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5-29-26 Hour 2 - The lesser of two roster evils/NBA "fixes" tanking problem/Oh, By the Way... · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Caine on demand.
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  Speaker 3: App Mochel Lombardi, Mochia, Lombardi, Caine.
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  Speaker 2: On this Friday, I'll be happy to wrap this week up,
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  Speaker 2: boys and call it a day and look fresh forward
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  Speaker 2: to Monday. That'll be a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: So, Mose, you just looked at the window, you saw
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  Speaker 4: saw the balls. Well, big man's here today.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw it like he was at the wind.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my.
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  Speaker 4: God, keV Vic he's outside the studio right now.
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  Speaker 3: So I was getting a coffee in there.
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  Speaker 1: I want to raise.
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  Speaker 4: And he said something that we've mentioned on the show before,
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  Speaker 4: but how much this sucks and how brutal this is
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  Speaker 4: because there's only two joys that you get as a
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  Speaker 4: sports fan.
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  Speaker 3: And this is true. There's two joys.
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  Speaker 4: You get the joy of the climb when your team
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  Speaker 4: isn't good and they get good.
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  Speaker 3: And then you get the joy of we won. And
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  Speaker 3: once you're past the climb.
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  Speaker 4: Everything else there's no happiness anymore else unless you're lifting
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  Speaker 4: up a trophy.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Once you get to the top. Anything but the top
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  Speaker 1: is a disappointment, and that's what sucks. We have That's
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  Speaker 1: what sucks sometimes about being a sports fan. Once you
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  Speaker 1: get there, any inch below it is and I guess
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  Speaker 1: you got to come to terms with that. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: got to understand that it's not possible to get to
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  Speaker 1: the top every time.
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  Speaker 2: It just isn't. Does it make you have any sort
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  Speaker 2: of sympathy for the Buffalo Bills fans who got to
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  Speaker 2: the Big One four and lost every single one of
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  Speaker 2: them and never never have never been again.
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  Speaker 1: Moser, that run that they had in the nineties, four
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  Speaker 1: straight Super Bowls may never be done again, four straight,
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  Speaker 1: and yet they're deemed a disappointment. Well, so it's just
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  Speaker 1: unreal to me.
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  Speaker 3: In talking to them. Listen at this for a second.
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  Speaker 4: They had two teams if you include the Rams in this,
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  Speaker 4: but very easily could be the Moroncos too, a little
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  Speaker 4: bit different because they were there on the climb the
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  Speaker 4: ascent that was fun. But between the Rams and the Aves,
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  Speaker 4: both made it to their conference championships. Both lost, and
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  Speaker 4: it feels like failures despite the fact that you're one
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  Speaker 4: of the three best teams in your respective leagues. And
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  Speaker 4: you're like, not, still doesn't make me feel any better.
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  Speaker 4: And that's kind of what's happening with the AVS is
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  Speaker 4: you're just you're at this point and this is where
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  Speaker 4: I'll remind you, guys, kind of where we started this morning,
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  Speaker 4: and this is just where my head's at. The more
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  Speaker 4: we get away from the initial feeling the loss, the
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  Speaker 4: more I feel the Vegas series.
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  Speaker 3: Was a huge fluke.
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  Speaker 4: You know when I mentioned this that if they play
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  Speaker 4: that series one hundred times, and I truly believe this
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  Speaker 4: is the only one in which the abs would have
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  Speaker 4: been swept, like the only one. Am I making big
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  Speaker 4: franchise altering decisions off of that? I mean, I suppose
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  Speaker 4: you could. There's certain there's an argument for it, but
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  Speaker 4: is that the wisest way to go about it.
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  Speaker 2: I was such a busy body yesterday. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to go through my whole day again, in my whole life.
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  Speaker 1: Please give us the details.
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  Speaker 2: I did mo, I did mow an edge my lawns yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I did all of that came up, but I came
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  Speaker 3: up with the second. Weren't going to go through all
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  Speaker 3: the things to.
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  Speaker 2: Saying this is important. I came up with a scheme
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  Speaker 2: to fence off certain parts of my backyard so my
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  Speaker 2: girl dog can't get in there, and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: get down and kill the grass and all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. But while I'm doing all of this, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going through every scenario in my head, Vic Brett. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going through run it back. I'm going through coaches, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going through personnel. I'm going through the league. I'm going through, well,
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  Speaker 2: who matches up against two? And can you try to
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  Speaker 2: get the like Vegas got the perfect matchups for them?
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  Speaker 3: All the way through.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing all of this time and time again as
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  Speaker 2: I'm busy bodying all around the house all day and
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  Speaker 2: all night, busy body. The only thing I didn't do
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  Speaker 2: is clean my fish tank. But I'm busy bodying all
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  Speaker 2: the way around. But I'm going through. I can't stop
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  Speaker 2: going through all these scenarios. So the running back scenario, Brett,
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it feels very viable to me.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, running it back does not mean, like, guys,
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  Speaker 4: if you win us, if you want to Stanley Cup
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  Speaker 4: this year, the team would change in some year.
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  Speaker 3: So running it back is basically saying.
