three minutes of rest holes in there, you know what I mean,
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  I could live without that. Uh, we just having a you know,
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  pretty much NonStop action. Um we talked about I forgot the book or
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  T and gold Dust were a tag team for so long. They're talking,
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  they talk about in this match, what they're gonna call themselves. They I
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  guess they arrived at book Dust and I remember right that, right, but
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  you know I remember It's it's just funny to me and like it seems like
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  such a flash in the pan, but I us they were together for a
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  little while anyway. Yeah, I don't one thing I never understood that Shattered
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  dreams the gold Dust does. Why is that not a DQ when everybody else
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  getting punched in the balls is a DQ? I never made sense to me.
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  And I talk about this a lot. All the all the flashbulbs when
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  book is doing the spin of Rooney kind of miss uh miss a big moment
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  and all the flash. You know, it kind of gives a machine,
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  if you know, almost makes a moment feel special. Yeah right, yeah,
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  I kind of lose that with the cell phone era anyway. But yeah,
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  I gave it three stars. I thought it was a solid opener,
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  NonStop action. Four legends, can't go wrong with that. Well, it's
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  funny that you bring that up because I actually mentioned to my girlfriend, like
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  when we were watching, it's like, you know, what are some things
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  you notice in the crowd alone that you don't get a lot today? And
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  besides the the flash photography, like how he would like light up you know,
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  the entire stadium, like when you know Seaw Michaels would do a supercake
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  or Rob Van Dan would do a five star frog splash, you know what
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  I mean, Like when we know these moves are coming, like the flash
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  is insane back then, yeah, but you got conditioned to it for everything.
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  I mean, the opening the Super Bowl, like you know, like
• 27:22
  yeah, exactly. Another one was the amount of signs oh yeah, the
• 27:26
  signs are outrageous. Yeah, Like now is people trying to promote themselves,
• 27:32
  you know, podcasts, social media whatever or just a lot just get confiscated
• 27:37
  nowadays, like they're just so strict with things being on the Internet and you
• 27:42
  know, besides just cable TV. So I mean there was a sign not
• 27:48
  too long ago that said the tribal quiff and the guy got his signed confiscated,
• 27:52
  you know, you know obviously because it was on hardpan camera. But
• 28:00
  yeah, signs. That was another one. So between these matches there's a
• 28:06
  lot of promos I noticed, which I don't have a problem with. I
• 28:10
  I kind of miss having a good amount of promos during the pay per view
• 28:15
  nowadays, I feel like all we get is just like recaps. You know,
• 28:21
  even when you're watching an episode of Raw, we get recaps on all
• 28:26
  this crap that happen on SmackDown. I like having the story at least you
• 28:30
  see what the take of stuff kind of goes all throughout the whole show.
• 28:34
  Yeah, when I'm want to do that with the bloodline now. But yeah,
• 28:38
  yeah, it's like something that's missing. I think the feud is getting
• 28:42
  a full recap. So like if you know, it basically catches you up
• 28:45
  with everything that you may have missed a if you missed a couple of weeks
• 28:48
  in this feud or even going back and watching this now, I believe that
• 28:55
  the video packages that they put together then was pretty good for me to catch
• 29:00
  up for the whole like feud of what was going on, because I totally
• 29:03
  remember this Dawn Marie Tory Wilson feud. Um we have Funaki interviewing Al with
• 29:11
  Al Wilson, Uh, Tory Wilson's father. So the storyline would go that
• 29:19
  Dawn Marie is trying to get Al Wilson, you know, eventually to get
• 29:25
  married, you know, and just to get to Tory. Uh. And
• 29:30
  you know, they recap a scene that happened a few weeks ago of Al
• 29:34
  Wilson and Don Mury caught in shower and Tory walks in on it. But
• 29:41
  you know the best part is Dawn Mrie was you know, completely topless,
• 29:45
  but Al was like in his clothes, he was fully clothed. Uh.
• 29:52
  And uh, you know, they they recapped to like, you know,
• 29:55
  another few weeks ago where Don Murrie gives you know, Al Wills in her
• 30:00
  hotel key and I think it's funny because the magazine she opens with with her
• 30:04
  inside it, and I was like, I had that magazine like that exact
• 30:10
  one. Uh. But yeah, I enjoyed the Funaki interview, his interview.
• 30:15
  It's always funny, you know. Again, I chuckle out of him.
• 30:19
  He still works with the company. He does the uh commentator commentating for
• 30:25
  the Japanese. I believe because time was that this whole segment was to set
• 30:32
  up a Bill Clinton Joe because they were in Arkansas, and at that point,
• 30:36
  it was like a five year old joke. It's so so Vince,
• 30:41
  we'll make a joke about you know, like, uh, do you guys
• 30:48
  remember this this storyline at all. I vaguely remembered it when I saw her
• 30:55
  dad, I was like, oh, yeah, that was a thing back
• 30:56
  then. But that was that was it? Did he end up dying on
• 31:00
  screen? Yeah? Wasn't that part of the story later? Like this goes
• 31:04
  on for a while, right, does it goes on too long? Like
• 31:08
  fucking three minutes? It's too long? This was awful, But I'm pretty
• 31:15
  sure yeah, exactly exactly. Or he dies in storyline, Yeah he does,
• 31:22
  because I think they get married and then right, yes, was that
• 31:26
  when Bischoff had the the makeup on No A Wedding was that I don't believe.
• 31:37
  Isn't it crazy? We've had so many weddings, you know in WW
• 31:41
  like maybe we could do a whole podcast episode of w W weddings. Um
• 31:49
  yeah, like a bracket what was the either the best or the worst one?
• 31:57
  So after this, after they played this promo, it led up to
• 32:02
  Matts with Tory and Dawn Marie. I forgot to mention it on commentary common
• 32:08
  tating the brand split. They had different ones for each brand. So that's
• 32:14
  how you would know if some people were on SmackDown. Somewhere on roll SmackDown
• 32:16
  had Michael Cole really young Michael Cole with a terrible goatee, and uh Taz,
• 32:23
  who's I think still active in aw doin stuff. Yeah, along with
• 32:31
  his son Hook. Uh Michael Cole still with the company, which is funny
• 32:37
  because now he's closer to retirement, you know, and here he's so fresh
• 32:44
  and then you know, the role has Jr. And the King. I
• 32:46
  mean, it's interesting. Thing I noticed about it was the fact that Jr.
• 32:52
  And King were up at the top of the ramp as opposed to being
• 32:54
  at ringside, whereas Michael Cole and Taz were down at ringside, right they
• 33:00
  they did that for a hot minute, like they kept rawl up there close
• 33:04
  to the stage, and then sometimes they would have wrestlers come out and interact
• 33:08
  with the commentating team a lot more. I don't know if you guys remember
• 33:13
  that during a lot of the rawl shows, you know, you catch the
• 33:16
  wrestler right at the his entrance, you know, if you if they wanted
• 33:20
  to incorporate themselves in the in something. But this match, it was four
• 33:30
  minutes and forty seconds. It was awful. I realized how terrible of wrestler
• 33:37
  torists is. Uh. And she's a Hall of Famer now, which is
• 33:43
  crazy, um, because they were talking about, you know how they had
• 33:49
  a bikini contest the week before and in a lingerie contest, and I was
• 33:55
  like, oh, yeah, that's right, that's yeah, there's no heat
• 33:58
  like contest. Yeah right. Uh. Don Marie, she's like the uh
• 34:04
  the modern day. She reminds me of Chelsea Green a little bit, uh
• 34:10
  all about looks, you know, just not a good wrestler. She did
• 34:15
  not age well by the way out these two women, you know, in
• 34:17
  twenty twenty three, Tory Wilson looks stunning still, don Marie, God,
• 34:23
  No, she does not look like that anymore, Gentleman. She looks like
• 34:30
  a typical forty year old woman. Yes she has, she had a little
• 34:34
  bit completely terrible. She just looks like she's just a typical forty something year
• 34:39
  old woman, like she's just age. Dude, isn't necessarily as well,
• 34:45
  I'm gonna say, as concerned, But she obviously she's out of the business
• 34:49
  now, so she's not under that same pressure of maintaining the same level of
• 34:54
  fitness or that same skinny figure that she had when she was in wrestling.
• 35:00
  Yeah. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen, I've seen worse. So
• 35:04
  she didn't look that bad. Uh. You know this this match was a
• 35:12
  very slow match for four minutes and forty seconds. I was I like wondering
• 35:15
  like what Tory Wilson's like actual finisher was, and it really wasn't anything special.
• 35:22
  I think it was like a swinging neck breaker or something, and that's
• 35:25
  how she ends up painting Dawn Marine. But you know what's it sucks is
• 35:30
  like this feud is like far from over. It's like it's way too long.
• 35:36
  There's no titles, involved. It's just you know, it's just drama
• 35:40
  because you know, soap opera crap filler. Uh for me to to uh
• 35:49
  get a somewhat higher rating because this attractive women, so you know, uh
• 35:53
  try what did you think about this, this match starting off this wonderful feud
• 35:59
  for actually you called terrible. You gave it a higher score than I did.
• 36:02
  And honestly, to me, the match was not as terrible as I
• 36:07
  thought it was going to be for two women who were obviously not wrestlers being
• 36:10
  a match. I mean, it still was not a good match by any
• 36:16
  stretch of the imagination, but not as bad as I thought it was when
• 36:21
  I saw, oh shit, I'm about to watch Adam Marie Tory Rolson match.
• 36:24
  But nevertheless, it did still have some of those obligatory spots that you
• 36:30
  would see in the typical women's match, like the obligatory hair toss which they
• 36:34
  had. They got one of those in I almost thought they were going to
• 36:37
  go through the whole match and have it not happened, but nope, it
• 36:38
  happened. And then they had to tussle on the ground with the referee and
• 36:44
  that was just cringe as fuck. But yeah, nevertheless, it was still
• 36:51
  just not a good match, but not as bad as I thought it was
• 36:53
  going to be when I saw them too about coming out. So yeah,
• 36:58
  I give it. I give it one and a half stars. Though.
• 37:00
  Oh uh well, I feel like every time are what's that? Are you
• 37:07
  just as harsh as we are? Uh? No, I think you guys
• 37:12
  are much nicer. Uh. I feel like when we do these uh you
• 37:16
  know, old ruthless aggression shows, we always end up mentioning how much better
• 37:22
  women's wrestling is now and how much more important a part of the show it
• 37:27
  is now than it was then. And you know, so on this this
• 37:30
  paper view, we have two women's matches. Um, one was okay and
• 37:35
  one is bad and this is a bad one. Um yeah, I mean
• 37:42
  this is just two kind of attractive women pretending to have a wrestling match.
• 37:46
  Uh. There was a kick in a clothesline spot that didn't look half bad.
• 37:51
  Uh, Otherwise the rest of it was pretty shitty. Uh. I
• 37:54
  feel like the trainees on Monster Factory, if you've been watching that, are
• 38:00
  better workers than either of these two. Um. Either crowd seems to care
• 38:05
  about it about as much as I do, which is to say not at
• 38:07
  all. Um, Yeah, this is just that's more of that soap opera
• 38:14
  bullshit. I give it zero stars. Uh Dave Meltzer. I had to
• 38:17
  look ut see what he had to say about this one. He gave it
• 38:21
  negative one and a half stars. Really. Yeah, I'm not gonna go
• 38:27
  negative on him, but I'm not gonna give him any any positive stars either.
• 38:32
  This was pretty awful. Tory Wilson got off a clean sup lex.
• 38:39
  Uh okay, So let's move on to the next match. Well, actually,
• 38:45
  the promo that comes after this, we have an interview with the coach.
• 38:50
  The coach interviewing uh Rob van Damn uh man. Now was that the
• 39:00
  writing was pretty good? Yeah, the delivery was fucking horrible exactly. So
• 39:07
  weird Roband just isn't an actor, man, He just he just can't.
• 39:10
  You know. It's funny because when we were watching it, I go to
• 39:14
  my girlfriend, It's like, hey, he's like he's kind of like the
• 39:16
  Matt Riddle of two thousand and two. You know, Yeah, he's just
• 39:22
  not I don't know. Roban dam wasn't always really good at promos, but
• 39:25
  you're right there, like the writing was all there that you like, the
• 39:29
  chair was springing like his version of the flare gimmick was good like paper,
• 39:35
  but the delivery was just like so fucking wooden and awkward and like the strut,
• 39:42
  which was what the fuck are you doing? All he had to do
• 39:45
  was just say the lines and that dumbass strutton and wooing. Would it would
• 39:50
  have been a good promo? Yeah, I mean he took it. He
• 39:52
  took a seven and turned it into a three or maybe or two or like
• 39:59
  one stripe, maybe do one strip, but not after every single part of
• 40:02
  it. No, Yeah, his performance ruined what would be very good written
• 40:07
  promo. H So, uh you know, after that, that awkward promo,
• 40:16
  we catched him. We catch coach running down the hallway and catching a
• 40:22
  young thinner Paul Hayman, longer hair, uh broccolessner, very young, and
• 40:30
  a woman named Tracy. I had to be like for a hot second,
• 40:35
  I was like, wait, who the hell are you? You know?
• 40:38
  Uh so it was a little weird. I had to catch her. I
• 40:40
  still don't know. Yeah, but I don't think she hangs around very long.
• 40:47
  I mean I don't think she did either. I think she was here
• 40:51
  just for this part of that feud, and that was probably it was I
• 40:53
  have no memory of her. Yeah, I was like, who the hell
• 40:58
  is this? Um, you know, we uh forget so yeah, whatever
• 41:07
  storyline that that is, that's what that pro was detained referring to. UM.
