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The Late Debate | 13 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Holly Hughes and Louise Roberts. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The toymaker Mattel has launched an autistic Barbie dollar. I
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  Speaker 2: probably sure more accurately should say a Barbie doll that
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  Speaker 2: is meant to look like an autistic person. An inanimate
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  Speaker 2: object cannot be autistic, of course. Now they say it's
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  Speaker 2: in the name of representation, but could it actually just
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  Speaker 2: be about making money a corporation making money? Will discuss
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  Speaker 2: that soon. And former vice presidential candidate Tim Waltz, who
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  Speaker 2: last week announced he would be retiring from politics at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year. He's unveiled his plans for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of his term as governor of Minnesota and.
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  Speaker 1: There rather well. Odd will show you that later.
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  Speaker 2: And a teen refugee who was involved in killing another
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  Speaker 2: teenager in Melbourne has been allowed to stay in the
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  Speaker 2: country after the cancelation of his visa was overturned because
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  Speaker 2: it would leave him quote in perpetual uncertainty of his fate.
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  Speaker 2: Gee whiz, how many times do these things need to happen?
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  Speaker 2: But first to the strange case of Josh Cavalo, who
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  Speaker 2: was a soccer player. He used to play for Adelaide
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  Speaker 2: United in the A League here in Australia. He is
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  Speaker 2: now playing in a lower league over in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: And you may remember that he came.
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  Speaker 2: Out, that is, out of the closet as a gay
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  Speaker 2: man about four years ago, four or five years ago.
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  Speaker 2: It was towards the end of twenty twenty one, and
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  Speaker 2: he did that with the support of his team, Adelaide
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  Speaker 2: United at the time. This is a video that the
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  Speaker 2: team released when he came out.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that people would think of me differently when
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  Speaker 3: they found out, They would start treating me differently, they
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  Speaker 3: would start saying bad things about me or making fun
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  Speaker 3: out of me.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the case.
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  Speaker 3: If anything, you will earn more respect from people. Coming
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  Speaker 3: out to my loved ones, my peers, my friends, my teammates,
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  Speaker 3: my coach has been incredible. The response and support I
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  Speaker 3: have received is immense at starting to make me think
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  Speaker 3: that why have I been hiding this burden for so long?
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  Speaker 2: So that's what mister Cavallo said in a video put
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  Speaker 2: out by his club Adelaide United at the time, that
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  Speaker 2: he came out as gay. Fast forward to the start
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  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six and he says that he's no
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  Speaker 2: longer the case. He now says the reason that he
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  Speaker 2: left Adelaide United and he went over to play in
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  Speaker 2: England is because his club was homophobic. Now he did
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  Speaker 2: not play a game in the twenty twenty four twenty
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  Speaker 2: five season. He says that has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: his performance, it's because the club has a.
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  Speaker 1: Problem with homophobia.
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  Speaker 2: He put out a statement on social media overnight and
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  Speaker 2: he said, it's hard to swallow when I realized my
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  Speaker 2: own club was homophobic, I was angry because people I
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  Speaker 2: thought people thought sorry. I was sidelined based on injuries,
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  Speaker 2: when in reality it was internal homophobia.
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  Speaker 1: That kept me on the bench.
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  Speaker 2: He also wrote that no matter how hard he produced
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  Speaker 2: or improved, his contributions were continuously ignored, and again he
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  Speaker 2: puts this down to homophobia. He also alleged that he
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  Speaker 2: saw Rout chat with a number of his teammates making
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  Speaker 2: fun of a photograph of him and his partner, as
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  Speaker 2: though people have never made fun of photographs of people
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  Speaker 2: who are in straight relationships as well. Now we should
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  Speaker 2: note that the club denies all of this. They say
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  Speaker 2: that the decisions they make about who play on the
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  Speaker 2: pitch are made based on performance and who is the
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  Speaker 2: best person for the job. They say there is no
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  Speaker 2: homophobia involved whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: We probably should note though, because it is a big.
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  Speaker 2: Change of tune from when he came out had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of support in the sport and from his team
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 1: He's gone from playing in the A.
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  Speaker 2: League, which is sort of the top league here in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: to playing for Stamford in England and they are in
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  Speaker 2: the Southern League Premiere Division Central. I had to look
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  Speaker 2: that up because I don't know soccer terribly well, but
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  Speaker 2: they have a hierarchy of leagues in England. There are
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  Speaker 2: eleven different leagues and this is number seven on the list.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So no, he's not in the Premier League, that's number one.
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  Speaker 2: He's all the way down at division number seven.
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  Speaker 4: So I think even Wrexham was higher than that when
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  Speaker 4: Ryan Reynolds.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, so maybe the problem was that he was just
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  Speaker 2: an average soccer player as opposed to well, I was
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  Speaker 2: gay and therefore I didn't get to get on the pitch.
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  Speaker 4: It's certainly a big change of tune and his team
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  Speaker 4: Adelaide at the time came out very supportive of him,
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  Speaker 4: and the fact that there's a video made saying how
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  Speaker 4: wonderful and supportive everyone is. I mean when people I
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  Speaker 4: don't know people come out as straight, I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: don't seem to need to have that sort of reaction.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't feel like people seem to be clinging
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  Speaker 4: to this idea that we're still in the sort of
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  Speaker 4: eighties nineties where it was difficult for people to come out.
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  Speaker 4: There wasn't a really visible gay culture that was accepted.
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  Speaker 4: We've got brought gay marriage now. It's certainly a different
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  Speaker 4: world than it was thirty years ago, forty years ago.
