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Weekend Recap, Scott Dochterman talks Hawkeyes & College Football · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All righty. Good afternoon.
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Welcome to Miller and Condon. As we start our week here on the
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Iowa Sports Radio Network. It's Trent Condon and Ken Miller
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for the next couple of hours to talk sports with you.
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And thanks for starting your afternoon with us.
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Here's what's coming up on our program.
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We will speak with Scott Document from the Athletic.
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Been a couple of weeks, a lot of catching up to do with Doc.
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There is some news, some Iowa news that we'll get into with
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Scott and probably do so before that, that when it comes to
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women's basketball is Emily Rodriguez, who was a much sought
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after transfer with three years of eligibility left.
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She is going to be a Hawkeye after she transferred from
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Central Florida, had multiple options and she's committed to
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the Hawks. So we'll get that with DACA.
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I do want to go back to his piece on Iowa State.
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I thought it was a phenomenal right to read rather from a
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couple of weeks ago. So Scott Dockerman on college
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football on Iowa, now a little Iowa State that he'll join us at
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the bottom of the hour. Then Matt Snyder kicks off our
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number 2, his normal spot, talking Major League Baseball, 1
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of the more unlikely things of the week.
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The Angels sweep the Dodgers, unbelievable sports.
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We'll get into a baseball topics with our friend Matt Snyder.
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And then Matt Rudy will join us to recap the PGA Snooze fest
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from over the weekend. Alec Bussey normally joins us on
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Monday. He will be our first guest
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tomorrow at 12:30. But Matt, Rudy and Trent and I
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will talk a little PGA and maybe some of the stuff not taking
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place on the on the course itself.
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Rory McIlroy deciding to turn his back on his look, you're one
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of the faces of the sport and I understand you want to talk
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Thursday or maybe Friday. You got to say something and he
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didn't after coming out, oh, within the last year and saying
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that that it should be mandated. It's not.
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He mean he doesn't have to, but you're Rory McIlroy.
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You're the Masters champion. He needed to be heard from.
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I thought that was a bad look of from a guy that seemingly, you
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know, didn't make a lot of hasn't made a lot of missteps.
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My opinion. This was one of them.
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So pretty good sports weekend. We're down to conference finals
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in both basketball and hockey. First time in over a month.
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It's got to be right that we won't have either tonight.
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Yeah. I gotta be that's.
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Crazy it is, but you're exactly right.
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So baseball. Yep, I'm all for it mapping out
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my schedule. Yes, I'm going to watch tonight.
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Get into that. Do you want to talk about the
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WNBA from over the weekend? Can't wait to see the number
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that comes out, the ratings. It wasn't much of A game.
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It was a 35 point blowout as Indiana, boy, they look good.
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They just put it to Chicago in the sky.
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And of course, everybody's talking about the, which
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shouldn't have been a flagrant foul in the officiating.
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And the WNBA picked up right where it left off last year,
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which was in the crapper. My good God a they missed the
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Angel push in the back. Yes, absolutely.
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That that caused Caitlin. What the hell are you looking
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at? And then she realizes that Angel
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Reese is about to miss a lay up and then get a rebound and miss
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it again and then finally make a score because that's how she
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does gets all her stats. It was a hard foul.
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It was a basketball play. Hard foul, that's part of the
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game. You know, it's too bad that you,
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that one of Caitlin's teammates got between them because I would
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have liked to see where it escalated because Angel Reese
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was not going to stop. And that would have been awful
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for her, awful for the league. In a way, I'm glad.
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In a way, let's just cut through all the BS.
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You don't like the woman and that's fine.
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But don't you know, pee on my shoes and tell me it's raining,
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right? But the game itself, this
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Indiana team, if Evers team is really good.
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You know, you brought me to one of the things that I had on my
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list about that is if Leah Boston didn't get her arm in
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there, that would have been awful for both Caitlin and
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obviously Reese. Right, because Caitlin wouldn't
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have seen it coming. Because Reese was behind, not
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just physically. There's our it's a cesspool, you
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know, and I, I've, I've heard this a lot recently.
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You know, you're not on X much anymore.
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I'm not, I'm not because it's awful.
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I can't stand it. I really can't.
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It's the negativity. And I maybe jump on twice a day
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anymore. I mean, it used to be from
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hours. I can't.
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It's too. It's bad for my mental health.
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I can't go there, not for the period that I did.
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But I clicked on one thing that was intriguing.
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I thought that I'm like, yeah, got my gears.
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And then the comments below it and the Angel VS Caitlin, the
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both sides of it, it is hideous. It's not good for me.
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I don't think it's good for a lot of you out there to get in
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to what that back and forth is. It is the lowest of the low.
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It is the lowest common denominator.
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I can't stand it. And because of that, that's why
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I'm not an ex of people wondering.
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That's the reason right there. It's because of that part of it
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that is just so gross to me that I can't, I, I just can't get
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back to it one like I want to. I can't quit.
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It I know you can't. I can't I do try to stay away
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from I I do the 4U more than are the following rather the more
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than the 4U the. 4U is. It's wild.
