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Ep. 024 · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Meter podcast. This is the second
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  Speaker 1: installment or episode we're doing from the Texas Panhandle. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we're on the Yano Esticado or state planes and we're
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  Speaker 1: actually this place called Ransom Canyon. Now these steak plays
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  Speaker 1: is the weird things. It's just dead ass flat chunk
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  Speaker 1: of land that comprises like the western half of the
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  Speaker 1: Texas Panhandle. And I was reading earlier, I make it
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  Speaker 1: so curious about this place because it's just flat. I
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  Speaker 1: want to read what real quick when Coronado, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Conquisador, Well, Coronado came through here and wrote about this.
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  Speaker 1: He was the first European, first white guy passed through.
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  Speaker 1: He says, uh, I reached some planes so vast that
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  Speaker 1: I did not find their limit anywhere I went, although
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  Speaker 1: I traveled over them for more than three leagues, with
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  Speaker 1: no more landmarks than if we had been swallowed up
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  Speaker 1: by the sea. There was not a stone, nor a
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  Speaker 1: bit of rising ground, nor a tree nor a shrub
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  Speaker 1: there anything to go by. That's like, this place is flat.
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  Speaker 1: This makes my first wife look chesty. Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: a good one. This place is flat. But earlier I
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  Speaker 1: was reading it's that I don't know you guys might
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  Speaker 1: know this. It's pitched across this whole plane. It gains
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  Speaker 1: about two thousand feet of elevation ten ft per mile.
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  Speaker 1: It's pitched the southwest. No, the northwest corner is higher
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  Speaker 1: than the southeast corner. This whole plateau got cocked on
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  Speaker 1: its side a little bit. So the whole time you
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  Speaker 1: think it's everything's flat, you're on a you're at a
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  Speaker 1: cock eyed angle. You're on like something that Ronnie bab built.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of which we're joined speed Works, joined um by
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  Speaker 1: ron bain Um, very long term friend of mine. Uh well, well, uh,
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  Speaker 1: sorry about that. We're trying to we're getting close onto
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  Speaker 1: the holiday seasons. We're trying to make rum and egg
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  Speaker 1: nog and a bunch of crane meat. A bunch of
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  Speaker 1: crane meat just fell out of the freezer. Also by
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  Speaker 1: Janice who tell us who works on the Mediator TV
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  Speaker 1: show crew. And Mike Panasi Hernasi there you Italian born
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  Speaker 1: and raised in Maine. He's now a Texan PhD candidate
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  Speaker 1: studies coyotes, studying coyotes. Right, Yeah, he's killed killed one.
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  Speaker 1: So he killed one. Can I tell why he killed it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. He killed one just he was trying to
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  Speaker 1: tranquilize and he odeed it. It was in very poor conditions,
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  Speaker 1: so it was already made. And can I tell the
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  Speaker 1: thing he just revealed to us? Probably come on, tell
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  Speaker 1: us a little bit. It's out the thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about a few things, nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: your wife anything. What you were telling us about memory glands.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people would be interested. I think if
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to tell, and I'll tell unless you
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  Speaker 1: don't want me to tell. Well, I just gave my
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  Speaker 1: opinion that I think it's some dependon told something you did,
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  Speaker 1: so I read about it all right, son, he did
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  Speaker 1: something that's the most interesting thing that you will here
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  Speaker 1: all week, but he won't share it what mikel was
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  Speaker 1: born and raised in Maine. I was born in Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: moved to moved a couple of places, but raised in
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  Speaker 1: Maine when I moved to Maine when I was really young.
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  Speaker 1: Formative years in Maine. So pretty much you grew up
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  Speaker 1: Hunt Devision in Maine. Yeah, so, Mike, Uh, then you
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  Speaker 1: then you where'd you go? Graduated? Where'd you go to
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  Speaker 1: regular college? Graduated high school through May in Maine, went
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  Speaker 1: to Yukon. So I was there for four years, did
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  Speaker 1: some odd jobs and ends, did some field jobs here
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  Speaker 1: and there. Uh, went back to Connecticut to you know,
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  Speaker 1: earned cash. And then in the middle of each of them,
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  Speaker 1: what's your study in regular college? Uh, ecology and evolutionary
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  Speaker 1: biology at Yukon. Yeah, I took the biology track instead
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  Speaker 1: of the wildlife track. Yeah, and then came out to
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  Speaker 1: do a master's degree, did some field jobs, worked worked
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  Speaker 1: in the fields for five years. Um, then started my
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  Speaker 1: master's at Texas Tech. Finished it, decided to stay on it.
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  Speaker 1: That was on kind of genetics as well, but more
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  Speaker 1: of a lab based study looking at how well DNA
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  Speaker 1: sampled not invasively. Yeah, okay, So, um, there's kind of
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  Speaker 1: been a transition. You know, generally, when you do a
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  Speaker 1: genetic study, you kill the animal and take a tissue
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  Speaker 1: sample and then you analyze that. Well, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: can't kill an animal if it's an endangered species or uh,
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  Speaker 1: and really you know, people are less interested in killing
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  Speaker 1: animals if you don't have to. So there's been a
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  Speaker 1: transition to UM sampling not invasively, so hair samples where
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  Speaker 1: that you catch the animal, take you know, pull some
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  Speaker 1: hair int of it and let it go. You can
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  Speaker 1: also get DNA from their scat or their ship. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: So what happens is there, it's like you tissue from
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  Speaker 1: the abdominal it is so when the right right, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's the cells from the hope you know, from
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  Speaker 1: the from the animal that as the as the food
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  Speaker 1: passes through it, uh, it collects intestinal epithelial cells, is
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  Speaker 1: what they are. And it collects on the outside of
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  Speaker 1: this of the fecal sample. And so you pick up
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  Speaker 1: that fecal sample and you swab the outside and you
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  Speaker 1: get a mix of bacterial samples or bacterial bacterial DNA
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  Speaker 1: and then DNA from the animal, and so you will specialize. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you get that too. So what if you cannibalize the
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  Speaker 1: other kyle, would you be able to figure out what
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  Speaker 1: DNA was from the cow that got cannibalized or the
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  Speaker 1: cow that was taking the ship. That actually would be
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  Speaker 1: more challenging. But fortunately katies don't generally cannibalize each other. Now, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I found a coyote ship one time where
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  Speaker 1: he had shoot out an entire fond soof you actually,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that a lot teeth and hoofs for some
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  Speaker 1: well obviously for teeth. I mean, they don't get digestics. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now now you're trying to do the one ups and
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  Speaker 1: ship game. Oh, that's fine. And I found a bear
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  Speaker 1: one time that shot out of bear cloth. One up
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  Speaker 1: that see, so he's pruning his teeth, cleaning his teeth,
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  Speaker 1: and he saw it. That's not that's found robbing nest.