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  Speaker 4: And I just I've read that story today and just thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe you just weren't that good mate. Like I just
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  Speaker 4: feel like it's an excuse and looking for a reason
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  Speaker 4: when perhaps maybe just his soccer prowess was not as
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  Speaker 4: good as his teammates. I mean, at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day, they're in there to win. If he was
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  Speaker 4: going to score the goals or you know, stop the
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  Speaker 4: goals or whatever his role on the pitch was, the
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  Speaker 4: managers of Adelaide would want that to go forward and
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  Speaker 4: be the best team to put forward. I just find
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  Speaker 4: this ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel the club is really sort of damned
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  Speaker 5: if they do, and danned if they don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they've actually come out very strongly, as you say, supporting him,
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  Speaker 5: and he's acknowledged that, and to now use that excuse
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  Speaker 5: against them to say that the club is homophobic and
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  Speaker 5: I don't really buy those examples. I don't really seen
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  Speaker 5: any clear evidence of the club being this way towards him,
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  Speaker 5: and of course they're rightly defended their position as well,
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  Speaker 5: but he's basically saying that the club culture publicly defends
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  Speaker 5: you if you're Gaber, privately makes life very difficult for you,
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  Speaker 5: which is a really serious allegation for a club may
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  Speaker 5: to tear other young players from either sort of revealing
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  Speaker 5: their sexuality or indeed playing for the club in the future.
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  Speaker 5: And now he's gone to what League seven in the
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  Speaker 5: UK and good luck to him there, but I do
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  Speaker 5: feel it to burn that bridge with an Australian club
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  Speaker 5: is really bad form.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's of course essentially what he's suggesting,
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  Speaker 2: that this is what he was worried would happen if
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  Speaker 2: he came out, and he reckons it came to fruition.
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  Speaker 2: But the point you make, Collie's interesting one about you know,
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  Speaker 2: is it that big of a deal to come out
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  Speaker 2: these days? And I feel like there's a tendency for
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  Speaker 2: some people, and it's not just gay people. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you buy into the victim mentality, you come out
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  Speaker 2: and say okay, there's something different about me, and then
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  Speaker 2: people buy and large today and rightly so say that's
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  Speaker 2: great mate, I'm happy for you, see, and then you
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  Speaker 2: can't be the victim anymore, right And it's difficult to
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  Speaker 2: come to terms with that when you say I'm different
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  Speaker 2: and everyone says, yeah, okay, next.
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  Speaker 4: But his tip, everyone is like, that's the point. Every
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  Speaker 4: single person is different and why we need some big
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  Speaker 4: pronouncement of all of these points of difference, you know,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's you know, pronouns. If you ever wanted to
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  Speaker 4: get a meeting with me as a senator and you
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  Speaker 4: had pronouns in your email, let me tell you that
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  Speaker 4: got a whole lot harder, because it's pointless. I just
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  Speaker 4: can't stand this stuff that everyone feels they need to
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  Speaker 4: make an announcement of everything that makes them unique and
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  Speaker 4: different as they enter the room. I don't care. Sorry,
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  Speaker 4: I just don't care.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's a good point. I think we'd have more
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  Speaker 5: respect for him if he said, you know what, my
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  Speaker 5: form is not what it was four years ago. You know,
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  Speaker 5: soccer players, it's quite a strenuous sport. It's competitive, it's brutal.
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  Speaker 5: So if he was actually to say, look, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: up to form and that's why I left, then we'd
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  Speaker 5: probably have more spect for him. But he's reconized since
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  Speaker 5: he's come out and not like normal for an athlete
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  Speaker 5: for the ability to decline, and everyone knows that he's
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  Speaker 5: watching the game.
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  Speaker 1: It would be fair to ask did he approach any
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  Speaker 1: other A League clubs in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's not like there are other
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  Speaker 2: places he's gone and played in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: He chose and he's also not the only footballer in
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  Speaker 4: the country, so you know, mate, you're not the lone ranger.
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  Speaker 5: No. And look, and speaking of respect, of course, we
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  Speaker 5: will go to Adelaide now where the Writers Week has
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  Speaker 5: now been canceled and what a tumultuous period that has been.
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  Speaker 5: So the first of all, board said it acted out
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  Speaker 5: of respect when Randa abdul Fatal was actually taken off
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  Speaker 5: the schedule, but what was what's actually happened is the
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  Speaker 5: fallout means that the director, Louise Adler's now quit, more
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  Speaker 5: than one hundred and eighty writers walked away as well,
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  Speaker 5: and the entire program has now collapsed. And of course
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  Speaker 5: Louise Adler is now framing herself as some kind of
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  Speaker 5: martyr for free speech, which is absolutely bizarre. Warning about
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  Speaker 5: I think she's talked about Moscow, Toran. Yes, crazy and
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  Speaker 5: even though you know, feasibly she helped create this crisis.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm just interested to know from you guys, was
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  Speaker 5: this censorship or just a catastrophic leadership failure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as we're talking about last night, I just can't
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  Speaker 2: get over all these people, the Jane Carrows and the
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  Speaker 2: Peter fitz Simon's and descinder Arduns and the one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and eighty of them who pulled out, who were standing
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  Speaker 2: by a woman who has put stuff on social media
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  Speaker 2: glorifying October seven a terrorist event, the biggest slaughter of
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  Speaker 2: Jews since the Holocaust. Like again, if they had said, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to speak simply because you're Palestinian. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that censorship that deserves some action. That deserves people to
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  Speaker 2: speak up and say, well, no, you wouldn't do that
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  Speaker 2: to someone say oh, just because you're Israeli you can't speak.
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  Speaker 1: It's because she has put.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff online that glorifies terrorism. If to censure that well
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  Speaker 2: considered censorship.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: It's on for young and old and we should just
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  Speaker 2: you know, remember when Jackie Muller went on, who was
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  Speaker 2: one of the first people convicted of a terror events
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  Speaker 2: in Australia I believe, went on Q and A on
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  Speaker 2: the ABC I've Got to Shake twenty fifteen and left
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  Speaker 2: you play. I think he was allowed to ask a
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  Speaker 2: question from the audience. There was a big color balloo
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  Speaker 2: at the time about it, and all these alleged free
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  Speaker 2: speech people.
