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Why Draft Picks Shape The Cubs Offseason Plans · Monday Morning Cubs Show

• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we're clear.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Are we?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Good morning, good afternoon, Team Scott Cubs fans.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Monday Morning Cubs show.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Today's actually today's Wednesday, November 4th.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's Carl joined by Mahoney wearing a great classic Bears hat.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: People are gonna enjoy that when we pivot to video for now.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Audio only.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Good to see you, Tim.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Good to see you, Carl, and I like your stocking cap as well.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is a Bears Trucker hat vintage.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it does have the Bear logo in the middle.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I I will say it did get a little bit smashed up, but I think it gives it uh, you know, a more authentic look, if you will.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is it vintage?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: You sound like my wife and my sister-in-law at a family party.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's check out my bag.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: This was one, this is a bag from what a find.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, you know, it's not vintage.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like uh trucker's hat made to look vintage.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Just bought it from Clark Street Sports probably three weeks ago.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and now it does look like it's been through the rigor moral and has had some miles on it.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe it's my headphones, or did you just switch your audio to a potato, or is that just something stream yard in real time?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, I'm uh I'm saying it from my end.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Did I did you just go to potato?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: I did not go to potato as far as I know.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: You sound you sound great.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is the Money Morning Cup show on a Wednesday afternoon.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: On a Wednesday afternoon, Mahoney.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's the offseason.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think where my head's at is lockouts coming.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Lockout's coming.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: I lockouts coming.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: I lost a little zest.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting here on a Wednesday afternoon with you going, I knew on Sunday night we weren't cutting the show.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: No material news is broken since some qualifying offer stuff we'll get to, but this lockout is really chapping my cheeks, my friend.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I mean, why wouldn't it be?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of question marks.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Then you wonder why aren't teams in general more aggressive now, you know, thinking that they're under they're under the gun to make these decisions before players get erased from their websites.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a real weird spot to be in, you know, especially doing a show in the offseason when there's just not a whole lot.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the Brewers just boat race in the field and winning the World Series is a bigger kick to the dick.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was mentioning how I didn't really hate Milwaukee that much, and now I do.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's you do yeah, like if they win the World Series, now it goes into that that hate tier, which is tough being they're in our division and they own us.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fuck Milwaukee.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck Milwaukee, dude.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be there on Sunday, but fuck them.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: What do you got?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: A family thing?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Goose, goose, goose show.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Going to the show.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry, I can't go.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was it's hey, totally get it.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like first birthday in the family.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: How much do you want to go to Goose versus how much do you want to get into, you know, debilitating argument going into the holiday season, which is another question I'll ask after I tell you guys about Thirsty Vicarol because Thanksgiving's coming up and I will be rolling into my in-laws.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: You better believe four fucking deep each arm sampler platters across the board.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be a vigilante holiday season in the Stirk Casa.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: We are gonna be drinking a spicy watermelon, a Lamone Ladron, and a Mango Muerte all throughout this holiday season.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: I encourage you guys to go to Amazon.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Mahoney, am I right or wrong when I say I'm gonna win the Thanksgiving day when I show up to my in-laws with a cooler full of vigilantes, a bunch of bad boys?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Carl, yeah, that goes without saying if you're bringing a vigilante pack to any holiday party, and not to mention, as refreshing as Thirsty Vacaro is in the summertime, holy shit, does it hit in the holidays?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you're thinking mixing some holiday drinks quite, I mean, with that spiciness, oh my god, like kick the cinnamon to the side, folks.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Use Thirsty Vacaro to mix your holiday concoctions.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Just a just a sweet, just a little bit of that heat on the mango over a little bourbon.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the thing.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I told you this, but I've cut back, I mean, I've cut back so much on booze that like the other day I had a heavy IPA and got fucking wasted off it.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like kind of nice to get to that point.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I was talking to Mrs.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Carlin, I said, hey, just so you know on Thanksgiving, because we're going to her parents, we'll probably be getting there at you know 10 o'clock in the morning.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: I said, listen, just so you know, I'm gonna get fucking loaded at your dad's house on at your you know, your folks' house on Thanksgiving.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I've been already thinking about how I'm gonna pair.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: And when you bring up the Thirst of Acaro, it's it's a start it early type thing.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: You want to go Mango Morte for breakfast, which I will be, is what I'm saying.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna Uber over there, and I will be by fucking one o'clock, Mahoney.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: I will have I'll have all three vigilantes, and I'm just in between do I want to go bourbon?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do I want to go tequila in the morning, big nap, wake up, go bourbon?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're an expert on all beverages.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: What would you do if you were me?
