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PH 1 Starring And Directed By Mark Kassen Scarey SciFi Thrilling And Hauntingly Too Real · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Ero dot net a r r O E A r
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  Speaker 1: called Play It Forward. Missed Opportunity. I'm given the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: and blessed it that to share conversations with some of
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  Speaker 1: the most famous people around the world, be it in
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood or even Washington, d C. So what happens when
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  Speaker 1: they don't show up for the interview? That's a missed opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: But we still ask the questions only on ero dot
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  Speaker 1: net A r r OE dot net. Enjoy your exploration, Mark,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you this movie is so in touch
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  Speaker 1: with what is happening today. I swear to God. We
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  Speaker 1: just saw this movie in the headlines and it continues
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  Speaker 1: to play out in the headlines with a representative Eric
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  Speaker 1: Swalwell who basically has given up on his hope of
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  Speaker 1: becoming the governor of California.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can mean.
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  Speaker 3: Look, it is not lost on me that I made
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  Speaker 3: a movie about a politician who's obsessed with their image
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  Speaker 3: and thinking that they're great at social media and putting
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  Speaker 3: out all this great stuff on the rise. Then when
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  Speaker 3: he finds out that, you know, social media helps to
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  Speaker 3: unveil some things that may be less elegant in his closet,
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  Speaker 3: and it takes him down very quickly that that movie
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  Speaker 3: came out the same weekend that that very thing happened
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  Speaker 3: to a politician. You know, I can't say that I
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  Speaker 3: went full Schalomet and did it as a publicity stunt,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, it's it's a fictional film, but for sure, Timely, well.
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  Speaker 1: You come across as a real, real politician as Peyton dude,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you. I mean it's like when you when
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  Speaker 1: you see you, and when you see everything that's going
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  Speaker 1: on behind the scenes and on the scene, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: my god, this guy's playing his game right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you know, I grew up in a
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  Speaker 3: household where news and politics was something we talked about
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  Speaker 3: all the time. And then for the last six years
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  Speaker 3: I've had this civic engagement website called the starting Point Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and We've interviewed probably five hundred members of cons a
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  Speaker 3: couple of presidents, members of the Cabinet, and I've gotten
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  Speaker 3: to watch this dance that the politicians play in trying
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  Speaker 3: to get to be known in the service of oftentimes
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  Speaker 3: trying to pass a bill or do something great, but
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  Speaker 3: also get to be known in the hyperbolic speech that
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  Speaker 3: they become, you know, prey to and the media that
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  Speaker 3: needs that from them to be able to get themselves known,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And so you watch this dance that goes
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  Speaker 3: back and forth. And then when I say the media
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  Speaker 3: these days, the media's technology as well, right, and so
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  Speaker 3: now you know, maybe by the time they get re elected,
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  Speaker 3: they're a little bit more of a copy of the
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  Speaker 3: they're a meme or most of themselves, and they play
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  Speaker 3: into that and something gets lost, you know. And so
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  Speaker 3: watching that was a great ground for a fictional thriller.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's kind of once again, this this movie
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  Speaker 1: is proving to be true because I mean, that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the things I just read an article on about
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  Speaker 1: the importance of these memes in this world today because
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  Speaker 1: people are getting their news from a meme, and I'm going, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Look, it's crazy this this met meaning like social media
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  Speaker 3: was best made for.
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  Speaker 2: Cat videos and love memes. That's that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: But it's crazy that you know that Iran hasn't has
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  Speaker 3: an office dedicated to trolling the US and the White
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  Speaker 3: House into Trump on social media. That's one of the
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  Speaker 3: weapons in their arsenal weapons, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And so the idea that we're look this.
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  Speaker 3: Movie is a modern version of things that happened in
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  Speaker 3: the seventies, you know, And there's many movies from Network
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  Speaker 3: to Conversation to you know, to to Three Days of
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  Speaker 3: the Condor where we were all suspect of the media
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  Speaker 3: and our government. It's just now the media is instant, right,
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  Speaker 3: like things taking wildfire. They go exponential, very very quickly, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, I think now we ourselves, meaning
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  Speaker 3: the viewers, the listeners, the watchers, have a little more
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  Speaker 3: responsibility in looking at the media that's fed to us.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Back in the day, you may say, well,
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  Speaker 3: Fox gives you one piece of information. MSNBC gives you
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  Speaker 3: another piece of information, but you are choosing to watch those.
