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#040- “Officer Sheena Dae Yarbrough-Powell” · Blue Grit Podcast: The Voice of Texas Law Enforcement

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  Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by TNPA Charities and the second annual TNPA play shoot held November 2nd at the Elm Fork shooting range in Dallas, texas, benefiting the Texas Peace Offs Remake.
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  Speaker 2: And I see it the last minute I turn left and we get hit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I woke up until I heard a fire doing that thing Transported me to San Luis and they told me to shoot past, and then I just passed out.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back BlueGrit podcast man.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a good week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tyler Owen, clint McNeer, keeping up to you, man.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, just got back from Vegas National FOP conference.
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 3: It was good.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations to President Patrick Yoze being reelected and our good friend Joe Gamaldi.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Gamaldi reelected as vice president.
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  Speaker 3: Landslide victory 2600 votes to 600 votes, one re election.
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  Speaker 1: I heard his speech was absolutely amazing and we can't, probably because this is somewhat derated, but I heard it was a crowd pleasure for sure it was a mic drop moment speech.
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  Speaker 1: Well, coming out of Joe Gamaldi, I expect nothing less.
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  Speaker 1: Did you lose any money while you were up there?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't gamble.
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  Speaker 3: But day three I stopped and got 20 bucks and put it in a slot machine.
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  Speaker 3: In third pool I hit $219.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I talked to our executive director.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't gamble much, he says claims, but he did say that I think he was up.
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  Speaker 1: 2200 is what he said.
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  Speaker 1: Now, he didn't tell everybody that Now we're telling the entire nation and our BlueGrit family.
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  Speaker 3: We'll just keep it a secret between all of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you guys don't need any money, we know what we got.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, hey, I'm glad you had a good time.
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  Speaker 1: I missed you guys.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I was there with you.
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  Speaker 3: Friday we had a good skeet shoot with Overwatch peer support Up in Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: Mesquite police association took first place.
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  Speaker 3: Mold boys at Garland PD oh God.
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  Speaker 3: Garland police association took second place.
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  Speaker 3: Team TMPA took third place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Overwatch peer support.
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  Speaker 3: Give them a look, guys.
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  Speaker 3: They're a good group.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and we have the Gala coming up September 23rd the saving heroes place Gala in Biloxi, mississippi.
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  Speaker 1: So they're sponsors of several podcast episodes.
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  Speaker 1: We want to show them some love.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys go ahead and hit that Facebook up and show saving heroes place more.
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  Speaker 3: Is it Gala now that you live in San Marcos?
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  Speaker 3: When you were in East Texas, was it Gala Gala?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now it's.
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  Speaker 1: Gala, I'm getting my pronunciation Shout out to Joe Tobar, new Bronfils.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: And Atta Scosa Wow, there you go, baby.
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  Speaker 4: Tutorials are going well, well trying to take the East Texas out of you because you moved?
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  Speaker 4: Is that?
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  Speaker 1: okay, so let me.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just say this I was called a Yankee the other day.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first time in my my entire life I was called a Yankee because I need.
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  Speaker 1: I lived north of the 20 corridor.
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  Speaker 1: Never been called that before in my life, wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're groomed.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of inappropriate.
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  Speaker 3: They're grooming him down here in Austin.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, not going to get woken.
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  Speaker 4: All that already.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to get woke.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to get woke up, I'm not going to get woke, so anyway, we got Robbie Campbell on new Fielder up, not new six month Fielder up.
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  Speaker 3: Retired Beaumont PD.
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  Speaker 3: Golden triangle Fielder up.
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  Speaker 3: Glad to have you on there.
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  Speaker 4: Robbie Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 4: This is, this is cool in here.
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  Speaker 4: This is nice.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: I like it a lot yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We got the AC fixed, yeah, it was broke.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man the hotel.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if they were pumping in air from the bowels of hell in the elevator over there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on with that, but it was like miserable.
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  Speaker 4: I was like I was walked down the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: It's hot.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it is Austin.
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  Speaker 3: Glad to have you in true or guest with him.
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  Speaker 4: So I got Gabriel Fales over here.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Bowman officer.
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  Speaker 4: He's been with Bowman for a while, good friend of mine.
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  Speaker 4: We won't hold that against you so we all make mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the blue grit podcast, brother, appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, how long job work together.
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  Speaker 4: We worked, we talked about this last night, but we had a few drinks, so we may not remember everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's about five years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, about five was there for about 10 or 11 and he showed up about halfway through and he fit right in.
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  Speaker 4: He's a good guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's a SWAT guy.
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  Speaker 4: You could tell the tight shirt.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the medium shirt, the smidium, yeah, I mean, if your pecs ain't pecking, you ain't wearing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just the way it is.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have a B cup on a.
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  Speaker 2: Wear this shirt.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I won't be wearing it, I promise you.
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  Speaker 4: I'll pay to watch Watch.
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  Speaker 4: You put that on, maybe after the show.
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  Speaker 3: Deal, deal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll pay if you won't wear it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh God Well this is going to be a fun show, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us, tell us who's Gabe.
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  Speaker 3: Where were you born?
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  Speaker 3: Where'd you grow up at?
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in Needle in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, immediately after, you know, I graduated high school, I went to the army because I thought that was a great idea for the listeners that don't know where needle in Texas is.
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  Speaker 1: I happen to know where it's at, Just kind of explain where the terrain is around the Beaumont area, north, south east or with.
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  Speaker 2: Netherlands, right by Beaumont, and uh, it's a smaller city.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: East of us uh.
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  Speaker 3: East of Houston.
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  Speaker 3: Southeast of Houston.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, roughly yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's, it's east of Houston on 10.
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  Speaker 4: You mean, you got to take 73 to get down there to it, but it's in the heart of mid county and mid county is made up of, like needle, important natures and groves.
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  Speaker 4: Poor author a little bit, yeah, um, but it's over there and it's a good little.
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  Speaker 4: You know, needle is a good place.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they got a really good police department.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, kind of blue color I guess.
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  Speaker 2: A little color petrochemical.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of tax base from the industry.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's, that's their, that's their drive over there Is that does not smell like Buna.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: No, no, oh.
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  Speaker 1: So you just got this smell that you drive through.
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  Speaker 1: You're from down there, aren't you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm.
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  Speaker 4: I'm from Mauriceville, which is close to Buna, but I know what you're talking about, because when the wind kicks up, you actually smell of Evadel.
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  Speaker 4: Is what you smell?
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  Speaker 4: Evadel, yeah, paper mill, yeah, and uh, you know that's when the the season changes is when you smell the smell, because the wind blows out of the north.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like geez, louise, that's terrible For some reason.