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think you you gotta go in the morning.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: You go muerte in the morning.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you might be looking at uh a bourbon cocktail earlier throughout the day, I think at like 11:30, and then you're probably gonna be finishing with some post-dinner margaritas.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So there's your Lamon the drone, it's the trio, it's dangerous, it's tasty.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a caro and it just pairs like Thanksgiving season into Christmas season is basically that's that's that's like when you get the pen in your pocket season, you know what I'm saying, at the family parties, and uh that's when you have to un you gotta unload on the live resin 75.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: The one like the space cadet thing, the one where you go you hand it out to your cousin, you go be careful with this.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, you know, like I'll be 40.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: How's your tolerance?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: How's your tolerance?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I still love that.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: I got younger cousins, you know, cousins in their mid-late 20s, like smoking weed in the driveway of like a of a family party.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing, though.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not before I even get there, I've had half a dozen of them on the drones.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's good to see you, buddy.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Always it's good to fucking see you, dude.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: So here's a here's a good thing.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be I know you have some baller strike prepared, but I think we should just at least start here.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that I don't think the Cubs bring Saya back.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's obvious.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: That now the reason I bring this up is because we'll talk about some free agencies or some free agents that are available, some free agencies.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, an important thing to remember is if the Cubs do sign anybody worth his shit, they're gonna be giving up a lot of what would be called prospect capital.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're second and their fifth highest draft picks in most circumstances, you know, of like the guys who are actually worth his shit.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: So now's the time when people are talking about, well, we gotta add this guy, that guy.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I would just say an overarching theme I have as we head into what is a guaranteed lockout of the month is that the Cubs uh are gonna very much value draft picks, they're gonna value cheap, controllable talent.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I there's just no way I see them signing big name free agents at all, in the least bit, if it means I'm giving up draft picks.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, with that said, and what does that mean?
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like when somebody does leave or turns down a qualifying offer, does that actually like take away a draft pick or whatever, or like a rule six or whatever the hell it is?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm talking to me because I'm clueless about this.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: So say Suzuki, they offer him the qualifying offer, he gets it to means say you stick around, you get 23 million dollars.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now, last year they did it was a show to Imaga, he took the qualifying offer.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Most times you're turning down a qualifying offer so that you can become a free agent.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you turn the you it's part of the process.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta get the qualifying offer, you turn it down, now you're a free agent.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now, because I have the cubs, I've offered Saya the qualifying offer.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: He turned it down.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: He said, I'm gonna be a free agent.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm entitled to some relief.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thinking.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: I get some relief, I get something.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now I had Saya for all these years, I paid him all this money.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: I did this, I did what the players' unions asked.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now he's gonna be go be a free agent.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fucked.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: How do I feel?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta replace Seya Suzuki.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, what what the mechanism is in this place, and it's not for all free agents, it's just the good ones, the ones that are eligible for, you know, in this case, it's like if you're good enough.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all right, so say it turns it down.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now, say Saya goes and signs with who?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody forgettable, right?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: He signs with the Rockies.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Ugh.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we would then get compensate, what's called compensation.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, compensation from the Rockies from for them signing Saya.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: What's that compensation?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Draft picks.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you get their draft, but you get their and this is me speaking generally, because it depends on who the free agent is.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: But you get their high, you know, sometimes it's their second highest pick, sometimes their fifth, sometimes it's bold, sometimes the third.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so like I'm not gonna put on the the Scott Boris hat, but the that's the general thought process is now that applies.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's 13 guys, 13 position players who got qualifying offers, or maybe all free agents, but like Brandon Lau's on that list for the Pirates.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so that's the the the the the protection or so to say is you know, and and this is a reason why some teams lately at the trade deadline go, well, we don't want to we don't want to trade a guy for prospects.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: We'd rather hang on to him, offer him the qualifying offer, and get our draft.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: He turns it down.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: We still so then that becomes part of the measurement.