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  Speaker 1: Were saying, well, you know, it cemsorship.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't let him ask a question just because
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  Speaker 2: you have the right to free speech, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: a private event or a broadcaster or anyone else needs
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  Speaker 2: to is compelled to give you a platform.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the mistake is they gave her a platform to
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  Speaker 4: start with, and then they took it away. So they
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  Speaker 4: the first whoever were the idiots that decided she was
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  Speaker 4: a good addition to the program. If they were on
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  Speaker 4: the board, I'm glad they've gone because clearly their judgment
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  Speaker 4: was significantly lacking. I think of these one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: eighty people that are writers, obviously they don't need to
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  Speaker 4: ounce how different they are because they're members of the
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  Speaker 4: group Think Group Club. But you know this woman, you
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  Speaker 4: know Randa abdel Fatad. Try not to remember her name,
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  Speaker 4: try not to think about her at all if I
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  Speaker 4: can help it. But because she actually basically claimed that
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  Speaker 4: the rapes on October seventh never occurred, that they wished,
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  Speaker 4: the Zionists wish that there were mass rapes because it
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  Speaker 4: would further their cause. And yet of these one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and eighty women writers, there's a number of women there
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  Speaker 4: who like to say that they are there for women's rights.
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  Speaker 4: They were out there championing the Me Too movement. They
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  Speaker 4: were there and white with Britney at the front of
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  Speaker 4: Parliament House. But now, because it may be the rapes
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  Speaker 4: of Israeli women that occurred on October seventh, that's okay
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  Speaker 4: to ignore that fact. And I quite frankly find these
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  Speaker 4: women and writers disgusting and what they're endorsing. And I
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  Speaker 4: don't think any language is strong enough. So how do
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  Speaker 4: you like that for free speech? Randa?
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  Speaker 1: And I had to say as well.
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  Speaker 2: The Southustralian Premiere Peter mallan Awskus, who was hammered about
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  Speaker 2: this and a few other things, including the Josh Cavaralos
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  Speaker 2: stuff today, I always got nothing to do with him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they give money to the pistol Well, I.
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  Speaker 4: Was going to ask, who's going to pay for this?
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  Speaker 4: Because all of the costs that are going to be
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  Speaker 4: incurred now for this writer's festival, at the promotion of it,
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  Speaker 4: the venues that were hired, all the security, catering, all
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  Speaker 4: of the food, all of the costs that go along
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  Speaker 4: with these sorts of events, Who's going to pay for it?
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  Speaker 4: The corporate sponsors are all going back. Maybe those writers
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  Speaker 4: can put their hand in their pocket. If that's what
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  Speaker 4: it's you would be correct. But why should the taxpayers
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  Speaker 4: of South Australia pay for it?
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  Speaker 2: I know, and he was hammered at a press conference
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  Speaker 2: today and he just outright said, look, if someone if
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  Speaker 2: a far right zion has walked into a mosque and
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  Speaker 2: shot up a bunch of Muslims, I'd be pretty comfortable
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  Speaker 2: in saying that perhaps we shouldn't have a far right
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  Speaker 2: zionist talking at the Adelaide writers.
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  Speaker 4: But what's good for one different on the other side, and.
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  Speaker 2: From what happened was the opposite in this case. And
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  Speaker 2: so I'm going to take exactly the same point of
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  Speaker 2: view as I would have if that happened, which is
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  Speaker 2: such a fair thing to say. But of course none
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  Speaker 2: of these.
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  Speaker 4: People can understand I want to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to deal with.
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  Speaker 4: Not at all. But Mattel has now brought out a
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  Speaker 4: Barbie doll that is supposed to demonstrate the features of
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  Speaker 4: an autistic child. Now many of you know I have
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  Speaker 4: a sum with autism, and I read this and yet
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  Speaker 4: again rolled my eyes and thought, here we go simplifying
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  Speaker 4: what autism actually is, and particularly the challenge is faced
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  Speaker 4: by people and family of the families of people with
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  Speaker 4: profound autism. Mattel has brought out a barbie that has
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  Speaker 4: a fidget spinner, It has a iPad, but it's actually
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  Speaker 4: an augmented communication tool, and has the barbie wearing headphones,
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  Speaker 4: which a lot of people with autism do use to
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  Speaker 4: block out sensory overwhelm and loud noises. None of that
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  Speaker 4: is particularly incorrect for a lot of people with autism.
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  Speaker 4: But it certainly doesn't symbolize autism in its totality and
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  Speaker 4: doesn't represent the spectrum of it. And I really do
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  Speaker 4: feel for a lot of families with kids with profound
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  Speaker 4: autism who see this and think, I just wish the
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  Speaker 4: only challenges I had to deal with I could solve
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  Speaker 4: by putting a pair of earphones on or having a
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  Speaker 4: fidget spinner. That is not the reality of it. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, when we talk about the NDIS, and we
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  Speaker 4: talk about that a lot of blowouts and the fact
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  Speaker 4: that there are so many kids on the INDIS now
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  Speaker 4: with autism spectrum disorder, and if fixing it was a
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  Speaker 4: pair of headphones and a fidget spinner, then we probably
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have the blowouts we have. It's a lot more
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  Speaker 4: complex than that. Look, having it visible is one thing,
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  Speaker 4: but I think having it simplified can actually cause more
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  Speaker 4: problems when it comes to the families having to deal
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  Speaker 4: with the real and genuine challenges. And again, I'll get
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  Speaker 4: got on fight night, I'll get in trouble here the
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  Speaker 4: people with autism in the sense that autism always was
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  Speaker 4: before the DSM five, Where now if you've got a
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  Speaker 4: slight global developmental delay in Australia, only you have autism
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  Speaker 4: because the NDAs exists and.
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  Speaker 2: They've given that it's sort of moveable hands and arms
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  Speaker 2: as well, so you know, to it's called stemming stimulation
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  Speaker 2: where people who stuff like this is to sort of
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  Speaker 2: like calm themselves down, I mean, for goodness sake. Look,
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  Speaker 2: the number one job of Mattel or any other corporation
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  Speaker 2: is to push products, right, and that's fine that they're
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  Speaker 2: in that business. If they think that producing a Barbie
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  Speaker 2: doll that looks like an autistic person is going to
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  Speaker 2: sell product, good for them.