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  Speaker 4: That the bulk of the core of your team is
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  Speaker 4: going to remain. That's what that means, because you're going
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  Speaker 4: to change out some pieces near the bottom. Every team
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  Speaker 4: does if you win a super Bowl, a World Series,
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  Speaker 4: a Stanley Cup, or an NBA championship. That happens. Happened
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  Speaker 4: to the Nuggets. The Nuggets won the championship and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't have they have Yeah, they had KCP the following year,
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  Speaker 4: but didn't have Jeff Green, didn't have.
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  Speaker 3: Guys like that.
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  Speaker 4: Like that happens, And I think I'm just more in
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  Speaker 4: the camp of that was weird, and I don't think
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  Speaker 4: I would make major changes to the organization based on
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  Speaker 4: that bottom line.
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  Speaker 1: The more time passes, I think, the more rational you
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  Speaker 1: become as a sports fan. The very moment things happened.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you speak of the irrational. When the Nuggets
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  Speaker 1: lost that night, I wanted everybody gone yeah. And then
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  Speaker 1: you sit back and you say, gosh, thank goodness, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not in charge of this stuff. Because you cannot show emotion.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be practical. You have to take a
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  Speaker 1: step back. Those that are impractical, those of us on
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  Speaker 1: the outside looking in, and we are we become irrational
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  Speaker 1: and emotional, and I get and Andrews are allowed to
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  Speaker 1: do that, every one of you, me included. We're allowed
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  Speaker 1: to do that because that's why we're fans. But those
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  Speaker 1: who get paid, those who run these teams, those who
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  Speaker 1: are on the inside, that's the worst thing you can do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there have to be tweaks, there have to be adjustments,
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  Speaker 2: there has to be all of that, and there is,
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  Speaker 2: By the way, every single year, I'll try to find
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  Speaker 2: the McKinnon quote about bed Near and about how he
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  Speaker 2: thinks the game and the constant adjustments and so on.
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  Speaker 2: Over the years, I'll get to some of that. But
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  Speaker 2: you know what's incredibly hard is to explain to somebody,
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  Speaker 2: a fan who maybe pays a lot of money to
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  Speaker 2: enjoy your product. You try to tell them, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: know we lost, but we're in a really good spot.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you were in a good spot, you'd win.
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  Speaker 3: You see what, you see what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's that it's hard to explain to somebody, I
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  Speaker 2: know we lost, Hey, I know, we got swept in
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  Speaker 2: four straight games by a team that is everybody's how
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  Speaker 2: do you call I'm not I'm not going to use
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  Speaker 2: any other words. A team that's not desirable by a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fan bases. Yet we're still in We're still
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  Speaker 2: in a pretty good, pretty good place.
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  Speaker 3: We're still so let me ask you. We still got
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  Speaker 3: a lot of we still have a lot of good
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  Speaker 3: things going on.
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  Speaker 2: Can I People don't want to hear it, they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to buy it, but it may be very very true.
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  Speaker 4: Can I just real quick, vic Two things here? One
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  Speaker 4: text coming through saying four straight losses is not a fluke.
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  Speaker 4: It actually is. That's how flukes happen. They happen in
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  Speaker 4: short bursts. That's definition of a fluke. Actually, if you
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  Speaker 4: lost fifty games over the course of the season, most
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  Speaker 4: that's not a fluke.
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  Speaker 3: That's who you are. But you said you were looking
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  Speaker 3: for the McKinnon quote. I have it here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming this is what you're talking about. From Corey Masisak.
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  Speaker 4: He said, here's Nathan McKinnon speaking directly about Jared Bednar
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  Speaker 4: as a coach in a story from just before the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: So this is just before.
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  Speaker 4: McKinnon said, Bennar is a very smart guy, and that's
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  Speaker 4: why it doesn't feel like it's been too long. He's
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  Speaker 4: been my coach for ten years and he's great. He's
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  Speaker 4: just great at communicating, and he's a great guy. The
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  Speaker 4: guys really enjoy it being around him. It's nice to
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  Speaker 4: have someone put some thought into what they're doing or
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  Speaker 4: what they're going to say every day. I wouldn't want
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  Speaker 4: another coach, is what he said before the playoffs. So
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  Speaker 4: that was Nathan McKinnon.
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  Speaker 2: Now you may think, you know what, well, McKinnon's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: You know what the big problem is. It's not even coach,
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  Speaker 2: not kidd, it's McKinnon. He's the problem. I mean, people
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  Speaker 2: are always looking to find that problem and they want
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  Speaker 2: to fix that problem. Part of society today because you lose.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it exists in some capacity, but I know
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  Speaker 2: how hard it is to win. But so many people
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  Speaker 2: nowadays in society are trying to find solutions to frigging
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  Speaker 2: problems that don't exist, and so they make up problems
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  Speaker 2: or they.
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  Speaker 3: Make up what doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean, Well, you have one of the
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  Speaker 2: best players on the planet, heart and soul kind of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, core piece.
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  Speaker 2: Is the day. As long as the summertime, likely an
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  Speaker 2: avalanche for his entire career. Number will be in the rafters.