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  Speaker 1: I was getting accused at that city of Levison.
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  Speaker 1: My wife always accuses me that something happened, you know, then the truck, and then I didn't roll the wind down and it's I have to remind her that we are in Evadel, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Got you.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt, Got you.
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  Speaker 1: My friends out there that know me, they know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Got you.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, we won't.
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  Speaker 1: We won't get x-rated.
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  Speaker 2: All right yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you're from Nederland.
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  Speaker 1: When do you start your law enforcement career?
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing in the military?
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about the army.
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  Speaker 3: What'd you do in the military.
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  Speaker 2: I was infantry.
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  Speaker 2: I did that for four years with one deployment Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, a little bit different than southeast Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a dry heat.
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  Speaker 2: You know different environment, people there are great, you know they're very pleasant, it's like being in orange.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, people are pleasant.
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  Speaker 2: They're pleasant people.
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  Speaker 4: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 4: They're glad to be glad you're there.
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  Speaker 2: They welcome me with open arms.
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  Speaker 2: I sent some sarcasm there.
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  Speaker 1: So you got, you got.
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  Speaker 1: You're still in the military.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: what prompted you or what made you think that law enforcement's the career choice and well, you know, that's something I've always wanted to do, and so I use military to kind of pass the time because that way till I was 21.
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  Speaker 2: So I just use that to pass the time.
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  Speaker 3: Any family law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up like watching like lethal weapon and all that and I was like I want to be like that dude and then I realized it's not like that at all.
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  Speaker 3: But Mel Gibson or.
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  Speaker 2: Mel Gibson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He was pointing at me.
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  Speaker 4: He wants to be like this dude is what he just yeah Well, I didn't know he was pointing at it.
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  Speaker 1: I just pointed in our direction.
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  Speaker 1: I felt honored.
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  Speaker 4: but if you want to take credit for it.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a note to your own.
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  Speaker 3: You favor Mel Gibson now and not when he was in lethal weapon, but back in the day I was hell on wheels man, I tell you right now, with the mullet, sweet mullet, oh yeah, you gotta have it.
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  Speaker 3: It's all that mullet.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming back to you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have the hair for it, though I don't either.
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  Speaker 1: I lost it.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: I started working with Clint, I lost all my hair.
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  Speaker 1: I'm following you.
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  Speaker 1: Here you go.
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  Speaker 3: So transition out of the army, is Beaumont of your first agency.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 3: Go through.
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  Speaker 3: They Beaumont, have their own Academy, or regional.
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  Speaker 2: Regional.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, LIT Lamar Institute of Technology has the Academy over there, but Beaumont's a big.
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  Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of a lot of instructors that teach there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a discount of rates and the cops over there for Beaumont or potential cops over there to it.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha Spoken like a rep, you a rep for down there.
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  Speaker 4: I've been told I was.
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: I keep getting the paycheck.
• 8:51
  Speaker 4: People keep calling me I guess we'll see after.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see after this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what year did you get the Academy?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was 2017.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was 2017.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did you obviously start off patrol?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you signing right now Patrol?
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: But you're on, you're still with.
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  Speaker 1: You're on the tactical team with Beaumont.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on the SWAT team.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an FTO and I'm also on the underguard team.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, very respectable.
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: On our guards, a good, good place to be at.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's good for everybody to get to go through that.
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  Speaker 2: It's different, yeah, sometimes kind of you know it'll be like a little gut check, yeah, but well, and your military background kind of also helps out with that as well.
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's another reason why yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So we're leading up to a critical incident you're involved in.
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  Speaker 3: So, before we get to your worst day on the job, what's been the best day on the job?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to pinpoint that, because I thoroughly enjoy the job.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: It's always something different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know I have to come back to that.
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  Speaker 3: One Want to ride patrol for a while, or do you have a kind of an ultimate goal?
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: you're looking at the promotional process, or traffic or CID or no, I'm uh, I kind of accomplished everything I wanted so far, uh, because I had like a little five-year goal, yeah, and I kind of got that before five years.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm pretty content where I'm at right now.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: Good, that's a good way to be.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: That's a good place to be in a career's content.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Is y'all SWAT team?
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  Speaker 3: Part-time, full-time.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: It's a part-time team.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Where you at as far as your role within the tech team, the SWAT team.
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  Speaker 2: Low man, I mean like a perimeter right now, or yeah, I'm a perimeter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Primit in rear guard I guess is usually a newer spot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they have.
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: They break it down there Teams, new people they just select for SWAT.
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: They're on the van team and that's making sure the van's taken care of and everything If you get.
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: If it gets called out for whatever reason, when it gets put back up everything goes back and it's a signed place.
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: And if you run a loan, flash banks or things like that, it gets restocked back up.
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  Speaker 4: But you have to tend to that and that's what you take care of and that van team has its own team leader that they fall under for that thing Once they graduate off of that after it takes a while, however, many years yeah.
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: And you'll be assigned to a tech actual tech unit where you're not missing out on all the funds.
• 11:24
  Speaker 4: Stand around, make sure nobody comes up from behind you.
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: Make sure, flash, bangs, hair gel, everything they have, everything they need for a good off.
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right the fans, because the fans are really important with tech teams.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: That way, when they get the bright picture, they get their hair blue, look cold water and pizza orders?
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean seriously, that is a huge responsibility because you got to make sure all your shits lined up, make sure all the equipment is, you know, lined up, and it's a huge it.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: That is a huge responsibility because when you don't have it is when you know it and the whole team knows it, and then the command staff knows it.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: And so kid us for you for lining all the stuff out.
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: So as a SWAT guy I'm an old guy and you're newer into this as the SWAT technique of storm, the house is being adjusted and there's a lot more luck surrounding.
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: Call out.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess, except in Harris County.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: Harris County did a great job remodeling home recently, in the last week.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: Is that something you guys are navigating, as well as the, the adjustments and tactics that that are going on?
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: Since I've been on the team I've only been on the team going on two years now and since I've been there it's been surrounding, call out, you know there's different circumstances that require you know whatever, but uh, for the most part it's just been surround, call out and, uh, you know clear from the exterior, and then kind of move in.
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been, it's.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: It's interesting to travel around because older guys we were all dynamic entry and when, that's all you know, and then that changes, even if sometimes changes for the better.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: That's really hard.
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: Or at garland, we didn't do felony stops, we did the vent window drag and at one point that you're aligning the sand and on this day we will do felony stops.
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, at the end of a car chase, if the only thing you've ever done is run up, smash the window and jerk them out the window, that's really hard to do and the first time I had remembered it, like you were going to get in trouble if you didn't do it.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: I'm halfway to the car and I'm like, oh shit.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, had to turn around and run back to the car and open the door and black.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: Now what was that?