• 41:14
  So I was a little confused what was going on. I had to
• 41:16
  quickly do some googling because I was like, what the what the hell is
• 41:20
  this about this? In this feud, I was kind of like lost a
• 41:22
  little but uh, anyway, after this match, we get Rob Van Damn
• 41:28
  against Ric Flair. Um, it was really nice to see like young ger
• 41:35
  Rick Flair. He's in his fifties though at this point he's fifty three,
• 41:42
  is currently one year older than Rick Flair was then. Yeah. Yeah,
• 41:47
  gone, if you've seen him lately, it's six years older than Ric Flair
• 41:52
  was then. Right. It's crazy to think, like, you know,
• 41:57
  how much longer Rick Flair goes after this? Yeah, he really pushes his
• 42:02
  you know limits, uh with his age in the ring. Um. But
• 42:08
  yeah, you know this is like, uh, I guess this is like
• 42:15
  the very beginning the seeds are being planted for the formula of evolution. Uh,
• 42:21
  this is when you know, Rick Flair and Triple H start to become
• 42:25
  you know, kind of hand in hand with each other, and then you
• 42:29
  know, down the road a few months later they recruit you know, Batista
• 42:32
  and Rady organ and form Evolution. So this is the early beginnings of evolution,
• 42:37
  you know. Uh, Rick Flair helping Triple H and Unforgiven, Uh,
• 42:44
  you know, with beating Rob Van Dam. So that's how we get
• 42:46
  this. This match is feud here seven minutes of fifty nine seconds. Uh.
• 42:52
  What really I think it was funny is like they were duking it out
• 42:58
  outside the ring for for a bit before they even got in the ring and
• 43:00
  got the bellyman ring. Uh. There's a spot where they threw he throws
• 43:05
  Flare, uh, you know, up over the barricade. Flare does a
• 43:09
  spot in the ring where he kind of does like a Sean Michael's thing where
• 43:13
  he flips upside down, he goes up over the ropes. Uh. You
• 43:15
  know, it's just kind of it's funny seeing Rick Flair do these kind of
• 43:20
  moves because you know, when I started watching this again, he wasn't doing
• 43:24
  this kind of stuff, and I was watching him on his way out,
• 43:28
  you know, back when Sean Michael's beat him at WrestleMania. So you know,
• 43:30
  you just sell like an older, stiffer, more fragile Rick Flair.
• 43:36
  Then his chops though in this match were aggressive, very aggressive, very loud.
• 43:43
  So I thought that was pretty pretty cool. I did kind of enjoy
• 43:46
  this match because Rick Flair can always put on like you know, during the
• 43:51
  match, he can entertain you, keep you in, uh you know,
• 43:53
  the way he's always always trying to cheat. You know, he gets a
• 43:58
  low blow on Rob van Dan with the you know when the rest not looking,
• 44:01
  I mean, classic Flair, right, dirty's playing in the game,
• 44:07
  baby, They're just playing the game. But in this one, Rob van
• 44:10
  Dam comes as the winner. So three and a half for me for this
• 44:16
  match. Uh you know, Oh, nothing I want to notice is Rob
• 44:22
  van Dam with his outfits. They're very neat because he always he never wears
• 44:28
  the same one more than you know, a couple of times. And then
• 44:31
  he's always out almost every other week with like a new airbrush single. It
• 44:37
  so dre um. Yeah, I think I gave this match three out of
• 44:45
  five stars. Um. For two wrestlers who have two very different styles,
• 44:50
  they managed to have a good match with each other, and I think that's
• 44:52
  just a testament of just how good of a worker. Rob Van Dam and
• 44:57
  Flair, even at this age, still are like I said, they um
• 45:02
  Rob Bandez high flying style and then Flair using his natural rank psychology to obviously
• 45:08
  take out Rob's legs which naturally sets him up for the figure four and Rob
• 45:14
  getting his uh full repertoive offense in. I said, it all came together
• 45:20
  and made for a good match. So yeah, I gave it three out
• 45:22
  of five. Cool Doyle. What'd you think of this classic MATCHA? Did
• 45:32
  you guys? Maybe this was just me? Uh, maybe I was just
• 45:36
  imagining things. Did the did the version of Flair's um what's that song called
• 45:43
  also sprok Zarathusta or something like that? Was it a weird version of that?
• 45:47
  Or am I crazy? No? It was something different. It was
• 45:51
  not his theme. It was just something different. Okay, yeah, I
• 45:54
  had that. I noticed it immediately when he came out to we. Okay,
• 46:00
  yeah, I mean you think Flare, Flair and RVD uh, you
• 46:04
  know, regardless of age or whatever, should be able to do something really
• 46:07
  special. H But you know, I think we just kind of get an
• 46:09
  average match here. Uh. Flair spent a good portion of the match work
• 46:15
  in the knee and then fucking RVD completely no sells it when he makes his
• 46:20
  comeback. You know. That kind of drove me crazy. You know.
• 46:22
  It's maybe it's a little shit like that that maybe keeps RVD out of the
• 46:29
  next stratosphere of mega stardom. You know, I really love RVD. Uh
• 46:34
  maybe that in that weird promo wed uh, but it's you know, it's
• 46:38
  a little shit like that. Um. You know, he could still make
• 46:43
  the comeback but continue to sell the knee, you know. Um, but
• 46:46
  the crowd is super super duper into RVD, which was kind of really the
• 46:52
  whole point of the match. I think. Uh, I only give this
• 46:54
  two and a half stars. It was very, very average, I thought,
• 46:59
  Um, just it just served to give rbdum a win over a name,
• 47:02
  and that was related all it did and all I was supposed to do.
• 47:07
  Mhm, all right, uh, what do we get a pro after
• 47:12
  this? Let me see here. Oh yeah, we did that Big Show.
• 47:15
  So yeah. At this time, it looks like Big Show is backstage
• 47:20
  talking to Stephanie Man and Eric Bischoff runs up on him. You know,
• 47:24
  and at this point in time, Big Show is quote unquote property of Monday
• 47:30
  Night Raw. He should be frattnizing with the enemy. This is fact when
• 47:32
  brands were more aggressive to each other, you know, roll versus SmackDown,
• 47:39
  and now it's not so much. So I do know that Down the Road
• 47:45
  Big Show does somehow get to SmackDown because he's the one who ends up beating
• 47:51
  brock List and for that undispeeded title. Down the Road a survivor series.
• 47:57
  I think, let's say it's right after this. Yeah yeah. It was
• 48:00
  literally the next pay per view after this, yeah yeah, which is crazy.
• 48:06
  Like I remember, I actually remember that one. That one was a
• 48:07
  pretty good pay per view, so hopefully we'll get to that one too.
• 48:15
  So I did enjoy the fact that when Big Show picked up Eric Bischoff and
• 48:22
  like like like literally picked him up and threw him into those I don't know
• 48:27
  what they were, metal frames that were just hanging out there, but just
• 48:29
  the way he picked him up like he was nothing. Uh. He and
• 48:32
  Bischoff played it off pretty well too. I I did like Bischoff as a
• 48:37
  general manager because he was such a dick and I always thought that was funny.
• 48:44
  And Stephanie still uh still more of like a heel. I still,
• 48:49
  I think at this point in time, she does turn into like a face
• 48:52
  general manager at some point. Uh yeah, a little little promo and yet
• 49:00
  enjoyed it. Uh. After this, we get a Cruiserweight match. Do
• 49:06
  you guys remember the Cruiserweight title. Yeah? I like the cruiserweight matches.
• 49:13
  Uh, not the title instead and keep the Cruiserweight title. Yeah yeah,
• 49:20
  nah because at the time I believe that Rawl had the women's title and then
• 49:29
  didn't SmackDown have the Cruiserweight title as a trade off. Something's that effect.
• 49:36
  Yeah, something like that. But in this match, we get Jamie Noble
• 49:40
  with Nidia uh defeating to Jerry. Uh. You know, if you know
• 49:47
  anything about Jamie Noble, he still works with the company now. He's just
• 49:52
  you know, a backstage guy. So sometimes when they have no crowds or
• 49:59
  two wrestlers they need to break up. I always catch like Jamie Noble in
• 50:02
  there sometimes. Uh he's a little small guy. I mean it makes sense
• 50:06
  because you know he is a cruiser right. Uh to Jerry, Japanese wrestler.
• 50:13
  I always liked to Jerry. Uh. You know, he didn't do
• 50:16
  it in this match, but he used to do the green miss. It
• 50:21
  made me think of Oscar because every Japanese school America has to do the miss
• 50:25
  I know, right, Uh, base was always good. I like that.
• 50:30
  I liked his buzz salt kick that he I guess I was just finisher
• 50:34
  and we're kicking in the back of the head. But his kicks always seemed
• 50:38
  like they were pretty stiff. Um, I don't know. Just a cruiserweight
• 50:44
  match eight minutes and fifteen seconds, so as we got a decent amount of
• 50:47
  time. At the end of the match, video is pretty much kissed and
• 50:52
  everybody kissed. The ref kissed Jerry, then kissed Jamie Noble, So you
• 50:57
  can get kicked in the back of the head. But uh uh like a,
• 51:02
  I don't know, I'll get a two and a half starts for the
• 51:06
  comedy aspect tre um. Yeah, I gave this match three stars as well.
• 51:13
  Um for the match itself, I thought it was a pretty decent match
• 51:17
  between cruise Waste. You know, with with these guys, especially back in
• 51:21
  this time, you got to see offense from knowing that you weren't that you
• 51:24
  weren't gonna get from the uh top or top tier stars on in the WW
• 51:30
  you know, much more, much greater acrobatics and such that. Like I
• 51:36
  said, the big guys just weren't delivering. That being said, WWS Cruise
• 51:40
  aweight Division was still nowhere near on the level of the old w c W
• 51:45
  cruiseweight division. So in that regard, it's still lacking anybody. You're a
• 51:51
  big guy, right, so what you're a You're a w CW guy right
• 51:55
  For the most part. Yeah, Like when I like my inter production and
• 52:00
  getting into wrestling, Yeah, it was through the old NWA and w CWC
• 52:02
  Yeah, I pretty much watched a lot of that through the late eighties nineties,
• 52:08
  probably up till maybe about somewhere between somewhere in the attitude there is probably
• 52:15
  when I switched over to full time WW probably like by the time nWo had
• 52:20
  like thirty members in it and shit. But yeah, so I remember the
• 52:24
  old WCW Cruise Away Division and how off the chain that was, and quite
• 52:30
  frankly, ww's version just never quite measured up. That being said, these
• 52:34
  guys still put on a good match and it was nice to see to Jerry
• 52:38
  Wrestle because he was one of the guys that I did like a lot back
• 52:42
  then, especially the way he would just kick the living shit out of people.
• 52:45
  And then especially back then because like his kicks felt impactful. He kicked
• 52:52
  you, it felt like it hurt. It sounded off, not like not
• 52:54
  like today where everybody just gets the shit kicked out of him fifteen times in
• 52:58
  a match. And nowaday's basically mean nothing because everybody does it. You know.
• 53:04
  Back then when to Jerry did it it, like I said, it
• 53:06
  was unique to him, so it meant a whole lot more. So.
• 53:09
  Yeah, oh and all this was a good match. I gotta give it
• 53:13
  a three out of star, three out of five stars. Cool. Yeah,
• 53:17
  I mean you used to get a super kick, you're you're off television
• 53:21
  for a month, you know. Now now they take cana of them before
• 53:24
  the bell ring anyway, Um, yeah, I mean not unlike a match
• 53:30
  prior to this one. You know, you see the names Jamie Noble and
• 53:32
  too Jerry, and I kind of expected, oh, it's gonna be a
• 53:36
  banger, you know. Um, and when you don't get one, you
• 53:39
  know, maybe it's a little more disappointing than a match of equal quality,
• 53:44
  but that you weren't expecting anything from in the first place. Uh, you
• 53:49
  know, but what a bipolar crowd. The stuff they love they love,
• 53:52
  and the stuff they don't you know you can hear a pin drop and this
• 53:57
  was kind of the ladder. Um. Did Jerry did get off some of
• 54:00
  his you know, unique offense. Uh. He did a nice springboard moon
• 54:05
  salt to the outside, which is cool. Uh. He had a nice
• 54:08
  kind of like I don't know even how to describe it. He like rolls
• 54:14
  Noble does, like a sunset flip and kind of did. Jerry rolled through
• 54:16
  to the outside and then he set up a kick. He kicked him when
• 54:20
  his head was sticking out. Um. And I think he was the first
• 54:23
  guy I remember. I'm sure he's not the first guy to do it,
• 54:25
  but he's the first guy I remember seeing doing the handstand into the ropes um.
• 54:34
  Yeah, yeah, um And I love the tarantula. That move always
• 54:37
  I thought was great. But you know, when the post match and annigans
• 54:43
  are getting more heat than the actual match, that's rarely a good sign.
• 54:47
  Uh. So yeah, I only I give this two and two and three
• 54:51
  quarters. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think crowds back then had
• 54:54
  the same level of appreciation for the smaller performers like they do now. Yeah.
• 55:00
  I mean these are you know, did Jerry, especially just ahead of
• 55:06
  his time, I think, you know, yeah, if he was around
• 55:08
  now h I think he'd be doing great stuff. Yeah, I think a
• 55:13
  match like this nowadays would have gotten a great reaction from audist aside from the
• 55:16
  post match and then against but just the match itself. I think we're getting
• 55:20
  a good reaction from today's audience. But back then they were just still all
• 55:23
  about the big names. Then smaller wrestlers weren't quite as appreciated because remember this
• 55:29
  is this is before prior to uh Eddie and Ben wah Win in the titles.
• 55:34
  So yeah, I mean remember going back to wc W, remember that
• 55:38
  first hour of Night Travel back in the day, it was is fucking ridiculous.