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  Speaker 2: And he says, you know what, I love this coach
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  Speaker 2: I thrive on this coach and you have people out
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  Speaker 2: there it's like you've got to fire the coach. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the wrong thing to do, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying you have the best player on the planet
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  Speaker 2: who wouldn't advocate for that, or my opinion, one of
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  Speaker 2: the best players on the planet who wouldn't advocate for that.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think he's a dummy? I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you do. I don't know, Brett. But when you lose
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  Speaker 2: like this, so many people want to solve problems and
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  Speaker 2: I dig it because you didn't win. But are the problems,
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  Speaker 2: I mean little problems that if you solve a couple
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  Speaker 2: of them, everything is good, the whole series turns around.
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  Speaker 2: Or is it? God, you better solve big problems that
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  Speaker 2: don't exist.
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  Speaker 1: Can I raise a question that I think I know
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  Speaker 1: the answer to, But I want to compare and contrast
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  Speaker 1: with you guys. Three teams in the last six months
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  Speaker 1: there are seasons ended with a thud like oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: and we had championship aspirations for all three the Broncos,
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  Speaker 1: the Nuggets, and the.
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  Speaker 3: AVS champion Chip Windows.
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  Speaker 2: I hate your voice in that that sounds like it's
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  Speaker 2: just stupid.
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  Speaker 1: When the Nuggets said they'd run it back, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people looked at that said why it would change
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  Speaker 1: is necessary? When the Avs, we don't know what their
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  Speaker 1: intentions are. We're talking about running it back and people,
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  Speaker 1: some people are like, no change is necessary. But the
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  Speaker 1: Broncos said and did actively they're running it back, and we're.
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  Speaker 2: Okay with that. But they made they made a pretty
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  Speaker 2: big change. Play calling is a pretty damn big change.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that quantifies as enough of a alteration to
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  Speaker 1: run it back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because they're also on the ascend and yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: they're also on the ascend in the building.
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  Speaker 3: So you're you're you're, you're like, you're letting it cook.
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  Speaker 2: Is what you're doing? Cook?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I think there's more grace for the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: in that situation because they lost their quarterback before the
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  Speaker 1: biggest game of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And and that position is different. I know the
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  Speaker 1: Nuggets head injuries and I know the Avs had injuries.
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  Speaker 1: I know that, but it's just different when your quarterback
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  Speaker 1: gets injured. So I'm just curious, are we good with
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  Speaker 1: all three teams in the back or not? No, I'd
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  Speaker 1: love to get into that. I'd love to get into
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  Speaker 1: why there's a third Breton.
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  Speaker 2: What was that question you asked with two options, Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's knowing what you have to do.
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  Speaker 4: Knowing what the issue is with your team without a
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  Speaker 4: real ability to fix it sucks. But is it as
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  Speaker 4: bad as not truly knowing what the issue is? If
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  Speaker 4: you could identify the problem that you're like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: have the assets to fix this, that's a bad place
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  Speaker 4: to be.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Nuggets are in a spot where they may
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  Speaker 2: be able to identify what they need as an organization
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  Speaker 2: from getting at Yeah, but they are so restricted by
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  Speaker 2: aprons and bird rights and butt heads and well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you've got so many different little pieces of vernacular discussion
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  Speaker 2: the CBA that they're restricted by all this crap.
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  Speaker 3: So we can get to that in just a couple
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  Speaker 3: of minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Here. There's also the NBA's announced it an official change
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  Speaker 4: to something that I think is dump it just it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't fix anything. They tried to fix something by just
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  Speaker 4: doing something that doesn't fix the actual problem. We'll get
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  Speaker 4: to it next.
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  Speaker 3: Bubble barrel bugshot.
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  Speaker 4: All right, So let's table the as of the Nuggets
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  Speaker 4: for a second. I want to discuss something that's bothered me.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I read something about the Denver Broncos I would
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  Speaker 2: like to share with you from a guy. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's all of it in a second, but here's what
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  Speaker 4: I want to present to you. And I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: start reading this until I get bored. Okay, let's play
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  Speaker 4: a game called how long can Brett continue reading?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Nelly, if you would please? The three to two
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  Speaker 3: one lottery proposal, named to represent the number of lottery
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  Speaker 3: balls per team, would expand a lottery if fourteen to
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  Speaker 3: sixteen teams, please.
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  Speaker 2: I want you start over because you've gone two. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna tell you when I'm out. You you be out when
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  Speaker 2: you're out.
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  Speaker 4: The three to one lottery proposal, named to represent the
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  Speaker 4: number of lottery balls per team, would expand the lottery
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  Speaker 4: from fourteen to sixteen teams. Teams that do not qualify
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  Speaker 4: for the playoffs or playing tournaments but stay out of
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  Speaker 4: the relegation zone spots four through ten would receive three
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  Speaker 4: but lottery balls each. Teams with the bottom three record
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  Speaker 4: the relegation zone just two lottery balls, but have a
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  Speaker 4: floor of the twelfth pick, while the rest of the
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  Speaker 4: thirteen lottery teams could fall as far as the sixteenth pick,
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  Speaker 4: so far out in seeds, and each conference would receive
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  Speaker 4: two lottery balls each, while the losers of the seven
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  Speaker 4: to eight playing game receive one.
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  Speaker 3: I can't keep reading it.