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is are these draft picks prospects are they more valuable than I'll go, hey, you can have my 10th ranked left fielder and a in a single A reliever.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: The team can go, that's not too we'll just hang on to this guy through the trade deadline, we'll wait till free agency offer him a qualifying offer, he'll sign somewhere else, we get two draft picks, bang.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for that.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then bringing it back to the point you originally made is you're saying the Cubs are gonna wanna they're cherishing their draft picks right now, more than going out and signing some you know blockbuster free agent because of the lockout that's coming or a blockbuster that would cost them one of those picks or what have you.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the theory would be well, you're gonna replace those picks when you lose Seya, you're gonna replace those picks.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: You go sign somebody, you know, you get their pick, you're swapping out picks effectively.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just don't see a world bait.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing the Cubs just went through this a couple of years ago, my honey, when we we didn't have games during COVID, and we were, you know, and we went through the same thing when we were facing a lockout in 22.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't spend any money after we got rid of Rizzo in 21 and Baez and KB.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't do shit in 22.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: We fucking rolled in with nothing, bro.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Patrick Wisdom was playing third base.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I like Patrick Wisdom.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, if we're gonna think about what we're doing now, it's like just look back a couple of years ago.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't do shit.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why would we do shit now?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Why would we do shit now?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: We already have Dancy Swanson, Alex Bregman on our contract.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Pete Pete Cromstone's about to win the MVP unanimously.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I would be under the impression that Jed Orr is just gonna stock these draft picks.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: And here's another great you're gonna bring them up in ball or strike.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be remiss.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: We should have said this off the top.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: The Cubs are supposed to sign Tarek Scuble however they want to sign him.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, dude, color it in, Mahoney, because I'm gonna scurst crazy about this.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: What a headline that I've been coming across.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: What blurbs I'm hearing on the radio when they say, hey, the Cubs want Terek Scuble, but they don't think that they're gonna be able to pay him.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I want to go on a vacation to the Swiss Alps, but I can't afford that right now.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean going to the Swiss Alps, Mahomes.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, I I want to, but I don't think I can right now because I can't afford it.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: What the hell do you even say that for when you're not going to be in the market?
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Are you just getting in front of the story that we're not even going to be able to compete for this guy?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Or what what sense does that make and why?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because it doesn't make any to me.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just a stupid quote from a stupid organization.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we'd love to get Derek Scuba.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: We just, you know, I mean, like, he's very much in our plans.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, like he's probably too expensive.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, you sure, Howdy.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go buy a GMC Sierra tomorrow.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Brand new.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: The$2,500.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that sounds great, Carl.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love to hear it.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Fully loaded, it's gonna massage my balls at stop lights.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful, dude.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Are you through an espresso on the road?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna be able to afford it?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh no, it's expense expensive, dude.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I want it.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, I'm gonna go get it and I want it.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, we'll see what they say when I tell them I'm not paying$1,700 a month for it, but I want it.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Come and get it.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a problem, and this is indicative of what now.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I could sit here and complain.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm bringing this up more from the standpoint of you should expect because of this, it should influence you to expect certain behaviors, certain things that are coming in the future.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: What are those things?
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't expect us to be signing for agents.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'd expect us to be in this case, we are gonna value these draft picks more, not necessarily because the draft picks are more valuable, but because we don't have the money, and the money's part of the equation.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And when you put it in the equation, then you go, ah, yes, these draft picks are very valuable because we don't have the money nearly to the extent we do to pursue the path that makes the most sense to get to a World Series Championship.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna fucking lie to ourselves and be like, no, actually, we need this second rounder, we need this fifth rounder, you know, whatever.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Blow me.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: We had a great prospect, now we have Sandy Alcantara, you know.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: We had a great prospect, you know, then we got Kyle Tucker, you know, like so now we just value these prospects one day, they'll be meaningless.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm such a nihilist.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Why is that brewers?
