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Tamla Horsford: Was Her Sleepover Death Really an Accident? A Forensic Astrology Investigation · The Star Witness

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: The Star Witness discusses real cases using publicly available information and astrological interpretation.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: Any theories discussed are presented as theories and personal interpretations only.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing in this podcast is intended to accuse, implicate, or suggest that any person committed a crime or was responsible for the events discussed unless that information has been established by official records or legal proceedings.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say something that might ruffle some feathers, but I don't care.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't think good things come from sleepovers.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if you're seven years old or fifty-seven years old.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: There's just something about spending the night in someone else's house that never sat right with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, think about it.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: You're in an unfamiliar place surrounded by people whose habits, routines, and personal lives you don't necessarily know as well as you think you do.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Eventually everyone goes to bed, the lights go out, and you're supposed to just relax and fall asleep.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean maybe I'm just being a little paranoid, but I never understood the appeal.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that brings me to the case of Tamla Horsford.
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  SPEAKER_02: On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 40-year-old Tamla Horsford attended what was supposed to be a fun adults only, women only birthday sleepover in Cumming, Georgia.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: The birthday party was being held at the home of someone named Jean Myers.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know it sounds like John, but it's actually Jean as in J E A N N E.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, she was turning 45 years old, and many of the women who were coming to this party knew each other from their children's football league.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: They were gonna have some drinks, they were gonna watch football, they were gonna play some games, and they were all gonna spend the night there so they can get drunk and nobody had to worry about driving home.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: But by the following morning, Tamla would be found dead in the backyard.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: The explanation that emerged from the people at the party was that Tamla had apparently fallen from the balcony during the night.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: John called 911 that morning and suggested to the dispatcher that Tamla might have fallen from the balcony.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: She then handed the phone to her boyfriend Jose Barrera, who described Tamla's condition.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing nobody at the party actually reported seeing Tamla fall.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody reported hearing it happen either.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Investigators eventually ruled her death an accident, but what really happened during those hours when nobody was watching?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let's ask the stars.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because every moment has a chart and every chart has a story.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Star Witness.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Macy Murdoch, also known as Spacey Macy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Give me a mystery, a timestamp, and a birth chart, and you probably won't hear from me for the next three days.
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  SPEAKER_02: Part 1 The Case.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now let's get into today's case and talk about what happened with Tamala.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tamala was born on October 10th, 1978 in St.
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  SPEAKER_02: Vincent and the Grenadines, a beautiful island nation in the Caribbean.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: When she was 11, her family moved to the Bronx in New York.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: She eventually made her way to Florida, where she met her husband, Leander Hirstford, whom everyone called Lee.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: Lee already had a young daughter when they met, and Tamla welcomed her into her life as her own.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Together the couple went on and had five sons, so she was a mother of six.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: And a few years before her death, her family relocated from Florida to Cumming, Georgia after Lee accepted a job opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tamla was an incredibly involved mother.
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  SPEAKER_02: Her boys were active in sports, especially football, and she was known for showing up with their games with a megaphone, cheering them on from the sidelines.
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  SPEAKER_02: She also volunteered at their schools and loved cooking for her family.
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  SPEAKER_02: She loved dancing, laughing, having fun, and meeting new people.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: Her friends and family described her as outgoing and generous, and she was the kind of person who made everyone around her feel welcome.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: Her mother even described how wherever Tamla lived, her home became the place where neighbors and their children just naturally gathered.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: When the family settled in Georgia, Tamala started making friends through her son's football league.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: These were the other moms that she would see at games and practices and activities through the seasons.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's how she became acquainted with Jean Myers, the woman who would eventually invite Tamila to her 45th birthday sleepover in November of 2018.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna bring race into the story because I think it's important in understanding the circumstances surrounding Tamala's death.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Tamala was a black woman, and at this sleepover, she was the only black person in a house full of acquaintances.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna loosely refer to them as her friends, and I say friends in air quotes, because as we get further into the story, you'll understand why I'm hesitant to use that word.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I also want to tell you something about where this sleepover took place because the history of this particular county is disturbing.
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  SPEAKER_02: The party was held in Forsyth County, Georgia, a place with a long and troubling history of racism.
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  SPEAKER_02: For example, in 1912, white residents violently drove over a thousand black people from the county, forcing families to abandon their homes, businesses, and properties.
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  SPEAKER_02: For decades afterwards, Forsai County was known as a sundown county, where black people faced intimidation and threats simply for just entering or being in this one area.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this wasn't some distant chapter of American history either.
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  SPEAKER_02: As recently as 1987, civil rights demonstrators faced violent opposition when they marched through Vorsill County to protest its racial exclusion.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when we talk about Tamla being the only black person at the sleepover, I think it's also important to understand the racial history of this community surrounding the house.
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  SPEAKER_02: This was a place where within living memory, black people had been made to feel like they don't belong.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about the party that night.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: The sleepover was held at the home of Jean Myers, who was celebrating her 45th birthday.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Two other football moms named Stacy Smith and Nicole Lawson helped organize the party and send out invitations.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: Here's also something important about Tamala's relationship with Jean.