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  Speaker 3: Nowadays it's choosing you, and so you goin to have
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  Speaker 3: to be able to, you know, be conscious of that,
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  Speaker 3: so you can go out and do your own work
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  Speaker 3: if you don't want to be a true victim of
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  Speaker 3: the mechanism.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I used to think, oh I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: just like my dad. I'm going to read the newspaper
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  Speaker 1: every day. My dad could not handle four and five
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  Speaker 1: different websites to go to every single morning at sunrise,
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  Speaker 1: Because you're right, I mean, I've got to go get
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  Speaker 1: my news. I got to find out how close it
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  Speaker 1: is to me and more importantly, how real? How real
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  Speaker 1: is any of this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean listen, you open your phone, it's on a feed, ye.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, people are busy to be fair, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like it takes a lot just to get through the day,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and so if you have an easy way
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  Speaker 3: to get information, it's very fair for the person getting
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  Speaker 3: that information to take for granted the source. Unfortunately, you
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  Speaker 3: have to you know, and you don't even know where
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  Speaker 3: the thing you fed came from. You know, oftentimes you
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  Speaker 3: know which paper it came from, or who paid for it,
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  Speaker 3: or if it's paid for even to be there. And
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  Speaker 3: that's just the reality of where we're at unfortunately, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the point of the movie is we kind of
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  Speaker 3: live in this sort of cynical area where now it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to judge any real information, it's hard to believe anything,
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  Speaker 3: you know, whether again.
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  Speaker 2: And this doesn't. This isn't just politicians. This could be actors.
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  Speaker 3: This could be someone selling their knitting into cumsa anything,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the idea that they want to get an
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  Speaker 3: audience and play into an algorithm. So someone picks up
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  Speaker 3: their personality towards whatever their goals are. Right, So there's
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  Speaker 3: a benefit in that, but there's a huge, huge cost,
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  Speaker 3: and in my movie that cost is quite dramatic in
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  Speaker 3: a thriller setting.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at my wife and I said, somebody in
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  Speaker 1: this movie has lived this because it's too real. I
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  Speaker 1: mean just the scenes alone where they're getting ready to
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  Speaker 1: go live on the Internet and what's going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes where he's talking on the IFB with his
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  Speaker 1: directors and stuff like that. Gee my god, dude.
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  Speaker 2: We've all been there.
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  Speaker 1: We've got that moment where we and I sort of
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  Speaker 1: got listeners and viewers don't understand there is a moment
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  Speaker 1: of severe, you know, nervousness and anxiety before you go
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  Speaker 1: live and then showtime.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, man.
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  Speaker 3: I take that as a comment as a person from
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  Speaker 3: you who does this professionally. You know, I've had my
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  Speaker 3: fair experience of being participating in the media as an
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  Speaker 3: actors whatever you know, and so I've seen enough of
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  Speaker 3: that mechanism. What was really important to me and what
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  Speaker 3: I believed is I could stretch the tension out as
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  Speaker 3: long as possible if you felt like that show that
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  Speaker 3: they're on that you're talking about was real. And we
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  Speaker 3: were able to accomplish that actually by using this piece
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  Speaker 3: of technology called corsi uh, where everybody in that show
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  Speaker 3: communicated for real and real time.
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  Speaker 2: So oftentimes when you do these movies, you know.
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  Speaker 3: You're working against a piece of green screen, the actor
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  Speaker 3: is off camera, you're not really looking at them, or
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  Speaker 3: maybe they just fill their lines in later, and you're
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  Speaker 3: not really working with a real person. In this case,
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  Speaker 3: all of us on that show, we're working as if
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  Speaker 3: we were in the same way as we were on
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  Speaker 3: a real show, And so you had this feeling of tension,
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  Speaker 3: and quite frankly to them me is the I felt trapped.
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  Speaker 3: So as things start to not go well, I felt
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  Speaker 3: like what it would feel like to have somebody kind
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  Speaker 3: of gaslighting you for right or for wrong, and people
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  Speaker 3: can decide when they see the movie and not know
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  Speaker 3: how to get out of it. You know, even when
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking to you right now, I mean we're not
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  Speaker 3: on camera, so I have a little bit more of
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  Speaker 3: a break, but I'm conscious of I could just go
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  Speaker 3: and get ahead of myself and say some stupid crap
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  Speaker 3: that ends up ruining my life. I probably won't, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm a pretty good guy. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: it happens, and then there's no way out, there's no
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  Speaker 3: easy way out, And that's kind of what the I mean.