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  Speaker 1: What annoys me is that they then.
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  Speaker 2: Wrap that up as oh, it's about representing Mormon but
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  Speaker 2: aren't we been good cities?
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  Speaker 5: I think exactly, it's all about sales. They really cared
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  Speaker 5: about children with autism, wouldn't they put money in investment
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  Speaker 5: into therapies and treatment and actually donate to charities or
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  Speaker 5: foundations who actually help families and children, rather than making
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  Speaker 5: a marketing campaign, which ultimately they want the social media buzz.
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  Speaker 5: They want the headlines. We're talking about it. They want
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  Speaker 5: the sales. That's what it's all about. But it's dressed up,
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  Speaker 5: you know, virtue.
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  Speaker 4: They also if they wanted to do that, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a great idea and give the money in the
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  Speaker 4: US to Autism Speaks and Autism Whenness, Australia and the
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  Speaker 4: really good pre eminent bodies. Instead, they use the Autism
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  Speaker 4: self Advocacy Network, which, for those of us that work
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  Speaker 4: in the space, look for people with profound autism. They'd
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  Speaker 4: love to be able to advocate for themselves, but unfortunately
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  Speaker 4: their autism is too much of a disability. There are
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  Speaker 4: people with very very high functioning autism used to be
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  Speaker 4: called aspergers that run a lot of these self advocacy networks,
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  Speaker 4: and of course the voices of those who can't advocate
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: for themselves are far too often drowned out. So you know,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I just feel like they're just missing the marquee again.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: They're the sort of people who think, are Barbie Doll
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: or sold every Well, yeah, yeah, and they've done it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I think they did a down syndrome one, and they've
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: done an amputee Barbie and they said, oh, because you
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: know the kids there, they're so upset that they can't
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: see your Barbie.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: The whole point of autism, it's an invisible disability, like
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: that's the whole point. The other thing that you know
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: that's been brought out now are lanyards that have got
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: the sunflowers on them to show invisible disability. Like I
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: had a staffer who was means yeah, so I had
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: a staffer who had autism and he had one and
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: it's actually to demonstrate an invisible disability. So it's really there.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: So you know a lot of our kids with autism
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: you couldn't tell to just look at them walking down
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the street, but if you kind of pay a bit
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: of close attention, you'll notice their behaviors are maybe a
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: little bit odd, or they're doing a few things weird
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: that don't sort of look like general normal ways that
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: people conduct themselves in public. And that's what the lanyard's
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: there for, to identify the invisible disability, because having a
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: kid with an invisible disability is really hard because you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: you've got to you've actually got to tell people that's
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: why they're doing what they're doing, as opposed to something
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: that's that's obviously physically visible to see.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Well, you've got a Barbie doll now, so problems all solvered,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: it would seem. And while we're talking about pushing product.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Target in the US is currently selling this jumper running
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: upcuates a month away tomorrow from Valentine's Day, selling this
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: jumper saying dump him. That is, yes, you should get
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: rid of your boyfriend if you are a woman. I
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: think we've got a photograph of this jumper here. Now,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I think this all started. Actually, the whole dump him
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: thing was, wasn't Britney Spears wore a shirt after she
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: broke up with Justin Timberlake that said dump him, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: then it sort of became a bit of a feminist
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: catch cry after that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I must have missed that one, and I love Britney.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Now, well there you go.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: You should shave her hit more often and you'll pay
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: more attention. But anyway, so they're now selling this shirt
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and a writer over in the US notice this and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: put a post up on social media and wrote a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: blog post about it just the other day.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Saying, you know, what is going on? I agree?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: What is going on when you've got companies basically marketing
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to predominantly young and i'm assuming single women.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Soon to be.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know everything is dispensable and the best thing
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: you can be is single and alone, and that if
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: you have a boyfriend, you should get rid of him
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: because he's just a drag on everything you want to do.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: He's not female empowerment. And that's how they're selling it clearly.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine if they had dump her
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: sweater in the men's department toxic masculine.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'll have I'll have you a T shirt made up.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: You know carotter usso got me a T shirt during
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: me Too that said wrong kind of woman. Yes, I'll
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: get you a dump. I mean, the.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Petitions would write themselves, really, wouldn't they if that happened.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: But you know, we're because it's to do with men,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: because we're you know, there's always this narrative that men
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: are toxic. Masculinity is toxic. Sorry Caleb, but that's that's.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: The narrative out there.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: So therefore we're supposed to just move on, have a
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: little laugh about it, and like not act that it's
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: an issue.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: But then we're going to spend millions of dollars putting
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: positive partnerships programs into school. And then, you know, it
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: was only last week we were talking about the declining
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: birth rate and why people aren't having babies. Well, let
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: me tell you it takes two of you to have
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: a baby, and if you keep dumping them, that's probably
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: not going to happen. And then we'll have all these
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: stories about women why there's a man drought and it's
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: so odd to find someone. So seriously, girls, please don't
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: buy that sweater. Don't wear that sweater and Target do better.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And I think it just it symbolizes so much of
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: what we've become as a society. Everything is thrown away
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: now nothing. I mean, you know, talk about things that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you go and buy Target. The thing probably lasts five
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: minutes and you'll have to dump it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Pretty targets Target's a better quality product.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what targets wish them, but this
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: is what we've become. Everything couldn't be thrown away. Your clothes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: your phone, everything your buys to be thrown away. And
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: so why would you not, Yeah, why would you not
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: apply that to the social part of your life and
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: your relationships as well. If it's just not working, the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: bagger it off doesn't matter.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: You know, what are we teaching young women about man
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: that they're the enemy. We're just reinforcing that crazy aurative,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: n't we So? And look sort of moving on to
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: something on a different note, of course, the PM today