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  Speaker 4: I can't because here's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: I'm stupid. Okay, I'm stupid. I'm not smart.
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  Speaker 4: I have an IQ above room temperature, but I'm not smart.
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  Speaker 4: This is a multi billion dollar corp operation. Who's not
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  Speaker 4: even asking. Here's what they said, we have a tanking problem.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody agrees, So they said, how do we stop teams
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  Speaker 4: from trying to lose?
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  Speaker 2: Which is the wrong question.
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  Speaker 4: Your premise from the beginning is faulty, so you're never
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  Speaker 4: going to solve it. If your question is how do
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  Speaker 4: I stop teams from wanting to lose? The question you
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  Speaker 4: should be asking is how should I incentivize these teams
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  Speaker 4: to win?
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  Speaker 3: That's the point.
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  Speaker 4: The point is not trying to get teams to not lose.
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  Speaker 4: How do you incentivize them to win basketball games? Because
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  Speaker 4: all this does is incentivizes the teams in the middle
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  Speaker 4: even more to lose. So you're telling me, if I'm
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  Speaker 4: the Milwaukee Bucks, who was the eleventh seed in the
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  Speaker 4: East who just missed the playing game, well did just
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  Speaker 4: miss There were eleven wins out of it, but they
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  Speaker 4: were the next team down. All they're thinking to themselves is, well,
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  Speaker 4: if Washington now relegates themselves to not having a top pick,
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  Speaker 4: I have an even better shot of trying to get it.
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  Speaker 1: That's all this does. It's the exact opposite. Well, the question,
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  Speaker 1: how do you incentivize star players to play, especially those
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  Speaker 1: that are getting injured because the game in the season
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  Speaker 1: is so long? Do you guys hear Mark Cuban's idea
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  Speaker 1: and I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard this, so everybody wants to shorten the season.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Moser, can you explain why this season will not
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  Speaker 1: be shortened?
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  Speaker 2: Money money, money, money, money, because because number one, just
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  Speaker 2: having games at home and having fan bases come into
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  Speaker 2: your building is worth a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: TV's and TV's more and tell me.
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  Speaker 2: I said I didn't have a chance to get there.
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  Speaker 2: I started with the fan base and n TV and
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  Speaker 2: TVs T.
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  Speaker 3: Shirts and jerseys, and then TV and then.
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  Speaker 2: The television contract, and then the ultimate is the television contract.
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  Speaker 2: More game mean more opportunity to sell to advertisers and
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  Speaker 2: more money comes in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, at the end of the day, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to cut out games and cut out revenue,
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  Speaker 1: then you have to turn to the players and say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: will you cut out salaries.
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  Speaker 3: Not in a million years will they agree to that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So get that off the table. Cuban had
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  Speaker 1: a great idea. Games are too long. Forty eight minutes. Na,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to forty. Now, let's go to forty.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: No, why doesn't fix anything?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Does baseball shortened their games by a full half hour
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: on average per game?
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: How much more talking about?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: No?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: No, but see, minutes on a basketball court are different
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: than time on a baseball diam and minutes on a
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: basketball court. You're talking about injury opportunity. If you lessen
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to get injured by taking ten minutes or
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: eight minutes off each game, count them up. What's eight
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: times eighty two?
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: How does it fix tanking?
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not talking about tanking right now. I'm talking
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: about fixing the game. This's a different argument. I'm talking
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: about things that I would do before I ad dress tanking.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That's something I would do. Two things I would do
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: before dressing, tanking, length of the game, and flopping those
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in no particular order, maybe flopping first. Then the tanking.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Tanking is not even on my top five, to be honest.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: With you, that'll be six hundred and fifty six minutes
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: per season less.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Wait, I'm telling you right now, that's I love that idea.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: When you watch the Olympics and FILA, those games were fast.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: The fact an NBA game is long. I mean, it
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: takes a long time. You're down by nineteen, doesn't matter.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You can get back in that game. They're long. Take
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: eight minutes off the game, and I think you'll improve
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the product. I really agree with that. That's number one.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Number two. All of that that think tank that went
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: into the anti tanking policy, take that same think tank
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and apply to flopping, and then we got something. You
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: have to fix the product on the floor, because the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: product on the floor. Right now, I just retweeted another
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: thing and check it out of uh Shay Gildess. Alexander
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: last night he gets tripped. It was an obvious trip
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: they didn't call, but the histrionics after the trip, he
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: did one of those things where he like flipped around
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: on the floor seven times. It was like a seventies
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: movie when you fall out of a you know, moving
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: car and you keep wrote it was like, okay, calm down, dude,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Well what.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Was the what was so you had? You had breaking
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: and then he had breaking two?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah he break that. But but breaking two, what
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: was the electric electric boogloo? So breaking three? Yeah, Shae
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: hurts knee.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: My call on that would be this. My call on
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that would be this. Yes, yes, you did get fouled,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but the theater of the absurd that followed the foul
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: for you to try to get the foul negates the foul,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: and now you have a foul.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: That's what I would do.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So not only you not get the foul call, you
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: now get a foul asis to you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't disagree with anything that you're saying. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: would like to yell at the NBA for the stupid
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: tanking policy more I just look.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: But your alternative, breadth, though, is even dumber.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Which is what I don't have an alternative, he says,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: do nothing.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, No, his no, not do nothing. His yeah,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: his alternative is just go back to the worst team
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: gets the best pick. Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I think then that will only increase everybody.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Tank this anti tanking rule that they just put in,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and I know it took you a while to go
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: through it, and I still don't understand it all. But