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  Speaker 1: There are classes out there, mark that that really teach
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  Speaker 1: us on what to say, how to say it, and
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  Speaker 1: make sure you say it in a way that can't
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  Speaker 1: be used if somebody comes along and changes the question
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  Speaker 1: and they use your answer and it had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with the subject. And that's why you've always got
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  Speaker 1: to be aware of everything you say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what a shame, right, I mean, what a shame
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  Speaker 3: that we can't have earnest dialogue to explore thought, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think. I mean, look again, this is a fun ride,
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  Speaker 3: it's a thriller, but it is based around this idea
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  Speaker 3: of you know, we're asking us, meaning the audience, we're
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  Speaker 3: asking for quick ideas and quick responses and quick solutions.
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  Speaker 2: Well a lot of these things.
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  Speaker 3: Are best explore through conversation, and you have to allow
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  Speaker 3: for nuance in life, and you have to allow for
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  Speaker 3: different points of view. It makes We're a big country
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  Speaker 3: with lots of different kinds of people all.
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  Speaker 2: Over the place.
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  Speaker 3: And if you spend more time trying to make someone
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  Speaker 3: who thinks differently wrong, then find what why they may
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  Speaker 3: feel that way and finding platforms that you can explore difference,
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  Speaker 3: you have a lot worst chance of actually coming together
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  Speaker 3: the things you agree on and what I actually have
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  Speaker 3: seen through my journeys through politics and media, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot more people actually agree on than they don't. But
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  Speaker 3: the media, it's not really you know, someone once said
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  Speaker 3: this to me, a a politician, a member, a senator said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, no one reports on the planes that land,
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  Speaker 3: And that's true, right, like you know, and that's just
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  Speaker 3: a new way of saying they used to stay back
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  Speaker 3: in this seventies.
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  Speaker 2: If it leads, if it bleeds, it leads.
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  Speaker 3: You know this is and look, you know you need
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  Speaker 3: an audience, right, So it's better if you know, I
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  Speaker 3: light my hair on fire in front of a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of people, because it'll be great, I'll go viral. But
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  Speaker 3: is it really good for us? Is it's fine?
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  Speaker 2: Again?
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  Speaker 3: For Cavitios maybe not so good if that's the information
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  Speaker 3: that you're depending on in your daily life.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking with those politicians on the starting point, I
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  Speaker 1: got to ask you, when do you get them into
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  Speaker 1: their human zone? Are there certain questions that you go to?
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  Speaker 1: For instance, like every time I'm with new Giggridge, what
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  Speaker 1: I'll do is is I start asking questions about his
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  Speaker 1: wife's writing, and then now then he drops his guard.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do the same thing on starting point where
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  Speaker 1: you've got to get to the point where he drops
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  Speaker 1: or she drops their guard.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, Look, I'm not a journalist and we do
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  Speaker 3: not do hard hitting, explorative pieces or interviews.
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  Speaker 2: We are information.
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  Speaker 3: So what we do is we'll just have them to
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  Speaker 3: find things and give a perspective so that people can
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  Speaker 3: see what they think and what their perspective is. And then, folks,
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  Speaker 3: it's all a starting point because the goal is you
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  Speaker 3: start there and now go off and find out, go
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  Speaker 3: dig deeper. You know, I will say this. When we
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  Speaker 3: started interviewing people, we asked everyone, no matter what the
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  Speaker 3: subject was, the same question two questions, which was what
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  Speaker 3: inspired you to get into politics and what moment you're
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  Speaker 3: most proud of?
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  Speaker 2: And I'll say the inspiration.
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  Speaker 3: Almost everybody, and this is the most human thing, had
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  Speaker 3: a story of when they started of why they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to pass a law, and it was usually something like,
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  Speaker 3: I worked in a small town and a kid got
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  Speaker 3: hurt in the pool, and so I wanted to ask
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  Speaker 3: legislation around, you know, regulations around the kind of suction
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  Speaker 3: device in a pool so a.
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  Speaker 2: Kid couldn't be hurt, or this other.
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  Speaker 3: Accident happened, or I'm pissed off because the streets are
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  Speaker 3: still cracked.
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  Speaker 2: Things like that.
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  Speaker 3: They start really with very earnest ideals, oftentimes because they
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  Speaker 3: want to get something specific done. It's once you get
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  Speaker 3: there and you feel the light of the glow of
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  Speaker 3: the job and of the media and of the people
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  Speaker 3: that you kind of spend a little more time trying
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  Speaker 3: to stay there maybe than do the thing you wanted
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  Speaker 3: to accomplish, and ins to them it's hard to stay there,
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  Speaker 3: and in fairs, to them, if you don't stay there
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  Speaker 3: that you can't pass anything.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a faustian bargain that they're making. And you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Have a lot of empathy for that journey. Anybody who
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  Speaker 3: puts themselves in a position just to be open to
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  Speaker 3: the scrutiny.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a tout jobs man. That's the fun one.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't move. We've got more with actor director Mark
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  Speaker 1: Cassen coming up next. The name of the movie and
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  Speaker 1: oh it is a sci fi thriller, real world type
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  Speaker 1: of movie. It's pH one. We are back with Mark Cassen.