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: is announce day National Day of Mourning for the Bondai
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: victims on January twenty two. What we do know so
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: far is that flags will be flown at half mast
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: on Commonwealth buildings and there'll be some small details to come.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Albaneze said this is the theme will be Light will Win,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: which is an interesting sort of spin on events, I guess.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: But look, I think most found is directly affected by this,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: and Australians will appreciate the recognition, of course it were
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: because the grief is real and profound, and they'll want
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: some sort of national acknowledgement. But I can't help feeling
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: a bit cynical about this. I think that perhaps the
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: broader community will feel why has it taken the for
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: you to care about us? Is it a bit tokenistic
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: to have this day? I don't know. I'm bit torn
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: on this one, to be honest. Where was the unity
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: before this?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's the point, isn't it?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Like if the next day he called a National day
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: of mourning makes sense, But we're nearly a month tomorrow.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: It was a month was the Colster's about to get
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: all the questions, right, I can go out digit the
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: responses take that long. I think with this Prime Minister,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I think he doesn't do anything unless the polls tell
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: him to do it, and it's a vote winning exercise,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and he is trying to regain some of his leadership,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: which I think he's lost. I think, you know, people
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: just see a week week pathetic man there now. But
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: you know that his backflip on the Royal Commission that
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: he was forced into. I know we've been saying on
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: this network. I was saying on this on this show
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: over the year that I felt that we would ultimately
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: get to a Royal commission, but it was this Prime
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Minister needed to rip the band aid off it and
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: do it sooner rather than later. Instead, he just kept
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: waiting and kept waiting and kept waiting and for the
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: him to then come out and say, oh, actually, I've
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: been thinking about it all along. I just wanted to
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: get the terms of reference right. Is rubbish. There wasn't
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: a person in the country that believed it. And of
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: course now he's come out with the National Day of Mourning.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, what does that even mean in reality? I mean,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: that's it. It's nothing but a gesture, but what is
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: hopefully more than a gesture is a support that we're
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: seeing being pulled out for Amy Scott, who was the
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: police officer at Bondai Junction who stopped at Joel Kuci
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: and really did save people's lives on that day, who's
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: of course herself now been diagnosed with a very very
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: rare form of breast cancer and Australians and particularly Sydneysiders
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: are really coming together to support her. And of course
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: we would wish Amy all the very best going forward
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: into the future and with her struggles there, but the
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: US blink and you would miss it. At the moment.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: It's a bit you don't know where to carry you
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: know where to keep up with Venezuela, whether it's a Rah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: whether it's Cuba, and of course it's all happening again today.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: We've now got, as per usual with the left wing
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: protest occurring across Washington, d C. But there seems to
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: be a bit of confusion or a bit of a
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: collision course of what the protesters are protesting, because we
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: have those that are out there protesting against the ice agents,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: and of course this flows on from the death of
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: a woman shot by one of the ice agents in Minnesota.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I want to say, but I could be wrong, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like Minnesota is the place at the moment
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: where everything's going a little pear shaped. But we've got
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Trump now also bringing in the opposition leader. He's endorsed
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: the opposition. The Murado's replacement is Darcy, who is replaced
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: but Mercado, who was the opposition leader of Venezuela, who
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: has fled now to Europe at awarded the Nobel Priest Prize.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: She is going to meet President Trump in the White House.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Off that's confusion for you, I can tell you that's
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Venicel whaler at the moment. And then of course you've
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: got Iran and Trump being very strong there on that
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: there is possible intervention in support of the protesters if
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: we see don't see the regime change. That is obviously
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: something that a lot of the Iranians would call for.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: But again, where is the West really supporting the Iranian
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: people when we saw today a protest outside the embassy
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Iranian embassy and of course you know, you don't see
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: any pro Palestinian protesters supporting the people of Iran because
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: it doesn't suit their narrative.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: For well, have a look at this.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: This is a converging of demonstrations, so separate demonstrations, one
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: about Iran and one about Palestine in.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Washington, DC.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: So there's two protests and they've kind of somehow meet
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: each other on the way through the streets and then
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: they're yelling.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Ones yelling free around.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: They're trying to out chant each other and.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: The others doing free Palestine. Surely the free Palestine people
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: should be because they won't be.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: They should be on the same page.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, if the idea is that free people from
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: these depressions, no oppressions.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But no, no.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: The trouble is, of course that Iran is a Muslim nation,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: so you know, they get a free pass.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: And see though whenever the spotlight he's on genuine oppression,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: which is what's happening in Iran. They always pull it
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: back to themselves and themselves, don't they wherever they are
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: in the world, that's there always their argument.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And Trump said, as we little any country that tries
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to do business with Iran, I think China does, India does.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: If you have brazili as well, there you go. He'll
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: slap an extra twenty five percent tariff on them and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the business about the opposition leader go to the White House,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: of course, because she got the Noble Peace.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Press everyone that I've just confused at home now between Darcy.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah Whateverrah.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But she she has tried to give her peace, share
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: it with Donald.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Well, Donald Trump said he's happy to accept it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, but but the Nobel Committee or whatever they've actually said.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: She can can't do it. You can't transfer own.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: She thought that might.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Do you think it has like a little writing at
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the bottom, you know, not non transferrable when you get
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: an invitation to a party that says non transferrable.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Very quickly before we get to the break you would
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: have seen today, Kevin Rudd is departing as our ambassador
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: to the US ten seconds each?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Are we going to mourn him?