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It is the Wild West. Anyways, the game itself is what
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we should be talking about. And a triple double to start the
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year just. I mean, of course she did.
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And did Portnoy really have money on it?
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He did, he bet. And you know, I'm glad you I'm
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glad you brought that up because there's been a lot of blowback
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and and look, I'm you and I I think that it may be as much as
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anything, are as open as an honest as to how much it bothers
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us when it's seemingly some info that might be out there that
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might, you know, lead to an unfavorable opinion of betting
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on sports inside info. Hell, who who calls Outback
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Campbell And I would say more than you and I nobody right, And
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it's well within his rules to do that.
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Doesn't mean it's right. And, and sooner rather than
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later, I want to believe that it becomes mandated.
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But it's somebody knows, right? Somebody's got some insight and
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it drives you an eye nuts. And there was a lot of people
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that were pushing back on. Portnoy was talking to one of
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Caitlin's teammates prior to making that bet.
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OK, it's a triple double. Yeah, if it was.
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If it's and and it's. Not that she's going for the
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assist record. Right.
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Or she's not, or she's going to throw.
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She's not going to get what her point tone, whatever it was,
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we'll say it's 20. She was going to make 18, start
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missing shots. She made a triple double.
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That's what he bet on. If it was, she realized that, I
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don't know, the franchise record for points in a opening game was
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28. She's going to, she's going to
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get there, You know, something like that.
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Then a triple double, right? How difficult it is to kit.
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I I looked it up, there's been 40 something in the history of
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the league. Jake's been around for how many
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years did. She have three last year. 2.
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Two, this was her third of her career.
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Yeah, that's what it was. Come on.
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Right. Yes.
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If it was a particular point or you saw her chasing MM, hmm
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then. We'd have and you weren't.
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He wasn't talking to her, he was talking to a teammate.
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Right. I mean, come on, what are we
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doing here? I agree.
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I agree. Anyways, Unbelievable.
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Can't wait to see the numbers for both the Fever game and the
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PGA. Because Trent somebody pointed
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out over the weekend. I wish it could have taken
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credit for it. I wish it would have come up
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with it 'cause it was spotted and it was funny.
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The leaderboard looked like the John Deere Classic at the
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beginning, before Scheffler started to make his run right.
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It looked like a bunch of guys who didn't make the plane for
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the British Open who had to stick around and play in the
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Quad Cities, and it was spot on. And it even ended that way.
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In a lot of ways, yes, it's a good thing Dechambeau and John
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ROM are having a tournament because or at least trying to
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make it close. And they did prompt, to his
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credit, did make it close. Missed a couple of putts.
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But this robot that is Scotty Scheffler.
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I mean, if there was a higher tour, he'd be on it.
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Yes, he's one of one. Yes, he absolutely is.
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And obviously the story that goes along with it, what
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happened a year ago at the PGA Championship, the arrest, you
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would have listed all 176 guys or whoever many were entered
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last year. He'd be 176 on that list.
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Any. Pro athletes that would yes, you
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want to go deeper, You want to go buy the 1000 deep.
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In terms of pro athletes, Scotty Scheffler be at the bottom.
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And yet there he was. And just what an odd morning
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that was. Oh, my God, At first your mind
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goes well, OWI. Yeah.
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Drinking. Yeah.
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That would be the place that certainly my mind went right
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away. That's the only thing.
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Vehicle arrested. And also the timing.
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Didn't know at the time what his tea time was.
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Well, he's out late. And then no sky to get went out
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like that. But all right, how about that
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guy? And then it just keeps going.
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And then he returned to the course and played.
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Yeah. After warming up in his cell.
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After getting ready to play the tournament in his cell.
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So when he doesn't have to do that, he wins a major
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championship by 5 strokes. And it was not compelling.
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It really wasn't. It wasn't interesting.
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No, this I, I don't think it fits in August.
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I don't. I'm going to die on that hill.
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I, I think that we've left golf by that month.
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School is back. A lot of state fairs are taking
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place. It's football season.
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I just don't think that that's the right spot on the calendar
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for it. And I thought up until this year
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that, you know, it's a pretty good fit.
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Trent, It was impossible to watch.
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And to compound things and make things worse, yesterday we were
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complaining about sports. Pinch yourself, you fool.
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The game Seven in the West, Terrible.
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I mean, they were talking about no drama.
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None. It was. 4341 I missed that part.
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I think that was the last time it was felt close, but there was
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that big run by OKC and it just it.
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Was done. It was done.
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Jokic by Game 7. Like, OK, one thing I didn't
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realize until leading up to the game and the reason that I
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jumped on the Nuggets because yeah, Jokic had that great
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stretch in Game 5 down the stretch, even though they lost
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that game. But it felt like OKC had finally
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figured out how to defend him to not just make it difficult to
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him to score, but also his passes that lead to assist those
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kind of things that they were getting there.
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But then I read what Jamal Murray done in his career in
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game sevens. He has 230 plus point games and
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a 40 point plus game in game sevens and I said well.