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  Speaker 1: Shot of Robbing's nest. So, Mike, and then you did
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  Speaker 1: that work and now you're doing work on kyote genetics
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  Speaker 1: as well, but completely different questions. So now landscape genetics,
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  Speaker 1: So looking at the relating this among coyotes um across
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  Speaker 1: a large geographic area. You know, everybody thinks every you know,
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  Speaker 1: coyotes are very adaptable. They can live in you know,
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  Speaker 1: almost any habitat, you know, from city to a desert
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  Speaker 1: to motley this to you know, swamp land almost and
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  Speaker 1: so is there any differentiation among these? Are just any
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  Speaker 1: coyote can they just as easily move from one habitat
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  Speaker 1: to another? And so my question is, you know, are
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  Speaker 1: they are they genetically differentiated based upon well, not only habitat,
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  Speaker 1: that's the main question, but is there anything else? You know, temperature,
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  Speaker 1: or and you know, most people would think all kyote
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  Speaker 1: is being such a generalist species. No, but there's been
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  Speaker 1: some recent work out of California that actually suggests that
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  Speaker 1: there is. And so I'm trying to kind of second
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  Speaker 1: that to see if it's just kind of an anomaly
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  Speaker 1: or if it can be verified. Again, like you were
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  Speaker 1: saying to me that if a Kyle leaves you know,
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  Speaker 1: also my calls the kyotes, which is proper, but I
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  Speaker 1: find that anyone who has killed them, well I killed,
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  Speaker 1: it's still killing one. Um. That's like, if a Kyle
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  Speaker 1: leaves the mountains, is he likely to just go settle
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  Speaker 1: into some mountains somewhere. Well, that's the that's the hypothesis
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  Speaker 1: based on the workout of California because the natal habitat
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  Speaker 1: biased dispersal hypothesis pretty original, right, Yeah, natal have that bias.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're you know, fuck you Rod, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we can started talking about the strip clubs, run away up,
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  Speaker 1: talk you We're not We're here. We're actually here to
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  Speaker 1: talk about coles. Were talking about cranes and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: tie this. I thought I was getting a little long
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  Speaker 1: into two. No, listen, I'm gonna do some wonderful. You
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  Speaker 1: don't believe how good of a host I am because
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  Speaker 1: lot taw I do this transition. Um, check it out,
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  Speaker 1: wait for it. That's great about those coyotes. And it
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  Speaker 1: just so happens that Mike that I met Mike through
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  Speaker 1: our other guests here today at our nett say hello,
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  Speaker 1: how do you at Ore? That's a biologist, you know
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  Speaker 1: Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. I met Mike through Ed, who met Mike,
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  Speaker 1: Mike's professor, and I here to hunt cranes. We're here
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  Speaker 1: to hunt cranes and um, and I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about cranes. And I know, like my friend Ed, this
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  Speaker 1: is getting are you back? Are you waking up? I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to get through the sofa. I'll try to do
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  Speaker 1: this in the most efficient way possible. Through my friendship
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  Speaker 1: with Ed, I was invited out to a crane hunt,
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  Speaker 1: a Sandhill crane hunt, and I until a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago, I didn't know you could even hunt cranes,
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  Speaker 1: like most people in America don't know you can hunt cranes.
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  Speaker 1: I put a thing up on Twitter I was going
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  Speaker 1: crane hunting. All I got was people saying, like, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think you could do that. What do you do
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  Speaker 1: with them? Can you eat them? Is it legal? One
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  Speaker 1: guy said, I know that Oklahoma sells crane hunting licenses,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't know you could actually hunt them, which
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  Speaker 1: is like a we trick that they must play on
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  Speaker 1: you in some states. And so we had to plan
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  Speaker 1: and do a crane on and um, we're down here now,
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  Speaker 1: and most people who see sand hill cranes see like
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  Speaker 1: a couple of Saint hill cranes. I remember the first
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  Speaker 1: time I ever saw sandhill crane was in Michigan Upper
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  Speaker 1: Peninsula and it was out in the field and we
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  Speaker 1: stopped and asked permission from a lady to see if
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  Speaker 1: we can walk back in her field to look at
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  Speaker 1: the cranes. Um, they're just not around, but here they're
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  Speaker 1: down here in massive numbers, five thousand ten. You might
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  Speaker 1: see in one or two. Yeah, yeah, I mean like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in a group. And they're so good that the the
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  Speaker 1: lingo the joke is like people called rear buying the sky.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking about a very unusual no yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: good eating it. Only eight states have a crane season.
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  Speaker 1: I used to live in Montana and you had to
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  Speaker 1: uh put into application and draw a tag to hunt
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  Speaker 1: a crane. It's crazy. Yeah, just like drawn the elk
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  Speaker 1: tech could apply for a crane tech. We get three day,
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  Speaker 1: three day for like two and well, let's see the
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  Speaker 1: middle of November to first week of February. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's the second Saturday of February, so it can go
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  Speaker 1: to the eighth generous season. Very generous and invited me
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  Speaker 1: down hunt craze and then he was kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to come out craze, but you also
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  Speaker 1: got to kind of understand it's not totally my deal.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm this ed speaking, I'm sort of the guests
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  Speaker 1: of these dudes. What are these dudes being Mike who
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  Speaker 1: do all the work and Mike pounds. I'm hesitant even
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  Speaker 1: say what town Rid because you're on the gold here
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  Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna get swamped. We are. We've started,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this area. I've noticed a huge difference in
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Yeah, I've been here for
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  Speaker 1: a little while because I did my masters and I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing finishing my PhD. And the first four years or so,
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  Speaker 1: very little competition. And when I say competition, I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about from other you know, just recreational hunters and and
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  Speaker 1: other outfitters. Three years ago or so, we started getting
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  Speaker 1: you know, bumping up against outfitters other outfitters. But no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I mean other meanings different, like you know, not just one,
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  Speaker 1: but several different um. And it's gotten progressively worse. So
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  Speaker 1: last year, after Thanksgiving, which for some reason it seems
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  Speaker 1: like people focus on geese or something before that, for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, mid late December till the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 1: the outfitters are just on the cranes. And so I'm
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  Speaker 1: not willing to pay money for one, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just out one out of principle, and two I can't
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  Speaker 1: afford it. Um. But they're just they're just always out there,
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  Speaker 1: especially where uh in this in the meadow area. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's fine, I'll say it out there. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to really quick, like checks out
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  Speaker 1: really quick explain. Cran crana is similar to goose hut
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  Speaker 1: in the field. I mean, you're out there, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to the feeld, you putting up decoys. The birds roost
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  Speaker 1: on water at night, but instead of floating on the water,
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  Speaker 1: they stay in the water shellow. They're wrong here. They
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  Speaker 1: have these shallow leg's called applies gets daylight out. All
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, the sky starts filling up with birds.
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  Speaker 1: You're out in the field on food. They're trying to
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  Speaker 1: hit crop land. You have decoys out, you pit blind,
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  Speaker 1: laying down, hiding whatever you do in layout blinds and
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  Speaker 1: they come in information if everything goes right in your
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  Speaker 1: bamy maham about three a day. And there way better
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  Speaker 1: than geese to eat table fair. It's a way better bird.
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  Speaker 1: And in your time here you've killed hundreds of them personally,
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  Speaker 1: I have, I mean I haven't. I had a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And how big is your stable of landowners you're allowed
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  Speaker 1: to hold on? I put a lot of work into it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he has a speel, but I don't want
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  Speaker 1: you to talk about it because people are gonna steal
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  Speaker 1: your tilt that it's you know, it's it's something that
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  Speaker 1: works at a very high success rate. You know, he's pulling.
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  Speaker 1: This is a door, classic banging on the door. He's pulling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very rarely sorry. He don't bring that door. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's too time consuming, it's not it's not efficient enough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a speel. He gives over the phone. He was.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm not on Facebook at all. He was run
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  Speaker 1: over success over it. I would say it's over ninety percent,
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  Speaker 1: but just to be conservative, and I'll say, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it helps that they don't like the crane. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: would have thought that people to like the cranes or well,
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  Speaker 1: let's say the landowners the farmers to farmers don't well,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm generalizing, and I hate to generalize. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: a good chunk of them don't care for the cranes.
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  Speaker 1: Another good chunk really like, you know, they they're still
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  Speaker 1: they consider themselves still a part of the land and
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  Speaker 1: hunting is very acceptable. So that certainly helps. So even
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  Speaker 1: if they love the cranes, they're okay to crane hunting
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  Speaker 1: because there's a you know, there's a sustainable population. We
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  Speaker 1: had a conversation we were out getting the permission. I
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  Speaker 1: was with you when you scored a permission and this
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  Speaker 1: was actually like started out started out the phone call,
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  Speaker 1: and that was I wanted to be to send a
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  Speaker 1: dairy queen. Right. Normally they don't want to do that,
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  Speaker 1: but that was cool that I got to meet him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, usually I don't want to waste your time. Yeah, personally,
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  Speaker 1: drives us around twelve miles and clearly he was busy too.