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, you start giving commands and it's really hard to change and some of the older guys that have been on SWAT for 20 years, it's really hard transition to some of the adjusting and not not saying they're right or wrong, but it's really hard when you've done something for so long and I think there's great reason by some of the adjustments.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: I do think there's time and place for everything.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, um, but I think it's a benefit to some younger guys that that's the only way you've known there's no heartburn of Well, it's how.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: That's not how we used to do it or not.
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  Speaker 3: I've always done it.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, You're not going to kick it in the door anymore.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: You're kind of like taking that rollback.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: I mean you don't want to risk, intentionally risk officers.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: Life's going in there after dope on the search, on the dope more, or something like that.
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, if there's an active shooter type deal, that's a whole different situation.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: You got to go for that Well but I think honestly in our profession I think that people have viewed SWAT team guys just said and we joke around about the smidiums and the pecs and you know, I mean, I wasn't joking about there.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I mean historically you've looked at it like.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I mean they've obviously been looked like the jocks of law enforcement and that and that and that, with that realm of thinking you kind of don't, they're not as smart.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: I guess in some aspects is what we've always kind of jokingly, almost like Marines I mean I'm not a couple of ring guys.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Man, I'm eating guys.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh shit.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: That's right, clint, you were a Marine, and so what I find interesting is that man, you sit down with some of the guys the tactical operators Now, the ones that are playing the ops, the ones that are actually doing the tactical work and then there's so much more to it, with, I mean, just the simple way you load a vest now with your pouches and and how they.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I mean it is all methodical, it's thought out, there's a process to it now, and I think that it's made us safer as a profession, and I think that that's also why you've seen a decline in the amount of tactical officers that have fallen in ops.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: It has a lot to do with the fact that it's so round the call out, obviously, but we got to change the way we think.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: We had guests on the other day from Paralampede and they're like the premier drone law enforcement organization in Texas, probably in the country.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: In 30 years ago.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: If you had told me that there's going to come a day where you breach a door and a drone goes in and clears a house While you stand out there on a rifle and people are surrendering to drones because they're they're intimidated, 30 years ago I'd have been like dude, turn the Jetsons off, you're watching too many cartoons.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: We're not going to send a robot to house, and if it saves a cop's life, I'm all for it.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: But they've got packs now like on their duty break on their belts where it's the entry team yeah, specifically for drone batteries, and they drop batteries.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: You know long lines.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: It's just a.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: You know they've.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: We have to change our tactics.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: We have to change the way we think.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: So I agree, kudos to you for for for taking that on.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: We need more younger people like you to get involved with.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know the tactical in the swatch, yet because of the movies and that's what everybody really wants to do that in canine and be TFOs, you know everybody wants to be a TFO.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Not everybody can be a TFO.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Not everybody knows what a TFO is If you're a law enforcement you know, Tyler freaking.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Owen, that's right, there you go.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You can't be Tyler, freaking Owen, that's what it is.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: So anyway, Tyler was a TFO on the Marshall task force.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to say that, but he gets lightheaded in almost things when he's around TFOs.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Hey, here's the whole.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I will say one thing though they uh, the TFOs out there, we get, we get.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of they get in the bad shit.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Dallas Marshall task force.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: They're fast team and critical incident a few weeks ago and, uh, one of the one of the fast team members there that they lost.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Dallas PD family Show you guys some love man, don't start, don't start a future task force, but anyway um.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to lead up to the critical ones that you were involved in um at at at what point?
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: What date did it kind of happen?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: How long have you been on, how long have you been with Beaumont PD?
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: And it kind of kind of feel us out on how your day started, that shift.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, actually a better way to explain this can be the date prior.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Sheena, the, the uh officer I was riding with, we never got along.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I think ever, uh, just, you know, she's like this little, she's a little thing, right, uh, and she always did things her way and she didn't really care about tactics or it feels safe, she, she's pretty fearless, yeah, uh, so I used to jump her butt quite a bit about it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And uh were you her FTO.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, okay, no.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Uh, I think I became an FTO probably six months prior to the incident, so I hadn't even trained anybody yet.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, uh, well, the day prior, you know, uh, me, her and uh, several others used to work out, to include my wife.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, we, we would always work out for our child and she come up with this like these horrendous workouts.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, again, because she's pretty, she was evil when it came to working out.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, she liked her CrossFit Uh, so she came up and she, like hey, she did it like really awkwardly, like hey, do you want to like ride together tomorrow?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Sure, so come in the next day.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And uh, this is around COVID.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So we didn't really have shift meeting and I came in, probably like I had like five minutes left, and uh, she, she sent me a picture of lineup and I was like well, we're not taking that unit, we're taking this one, because that unit's trash, yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And uh, she came up there and she was like you don't want me to drive?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, he's a horrible driver.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Uh, she, she bent like five rooms trying to get the stuff you know Well, the curves jump out in front of you and boom.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: They didn't know the people, people watching this.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: they jump out in front of you, so well, I told her I was like I didn't bring my phone book from the house, so I don't think you can see it with zero.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Uh to Boma typically ride two officer squads, or was that just an occasion that y'all just happened to have the manpower.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: We will ride two men, uh, but majority of the time we're single man units, uh.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: But you know, we go throughout the day and she's like I want to arrest people.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I rest people today, like, okay, we can do that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So we go throughout the day.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: You know, we uh, I think we just made like one or two traffic stops and we ended up yanking two people out of a car and they they went to jail and she left her handcuffs at the at the jail.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And then you know, uh, going throughout the day, I think someone got stabbed, Someone else got shot Typical Dan Boma.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Typical Dan Boma, typical.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So, uh, right before we went back to the jail, we got sent to a large house party.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: And this is whenever I realized I was like I could ride with this chick.