• 14:34
  unknown: Yeah.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, I should have acknowledged this off the top.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was so mad in last week's show.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Anybody who tuned in this week after listening to all of last week's show, you know, thank you.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was a mean show.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was in salty, unhappy show.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we're back.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: They're nice to listen to every so often, though.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I appreciate it very much.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then the time it takes and energy, you know, to put yourself in that space.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'll die doing this, Mahoney.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I'm not saying tomorrow.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say this team's gonna kill me.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: You just know when I go, I'll be sitting in this chair and I'm gonna be sitting here doing these things.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go, what's your brother-in-law's name?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's his name?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Gary, two R's, one R, doesn't give a fuck.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Gary's gonna be sitting at the dinner table.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna be bringing up Todd Zeal.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna be bringing up Eric Karos.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna say, I couldn't tell the difference.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be sitting there defending the two, and then right then I'm gonna go.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right then, I'm gonna croak.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be in between what's the difference between Todd Zeal and Eric Karos.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be in a hypothetical about a guy I haven't even met, talking to a person I don't know about an Uncle Gary, you know, but that's how I'm going.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: What else we got, my friend?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's good to see you.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's good to see you too, Carl.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh God.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, where where I'm at on the Tarek Scuble thing, so I won't really get into the ball or strikes.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's just absurd, absurd headlines that are coming across.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe it's just because it's uh slow news week for baseball.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: But you know also pending lockout, you go after school, but what is he gonna how old is he gonna be in two years?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is age 38 season for age 39 season?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, Carl.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: My brain's not working as well as I want it to today, but hey, we're here and we're doing it.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: When is your brain optimized?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: As I'm being serious, like, do you have a time of the week where you go, this is where I really click with what 3 a.m.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: on Wednesdays?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: You always are waiting for the time.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is when I'm really gonna get my most creative work in and never have just never do it.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Never like, oh no, I'm not I'm not in that space right now, can't do it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm operating at a three, being with the like just full-time dad mode, going to and from school.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking to kids all day long, so I can't actually like you know, I bring myself down to that level, and then you're just in it.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: You would be a good kindergarten teacher.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking about becoming a substitute or something, like finger patents and stuff.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you would be a good substitute, but like not the high school kids because uh you'd end up like inviting them over after class or something, like come watch the game, have a couple beers.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: It would be too much.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: These kids are 18 the only you can't be fucking drinking with these kids.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would never ever do anything of that nature, but yeah, it I wouldn't be able to handle that.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone giving me any lip?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: What are you calling?
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, you'd you would throw a kid out the window.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: You like somebody's like, Yeah, sure thing.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Would you go to Eastern?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Next thing you know, that kid's on the floor.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, Panther Pride.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the baller strike just Yeah, let's just do it.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Jacob Webb, Jacob Webb re-signing.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: What a splash, man.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Baller strike, what a splash.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, that's such a that's such a like that's such like a classic Jet Hoyer era move to be dangled in front of us to say we're being active.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Look, we brought back Webb.