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: So long? Farewell, it's time to say good night.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: I wrote a column six months ago saying he should resign,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: so I was quite happy with that news today.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think it's got nothing to do. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: think with Trump not liking him, Rudd's just decided.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to do the job anymore.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: We don't yet know why, but I don't think he's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: been pushed out. So keep your eye on that after
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the break, the extraordinary case of a Somali refugee came
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to this country.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: At six years old.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: At eighteen, was involved in the killing of another teenager.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: So we tried to deport him. But now the authority
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: say he can stay.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Why we'll tell you after this.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Now what an extraordinary story this is? Sorry, I said
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: before the break, I had to.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Call it a senior moment.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Can I do I qualify you do not have what? Okay,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I'll call it early on set dementia. Normally it happens
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: after nine pm, so it's happened a little earlier today.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I said he was Somalian and he came here at
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: six years old. He's actually Sudanese and he came at
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: four years old in two thousand and six. So anyway,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I got my wires crossed. But that's okay, we'll get
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: beyond that. But it is an extraordinary story. So this
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Sudanese refugee two thousand and six, four years old, moves
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to Australia with his mother. His father had been killed
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: by a dissidance in Ethiopia. He was born in a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: refugee camping Kenya. He eventually gets to Australia, and you
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: would think, you know, it's a great opportunity in life.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't get that. You had a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: pretty hard go of it. So I'm going to make
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the best of what i have. But at eighteen years old,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: him and a gang of other youths set upon another
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: eighteen year old and they bash him near to death.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: They leave him on the floor, and two hours later
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: this kid is dead. So he is convicted of manslaughter
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and he does some time in the clink. So the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: government quite rightly says, well, we will cancel your visa.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You're not a citizen, you don't belong here.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You will be deported.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So off he goes to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal remember them,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and says, look, I don't want to leave.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I think I should be able to stay.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And extraordinarily the administraive Administrative Appeals Tribunal, it is a mouthful,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: turns around and says, yes, you can stay.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: This decision was made interestingly by Anna Burke, who of
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: course is a former labor MP. She was the one
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: who sort of kicked off all of this decision ninety
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: nine stuff some time ago when she ruled that another
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Chap foreign Chap who was a pedophile and interfered with
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: his stepdaughter while his wife was giving birth, was allowed
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to stay in the country.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: That kicked off a lot of fast.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Then, but here she is again and according to the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: oz Today, in a decision published late last week, the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Art General Member Anna Burke, a former Labor MP as
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I said before, ruled that the man should have his
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: visa reinstated, citing the uncertainty over his future if the
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: visa remained canceled, the strength, nature and duration of his
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: ties to Australia and his full rehabilitation in prison. That
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: being despite the fact that the Immigration Department argued that
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he was assessed while he was in prison as being
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: at moderate risk of reoffending and.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: He was involved in violent altercations.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: While he was in prison, all right, and we're saying no, no,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you can stay in the country. So part of the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: problem apparently is because he's never actually been to Sudan,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: born in Kenya. If they send him, if they'd report him,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: do they send him to Sudan, Does he go to Nauru,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: does he go to some other country?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: What happens? I don't care.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: If you're not a citizen of this country and you
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: are involved in the killing of someone, surely we have
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the right to kick you out.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Ours deportation too harsh for someone who's been involved in
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: killing someone as well. And the message it sends is
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: if you committed violent crime in Australia and you're not
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: a citizen, don't worry. Long as you say that you're
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: rehabilitated and you've got community ties, you can stay here.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: We'll be happy to host you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: As long as you get a former labor member as
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: your art tribunal member here in the UK that seems
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: real to help. She'll be getting a lot of requests.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And yeah, they still open the floodgates.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I mean it just to me, as a nation,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: we have the right to say stays here. If this
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: person has said they've been here for fourteen should have.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: But if this person's been here all of this time,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: I've got questions why they're not citizens? Why are they
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: still on these sorts of visas, Because if the mother
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: was a genuine asylum seeker, father was killed, brought out
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: young children, why is it still going through some process
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: that they're not at a citizenship level or permanent resident.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And so because they can weaponize this loophole.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: But you've got all these questions there because you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: this just seems that there's a very little attachment to
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: the country. Really, it's just been sort of somewhere to
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: put up a house, you know, get a roof over
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: the head while they figure it out or whatever. It
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem like they've put down really deep roots in
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the country. And I think, what have you got to
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: do in this place before we will actually respond and
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: say you are not the type of person we want here.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: You are not welcome here. And you know you're right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: What do you talk about the message? It says you
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: have to send the message that if you behave this way,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: you will be gone. You know, we've got under sixteen
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: social media bands, so parents can say to their kids,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: look at the legal don't do that. You know, maybe
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: some of these parents that have come from overseas with
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: you children that have involved in youth gangs. Listen, you're
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: not a citizen. Here's a lesson for you. Pick up
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: your game and it's helping those parents, or you'll be deported.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're just.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Remember the chap in the in the UK who was
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: going to be deported back to Albania and he said
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: he couldn't go back because his son didn't like the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: taste of foreign chicken nuggets, and they let him stay.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Legitimate excep.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it just.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Makes listen, if the son's autistic and only eats chicken nuggets,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I'm actually going to give some preasions.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It just makes the mockery of the whole thing that
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you can be involved in killing another teenager. And we say, Nana,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: you you have the right to stay in this.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: It's too hard for you to be too.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: You can't have a values test. That's racist. But don't worry.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: We you know, kill someone and that's all good.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, Well to a story the UK now, of course,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: about a driver who blamed his electric car for killing
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: his five year old neighbor. And he's been cleared of
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: charges in court this week. But he was driving a
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Volkswagen ID four electric car, which he says he's behind
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: the wheel and it just jumped ahead and knocked down
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: this little boy and also injured the driver's own son,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: of a twelve year old son. I believe he had
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: so the police experts found that there was no mechanical
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: fault with the vehicle, and there argue was that he'd
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: hit the accelerator rather than the break, but he said
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: the card johnt of its own accord, and look, a
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: jury ultimately cleared him of any sort of wrongdoing and
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: causing death of this little boy. And of course he
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: was in court he was very happy to be cleared,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: and prayed and cried and everything else on that. But
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: I have to say, this, does you know, raises so
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: many questions about the safeties of evs, and we've spoken
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: about that on many occasions, of course, Caleb, but no
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: one seems to be answering the question as to why