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Uh went to the house party, you know, as he's somebody getting drug in to the house because he's like trying to flag me down, and, uh, he gets dragged into the house, like in a headlock, straight to drag.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like that's not right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like bum rushing to this house and there's like 20 people in there.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: They're all yelling at me.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm throwing people on the ground and stuff, trying to get to this dude and uh, I turn around and she's standing right, like right by me, like real, taser out, like just like an old, like Western movies.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, so what do we got?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so I grab this dude, I rip him out of the house and you know, I'll talk to him, realize that he was just drunk and uh, he was upset about his girlfriend breaking up with him, nothing wild.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And uh, there's another guy there that she was you know seeing, and so he was just upset about it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But uh, we left there and, being an old partner, mom got into a big argument, pretty heated about the fact that I ran into that house and how unsafe it was.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And I realized that that was everything that I've always kind of preached to her like not to do, like well, my bad shit.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: So, uh, I think it was around like oh 150 at night.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: She was like we need to go back to jail because I forgot my cuffs, I go figure, because she, she has actually left my cuffs at the jail, you know, whenever I let her borrow my cuffs.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So we got to jail and we meet up with one of her friends who gives her a cat.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: She's been wanting an orange cat and he's like hey, I found this thing there, a dumpster.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you want it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I remember a dumpster cat in my freaking car.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, cause I'm not a cat person.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I have a cat and I like my cat, but I do not like cats.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So she goes in there, grabs her cuffs, comes back in and I'm thinking she's surely she's not going to bring this cat in my car.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the car and she comes in and has this stupid thing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Just hey, look how cute this thing is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: It's a cat, yeah, yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I was like some of a bitch, like so starting to drive back like driving out of jail.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And this stupid thing is like like walking over the keyboards and, you know, trying to walk on me.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like trying to like stiff arm it and stuff.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: The camera footage is actually pretty fun.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Do you see my arm Just like straight, like just punch it and like get, get, get off me.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And when we get up on the highway, you know this thing had actually worked its way on her neck, like back here he's like all hunched over.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And Then I see the, the headlight, kind of like the last minute, it's a Carnot moké around that area and uh, you know, they always tell you to drive in the outside lane to travel at night.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So that's what I was doing, just like I was trained.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Well, this dude Is also driving to the outside lane and travel the wrong way on the highway.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And I see, at the last minute I turn left and uh, we get hit.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: And I thought that I blacked out Because it just seemed like I did.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I woke up.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: The first thing I see is an 18-wheeler driving by.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I'm freaking out and uh, you know, realize I'm on side of the road.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I should be safe.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Uh, and I'm trying to radio in real quick, all the radios are freaking broke and uh, then I start trying to reach at the reach for her, and with my left arm, because everything on the right side of me was Just, it was dead, like it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I couldn't move my right arm, couldn't move my right leg, so I couldn't like actually reach for her.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So I'm just screaming for her and somehow my phone, my personal phone, landed right on my crotch right, so my phone starts ringing and I was like, so I see this light, feel my balls shaking, like what's going on.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So look down, sure enough is dispatch.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: They're asking if I was okay.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Uh, what prompted them to cold, you know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I want to say somebody called Saying that a unit had been hit.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Nobody could figure out what, because the unit was that mangled up.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: They couldn't figure out if it was Beaumont, jefferson County, uh, so I guess a GPS me and there's like maybe it's them.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So they call me and uh, I finally give out a location after screaming Because uh, I was, I was hurt pretty bad.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Give them the location.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: They tried to stay on the phone with me and I start like kind of going in and out and I kind of started telling myself I was like You're being a bitch, just like with, like say with it, you're being a bitch, like stop being one.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: So I kind of come to a little bit and then, uh, one of my good friends comes up and he's screaming at me, like trying to like get into the window.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: He's like punching the window.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: He's kind of, uh, he's a great guy, his name is Bradley Martin.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy, but had he been in the military he would have been a marine.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a crayon either.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, so he goes and grabbed this halogen tool that he bought, bends the crap out of that, trying to get me out.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, he ends up breaking the window and he told me to close my eyes because, you know, go last.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Well, whenever I did that, I passed out and uh, he was shaking me, trying to get me to wake back up.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And uh, I don't, I don't think I woke up until, uh, I heard a fire doing their thing.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: And so then I wake back up, I see all these lights and everything.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And I was telling him uh, robbie, last night, if you were to ask me prior to watching the video or even being told, how I got out of that car, I would have told you the front windshield.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And apparently that was not the case.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: They uh ended up getting the door open and, uh, they ended up pulling me out of the driver's seat.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And, mind you, I'm thinking she's okay the entire time.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like she's, she's, she's knocked out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And uh, they pulled me out.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, buddy of mine, like that's.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So, as they're pulling me out, I kind of start screaming.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: He thinks he done paralyzed me, he was the next marine and he's seen some stuff, but so they pulled me out.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: They've thrown me in the?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, the ambulance a little comedy relief here.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So my wife always told me he's like you need to stop doing this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I used to go to work like I would free ball Right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, military trick, keep me good, nice and cool.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: You know, get the ice air flow right.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So I get that getting that ambulance and they're like cutting my pants.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm so like I stop them.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on, I'm free balling, I don't need to see what I don't need to see before you cut too fast, yeah, and Martin was just like.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Nobody cares that you're free balling.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I was like I do, yeah, yeah.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I was like nobody's supposed to see the genitals man, yeah, don't cut the berries either.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't cut them, they're not injured.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: They're there.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Does anyone?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: else know that you free ball at work.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't since.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but this is like a secret you just let out to the world.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Does anyone know that that you, oh yeah, oh, so it's caught?