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it'll be like the first I'm gonna list a coup that Jed Hoyer a couple weeks from now is gonna be talking to the media in a lockout about how they've they've taken the necessary steps, and it kills me that I know one of the first things out of his mouth is he'd be like, listen, we've taken the steps to prepare for the lockout.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, just go look at what we've done with the qualifying offer of Sia.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: We brought Webb back, you know, like just how easy he and early he's gonna go to Webb.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: That could be the thing that sends me Mahoney.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, talking about all the innings that he contributed and what have you last year, and then you're thinking about well, how they're the last 20 of those minutes.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I wish people could fuck, dude.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wish people could see your eyes because you just convinced you uh you did have the salesperson eyes.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you want this web, trust me.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: You want this guy because that's the length they have to go like Jed Hoyer has to put the eyes on in order for me, you know what I'm saying, to think that this move means a shit.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: When in reality, if we were true wagon, this would be move 27 of the offseason.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: This would be like a yeah, sure, no-brainer.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Two million dollars for this guy and a couple pick bonus for us.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he gets thrown, he gets thrown back into the lottery mix for the bullpen for 27.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, it's like a significant move, a stable ice scene.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm reading the Cubs sign, and I'm like, Jacob, wait, that that same Jacob Webb.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not Logan Webb, like I was calling him all year last year.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and if we had Logan Webb, we'd be in a much better spot.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna spend less than one percent of our 27 budget on Jacob Webb, and we're gonna identify it in the offseason as like a stabilizing event to our run prevention system.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, we have web, we have web.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, you know, as far as I'm concerned, when when again, here's the interesting thing, not 100% of the bullpen can or 100% of the payroll contributes to the offense, but almost one, almost 100% of the payroll contributes to run prevention in some capacity, you know, except for we don't even have full-time DHs.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, like everybody on the roster in some event plays a role in run prevention, and this is what I'm talking about is like here's the guy that we're gonna slot in end of the bullpen, end of whatever, and he's not even gonna be one percent of the payroll, the run prevention department.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, now do I need four percent?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do I need us to spend eight to ten million on it?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know what?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: To be honest, that would be fucking nice, Mahoney.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: And rant Carl regarding run prevention ball or strike, you were surprised Alex Braggman won a gold glove.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was surprised.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Strike.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: I was surprised.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was a strike for me as well.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, nice to see.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, once I saw he was even a finalist, I was like, okay, that's pretty solid.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: That means he must be doing something right at third base and percentage-wise and not making errors, whatever.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, and then he actually wins the thing.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Does that like now that does that justify the hundred and seventy-five million at least in his agent's eyes?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like it makes no think it's an inside job.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Makes me think it's an inside job, Mahoney.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Makes me think that the the that it's rigged because uh does Breg did Bregman look like a a gold lover that's never once in my eyes was I like oh wow, that look at that web gem.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it I mean he could pick it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's just been picking it.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like he didn't even get that many balls hit to him when he was playing third man.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: I could be wrong, could be I could totally be wrong.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad he won it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: You like to see your guys win and gold gloves.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Pete, obviously, he'll have one of those, you know, unless he has some catastrophic injury.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: injury knock on wood but yeah nice to see Bregman but I I just didn't I don't disagree with it but I just didn't see it coming yeah it's a kid I didn't just I think it's like he's solid you know but like all right so his year this year was like a little bit better than the best year a Ramos Ramirez had as a Cubs third baseman who was like an objectively average to below average third basem like slightly below average third baseman like consistent showed up every day doubles machine but in the field he was he's like fine you know slow first step so Brugman was better than that he he was he was better than a Ramos Ramirez which is the benchmark for me in my lifetime as like you know consistent Cubs third baseman which is really sad because I wish I'd be able to say the same thing about you know obviously Chris Bryant uh let me look up Chris Bryant here for a second and Chris Bryant was never a good third baseman so he was below a Ramos Ramirez in that department I just can't believe Alex Bregman you know like it was the he was the best in the National League Mahoney you're telling me he was the best that's what Rawlings says.