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: what it's gonna do ultimately is ruin the playing the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: whole plane, which I thought was a great idea.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Which which in translation is they're gonna create more teams
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: trying to tank.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: That well, you're gonna but you can't taking you you
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: can tank, but you can't take.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: One want to play in the plane. The plane will
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: be obsolete.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Because they because playing teams know they have no shot,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and they rather take the shot at getting a top
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: three pick in the as opposed to get your ass
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: kicked in the first round of the postseason in a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: sweep for five games.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: So I think, what you do, it's got to be
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: something like this. It has to be you have to
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: bank out certain spots, you have to and you have
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: to create a reason for these teams to continue to
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: compete at a high level. We saw all the numbers
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: at the end of the season, all those teams that
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: were in those bottom three of each conference, they had
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: like eight nine game losing streaks with a couple of
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: days left in the regular season. All of them because
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: they sat everybody down. And what they're saying is, well,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: if you're too bad for too long, then you aren't
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: going to get a top pick. Let's go to another sport.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: What other sport in this great country, major sport does
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: the same thing. They do not allow you to have
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a top pick Baseball, right, the Rockies last year were
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: officially in that relegation zone. You are not allowed a
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: top pick you've had it too many years consecutively. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: then what happened.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: They still sucked.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: They had their worst season in franchise history.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't matter because if teams are bad, they're
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: just bad.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And if teams want to lose, they're gonna lose.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, in a perfect world, if we don't live in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: a perfect world, but a perfect world, I think US
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: sports leagues would adopt the European relegation model. It would
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: never work here. And we can go on and on
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: about why it would never ever work here in pro sports,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and I can give you, I could list twenty reasons why.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But at the heart and soul of it, it is
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the from a meritocracy stamp.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is the best model out there.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It is that you feel, oh my god, if we
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: don't oh my god, if we don't win, we're we
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: gotta go down to that league. It is the best.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: In fact, that should be the model for college sports.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: It should be so college football.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Just one more time to go through this, just for
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a second. Do you think this model is better than mine,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: which is worst team picks first? The thing that they
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: have just proposed most, is that better than worst team
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: picks first?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: One more time?
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Is this proposal from the NBA the lottery says, there's
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: new lottery.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: It's better than worse team picks first?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Can I be totally I've read it, I've heard you read.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Holy So I feel like a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: two year old. So I guess.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Here, here's what I don't get.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: You can say that teams can can actively tank for
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: the worst pick, and other sports have done this, And yes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: the NFL is different because it's only seventeen games and
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: it's not eighty two and all that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I understand that part.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: But if the.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Point of this is teams tank because they aren't good,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: they don't tank if they are good. If you get
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: good players, you don't tank anymore. If the Washington Wizards
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: had the first pick. Like, here's a problem. This is
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: how I see a big problem. The Dallas Mavericks has
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: been a really good basketball team over the last couple
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: of decades. Right, how often have the Dallas Mavericks sucked
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: at basketball?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Not often? They had the Dirk years, they went straight
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: to Luca.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: They were in the NBA finals or Western Conference Finals,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: NBA finals.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Just a couple of years ago.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Then happen, and then they traded Luca, right, and then
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: who got the first pick? The team that's been good forever?
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Who got Cooper Flag? Generational type player, the team that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: been good forever? Is that what you want? So Washington Wizards,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: who have sucked for two decades now don't get Cooper Flag,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: and the team that's been good for two decades gets
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Cooper Flag.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It's makes It's very much how San Antonio got.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Lucky sant Ant.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: They've been good forever, they sucked for one year, Oh,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: lottery time, they get the best player we've seen in years?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: How are you telling me that's better than what I'm
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: saying that the Wizards get Victor Womenyama.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I did what you're saying? You know, the the whole
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: relegation thing. It seems correct.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: But English, let's talk about English.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Soccer, European soccer. Just talk about Europeans. That wrote last
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: twenty seconds. Sure you go on, this is would the
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: league be better if Victor Wmenyama got picked by the
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Wizards and not the Spurs?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by would the league be better?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Team rising back up? That's what That's what I mean. Like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: that's the point of getting the number one overall pick.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: We suck.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Let's but here, here's here's what a lot of the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the criticism of that is, well, the Wizards are a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: bad franchise. They foil everything, they'll learn to foil women Yama.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Then some teams are just bad, like the Browns have
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: sucked forever. Okay, that's just some teams. But then you
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: get sometimes where team gets number one overall pick in
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the NFL and they draft an all time player, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: now that team doesn't suck anymore.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I don't like, I really don't understand it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: You can make the argument a lottery system is better
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: than that, because what the lottery has led to is
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: two players over the last just handful of years who
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: have the ability to turn a franchise around that have
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: gone to teams that have already been good.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: We've our system has been in place for so long
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that any sort of relegation would not be accepted. Number one,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But number two, the fans are used to what they're