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You know what, I wonder if that's because I saw so many
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people, so many people that that pros that were grabbing the
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points in this game. It was, it was not a Yokich
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thing for me. It was Murray and what he'd done
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in the past in game seven. He wasn't close to that guy.
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Yesterday, nobody was. Coming off the illness in game
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six, yeah, Christian Brown might have been there.
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Maybe. He was the one.
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What did he finish with? What a disappointing week. 19
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and. Just disappointing for you.
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We'll get to that in a moment too, but just overall, this was
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a weekend that kind of was setting up that this is going to
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be one of those fun ones, but it was just really I.
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Think one of the highlights for me, and this is really fringe
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and I'm sorry, but I want to go there, journalism, This was the
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most, one of the most incredible races I've ever seen a horse
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produce. You're going he.
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Was beaten. You have to fill me in.
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I did not place a bet. I did not see a second.
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I didn't even see a highlight. You've not seen the replay of
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the I have. Seen absolutely nothing of it,
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so you're going to have to help me out on this.
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He is absolutely bottled up at the top of the stretch and
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they're pinning him in and just race riding.
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You're allowed to do that. And journalism decided to bully
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his way between horses. He had a, there were, there were
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two horses side by side. He was right behind them and he
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was going to a tiny little hole, not big enough to get through.
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A, the courage that the horse has and B, the courage that the
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jock has. And I don't know if he closed
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his eyes or whatever, but just to put him in that spot.
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And then the jostling began to a point where I thought, Oh my
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God, one of them's going down. By this time the horse that was
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leading the race, the 9 horse Gosper, I think's his name, had
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gotten away. I mean, he was he was opening up
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because of all of this chaos behind him, journalism finally
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got through the hole with maybe, I don't know, an eighth of a
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mile to run, maybe a little bit more furlong is is an eighth of
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a mile, maybe a maybe 3, about a furlong to run.
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Had no business catching this horse, no business whatsoever,
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and somehow reached down with himself and got up right on the
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wire to win. This was the favorite in the
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Kentucky Derby. Finished second in the Kentucky
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Derby. But to see a horse with the
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heart to do what he did when he was beaten at the top of the
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stretch hopelessly, had no chance only to find a way to do
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it. I couldn't tell you.
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I'm impressed and I've seen a million of them.
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This was really impressive. Let's take a listen to call
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from. And this, you know what?
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I'm glad you said this because we killed Larry Comas after the
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Rich Strike call, which went down as oh, what a terrific
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call. It was an awful call.
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You didn't say Rich Strike's name once in the in the previous
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6 1/2 furlongs. You can't do that.
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This call made-up for it. I thought it was great
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journalism. It's getting closer.
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Now He's behind a wall of worthwhile godsters running the
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race of his life. And Sandman has entered the
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scene and he has moved up with a fur outside.
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Journalism is still running. No, he's back in the second.
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He might even win it. There's wire.
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Oh my goodness. Journalism has won the break,
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the stakes in a performance like you read about.
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Wow. Truly was.
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So that is, I'm not joking. That is the first time I saw
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that. Holy crap that was incredible.
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It really was. You just told me what was going
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to happen. I didn't know if you had a puff
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before he came in today because I'm watching.
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What Ken just laid out is impossible for it to happen and.
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Then it just did. It was amazing.
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Wow, it truly was is I'll watch his career.
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I mean, the Derby winter passed. I, I, I had no feelings for this
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horse beforehand. I didn't bet him in the Derby
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because he was a favorite and I won't, but wow, what a race.
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So that was maybe the highlight for me the whole weekend.
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That was incredible journalism. Now going forward, a second
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place in the Derby, a dominating comeback victory.
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Much the best. This is going to be the next
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stud horse. This is going to be the next.
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Yeah, I think this will. Because he got bloodlines and
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kind of everything. You know what, I think he's
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well, I pretty, I'm sure he's pretty well bred to to play to
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play at that level. But yeah, I'm going to I don't
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know if he'll come back in three weeks for the Belmont Stakes.
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If he does, I'll bet against him if because he'll be the faith.
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And if he would come back and hit the board, I mean, what,
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what next level does that take? After the Triple Crown, John Q
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Public or just kind of fades off, right?
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The Derby is the race that, you know, if you're going to watch
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one race, here's the Derby. But he'll end up in a Breeders'
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Cup and who knows where he'll go.
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But my God, what an effort. I I the reason I I'm just kind
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of it just is always intriguing to me because so many of these
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horses you hear the name again and then.
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They're gone. But if yeah.
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But if he puts together a resume, does something special
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at the Belmont and then heads out there to what, California?
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Well, he'll go to the he'll stay in New York, probably go to the
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Traverse Stakes. Traverse yeah, but he he puts
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together something special where he was second because of that
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terrible start in the and then came back and won the 2nd and
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3rd jewels of the Trimble crown. If this becomes more than just
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Oh yeah, I remember that name. If there is a little bit more
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there's it feels like there's that opportunity.