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  Speaker 1: They were fixing a combine and he took the time
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  Speaker 1: twelve miles to show us his fields and explain his
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  Speaker 1: property boundaries. Then at some point says, well, what said
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  Speaker 1: this for me? I said to him, what do you
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  Speaker 1: need to be in it for you? And he was
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  Speaker 1: so uncommitted to the idea of getting money that he
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  Speaker 1: did that was cool, talked himself out of it. He said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, God lets me be a farmer and
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  Speaker 1: I should share this lamb with people. We're just touching,
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  Speaker 1: and he said like basically said you have my home
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  Speaker 1: is yours. If you screw me, I will screw you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and he left. You know the way we
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  Speaker 1: would screw him. All you want to know is when
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be at that. When are you in my fields?
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  Speaker 1: That's it. If you ever go in my fields without
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  Speaker 1: telling me you're in my fields. And he's got a
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, all I gotta do is text him and
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  Speaker 1: be like hey, and I did. We went out there
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  Speaker 1: the next morning. I texted him when we were setting up.
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know we're setting up. You know. The
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  Speaker 1: last thing he said to us was when we left,
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  Speaker 1: you said, can I text you? He said, don't expect
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  Speaker 1: me to text back? Yea, but he did. You know
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  Speaker 1: what's funny. You know what's funny, he responded, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: should respond or not. And I remember him saying, we'll
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  Speaker 1: have a text friend. Yeah. Well, and I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: him to think, well, I'll respond, so now he's gotta
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  Speaker 1: because I don't like the text so I didn't. You know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I don't want to respond, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you got a boyfriend kind of nobody
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  Speaker 1: likes a texting conversation. So he responded. I told him
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  Speaker 1: how we did that morning. I said, we killed this man,
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  Speaker 1: and he responded, so it was day two, we killed eight.
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  Speaker 1: That a good day, I said, actually, But I texted
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  Speaker 1: him right before we started to pack up, which is
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: right before I got back to you guys, and I
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  Speaker 1: find out that you guys actually killed one more. So
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  Speaker 1: I killed him. I told him we killed seven. He
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  Speaker 1: texted back, well, it's better than six, which is cool,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and I was like, well, should
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  Speaker 1: I respond, you know, and I didn't. I didn't respond
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  Speaker 1: because you know, he said to me, don't expect a response,
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I'm not gonna respond.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's home right now checking. I tend to
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  Speaker 1: overthink things, which you guys probably know from the decoy
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  Speaker 1: set ups, right, and we don't know what to do,
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  Speaker 1: don't I don't think that, um Field. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you could really overthink it, because that just means you're
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  Speaker 1: getting I think like when you're overthinking waterfowl hoodie, you're
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  Speaker 1: probably thinking about if there's ten things in your head,
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  Speaker 1: nine of them don't matter, one of them does, but
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  Speaker 1: you don't know which one. So you gotta do all
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  Speaker 1: ten right, because how could you ever know which one
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: is the one that matters. Is it like that you
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: have a yellow hoodie on the hoods pokeingon a little bit?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Is it the wind? Yeah? Yeah? Whatever? Is it fresh dirt?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Is it that you got X shot and you should
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: be using Y shot? So first day we went out,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it was a very good day that day. But I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: want I want to I want to I want to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: get that by one top I s el because it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: really sets I think this kind of sets the scene
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: here a little bit. We killed a crane this will
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: kind of explained cranes we killed the crane's banded. First off,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: talk about how many Mike about how many crazy killed?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: How do you have bands out of So I've killed
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of crans myself, but I also enjoyed taking
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: people hunting, and I especially enjoyed taking people hunting who
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: haven't hunter before. So you can imagine I take a
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: lot of people hunting and it's not you know, I say, I.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: It's me and a couple of the guys that generally
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: take people, although I'm the one pushing to take newbies
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: because nobody else has the patients that I do. Um
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, again, if we didn't have generalizations, we would
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: never get anything. You just would be able to talk
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: about anything, and everything would be like a constant qualification.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: That's wrong. So so, uh, you know, a couple of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: my friends have uh a killboard and they keep track
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: of everything, everything they kill for the year. I don't
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: like that, no, but you know it does. There are
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: good points and bad points. But anyway to get to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the point, what do you think about that? Hmm? It's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: like Boone and Crockett, you know, not really into the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: fact that like dudes are always scoring their stuff all
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the time, and always talking about numbers this, numbers that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But when you look back across records of all those numbers,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: those are valuable information. I'm gonna tell you why I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: do it. What happens when you get your Sandiel crane
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: survey or your waterfowl survey from the Fish and Wilife Service.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You want to guess, Yeah, but those are so broad,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: but you know they're general. Yeah, But I mean, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: keep dragging numbers just so I know whether I'm within
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a My other day, I started making a list. That's right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I was with you. You told me how many species
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: of fowl, of game birds general hunted killed, and I said,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that too. And I had just that
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: day killed my first day in hill crazy forgot his
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: first crane. I couldn't put it up dirty dirty, It
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: felt dirty. It felt like we sat down and trying
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to make a list of every girlfriend you ever had
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: or something. But it's not that. So I started making
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a list, and I felt dirtier and dirtier and dirtier
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the more I wrote. Now, not a conquered board, though
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I mean I respect the things I killed. It's more
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of a experience board, not a conquerboard. Kill board. You
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: called it, Yeah, well they did that sounds real Pentagon.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Well come on, we're not going to use a cliche
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: kill Yeah, like you harvest. I'm not lying. I know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I know what killing is. It's killing it is. It is, Yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like why harvest to do? But the reason why I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like it is because it's more of a ratio thing
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: species to species, Like, oh man, we killed that many
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Widgeons this year compared to last year, versus Gadwall versus teal.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And that's what that's why I like. It's a relative
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a relative thing. I used to keep
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a hunt journal, so you did it too. I got Yeah,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I kept the hut journal, and I got lazy and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: quit doing it. And when I look back, I can't
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: believe I ever quit it. So why do you say
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it's you feel dirty calling it a killboard. A hunt
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: journals different because here's the thing. A hunt journal is
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a day by day deal. It's not like you making
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: this catalog this Noah's Ark collection, only the kills. Yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it's like that's like yeah, and has more heart. But
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to get away from what was
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I even talking about we're how many change? Okay, always crazy?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You see how many dead craze a pass through your
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: hands in your time here text with all the all
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: counting all the people that we take so basically over
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: our decoys, okay, whether it was me, your friends, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: we actually tallied this up last year, and so of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: course it's gonna be higher this year. It was one
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: thousand plus, all legal. Of course, let me say that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: all legalus, Well, you know, probably a thousand plus. No,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that's you and your uncud all that and over how
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: many years? Well, first, hold on how many years I've
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: been here? I've been in Lovick, So did having a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: lot of fun with my master's degree? Took some time,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of phone is the PhD. So since two
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: thousands to get into your tardiness on your degrees here, Michael,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: since two thousand six, so a few years. But I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: didn't hunt for the first two. But anyway, and all
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the friends that I've taken in we take a lot
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of people. Thousand birds. I've seen now two banded birds,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and so it's a big deal. And I actually I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was the one who killed the other one. So I've
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: got to the first one. The first one. Yeah, well
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: all right, so real quick and if you could as
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: quick because as as gnu as he banded a bird
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, explain what that means that those
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: is a bandoned bird, what it means to bandit? What
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a band it was? Like? What is a banded bird? Sure,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: so biologists for a variety of reasons banded waterfoil. Your
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: your colleague and friend brand bands WATERFOLI banded thousands of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ducks myself, but it did banned a few cranes. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the reasons to track their migratory patterns. You get information
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: about not only movements, migration, but also how old the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: animals are, you know a lot of ifornation, survivorship, all
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: those kinds of things. So when I was when I
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: banded some cranes in Oregon, it was part of a
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: net nest success study, and from my putting bands on
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: those animals, we would you know, if they were killed
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: in another part of the country, we'd know, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what their migratory pat Yeah. So, like the only way
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you're ever going to get any information is someone shoots
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: or finds the bird he found it. What's that No
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: one picks up road kill. So it's from Hume. You'd
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: be surprised how many people do museum. She did ask