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: used to, and they like what they like.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: If you're if you're to say.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: England, but let's talk about Europe. Brett.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: How many different leagues soccer leagues are there in the English?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: I have no idea football shouldn't even guess just the
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: English football system.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: A bunch. I have no idea.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Seven yeah, seven total leagues. Now it allows you to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: be the crappiast of the crap and work your way
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: all the way through. Eventually it does. I mean look
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at Wrexham when what's his face? What's the actor with
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the wife? Who's what's her face?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Rob mclenny, No, the other one, let's Ryan Renolds.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: That's a good description, by the way, the actor what's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: his face? And what's her face?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: The one that's so hey hey, I speak motion ees.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I always confuse her with the one that uh that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: married Johnny Depp and all that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Lamber I get the I get that. Actually I get those.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Confused sometimes because everybody's but everybody's with everybody whatever. But
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: when they bought Wrexham, how bad was Wrexham?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: It was non existent?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: It was correct, they had no money.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Correct. Well, Wrexham now is seventh in the second tier.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So basically they'd be the seventh best team in TRIAA
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: baseball the best way I can put it, Well, there's
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: seven different leagues that and fans still go to all
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: those games. I mean there's eight tiers ever.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Making my college argument for me, it's why you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and I argue with Caine on this all the time,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and Caine is one of these everybody deserves a shot
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying, no, they don't.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Well, relegation in college will be fine visually, No, that
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: would be great.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: But this is where read on the hand, they don't
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: deserve a shot if a team has earned their way
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: to it, that's different.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Well, two teams in the CFP did not earn crap.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: They got a shot based on oh, let's help these
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: little teams out and they got waxed. Okay, okay, so
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: those teams never belonged in that top twelve ever. Ever,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: would you agree, yes, Yeah, probably okay. Yeah, so they
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: got in there based on what based on well, let's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: give these no. No, here's what college sports should be.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: In college football, it's okay to win a national title
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: at a lower tier. Listen, CSU plays on the lower
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: tier than Alabama. Are we blind? Are we going to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: just say, oh, no, they don't they play?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: No, they do.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So if CSU got to compete for a different type
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of trophy, what fans wouldn't show up? But if still
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: CSU faithful, what's the big deal?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: But if CSU win, goes twelve and oh, they deserve
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: a right to compete for a championship in their tier. No,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I think if no left, No, they don't because they'll
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: get waxed. Here's the thing. You're you're probably right.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm right. I'm not probably no, you're probably no,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I'm right, you're probably right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: You don't know that. You don't know it. That's the
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: thing India. Look, man, if we had a time machine
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: here and I said Indiana's going to win the national
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: championship four years ago, you would have said they.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Stand no chance.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The way beat legit teams during the regular season. On
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the way, I think they built a resume right there
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: in front of your face.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Totally fair, That's totally fair.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: But in the case, all right, the model of this
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: goes all the way back to the UCF days from
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know how long it was, now, decade ago
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: whenever it was. UCF beat a couple legitimate teams in
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: that year, but most of their games were against what
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: people would call nonsense competition, and that's what eliminated them
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: from discussion.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I thought that was stupid because.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Then they go on in the bowl game and they
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: beat Auburn, who was a play away from making the
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: college football playoffs.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Well they didn't care.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's convenient.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Wyoming, And I love my folks in Wyoming. I love
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: my people at CSU, I love them people at see You.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: You can put them in all the same category, Wyoming,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: University of Miami Hurricanes. Are they the same? No, they're
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: playing for the same trophy, right, they're playing for Are
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: they the same?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: No?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: What a joke that we have them playing for the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: The Dodgers and the Guardians have two hundred million dollars
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: separating them in payroll. More than that, the Cleveland Guardians
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: still more world years ago Rah spikey year.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Don't be dumb.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I get it, is what I'm saying.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, because you are no but VIC in this argument,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: then nobody in the Big Twap should play for a title.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Nobody in the Big Twamp should be allowed to see it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: They shouldn't be the SEC in the Big U.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And that's why you have to pick fifty teams the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: fit and you're in your own league. And I'm sorry
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of those who you gotta be inclusionary.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Vic's a waste of time.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: If you can get if you can get those fifty
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: teams to agree to a relegation phase.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Well how they do it in Europe, Well, everybody agreed
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: They just are so So we just spent the last
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: ten minutes talking about how the European model is superior.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And now when I bring it up to use it here,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you guys are, oh, okay, Laomi deserves a shot.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, let me give you an example.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Auburn has a bad year, South Carolina has a bad year,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and they get relegated all of a sudden, South Carolina
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and Auburn they playing SEC schedules. That's a real problem
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: for all of them, because they're all for one on
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: one for all and that's but you'd have to get
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the conferences to agree to it. I listen, I don't
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: disagree with you, but you have to get them to agree,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and they won't. But if you could get them to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: do it, that would be the way they do it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: You're also speaking from a place of privilege because Notre
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Dame will always be included in these conversations.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I mean this from the bottom of heart.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: It's from the bottom of my heart.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait wait.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: The issue that would arise is the amount of teams
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: that would be left out of your fifty team super