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: a one year old car can move forward of its
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: own volition and kill a little boy and seriously injure
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: another one.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And I mean, this is not going to be the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: first case I see being run along these lines because
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: this chapter, because that was his allegation about the car,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: is that it moved of its own volition, right, And
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: apparently there were a number of other people after this
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: came to light, came out and made reports and complaints
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: to manufacturers about experiencing similar things.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So maybe this idea is not impossible.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: But as you said that the forensic investigators couldn't find
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: any evidence of a mechanical fault. He was saying that
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the driver of the chap was saying that he felt
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: like maybe a censor had been triggered or something by
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the kid and that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Was what caused the car to move.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: So the coppers went through all of those motions and
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: they couldn't get the car to recreate that. So as
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: far as they're concerned, it was driver error.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So it beats the question.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: With driverless cars and becoming more common, they're quite common
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: in the United States now. I mean you can get
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: in the things and it's like uber right, yeah, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: this will just become more common. Who actually takes responsibility
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: for what that vehicle does while it is on the road.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: If you own a driverless car and you're sitting in
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: that driverless car, are you responsible for the actions of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: that driverless car? I mean, at least here in Australia,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: if you kill someone on the road but you don't
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: mean to, you're not necessarily going to be convicted of
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: deliberately killing them. But there is death by dangerous driving
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and other offenses.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: There is a process by which you take.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Responsibility for something even if you didn't mean to.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Do it. Surely the same has to apply in these cases.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Well, it's extraordinary that you can get away with it
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: when he's saying it was like a software issue in
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: the car, and we all know with our phones or
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: our computers or something, there's software stuff goes all the
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: time and no one knows anything about it. But hopefully
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: it doesn't actually lead to the death of anybody.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: And this little boy can't be brushed onto the car.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I just don't.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I think it can just be ignored. And if it
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: is a problem with the car, there needs to be
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: a lot more analysis of what was going on. You
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: can't just say, oh, yeah, okay, you're not guilty. Was
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: the car? Now, let's all move along and let's have
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: subsidies for more evs because clearly they're safe. But you
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: know the argument about a censor too. You know, with
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: cars with senses now, they're more likely to stop suddenly
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: than they are to jump forward. Yes, So it just
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: all seems very very strange to me that there's been
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: no outcry to the car manufacturer, to anyone else driving
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: it of what these possible issues are. Because there's more
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: and more people are driving these vehicles. There's more and
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: more kids running around around them, and we don't want
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: to see a situation where, you know, and it's no
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: one's fault.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: If it's the point about the driver's vehicles. If you've
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: been in one, I've got I was in one in
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Los Angeles last year, and the whole time you're panicking.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's very nulty and very fun to see
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: the wheel spinning and there's no one there and everyone's
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: enjoying it. But the whole time you're worried about someone
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: stepping onto the curve. You can't appine the brain.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I just should be like you are.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: That's right, you're praying that nobody is going to actually
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: going to step onto the road because you can't actually
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: control the vehicle. So the novelty wears.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Or senses and stuff around it that if you want.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: To, that's when you book it. They'll be fine. But really,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I went a short distance around Hollywood, so I wouldn't
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: want to go for a long distance on that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: If you got pulled over for a random breath test,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: who do they breath test?
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Now, speaking of people that may or may not have
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: required a breath test at the Golden Globes last night,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: we saw the usual virtue signaling by actors and actresses
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: who do as I say, not as I do, and
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: like to parade their moral and their superiority crosses all
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: that we should all just be more like them. As
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: they donned the pins on their dresses to Mark it
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: was wonder Sykes, Jean Smart and of course Mark Ruffalo,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: everyday favorite of let's be left wing and tell everyone
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: about it. But they wore be Good pins, and this
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: was a nod to Renee Good, who was, as I
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: referred to earlier, the woman that was killed by the
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: ice agent after she attempted to run him over. But
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: they also were wearing general anti ice pins, so anti
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: immigration control pins. So we know where all of those
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: on the left stand when it comes to anything to
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: do with the Trump administration, anything to do with Western values.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: We know where they stand. But again, do as I say,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: not as I do. There may be no smoking regulations
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: all over the place. You're not allowed to have a
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: cigarette pretty much anywhere these days, except if your Sean
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: pen and I think we've got some vision of it here.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: You know, I actually love this God Yes, doesn't care.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: He's sitting next to Leo, who I think brought his
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: mother for a change. You know, he's gone from the
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: the very young girls to his mother. You know, clearly
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: kindergarten wasn't out that day. But you know, I love
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: that that Shaw's just gone. Bugger. I'm just gonna have
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: it about.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: It's salute to all the woke down that was drenching
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: the Golden globes, and we'll drench the Academy awalls next
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: month as well too. But as you say, it's you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: these are people who live in these gaated communities, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: immunize from the real world, and they feel, let's use
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: this to promote myself, Yeah, to show everyone how good
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: I am, because I mean, I reckon if you'd actually
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: pin them down and ask them to explain what happened
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: during that ice ray and while that woman died, none
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: of them could.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Actually, they won't be able to tell you what CNN
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: told them. But how it affects that anyone wants to know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: We had a joke last night about the shoot shag
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: or marry Yeah, all right, Bill Maher, you are my man.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: We have this fabulous clip. And if you've ever got
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: to love a lefty, you gotta love Bill Maher, Mark
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Ruffalo and some wander Syke's also wearing a b Good
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: pin for Renee Good obviously and trying to use this
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: platform for activism.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that's a fact every now.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Come on, we're just there for shore business today.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: You know, it was a terrible thing that happened, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: it shouldn't have happened, and if they didn't act like
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: such thugs, it wouldn't have had to happen.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: But I don't need to wear a pin about it.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I just love him. He's just getting better and better
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: with age and more on the money. Finally a lefty
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: who actually understands this is nothing that virtue signaling and
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: absolutely not the place for do it while they're all
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: walking around in their twenty thousand dollars tom Ford taxedos.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, for good, we're not here for election, kill
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: me now, and I mean we are, well, some of
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: them for them, maybe them, but you know, as they're
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: putting their pins on, should be imbibing in what Bill
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Maher does when he does his own podcast, and it
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: might make them more slightly more bearable.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you said before about having a breath test,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: probably more applicable to give him a nose swam. They
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: would have thought it from some of these events. But
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: he's now that it's just a piss up to celebrate television, right,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: That's all it is.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: We don't want to.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: We don't want political statement.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: What's your politics are?