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: what happened to it? And also I thought that was
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a naive question, But I didn't happen a naive question
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: because we could have found it. Yeah, it could have
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: been hit by winter and hit by a truck. But
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you get a lot of good demographic data once that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: band is returned in where it was from where it
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: was banded to words it's uh, it's found or killed
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, you get information about how old it is,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: all kinds of demographic information. So there's anything like real silled,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: well what do you guess? You guess, can't have a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: setting conversation. So there's anything like there's this thing that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a bolgy too called market recapture. We'll say you want
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to do it lake going to a lake and net
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: uh hundred bass out of the lake and you put
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a tag in each of those bass, and then a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: week later or and then then you on this tag.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It says like if you catch this bass called blank number,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and a week later ninety guys have called with bass,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you put a tag and you'd be like, wow, man,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: there aren't many bass in that lake. And the ones
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that are all get caught. Or you're going to tag
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a hunter bass in a lake and ten years ago
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: by and no one ever turns into tag, you'd be like, man,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of bass in that lake and the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: amount of people catching these there's not many people catching
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the bass, like you know, there's a hundred of them
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and whatever tournament. So with ducks, remember sometimes it's it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: surprisingly high the number of these bands get returned, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the percentage, yeah, I can't. I'd have to call brand,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: but I was. I was kind of surprised, like how many,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like how good people are about calling him? And there's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: some guys I don't want to day their names, but
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: some of our friends and friends of mine who have
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a thing where they won't call in their bands and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: these are hides so they have strings. Why well, because
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they feel that it's like, um, did it, did it? Did?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's their little secret that it's like it's unreported, so
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: therefore it's more there's than someone else's. And they have
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: because their guides, so they have just their call landards
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: or it's graped with bands that they brag about. The
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: big American jewelry type band is like it looks like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a wedding ring with a big, thick wedding ring with
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the biologists. These guys, well, I would almost like to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: get these guys names because they're huge numbskulls. When I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: started duck hunting in Michigan the first time, I huna,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: would you know, back in Twin Lake, I heard guys
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: say that if you call it in, you got to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: send it in. They thought that you had to give
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it up, and they thought it was such a neat
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: token that they were afraid to call it in. Like, no,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: if you do that, they're gonna take it because they
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: need But you've heard that years ago, Yes, years ago.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I was about to say that whoever the FEDS official
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: widelines ever, did a really good job at making it
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: h you know, such a trophy to call it in
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and figure it out. But maybe you know, I'd never
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: heard that that people actually think it keeping guys. So
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the only guys I know these guys are big snow
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: goose guys. And so they like to just you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you know, their eyes trying to find ways. And yeah,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get into you know, the reason.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say this. This bird had a
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: double band and the reason but we don't need induced
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the fact that this bird had a band. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: well I thought we did. You said a thousand crates
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of past new Mike's hands or you see the thousand die. Yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: we just got one. We just got the second one
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: this week with the band on it. They had what
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'd called a double band. So one band is the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: wedding ring band, the other band is a wedding band
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: being the metal band, typical metal band. The other band
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: is this big chunk of plastic on there with with
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: big number so that someone would be able to read
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that with a pair of binoculars or a spotting scope
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: would be able to pull that number off visually with
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: all having to kill the thing to get the information
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: from it. We call the eight hunter number. I mean,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like the craze barret. I mean he's still warm from
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the sand. He calls the eight hunter number on the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: band from the field that we shot at, and we
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: got the nicest girl in the whole world to take
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: care of us. I think it was Tammy, super nice Gale,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and she sounded hot and sarcastically because we were all
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: arguing who shot this bird, because we we went round
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: table around him, but you know the bird. I said, well, no,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: we put that one, and he goes, well, we know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I put that one in the grass. And then we
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: got We're on the phone with Tammy and I was
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: just being a smartass as usual, and I said, could
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: we get four certificates for this? She goes, as a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, we will allow up to four certificates
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: for a till a lot of guys getting fights over. Yeah,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: because like Mike said, it's a trophy. You know, they
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: couldn't have done that ten years or twenty years ago.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: They probably like no one. I have like a medicine box.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's like a medicine bag, but I put it keep
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: in the box. It's like just stuff I have, And
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I got a couple of waterfowl bands in there. It's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: just like, really, you think, like I said, they marketed it. Well,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: so we call up and she can't give us full information.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: But when you get a band and you call in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a band, what they'll event you do is I'll tell you,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: uh where it was banded, which they told us immediately
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: when it was banned, which they told us who based
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: who banded it. This is when you you'll eventually get
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: all this information like when was the bird banded? Um,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: where who made it? And how old was it when
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it was banded or at least certainly not a chick
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: versus a Yeah, not the true age. But so this
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: crane that we killed, the double bander, we called in
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and were immediately told that this crane was abandoned years
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: ago in Fairbanks, Alaska as an adult. We did not
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: learn that yet. The other one you had was what
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: eleven and once I got the certificate back, it was
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: banded as an adult. So it was several old years old,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you know, yes, it was twelve plus. It banned in
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Nebraska Flat River. Most game birds like it like takes
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: out like a like it takes out like a peasant.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: A three year old peasant is old. Yeah, it's old.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: When you get birds come out like most game birds.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Every year of the birds that that that fledg So
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of the birds that successfully leave the nest, well first
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: off about sets are destroyed. This is a very just
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like the Night of They don't help. They don't help
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: at all, you know, like roughly like let's say it's variable,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: but nest are destroyed. Of the birds that reach something
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like six months of age or something. Firs that leave
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the nest, maybe like seventy will be dead within the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: year of those ones that have lived seventy will be
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: dead next year. I mean this varies all through the thing,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but you wind up realizing that when you go hunting pheasants,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you're shooting a lot of birds that were born that year.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: You're shooting something that were born the year before. And
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: then it almost becomes rare downline, like when you shoot
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a big turkey a big spur. If you shoot a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: turkey the big long itch, plush, sharp spur, he's three.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: You can shoot a hell lot of turkeys and not
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: see that spur. Right, you know something that these things
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: are just oldest dirt. Yes, I felt like ship. We
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: found a whole that bird was. Do you know the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: oldest ones? You want to tell it? I found it too.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I looked it up. I found it too, just just
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: since we killed close one night. I guess so the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: oldest sandhill crane known on record, So that means at
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: least probably no, I uh it was, I think it was.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It was banded. Okay, that's what I saw. Thirty six
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: years seven months. That's how old Custer was banded in
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Wyoming in ninety three and founded the message six years
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: seven months. No wonder why it's so hard to hunt.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So this was a young bird. I mean it was
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a young bird. You shot with the yoke. They don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: like that's how how do they guys get before to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: start breeding? I'm a quick uh so some some birds
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: will breed their second year. Some don't breed until seven
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: years old. That's like, you know, talk about talk about
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a case selected species. Know a lot of people in
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: eat wild game eat their eyes talking about how wild
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: game eat tastes gaming and older animals get game, Like,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: remember the hell the word game means that that's the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: wholeder conversation. As an animal get it's older, it's muscles
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: are more exercise, which would with cattle. Yeah yeah, But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: what the point I'm gonna make is people who just
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: eat meat from stores and restaurants seldom are eating animals.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: They're never eating animals more than two years old unless
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they eat because then you know, you get Yeah. But
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they used to used to take seven years to run
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a dairy cow. They can run a dairy cole through
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: wayfaster that they milk the guts out of dairy cot
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of years. Now they're running through all her
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: cycles that fast, get all every drop of milk. They