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: conference deal would kill interest overall in college. For if
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: you are a huge CU buff fan and you're not
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: in the fifty, why the hell do I care if
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Georgia plays Alabama? What does that matter to me anymore? Sure,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: we aren't competing for the same thing, it's a different lead.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, are people Exeter City? It seems to me
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: like every town with a stoplight in England has a
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: friggin' soccer team. This is insane. Someone really is insane.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: But I mean, are people at Wrexham City or not Rexham?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: But sorry, Exeter City or Peterborough Sports. Are they watching
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you know, when Arsenal and Man You go ahead, maybe
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they are, But are they watching Everton and Leeds?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Someone said on the Twitch that's an elitist take there
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: by Vic you can call it elitist. I call it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pragmatic because if you text or a Twitter, if you
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: think Wyoming and Miami are the same thing, you're blind.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they truly don't, but they're blind.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: This is also what's wrong with college football as it is.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh really, So they're not spending every day trying to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: change it. They're trying to change it because now we're
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: trying to alter it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: No, they're trying to change it because the elites of
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: college football are the the SEC and everybody else are like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: this is stupid, and it's like, well tough, tough.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I'm with the elites of college football.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Hey tough, you're not you don't. You're not good enough
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to be in this in this club, you're not. And
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and and if my team weren't good enough, and I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: mean this from the bottom of my heart, Okay, if
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: somebody said to me, Notre Dame, you're gonna go to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the IVY League. I'd still go to Notre Dame games.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'd still cheer vociferously.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: No chance, no way, there's there is no way.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: You're gonna get gassed up for a Notre Dame Harvard
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Conference game.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Get the hell out of here. You know that's not true.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: You know if they're playing for a different title, if
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: they're playing Georgia and the College Football Playoff and they're
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: playing Yale for the IVY League championship, you're gonna be
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: as juiced.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: That is a straight up don't go hard, just straight
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: up believe it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: You can believe whatever you want. I don't care what
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you believe. I'm telling you two things are not the same,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and we're we're fooling ourselves if we think they're the same.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: We're full of new Mexico is not the same as Michigan.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: It never will be. It's just not the same.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Well, when you men get back to this in a
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: bed three h three five, you're fooling yourself. You don't believe. Oh,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: by the way, I've got a new weapon on this program,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a weapon. I just realized it. If you two knuckleheads
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: are going back and forth and by the way you
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: you You are more rigid than a diamond and an
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: ice storm. When it comes to your takes, you will
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: fight them to the death, even though you sound stupid.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Which is this dumb one? The college football one and
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the NBA one? Those are both dumb. I why are
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you yelling at me?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Because life is a lot. See, life is a lot.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Life is a lot more nuanced than you give it
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: credit for. Now, listen, I believe in Aukham's razor a lot.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: But on some of these things, you gotta be a
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: little bit pliable. Yeah, and number two, number two, if
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: you two idiots are going back and forth and you're
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: both just stubborn as a big all I've got to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: do is start.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Singing and you and it's done. So I've got a
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: new weapon.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: But yeah, if me and Vick a going back and
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: forth on something and you start singing, me and Vick
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: will become the quickest teammates you've ever seen in yourself.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: We allow for classifications in high school sports, and everybody's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: fine with it, But by god, if you do it
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in college, at the end of the world is near.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: They have it in college.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: There's three different There's Juno's there's a there needs to
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: be more I'm saying that is. Look, that's that's a
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: different argument. But they do exist. They have different classifications. Now, helly,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: there's even FBS and f c s or what do
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: they call it?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Would just stow it?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stifled, Edith.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, did you guys hear we were
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: just talking about the the NBA and changes that they're
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: gonna make and all this stuff. Did you guys see
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: the back and forth between the MLB p A and
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: the MLB about potential salary cap stuff?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: We have all summer to talk about this, but yes,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: we sense a workstoppage.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yep, to hear about this time, Vick.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: You are so right.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: We are headed for a total loss of the season.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: So here's what's what's really happening.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: The MLBPA, the players Association obviously does not want a
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: hard cap at the top. They're totally fine with the
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: hard cap at the bottom because that just means more
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: money's gonna had. So here's what they said. They proposed
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: a small market teams will be forced to spend at
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: least one hundred and fifty million dollars on their payroll,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: or they will be penalized just for Just to clarify,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: the Rockies payroll right now is one hundred and twenty
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: two so they would need to go up by twenty eight.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Million dollars to hit this threshold.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: TV money from larger markets will get redistributed across smaller
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: market teams. In stadium revenue sharing will be lowered, incentivizing
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: teams to draw bigger crowds and keep the profit. And
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: then smaller market teams will be forced to spend more aggressively.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: On their Major League team.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: So that's what they proposed, which is basically, we get
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: more money. The MLB countered with we'll set the salary
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: floor at one hundred and seventy one million dollars, which
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: is twenty one more than what they proposed.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: The top is going to be set at two hundred
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: and forty five. So for context, here this from DNVR Rockies.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: The Rockies payroll is one hundred and twenty two milion,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers is four hundred, So the Dodgers would need
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: to shed one and fifty five million dollars payroll in
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: what yeah shed it?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Hey? The Avalanche payroll VIC when they lost the season
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: and came back. What was the cap?