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Maybe it's just the the high. I just got to watch it those
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last 30 seconds. If you haven't watched it, even
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if you don't like the sport, just watch this just to gain
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appreciation for what this this 4 legged athlete did hockey from
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over the weekend. The Leafs be down their leg yet
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again. It's a rite of spring.
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The Florida Panthers, to me, I don't know, they just look like
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they're the best team. I think you know what I honestly
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though I can make a case for all four of the remaining teams, but
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Florida just looks as though they've elevated their game.
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I think this year's team is better than the team that won
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the Stanley Cup last year. They'll get Carolina, who's a
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really good team in their own right.
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Meanwhile, the Stars, who knocked off The Jets on Saturday
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night in what was it just a phenomenal hockey game.
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It really was. I, I was, I was more gutted by
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this team than I think any other Jets.
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This is my favorite Jets team of all time.
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I really believe that they were for me and Mark Schiffly's
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father passing away the night me the the the night of the game.
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When he put that in to make it 1, nothing we were watching at
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the time and appropriate, right, I was explaining to my wife and
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why are we watching hockey? Well, it's Ken's jets.
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OK, then she's OK with it. Then secondly, and I explained
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that story and just of course he did.
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He was going to score a goal. So impactful and kind of pulled
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up. Well, of course I found out
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that's not going to hold up. Well, you know how you mean.
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And ironically, he was in the penalty box when the
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game-winning goal was scored, which is, you know, kind of a,
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another gut punch. But it was a great series.
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I was glad Connor Halibuck played well on the road.
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I really was. And he did.
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I mean the, the winning goal, he was completely screened.
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The the first goal of the game was just a, it's just a great
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hockey play, just a phenomenal shot by a goal scorer bar down,
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hit the crossbar and went in the back of the net.
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So neither one of the goals were hit.
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His fault. Can't say that about the first
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series. They they go through the
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playoffs without winning a road game and ultimately met their
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demise. But it was a fun ride for my
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squad and I enjoyed each and every one of the 82 Live our
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regular season and playoff games and now we get stars and oil.
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So the Stars are a team that I've got to know quite a bit
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throughout the last couple of years, seeing them in playoff
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series, often against some of our regional teams and of course
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against your Jets here. A question that I had about them
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going forward is they got a behemoth now.
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And that first line for obviously the Oilers, Jake
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Gottinger, he's a Minnesota kid. What I I asked this, 'cause I
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really don't have. Is he a top half of the league
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goalie? Top 10 goalie?
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I think he's, I think he's stamped himself as that.
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So you go back to the Four Nations.
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He was the unite, He was the US backup goalie, Hellebuck, our
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goalie, Jess goalie was the number one goalie, Ottinger.
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So we're going to get to the Olympics when February and the
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NHL players are playing in the Olympics this year.
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So this is going to be AI think is it going to be Ottinger?
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Is it going to be Hollabuck? And if it's based on what we saw
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this last couple of weeks, but there's no decision, it's Jake
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Ottinger. He played Ottinger.
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Playing games in Winnipeg? No.
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No, Ottinger was incredible, but boy, oh boy, this this Edmonton
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team, they're they're tough, but some of the stars this is going
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to be these both of these conference championships.
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We're going to try and get Joe O'Donnell on tomorrow to help us
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outbreak them down prior to prior to game one of the east
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tomorrow. Really, really good.
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So let's go back to the NBA for just a second.
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Just your just your thoughts. Do you give T Wolves a chance?
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They're a big that's a big price.
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I was surprised. Much bigger than I anticipated.
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It's something that I think we talked about.
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It started the beginning of the playoffs.
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I don't think in general us casual NBA people or people that
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jump in the spring realize how dominating they were and the T
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Wolves are going to win. And it's crazy. 4141, first two
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series, you dominate the Lakers, you dominate A banked up
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Warriors team and they're going to have to play so much better
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offensively if they're going to have a prayer.
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I'll push in this thing and get into game six in the Target
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Center and then potentially a Game 7 back in OKC because.
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They're not beating OKC in five. I don't think so.
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Is that going 555? No, that's not what this is
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going to be. We're not going to see that.
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So because of it, it's about lengthening out the series.
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So impressed. We talked about game seven, what
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OKC and that's what I'm learning about this team is the depth
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that they have and what they do defensively.
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There are so many different ways that they can go in and the
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other Williams, the the second one that they have, the guy
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plays 15 minutes a game. It's just the amount of depth
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that this squad has. They're built different because
20:37
that's not the T Wolves. They're 7 deep.
20:39
That's it. That's what they are.
20:41
This is going to be a deeper team.
20:43
I think it's going to come down to Mcdaniel's going to have to
20:46
have a game where he is knocks down 53 pointers.
20:49
Nas Reed's going to have to win a game where he has 28 points
20:52
and six three-point. That's what's going to happen in
20:54
my mind for this to happen. They're going to bottle up and
20:57
he's going to get frustrated. That's going to be difficult.
21:00
Julius Randall's not going to be able to do it what he did.
21:02
Well, he's going to have to Trent.
21:03
That's kind of how I see it. And I like you say, I don't know
21:08
if he can. What's the series price over 5
21:11
1/2 games? Over 5 1/2 games, Let's go.
