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Football at Four: Further Discussion on Eagles' Third Day Picks Under GM Roseman · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The NFL Draft is coming and uh, you know, Sirianni
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  Speaker 1: and Roseman have had some good success in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: Will take a look at how much success they've gotten
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  Speaker 1: though later on in the draft where they do have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of picks this year, but can you expect
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  Speaker 1: them to find players that can help them in those
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  Speaker 1: middle rounds. Let's take a look at the Sirianni Roseman
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  Speaker 1: era of Day three picks. Who has helped and who
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  Speaker 1: has not? The Eagles do hold multiple picks in multiple
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  Speaker 1: middle rounds. Adam Kaplan is here to break it all
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  Speaker 1: down for us on the Sports Batch. What's going on
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  Speaker 1: out of another football at four?
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  Speaker 2: This one's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: They do have a lot of picks in the third,
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  Speaker 1: and the fourth and the fifth, but can they get help?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Mike, this the andrews Chepko and I
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  Speaker 3: had a really fun show. So we took a look
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  Speaker 3: at the five years of Roseman and Sirianni. How we
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  Speaker 3: makes picks the players and Nick is responsible to develop them.
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  Speaker 3: So we devoted that that part of part of the
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  Speaker 3: show this morning was that and then Andrew gave his
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  Speaker 3: Day three sleepers. Now, Mike, if you look at since
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  Speaker 3: how he's become general manager, though he didn't have personnel control.
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  Speaker 3: Nanny Reid was here. He was a general manager starting
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  Speaker 3: in twenty ten. But if you really look at it,
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  Speaker 3: they've had some phenomenal picks late. Just to give you
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  Speaker 3: a few, The best sixth round pick and Eagles history,
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  Speaker 3: Jason Kelsey, who, by the way, would have been higher.
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  Speaker 3: He would have been selected higher, but he had a
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  Speaker 3: penacitis around the combine. He lost a lot of weight.
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  Speaker 3: Jason stalked about it before, but obviously a great, great
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  Speaker 3: sixth round pick. You're not gonna get much better than that.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Malatta. The best seventh round pick and Eagles history.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most remarkable stories in NFL history. A
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  Speaker 3: seventh rounder Josh Swtt and twenty eighteen a fourth rounder.
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  Speaker 3: Third day picks are round four through seven, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: so people know that now round five through seven, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: they're not called starter rounds. Those are backup rounds. The
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  Speaker 3: fourth round is low and starter high end backup, and
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  Speaker 3: that is what Andrew and I talked about, and we
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  Speaker 3: talked about those rounds. Since Syriani and Rosamen have worked
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  Speaker 3: together the previous five years, twenty one for twenty five
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  Speaker 3: just understand, Mike, it's the hit rate on third day
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  Speaker 3: picks is low. So just understand that there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of guys who have not worked out. The one
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  Speaker 3: concern that we'll get into this as you and I speak,
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  Speaker 3: you're going forward. The one concern is the last year drafts,
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  Speaker 3: we're not seeing a lot of development yet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's take a look at some of the guys
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  Speaker 1: they have actually got some stuff from. And obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 1: these aren't guys who generally are all pros or Pro bowlers,
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  Speaker 1: but there have been some diamonds in the rough. But
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  Speaker 1: how has this regime done in these rounds. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: back to their first draft together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so in twenty twenty one, you might remember Zach McPherson.
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  Speaker 3: McPherson was cross trained, but they really wanted him to
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  Speaker 3: play nickel and he didn't play well before he tore
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  Speaker 3: his achilles and he's never been heard from. He tried
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  Speaker 3: to come back, was on some practice squads, but they
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  Speaker 3: missed that one. It's really simple. If your cut before
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  Speaker 3: your rookie contract is over, that's a miss. That was
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  Speaker 3: a miss. The next pick was fantastic. Kenny Gagwell was
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  Speaker 3: everything that the Eagles would have hoped for. Look, they didn't
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  Speaker 3: use him enough in the pass game, though he was
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  Speaker 3: more or less their third down back for a number
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  Speaker 3: of years. He was the fifth rounder in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: That was absolutely hit they got. In fact, good for Kenny.
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  Speaker 3: He got a really nice free agent contract with the Buccaneers.
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  Speaker 3: Eagles try to resign him. They made a passing effort.