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: would have gotten out of her in seven years. They
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: get out of her animal in three years. You don't
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: eat many old animals, chickens, those things are a few
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: months old when you're eating six months for a meat chicken.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And here you are we just tonight we're eating some
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: bird this old. I killed a beardle seventeen years old.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: One time. I felt bad about that because I wasn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was older than that at the time.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I wasn't held out, you know, I felt bad. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: don't know why. I just it just like it bothers
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: me a little bit. But at the same time, it's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: like you're also going, okay, there must not be a
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: huge amount of predation on them and a huge amount
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: of hunter mortality because they wouldn't be all living that long, right,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and one more point to make it, they're gonna be
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: done talking about it. And you guys talk about stuff
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: when when you look at why elk, like why elk
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: gets so hard to kill on public land whatever? Because
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I used to saying like, oh yeah, you got a
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: cow elk she's nine years old. She's spent nine years
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: watching hunters try to kill him, you know, and they
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: don't forget everything right, and so they have like this
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: herd has this sort of institutional knowledge. You got a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: bunch of cows. Lead cows are old and they've just
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: seen all this happen a bunch of times before, you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and they know, like they know a fake cow call
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and they know to go their direction. And now here
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you are trying to fool some birds with excellent eyesight,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and you've got some of these dudes flat around. They've
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: been doing this, they've been playing this game twenty years.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And you wonder, like why they keep flaring, why they
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: keep flaring? Is it because of this? It's because of that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It's like you got you got a dozen birds flying
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: across the sky. How many years of group experience or
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that dozen birds. It is very similar to catching a tarpon.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Tarpin lived fifty years sometimes and have been just seen
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: so many flies, so many lures, cruising those you know, flats,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: guy after guy after guy, and when you finally pull
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it off and make it all happen, it's a special thing.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And it kind of felt like that this week. You know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: we were. It took us four days to really kind
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: of dial in our program and figure out how to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: get it. It took us four days before we were
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: tricking cranes. We were killing cranes by sky blast pass you. Now,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: let's not I don't want to imply to that it
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: was a learning experience because some things went wrong the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: first couple of days, and it was more of a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: logistics and it wasn't. It was it was a strategy,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: your strategy to people try to film hunt and you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: know what, it worked. We went back to the basics
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of how I usually hunt. I was trying to I was,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you know, change, find the best cover and hide you
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: on the way home or at the pond when you
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: go out with just like another guy, you'll just grab
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a big tumble weed and haul down in the ball
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: anywhere and just sit there like no, yeah, no, nothing.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Just so we come out here. But we're like, well, no,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be eight people, big gass cameras, and the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: camera can't be down under a tumble of weeks, it's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: got to be and it's got a big lands and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of times you're looking at the sun and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: all the stuff. This isn't trying to criticize your crane
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: hood to building. So we eventually got to We did
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: fuler crane cameras because we're like learning how to hut cranes.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: We did ful of crate until the day because we're learning,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: like weather was an issue, but also just like how
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: are we gonna do this like filmed thing. It was
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a learning curve with uh incorporating the camera crew factor
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and the number of people in the interaction between number
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of people and camera because I've taken out well, I
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: guess seven was the most I've taken up. No, actually eight,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: so I've done eight people before once and we did
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: not limit. But you probably had him scattered around. He
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: didn't have. They were we have to have and actually
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was the last weekend of the season, and so they
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: were educated. Well you know, we really how we really
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: wanted up, what really wanted up helping is we got
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to do it dit roll. Yeah, like a dit roll
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: between two fields where they wanted to be yea, they
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: wanted to be there. We had to thick vegetation to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: hide it. But notice how you and I were just
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere and we were hidden.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: No nothing flared, but you were hitting him, were like
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a great it was covered that we gathered and put it,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: went out into the middle and put it on us.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And we could have done that and if we were
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: thirty yards over, we wouldn't been in bear stripped kind.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: We would have been the same. Yes, I believe killed,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: don't care. I'll be crazy killed. It can't be the same.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: So you think you could have gone on in the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: winter wheat field, No, whe It's the only difference that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: deep green, no early season naive birds. Yes, but you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: don't have much time with that. That's the only difference. Really. Well,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: your guests on the show, so I don't want to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: take your task too bad? Well, that's fine, do it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'll okay. Why were the birds spoken in the milo
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: field so bad? The first day? Her second day to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: be honest? First day to yeah, yeah, of course I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: want you to be honest. Uh. It was hard for
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: some of the new He used to stay down and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: stay covered when I so here's the problem, and it's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a very don't mention any name. I'm not doing people.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know. So here's there's there's not saying
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it shooters or camera, but there is there's a general
• 39:11
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• 39:16
  Speaker 1: That's bullshit. I don't think anybody thought that. Yes, people did, alright, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Kings dot Com. That's DraftKings dot com. Anyway. Even if
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you're wearing the camo, they feel, you know, you could
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: sit up a little bit and you can't. Like if
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you saw me and you were you yesterday, I didn't
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: pay attention as much today because I wasn't in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: field as long yesterday. You and I we were laying
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: flat on our back head on the ground, and that's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: what you need to do. You're laying on the bosom
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of the bosom of the earth. Yes, nobody was doing
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that except for me, and and you know ed did
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. He's he's down it a couple
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of times. But even he got so are you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: running through the decoys. Yeah, but he's a certain guy
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: gets daylaid out, big old group cranes, crat, that's the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: good guy, basically running through the field like a lunatic.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: That was I don't want to say who times at work,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you were just there. I was trying to cover all
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the bases, all the you know, okay, what happens if
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: this happened. I was trying to dig a second another
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: pit in case we had I don't I don't want
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to do pitts. And we abandoned pits and so, but
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: we committed their pets and so if you're sha to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: get off the pot, we committed to pitts. So I'm
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: gonna go all the way. And and yeah, that was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: my fault on that first group of cranees. I don't
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I'll admit it, but I'm confident. No, that's but the problem,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and the problem was it was not the bare dirt
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: or the tumbleweeds or anything. It was people not staying down.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: They were seeing our brand new cameo or even the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: old cameo. It does not look like the body. They're
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: seeing this stuff day in day out. They have that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: extra rod cell or cone cell. I don't remember my
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: basic biology. They can see, you know, exponentially more colors
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: than we could even imagine to see. That was the problem.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I promise you I will lay in them. I'll take you,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: honey me, and you will go tomorrow lay in the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: middle of the cotton fields with tumbleweeds. What do you
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: do for clothes? I'll wear, I'll go naked, I'll wear white,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: whatever you want hide, and I will hide enough that
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: they won't see through the tumbleweeds if they see anything.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Totally reject what you're saying. I think it could be true.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I think that they could see fabric definitely, And I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: think the fabric you might think like, oh, this fabric
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is And it might be that they're flying over and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they're like, what the hell is that you? Like? You
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: can see you through a window. But if I lay
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: a window down in the big field and you're flying over,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, that's a siwmissing window out in the field.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: You saw the bibs I had on the last two days,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: those shadow grass. The pattern was absolutely perfect for what
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: we were in. They were too damn bright. I needed
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to go roll around on the damn plia and get
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: muddied up. But I was, and I kept it the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: idea I kept pulling. I did reject that idea, but
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I kept pulling the native vegetation. What are you doing
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: it out there? And the ply on your back when
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you're I was wondering that myself. Stop No, But I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: mean that's a pattern that was perfect for the vegetation
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: we were in. But it was still too it was
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: way too, way too bright. I don't want to beat
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I gotta beat this up one part, I part. But
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: where where we were there was a big mud pit