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I didn't know it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I worked with you for five years, but why would I even know that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, you went because you're up upstairs by the time.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I started talking to you, yeah, yeah, and I did you tell him you were tidy wadis.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Well, he's old.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Gildian, yeah, so backtrack a minute, when you, when you're sitting there saying Don't be a bitch.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: You're being a bitch.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Is that who Gabe is?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Is that where that came from?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Is that something from being in the military being deployed?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Is that something from the academy?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: What that's?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: That's military.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You know, when I was in basic they Obviously basics a lot different now but uh, there, there was one day that I was, I was acting like a bitch.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I was like dude, I'm, I am done, we're doing like this obstacle course and we're jumping from that going to shooting, putting on this however many pounds, putting on this, however many pound, freaking rucksack that, go run and do.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: It's a little stupid and just mundane stuff.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: But I remember just looking down while I was in basic and I was like dude, you're being a bitch and Just kind of a little pep talk for me and yeah, that's just kept moving forward and that pop back in your head years later, sitting in your car.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good thing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm not saying it's a bad, just I like to ask the question is you know, is that you're raising your parents, your training your military, your police training and Whatever it is it's that's a good thing to have at that moment when it's like, hey, suck it up and let's try and keep you got to stay alive or stay in the fight or whatever the issue is.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah and uh yeah, my, my, my parents don't know how I was raised.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It was like you're.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of did my own thing growing up.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I'm completely different from them, so that was all self-taught.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: That's just kind of how I roll through, right so you're in the end months.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: At this point you tell them you're about your underwear situation and then kind of what kind of line out what, what happens from there uh, well, they gave me this great thing called fentanyl and that knocked me out and Uh, you know I'd like to say it knocked me out, but I still heard the sirens and you know, and still in my head I'm thinking my partner's fine and I'm fine Probably have a broken bone, it's not a big deal.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, in this whole time I'm like I hope that don't driver uh severely hurt or worse, right, uh, because you have to be a dumb ass to be driving on the wrong side of the room, like you really have to be a dumb ass, yeah, uh this was night shift, I'm assuming dark middle of the night or something.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It's 2 15 am.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: On august night.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Y'all were working the fourth watch, right fourth watch.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: So they it's.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: It starts at 4 30, 4, 4, 30 and it runs till 2, 30, 2, 2, 30 in the morning and it just kind of fills the gap between the day shifters and the midnighters when they come in.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: They come in at 9 midnighters doing work till 7 and it kind of fills that gap when the what he's talked about out there on cardinal drive, uh, that at that time of the night it's really not a lot of traffic out there.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: It's used.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: It picks up about five in the morning for people going to work to the plants and stuff and the jail is not far away.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: But he, they were actually going back to the uh Once they left the jail they were going back to the police department to end their shift, take care of paperwork, stuff like that Damn and that's what happened at the very end of it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they had just called the watch, probably 10 minutes before that, so, but uh, yeah, they transported me to uh, sanny, sanny, lisbeth, and uh, I'm just laying on this bed and uh, again, I don't know the full extent of what's going on.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I'm asking about her and they're just like, yeah, she's fine.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, well, I guess, uh, I'm gonna do what I know and do it, just talk shit.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: So I have like a group of like a good good amount of people it's just like surrounding my bed and uh, I'm like the hell's, y'all's problem.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Like I'm completely lost.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: So, trying to bring it up, Uh, bring the mood up.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Like it's really not a big deal, I'm fine, she's fine, y'all told me she's fine.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: So, uh, martin, who's right next to me still, uh, I was like, hey, bubba, you're about to, uh, you're about to get fat.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Like no, not, dude, you're about to be on bed rest for Like six months, like now, I'm not gonna get fat.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And some another officer walks in.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: He's a little heavier set.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Uh, somehow he's in shape.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: He's in pretty good shape, he's actually.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: He actually runs faster than me.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, at least I'm not gonna be a you know Fat ass like him and he had just walked in.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it and he's like what the fuck?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, and then I was like all right, everybody's starting to laugh.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: So I actually started from the right side of the room and I just started talking to everybody and Trying to bring the mood up.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Then my wife walks in.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You know she's bawling, freaking out what you crying for.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That's literally what I looked at and she just looked at me like well, I'm sorry, I'm crying.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: That gave me that like offensive.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Look like, okay, I'm sorry, I care yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Did you know how injured you were or not, injured or no?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I just knew that my right side wasn't working Even still at that point.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at that point I still can't raise my right arm.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: The nurse nursing staff wouldn't tell me.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, how banged up in my.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And she was just like you're fine, okay, whatever.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: So then I'm like, hey, brad, I'll mess up in my.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: He's like your whole right side.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Parallels like oh, you're about to roll me in that room with.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, the dude that hit me because it, I'm gonna finish it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Right, that's the only thing that's going through my head.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: He kept on like trying to go back and forth trying to figure out what was actually wrong with me.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: But apparently I had like a crack T3 and then, you know, all sorts of bones broken.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Then my dad and my brother show up, still clueless of what's going on and Maybe in the hothead or a level-headed person that I am before, the captain and the chief walked in to tell me exactly what happened.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: They made the plan to pretty much as we're telling me what happened, they're gonna start put me to sleep.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I interrupted you.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Your wife walked in and was upset, and you can figure out why she was upset.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Was that prior to?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: That's still prior to their plan.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she knew.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: She knew everything was going on.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Okay so yeah, the chief and captain walk in.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: They tell me as they're telling me.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: You know I'm getting pretty pissed off.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I try to lean up a little bit, and then it was just like that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So they had told you that she had passed.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: They're like, hey, she didn't make it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And then I just I've passed out.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Woke up probably A couple hours later the scar on my nose apparently my nose is like just mangled, so they put me through, you know, reconstruct surgery and all that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I woke up and they was like hey, you're good to go home, oh.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still paralyzed, that one.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I could kind of move my right leg and my right arm was Still pretty swollen and I couldn't use it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And I was really confused on while I was getting released from the hospital again, maybe in the level-headed person, you know, we have a peer support officers here and they're like, hey, you know, you get this wheelchair and we'll roll you out.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And I was like no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: So me, I was like sitting there, walking.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I was like I gotta go pee, so I'll go to the restroom.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I'm walking through the restroom, I'm limping to it, get in there, I pee.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And then I'm coming out and like, leaning out of the restroom, like, hey, bring that wheelchair, I'm not gonna make it very far, yeah, but no, we, we made to our house in Lumberton and I passed out again and I was woken up by Lumberton EMS who there just like, hey, we weren't supposed to discharge you, you got to go back.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a fight.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I did not want to go back.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It was a newer lady that was working there and she was trying to give me the lotted oh yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: So I had this really big vein right here and I looked at it like you got one chance.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Well, somehow she still missed and I was like Pull it out, it's like I'm done, you can leave.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Well, supervisor comes out, gets it the first time.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: He's like I'm about to make you feel really good and he was not lying transport, transport me back.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And a few days later they kind of told me the extent of my injuries.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: It was more than I thought it was.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I had six broken ribs, punctured lung.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I had a cracked elbow, which is part of the reason why I couldn't move it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: My knee was jacked up but they couldn't tell me what was wrong with it because they refused to x-ray it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: You know the ripping my nose, nose didn't break, but the tissue was torn and how long were you in the hospital after you got transported back?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Probably five days.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: You know her funeral is coming up and I made a point that I'm going to get out, yeah, and I'm gonna go to the funeral.