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Rawlings also said in 2016 you know they were given out platinum they had been given out platinum this would be I think the 15th year they've given out platinum glove for the best defender ever in 2016 Rawlings gave the platinum glove award to Anthony Rizzo who played first baseman not saying Rizzo wasn't a great first baseman but like the best defender in the National League is a first baseman so it's just a good indictment on the gold glove situation.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't get it I think being a finalist is enough but how the fuck are you telling me Alex Bregman was a gold glover?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I get although he is good he's solid he's consistent but like there there weren't he's the best there weren't four of the 14 other guys he was the number one out of 15 third baseman just based on our our reaction to it alone I would love to be like dude hell yeah congratulations to Alex Bregman for winning a gold glove but it was like when that you know the graphic went out the Cubs Twitter I had to I did a double take I'm like holy shit Alex Bregman actually fucking won one of those things and that's just I was like holy that's just how I I feel now and and then and whatever I mean good for him but yeah good form is right Mahoney good form is right yeah I mean and people who think we're I'm not dunking on Bregman I love him he's solid I collect him I have a box of Alex Bregman baseball cards right like I'm uh I just added the candy cane bat to to the PC I'm not going on I love Alex Bregman I watch enough of him to go are you sure he's the best so then what's the angle on this how what is the play you know I don't know I don't know congratulations to him and and it lets Jed Hoyer it lets Jed Hoyer walk proudly in the offseason meeting how about this maybe if anything because Tom Rick it's like see Tom I signed him and then he was a gold glover so give me more money to spend there's your positive spin ball or strike strike all right good we riot if Bryce Tarang takes MVP votes away from PCA's unanimous MVP win fuck Bryce Tarang won in the MVP Bryce Tarang ain't no MV isn't he one of the three final isn't he get one of the three finalists him is he gonna get votes Mahoney I I hope not but if he such I'd be so pissed he's he is a good point he's such an inner California what is he he's a non-coastal California scumbag all right so what percentage of people in California live more than an hour and a half away from saltwater and the answer is a small percentage he's one of them those people are rats those people are uh disgusting human beings I say that confidently knowing not one person listened to this is fits that demographic at all and he's one of them so what does that mean a lot of good Charlotte okay a lot of time on a skateboard um multiple tattoos yeah bad ones too real bad ones obviously um oh dude you're very deep into Fast and the Furious but not the original certainly not the classics more Tokyo Drift anything that's straight to DVD made its way right to the top of your household like you know collection you talk about crossing the bad lands like with your boys in RV yeah I don't know well I mean I'll get into that I don't have anything against the bad lands in the RV I'm thinking more like guys who aren't allowed into the Slipknot concert you know guys that are deemed too dangerous for this like hey we're trying to have a good time here um but at the same time they're not in on Metallica no shot that's way too mainstream for these guys um and most people are one degree removed from from uh people who've been severely impacted by meth lab accidents not just usage of the drug I'm talking about in on the front lines of you of the manufacturing process that's what I think when I look at Bryce Train I go this guy skill like not nothing within it's not his fault he was born into it but he was raised by that that's what I that's what I think when I see Bryce Train I go this is a guy easily a hundred miles off the coast of California uh you know like loves an amusement park the unregulated amusement parks the dangerous ones you know make sense yeah no it does it makes me think that documentary on an adventure park or whatever the roller coaster that just like went straight down there was like no guardrails whatsoever the water slides are stone you know kids are getting cut that sort of thing I don't know talking tangent here you're not he's a dangerous kid is what I'm saying and he's a great baseball player you know fundamental son of a bitch I I won't riot it's a PCA's award to lose and Bryce Train's the second best player on his team so good for him well or strike baller strike Carl Justin Steele pitches in a Cubs uniform again that better be a strike that better be a strike like what are we doing?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: That better be a strike are you telling like the last time he pitched for the Cubs he was like hosting a show with Marty Mush.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is where and that's where I'm concerned because some of the velocity dip in those rehab starts and I know he's you know trying to get back to to where he wants to be I'm sure but and the really the reason I bring it up is because I'm starting to see his name in like weird trade rumors like getting to Jacob deGrom but that might cost us a lot of that just those are bored Cubs fans shut that up I mean these are the articles I'm reading because I'm bored and there's just there's not a lot out there.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's you're like an old guy jerking off the AI right now.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: One of those reasons why I bring up Justin Steele and I also because I mean his health is my is the other reason which is the more concerning one for me.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna trade him he's definitely going to take some steroids off seat if he doesn't he should right if he doesn't do that then maybe he doesn't but like what I'm saying is I'm not discounting how far that guy's willing to go right in order to reclaim what is his he's very competitive.