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: hole player. It was nice to It was a ditch.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It was a pond of some sorry okay, anyway, I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: don't know what all right, So there was water in there, okay.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: And beyond that was a bunch of white old hay bales,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the plastic sheathing from hay bales all over the place.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Why didn't that bother the cranes? Because he's there, it's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: been there, and because those that those pieces of garbage.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: But if the other day, the first field, and we
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: had also just laid in white suits, but it was
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: ron What did that first field look like? It didn't
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: have all that ship laying around in there. I understand
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: that there was an old propane tank. There was a
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: bunch of the first time they look at that, So
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: we're we're looking at that field for days now, at
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: least days. He here's the decide. The white it's okay
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: because they're accustomed to it. But no, because look at this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: You gotta think about this. You already have anaiable. We
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: know for a fast day. Did he's eleven years old,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: he was tagged in Fairbanks, Alaska. He's made Okay, whatever
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it is, it has managed to stay alive for eleven years,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: flying from Fairbanks, Alaska to Texas and got tripped up
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: by a white plastic under ground. No, don't, don't. Don't
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: try to do that. Don't try to do the flipping
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a trivial bullshit with me. Okay, that's eleven years old.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: You tell me it can move from Fairbanks, Alaska to Texas,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: back and forth and do it eleven years and not
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: get killed, not run into something or whatever. But that's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: something bitch. Can't get a basic sense, a basic spatial
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: sense of what is where it is habitat? Sure? Can
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I think that if you had taken a propane tank
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: out to the first field we hunted in. How big
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: was that propan take standard? Yeah, okay, if you took
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: that out into the milo field we first hunted and
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: plopped it down there, I think the cranes would flare
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: from that pro pan take because they've been feeding in
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: this area and all of a sudden, that's not the
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: way it is. Also, these milo fields are very uniform.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: It's like strip a vegetation dirt, strip vegetation dirt, and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: these things are a quarter section, a half section, big
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: cater jack. It looks like someone dropped a couple of Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Way on day two, it looks like someone dropped a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: couple of bombs out here in this field. The weird
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Where did the exposed dirt end up on my pit?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It was on a berm immediately in front that was
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: covered in my ouse side. I think the bird stupid,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the burst up in the air. If you were hunting
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: jack rabbits, the burn would be a great idea kind
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: of what is on my phone next to this beer?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Now I'd be like, oh, yeah, he'll never see my
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: phone because my beers in the way. But when my
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: fingers up here, the bear doesn't matter. But it's not
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a beer. It's it's dirt in the middle of a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: dirt field. It's just piled mounds of dirt in a
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: uniform field. I see what you're thinking. If I took
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: a sheet of yellow line, if I took a sheet
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: of yellow line paper and then put a quarter on it,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, you see anything wrong with this yellow
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: piece of papers. Damn core about it. It's that I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: don't I want to tell you. Let me, let me,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: let's make one more point, move one more I want
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to make a point. So here's what this is going
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: to suggest strongly that you're wrong. There's no such thing
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: as proved. I'm not even go to the coundar. I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I will not count it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Go he's on the defense. Please do when the outfitters
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: go out, that can spend uh their entire working day
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: doing this, so basically this is their life. What they'll
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: do is they'll make three hundred of these stuffers that
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I have and spend more time than I do. What
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: they'll do for a blind in the middle of a
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: milo field, They'll take this ft long, four ft deep,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: four ft tall grasp build that morning with you know,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: because they break it down and put it in the truck.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: There's a trailer and put it up every morning, flip
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: open lid like you'd see a duck blind that you
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: make permanently, and the birds suck in because there's so
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: many decoys they do that. It's a new You're welcome,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate your go ahead and see. Okay, I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: thought so, I thought so. Next next to counter, then
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: you said you would you would know? Please? What do
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you have to say for that that? What I'm saying
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is the little berm that was eighteen inches high covered
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: in milo stocks that are also covering the rest of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the field did not flare. It was people in their fabric.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I promise you, okay, I have counter for you. If
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: we were the same way, exactly the same way we
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: were the first two days and we dropped out six
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: D crane decoys, do you think those birds would have
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: flared on us with both days? Day one? It was
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: not us flare them Day one, it was somebody had
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: hunted the field illegally did and I didn't know until
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the day that they were flaring on us. Then on
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: fabric or berms or whatever it was they were flaring
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: on us. If we had six hundred decoys out slaughtered them.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: That's a good question because there's there's competing variable. See
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: there's there's always more than one. Let's talk, sure, hold
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: on one of the quick thing. I just want to
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: drop in because we're on this old bird and it's
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: like Fairbanks, Alaska to Love Texas. Sounds like a talk
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: about that. We didn't say where it was. We didn't
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: on the field. It's right next to the Fisher game.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You know. We didn't talk about this today. Yeah, we
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: did a little quickie. You gave a little date on it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: That's where it was a banded We got that right. Okay.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I just said he went back and forth eleven times,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: very Banks, Alaska. Anyways, it sounds a far away, just
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: so everyone knows. It's three thousand, seven hundred and sixty
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: three miles. Yeah, he just a dumbass bird. You don't
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: know what's the what Okay? I got text back from
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: brand about bands and about percentages. Historically it was around
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and they have been reporting, but it's come up to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: around with the toll free number. And what I'm saying
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of the birds that they put a band down, they
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: get them back, they get them back now it's up
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to seventy percent because there's a website on the band
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and there's a toll free number. It varies a lot
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: by location. Alaska, it's still built fifty. Do you know
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: whatice That bird was so damn old. There's no website
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: on the band. That band like pre website. The metal
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: was actually started to hear your way some of the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: words on it. That's right, you know what, Yeah, that's
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that's an old band style. You know. I saw that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: clip and thought it was odd, and I didn't think
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it's because it was so long. Metal shop. Some guy
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: with the an villain of a coal f forging got
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: two birds band in a year back, so he killed
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: one of the damn So the decoys um in in
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: field hunting, you know, people use typically rags, which it
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: can be just like a piece of fabric for snows.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It used to work for already got wise to it. Yeah,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: if you just put white stuff white rags out of
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the field. Now we had to do an these things silo.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Then there was like silhouettes. We basically that's what we
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: used to when I was a kid to hunt candidate
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: us We try to you like cut out the silhouette
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: of a goose and put it on a stick and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: put it out of the field socks, which would be
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: like rag decoys. We tried to use it and use
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: silo socks, which is a silhouette head with a sock body.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Then people will have shells, which is basically like the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: top half of a bird. You just lay down, you'll
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: have free standing whole geese with legs. But Mike is
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: making what do you guys, what do you guys what
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: from about silo socks? I never thought, I never I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: wondered why they call him. We didn't put two and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: two together, so like boom, what is that? Oh yeah,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: same thing. Anyways, So Mike makes his old crane decoys.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: This is a whole interesting thing about birds and and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: uh Rodney can poo poo. This is being just a
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of horse pucky. But Mike skins his cranes and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: then explain the process. He reforms the cranes skin into
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: a decoy. Now not everyone, of course, I mean they
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: take you know all, when it's all said and told.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Each decoy takes just under an hour to do um
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: from dead bird to decoy, dead bird to decoy. Alright,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: tell the process how I do this. Okay, so uh,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it's not like an assembly line process, you know. I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: start with I'll cut a whole bunch of so each uh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: each decoy has a couple two by four blocks in it. Now,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is the best way to start
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: with skin of the bird, Okay, like falls out of
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the sky dead. Well, that's what I'm saying, though, because
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I don't start there. I prep I do some prep
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: work so that so I'll start, you know, ten decoys
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: or something. I'll prepare ten steel steaks that are going
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to be the neck or at least form the neck,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: cut the blocks, um, you know, gather the uh you
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: know size screws that I'm going to use, and you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: put it all like make a decoy making kid basically,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: then the season start. I deal. I do it before
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: the season. Didn't this year because I had an unexpected
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: issue with domestic beetles. But um so now let's start
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: in the field. Shoot a bird. To start, I only