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So when I got got released from the hospital, I put a request and I was like, hey, I need a belt, I need a holster and I just need shit for my belt and they're just like you don't have to go in uniform.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, I'm going to, and they brought me a hat, they brought me the uniform and then you know, putting, putting that stuff on While wearing a sling that that that took some doing.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: She had to help me and another buddy I deployed with actually came and visited me so I couldn't get dressed on my own and and the day dressed me up and On to funeral.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: How involved was the?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of the instances that we talk about that I've been involved in, clint's been involved in, and even as TNPA's field reps, we we are highly, you know, involved with losing an officer's just.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: If no one's ever experienced it, especially the way you did, it's just a, it's a nightmare.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: How involved and how impactful was that peer support to have?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: We've got a good friend atos podcast is talking about mental health and their peer supports program with Dallas police department.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Can you touch on really their involvement and how crucial it was to use as a person in an officer during this point in time?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: When your support was good.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I'm one of those people.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: If I go through something Major like that, I kind of just want to be left alone.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I was like that overseas.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I was like that my entire military career, so I was really short with them, but they, they were there.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: You know, we there's a detective, heather Wilson.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: She, she was constantly at the house just checking on me and, mind you, I live in Lumberton at this time, so she's going out of her way.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Pretty good clip, yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: So she checked on me quite a bit.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And yeah, another guy that my dad actually grew up with Checked on me quite a bit and they were just I wouldn't and I can't just put it on them.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: You know, the entire department, my supervisors, were constantly at the house, just just everybody as a whole was pretty much peer support looking back on it, do you think that you Essentially pushing everybody away because you want that privacy and that's one thing that scares us and the training that we've been to is is is when somebody does that, it's either a fifty-fifth their chance, either one they're gonna go deeper into the depression, or they're just allowing themselves, you know, time to heal on their own.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And and it's kind of hard to read Clint you can probably echo on this.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: You've been in this a lot of work, longer than I have.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: But it's that for from somebody watching somebody heal mentally, you don't know At what point is too much.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: At what point do you get involved with that person or kind of dive deeper into?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Because that were cops.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: We're not.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: We are designed, we're getting better as a profession but we're designed to really push people away and I think that's just the alpha part of this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So I guess, looking back on if you have any advice or I guess to kind of touch on that, do you think what advice would you tell somebody going through that?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Do you?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Is it best to continue the route that you were taking with pushing kind of people away and giving your own space, or do you think you maybe should have been a little bit more open to people being there and opening up about it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: At the time, the only person I was open with was my wife.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I leaned on her a lot.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's tricky because everybody's built different Yep, so I can't speak for Anybody in this room or anybody's still an officer right now, but I can't speak for that.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But Like for me.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Like me personally, I Wanted time and space because I still couldn't believe what happened.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I, for months, I just relived it, every every day it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I was like could I done something different?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Could I done this, can I done that?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe if I turned right I Could have died, and then, you know, she could have kept going.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I just kept, you know, going through it and Even watching the video, I was just like I could have done more.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Do you, do you have direct Recall of the incident, or is your recall built around video and stories and you're in car camera and so at the time, before I watched the video, yeah, I thought I had direct recall.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I Was actually arguing with DPS while I was in the hospital because they tried telling me that I didn't turn my steering wheel, I didn't see headlights, and you know I didn't.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I know I did that, I know I know what I saw, I know where I was hit.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know why they were doing that, but I was pretty much arguing with them.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I kicked him out of the room.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have a pretty good recollection of what actually happened.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: But the video actually Brings forth more because, you know, I was in and out during that wreck and I realized how bad it actually was.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on some of that.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: There may be blips in there that you don't ever recall.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, if there's not stuff caught on when you have critical incident amnesia, the severity of the incident and the severity of the stress and the severity of the trauma Some of those scenes from that slide may never come back some and you may wake up a year from now and you remember something else or it's, it's a the body and the mind trying to protect itself and how the body wrecks to stress, and all of that is a.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: It's a weird thing to under trying to understand.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Well, go ahead.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: How long were you off total?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: How long were you out injured and all that?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Three and a half months.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I went on the SWAT team at the time and there was an opening and I remember she had to tell me like that day because I was like maybe I'm gonna wait before I tried again.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: It was my second attempt and so I was out for three and a half months and she made me promise her that I was gonna put back in and just keep doing it every single time it opens up.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: So there's an opening in December and I looked at my doctor and I was like, hey, I need to be cleared by this date.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And what a lot of people don't know is that I got cleared with cracked ribs.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: There was still cracked.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So I went to this SWAT trial with cracked ribs and I think I did decent on the PT portion.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It was obvious I was in pain, you know, but I did that with cracked ribs and you know I went to my interview.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I couldn't sit in a chair like this.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: You know like I'm sitting right now.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I had it like slouched and it did not.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I did not look professional, but I think a lot of them kind of caught on, especially my current team leader.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: He definitely caught on.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And it's probably good for you to get up and do that in anyway, just to have a change of scenery and also to get a change of camaraderie, now that you've experienced loss of a partner, loss of a friend, loss of a colleague, and Now kind of shifts your focus on Something different than this patrol.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So it's probably mentally, just honestly, probably the best thing for you at that point time.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't get picked for that time, but that's where my mind was at.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: So mean, me and my wife actually had a personal trainer and he was he sucked.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Like like he hurt.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, you're gonna do this.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: You're gonna do the 300 meter Run like five, five times.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Then on the fifth time you're gonna take off, run on your mom a half, like just some a bitch.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a just keep my mom busy Trying to get back to being physically fit, because I did get fat.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: As Brad told me that that was gonna happen, I started getting started, started getting a belly.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: It was just a different shift of focus.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at that point in time, Was it?
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: we're getting back in a squad and going back to patrol and hearing dispatch and driving a police car and so when I got back, they actually I was forced to arrive with somebody for about two months, you know.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: So, whether it was my supervisor or or it was Brad, you know I brode with him quite a bit, but I rode for two months, and you know.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: But then, so within that time, you know, obviously I made an arrest.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: So it had to drive by that point and, and that was difficult for about six months, when I got my own car back and I got left alone, didn't have to ride with anybody, I actually Refused to go to the jail Because I didn't want to do it by myself.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: So I tell the people to take people to jail for me.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, this person's on the rest, take them over there and I'll do the paperwork over here, this cuz I didn't want to pass that point, especially at night.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And then I got a rookie shortly after all that and so obviously at this point I have to go to the jail and we're gonna make it on a later rest, like around 1 15, and you know he's a rookie, so he sucks at paperwork.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm sending a jail for an hour and a half like dude, you know.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I think it was like a public intoxication arrest.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It's nothing wild, but he had never done one, so we're there for a while.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: So we ended up rolling out around like 205 215 and I was like, well, we're gonna sit in this up your parking lot until about 230 and he didn't understand why.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I was like that's what we're doing.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Did he ask why?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, probably already knew no, he asked why, about six months later, when he got cut loose.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I told him what impact.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: The first time at the first shift, any of your wife's his is Gabe's wife with us right now as a recording this.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: So the support system that you have is just, you know it's.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool to see that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Not that, no, most wives wouldn't but you can tell that you guys are close, especially experiencing something as that dramatic.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Can you touch on what she felt that first day, the communication that you guys had the first day going back to work?