21:15
The series price right now, if you're rooting for the T Wolves,
21:19
you you get +3, you get $3. Which is wild.
21:23
It really is. You have to lay 365 at circa if
21:27
you're betting OK C. We got exact results here I'm
21:30
going through all the prop menu yeah series price 3 to one for
21:33
the T walls, which is wild series result.
21:37
No, that's exact result. Total games here we go over.
21:40
So they have just right now listed at circa, they have over
21:44
6 1/2 get into a Game 7 + 250. Do we get to a Game 7?
21:51
I hope so. That would be wonderful.
21:54
Well, I I take the T wolves just finishing up in six personally,
21:56
but. That'd be better, Yeah.
21:58
I don't know. We'll see where it goes, but
22:01
we're down to four in the NBA. We're down to four in the NHL.
22:06
Speaking of those series prices, T Wolves 3 to 1.
22:11
It's a little tighter than I thought it'd be with the Knicks
22:13
and the Pacers. Knicks -160 Pacers plus 140.
22:18
I was hoping to get more in that close to 2 to 1 range you.
22:22
Thought the Pacers. You thought there'd be that Much
22:24
appreciation for the Knicks. I did.
22:26
I was. Maybe I was more hopeful because
22:28
I knew like the Pacers going into the series.
22:30
And when did they start Their Wednesday?
22:32
Yes. Do you think maybe you hold out
22:37
because we're talking about a public team and you think the
22:39
money will come in on New York? I would anticipate that's the
22:41
case. Yeah, that's one that.
22:42
It might go up a TIF or two. I mean, it's never going to get
22:45
to what you were hoping, no. I'm not going to get that plus
22:47
180 I was looking for. Maybe 160?
22:50
That'd probably be the high. Watermark.
22:51
I think it would be too. I think it would be too.
22:54
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We'll bounce around a lot of topics with Doc.
23:33
Some college football stuff. By the way, you're wearing your
23:36
Clemson Tigers had today. You know, the more I'm because
23:39
I'm starting to get into brushing up on college football,
23:42
starting to spend some time on it.
23:46
I liked him a couple of months ago.
23:47
Yeah, I'm really starting to like them even more.
23:50
Well, you're not going to get the price that we got.
23:51
It's already dropped. I saw it was 15 to one at one of
23:54
the shops. It's 12.
23:55
It's circa. It's five.
23:56
Yes, if Circa's got the worst price on them, well, they've.
23:59
Been taking some. Absolutely had to have.
24:01
The Tigers are going to be a pain in the you know what?
24:03
Well, in the ACC. They're in the right conference.
24:06
Absolutely. There's no depth there.
24:07
We saw it a year ago. You can go 11 and 2 and still
24:10
get in. They're going to be in good
24:12
shape. I think so too.
24:13
With it very well, a very real possibility they're going to
24:17
have one of those buys and as we saw last year, you get the right
24:20
path, it can open up or. And we'll talk to Doc about
24:24
this. Maybe those buys are those
24:25
automatic buys aren't going to be there this this December once
24:30
we get to the College Football Playoff.
24:32
Not this year. This year's locked in.
24:33
I thought it was. I thought it's back on the table
24:35
if everybody votes for it. I that's not how I read it.
24:39
I heard that was a. 2020. 26, we got 12 for this year.
24:45
I know we got 12 but I thought that well maybe I read it wrong
24:49
then. Well, regardless, Scott Docker.
24:51
Will figure he'll he'll be the deciding vote.
24:52
He actually does he. Does we'll talk with a lot of
24:55
topics with Doc that's coming up next.
24:57
Miller and Condon again the keyword is bills.
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It's the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
25:09
Hi welcome back Miller and Condon just passed 12:30 on a
25:13
Monday. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
25:15
Network. Scott Doctorman from the
25:17
Athletic, he joins. It's been a couple of weeks
25:19
since we've spoken with docs. We're going to go back to, you
25:23
know, shed some more light on that Iowa State story that he
25:26
wrote. Just a phenomenal piece, Doc.
25:27
I'm anxious to talk to you about that.
25:29
But I want to start with the with the here and now news that
25:34
Jan Jensen's program got by all accounts a pretty big commit
25:39
earlier this morning. Emily Rodriguez with three years
25:42
of eligibility comes over to Iowa.
25:45
Doc, for whatever reason, I thought maybe the honeymoon
25:48
might wear off just a shade that the numbers going to be tough to
25:51
pack the building again this year as they did last year. 2
25:55
years for move from #22 But it looks as though maybe that's not
25:59
going to be the case whatsoever as this roster continues to take
26:02
shape. And there certainly seems like
26:04
the interest, at least at this point from where I sit, is not
26:07
waning. In Iowa women's basketball, I
26:11
would say that, you know, there seems to be still some major
26:15
interest and you know, they've got they've got significant
26:17
turnover as we know. I I think you lose, you know,
26:20
when you lose somebody to the WNBA and Lucy Olsen and Sydney
26:24
falter and and a few others. I I think, you know, you've got
26:27
to expect that there to be growing pains again.