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't been on the mountain people have written him off people it's got to have such a profound chip on his shoulder I've told this story before I've run into him where is it uh we're out I'm having cocktails with my wife I bump into him where am I Trivoli Tavern?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes and I said hey how you and I'd asked him what do you miss most or like how much does it suck now?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: What a great team and he's like imagine how many wins I'd have at through this point of season.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what a psychopath but that's all these guys care about it's a it's a good metric if you're talking about somebody who really wants to go out and compete you're talking about starting pitchers who care about that stuff.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's like oh this guy actually gives a fuck about the end of the day when other guys someone's gonna say they all do.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: No they don't a lot of guys just care about how hard they throw at what their next contract looks like other guys just care about winning.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I would be shocked if the Cubs gave that up because it's super rare you know whether he whether he pitches his last game whether he pitches he will pitch again in the Cubs uniform for anybody else one two if he doesn't it'll be because of injuries it won't be because they trade him to somebody else and he pitches for somebody else that's just to me would be so difficult.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: So Moni if you see stuff like that don't don't we I need to get you we need to get you like flag check help we I need lizard king playing so like like send it to the king and just tell king yes or no what if I just wanted to talk about Justin Steele as well you're right that's really what it comes down to.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote down his name I came up with a ball or strike I I self admittedly read an article linking him to whatever but none of it's linked it's all speculation I understand you're right you're right I just I love Justin Steele.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want him back and let's just pray and hope for his health that's really what it comes down to.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're right I hope I'm not scolding you Mahomes you aren't you aren't I'm not taking it that way I just I'm I would I I would be shocked if he took them out it would it it would just I need him back I want him back it's his it's his pitching staff and that guy could throw 84 and get people out all right he's a tough guy to hit he's a tough guy to see he commands the ball what else we got Money when oh god there it is right there don't do it starting it with a question don't do it it's too early to pan to Carl in November for a lack of free agent signings yeah I mean I don't I would say but here's we are coming up to a lockout that's why I'm concerned you know but dude we signed web what are you talking about we just signed web we got web oh god yeah they've been busy so we'll see it's I think it will be typical Jed Hoyer waiting a bit until the last minute which can be excruciating but at the same time there's no reason to panic because there's going to be a fucking lockout trying to make this entertaining you know what I mean I know hey give me your wish list we get out of the lockout Mahoney what did we do?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: Who did we sign?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well Terek Scuble we can't afford him but no we can't I mean I'm just saying like take me to Fantasyland.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: All right I want Tarek Scuble my number one if not him I want Freddie Peralta.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yep okay that might be my number two and three who's the guy who shoved it up our ass from the Padres Michael King.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's the other guy.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: So those are three starting pitchers that I would like to add I don't really give a shit about a corner outfielder right now.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Throw Pedro Ramirez out there throw Matt Shaw out there.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see what these kids hey the kids can play right get them out there.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's been there's a blue wave Matt Shaw won't be doing the fucking turning point shit as much as he has been Pedro Ramirez isn't into politics.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: So let's put those guys in the corner see how it goes and let's go out and get one of those three pitchers I would be happy if that's the case.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a blue wave to just throw them in the right field and tell them to shut the fuck up Shaw's allowed to play again oh man I don't have any disagreements with that mahoney I have not I love where your head's at if we are improving I would I would like to see us have eight starting pitchers that are good.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know spend all the money on search we're we're not we're losing money I should say we're recovering money to spend in free agency on say Suzuki Ian Hap Carson Kelly Matthew Boyd Jason uh Jamison Tayan I mean right there is 60 million right there is terek scuba go right ahead and sign terek scuble in in in uh fine go right ahead like you I'm with you because I think here's a good example if you look at the Brewers and you look at the race the the run prevention is significantly more important over the course of a season and dominating a postseason meaning keeping guys off the board and if we want to improve the roster like we have offense from PCA in Bregman in Bush Horner had a down year Danzby Swanson's a plus offensive shortstop whether you like him or not you know we have spots to be positive offensively we really need to separate ourselves our pitching staff was so bad.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: So spend all the money on Scooba I agree with you bring in Michael King I agree with you bring in Freddie Peralta so we don't have to drag this out I was just seeing if you had anything else on your mind with the wish list.