• 55:44
  Well shit, and just like if you look back at it, like
• 55:47
  that was matches were fucking killer that yeah, yeah, that was always as
• 55:53
  Achilles heel right, wasn't there? The mid card was fucking amazing, and
• 55:58
  then the main event was garbage because you had two hundred year old dudes wrestling
• 56:04
  stupid gimmick match, you know. Yeah, the best wrestling was always on
• 56:07
  between like the cruiserweights in the mid cars. Like some of the best matches
• 56:10
  would be like that first hour nightro before Ross started at nine, the eight
• 56:15
  o'clock hour just fu yeah, you know, Early Ray and fucking Eddie and
• 56:21
  Psychosis and Hoovie. You know, it's just like Malenka, you get those
• 56:25
  banger cruiserweight matches or some banger match for like the world television title. Yeah,
• 56:31
  stuff like that would just be like those would be your workers and the
• 56:35
  guys who could actually go in the ring. And then the rest of the
• 56:38
  show will be bogged down with nWo and a Goldberg squash. All right,
• 56:46
  So after this we get another promo. This one involves the Crispin Waugh and
• 56:55
  Eddie Guerrero U Curt Angle and child about Guerrero. Ben Watch tries to tell
• 57:04
  him that Chavo is getting jumped by Kurt Angle. Uh. He leads him
• 57:07
  down the hallway to uh it seems to be like a bathroom or darker and
• 57:10
  whatever. And you hear Chavo screaming on the other side the whole time,
• 57:14
  and Eddie thinks that, you know, he's Ben while I was trying to
• 57:16
  check him, and it's a it's a little girl in there. And then
• 57:22
  Chido comes out, you know, he got jumped. I guess he comes
• 57:25
  out the door eventually, and he got jumped by Kurt Angle, so uh
• 57:31
  Eddie SCRAMs after this. Uh Eddie has a nice shiner during this. I
• 57:37
  don't know if you guys saw that. Yeah, he's also not on the
• 57:40
  card, but he's in his gear. Yeah, Like, did you like
• 57:45
  the people that work at I don't know, Taco Bell, if they're gonna
• 57:47
  go to Taco Bell on their day off to they put their uniform on to
• 57:52
  go get Like I always I always was fascinated when when they have a backstage
• 57:58
  segment of a guy who isn't wrestling on the show, but it's still in
• 58:00
  his gear anyway, right, Yeah, not just in his gear, but
• 58:05
  in his gear and greased up and everything. Yeah, or when they're in
• 58:07
  their gear at something else, like they're in a base they're gonna like,
• 58:10
  you know, throw out the first pitchers of them and they're in their fucking
• 58:13
  wrestling gear. It always tickled me. I don't know why. It's like,
• 58:20
  what the hell is he doing there? Why is he shirtless? Well,
• 58:22
  like, why why is he just hanging out in his boots? And
• 58:25
  child Chalda was in full time too. Yeah yeah the card either, but
• 58:30
  he was in his gear. Um. So Eddie tries to attack her an
• 58:34
  angle and then he gets broken up. Did you guys notice one of the
• 58:37
  guards to break it up Fit Finlay? Huh yeah, Finley was one of
• 58:47
  the guys to break up the what's that I said, the Belfast Brawler.
• 58:53
  Yeah, right, So I thought that was pretty cool to see that,
• 58:58
  and I'm not always looking for that now, Like you know, right there
• 59:04
  and they're a um like a triple h WrestleMania entrance where like Alexa Bliss and
• 59:08
  Charlotte Flair and somebody else are like the yeah, Sasha, they're they're like
• 59:15
  the girls and the entrance or whatever. Yep. And there's a couple where
• 59:20
  you have uh you know, Keith Lee, Shamous Way Bard, even Cesarro
• 59:27
  um all security guards. I think the I think the Hardies are guys that
• 59:31
  opened the door for King of the Ring one year. Yeah, like they
• 59:36
  had like, um doors that swung open everywhere. This is weird, you
• 59:43
  know when you really look at these like who who's in the background, you
• 59:46
  know, I was, I wasn't Punker one of the fake John Cena's yep
• 59:52
  or something like that. Yeah, see everywhere. Uh So we get a
• 59:59
  promo them for the World Heavyweight title and interconminal title storyline. This one involves
• 1:00:07
  Kane and Triple che. Triple H is the heel, Kane is the facing
• 1:00:12
  this one, so this is starting the Katie Vick storyline. I tried to
• 1:00:20
  like, I don't know, I guess forget this storyline because it was so
• 1:00:22
  awful. So Kane apparently has a dui and crashes his car and kills Katie
• 1:00:30
  Vick. Right, is that I don't understand the whole storyline. I don't
• 1:00:34
  remember the whole storyline, but is that I think that's the gist of it
• 1:00:37
  from what I from when I get from this, and it happened like ten
• 1:00:39
  years ago. I think I think Triple H implied that he was drunk,
• 1:00:45
  but he wasn't actulutely drunk. It was just an accident, I think,
• 1:00:49
  is what we're supposed to believe. Oh man, uh and then uh,
• 1:00:55
  you know. Eric Bischoff says that there's too many titles is un raw.
• 1:01:00
  They need to make one single title, so they're going to unify the world
• 1:01:05
  title and the intercronical title, so it's winner tastes all m It was funny
• 1:01:10
  because I think I don't know when, but it's not too much longer after
• 1:01:15
  this, when Triple H and Kane have another match and it's for the mask
• 1:01:21
  and he tastes his mask off, so it's not too much farther, right,
• 1:01:24
  probably not. This is one of the have we one of the worst
• 1:01:30
  storylines that w w's ever done, And I remember it does have so many
• 1:01:34
  cringe moments, and I think it did ultimately end with Kane unmasking, right,
• 1:01:39
  Yeah, I think I think Lawlor at some point says something about,
• 1:01:45
  oh, he's just figured under there. They were still going with that,
• 1:01:49
  and Kane also looks like he's given himself some type of fo man shoe kind
• 1:01:54
  of situation going on, and it made him look really weird, because usually
• 1:01:59
  like he's got a stubble or a full beard or something like that, but
• 1:02:02
  just like mustache kind of thing he had gone. It made him look really
• 1:02:07
  weird. Yeah. I actually kind of enjoyed this match. It took a
• 1:02:15
  while, though, I mean, you got two guys who were pretty grounded
• 1:02:20
  wrestlers. You know, you'll see maybe can go off the top rope for
• 1:02:24
  like a flying clothesline or something, but you know, you don't really see
• 1:02:29
  Triple H on the top rope very often. This had all sorts of shenanigans
• 1:02:34
  in it. Rick Flair coming in interfering, then the hurricane came in.
• 1:02:37
  You know, the referee was taken out, and then we got a second
• 1:02:42
  referee, and then the sledgehammer was involved. So a lot of things were
• 1:02:45
  involved in this match. So you know, Trips could get that world title
• 1:02:51
  in the intercontinal title unification. They got sixteen minutes thirteen seconds so far on
• 1:02:59
  the car the longest match. Um. I did enjoy Kane's entrance because when
• 1:03:06
  the flames came up, they it looks like they catch something on the stage
• 1:03:09
  on fire, which is kind of cool. Uh, this is kind of
• 1:03:16
  giant tragedy. Yeah. Uh, we kind of don't see this in a
• 1:03:23
  contal title for a while. After this it you know, it takes a
• 1:03:28
  while, and then to bring it back six months, yeah, because having
• 1:03:36
  like another tournament for it, and after brings it back, yeah, after
• 1:03:40
  you realized how dumb of a decision it was to get rid of it in
• 1:03:43
  the first place. Right, Yeah, they keep the cruise Away title,
• 1:03:45
  but exactly, Yeah, it's just one of their dumb decisions to get rid
• 1:03:50
  of that because eventually when they do bring it back, they bring back the
• 1:03:53
  US title on SmackDown exactly right, and um, you know that's it.
• 1:04:00
  I enjoyed when they brought those two titles back. Um, you know,
• 1:04:04
  I you know, I kind of like I said, I enjoyed this match.
• 1:04:06
  I'm gonna give it a three and a half. I liked all the
• 1:04:11
  shenatigans towards the end, typical triple age match, you know, like just
• 1:04:15
  this is when when his heel, he just never wants to win clean.
• 1:04:19
  It's always fucking dirty, dirty as shit. Uh and Rick Flair is great
• 1:04:26
  for that. So, Dre, what do you think of this? This
• 1:04:30
  match, this, the promos that we got before it, and uh,
• 1:04:35
  you know, this whole storyline in general, and the promo before it.
• 1:04:41
  I'm well, the backstage promo between Ben Wall and Angel and them. It
• 1:04:45
  was just nice to see Eddie Guerrel again. So that was the most I
• 1:04:48
  got out of that segment. It was just nice seeing Eddie Guerrel. Um.
• 1:04:54
  As far as this feud, I already said it. This is one
• 1:04:56
  of the worst FEUs w w's ever done, period, from the whole drunk
• 1:05:01
  driving whatever Katie vic Angele and let's not forget that. Eventually down the line.
• 1:05:06
  This led to that god awful Triple H and the Cane mask and the
• 1:05:14
  casket segment that's the next night. Yeah, so again one of the worst
• 1:05:19
  feuds, one of the worst storylines ww's ever done. And I'm pretty sure
• 1:05:25
  WW would like it if we all forget that this ever happened, especially Triple
• 1:05:29
  H. I'm pretty sure we'd like for us all to forget that this ever
• 1:05:31
  happened. But as far as the match itself, I get the match two
• 1:05:35
  and three quarter stars. Honestly, it was just pretty much standard fair run
• 1:05:41
  of the mill match. It's not that Triple H and Cane or bad workers,
• 1:05:45
  It's just that they pretty much did exactly what I expected him to do.
• 1:05:50
  A Triple H. No, he does a good job of selling his
• 1:05:54
  ass off for his opponent to make them look good. He pretty much expected
• 1:05:58
  Flair to interfere. Sure enough, here he came running in, snatching the
• 1:06:00
  referees out, punching their lights out, and this, that, and the
• 1:06:02
  third. Was kind of surprised to see, uh, Hurricane Helms come out,
• 1:06:08
  but then I remember it. Oh yeah, they were a tag team
• 1:06:10
  for a while, him and Kane, so then they came out and then
• 1:06:13
  of course, Triple H looks like he's about to lose, looks like the
• 1:06:15
  good guys right on the customer victory, and nope, Triple H steals the
• 1:06:19
  steals victory from the jaws of defeat, but through cheating. I mean,
• 1:06:25
  pretty standard, fair and pretty much how damn near every single triple match Triple
• 1:06:30
  H match went during this time when the title was involved, So just wasn't
• 1:06:35
  anything special to me, honestly. And also Kane did his Piro before the
• 1:06:39
  match, which is an obvious precursor that he's gonna lose. So so yeah,
• 1:06:45
  I just give it two and three quarter stars. Okay, Doyle?
• 1:06:50
  Is that like how the bad Guy never used as an iPhone? And then
• 1:06:56
  if Kane's Piro goes off, you know he's gonna lose. If somebody's using
• 1:07:00
  Android, you know they're really the bad guy. Um uh funny the Katie
• 1:07:04
  vic um the necrophilia angle, right, Um yeah. When they were doing
• 1:07:11
  the video for this, I didn't realize that that hadn't happened yet. So
• 1:07:16
  the lady of the house happened into the room and she was like, what
• 1:07:18
  the hell is stupid shit are you watching? Now? Like, oh,
• 1:07:21
  you gotta see this. This is the dumbest fucking shit they ever did.
• 1:07:25
  They actually do a necrophilia angle and she goes, oh, really sounds.
• 1:07:29
  So she sits there watching. She goes, they're not talking about this,
• 1:07:30
  so even like cret she thinks, I'm just like making up this thing.
• 1:07:34
  I didn't even realize that it hadn't happened yet, so she thinks I'm fucking
• 1:07:38
  insane, which is no big surprise. Um, I'm another another theme question
• 1:07:44
  for you. Now the Triple H is retired from the Ring, is the
• 1:07:47
  game retired? Also? Is it seems like he only comes out to King
• 1:07:51
  of Kings now It seems to be the case, which is kind of sad
• 1:07:56
  to me because I've always loved the game. This is an interesting I always
• 1:07:59
  prefer that War the King of Kings, But once he got to the point
• 1:08:02
  where he had both of them at the same time, for the most part,
• 1:08:05
  it seemed like he would use King of Kings whenever he came out to
• 1:08:08
  cut a promo or something like that, and would save the game just for
• 1:08:12
  matches. So now that he's retired, it seems like he's still doing that
• 1:08:17
  now, where the game is his theme just for matches? And since he's
• 1:08:21
  not wrestling anymore, he's not going to use it anymore. Like, I
• 1:08:25
  don't even think he has the King of Kings yet at this point. At
• 1:08:28
  this point, no, he didn't. He didn't have King of Kings.
• 1:08:30
  It just it just got me thinking. I was like, yeah, I
• 1:08:31
  don't think he's I've heard him come out to that, to this song for
• 1:08:35
  a while. No, not since WrestleMania when he u when he put his
• 1:08:41
  boots in the ring. I don't think he's used it since then. Maybe
• 1:08:43
  maybe once or twice since then, but as of late now, it's been
• 1:08:46
  exclusively King of Kings anyway. Um, yeah, I mean these guys wrestled
• 1:08:53
  a ton, right, Triple Agent King. Uh, they never really had
• 1:08:59
  a bang, but they never had a terrible match either, right, And
• 1:09:03
  that's kind of what we get here. Um, it was a little overbooked
• 1:09:06
  from my uh so much interference, Um, but that you know, Yeah,
• 1:09:15
  as we've said, that's kind of typical of a triple HS match,
• 1:09:18
  especially in this time period. Um j R. H mentioned something about Kane
• 1:09:26
  will be the first mask wrestler to hold the heavyweight the World Heavyweight Championship,
• 1:09:30
  Like, no shit, this title just got invented like two months ago,
• 1:09:34
  going to be like what the like? I guess maybe that's um one of
• 1:09:41
  those situations where like a statistic can uh make you know, you can twist
• 1:09:46
  statistic to me and anything you want it to mean. Although, as I
• 1:09:51
  complain about JR, I loved him getting annoyed as fuck at King for constantly
• 1:09:57
  talking about Katie Vick. I thought that was hilarious. I was so pissed
• 1:10:01
  off. Well yeah, sure, I mean he wasn't wrong, but it
• 1:10:05
  was so funny how pissed off he was getting. Um Hebner really got his
• 1:10:11
  ass kicked. This this this, uh this match. How there are a
• 1:10:14
  couple of rough bumps, right, Um I liked uh. I liked Kane
• 1:10:19
  kind of gently putting the sledgehammer down after getting a low blow. There's a
• 1:10:25
  really low blow heavy pay per view. Um Flair actually made it off the
• 1:10:30
  top rope for once. Uh. It still didn't go particularly well for him,
• 1:10:34
  but usually when he gets up there he has a hard landing. Um.