26:30
And yet, but I think by replenishing their roster the
26:33
way they have and adding the players at the same time, when
26:37
you have chitchat right command from Georgia Tech at the point
26:41
guard position and then you add in Emily Rodriguez, who is a Big
26:45
12 on the ball. Big 12 freshman team averaged
26:47
about 12 points a game. I think you're looking at Iowa,
26:51
you know, maintaining its place as a probable NCAA tournament
26:55
team. So I, I think they've, they've
26:57
done a nice job in the, in the portal.
27:01
You of course don't cover women's basketball in the WNBA,
27:05
but I know you keep a close eye on it, Doc here and you talk
27:08
throughout the years. Were you watching Saturday and
27:10
and the blowback from Angel versus Caitlin once once again?
27:14
And boy, if if there was an actual punch there, how ugly
27:17
that would have been for the league.
27:19
Yeah, that was that was a tough, tough moment.
27:23
It, it just to me, I think it just shows the, the anti Caitlin
27:28
Clark, you know, the, the hate almost, I think it's fair to say
27:32
from Angel Reese, because if anybody else would have done
27:35
that, she would have walked it off.
27:36
It wouldn't have only been a common foul.
27:38
Of course, it's only her reaction that that influenced
27:41
the, the flagrant. It was not a flagrant foul at
27:45
all. I don't know what, what they're
27:47
thinking or, or whatever. And then, you know, I, I'm very
27:51
interested in seeing what gets discussed or, you know, found
27:56
out as far as the, you know, what was yelled or or allegedly
28:00
yelled at the players from the Indiana fans, because we've
28:04
heard this before and you know it.
28:07
If it happens, great. It needs to be said exactly what
28:11
was said to those players. If it didn't then there needs to
28:13
be repercussions from that too because I think good fan base is
28:16
getting blindsided with negative attention and and it needs to be
28:20
proven that they said something. Absolutely, Doc I want to go
28:23
back. It's been a couple of weeks
28:24
since it was published at the athletic, but you're long form
28:27
and you're such a great long form writer.
28:29
You really are You're you're look inside Iowa State and where
28:33
it was and what it's come through what it's had to go
28:35
through and what lies ahead. Doc again, I'm I'm sure it was
28:41
well received by by Iowa State fans who, you know, just love
28:46
the fact that when you you guys do publish something over there.
28:50
But this was a great read and I thought that there was some you
28:53
know some stuff that maybe following it over the years you
28:56
tend to forget that you brought back to light.
28:59
Well done Scott Dachman, good piece.
29:01
Guessing was well. Received Yeah.
29:03
Thanks so much. And it was, you know, it was
29:06
something I worked on for a while and and I really
29:08
appreciate it all the time that people gave me, you know,
29:11
brothers bad and Bill was great because he spans the entire, you
29:17
know, 3 decades of kind of when I focused on this and and of
29:20
course, Jamie Pollard was fantastic as always. 2 And I
29:23
think what it speaks to Iowa State is that when you look back
29:27
at the end of the Big Eight and beginning of the Big 12, there
29:30
was a scary period for Iowa State because they were in, you
29:34
know, financial distress and also were kind of given a while.
29:37
They were given a mandate. They had to boost spending to
29:40
become Title 9 compliant. So you had to remove a lot of
29:44
money and spend a lot of money. And and really there were some
29:48
key focus, key people along the way.
29:51
Dan McCartney being at the very forefront.
29:53
But then also, I think Jamie Pollard is the most instrumental
29:56
athletic figure in in Iowa State history.
29:58
The way he's been able to to build that and then to look at
30:01
it today. And and the challenges are still
30:03
immense. The challenges are still there.
30:05
They're going to have to deal with those on a consistent
30:07
basis. But if nothing.
30:09
Else they're, they're proven that they can compete in the Big
30:13
12 and they can fill that vacuum that's left behind by Oklahoma
30:17
and, and Texas and, and, but there's a ton of other schools
30:21
that feel the same way. So it's going to be an ongoing
30:23
process, But with the the athletic department in place,
30:26
the way they have it, with the coaches that they have, Iowa
30:29
State is going to be a very competitive program for years to
30:32
come. And that's really just the way
30:34
they grew it, the way they grew it organically and put
30:37
themselves in that position to where Iowa State today is, is
30:40
just lights, you know, night and day from where it was in 1995.
30:45
Doc, when you look at the challenges going forward for
30:47
Iowa State and, and most of the Big 12 programs that are there,
30:51
you're not going to be able to financially compete with the SEC
30:54
in the Big 10, but you still want to be able to compete
30:57
obviously in the football field, but in other places as well.
31:00
How do you do that knowing that the money is going to be
31:02
different for every Big 12 program out there?
31:05
I think it's not that dissimilar to how, you know, maybe the
31:10
second tier financial, second tier of the Big 10 hopes to
31:13
compete with the upper tier. You know, whether it's a
31:15
Wisconsin and Iowa, Michigan State, they've never been able
31:18
to to mount, whether it's history, tradition, resources,
31:23
you know, whatever to compete on an even playing field with Ohio
31:27
State and Michigan. It's just never happened.