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It's a.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: It's a gut-wrenching feeling to see a spouse walk out the door going back to work for the first time after being off for so long and experience and what you experienced.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: The house is really quiet.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: That day we didn't really talk a lot.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: She was obviously bothered.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: So my wife is like me whenever she's bothered by something, she just wants to be left alone.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: She's not gonna talk.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That's why me and her argue.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: That's why me and her argue the way we do, because I want to know what's going on, and you know, vice versa, if I'm quiet, she's wanting to know, and so I was really focused and nervous about going back to work.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm sitting here trying to get my stuff together and Put myself on, went to the living room, gave her a hug and then I walked out the door.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know how she felt that day, but I mean I'm sure it was gut-wrenching for her.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, last time I went to work I almost died.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: So exactly, exactly.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: She was surprised to hear you said that y'all argue.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: She told us right before we came on that y'all don't argue.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: She was surprised to hear you.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I married couple arguing no way.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So we've gotten your perspective of kind of what's going on.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: She seems like the moment officer that that that we lost that day like a really likable person.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Robby, you want to touch on kind of what was seeing on the outside, looking in of what was going and he was dealing with his own stuff, mentally, physically, losing, you know, a partner.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you have a death, of one of your fellow officers, brothers or sisters, whichever one, it affects the entire police department.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: It actually affects the community.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole state does and it's, it's, uh, you know, going to the funeral.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Everybody's in their classes Not wanting to be there for that reason, you know, because it's we just shouldn't have to do it, but we, we know that that stuff happens.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: And seeing Gabe walk up In his class days with a sling on his wife beside him his arm wasn't a sling, he was limping, and how they had the funeral Work was at a big church in Beaumont.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: It was huge.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: It was packed with people and almost a standing room only, if not that Overflow I think there was an overflow portion that was being videoed to so people could watch and the the funeral procession was long.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: It did it snaked through Beaumont.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: You know it was just.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: It was just.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: It was neat to see that many people come together in the community for that, that there there is that support out there for cops and it's some.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: It's sad to see sometimes when we see that it's a critical Instant like that that happens.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: An officer loses their life yeah, what it happens for us to see that, but we know that they're there now dealing with that as a as a.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: I was the president of Beaumont police association at that time.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: I Was worried about the other officers, the officers that went out there.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: You know, martin and those in the other guys was out there that were close to him, that saw that and I wanted to make sure that they were taking care of too, because that's that'll get your mental as well and you need, you know, mental health is and I talked to this a little call the other day and I was talking with an officer that cops we let our own ego get in our own way and we don't seek help ourselves, yep, and he was having issues at home and I said, look, get yourself straight before you try to straighten someone else out.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah and we need to do that and that was important to me to let those guys know that, hey, there's help there if you need it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean I didn't go to the hospital the night.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: It was work at no point me going up there.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I got called out.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I went to the station and it was everybody was up there.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Of course, and for whatever reason, people think that we need to buy food when someone dies.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Like nobody wants to eat, but you do it anyway.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: We went and bought a bunch of pizza and it's set in the kitchen down there for two or three days.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just, it's something that we do, but working through that throughout the week and In the upcoming weeks and months, it it does get easier over time, but you can't Forget what happened.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: You can't forget that officer that that sacrificed and in Gabe here, I think this is his first time he's ever told his story about what happened and that's why I think that other people out there that experienced something such as his Could benefit from this.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: I can get past this.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: I can move forward.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: I Could.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I could do what I want to do if I set my short-term goals and set my long-term goals.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Moving forward.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I could do this and I think it's good, but the department healed and we moved on.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: They just revealed a.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: So all the officers that killed the line of duty a bone left.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: There's bust inside the lobby of them.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: They just, they just revealed the one for Sheena a couple of weeks ago, I think two weeks ago.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: It was last week, yeah, last week, no, no.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: No, you're right, it's two weeks.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: It was a couple weeks ago and it's it's hanging on the wall out there.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: So it's a, it's a, it's a nice gesture for to do that.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's something, remember.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: But and you got to look at the other side of this so her husband lost a wife, you know, and family member.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: So it goes just beyond the police department and the partner thing.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: It's Loose somebody, it's true, it's.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: That was a true Tragedy all the way around, because she know was a very nice person.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: She was up beach and walk in a room and glow it up, one of those personalities that you seek and when someone walks in it's kind of like that magnet, like you go to them just because they're fun.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: You know it's gonna be fun.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: I never worked with her.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: I was off the streets when she showed up there, but Listen to people talk about her, it was like she was small but she could handle the risen, this image.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: She could.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: She could get down when she wasn't afraid.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah and that's a good thing.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: It is good thing.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: So, Bad guy go to prison.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Bad guy get killed in the wreck.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately he didn't get killed, but he did go to prison.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, he sat in jail for like two and a half years before we actually had trial.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: They had a backlog because of COVID yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, here he got sentenced to 20 years for her and then I had a pretty much had to accept the plea deal from on, which is just 20 years concurrent.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: So he already had two and a half years Tom served.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: He's trying to appeal that.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Do you have to testify trial?
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I did, was that?
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: that was rough Because obviously I had to retell my story, but in further detail, and defend.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: You know why I didn't see these lights, why that cat was not a distraction.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Why you should have to defend driving on your side of the street.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I had to do that.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I popped off on that that defense attorney pretty bad saying because you know most cops don't really wear seatbelts and he was just hitting on that hard.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: He's like, well, it's illegal to drive without a seatbelt and they're legal to drive on the wrong side of the road also.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I said and they pretty much he was like.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I'd like that to be stricken.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting about that too is the fact that she and I had a cat and y'all were Y'all were just being normal people Fulfilling your job duties as cops.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously she had a heart for pets, right, but my wife's not as kind of cats if she hates cats.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I've got so many Girlfriends you know that I grew up with, and even colleagues to this day, that love animals and she hates cats, but she's okay with you having so many girlfriends.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Well yeah.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: They owe me.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Let me, let me clarify that.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do not have any side chicks, but she was just being human and I think a lot of the human eyes and the badge you know we're.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: We do good on it now, of highlighting things that cops do on a daily basis, such as you know, take the little kid within a community, a bike or, you know, bring the alley cat back home.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: We give her a better life.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's essentially what she was doing.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Was was being a person, being a, being a, being a real person.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah so, and it's just bullshit that a defense attorney Of course he's got, he has a job to do as well.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: This is trying to actually highlight that against her and against you.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: So the Senate, the Senate.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry about that Clint, it's good the Senate's.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: When he was sentenced to 20 years, it really pissed a lot of people out at Bo man, I mean.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of cops that were mad.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was one of them, yeah, and we were there watching the trial from a remote location at the courthouse, because the courthouse, the room's full, and Family members and things like that.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: They really didn't want a lot of cops and uniform in there to begin with, which I think is scary, yeah it's scary yeah intimidating and I'm like come on now.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: But when they rolled out with that 20 years and I'm like this is ridiculous, this is ridiculous, but what can you do about that?