• 1:10:42
  Yeah, they called this Winter Take All and they make this big ass
• 1:10:44
  deal about the r the ic title they have that that uh pretty nice video
• 1:10:48
  package about the history of the belt. Um but then when triple A twins,
• 1:10:55
  he grabs the world title, doesn't do anything with the IC title,
• 1:11:00
  you know, like he doesn't hold up both belts. Uh, you know
• 1:11:02
  there's no ultimate Warrior, Uh, Becky Lynch Roman reigns Daniel Bryant holding up
• 1:11:09
  belts. You know, he just he might as well throw it in the
• 1:11:13
  trash because you know, we don't even see it or hear about it again
• 1:11:16
  until Stone Cole brings it back in whatever we said it was six seven months.
• 1:11:24
  It's just it didn't make any sense to take winner take all. No,
• 1:11:28
  no, no, And then the winner didn't take all. The winner
• 1:11:30
  just took what he had in the first place. All right, But yeah,
• 1:11:34
  I give it a three star match. It was. It was good,
• 1:11:38
  but it wasn't great, and it certainly wasn't offensive, uh like the
• 1:11:42
  don Marie Tory Wilson match was. Uh so yeah, I mean average,
• 1:11:47
  maybe slightly above average. And after this we get a very boring and unnecessary
• 1:11:56
  promo between Stephanie McMahon and this Tracy lady. None of us. No,
• 1:12:04
  um, I don't know it was. You know what, if I can
• 1:12:10
  recommend anything to anybody, just go to the bathroom. You need to get
• 1:12:13
  up, grab something to eat between matches. This is probably the good time
• 1:12:16
  to do it, you know. Uh, kind of pointless. I don't
• 1:12:21
  know if anybody has anything they want to insert in that. I really do
• 1:12:28
  later okay, okay, oh later, got you? Okay. So after
• 1:12:32
  this we lead up to the SmackDown Tag Team title match. This is for
• 1:12:42
  them for the first time. Uh what I had there was a tournament for
• 1:12:48
  him, a tournament for him, and I had. I had the list
• 1:12:51
  here. It's a very awkward list. Oh is it ever? Yeah?
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, the I can tell you the other I didn't. I wrote down
• 1:13:00
  the other teams, but I didn't write the brackets right. One that stuck
• 1:13:06
  out, I guess is to Jerry and Brocco lesner As. I was like,
• 1:13:13
  the fuck. I like, hey, Ida and Billy Kidman is another
• 1:13:20
  team? Oh yeah, that was another one. Yeah. I didn't really
• 1:13:25
  look at the names. I just want to happen to notice. Was that
• 1:13:28
  Billy and Chuck. We're still a tag team at this point, right,
• 1:13:30
  Uh? Scureros Mark Losquireros beat Mark, Henry and Rakishi and then Lo Squireros
• 1:13:38
  lost to Ben Juan Kurt Angle um Angle. Yeah, Ben Juan Kurt Angle
• 1:13:44
  beat Billy Hidman and John Cena referend Divon and Ron Simmons. Yeah, I
• 1:13:48
  got beat by Chuck Billion Chuck. They're like pretty deadly the modern day,
• 1:13:55
  pretty deadly, right, uh yes, oh yeah, sort of Edge and
• 1:14:01
  Ray Mystereo two guys who are still on the roster today, which I find
• 1:14:06
  pretty cool and bagging fairly recently, like a year ago. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:14:13
  and they they defeated Brock listener to Jerry. My guess is Brock just
• 1:14:18
  bailed on that match altogether and to Jerry just took the Yeah. Uh and
• 1:14:26
  this is this was pre Rapper scene too. He's still in like the prototype
• 1:14:30
  gear. This is very early ruthless. This is like scene is going to
• 1:14:34
  get released soon because he's not doing anything, I mean, teaming up with
• 1:14:40
  Billy Kibbon. Yeah, um, Devon Ron Simmons. That was a weird
• 1:14:45
  tag team to put together. Yeah, put the two black guys together.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah, sounded like yeah, and then they have them lose to Edge of
• 1:14:56
  Raymistereo. So you know, I don't know because well, and see the
• 1:15:00
  thing about this is I'm pretty sure this is pre jbl as well, so
• 1:15:05
  almost yeah, so almost makes me wonder like, was JBL injured at this
• 1:15:11
  time and that is that why Devon was paired with them? Or Yeah,
• 1:15:15
  what was the circumstances behind this, because I'm pretty sure the APA had not
• 1:15:18
  broken up yet. Yeah, I think I'm almost certain that they had because
• 1:15:24
  I'm pretty sure that this is the same year as Ustle Madia eighteen. I'm
• 1:15:27
  pretty sure they competed for the tag titles at Rustle Media at eighteen, so
• 1:15:30
  they shouldn't have broken up yet. I wonder if JBL might have just been
• 1:15:33
  injured at the time. Yeah, uh, yeah, the storyline occurred in
• 1:15:43
  ben wise, there were just two guys who just couldn't work together. I
• 1:15:46
  guess they were both heels at the time. They just couldn't get along.
• 1:15:50
  They were always turning on each other. So you get the two heels working
• 1:15:56
  together for this match, and it sounds right when that's done, right.
• 1:16:00
  I love the tag team that can't get along it right. You can suck
• 1:16:05
  it up pretty easily. But when it's done well, uh, I really
• 1:16:11
  I love it. I think I think it always works great, like when
• 1:16:14
  you have the right people. But what a weird stipulation, right if they
• 1:16:17
  if they get physical with the other. They're both suspended for one year without
• 1:16:21
  pay. Like that's just so weird, Like that's like never a threat.
• 1:16:28
  Yeah, I Like it's just it's just sounded weird. One year it's out
• 1:16:34
  pay, like Joe stipulation. Uh, they sometimes do so they sometimes suspend
• 1:16:42
  indefinitely or whatever. But like it's just the whole thing just it's just awkward.
• 1:16:46
  I thought, um, young, very young edge here. This is
• 1:16:53
  before he started racking up world titles, like you know, I free one.
• 1:17:00
  He gets this first money in the bank. Maybe it's like two thousand
• 1:17:01
  and six, maybe I think it is, or two thousand and five.
• 1:17:05
  He gets in and cashed in January two thousand and six. Maybe. Well.
• 1:17:09
  They list off his accolades at one point, like he's an eight time
• 1:17:13
  tag champion. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely a teams. I don't think.
• 1:17:17
  I don't think he had he hadn't won the Intercontinental title. I don't
• 1:17:20
  think yet. I don't think he had any any singles at all. Nah.
• 1:17:25
  And I think now that I think about it, this, yeah,
• 1:17:29
  with this being freshway after the brand split, I just realized that they kind
• 1:17:32
  of split up all the noteworthy tag teams that existed beforehand, because yeah,
• 1:17:36
  edges On Edges on SmackDown while the Christian's overaw Devon is on SmackDown. I'm
• 1:17:42
  thinking Bubba Ray was on Raw, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, and JB
• 1:17:47
  might have been on Raw. Maybe that's why he wasn't part of this now
• 1:17:49
  I think about it. Yeah, that was another thing that was just kind
• 1:17:54
  of weird about this brand split that they did. Yeah, they split up
• 1:17:57
  an Undertaker and Kane you know, uh king all Takers on SmackDown. Um,
• 1:18:03
  you know, all in all, like this, there's a four former
• 1:18:09
  world champions or future world champions at least, you know, Hard Angle has
• 1:18:13
  a few champions. World Championship runs under a spell already. Ben Wah future
• 1:18:18
  champion in two thousand and four four yeah, yeah, and the same Ray
• 1:18:26
  Mysterio I think he's like two thousand and five or two thousand and six.
• 1:18:30
  This is this is four of the SmackDown six. Yeah, yeah, as
• 1:18:35
  being the other two. Yeah, this that group of six, it's like
• 1:18:40
  kind of barely legendary, you know, kind of made SmackDown into a thing,
• 1:18:45
  you know, yeah, a thing because it's very much a B show.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah, because we were this was very early on and they put like
• 1:18:54
  the stars on Raw, and Raw was supposed to be out. It's supposed
• 1:18:57
  to be all about the big names and the top star. Smackdow was just
• 1:19:00
  kicking their ass every week with all the Yeah, Smackdow was just kicking their
• 1:19:03
  ass every week, just putting on better matches and ship and if for a
• 1:19:08
  while, Smackdow became the better show of the two because it turns out all
• 1:19:12
  the good workers and all the great matches were happening on Smackdow. Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  Uh, this match is twenty two minutes, three seconds. We'll deserved too.
• 1:19:20
  Um. There's a lot of good spots in this I don't know if
• 1:19:25
  you guys noticed. There was a spot where Edge was on his back right.
• 1:19:29
  This is before Ben Watt goes to the top row. Ben Wah shoots
• 1:19:33
  a fucking snot rocket on Edge, Like I was, like, dude,
• 1:19:39
  he he was, he was. He was kind of famous for the snot
• 1:19:42
  rocks. He was always, Oh my god, like, du come on,
• 1:19:45
  even as a hill that's fucked up. Uh, you know, the
• 1:19:50
  belly to belly and the supplexes in this match, we're pretty cool, Ben
• 1:19:55
  Wah with the hard chops. You know. Another another guy besides Flair that
• 1:20:00
  has a couple of hard chops. This evening there was a spot with Rave,
• 1:20:05
  Mysterio and Ben Wall off the top and hits Angle with a six one
• 1:20:12
  nine and then into a cross face and then ankle. It was an ankle
• 1:20:17
  locked to a roll up. It was a pretty entertaining match. I really
• 1:20:21
  enjoyed this match. I mean, everybody got their spots at the end.
• 1:20:27
  You know, Angle made Edge tap, There's a lot of good false finishes.
• 1:20:31
  I really thought Edge and Mysterio had this. I couldn't remember who the
• 1:20:36
  outcome of this match was, so I kind of didn't want to spoil it.
• 1:20:41
  And it was who I thought it was Angle and Ben wah because I
• 1:20:45
  was like, oh yeah, they kind of made history there being the first
• 1:20:46
  tag team champions for SmackDown. You know, Rave Mysterio another guy with outfits
• 1:20:53
  that are great day changes. It's almost you know, every week every pay
• 1:20:58
  per re view. Uh. Also Edge with the Rob Rob Zombie entrance team.
• 1:21:04
  You know it's rated art music best best best music he ever had.
• 1:21:10
  Yeah, yeah, I agree. I loved this interesting when he had it.
• 1:21:14
  Yeah, so yeah, he had all the smoke and everything. I
• 1:21:17
  yeah, I loved it. Um, you know this this would be a
• 1:21:21
  four star match for me, you know with besides the gimmick match that we
• 1:21:26
  get later bella bell this is probably my favorite match. I was entertained the
• 1:21:30
  whole time. Uh Dre, what did you think of this match? Uh?
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, I also gave it four out of five. This was probably
• 1:21:40
  this is arguably the best match of the night on the car from a pure
• 1:21:44
  wrestling standpoint. You've got four of the best wrestlers in the ww at the
• 1:21:47
  time going at it. And like you, I also did not know the
• 1:21:51
  outcome of this match, so I'm watching it and genuinely getting into the match
• 1:21:57
  because I didn't know who was going to win. So the fact that this
• 1:22:01
  match, you know, twenty one years later is a match that you can
• 1:22:04
  get into because you don't know the outcome and it's not sold in a way
• 1:22:09
  that's so that's see, that's seemingly predetermined from the outcome, where you know,
• 1:22:13
  like, oh, obviously this person wanted, obviously this team wanted,
• 1:22:15
  or what have you. It just made for it being a really good and
• 1:22:18
  enjoyable match and like I said, arguably the best match of the night from
• 1:22:23
  a pure wrestling standpoint. Again, all these guys are going at it full
• 1:22:28
  throttle. They're in their prime, so you know they're going full speed all
• 1:22:32
  the plenty of um Like I said, plenty of a good team work between
• 1:22:39
  the two teams, especially between Edge and Ray. The one spot where Edge
• 1:22:43
  head Ray up on his shoulders almost like in a power bomb position, then
• 1:22:45
  threw them to the outside and like a mootzal onto. I don't remember if
• 1:22:49
  it was Angle or Ben why they did it, but like I said,
• 1:22:53
  just from starting to finish, this was just a great match. So four
• 1:22:56
  out of five cool, Cool and Doyle. Where is this put you?
• 1:23:04
  Uh? Yeah, I love this? Uh to a couple of couple of
• 1:23:10
  spots that stood out for me. Um Well, the whole beginning sequence with
• 1:23:14
  Angle and Ray was just great. Um Man, fucking Ray had two knees
• 1:23:19
  to imagine that, Uh, you know, so good. He's so fucking
• 1:23:25
  good. Uh you know Ray, You know, even with their you know,
• 1:23:30
  unique distinction of being an act of wrestler and inducted in the Hall of
• 1:23:34
  Fame, he's still underrated, Like he's probably he might be the most important
• 1:23:41
  wrestler the last twenty five thirty years. Um, he's just m saying like
• 1:23:46
  he's in his prime here all all four of these guys. Yeah, just
• 1:23:53
  um uh couple, let's see a couple of spots that stet out another I'm
• 1:23:57
  sorry another one oh edge ducks clothesline from ben Wah kind of spears angle through
• 1:24:01
  the ropes. Uh. Um, Ray does a like a springboard leg drop
• 1:24:09
  to Ben Wah while ben Wah was like, uh, caught in the ropes.