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: use the biggest cranes. Um So, whether it's a greater
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: or lesser, I mean the um you know, you can
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: get a big lesser, but generally they're gonna be greaters.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: And so if it's in good shape, meaning you know
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: it's not all beat up from your shot, I skin
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: it um salted pretty well. Leave his own legs on,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I do. I leave its own legs. How far do
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: you skin the wing out? Uh? As far as you could,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: basically as far as you could until it's just where
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you can't go anymore. But you can still uh slip
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: some loppers in there to to cut through that bone.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: And so there's actually there's always a little bit of
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: meat tissue left there and then brain tissue because you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I uh, if you're gonna do a museum prep, you
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: would skin out the entire skull, but that would make
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: three times as long. So I just cut it as
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: close to the skull as possible and as close to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the wings as possible. Um, and I leave the head
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: so that neck I inverted, you know, so it's like
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: an inside out. It's called tube skinning or case skinning.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: All right, there you go. I didn't know that, So
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: you salt that I used salt. Your borax would probably
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: be more effective, but it's more expensive, and you know
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I do it on the cheap. You called I call
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: him magas well. Zombies I was offended in the nicest
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: possible way. No, I'm just kidding. So yeah, he he
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: reformed the things so skin it salted, and then generally
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the next day if it works, if you wait longer
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: than that, depending on the temperature a little bit, but
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the the next starts to harden and it's not as malleable,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and so ideally it's the next day. Then I, you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: nailed two six inch two by four black box together,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Staple that steel rod that I had cut, you know,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: maybe a probably a twenty four to twenty eight inch
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: steel rod stable to the top of those two by fours,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Shove it up the neck. Then I put some like
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: pillow stuffing, synthetic stuffing or I've actually he's caught and
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: that I've gathered in the field again when times were tough,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: this stuff on the side of the road, of course,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: So then you kinda and all that does you put
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: it on the side of the two by fours, and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: so all it does makes the decoy wider, and then
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: you kind of fold over the skin flaps and staple
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it to the edges of those two by fours. So
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter what, you know, if there's two
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: by four exposed at the bottom. Nothing sees the bottom,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: so he skinned over. Could I add one thing basically
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: in case someone's not getting what he's doing, he's basically
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: playing taxidermists. Yes, not cheapass text. Yeah, if you want
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: a text out of mass scale. You paid for these birds.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: You know how people might come on. There's a couple
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: of them that don't have foam coming out of their
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: mouth like they're vomiting. There might be a crawling out there.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: But in your defense, this morning when the fog lifted,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, spurts, there's some there's a birds in the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: field and like those are the stuffers he thought they
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: were because it was so thick a ship, like, oh,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that's where we put stuff up. Cranes land in the
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: decoys and I can't laugh about that. Crane land and
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: walking around. Cranes are all dead, they're just boring. Well,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: you guys, all right, let me go sit for a medic.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: You have a crane coming with a red cross on
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: its wing, with any that is like anybody there's a
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: megot you got magots coming out of your eye. But
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: you guys, but I want to here's what I want
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: to get to is uh, do I mean to finish
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: up with the crane making or decoy making or well,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I'm just worried about time because I want to get
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to I want to get to that basically. Yeah, but um,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Robert Abernathew, a friend of mine who's a was a biologists,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: did a lot of work with turkeys. He he makes
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: decoys similar process, but he just plucks a turkey that
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: buys a shitty turkey decoy and then glues the real
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: turkey's feathers under the turkey decoy. He made one of
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: these and he was saying that I can't remember what
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: did you ever be honest? Thirty one or he was
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: saying somewhere it was like he said, I think it
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: was thirty one. He said, thirty one turkeys, thirty one
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: male turkeys have laid their eyes on this decoy. I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: have killed all thirty one of them within some inches
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of the decoy. And he said, and we showed that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: decoite a number thirty two and killed it. Now, what
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: the You can't fathom what a bird looks like when
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: it when it sees. Remember a guy was talking about
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: these burden of jungle in the the iridescent color on
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: that bird, and they're trying to figure out like what
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: do these what do birds do when they see other birds?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: And he said it might be akin to what what
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that bird sees when he sees a member of his
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: species through the jungle, which just just seems like green
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and there's flitters of movie. He said, it might be
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: like what you see when you see a lightning bug.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, you don't know what that thing sees when
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: it sees it, you know. And there's something about the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: coloration and the iridescence in those feathers, says Abernathy, that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: like when he sees a turkey decoy, he's like, oh,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: that resembles a turkey decoy, But there's something about when
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: he sees those feathers. It's like, I'm not wondering what
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: that is. I know that that's what that is. And
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: it's some combination probably of shape, position, you're adescence. But
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: we can't just assume that, like when we look at
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: a camel pattern, be like, oh, blends right in. You
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: just don't really know what they're seeing. Yeah, how they judge,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: like how a bird in the air says, oh that's
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: my kind and how other times when the burn and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the air just goes, I'm coming in no matter what,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: or you think like that and thinks for an antelope
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: and he's coming. You know what I mean, you're shooting
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: at him. He's still coming because he's like God, it's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: like he screwed up. He's got in his head he
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: sees something. But I think that those decoys work. And
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like today the birds that approached those stuffers,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the maggots, zombies home stop like the looks of those decoys. Yeah,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: they work. They didn't like the I think they liked
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: that it was that much that we committed. Also committed
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: kind of flare from the decoys. I mean, some people
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: do well with silos well, but I think the silos
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: would get them close they can see them. But I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: don't even think they were seeing them today. The day
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: before they were coming in and flaring around them. That's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: why we kind of sat outside of them because the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: way they were flaring over then they gave us really
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: close past. Earlier, we had birds land in a spread
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: that included mag It's in silos, silos, silos. It is
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: typical actually to get birds landing in the decoys. That's
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: pretty common, you know, not that we're letting them go
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: to land. It's just sometimes they come from a direction
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: we different and everyone from the east today and you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: do it all of a sudden just well it was
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: once that went over. Yeah, then they washed them up,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: that's what. Oh and you're saying like an opening day,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: they like pile in. But at this point we're into
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: they've been getting shot at for a couple of months,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: so they might be getting a little bit. And it also,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: you know, there is you don't know what trip they're on.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Like we talked about this sort of institutional knowledge about
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: these birds that are alive so long you don't know
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: what happened to him an hour ago. Yeah, that's true,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: because do you call us a bird of eleven o'clock?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: He flayers for decoyst ten o'clock. You getting shot at
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: by some dude, you know what? You just don't know.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: It's like you don't know what kind of trip they're on,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: what they've been doing, what they've been seeing. Why do
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: you sometimes out freak out? Sometimes I would don't freak out.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Was a guy that a guy just shoot at him?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: And how much does it matter what that lead bird
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: does it to? Today? We had we're going to get
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: the trucks and a bunch of geese. Yeah, we had.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: We had a bunch of geese. Came over a fraction
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: a third of those geese, five or six on that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: edge you really wanted in. I split off started circling
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: like they were like, oh, let's go laying with those
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: other keys. And there was some geese going and you
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: can see this little group of geese going through this
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: like don't do we don't know anyway? It end they're
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: like ship They went joy up with the group because
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: their mom was up there. It was the edge birds
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: that wanted to the lead birds didn't, and they won
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: the argument. And they've proven that, dude, the older birds
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: really lead. Absolutely. I'm not sure you'll see. I have
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: a friend that shot the lead bird of a group
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: of like a hundred, and he said it was tough
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: as nails, suggesting it was it was an old, old bird.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: But I know I haven't read the literature with l
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I've seen where you'll have a calf you'll be like
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: putting the moves out of group of elt in a
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: caffle bust you and the castle jump and start, and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: no other elk cares because it's like a boy crime wolf.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, you know what he's doing, you know,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: And sometimes as if so much just picks up her ears.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: The whole herds like what you know, well, and if