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  Speaker 3: It was between the Eagles and the Steelers. He thought
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  Speaker 3: he'd have a bigger role with the Steelers, Mike. He
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  Speaker 3: led them in total receptions last season. Yes, dat Kennon Gamewell,
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  Speaker 3: believe it or not. So that was a hit. In
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, they missed the Tron Jackson was a
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  Speaker 3: six round pick. Jacoby Stevens played two games. He was
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  Speaker 3: a sixth round safety out of LSU. Never made it.
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  Speaker 3: He's actually back at LSU with her player programs in
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  Speaker 3: their football program. Six round pick Marlin Twoey polout two
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  Speaker 3: miss hes been on off to the Chiefs practice squad.
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  Speaker 3: His brother Trully, the second round pick a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years ago for the Chargers, is really good. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: calling Patrick Johnson a hit.
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  Speaker 2: Mike.
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  Speaker 3: I know he's been cut a number of times. But
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  Speaker 3: he's also helped their special teams. If you get special
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  Speaker 3: teams value for two or three years, that's a hit
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  Speaker 3: from a seventh round pick.
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  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, that's twenty twenty one draft Kenny Gainwell,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he's still playing in the league. Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Johnson bouncing around with Philadelphia. Let's go to twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: They only had two late round picks. One is still here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Kyron Johnson was a miss. He was a very raw, athletic,
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  Speaker 3: undersized edge rusher. He played on special teams in twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: He goes cut him. He went to the Steelers in
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  Speaker 3: twenty threees out of the league. That was a miss.
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  Speaker 3: Grand cock Y Terror is a hit. He was actually
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  Speaker 3: their number two toen end last season. Now Andrew made
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  Speaker 3: a great point. I totally agree with him. They misused
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  Speaker 3: Grandcock Terra Mike. The strangeness of the cross blocks. That's
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  Speaker 3: when you line up a guy left and you get
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  Speaker 3: him a cross formation and block of the right. That
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  Speaker 3: was just bad use. They really screwed up last year
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  Speaker 3: the way they used third tight ends other than Gottazi
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  Speaker 3: Dallas gotter At a great year in terms of blocking.
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  Speaker 3: That was bad. But Grant Calcatara is a mild hit.
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  Speaker 3: It's a hit. He came back on the second contract,
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  Speaker 3: so look, they got some value out of Calcuatar. He's
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  Speaker 3: clearly not good enough, but he's back on the football team.
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  Speaker 1: He is back here a six round pick. Crocketar, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, an interesting story. He had retired in college
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  Speaker 1: and then came back and has gues had some concussion
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  Speaker 1: problems at the collegiate level. That's twenty twenty two. They
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  Speaker 1: had two six round picks. One is still here, Grant Calcatar.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to twenty twenty three. Interesting one. This one
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  Speaker 1: has three guys who were all still here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So let me explain Khilley Ringo again,
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  Speaker 3: low and starter, high and backup. That means you got
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  Speaker 3: to be the first guy off the bench. They tried
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  Speaker 3: to Killy Ringo two years in a row to be
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  Speaker 3: a starter. Not only did he not become a starter
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  Speaker 3: last season, he got taken out of the rotation. He's
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  Speaker 3: only on special teams. I know he's an elite special
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  Speaker 3: teams player. This is a miss on migrating system which
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  Speaker 3: I've gotten from people I trust to work in the
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  Speaker 3: National Football League. On the scout inside. I've run it
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  Speaker 3: by people. This is a miss. It's not a bad miss.
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  Speaker 3: It's a miss because he's no longer thought of to
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  Speaker 3: be part of the backup group at cornerback. Tanner McKee
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  Speaker 3: is a hit. He won the start, he won the
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  Speaker 3: number two job. He's clearly at number two. He's seemed
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  Speaker 3: very well around the National Football League. If he's not
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  Speaker 3: traded up through the draft whereby this year's trade deadline,
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  Speaker 3: I fully expect him to get a starting job elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: This is absolutely a hit. And Moro Joemo is a
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  Speaker 3: home run Mike. He's a starting defensive tackle. So we
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  Speaker 3: talked about this. Jeff and I had information. This sounds
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  Speaker 3: kind of funny, but this is a scouting report from
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  Speaker 3: two people we know. We turned on scouting reports. He
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  Speaker 3: was kind of a know it all, very very smart, intellectual.