• 1:24:13
  That was kind of cool. Uh. But just great pacing, you
• 1:24:16
  know, classic tag team. Uh you know textbook. You know, the
• 1:24:21
  heels cut the ring in half. Um, you know, use great double
• 1:24:26
  team stuff. Um, you know, use referee distractions. Uh. Every
• 1:24:31
  time the baby Faces got a little momentum, they just snatched it right back.
• 1:24:36
  Um. And because this match, what do we say, got twenty
• 1:24:40
  plus minutes, Uh, because it got so much time, both both faces
• 1:24:45
  got to be the baby face in peril for significant parts of time. Uh
• 1:24:51
  you know uh uh And and and you know they started off kind of slow.
• 1:24:56
  They ratcheted it up, they brought it back down, They ratcheted it
• 1:24:58
  it back up, they brought to back down. You know, it was
• 1:25:00
  kind of like a pixie song, you know. And because they got the
• 1:25:03
  time. You know, I feel like a twelve or fifteen minute version of
• 1:25:08
  this match wouldn't have nearly been as good because they just it just would have
• 1:25:15
  lacked um. You know, there were so many spots where you felt like
• 1:25:19
  any of the four guys could win it at any minute. Because that last
• 1:25:24
  like five or six minutes, it was just fucking phenomenal. You know,
• 1:25:28
  it felt like anybody could win it at any time. I also had no
• 1:25:30
  idea what the outcome was going to be. And as I said before,
• 1:25:39
  I love a tag team that fights with itself. I think that's a great
• 1:25:44
  gimmick. Edge and Ray kind of looked more like a functioning unit, uh
• 1:25:51
  than Angel and Ben Watt did. But I don't think I've ever done this.
• 1:25:56
  I'm giving this five stars. I loved it. I thought this was
• 1:26:00
  great. WHOA five stars? That's awesome? Oh glad he had a good
• 1:26:08
  time with this match. Great. I think I would be a match that
• 1:26:14
  you'd probably here hear about a lot more often if it weren't the Ben Wave
• 1:26:17
  at all. Yeah, the nostalgia for me for this whole match was great.
• 1:26:21
  Just of these guys, like you said, all in their prime.
• 1:26:25
  So I fucking enjoyed the ship. You know, this is one more thing
• 1:26:29
  that Ben Wall murdered is our ability to love this match, Yeah, and
• 1:26:34
  all of his matches because he was fucking awesome. I loved him, and
• 1:26:40
  it fucking sucks. After this, we get a Taker promo when Takers backstage
• 1:26:46
  and he has a cast on his wrist because Brock Lesner broke his hand,
• 1:26:56
  which is kind of weird because now Cody Rhodes has a cast because brock Listener
• 1:27:00
  broke his head with a metal canistan. Yeah. The advancement of technology,
• 1:27:09
  Yeah, but Taker just had a regular cast. He didn't have that titanium
• 1:27:13
  steel. Yeah. You know, it's twenty years of medical advancements right there,
• 1:27:18
  from plaster and fabric to titanium. Yeah. He's just like basically,
• 1:27:23
  Uh, he reminded me of the like Barney when Barney like duf Man came
• 1:27:30
  to see Barney, he says, just hook it to my veins. He's
• 1:27:32
  just like giving me the shot right in the vein. Like it looks like
• 1:27:34
  he's putting the needle like right in the webbing of his finger or something.
• 1:27:40
  Uh, get him al juiced up for the for the gimmick match, we
• 1:27:44
  got later on tonight. Uh, but that was a bold um choice from
• 1:27:51
  a guy that almost went to prison for the rest of his life for giving
• 1:27:56
  people injections. Oh my god. Uh sorry, there was an ambulance pass
• 1:28:03
  my house. I didn't know if they were gonna set off the sirens or
• 1:28:06
  not. After this, we get a nice break, a nice breather five
• 1:28:13
  minutes and thirty one seconds, So if anybody had to go to the bathroom,
• 1:28:15
  and you know, this is probably the time to do it again.
• 1:28:18
  Uh, you know, that's how Vince always treated it. So the women
• 1:28:25
  got a title match on the card finally, which was partly we got two
• 1:28:30
  women's matches on the card. Uh, oh my god, Tory, Yeah,
• 1:28:36
  Tore and Dahmer at four minutes forty seconds. This was five minutes thirty
• 1:28:40
  seconds. Trish Stratus as the champion going against the Victoria. Um, I
• 1:28:45
  didn't I didn't know. I think Victoria was the heel and Trish was the
• 1:28:48
  face. Kind of I kind of couldn't tell. Yeah, I don't think
• 1:28:54
  Victoria was ever a baby face. Yeah, um, I don't know.
• 1:28:59
  I feel like later on in their career, especially Victoria, they had better,
• 1:29:03
  a better feud, better matches against each other. This one was kind
• 1:29:08
  of like lick luster. I don't think I had anything now because this ends
• 1:29:13
  in a roll up, like I really got nothing, you know, christ
• 1:29:18
  Cot, I mean just like she always does. This is like younger,
• 1:29:23
  faster moving Trish. But yeah, Victoria. I can't remember a lot of
• 1:29:30
  things about Victoria except like later down the road she gets a cooler entrance music.
• 1:29:33
  That's that's about it. Dre anything about this match? Oh, I
• 1:29:42
  mean you know, yeah, I gave it two out of five Yeah,
• 1:29:45
  I gave it two out of five stars. Uh. It was better than
• 1:29:47
  the Dahmer Tory Wilson match at least, and Victoria being the more experienced wrestler,
• 1:29:55
  she very much carried this match. I believe this is still pretty early
• 1:29:59
  on in Trish is running as an actual wrestler. Yeah, obviously she's been
• 1:30:02
  with the company for a while by this point, but a lot of that
• 1:30:05
  time was spent as either a valet or Vince McMahon's concubine, so I don't
• 1:30:14
  know how long she's been actually wrestling at this point. So clearly most of
• 1:30:17
  the obviously a lot of the leg working this match was done by Victoria.
• 1:30:21
  She pretty much carried trist through this entire match. It's probably about as good
• 1:30:28
  as you could expect for women's wrestling at this time, honestly. So at
• 1:30:31
  least there was no hair toss in this match. So yeah, Doyle,
• 1:30:40
  I really like this version of the Women's Championship. The design of the title,
• 1:30:45
  Yeah, I like it. Yeah, you know, I think six
• 1:30:50
  out of these eight matches were title matches. Every single one of the belts
• 1:30:55
  is different now. It's just kind of interesting, especially in a week where
• 1:30:59
  we got uh two new women's championships. Um, it's kind of interesting to
• 1:31:04
  see that belt. Um j R. Says Victoria is chronically pre menstrual,
• 1:31:13
  which was weird. And then fucking Jerry the King Lawler, I'm gonna say
• 1:31:16
  that again, Jerry the King Lawler admonishes him for being sexist, which is
• 1:31:24
  just about the weirdest fucking thing you ever wanted to hear. Uh. Uh.
• 1:31:30
  Victoria was actually pretty cool. I think I think you're you're short selling.
• 1:31:33
  Um. She was somebody that did a lot in uh fucking what's the
• 1:31:39
  t na? Uh, but she was cool. She did that. She
• 1:31:44
  had like a leg drop flip thing over the top rope that was pretty cool.
• 1:31:47
  Um. But yeah, I said, I said, you know earlier,
• 1:31:51
  this was between the two matches, this was the good match, but
• 1:31:55
  it really wasn't that good. Uh, you know, it didn't get much
• 1:31:58
  time. The crowd really didn't care. But I feel like both of these
• 1:32:02
  ladies were fucking capable of a lot better. Um. And yeah, maybe
• 1:32:08
  they were both still pretty green. Maybe that has something to do with it.
• 1:32:11
  I'm sure I'm getting in five minutes didn't help. Um. I think
• 1:32:15
  Trish won with the roll up because I think they were trying to keep Victoria
• 1:32:18
  strong. Um. And I think they even kind of say like, oh,
• 1:32:24
  yeah, this is just the beginning of this, like this is going
• 1:32:26
  to continue when I think it did, right, Um, uh, that's
• 1:32:30
  super you get that super kick. Uh. You know, we talked about
• 1:32:32
  how super kick happy we are these days back then, how devastating a superkick
• 1:32:39
  was U. And then the rep fucking tackles Victoria. That was kind of
• 1:32:44
  awkward. You don't really see that every day. I'm rolling over him.
• 1:32:48
  I was like, lucky now. I was like, can you imagine one
• 1:32:53
  of these referees trying to tackle Rea Ripley? You know, like yeah,
• 1:32:56
  now, but yeah, I give it a one and a half star.
• 1:33:01
  Yeah. See one thing about this match, like it really makes me wonder
• 1:33:08
  how like towards the end of this match, it seemed like Trish was setting
• 1:33:12
  setting up for her finisher or stratisfaction. And I don't know if they botched
• 1:33:15
  it where she didn't finish it properly, or if this is still so early
• 1:33:20
  and Trish's Trish as a wrestler, that she hadn't developed stratisfaction yet, because,
• 1:33:26
  like I said, she has her in the headlock, she puts the
• 1:33:28
  arm up like she's doing it, puts her feet on the ropes like she's
• 1:33:31
  gonna do it, but then just kind of just flips over. So maybe
• 1:33:39
  they botched it, or maybe it was supposed to be she was supposed to
• 1:33:42
  finish with stratisfaction. Because they botched it, that's what led to the roll
• 1:33:45
  up. Well maybe, I mean I I just took it for what it
• 1:33:50
  want. Yeah, I just I just because they look like they're putting Victoria
• 1:33:57
  over is this crazy person and you know, so I thought they were just
• 1:34:00
  trying to keep the heat on her, But that's certainly a possibility. Also,
• 1:34:04
  I don't know, We may never know. Fucking mystery Okay, So
• 1:34:12
  this leads up to the main event, um, you know, for the
• 1:34:15
  for the evening as brock Lessner as the undispeeded champion with Paul Hayman. Uh
• 1:34:21
  he defeated the Undertaker and a Hell in a Cell match. Now, this
• 1:34:26
  was my favorite version of the Hell in the Cell. It seemed larger.
• 1:34:30
  It had the holes on the side that they could climb it. Um maybe
• 1:34:33
  I don't know, maybe did it? Is it larger than the modern day
• 1:34:38
  one we have now? I thought smaller, I thought it. I thought
• 1:34:45
  it was maybe not as tall, but I think wider. I don't know.
• 1:34:50
  Uh, you know, it seems like the Hell the Cell goes through
• 1:34:53
  little tweaks throughout the years, just like the Elimination chamber. And at least
• 1:34:57
  it isn't red. Yeah, yeah, oh my god. That was one
• 1:35:00
  thing I fucking hated is when they turned the Hell and the Self red.
• 1:35:03
  I was like, please, like, don't like it's so bad, but
• 1:35:09
  it's already hard to see into the cell so as it is, and then
• 1:35:13
  he had red in front of you. So I always think that the the
• 1:35:16
  you know, the mesh that they have now that the steel looked it was
• 1:35:19
  always really good. And it had the holes on the size of like the
• 1:35:25
  wrestlers could safely climbed to the top before they throw somebody off or through the
• 1:35:30
  cell, which we didn't get in this one. We didn't get anybody escaping
• 1:35:35
  from the hell in the cell. We didn't get anybody sneaking into the hell
• 1:35:40
  and the cell, because sometimes you get you know, somebody breaks in.
• 1:35:44
  This was like legit, it locked, and you know Brock didn't like ripped
• 1:35:47
  the fucking doors off or nothing. Um, it's crazy how young Broccolistner looks
• 1:35:53
  in this. Oh my god, I had the same thought. I think
• 1:35:57
  that about a lot of them, but like Hymn specifically, Yeah, it
• 1:36:01
  looks a lot younger than he looks about forty years older now Prime Lesner right
• 1:36:06
  here, this is Prime Lesner. Uh yeah, and it's hungry Lessner too,
• 1:36:15
  like very hungry, you know, young as shit. I mean he's
• 1:36:18
  blowing through the ranks. I mean, this guy just beat this year.
• 1:36:23
  He beat the Rock at Summer Slam for that title, like the Rock.
• 1:36:27
  He went through hule Cogen, Rick Flair, Roban, Damn, like he
• 1:36:30
  went through a lot of guys. Yeah he debuted, Yeah, he debuted
• 1:36:34
  this year, Like, didn't he debuted like the night after Russelemany eighteen,
• 1:36:39
  I think so yeah yeah, and then and then that summer you know through
• 1:36:44
  everybody, Yeah, got the strap beat the Rock, Like that's a hell
• 1:36:48
  of a first year. Um and then now he you know, he gets
• 1:36:53
  put over by you know, Undertaker, and you know, I like that
• 1:36:59
  the seeds for this feud, you know, and their and their friendship you
• 1:37:02
  know, kind of starts here because you know, down the road, we
• 1:37:06
  all know that the Undertaker's streak ends with brock Lisner. Um. It's just
• 1:37:13
  crazy to think how many more interactions they have together after this, just throughout
• 1:37:17
  the years. Um, this is the American This is like towards the end
• 1:37:24
  of the American Badass because he uh he leaves at the Survivor's Series. He
• 1:37:30
  has a match not I think it's like two thousand and three. Maybe he
• 1:37:33
  has a match with the Fensic Man in a Survivor Series match where he gets
• 1:37:36
  buried alive and then uh, we'll return as the Dead Band. I believe
• 1:37:43
  they called this version big Evil. Yep, big Evil, that's right.