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Award ceremonies are not mutually exclusive from that. Now, that's
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: what they've become, their platforms for politics.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I did like, though, on that note, the fact that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: His name is totally of these senior Mao, no.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: No, Ricky Gervais. I can't believe I forgot the name.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, who won an award yesterday at the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Golden Globe.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: They would have had heart attacks.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Last Netflix special comedy show?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Is that mortality?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And yeah, mortality? Correct?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And so he won a Golden Globe for that. And
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: there were digs at him from a number of the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: presenters last night because, of course, remember when he was
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: hosting whatever.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: The other one is.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: The Oscar Yeah that one coming from the senior here, Yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: I help you out.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm not I must say, I don't fall these
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: awards things terribly, but I do know. But when he
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: was hosting the Oscars for five years in or whatever,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: he made jokes constantly about shut up, sit down.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It's yours as you Shawn Pin lighten up a dart.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I just love that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: You know, we should have a bit more of that
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: attitude in the world. Shouldn't we speaking of a bit
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: more of that attitude in the world.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe the kids aren't so bad after all.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Because the IPA Institute of Public Affairs have done there
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and you're polling on Australia Day, and normally they just
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: asked the question about what the general feeling about Australia
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Day is amongst the public, and in the last few
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: years the support for Australia Day has been going up
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and up and up, so they thought this year they'd
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: ask some more diverse questions and they are specifically about
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: companies that let people work on Australia Day and cash
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: in the public holiday the day off on at another
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: time because they don't like Australia or couldn't support to
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Australia Day.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Could we can you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Believe it's seventy two percent of respondents between the age
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: of eighteen and twenty four said they disagreed with companies
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: allowing people to take the public holiday on another day,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and that was like.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: The highest group of support.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: It was overall half of people said they didn't agree
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: with it, but eighteen to twenty four year old seventy
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: two percent said they didn't agree with it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: The kids are waking up. Well, that's right, Patriotism is back.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Isn't it great that younger people can smell this stinking
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: corporate virtue signaling and they're turning off from it. Whereas
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: before they'd think all the young people, they're all woke.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Eighteen twenty four peak woke to them. Apparently, where my
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: son's in that age group, he's not woke, I can
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: tell you that much. But these right, thank you, these
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: companies are relying on young people just to keep peddling
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: this absolute rubbish that we want to change the date
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: for Australia Day, when Pole after Pole says that we don't.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: It's a national day, not a branding exercise. But nobody's
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: seen in the corporate world seems to get this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, honestly, hope for the kids, but I
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: always think they should ask the question, who arrived on
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: the twenty sixth of January in seventeen eighty eight and
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: overwhelmed by the number of people that will tell you
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: James Cook, but it was Arthur Film. So she's the
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: first fleet. So there's your history lesson for you, because
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: it's almost as bad as from the River to the Sea. Chance,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: but they don't know which river or which sea, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: they oppose Australia Day and most of these corporate you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: and the people that work for them and support all
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: of this anti Australia sentiment couldn't tell you who was
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: arriving on that day anyway, or what were actually celebrated
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: for example.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and look another example of only in Australian
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: health bureaucracy could you find something this shameless. So the
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: top doctor at Bankstown livecol Hospital is apparently not in charge.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: How we've got to the situation, who knows. But the
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: reason is so he doesn't get paid the loading so.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Twenty two bucks, yeah, that's right.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: So we're talking about twenty two thousand dollars or even
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: twenty two one hundred, we're talking about twenty two dollars
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: and eighty cents. So because he's not in charge, he
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: doesn't get that loading.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Not in charge.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: The hospital says this is a pay dispute that's going on.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: The hospital says that the person actually in charge is
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a computer. You get triaged by a computer and therefore
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that is in charge of the emergency department.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Doesn't look like just say Headley Thomas just got sick
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: to death out on the podcast on the Australian at
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: the moment about Jean Ptel, this hospital is just asking
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: for a Headly Thomas special.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Just pay the twenty do dollars.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Please thank in.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Charge, Please for our nurses and helpmaking.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: It's just should be after the break.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: What happens if you propose in public and it doesn't
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: go so well. You'll see in just a moment there
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: are many things you shouldn't.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Do in public. Maybe we should add marriage poles time.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: The man in Brisbane certainly learned that the hard way.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: He was on stage at a concert of a band,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: the Bootleg Rascals. I'm sure all of our viewers at
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: home know exactly who they are, hume along where. He
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: then announced that he asked his girlfriend to come up
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: on stage because apparently, four years ago, one of their
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: first dates, they'd gone to this band. They really liked them.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: And then he dropped to one knee. I think we've
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: got some vision of it. Have a look and see
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: if we can see it before I ruined the ending. Anyway,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if that's a Scooby Doo coming to
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Hugging Master.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: But I have been going to the rest.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: He needs a little bit more than Scooby.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, God, shag it work with any shades.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: He's shaggy after that?
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Do you think it is legit?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: And the social media after because of whatever Bootleg Rascal's
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: new song is, apparently they think it might be something
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: with it. But yeah, you know, I hope he got
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: paid a lot because that's some significant personal humiliation there.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't just no, honey, I'm not ready. It's
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: went around no no, no, no, no, no no. Well,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I think it was a pretty clear if that's if.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: That's real, that is pretty embarrassing. But maybe he should
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: just go and talk to Tim Waltz, of course, the
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: governor of Minnesota. He told us last week that he
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: was not going to be running for governor again at
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the end of the year, so he has decided to
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: set out his agenda for the rest of his term.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: This is what he says he's going to be doing
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to all the Republicans in Minnesota expect for.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: The next eleven months for me to ride you like
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: you've never been readden Yeah, that's right.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think if you're a Republican,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: you'd probably get out of the state if that's what promising.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Imagine if a Republican said there's about a Democrat doesn't
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: even understand what the reference is. It's a bad mental
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: image I'm getting.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: You know, we need our Assistant Minister for Women, Rebecca
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Wright him he can marry and all the Republicans.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. See you