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  Speaker 3: You can hear him. He sounds like a center if
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  Speaker 3: you ever hear him speak. He's very smart, high character
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  Speaker 3: guy off the field, but he kind of kind of
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  Speaker 3: rubbed people the wrong way. He's kind of a know
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  Speaker 3: it all. He was at least in College of Texas.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what, who cares run by Howie here?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't get it. If you get a seventh round
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  Speaker 3: start of Mike, that is a home run.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you remember Milton Williams they took in
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  Speaker 1: the third round, so U Joe want to get him
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  Speaker 1: in the seventh round. That is a as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: a home run. I don't think anybody, by the way
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  Speaker 1: listening is going to argue with you about a Ringo
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  Speaker 1: being a miss. He just has not made the impact
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  Speaker 1: that they had hope with all his.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Mike, the Ringo truthers who would battle with jeff
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  Speaker 3: Ry are and are uh and are you're too born?
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  Speaker 3: They it took them two years to submit to tell
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  Speaker 3: us we were right. We got mf We got cursed
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  Speaker 3: out Mike, you would it was god, I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: got became personal. It's never personal with us. We tell
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  Speaker 3: you this is what we know. It'll never work. He's
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  Speaker 3: too stiff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hey, no, uh.
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  Speaker 1: I know. You know how people view certain reporters when
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  Speaker 1: they report things, and unfortunately one of them is in
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  Speaker 1: the news for some bad reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But I won't see got a lot of visceral.
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  Speaker 1: She got a lot of visceral because of her reporting.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know how people go after you if
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  Speaker 1: they like or don't like your report.
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  Speaker 3: To understand, Mike, it's never personal with me. Like I've
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  Speaker 3: told a couple of GMS, I've had problems with my
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  Speaker 3: job if I put the reporter hat down in terms
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  Speaker 3: of evaluation. If the guy's been a great director and
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the guy, I'm sorry. It's not my
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  Speaker 3: job to like the guy or not. I have to
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  Speaker 3: say that guy's done a great job. I mean that
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  Speaker 3: that to me has missed on reporting. Sometimes reporters called grudges.
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  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, Let's go to twenty twenty four where there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of very interesting names here and you're wondering, like,
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  Speaker 1: how much did any of these guys really help the
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  Speaker 1: team out?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew and I have got to know Will Shipley.
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  Speaker 3: We like Will Shipley personally, but it's our job in
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  Speaker 3: this show to evaluate him. It's been two years of
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  Speaker 3: mixed like he's helping them on kickoff returns, coverage teams,
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  Speaker 3: and a little bit on third down. But Tank Bixby
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  Speaker 3: took his job, Mike. I mean they gave up two picks,
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  Speaker 3: but they didn't hand Tank Pixy this number two job.
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  Speaker 3: He took it from wilshiply, so Will's got to do better.
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  Speaker 3: He's kind of undersized. It's not from a body type.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a smaller lower body. He's got some juice.
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  Speaker 3: We know that we've talked about this much. He's got
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  Speaker 3: to do better. This is a big year for him.
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  Speaker 3: Fifth round and Niah Smith I, man, this one bothered me.
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  Speaker 3: We thought he'd be a gadget player, a backup slot receiver,
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  Speaker 3: had multiple foot injuries, never made. He's now with the
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  Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers. Jeremiah Trotter. You know what he's contributed. He's
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  Speaker 3: one of the better special teams players. This is a
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  Speaker 3: mild hit so far. They really like him. Smart football player.
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  Speaker 3: As you know, he's about half the size of his dad.
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  Speaker 3: But Jeremiah Trott Junior has done a good job. Trevor
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  Speaker 3: Keagan not surprised. We noted this when he was drafted
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  Speaker 3: out of Michigan. Bad upper body, had some problems. Clubs
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  Speaker 3: told us that they were concerned about long time longevity.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't have a strong upper body, and the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: missed on him. This is a round where you want
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  Speaker 3: your backups to be your top backups Mic fourth or
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  Speaker 3: fifth round Johnny Wilson. I'll tell you what, how much
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  Speaker 3: did they miss in blocking for the run MIC last season?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a great point by you, is you know,
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  Speaker 1: I talk about the opening night they had two nondescript
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  Speaker 1: injuries that most people just kind of said, eh whatever,
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  Speaker 1: with the fullback and Johnny Wilson going down, and they
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  Speaker 1: missed who knows what the offense different would have looked
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  Speaker 1: like with those two guys A part of it, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it. Probably took a couple plays out of
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  Speaker 1: the playbook because you didn't Rother have anybody to play
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  Speaker 1: fullback at that same level. And Johnny Wilson, they never
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  Speaker 1: really could replace his blocking either.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: And the last one is stillan McMahon. Andre and I
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: tell a funny story. I don't want to give it away.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: You could hear it on YouTube or watch it on
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: YouTube if you want, or hear it on any podcasting platform.