31:29
So what they do, they do well. And I think that's the lesson
31:31
that that, you know, developmental programs, Iowa
31:34
State being among them, you know, in Oklahoma State, Kansas
31:37
State and some of the others can can build on that.
31:39
I mean #1 one, you have an access point to get into the
31:42
playoff. That is something that they that
31:45
they need to have. And they do have, I think #2
31:48
what you look at is can you compete for that, that point?
31:52
And once you get into it, can you win games in the tournament?
31:56
And I think that they're capable of doing that against comparable
31:59
teams. It's just can they win a
32:01
national title? That's going to be awfully
32:02
difficult, but it is for a lot of teams.
32:04
So I think that financially, as long as they can compete in that
32:09
arena for, for good talent and put themselves in that stage,
32:13
they're fine. The problem Iowa State faces and
32:16
is that, you know, where they are, they are located.
32:18
They've got 6 Big 10 schools either inside their border or on
32:22
their border, plus an SEC team to the South.
32:25
And they all have more resources than Iowa State because of their
32:27
media rights contract. That's going to that's an uphill
32:30
climb. But Iowa State has done such a
32:32
remarkable job of, you know, engineering, again, an organic
32:36
fan base that really came through and has come through for
32:39
them. I would expect them to continue
32:41
to compete, you know, above their weight class and, and put
32:45
up a good fight. And, and basketball is going to
32:47
be an area where I think the Big 12 could still be a giant.
32:50
Doc, the College Football Playoff, Any, any will there be?
32:55
Is there a chance? I guess we'll put it that way
32:57
because it seemed like at the beginning of the year there was
33:00
no chance that there was going to be any tweaks to the to the
33:03
seating once the playoff rolls around here in January.
33:06
Now, I thought, and apparently I read it wrong, that there is
33:10
still an opportunity with, with another meeting still to come
33:14
with the with the powers it be that if they all get in the line
33:17
and all vote the same way that we could get changes early as
33:22
this year or is it as early as next year?
33:24
Do you know? For the seeding, it can happen
33:27
this year and that there seems to be some momentum to that it
33:31
would for the, but there won't be any changes as far as you
33:34
know the number of participants that feel like you know there
33:37
is. We're on 12.
33:39
Yeah, we're going to be on 12 this year, but it could be to
33:41
the seeding. So you're going to get the four
33:43
number four ranked teams as opposed to the four top
33:47
champions. I think that's probably
33:49
something that is going to happen.
33:51
But then, you know, in 26, that's where there's a lot of
33:55
discussion. I, I expect 16 to probably end
33:58
up being the number. You know, there won't.
34:01
And whether or not that means that there's going to be, you
34:04
know, the big, Big 10 and SEC will be guaranteed four teams,
34:08
the Big 12 and ACC 2. And then, you know, and then AG5
34:12
gets a team and then the rest will be up to at large.
34:15
I, I think that remains to be determining the final numbers.
34:18
But overall, you know, this year, yeah, I think there's a
34:21
strong possibility that it ends up being a seated turbo.
34:25
So there's been so much talk about Big 10, if they do get
34:28
those four teams to get the conference championship game,
34:31
the three seed against the 6A4 versus the five winner of those
34:34
two games, obviously get a bid then into the College Football
34:37
Playoff. My question for you, Doc, is
34:39
outside of seating purposes, what's the incentive in that Big
34:43
10 championship game? The number one and #2 teams are
34:45
already going to be in. Yes, there might be an easier
34:49
path, but we don't know that until the bracket is set.
34:51
What's going to be the incentive in a 16 team bracket for those
34:55
conference championship games for the Big 10 and also the SEC?
35:00
When you look at it, you know, on paper, I guess that's the way
35:04
we're kind of observing this. It's that you want to, you know,
35:07
have a higher seed. You know, if you're, you know,
35:10
let's say you're Penn State versus Ohio State, you know, the
35:13
winner could be the number one or #2 overall seed and you're
35:15
playing the 16 or the 15. There's some significant
35:18
incentive to have that versus being the five and playing the
35:21
12 or 6 playing the 11. But one thing that we always
35:26
forget about is that they are competitors.
35:29
They do not want to lose. They do not want to lose the
35:31
teams that they consider rivals or teams they may face later on.
35:34
And when you get to that situation and you can hoist that
35:37
trophy, that is a major motivator.
35:39
So whether or not it matters, you know, from a big picture
35:44
standpoint the way it once did, you know that that remains to be
35:47
determined. But I tell you what, when when
35:48
these athletes get on the field and they've been working and
35:51
sweating and bleeding all these years, they that competitiveness
35:56
takes over in those games. So and being able to be a Big 10
36:00
champion is still a big deal. So same thing with all the
36:03
conferences. So that that's my expectation.
36:05
What will happen when the music expansions take place?