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  Speaker 1: You play a dual role in this in the way
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  Speaker 1: of sure, we get to see the candy code of
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  Speaker 1: plastic bathroom meer smile that a politician wears, but we
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  Speaker 1: also get to see the fearful side. And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: my god, how did he go from each one of
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  Speaker 1: those things and stay sane?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Thank you? I mean, look, I've always been interested.
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  Speaker 3: In the idea of who we feel we are, who
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  Speaker 3: we are versus who were purport to be, and where
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  Speaker 3: those things meet and where those things fall apart. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that the journey in here you really see that,
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  Speaker 3: right And I think even in the beginning, when he's
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  Speaker 3: alone and he's with his family, you see this little
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  Speaker 3: back and forth where hopefully there's cracks and who who
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  Speaker 3: he like the image he has of himself. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's obsessed with his on social media. He's looking he's
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  Speaker 3: watching himself on social media. He's checking the likes, he's
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  Speaker 3: seeing how much engagement he has. He turns on the TV,
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  Speaker 3: scrolling until he finds himself. He opens the paper which
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  Speaker 3: he's in, you know. And so you're watching this person
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  Speaker 3: who whose identity is now caught up in the perception
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  Speaker 3: of who they are and maybe believing it. And then
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  Speaker 3: as that unravels, you see more and more cracks in
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  Speaker 3: terms of who the man actually is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what you really do in this movie. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm anxious to talk with other people because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to spoil it for him right now. But the
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  Speaker 1: one thing about pH one that I love is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it makes you think in real world terms
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  Speaker 1: in the way of going, wait a second, these politicians
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  Speaker 1: aren't always after our vote it through social media. They're
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  Speaker 1: trying to get the attention of their own frickin' party.
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  Speaker 1: So therefore they've got to play that game. They've got
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  Speaker 1: to show the analytics, they got to show what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing with personal growth. And it's like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: they're playing two different games at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's right, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, like you can't you can't eat if
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  Speaker 3: you don't have a seat at the table, and there's
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  Speaker 3: many there's many meals to get to the table.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you might not even get into the main dining.
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  Speaker 3: Room if you don't satisfy the people who are just
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  Speaker 3: serving the appetizers. And in that analogy, that would be
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  Speaker 3: your own party perhaps, And you know, look in fairness again,
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  Speaker 3: we're a big country.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's you know.
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  Speaker 3: Five hundred and thirty seven or seven congress folks.
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  Speaker 2: I forget. We've we lose and gain a couple, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly how much.
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  Speaker 3: But that's a lot of representatives who you know, represent
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  Speaker 3: a lot of groups of people, and then there's just
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  Speaker 3: groups of people with different needs and interests, and so
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  Speaker 3: you have to satisfy them, and you got to satisfy
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  Speaker 3: the party to be able to represent then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and so that balance to get there requires to be fair.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's a tightrope.
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  Speaker 3: And what you see and there's a thing in the
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  Speaker 3: movie which I won't spoil, and I was curious because
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  Speaker 3: I do know a lot of politicians, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: elected officials, and I showed I've done previews for the film,
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  Speaker 3: and I was curious what they would think because it's
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  Speaker 3: not an indictment of anyone in particular of anything. It's
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  Speaker 3: more of a common on the media and the dance
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  Speaker 3: between them. But I was curious because there's a thing
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  Speaker 3: that happens where they're talking about a bill and some
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  Speaker 3: horse training if that, if they would, people would be
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  Speaker 3: offended by it. And that's the exactly opposite reaction. They said,
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  Speaker 3: thank you for saying that, because that's what we do
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  Speaker 3: every day, you know, we placate somebody over here so
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  Speaker 3: we can get something done over there, you know. And
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  Speaker 3: it can come off as cynical, and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: swear I'm not sure for on radio exactly what you're
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  Speaker 3: but it come off as is untoured, shall we say.