• 1:37:47
  Yeah, I remember now with career, yes, Ginger Undertaker, you know
• 1:37:58
  he's stopped coloring his hair. Um, you know what for this match,
• 1:38:01
  I really enjoyed this. I think this for me, this is probably the
• 1:38:05
  match of the night. Um, I'm gonna get like a four and a
• 1:38:09
  half. Maybe maybe maybe I might end up giving a five stars. Uh,
• 1:38:14
  this is this is great. Like all the abuse that went through this
• 1:38:17
  match, the amount of blood. Um, seeing how fast brock Lessner is
• 1:38:25
  in this match, with the scoop slams he does to Taker and the soup
• 1:38:32
  plexes and stuff, and just the way he tossed his Undertaker around. Um,
• 1:38:38
  you know that's just young brock Lessner. Like he's just strong as shit,
• 1:38:42
  and like the things he could do is like a freak of nature.
• 1:38:45
  Like when he does the scoop slam the Taker early in the match, you
• 1:38:47
  know, Takers like a three hundred plus pound man, And the way he
• 1:38:51
  lifts him up off the ground. He gets off the ground too, like
• 1:38:55
  just like like a foot like you know, brock gets off the ground.
• 1:39:00
  But yeah, the way he tossed us to take around, it's fucking crazy.
• 1:39:03
  Are you telling our audience that brock Lessner at one point had more than
• 1:39:08
  just a German suplex and his offensive repertoire. Yeah yeah, at one point
• 1:39:14
  Suplex City wasn't even in the phone book yet. Yeah yeah, not even
• 1:39:19
  Brock is wearing a bandage on his head, which I had assumed was the
• 1:39:24
  previous cut, either from the night before, SmackDown before, or just a
• 1:39:30
  pre cut raiser job. Because there's so much blood in this match. Um,
• 1:39:36
  if you're a person who's squeamish to blood, maybe this might not be
• 1:39:40
  your match. But I every time there's color, I enjoy it, especially
• 1:39:45
  when it's old school like this. Just so much blood. It's the proper
• 1:39:50
  place. Helen the cell. Maybe a little too much blood, especially from
• 1:39:56
  Taker. A little concerning amount of blood. I did like the interaction with
• 1:40:00
  Paul Hammon, how he Taker was able to beat his ass even you know,
• 1:40:08
  being on the outside of the cell by grabbing his tie, and you
• 1:40:12
  know, Paul Hammon plays so well, just getting rammed into the cell multiple
• 1:40:15
  times. And then uh, Brock tries to you know, pinch Taker in
• 1:40:20
  the side the cell and he moves out of the way and ends up hitting
• 1:40:24
  Paul Hammond on the other side. Paul Hammond even gets busted open, which
• 1:40:29
  I have to manage, right, I don't think I've ever seen Paul Hammond
• 1:40:33
  bleed before, so uh yeah, it was crazy. It's just so much
• 1:40:39
  blood all around. Uh you know, nobody went through a cell. A
• 1:40:44
  lot of steel chair shots, a lot of aggressive steel chair shots. Um,
• 1:40:48
  you know, Brock works on that cast that arm like the entire match
• 1:40:55
  and ends up taking the cast off. You know, that was really the
• 1:40:59
  main weakness of Taker here getting beat you know, by a young Brock.
• 1:41:04
  But I mean, dude, within your first year, you're you're beating you
• 1:41:10
  know, the Rock and the Undertaker, Like that's pretty fucking nice to put
• 1:41:15
  under your belt for a first year. They get twenty seven minutes eighteen seconds,
• 1:41:21
  so a great amount of time there. Uh Dre, what are you
• 1:41:26
  rating this match? Uh yeah, I gave this four out of five stars.
• 1:41:30
  This was one of the most brutal hell in a cell matches you can
• 1:41:34
  ever hope to see. And the funny thing is, I remember back then
• 1:41:39
  at the time, a lot of people complained about this hell and cell match
• 1:41:44
  because it didn't have some crazy cage spots, because that's what we were used
• 1:41:47
  to from Helen the cells, from mcfoldy getting thrown off the top to Undertaker
• 1:41:53
  throwing Rakishi off the Top too, you know the stuff that happen with undertaking
• 1:41:58
  Shawn Michaels. People forget that that match didn't really have a crazy cage spot.
• 1:42:00
  As the first ever held in the Cells match, it didn't have any
• 1:42:04
  crazy off the top spot. But a lot of people have forgotten that.
• 1:42:08
  So people saw this match and the like, there was no crazy cage spot.
• 1:42:12
  There was nobody when nobody went outside, nobody went off the top.
• 1:42:15
  Nothing. It was just a pure brawl in the cage. Just brutality,
• 1:42:19
  two big men beating the living shit out of each other, which, like
• 1:42:24
  I said, at the time, a lot of people didn't appreciate. But
• 1:42:29
  I think this match has really aged well over time. I think it is
• 1:42:32
  one of the one of the better Hell in the Cell matches looking back on
• 1:42:35
  it in retrospect, like I said, just the sheer brutality of it,
• 1:42:40
  everybody getting tons of color, even, like I said, even Paul Hayman,
• 1:42:45
  just and seeing brock Lesler, and like I said, what I call
• 1:42:49
  prime brock Lesler. Brock Lesler when he had his power and his speed and
• 1:42:54
  more than just a German sup plex in his offense, he actually wrestled and
• 1:43:00
  he you know, he could go in the rink with anybody. And this
• 1:43:04
  wasn't even the best of Lesner yet that we were the best was still yet
• 1:43:08
  to come with Lesner. This was still him establishing himself, still proving himself,
• 1:43:13
  as you know, as a main eventor. And this was probably the
• 1:43:16
  match that did it for him. Even though he had already yet been pushed
• 1:43:19
  to the top and pretty much been given a Goldberg esque type of run,
• 1:43:25
  this was really the match that kind of solidified that he can carry a main
• 1:43:29
  event in my opinion. So yeah, this match, it was a four
• 1:43:33
  out of five. This was probably the best match of the night overall,
• 1:43:39
  just a form of pure from overall entertainment aspect, This is probably the best
• 1:43:42
  match of the night. What are you thinking. Yeah, we we briefly
• 1:43:48
  touched on this, but those video packages before the matches were you know,
• 1:43:54
  nowadays, watching them in real time, I'm like, let the fuck just
• 1:43:57
  get to the point, you know, But watching these old ones back,
• 1:44:01
  I'm kind of grateful for them because uh not like this is a particularly nuanced
• 1:44:05
  story, but you know I would have been a wise tunk taker of a
• 1:44:11
  cast. Well you know, like uh uh so that you know, I
• 1:44:15
  get I've found them very helpful, uh in getting back up to speed with
• 1:44:18
  some of this stuff. Um mentioned Brock breaking arms. Um, this is
• 1:44:25
  only the ninth Helen a Cell match ever, but it's it's Takers six already
• 1:44:30
  h and Brock's first. Uh, and it's pretty good Helen a Cell match.
• 1:44:35
  I kind of feel like Drey kind of mentioned that kind of feels forgotten.
• 1:44:41
  Uh. You know, I guess when you do a gimmick match fifty
• 1:44:44
  plus times, uh, you know some of them are going to fall through
• 1:44:47
  the cracks. And I think you know, when you think of a Helen
• 1:44:51
  Cell obviously probably go right to Taker and Mankind or Taker and Sean or you
• 1:44:59
  know that six way match, uh where they had Rakishi at the world talking
• 1:45:02
  about where he did the spot into the truck, you know, or you
• 1:45:08
  think about you know, Triple H and Foley or or Shange. You know,
• 1:45:13
  there's just so many right that that this one kind of you forget about
• 1:45:16
  it. Um, but it's great. I mean Taker did a great job
• 1:45:21
  selling that hand. Um. Hayman was great screaming and yelling on the outside.
• 1:45:27
  Uh the spot where where where Taker at his necktie and he was just
• 1:45:33
  pulling him into the cage and bouncing him off and pulling him back. That
• 1:45:36
  was hilarious. That was great. Um U take her bleeding like crazy with
• 1:45:45
  a fucking close up of the blood just gushing out. Uh. I mean
• 1:45:48
  this has to be the bloodiest Undertaker ever, was right? Uh? Like,
• 1:45:54
  I mean it's not like he never bled, but holy shit, I
• 1:45:59
  mean this is like point nine on the Moodha scale. Um. Not a
• 1:46:03
  lot of pinner submission attempts. Uh. I guess the point was kind of
• 1:46:08
  beating the hell out of each other. Uh and not but you think that
• 1:46:12
  they would, you know, try to win the world title while they're at
• 1:46:15
  it at some point. I like the blood on the camera, I think
• 1:46:20
  I think um one of the commentators trying to say that it was sweat not
• 1:46:25
  blood, but it was clearly blood definitely. UM. I didn't understand.
• 1:46:31
  Why why the hell? Then this is like the biggest problem I have in
• 1:46:35
  this match. Why does a rope break stop the count and the hell on
• 1:46:39
  a cell match? I made no fucking sense. It's no dq Like,
• 1:46:45
  why is a rope break stop a pinfall attempt? Um? A rope break
• 1:46:49
  is stop a pinfall attempt? But Undertake. It can try to pin Brock
• 1:46:54
  loser on the outside, yeah, like exactly, or you can hit somebody
• 1:46:58
  in the head with the steel chair or whatever you know. Um, but
• 1:47:03
  the fucking ending sequence with Brock countering the tombstone and F five and the way
• 1:47:09
  he just fucking tosses when we said three hundred pounds of Undertaker just over his
• 1:47:15
  head like it's nothing after having a thirty minute wrestling match, Uh, fucking
• 1:47:20
  crazy. Uh. I give this one four stars. This is great.
• 1:47:25
  Uh. And I think if there was you know, it lacked that um,
• 1:47:30
  you know, insane somebody going flying off the top of the cage,
• 1:47:33
  you know kind of spot. And maybe that's why, um, you know,
• 1:47:41
  it's it's you never hear about this match, right, but uh,
• 1:47:46
  I feel like you should, you know. I feel like this one gets
• 1:47:48
  short changed. But yeah, if you don't like blood, this one ain't
• 1:47:53
  for you. Yeah yeah, yeah. I think if people went back and
• 1:48:00
  watch this match, they would have a newfound appreciation for this match. Yeah.
• 1:48:03
  I totally forgotten about it, and it was just like wow, all
• 1:48:09
  right, Yeah, it's been so long since I've seen this match. Um
• 1:48:15
  uh yeah, I mean so that's that's pretty much it for the pay per
• 1:48:19
  view, I mean not a super long pay per view, almost three hours.
• 1:48:25
  They probably could have made it a little bit shorter. They cut some
• 1:48:27
  of the massive amount of recaps back a little bit, just a little bit.
• 1:48:33
  Overall, he was pretty good. Uh. You know what we'll do
• 1:48:40
  is before I go on to a wards Doyle, don't you don't you have
• 1:48:45
  something you wanna talk about? Oh I do, in fact, and look
• 1:48:50
  through all your paperwork. Yeah, you weren't supposed to hear that. Mum,
• 1:48:57
  yeah, I mean this this week's uh the dead wrestler of the leak.
• 1:49:01
  Uh. Unfortunately is was the Iron Cheek you know. Um uh I
• 1:49:08
  think I started. I think I started watching around around about the time of
• 1:49:13
  WrestleMania one, which ages me right. Um, but like so Iron Cheek,
• 1:49:18
  I mean, I guess Piper two Uh was at the first heel I
• 1:49:21
  really remember. Um. Uh. So by then, you know, the
• 1:49:27
  Hogan, the Hogan thing had already happened. Uh. He was winning the
• 1:49:30
  tag titles with Nikita Koloff at the first WrestleMania. Um. And you know,
• 1:49:36
  I fucking I was five six years old, Uh, you know,
• 1:49:41
  and I don't I didn't know where what you know where or what I ran
• 1:49:45
  or the Soviet Union was, you know. Uh, but I knew that
• 1:49:47
  they were the bad guys, you know, both in wrestling, ending all
• 1:49:53
  the movies and the TV shows. Um, so you know, certainly they
• 1:49:59
  were the first bad guys I remember. And he was a great heel man.
• 1:50:03
  Uh. Those fucking boots with the he would load them up. In
• 1:50:09
  fact, that was one of the first first clues in for me, was
• 1:50:13
  like this might not be uh it, because just what the hell is stomping
• 1:50:18
  stomping the boot do? Like why does that suddenly make it deadly or whatever?
• 1:50:25
  But yeah, I think most people nowadays probably know him from Twitter and
• 1:50:30
  shoot interviews and stuff. And I'll get to that in a second. Um.
• 1:50:32
  But when what a life and what a career this guy had. He
• 1:50:36
  was sucking the bodyguard for the show of Iran. Uh. He competed to
• 1:50:42
  be on the nineteen sixty eight Iranian Olympic team. He missed out in the
• 1:50:45
  finals. Uh. He ends up defecting to America and ends up being a
• 1:50:48
  coach the Americans on the Olympics in nineteen seventy two. But he becomes a
• 1:50:56
  great heel you know, and uh, as I've covered several times, foreign
• 1:51:00
  heels always work, always draw heat, and he's only the ninth WWF champion.
• 1:51:06
  It's kind of crazy. Uh. The belt debuted in nineteen sixty three.
• 1:51:13
  This is nineteen eighty four, so twenty years they only had nine champions.