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you went to Academy in 2017.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: So what would Gabe in August 2023 till Gabe in 2017, if you could go back and talk to him knowing what you know now, what you've been through, what you've done seen, doesn't even have to be about this incident, just knowing everything you know now.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: If you could go back to 2017 and look young Gabe in the face, what, what, what would you tell him?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, that loss is inevitable.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: It can happen Because you know you're going through the Academy.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: You hear these stories about officers going down.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: No, that's not gonna happen to me, so I just prepare myself for that and Do what I'm still doing right now, which is Every day you're gonna learn something, and just stay humble with it.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where to be, man, that's where to be.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I've a Number one on behalf of TNPA me and Clint and you coming on here, man, thank you so much because I think stories like this need to be told.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: You give, you give hope, you might give somebody, that one person to hear this, because, man, that If Gabe can do it, I can do it, and that's one thing that me and Clint talking to Joe King, the ATO podcast family, that's one thing that's inspired us to be more.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: You know, appealing to the mental aspect of this is that, you know, when people hear these stories out there, it gives other people hope.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So, thank you for sharing it with us.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing with the, with the world.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, I appreciate you coming up.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, robbie.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys watched in the blue, chris, the blue great episodes I Listen to the podcast, but I didn't know your heart of YouTube page.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we both have a face for radius Versions.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Probably a lot better than absolutely absolutely.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: You want to do the questions.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: We have some rapid-fire questions, yep, and I hope that uh, seeing Robbie's a kiss ass.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I'm only known for about a year and so I hope that you answer these correctly.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: He's a hard-working, great employee.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: What he is.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, oh yes that's me All right, you ready nothing, tfo you're ready.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Best cop movie or line from a cop movie Go first go first, it'd be diehard.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: It's not only a cop movie, it's Christmas movie.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: So it is a Christmas movie.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a big debate.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you see she she doesn't agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll do one.
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  Speaker 2: I won't tell you the movie.
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  Speaker 4: You should probably know it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll just come up with the line I'll take a dr Pepper in a Diablo sandwich.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a four-year time.
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  Speaker 4: Every time that show comes on.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care what I'm doing, I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, I'll call them sick to work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no offense to watch the smokey the man if it comes on.
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  Speaker 3: There is no way.
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  Speaker 3: You came from my low and yeah, yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Best police vehicle all time.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can only test to what I'm driven.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great.
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  Speaker 3: That is a great preface to the answer, that it's the only answer that you know.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it's the all time.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great way to preface that question, but my favorite one was a the old saving tacos.
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  Speaker 2: The order was not the bus.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care from the bubble style yeah, the older bubble style.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, man, crown Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: There's no other car like that.
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  Speaker 4: So when your ass is in a bind and you're on the ground, you can hear the sirens.
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  Speaker 4: That's conditioned to hear that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But when you hear the roar, the roar is distinct, like yeah, calvary's coming, and that's that's the I wish they were making.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I like you before, but now I absolutely love you.
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  Speaker 1: That's.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for saying that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a it's, it's a.
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  Speaker 4: It was a great car.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoy the car.
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  Speaker 4: It's a.
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  Speaker 4: We call them war wagons all the time.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: What's what it is?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah I could buy one.
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  Speaker 1: They make it in four-wheel drive.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'd have for a vehicle.
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  Speaker 4: That's the redneck in you.
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  Speaker 4: That's the east Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't like to call them All.
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  Speaker 1: Right, we're probably in the show now.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, sir, where you're?
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  Speaker 4: where you're getting police work 1995.
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  Speaker 3: I was for, really.
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  Speaker 3: So we're caprices where they're caprices back then.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, at the sheriff's office, yeah do you drive one?
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  Speaker 4: I did.
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  Speaker 3: Can you like a crown Vic better than a?
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  Speaker 4: Caprice, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, back then the crown Vicks was for squirming.
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  Speaker 4: The crown Vicks were square body the big ones in.
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  Speaker 1: We do have steep point employee evaluations coming up, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I need to adjust that's done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he has to evaluate us next.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no but that's okay yeah all right, last one Drink of choice.
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  Speaker 4: Jameson oh, that's no shit after last night, yeah, yeah, I could answer that for on a rock knee.
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  Speaker 4: Tell the rocks on the rock.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Four roses, single barrel, small batch oh.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you tried that, we, I tried that when we were somewhere.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: It is way no, and I had forgotten the name of it after the meeting we had at RDA in February yes To a restaurant, then a place beside it you need to text me that name, because I had it that night.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: It was amazing and I cannot remember the name of it.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or I got a bottle of it in the house.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: I'd go through every time, me anytime.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: I want to just watch the dirt out of my mouth.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: You know, after a long, long week after driving a crown, vick oh.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: God, the shit's getting deep in here.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: That was probably the Chevy's, because the air condition wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, blow the windows out.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need air conditioner in the rocket?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: No, oh God.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Well, shit's getting deep in here right now, so we might as well end this on a positive note.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: You got anything else, clint?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Nope, shout out to our brothers at Austin PD.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a dumpster fire in the city of Austin.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah straight dumpster fire.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just announced that their chief is retiring in the Either end of September or middle of September.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: And then they've got the cluster.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Going on with the Travis Kennedy a with Jose Garza, and then just the just shit show you want calling it a shit show going on with the Austin City Council.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: They've won city council member.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I will show her love every day of the week.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Mckenzie Kelly.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Shout out McKenzie Kelly's rock star.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your continued support law enforcement and you're being a pioneer there at the Austin City Council because the the rest of those people Got help and if they need police they need to call a crackhead.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: And you can't blame the chief for bailing out of the airplane with no parachute.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: He's like screw this.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: This is what cracks me up about this, and we're side trail, sorry.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Austin has Seattle, portland, minneapolis and San Francisco as an example for the last three years of what not to do.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and here we are.
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  Speaker 4: They still keep doing it.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they still keep doing.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: If I could have any words of advice and words of Kevin Lawrence Anybody law enforcement, travis County, get out why you still can now that Garza's announced his reelection.
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  Speaker 1: So we will continue the good fight and be there when we can and be the voice of Texas law enforcement, like we always are.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: But and Austin PD's got a uphill battle and we're gonna be their soldiers.
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  Speaker 1: So the witness must be came prayers for APD yeah yeah, so you guys stay safe, always, always, pleasure, pleasure.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you again, gay, for coming on.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yep, so I'll be sure some love the Beaumont PD and, as always, god bless you, and may God bless Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, oh.