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  Speaker 3: But the reality is they're trying to, you know, make
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  Speaker 3: a greater good and decide what that is, and that
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  Speaker 3: that needle moves all the time, you know, but sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it becomes death by a thousand paper cuts as well,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: which is kind of what you see in this movie.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give you one of your own
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: questions back to you. When did you feel like that
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: you were starting to move people. Was it in the movies,
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: the TV, or was it when you were on that
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: live stage and you could see physical human eyes and
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: how you deliver that next line could change their life.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Where did you realize, oh my god, there's something going
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that I've ever felt that I
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: have the ability to change someone's life. I will say
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: I felt my life changed by being the recipient of
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: other people's performances and work, and therefore it's inspired me
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: to participate and make stuff.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: In each medium, there's so many gifts and challenges.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: You know, in theater you have this unspoken contract with
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: the people sitting in front of you. You know, the
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: longest I've ever done a play was nine months in
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: New York and eight shows a week, and you think
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: you have it down and then something else just plays
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: differently in the room. And so the minute you start
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: paying attention, you lose them and you got to get
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: them back. And that challenge and that communication is such
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: a privilege to do. In film, you're painting with a
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: larger brush. You have more tools to be able to
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: craft a story. You know, you have between the sound
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: and the choice of between just not just the camera angles,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: but the texture and how you feel the tension plays.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Knowing that once you lock it, somebody will think you
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: made every right decision and someone else will think you
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: made every wrong decision. So you just, you know, putting
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: your voice out, it happens in a different way that's unchangeable,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: So you just have different considerations.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that anyone for me.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I can't say that I'm so precious or so self
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: important that these ideas are to change the world.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: But if they're around longer than me, or if they're
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: around for a long.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Time and continue conversation beyond me, that's the best company
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I could hope for.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: We got to give kudos to Vanessa because playing a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: news anchor is one thing when we believe it where
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: she could actually be that news anchor, and it's like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I think I've seen her on CNN.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I mean I mean yes, and you sit there and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you you tap into what she's saying, because all of
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a sudden that serves as an anchor, and it really
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: gives us viewers an opportunity to get even deeper into
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: this storyline.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Vanessa Shaw, first of all, is a rock solid actress,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: you know, and this is my third movie with her,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: and so my rule is, if you can give Vanessa
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Shaw to be.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: In a movie with you.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: You're already You're already have an embarrassment of riches, you know.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: And she started as a child actress, and so her,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: her her professionalism and her just her just technical skill
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: set is bar none. In this We spend a lot
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: of time talking about how to do that news anchor stuff,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: and it was important we both decided that she have
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: an actual teleprompter for the things that would be on
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: a teleprompter, so she needed to act like she was reading.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: And so therefore and then she, to her credit, did
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of work research speaking to anchors and talking
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: about the different voicings and what's performative and what's not
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: and even when you're being performative, what are you trying
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: to do and what's you're objective when you're going through
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: these interviews. You know, we did an interview on Katla
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: last week and together and they said something similar that
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you just said to her, and they decided to let
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: her throw to commercial and just reading a teleprompter. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I literally went white. I got nervous. I was getting
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: flop sweats because that stuff drives me. I would I
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: get super nervous having something and she just having never
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: seen it, was spot on.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's just so good.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: And then again, I don't want to give anything about
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: the movie away, but like, what she's really doing is
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: really well crafted.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: And kudos to your director and the writers because I'm
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a firm believer in theater of the mind. Come on
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the voice on that phone, theater of the mind. We
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: think we know who it is. We don't know who
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: it is, but man, it gets inside our soul.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Dude, thank you very much.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Well, you know again, I spent a lot of time
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: as the director thinking about how to do something with
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: that voice had a sense of presence but didn't tip
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: the scales, but also kept you guessing. And quite frankly,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the actors that I cast in and around that voice
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: really is what.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Sells it, you know.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: And then a lot of constant calibration from a storytelling standpoint, Wow.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about what
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this movie is all about? They can get involved more
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: within activation of their own voice and basically just follow
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you and give you some love.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Dude, Thank you man.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Well. In terms of the movie right now, we are
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: open in Los Angeles today, We opened in New York
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: and Washington, DC. You can pre buy it digitally on
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Apple and Fandango and then comes out nationally and all
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: the places you can buy movies. May eighth. You want
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: to follow me, you can follow me on Instagram if
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you want. I don't know how entertaining I am.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I'm you know. The irony of this movie is I'm
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: actually terrible at social media.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I spell poorly, so every time I try to quote
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: or read orever, it's like an exercise and fear and
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: pop sweat. And then, you know, on the other side
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: of my life, I have the civic engagement platform called
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: a starting Point that I found out with Chris Evans
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and my friend Jochiani, and that is a non partisan
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: way to kind of get a view of elected officials
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and is not a thriller.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: That is hopefully a place that you can go and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: engage and begin to.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Kind of demystify some things that might seem a little
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: too scary and complicated.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Wow, you got to come back to this show anytime
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in the future. The door is always going to be
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: open for you.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you, er, I really appreciate it. Man.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today? Okay?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You tooe brother