• 1:51:17
  And back then, the kind of way stuff would work is baby Face
• 1:51:23
  would have the title for years. Heel would beat them, be champion for
• 1:51:26
  a couple of weeks, lose it to a different baby Face, but would
• 1:51:30
  be champion for years. And that's kind of what happened here. Chik was
• 1:51:34
  in fact, you know a trend that they call it a transitional champion,
• 1:51:39
  but he's transitioned between the second longest and the third longest reigns of all time,
• 1:51:45
  between Backland uh Backland's first reign and Hogan's first reign. Uh. He
• 1:51:50
  only held the title for about a month, but also famously UH tag team
• 1:52:00
  champion one time. As I said with Nikita, Kohlov also arrested with ax
• 1:52:06
  O Jim Duggan when they refuting, and they just happened to have a little
• 1:52:10
  bit of marijuana and some cocaine in the car, and Vince wasn't really pissed
• 1:52:15
  off with the drugs so much as he was about the two feuding wrestlers being
• 1:52:20
  seen partying and doing drugs together in public, which is kind of funny with
• 1:52:27
  the history of k fabe. He was of course involved with Sergeant Slaughter in
• 1:52:31
  the Iraq Angled or in the Persian Gulf War. He won the gimmick Battle
• 1:52:36
  Royal and arguably the best WrestleMania of all time, WrestleMania seventeen. Some say
• 1:52:44
  the reason he won the Battle Royals because he couldn't take a bump over the
• 1:52:46
  top rope, but that's neither here nor there. But I guessaid in retirement
• 1:52:51
  he sort of became, you know, kind of an online personality if you
• 1:52:59
  will. A lot of Howard Stern appearances are prolific shinty shoot interviewee um.
• 1:53:06
  If you're looking for some stuff, I would recommend checking out on YouTube.
• 1:53:10
  When he's on The Stern Show and Artie Lange pretends to be the Iron Cheek
• 1:53:15
  Junior, that's pretty funny. There's a good shoot interview I just discovered actually
• 1:53:21
  with with uh this has this for a trio. It's Iron Cheek New Jack
• 1:53:27
  and a Honky Tonk Man and uh I wouldn't watch that one if you're at
• 1:53:31
  work. Let's just say, um, but the chic U was a prolific
• 1:53:36
  tweeter. Uh. Now, I don't believe that he was h the one
• 1:53:41
  necessarily doing all of the tweets himself. Um, but uh he really he
• 1:53:48
  really kept the Hogan feud going. Uh uh if if it wasn't totally one
• 1:53:55
  sided. But um, without further ado, here's a little little selection of
• 1:54:00
  uh iron cheek tweets about Hulk Hogan. Um, happy Thanksgiving to everyone except
• 1:54:06
  the Hulk Hogan. Hulk Cogan may have been a dumb son of a bitch
• 1:54:12
  in the ring, but outside of the ring, he was also a dumb
• 1:54:15
  son of a bitch. How Cogan, you are worse than airport tuna sandwich.
• 1:54:21
  How Cogan, you are worse than the automatic twenty percent tip on a
• 1:54:26
  party of six or more. Hule Cogan is not a jabron Oh this is
• 1:54:32
  this is this is On April first, twenty seventeen, Hule Cogan is not
• 1:54:38
  a Jabroni. April Fool's Day, you fucking Jabroni. And actually, just
• 1:54:45
  two days before he died, he texted, fuck Hogan. Yeah. I
• 1:54:51
  think his last week was like fuck the wildfires and Kenny. Yeah, oh,
• 1:54:57
  I hope so I can relate to that. But uh but I think
• 1:55:00
  a lot of people, maybe not maybe don't realize is that. Um he
• 1:55:03
  was a huge music fan and uh a lot. Oh he's a lot.
• 1:55:10
  A lot of tweets their music related and some of them are also involved Holk
• 1:55:15
  Hogan. But I made a little selection of some of them as well.
• 1:55:19
  Um, desperto why don't you come to your senses, you dumb son of
• 1:55:25
  a bitch. Uh, let's say, I love the rock and roll,
• 1:55:30
  but the fucking jukebox, baby costs more than a dime. Get your shit
• 1:55:33
  together, Joan Joan Jet Bubba and he's really headed out for bon Jovi and
• 1:55:41
  uh, I frankly, I can't can't blame him. Uh, John bon
• 1:55:45
  Jovi, you embarrass me. You do that, Here comes the sun next
• 1:55:48
  time I see you, Here comes the supplex on your fucking head. So
• 1:55:54
  I cam will clutch John bon Jovi in a bed of roses. John bon
• 1:55:59
  Jovi, Bubba, you are good, but we all know you give love
• 1:56:01
  a bad name, you dumb son of a bitch. Sorry, there's so
• 1:56:09
  many I'm just trying to pick out the best one. We built this city
• 1:56:12
  on rock and roll and beating the fuck out of Coogan. If there was
• 1:56:18
  something in the air that night and the stars were bright, then Fernando,
• 1:56:21
  you dumb son of a bitch. She doesn't want to have sex with you,
• 1:56:26
  Jabroni. And it goes on like this. Uh, Pearl Jam and
• 1:56:31
  the Motley Crew, both of you shut the fuck up before he beat the
• 1:56:34
  fuck out of you both. And of course he had to go after nickelback.
• 1:56:39
  Nickelback, you fucking JABRONI never ever fuck with the slip knot or break
• 1:56:44
  your fucking five cent neck. So oh, I'll just sorry one more after
• 1:56:51
  all these years. Let's be honest, Bubba and Michael Jackson's song The Girl
• 1:56:57
  Is Mine The Girl was one hundred percent Paul's. But uh. In closing,
• 1:57:01
  I think the cheek can best be remembered with a tweet of his that's
• 1:57:06
  actually pinned to the top of his page still to this day. It's from
• 1:57:12
  twenty eighteen, and it says something that's take a minute out of your day
• 1:57:15
  to be nice to someone, you dumb son of a bitch. Oh my
• 1:57:23
  god, well thank you for that. You got it all right, piece
• 1:57:27
  of the legend is the right cheek all right? Uh, you know what,
• 1:57:31
  we got some awards. Let's do the awards real quick. Awards.
• 1:57:47
  It's been a while since I got to play that bumper. We haven't a
• 1:57:50
  done awards bumper in quite some time. Uh. For best dressed and worst
• 1:57:56
  dressed. For best, I actually had Damn and Brave Mysterio. Like I
• 1:58:02
  said, two guys who always changed their you know, their outfits every pay
• 1:58:08
  per view. It seems like so I kind of enjoy seeing those you know
• 1:58:13
  every time because of how often they change him. Worst one, I guess
• 1:58:16
  Jamie Noble and his white trash looking ripped up shorts, dre What if you
• 1:58:26
  have for best dress and worst dress? Um, I really didn't have anybody
• 1:58:31
  for best dress. Given that this is kind of just one of the run
• 1:58:34
  of the mill pay per views, nobody really broke out anything special for this
• 1:58:39
  show. Yeah, Rob Van Damn's outfit was nice to see, but I
• 1:58:44
  don't know that this was like a special one that he broke out just for
• 1:58:47
  this or something that we probably didn't see on like a raw before or after
• 1:58:51
  this show. But so I didn't really have anybody for best dressed, Worst
• 1:58:56
  dressed. I gave it to Christian that pants and single combo was just not
• 1:59:01
  Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that, Doyle, who'd
• 1:59:05
  you have for best dress and worst dress? My best dress was Paul Hayman's
• 1:59:11
  Crimson Mask. Uh, because you just you don't fucking see Paul Hammon blading
• 1:59:17
  himself in twenty twenty three. I also had Christian. Uh he looked like
• 1:59:26
  absolute garbage. The hair, the outfit awful. But since Ray I said
• 1:59:30
  that, I will pivot and go with the fucking Jericho's chin pube goatee.
• 1:59:35
  He had Rock and that thing was fucking awful. Also, yes, yeah,
• 1:59:41
  I know that I didn't hate that look that he had. Right,
• 1:59:44
  he had so many looks and so many different facial hair configurations and this the
• 1:59:49
  hair was okay, but that's this facial hair had to be amongst his worst.
• 1:59:57
  Yeah, yeah, I agreed. Uh, let's see the best entrances
• 2:00:03
  and the worst entrance. Uh. For best, I had Ray and Edge.
• 2:00:09
  I liked to raise entrance when he pops up out of the uh you
• 2:00:13
  know the stage. Uh, that was a good thing to see. I
• 2:00:17
  totally forgot about that one. And you know, Edge with the classic you
• 2:00:21
  know rob zombie entrance. Uh, you know, like I said, you're
• 2:00:28
  probably gonna be against it the boat, but I did like Christian's entrance.
• 2:00:31
  I thought it was so I don't know, after this, I feel like
• 2:00:34
  he gets a better theme music and he gets some pyro, so it's a
• 2:00:39
  little bit better, and he gets his head pyro for a while that was
• 2:00:43
  pretty cool, where like sparks came down. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 2:00:47
  Yeah, so you know, it's probably like one of my least favorite
• 2:00:50
  entrances of the evening. Um, you know, brock Lessner's entrance has like
• 2:00:58
  never changed, is still best in goddamn music. He has pyro to the
• 2:01:03
  corners of the robes a couple of years later, but that's about it.
• 2:01:06
  Oddly enough, though, when he came out to the rink, the crowd
• 2:01:10
  was completely dead silent. Yeah, still a great roll reaction. Yeah he
• 2:01:17
  was a heel, but I mean, like they didn't even boom him or
• 2:01:19
  anything. It's funny the dichotomy between the guys that used the same music for
• 2:01:27
  fucking twenty years and the other guys. Some guys it seems like they changed
• 2:01:30
  their theme song every two or three years, you know, like we've talked
• 2:01:35
  about like, you know, like Edge, I feel like it's had a
• 2:01:38
  million theme songs. Uh, you know, Ray has had a cap full,
• 2:01:42
  Jericho had a copful, but like you know, like triple H fucking
• 2:01:46
  Seaun Michaels is still I mean, I guess he's not an active wrestler anymore,
• 2:01:51
  but anytime he comes out and or anything, he's still the same fucking
• 2:01:56
  theme song he was using and what ninety three, you know, like thirty
• 2:02:00
  years. Once they find when that works, they stick with it. Yeah.
• 2:02:09
  Uh, Dre, what did you have the best entrance? Um?
• 2:02:15
  Yeah, I would also give that to probably Ray and Edge. Like he
• 2:02:17
  said, seeing Ray pop about the ring, there was a nice touch of
• 2:02:21
  nostalgia. And among Edges entrance teams, this one the Rob Zombie Never Gonna
• 2:02:26
  Stop Me was my favorite, So it was nice to hear that again.
• 2:02:29
  Um. Worst entrance, I'm gonna give it to Rick Flair just for the
• 2:02:32
  simple fact that he came out to anything other than Asso's also surprises through stra
• 2:02:40
  Anything other than that is pure blasphemy. That it wasn't. It wasn't you
• 2:02:45
  know it was it wasn't it was some other shit. It was like somebody
• 2:02:49
  said let's try to change it up, Rick, let's come up with something
• 2:02:53
  new for you to go dot com version. Yeah, it was not It
• 2:02:59
  was not the one that we know. It was something else. It tried
• 2:03:02
  to sound similar to it, like, but it wasn't like a remix.
• 2:03:06
  It was like somebody tried to create a theme for a new theme for Rick
• 2:03:12
  that was similar to that but different. I don't know if they did that
• 2:03:15
  because WW. You know, you know how much w W is all about
• 2:03:18
  ownership and possession, and they maybe they wanted something that they could call theirs
• 2:03:23
  because obviously, you know, also scratched Zarathustra is public domain, so that
• 2:03:28
  can literally be used any anywhere. And before it was Rick Flair's theme,
• 2:03:31
  it was in two thousand and one of Space Odyssey. So maybe yeah,
• 2:03:35
  it's a particular performance of it or recording of it or whatever that I guess
• 2:03:40
  you got to worry about whether it's the London Philharmonic doing it or whoever the
• 2:03:45
  fuck else. You know, Yeah, but I mean anybody can record it.
• 2:03:47
  It's because it's public domain, just like the Hardy Boys thing is public
• 2:03:51
  domain. So but so whether I don't like that, I don't know if
• 2:03:55
  WW just wanted something that they owned as opposed to that. But either way,
• 2:04:00
  it's Rick Flair. He comes out to one theme and one theme only.
• 2:04:03
  Don't try to don't try to remake the wheel. That was just pure
• 2:04:08
  blasphemy. So that was the worst entrance for me, Doyle, best and
• 2:04:13
  worst entrance for you? Well, this is tough because it's such a tiny
• 2:04:17
  little entrance, right and uh, you know there's no branding of any kind
• 2:04:25
  for the pay per view and set to speak of. Although yeah, I
• 2:04:29
  will say I do kind of miss that ramp. I thought that ramp was
• 2:04:31
  fun. You know, somebody would suit black somebody on that ramp or whatever.
• 2:04:35
  Um, But yeah, I thought kind of slim pickings here. I
• 2:04:40
  love Jaricho's entrance at this time. Uh some I'm going with that for best.
• 2:04:45
  Uh. I still think that was fun. He made the most out
• 2:04:49
  of a tiny little ramp. Um. Worst entrance, I'm going with Taker
• 2:04:55
  because you know, the guy that's known for these app inferences. It was
• 2:05:02
  in the ring in fifteen seconds for this time, you know. Uh so
• 2:05:08
  you know you used to this big epic five minute event, you know.
• 2:05:14
  Uh, and it's just like a normal guy coming down was theme zone getting
• 2:05:17
  hit in the ring and was yeah, he would have been my number two
• 2:05:21
  th you know nothing, you know nothing, no bells, no vessels,
• 2:05:27
  no frills. Uh all right, best spot and then your botched moment.
• 2:05:35
  My best spot is, believe or not. It was the interaction with Paul
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  Hamon and Undertaker during the Hell of the Cell. The fact that he was
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  able to beat him up from the inside and get him to to get color.
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  I thought that was great. Um in botch moment, I guess I
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  would have to say, when y TJ broke the rope. Uh, it's
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  pretty big botch right there, big oopsee Uh, Drey, did you have
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  for best spot your botch moment? Uh? Yeah, My best spot was
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  brock Lester countering the Tombstone into the F five. Just him for him to
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  have that much strength still in him at that stage in the match was just
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  impressive and just man handling Taker and just throwing him up on his shoulders for
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  the F five. That was impressive as hell. Um botch moment. Also
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  is the rope break during the first match. All in all, I think
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  this was a pretty clean pay per view. There weren't too many moments that
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  I thought of that were that really stood out to me as really botches.