36:08
Doc, as I told Trent earlier, started to dive in just a little
36:12
bit to college football just to kind of refresh memory, you
36:15
know, you know, with all the sports that come and go and, and
36:19
it just started, it was looking at the Big 10.
36:21
And it dawned on me that, you know, what the hell has happened
36:23
to Wisconsin, right? That this used to be a school
36:26
that, you know, they're a Pence. Maybe there are nots below,
36:29
probably Michigan or Ohio State, but you know, they're in the
36:33
Penn State type of realm. What has happened to Wisconsin?
36:39
Is this a blip? Yeah, no, it's not a blip.
36:42
And this is what you have to be careful of if you're a school in
36:46
that secondary. Well, heck, even the first year,
36:48
look at how long it took Michigan, you know from when,
36:52
you know, before Jim Harbaugh took over after Lloyd Carr
36:54
retired, you know, it was an 8 year period where they were
36:56
really a lost program. Penn State was lucky it had
36:59
James Franklin and and Bill O'Brien.
37:01
Otherwise it could have been same boat.
37:02
But but when you're in Wisconsin, you you've got to
37:06
maintain what you do well, you've got to keep your
37:09
identity. And they took their eyes off the
37:11
prize when they went to Luke Fickle.
37:12
And Luke Fickle wanted to to impose, you know, he wanted to
37:16
make an air raid attack on offense.
37:18
Well, what you've got to be careful of is not straying too
37:22
far from your identity, which at Wisconsin they have big people
37:25
that people blow people off the ball and you run the football.
37:29
The only thing missing in that for that program back in, you
37:32
know, I don't know, 16 to 19 ERA sometimes like that was a
37:36
quality quarterback was a winning quarterback.
37:39
They had caretakers and that was about it.
37:41
But what they would have had a, you know, the top, the big all
37:46
big 10 caliber quarterbacks, they would have been a playoff
37:48
team and and a four team era. So they strayed way too far from
37:52
it. And and it's not just offense.
37:54
I mean, their offensive numbers were, were pathetic, but their
37:57
defenses were they really have fallen off.
38:01
And when they one of the hallmarks of them was they, they
38:04
were so gap sound and you know, they could throw so many
38:08
different things at you as a, you know, for about 3-4
38:11
perspective where they were also looking more like a 425 was that
38:15
they always got to their gap. They were always athletic and
38:18
and they stopped you every single time and put you in 3rd
38:21
and long. And then they had guys like TJ
38:23
Watt who could bust you off the edge.
38:26
They have strayed in every facet.
38:28
They are not technically sound. They their defense is a shell of
38:33
itself. And offensively, I mean, they're
38:36
in the hundreds in a lot of categories.
38:37
If it wasn't for, you know, in fact, they averaged five points
38:41
worse per game than Iowa did last year.
38:43
People don't think about that, but it's true.
38:45
So they they've got a lot of work to do.
38:48
And I think they're going to try to get back to the basics of
38:50
running the football and and be playing more physically.
38:53
But I don't know, your three teams pass you by, and it's a
38:57
lesson for Iowa to me that once Kirk does retire, at some point
39:03
you stray too far. You could fall really quick and
39:06
it's hard to get up, especially in this good Big 10 that we've
39:08
got seen right now. Scott Dockerman.
39:10
Doc would great stuff my friend. Thank you.
39:12
We will track you down next week if your schedule allows.
39:14
Thank you, Scott Dockerman. All right, have a good one you.
39:17
Do the same Scott Dockerman from The Athletic Come back, finish
39:20
up our #1 Miller and Condon Iowa Sports Radio Network.
39:35
Hi, Millory Condon, welcome back.
39:37
Final couple of minutes, first hour of the program.
39:42
We may be on the cusp of the tush push being banned from the
39:46
NFL tomorrow. The NFL owners are meeting and
39:49
apparently, I mean, this is what it's come to.
39:51
It's it's on the agenda to be voted yay or nay.
39:54
Will it be allowed to go forward as a play in the NFL starting
39:59
this year? Do you want a con?
40:03
I mean, it's a play. It's not a real play, though.
40:06
I like, I hate it. It's not aesthetically pleasing.
40:09
No, it's not that you're better. It's just you found a player
40:12
that does it better than anybody.
40:14
You had a center who's not retired.
40:16
And they're still doing it well. And they're still doing it well.
40:19
But it's not a football play. It's it's a cheat code.
40:24
It's a tweak. It it's a glitch in the system,
40:27
Get rid of the glitch. Get rid of the glitch, take it
40:30
out of the game. Yeah, I guess that that won't
40:33
bother me either way. If you want a quarterback sneak,
40:35
you can still quarterback sneak. Yep, Yep.
40:37
You just get pushed from behind. I'm a OK with that.
40:40
Yeah. Will that change anything else?
40:43
Will the offensive lineman still be allowed to push?
40:45
I hope not, just get it all out. You can't pull.
40:48
Right. Let's just get go back to what
40:49
it was supposed to be, even though some Reggie Bush well,
40:53
and it was actually rule at that time too.
40:55
It was, yeah. It just wasn't flagged at that
40:56
time. No, look the other way on that
40:58
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