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Are you happy with Craig Council?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no I've I'm kind of I've been out on Craig I need to win a division I just think it's a joke that we've spent that much money on a manager and we're just you know getting railroaded by Milwaukee every single year.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know I just I'm out right now and I'm even I don't give a shit about the manager right now I think I here's an idea I have for the Monday morning cup show in 27 is we have the recurring guests that we've brought in over the years I want to start like expanding upon the guest roles so like the week when I want to get into Craig Council like that's CB's territory.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like CB's the Craig Council guy I did I need to find an angle for Joey and for Tui and just say what do you want to own just completely own it inside and out so we can just tap into it more you know I I've I I mean maybe I should talk to you about this offline maybe this is no that makes a show but that makes perfect sense.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: But as we get into this Craig stuff it's like I feel like CB's the expert on Craig Council you know he is because he's he's been skeptic of everything I was riding high on Craig for years you know and for whatever it's worth you know you defend a manager and it's like what the hell's the point of defending a manager you know I'm talking about how he's using the bullpen it's like look we fucking sucked at the end of the year.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know we didn't even use guys that we acquired and gave up capital for all that right now I I don't even want to talk about it.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like I'm out on crack so let's stop right there.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just stop right there.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we can stop here too it's a Monday morning Cub show this is just a Wednesday edition.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: The lockout is coming it's coming in a month or so you know I'm not trying to be desperate but like or I shouldn't say I'm not trying to be like a complainer here but like like Alex uh or Bryce Harper said on his Instagram page someone was like I bet you enjoy the offseason or you're starting to enjoy the offseason too much.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like yeah the offseason next year is just gonna be April to October like he said it.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is like one of the most visible guys they and all the stuff from the league is saying salary cap this or that and the players have already said they're not gonna take the field they'll take the year off so like you know that's the other thing it's like how do you frame a show about the Cubs in the offseason just knowing that there's going to be a lockout just talk about that until we sure whatever no I mean whatever we'll figure it out it's not that it's it's it's you know I disagree with what's being said about it.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Scott Boris says to to to your point what do you talk about Scott Boris says if teams care about their fans they'll act now before the rules are rewritten because they're not sure right now at least they know what the certainty is with the rules you can sign a player you know right now you can go out and sign guys and I don't think that I you know I'd be I just don't think that there are many teams operating like that right now I think many teams are going to wait and see what happens which is like we're gonna be stale stagnant.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: So in the meantime we have to be creative we'll figure it out oh we're gonna be creative that's that's I'll be creative my next point is I'm gonna be waiting till next show guys I'm gonna have to just wait real tight real tight oh wait hey you wait wait you wait we have it just I'm gonna have a creative spark at midnight later tonight and that's when I'm really gonna get after that's outline inspiring dude next next week's gonna rip dude I'm gonna be coming back from the gym it's gonna be awesome hey we will talk bears we will talk Chicago Bears I do believe Caleb Williams is the best quarterback in the world right now I do too and imagine if we have another an MVP in Chicago an MVP quarterback and an MVP center fielder life is good in that respect.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: In the meantime I'd like to encourage maniacs if you guys get a chance go check out some Thirsty McCarrow on Amazon.com have it chipped your front door and while you're waiting for it to be delivered go to Spotify or apple wherever you consume the show and obviously leave us a leave us a review I have a giveaway I'm that I'm gonna start doing I believe I'm interested in some feedback on this I have I you know the I work for I do work for I have a client you know I had perform work for a client uh that works in the hobby space is a media company sports card nonsense and uh some of my duties i'm a pr I'm a showrunner producer I make graphics and social stuff and whatever I guest hosted with Mike earlier this week but as part of the duties I got to open all these fucking baseball cards I got just stacks of baseball cards so I think I'm just gonna start assembling my own like 50 card 100 card packs or whatever and then just giving away like rookie cards who wants a hundred rookie cards just leave and leave a review on Spotify I'll pick one guy each week I don't know my honey I gotta do something with these baseball cards I get so many fucking rookie cards dude Carl's cards and collectibles how about it come out what a I mean that would be a beautiful giveaway and think of if like something pops of value just make sure that there's something in the the contract that you get half too easy.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm staring I'm staring at this Connor Griffin rookie card right now.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's a base card but somebody's gonna want a Connor Griffin rookie base.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know I got like I got hundreds of these things just sitting around so leave review I'll get you some cards how about that until next time guys it's a Monday morning Cup show we'll be back next week probably not on Monday but we'll be back.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: Take care Go Cubs