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  So yeah, that was obviously the big one. Cool, uh Doyle,
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  would you have? Yeah? Also, Um also had brock that sequence with
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  Taker there at the end with the tombstone counter in the F five that was
• 2:07:01
  fucking Jesus Christ. Uh. It was fairly clean in terms of the botches.
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  Nobody really fucked anything up too bad. Uh. So I'm gonna go
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  with our friend Tracy Um, the worst actress in the history of uh anything
• 2:07:23
  recorded medium when she said to Stephanie besides, despite the fact that there was
• 2:07:30
  a camera in her face between you and I, this while Undertaker bullshit is
• 2:07:35
  a lie or whatever. Like I always love it when of these people do
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  these nefarious, clandestine things in front of a camera that is going to be
• 2:07:45
  brought you know, and and but nobody knows about it somehow. I guess
• 2:07:49
  they don't watch the show that maybe they didn't have a vcrum where TiVo back
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  then. Uh. Well, yeah, that's my botch. It's it's a
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  saying between you and I. Yeah. Uh, okay, promo moment that
• 2:08:05
  may have stuck out, doesn't it doesn't could be good or bad. And
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  your mark out moment. Uh, what made you mark out for me?
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  Promo? It kind of was a little crumsworthy on the RVD stuff because I
• 2:08:20
  was like, the jokes are all there, man, but your delivery is
• 2:08:22
  all wrong, and I didn't think it was kind of funny. It's seeing
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  the big show we tossed Eric bish Off around. Um. But yeah,
• 2:08:31
  anything with Tracy involved it was just awful, just awful and a nice chuckle
• 2:08:37
  out of Funaki's promo, UM and my mark out moment. Honestly, it
• 2:08:43
  was just a couple of spots that were during that that SmackDown Tactam title match.
• 2:08:50
  It was just such a great match bella bell that like there was just
• 2:08:54
  moments in it, just high spots that like I was like, oh shit,
• 2:08:56
  like it's been a while since I seeing this match, Like I can
• 2:09:01
  you know. It was definitely like one of the top two matches on the
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  card. Um dre, Is there a promo spot that stuck out to you
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  that you want to talk about or mark out moment? Men? Your mark
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  out? Um? The only promo that really stuck out to me was just
• 2:09:18
  the Intercontinental title title package. Just that sequence of just nostalgia and reminiscing on
• 2:09:24
  that belt. It was nice to see some of those uh classics, some
• 2:09:28
  of those old school moments. As far as a mark out moment, there
• 2:09:31
  was no mark out moment for me on this show. All right, Uh,
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  Doyle, what about you? My promo is when Angle comes out don't
• 2:09:41
  know wherever the hell he was beating on Chavo and he just goes, how
• 2:09:46
  are you doing? I thought that was hilarious. I'm still laughing about it
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  now. Uh. Uh. Markout momentum was when they fucking uh they Taker's
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  cast. They the belt wrapped around Taker's cast and kind of tied him to
• 2:10:05
  the cage and Brock just beat the shit out of it with a chair and
• 2:10:09
  then ripped it off. Obviously the Undertaker didn't really haven't broken arm or whatever,
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  but could you imagine if he if he did, Like, holy fuck,
• 2:10:18
  how much that would hurt if someone was just pounded on your fucking broken,
• 2:10:22
  already broken arm. So yeah, that that that kind of uh just
• 2:10:28
  thinking about if that had been real, like fuck, god damn it,
• 2:10:31
  how much that would have hurt? I marked out right. It's always good
• 2:10:39
  to have a nice market moment you can remember. Uh, all right,
• 2:10:43
  what is your no fly moment? Stuff? That wouldn't work today, uh
• 2:10:48
  back in two thousand and two. And then what is a moment you notice
• 2:10:52
  some momentum changing for a wrestler. I guess you know we talked about it
• 2:10:58
  earlier with the ref roll around with the women that totally wouldn't be allowed today,
• 2:11:03
  at least not a male referee. And just the obscene amount of blood
• 2:11:09
  we got in that last match. It's just so much. I don't think
• 2:11:13
  that that ship would fly today. And probably half of the comments that the
• 2:11:18
  King and Ja are made during the women's matches, Drey, what about what
• 2:11:24
  about you? Uh oh on at my momentum moment? Sorry, uh just
• 2:11:35
  probably get uh yeah, my momentum moment is the when the new SmackDown titles
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  get one. Just the the great tag teams that are on SmackDown at that
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  time, just competing for that. You know, we were talking about Los
• 2:11:52
  Guerreros earlier. Um, there's just so many good tag teams on on SmackDown.
• 2:11:56
  I believe like at some point like Batista Sho was up and he forms
• 2:12:01
  a tag team, great mysterio on that on that roster is just um,
• 2:12:05
  just many many. They're pretty full with tag teams at that point. Also,
• 2:12:11
  you know the momentum of brock Lessener, you know, just coming off
• 2:12:13
  of SummerSlam beating the Rock and now he's beating the Undertaker, so he's just
• 2:12:18
  gonna ride that for a little bit longer until so Ryris series Trey. Would
• 2:12:24
  you do you have any um no fly moments and did you notice any momentum
• 2:12:30
  for a wrestler. Um. Yeah, as far as no fly moments,
• 2:12:33
  like you said, it's it's the stuff involving the women. Obviously, from
• 2:12:39
  the comments that are made to the male referee rolling around with the women and
• 2:12:43
  then ship and them essentially houring out Nadia having her kiss the ref into Jerry
• 2:12:50
  and Jamie Noble. None of that ship will fly today. And also,
• 2:12:54
  like you said, the share amount of blood that was spilled during the Hell
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  in the Cell match, obviously w W not doing that today. From momentum
• 2:13:03
  changing moment, I give it to brock Lesner winning the Hell of the Sale
• 2:13:07
  match clean over the Undertaker. I think that pretty much like I said before,
• 2:13:11
  it solidified him as a main eventor and a top guy in the WWE.
• 2:13:16
  After this, like I said, he wasn't just a guy that they
• 2:13:20
  were just pushing to the top just because at this point he had earned the
• 2:13:24
  respect of everyone after this match, And it's not a surprise that not too
• 2:13:30
  long after this brock Lester turned baby face because at this point he was he
• 2:13:35
  was bona fied, he was certified after this match. I think even after
• 2:13:39
  this, I think the following SmackDown, Undertaker cut a promo saying that Lessner
• 2:13:43
  had earned his respect at all. So, yeah, this was the match
• 2:13:48
  that, like I said, it's solidified brock Lesner as a top guy in
• 2:13:52
  the company. So to me, that was the momentum changing moment. Yeah,
• 2:14:00
  Will Yeah, I mean, you know, the obvious one is is
• 2:14:05
  uh the blood uh? You know, especially uh uh at WrestleMania this year
• 2:14:11
  between Edge and Finn, we had a Hell and the Cell match stopped because
• 2:14:15
  of blood. Uh. And in this match they're they're zooming in on on
• 2:14:18
  spurting, you know. Uh. And then you know another it's one of
• 2:14:24
  the women thing. Uh, but specifically, um we want puppies chant uh.
• 2:14:31
  I get it. Was it during Trish and um Victoria or was it
• 2:14:35
  the was it the the Tory Dahm Marie match? I don't remember, which
• 2:14:39
  doesn't matter. Would you imagine uh chant like that chant or something similar like
• 2:14:45
  you know, just show your kids or whatever. Uh, while fucking Becky
• 2:14:48
  and whoever you know Bianca or wrestling and like I feel like Becky would stop
• 2:14:56
  the match and go out in the crowd and fucking start punching people, you
• 2:14:58
  know what I mean? Uh? And again it speaks to the evolution of
• 2:15:03
  women's wrestling, which is good, you know, and that positive I think
• 2:15:07
  for everybody. Um, speaking of evolution, my momentum changer is uh the
• 2:15:13
  kind of beginnings of evolution. You're starting to see Flair and Trips hanging out
• 2:15:20
  more and being more closely associated. Um trivia question, do you guys know
• 2:15:26
  who was supposed to be originally slated to be in the Batista spot in Evolution?
• 2:15:33
  And there's even a promo and a couple of photos you can find of
• 2:15:37
  this guy in Evolution along with Randy Flare And is it Mark Jindrak? It
• 2:15:45
  is, in fact Mark Jindrag? Yeah? Talk what might have been?
• 2:15:52
  Yeah? Really, what might happen? Maybe he would have been drags to
• 2:15:56
  destroy it doubtful? Yeah? Uh yeah, guys, Uh that's it for
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  this for this pay per view. I mean, I don't really have any
• 2:16:11
  news to talk about this week except for Money in the Bank is coming up
• 2:16:15
  and we're probably gonna do a predictions episode uh and then a post. But
• 2:16:22
  you know, if as for Ruthless Aggression pay per views, the next time
• 2:16:26
  we have a window for one, we have uh backlash from two thousand and
• 2:16:31
  eight. That one. I went have to dig up to see what that
• 2:16:35
  one's all about, because that's been it's been a hot minute. Uh back
• 2:16:41
  Backlash two thousand and eight. I'm typing in myself so I can get out.
• 2:16:46
  Here we go, Here we go, uh Undertakers on the cover of
• 2:16:50
  it. Uh, we have Rely Matt Matt Hardy versus MVP Night Say his
• 2:17:00
  title, Kane versus Chavo for the ECW Big Show, and Great Collie Shawn
• 2:17:07
  Michaels versus Batista, Women's match, Taker versus Edge Triple H uh Fatal four
• 2:17:18
  Way Triple H Durani Or and John Cena and JBL for the WW title.
• 2:17:24
  So only eight matches on there, but yeah, it would be something something.
• 2:17:31
  Uh. Yeah, Money in the Bank looks kind of promising thus far.
• 2:17:35
  Uh. You know, they're still going through the torturing process of figuring
• 2:17:39
  out who's going to be in the money the rank match itself. Well,
• 2:17:45
  I think the men's is set, right, I think it's set. Women
• 2:17:50
  had one TBD. Yeah, yeah, we're still on that. I should
• 2:17:54
  I should give credit where credit is due. I believe it was you,
• 2:17:58
  sir, that correctly predicted austin theory weasel his way into the money in the
• 2:18:05
  bank last year. And when was that you? Yeah, so, as
• 2:18:11
  I said that if the men's field is set, maybe it isn't. Yeah,
• 2:18:18
  yeah, he could definitely wiggle his way in. Uh you know,
• 2:18:22
  things would definitely changed with him next one. But somebody else, Yeah yeah,
• 2:18:26
  maybe montes Ford we could see wiggle his way into this match. I
• 2:18:28
  heard. You know, I'm starting to think that maybe uh you know,
• 2:18:33
  he goes on a losing streak and maybe Bianco goes on a losing streak.
• 2:18:39
  Yeah, maybe that's the start of their heel turn, you know, which
• 2:18:43
  we all think is coming. As as we've discussed that, Nausea might think,
• 2:18:48
  uh yeah, I heard rumors of them trying to squeeze through McIntyre in
• 2:18:52
  if it makes him happy. I don't. I think it might be too
• 2:18:56
  late for that, sure, because it's in in London. Well, it's
• 2:19:00
  funny they when they booked the venue, it looked like he would be a
• 2:19:05
  major part of whatever storyline was going in six months. Right now he's like
• 2:19:09
  not involved in anything. Yeah, and not involved at all? Um,
• 2:19:13
  tyl, do you have anything you want to plug? Uh no, I'm
• 2:19:18
  just you know, you know where to find me. I'm in the pc
• 2:19:22
  W in the PCL discords there and uh uh continue to get well soon Nick
• 2:19:31
  and uh go red Sox and uh we'll see if for money in the bank
• 2:19:35
  and a couple and maybe a week or two. Yeah, uh dre,
• 2:19:39
  where do you got to plug? Um? Nothing really to plug this time
• 2:19:43
  around. Just you know where to find me, PCL, PCW discord.
• 2:19:48
  I'll play a whole lot of Diablo for it right now, So anybody else
• 2:19:50
  playing Diablo get at me? Yeah, uh yeah. And then you can
• 2:19:56
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• 2:20:01
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• 2:20:07
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• 2:20:13
  episode, we were at thirty and you know it's a slow burn, but
• 2:20:18
  I like it, you know, or at thirty one now and it keeps
• 2:20:22
  going on. So you know, drop those reviews. People. You guys
• 2:20:26
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• 2:20:28
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• 2:20:31
  dollar bill and send it to us. You know. I was on I
• 2:20:39
  guess I could plug two podcasts I was on. I was on Dissecting this
• 2:20:43
  fiction podcast talking about the new Transformers movie, and then I was also on
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  Scenic Cast talking about the New Transformers movie. The movie Clock on Hulu and
• 2:20:56
  Indiana Jones Temple of Doom, and then a few other things I may have
• 2:21:01
  watched throughout the week. So that movie in the theater, did you nineteen
• 2:21:05
  eighty four? Yeah, I was like five years old. Yeah. I
• 2:21:11
  wasn't even bored turned down. Okay, despite that, I'm so uh,
• 2:21:15
  I'm so terrified of insects. Yeah. Other than that, I think I
• 2:21:20
  turned out pretty normal. Well uh yeah, that's all I got, guys,
• 2:21:28
  So until next time, we'll see you. And his name is Jot.
• 2:21:50
  It doesn't matter what your Oh yeah, let's war you got. I'm
• 2:22:11
  going home. Bye, have a great time. No mercy. Now there's
• 2:22:28
  no more forgiveness. No running now you've made it my business, ext in
• 2:22:43
  my mind, the sinners of your pastor slapping me at the LEAs that I
• 2:22:52
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• 2:23:24
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  less mind, the only one love. Saying I see your soul, you
• 2:24:05
  say, I see your soul. I'm tired of I'm tired of trying clothing
• 2:24:28
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• 2:24:46
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