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Was it thirty nine million?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: The cap they shed and this is old NHL money,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: but they shed a about almost thirty million in salaries. Yeah,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Adam Foot gone. Peter imagine saying do we keep of
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: these four?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Who do we keep? Shachig Forstburg, Foot and Blake?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: What do we do? That's a hell of a thing
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to tell a GM.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That is tough. But if you want to save the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: sport from ruin overall.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: This must happen. And you are going to have a
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: lost season, and I think it would be the very
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: best thing to happen to Major League Baseball.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: So that's the proposal. In Vic's absolutely right. This is
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: going to be a workstoppage. My question is how long
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: is it going to be because that is not near
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: negotiation wise? What either side wants not near it?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Who do you think will be the detractors in this?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Are there teams that would detract I mean even the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: top tier teams? Are they going to vote against it?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Obviously?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: The players what are they gonna do? Because the players,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: if you limit the amount of money that's in the pool,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: what do the players think about that?
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Look, man, they just watched about three different guys this
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: past I don't know, two or three offseasons get paid
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: contracts of six and seven hundred million plus dollars. This
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: eliminates that immediately. You can't have those contracts. If they
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: set the or the hard cap of two hundred and
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: forty five.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I can't defer anymore. You can't do any of that
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff because it Listen, pro sports is not
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a free market. It isn't. It's incredibly unique in that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: regard because all markets are different. I mean somewhere similar,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: but there's nuanced difference. And then between the top and
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the bottom. But everybody needs everybody else to exist. I mean,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the the Dodgers, Red Sox, Mets, Yankees, and Blue Jays
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: can't have their own five team lead. Yeah, it's just
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: it's just it's it's the way it is.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Another college football. Oh, by the way, for you, it
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: has been. It's officially done. Thank god.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I think we can all agree on this. I hope.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Greg Sankee quote, that's the end of the cupcake weekend.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Know that the SEC the week before the final week
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: of the season would play Georgia Southern or something like
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: that before the rival week.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's done.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: They are now going to be forced to play nine
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: conference games like every other power conference in college football.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: So that has made a change, and I think that
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: is absolutely necessary.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Do you see Texas call out Texas Tech for their
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: cupcakes that they opened the season with?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Remember Texas Tech schedule last year?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yep? And what but what did Texas Tech say?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: So, we'll fight, we'll play Christian Yeah, you want to,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you want to get it on?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: We will get hey Brett. Yeah, they said this. You
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: want to dance? I want to Polka, Let's get it home.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I can't who did Texas Tech lose to in the CFP?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Why can't I remember the game? I remember watching it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: After the move the ball at Oscar girl, Oscar real quick.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna try and recollect it like the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: old fash ones.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Then you're gonna waste our time.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: They lost Oregon twenty.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah they were awful.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, awful.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Also, did you guys see the ad of Utah. This
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: is so funny when you compare this to the NFL.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: The AD of Utah sent a full statement out pissed
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: at the NCAA for this. I'm sorry, Arkansas ad not
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: not Utah's Arkansas he said. ESPN has set our game
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: for Utah for nine to fifteen Central Time on September twelfth.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: We anticipate returning to campus at approximately six am on
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Monday or on Sunday the thirteenth, followed by an eleven
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: am home kickoff against Georgia just six days later. The
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: assigned schedule will cost our student athletes nearly a full
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: day of restaurant cup and blah blah blah goes.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: On from there.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Think about that when NFL players are like, you're gonna
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: play the late night Sunday game, then you're gonna play
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: on Thursday.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Then you're gonna play like on Monday night after that,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Like you know, those times of the schedule have like
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: twelve days with three games between it.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And the NFL, it's like, oh, I know, there were
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a lot more one least day arrest the Denver.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Nuggets flying the Denver Nuggets.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: See the NHL has a twenty two hour rule, but man,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: they'll do things like that where you're like, man, we
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: got into town at four in the morning, and now
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: you know, now we got to play at seven thirty.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: It's just it's whatever.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I got one for you. Oh, by the way, Ty Lawson,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: former Denver nugget. I don't know where he went sideways
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: with Oklahoma City fans. He's been arguing with him or whatever,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: but it's hilarious. He came up with on Twitter. Four
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: things I'd rather do than be a Thunder fan. Number one,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: play hide and seek with Jeffrey Dahmer in an abandoned
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Chuck E cheese. Number two, be a Timu parachute tester.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Number three, stick my blank in a blender. Number four
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: lick a porta potty toilet seed at Coachella. He ends
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: up by saying, you all are some losers.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I love that. I know us what I know us.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I would just say this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I find the Oklahoma City Thunder and the way they
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: play basketball very distasteful. I would not do any of
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: those things rather than watch them play basketball in the
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: especially number three.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Number three sounds pretty bad. You know what I'm I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: might be able to handle.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Number one.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Number four is noah cup of tea.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: You give me a weapon.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Anything with blenders in that. I think I'm kind of out,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: just out. What if you worried about you got two
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: kids already? Yeah, that part's done.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're right, Hey, you get.
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