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  Speaker 3: But we kind of knew. We both said he's never
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: going to make it when we saw on the field,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll leave it at that. You can kind of
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  Speaker 3: figure it out, but look, you got to give three years.
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  Speaker 3: But I would say the one we need more out
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  Speaker 3: of will Shipley if we're doing a bet, if we're
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  Speaker 3: doing a full evaluation, Johnny Wilson had a major knee injury.
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  Speaker 3: I was there at training camp. I felt so bad
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  Speaker 3: for him when he was carried off. It looked bad
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  Speaker 3: and it was bad. So Trot Junior, to be honest
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  Speaker 3: with you, has been their most productive and it's only
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  Speaker 3: on special teams.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five, which obviously a fourth, three fists and
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  Speaker 1: four six round picks last year.
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  Speaker 2: What do we got?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little concerning Ty Robinson. Boy, we were excited.
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  Speaker 3: I know the Eagles were excited. A lot of people
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: in Scotlan where the NFL. We talked, you like him.
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  Speaker 3: He's really he's kind of a tweener. He's really not
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  Speaker 3: a nose tackle. He's more of a five technique in
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: their scheme. They got to figure it out with him.
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  Speaker 3: He'll make it because he's a fourth rounder. But Andrew
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: made a really good point with Byron Young's development. There's
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  Speaker 3: he's not being out Byron Young. Byron Young was terrific
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  Speaker 3: in his role. So he right now, Ty Robinson's the
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  Speaker 3: fifty tackle and look, they may draft another one so
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: he's got to be better. It's a big offseason for
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: Mac McWilliams. We thought he had a good training camp,
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  Speaker 3: but he only played a nine percent of the defensive
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  Speaker 3: snap sixteen percent of special teams. Very disappointed he didn't
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  Speaker 3: get on the field. Mike, jury's out on him. Small
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: Monton played a lot on special teams. It's funny. I
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  Speaker 3: never thought i'd say that they're too good at inside backer.
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: He can't get on the field on defense. Drew Kenno,
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: he might remember his dad, Pete Kennell, played for the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks and the Jets. He's a little bit too small
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  Speaker 3: to play guard, but they really like him to be
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: their backup center. He's got to prove it next one.
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  Speaker 3: Kyle McCord bust missed his arm. He got exposed in
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: training camp. Really weak arm. You know, it's ironic. They're
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: playing a true West Coast defense and he would have
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  Speaker 3: been a great fit for it. Where is he He's
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: in Green Bay where they run the true West Coast offense.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: Miles Hinton talking to soon a scouting another day, actually
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days ago, about him really good athlete,
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: more of a finesse player. Needs to back up and
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: get stronger.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: The one I'm really excited is a guy who played
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: one game who is the biggest project that they drafted.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: Cam Williams had some great snaps against the Washington Commandos
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  Speaker 3: in the Week seventeen or Week eighteen game. And Antoine
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: Powellryland out a twenty five and a half sacks at
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  Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. After you transfer from Florida missed, he got
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  Speaker 3: cut and he's now with the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'll ask you this as you get out
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  Speaker 1: of here. Whose dad was better? Kendall's or Hitting's?
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: Oh? Oh, hinting? Chris Hinten was trade for John Alway.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: Chris Sinen was a terrific player for a guard for
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: the Colts. Very underrated play. In fact, if you watch
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: the Way the thirty for thirty l Way to Brino,
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: watch Chris Hinton. He's so good in this see you know,
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: because he can remember he got you know, he was Look,
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: he got trade for Hall of famer. What can I
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: tell you? It's a great You could say Marvin Demoff,
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: who is the agent for John Elway and Dan Marino.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: You have to have you ever seen this one? It's phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I see that one. And if you said
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  Speaker 2: the lay one on, I think it's Netflix. Have you
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  Speaker 2: watched that one?
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  Speaker 3: Know? The only one? And no, I have not watched that.
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  Speaker 3: Is that new? Is that recent came.
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  Speaker 2: Out somewhat recently? Yes, it's just it's very very good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A friend of John we had close front of his
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: past waves an agent whose name escapes me but I
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: can't think was his last name, Jeff, I've got his
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: last name. He was actually around for many years. But yeah, John,
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: John was actually a very good personal executive who who
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: obviously knows Vic Fangio, John Highway, Vic Fan Vic Fano
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  Speaker 3: a head coach, head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, there you go.
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