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: you happen to shoot the lead cow. I experienced this.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: She must have been the lead cow because they all
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: just stood there. They didn't didn't know what to do.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: They found there's these guys studying these vervet monkeys and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: how they have like a little bit of language like that.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: They have a call for predator in the air, they
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: have a call for predator in the tree, they have
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: a call for predator on the ground. They recorded a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: monkey vocalizing a threat, and it started playing the recording
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: of the monkey vocalizing the threat to his troop all
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: the time. Eventually it got to be where if this
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: monkey vocalized the threat, the monkeys didn't care because they
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: burned him out with the recording. He lost his credibility. Yeah,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: he like people like, you know, eagle up there, dumbass
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: it every day. Oh then the eagles moved in. Yeah,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that's that's what good eagle was like, why did you
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: get the head of the stuff I want to talk about?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Can we keep going so I don't want to, I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: don't want no, I don't want to be too long.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Could I ask a question? Please? So back in what
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: was it, Mike? Maybe two thousand eight? I started hunting
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: with you. It was about two thousand and eight when
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I joined faculty at Texas Tech and we got to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: know each other and started hunting. I've never handed cranes
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: a day in my life, and we went out and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I thought this was the coolest thing I've ever experienced,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and I really have been coming back every year. I'm
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: just curious of Ronnie, and I just want to share
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: what you thought of the experience. I just I think
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: it's one of the funnest things I've ever done. I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: think it was fun. But I'm such I'm so addicted
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: in my dogs. I would rather be working. I would
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: rather be working with my dogs. It's not I know ed.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Ed was lucky to bring his dogs and got some retreats,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: which is every hunter likes that do that. But if
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I've got like so many hours a year I can
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: spend in the field, I'd rather spend it with my dogs.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: But I do a fair amount of crane or not
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: a fair amount of goose hunting. Tiny bit of duck hunting.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy that. I really enjoy it. But it's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: not like what you're saying. I came down here and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like it was just I'm a
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: social hunter. Steve knows me for a hum of years
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: if I wouldn't hunt if it wasn't for friends and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: a dog. So he said, you gotta go hunt through
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna McDonald's. I'm not gonna go hunt for my food.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: But I love hunting. I love being with my dogs
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: and my friends, and so it was a great trip
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: for that. But it wasn't like the end on Bill.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I I've been just as excited with Canada's coming in
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: or a duck coming through the trees. Just excited. Yeah,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I mean it was neat because it was a bird
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I never shot before. That was the neat part. We
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: learned a lot, oh yeah, about all kinds of stuff
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: now the whole time, I knew this is gonna be
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: kind of the cap on um my hunting season. In
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: a couple of days, I have to go get a
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: vast sect. To me, what ye and my wife's having
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: a baby in a couple of weeks. Because you didn't
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: get a a sect of me. I didn't get what
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I was gonna get it, and uh now I'm going
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: down Now, I'm definitely going down there. So I'm done
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: a hunt for the fall. And during this whole fall,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I was doing what I consider my spect my personal
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: special to be or what I like to do is
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I like to hunt in the big game in the mountains.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I like the backpack hunt. Um, And that could get
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: miserable and it could start to feel like just a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: tremendous amount of work. It's like a ton of work
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: before you kill something that it's really a lot of work.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: It's just like misery. And the whole time I was like, man,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: we go on that crane hunt, gonna be gravy, you know,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: But it's not. Man. Field hunt is hard, like three
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: thirty wake up. You're on the field hours before daylight,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: haul and gears. It's just like I'd saying, It's like,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like field hunters are just like some lazy dude.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: When it gets daylight, you gotta be dialed in, truck
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: parked half mile away, decoys out, everybody hid. It's like
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: an early Riser. They got that same kind of drive
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and desired you do to climb a mountain. Oh there,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: they're out there. Remember we're talking about the guy who
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to get out of like what I mean, pick
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: up a two in the morning, like too, I just
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: going there now. Not No, it's hard, it's like hard work.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: And I was out there and I was thinking, people
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: that get good at this, you know, are hard workers
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: like you gotta they're not hiking up a hill and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: just how much time we are and other times yeah,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, but I mean field, it's it's like a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: serious thing. It's a it's a it's a serious discipline.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I think you gotta stay on it. You have his
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: many things float into your head to hunt cranes. You
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: have as many bits of information coursing through your head
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: as you do up in the mountains. Maybe more. Yeah,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I mean there's more little things, more little factors are
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: are swirling through your head to hunt field up for crane.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I think than than at least right. It might be right,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: but you're probably right. And the fact that because he's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: gauging over like thousands or let's just say, hundreds of kills,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: you're gauging your own hunter after maybe too bear kills
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: or three elk kills so he's got all that other
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: days and it said, like what does that like? It
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: was this thing like exactly, so you're right. I think
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. There's even more stuff going on in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: that in his head trying to get these things set
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: up like wherever because no one shot a thousand elk
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: and then there's these days and just make every mistake possible.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. No, he was guide. That wasn't asking is
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: how many elk kills he was in like present for,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: and he thoughts upwards of a hundred, which is astronomical
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: seeming to me. I think he's live. It's just a lot.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of experience with an animal dollars. He
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: han't seen hundred house. You know, it's funny. Just a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: comment on that last statement made you sit there and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: take it your brand new hat, just like him throw
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: it out like calling your liar. All right, we gotta
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: wrap up the final thoughts, and I'm not gonna have
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: a final thought that I had. Really glad you guys
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  Speaker 1: came down and got to experience it. I do want
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  Speaker 1: to have a final thought. I had a phenomenal time.
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  Speaker 1: I learned so much. Final thoughts, Mike Cool you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to finish that thought. You know, even
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  Speaker 1: cranes will make mistakes, and it's not like you know,
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  Speaker 1: the individuals will. But I've had days when you shoot
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  Speaker 1: a limit and it was easy. They just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be in that field so bad. You're packing up decoys
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  Speaker 1: and they're still flocking in with you and you're like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: makes season is so I mean, crane Honey is so easy.
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  Speaker 1: Like this day it was like they were they're landing
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  Speaker 1: like almost on you when you're standing up. But what
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  Speaker 1: causes that? I don't know. Those days are three or four,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense. That's why I want to
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  Speaker 1: say people who like the Bowl because the weather is
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  Speaker 1: the same, the temperatures the same, the lanes to save
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  Speaker 1: the ball ways the same way to say they put
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  Speaker 1: them to say configuration. It's like, how can you not
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  Speaker 1: get to strike every time or at least eight every time?
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  Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you can get ted. Why can't you
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  Speaker 1: get ted all the time? Because nothing changes, at least
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  Speaker 1: with Honey every day is something new, something No, nothing changed.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I think if you took some real elite
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  Speaker 1: athletes and had them bowl, they'd get ten every time.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm from Chicago. We both You're right, that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff keeps you out there. And one last thing,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: tell these guys how many pounds of crane sausage you
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  Speaker 1: may just try to use the thighs from the thime
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  Speaker 1: me and I'm not talking to jump stick, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just the thought. Because the breast you don't do. You
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  Speaker 1: don't corrupt him. You just eat. You know, I'll do
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  Speaker 1: it in a bunch of different ways. But you're right,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, like, I would never grow really big gumbo
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  Speaker 1: out of the breast of I hesitating. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: make jerky. A lot of guys do, and it's good,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't. I wouldn't even make jerkey out of
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  Speaker 1: this just too good. Yeah, it's like, you know, throwing
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  Speaker 1: in a croc bot and a lot of people out
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  Speaker 1: there do that. But I mean, you could throw anything
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  Speaker 1: in a crock pot for eight hours. Yeah, So answer
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  Speaker 1: your question. I made last year, and granted these weren't
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  Speaker 1: only birds that I killed, but my friends don't say
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  Speaker 1: the thigh so I take theirs. I mean, I had
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  Speaker 1: fifty pounds of thy mead crane timid and then plus
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  Speaker 1: whatever pork I added to a container like that, I
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  Speaker 1: want to wrap it up with that. Ladies, gentleman, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Fifty pounds of crane sausage. Old
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  Speaker 1: Beater Podcast, Thanks for tuning it.