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  SPEAKER_02: They only met a few months earlier, around August or September 2018, when their son started playing football together.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: According to Jean's own interview, most of their interactions had been at Saturday football games.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_02: The first time that Tamala hung out with them was a week before at a pumpkin carving gathering at John's house with her children.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: So while they were friendly, they were still kind of getting to know each other.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: Why have a sleepover instead of a regular birthday party?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the explanation was simple, according to John.
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  SPEAKER_02: The woman wanted to drink without worrying about driving home afterwards.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: But it makes me think, what about Uber?
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  SPEAKER_02: Was that a thing in coming, Georgia, just six years ago?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now also remember that this party was supposed to be a girls only sleepover.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: But two men ended up being at the house too and spending the night.
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  SPEAKER_02: Neither of them were supposed to be part of that party.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: The first guy's name was Jose Barrera, and that was John Myers' boyfriend.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now John was celebrating her 45th birthday, and I want to throw it out there that Jose was only 27 years old.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's an 18-year age gap which caught my attention.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: The second man's name was Thomas Smith, the husband of Stacy Smith, who was one of the women at the party who helped organize it.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Now, according to Jose, these two men were originally planning on spending the evening somewhere else, but Jose said he wasn't feeling particularly well, and he didn't feel like spending money going out.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: So instead he went to his girlfriend's party, not feeling well, and hanging out in the basement.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, noted.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: Thomas also had a reason for not wanting to stay at his own house.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Stacy's sister, his wife, was having friends over that evening.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: I guess Thomas and Stacy lived with Stacy's sister who was having a gathering.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, noted.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: So these men decided to stay at John's house and watch the football game as well, but in their finished basement and away from the women's party upstairs.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's another person who lives in that basement who I want to introduce.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: John's aunt named Madeline Lombardi.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: She was 63 years old and she lived in a little apartment in the basement of the house.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Now here's the picture.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: We have the women celebrating John's birthday upstairs.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: We have two men watching football in the basement, and John's aunt living in the basement also.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a story set, but it turns out that the men did not stay downstairs the entire evening.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Surprise, surprise.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: According to their accounts, Jose and Thomas eventually came upstairs around halftime to get some food and birthday cake, and they ended up hanging out there with the rest of the group.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: Tamala showed up to the party around 8 30 in the evening.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: She actually got there a little late because she didn't want to go to the party until she made dinner for her husband and kids and made them breakfast the following morning that they could just throw in the oven.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that says a lot about the kind of woman she was.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: She brought an overnight bag and a bottle of tequila from Mexico as a birthday gift for Jean.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: These girls were being really rude about the tequila.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like when Tamala gave it to Jean, she opened it up, she's like, Ooh, I don't drink tequila.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: And the girls were like, Yeah, we don't drink tequila.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was kind of rude and messed up because these girls are drinkers, and Tamala literally went to Mexico and brought them back this fancy bottle.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: They could have at least said, Oh thank you, or maybe tried it, but instead they were doing fireball shots and blueberry vodka shots.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, noted.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Then shortly after arriving, Tamila changed into a white pajama onesie covered in little paw prints.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: According to the guests in all the interviews, Tamila was in a great mood at the party.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: She was laughing and socializing and having a great time.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: They watched that LSU versus Alabama football game, they ate gumbo and they drank and then they drank.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Since John and the other party members would only drink like their blueberry vodka and fireball shots, Tamila ended up drinking the tequila herself.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: And when investigators examined the bottle the following morning, there was like a lot of it gone.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: But also at the same time, Tamala's husband said that Tamila could really hold her alcohol.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: When he learned about how much she drank, he's like, Oh, she's fine.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Despite how much tequila was missing, the other guests constantly described Tamala as happy and energetic and relatively composed.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Several either identified another woman at the party, Jennifer, as the person who was really drunk that night.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Throughout the evening, Tamala would go out to the back deck to smoke cigarettes.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Also at one point, we know that she was smoking marijuana, and according to witness accounts, Jean confronted her about it, saying that her boyfriend Jose, who's in the house, works for the county court system, he might be like a parole officer or something, and said it wasn't appropriate for her to smoke weed in their house, so they stopped.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a story that John gave.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Other guests also spent time outside with Tamala, including John's aunt Madeline, who did come up to the party, and Stacy Smith.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: The men joined the women upstairs, and everyone started playing the game Cards Against Humanity.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: At that point there are photographs and videos from the party showing everyone laughing and dancing and drinking and enjoying themselves.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Tamala also spoke with members of her family over FaceTime that night.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: According to the guests, there were no major arguments or confrontations.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone seemed to be getting along.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: As the night approached one o'clock in the morning, people started getting ready for bed.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Jean later told the investigators that Tamla wanted everyone to stay up longer.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was enjoying the company of the other women so much, and she loved the chance of having a night away from her usual responsibilities at home.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Jean and Jose eventually went upstairs to bed while the other guests either settled in their rooms or left him at home.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: By approximately one hundred forty five in the morning, Tamla was downstairs with another party member named Bridget Fuller, who was downstairs waiting for her husband to pick her up.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now this is alleged and according to Bridget, but Tamla was sitting down there eating a bowl of gumbo and the two women were talking.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: Bridget was saying how much Tamla loved her as a person, and when Bridget's husband arrived, Tamla walked her to the door, kissed her on the cheek, and reportedly told her, Bridget, you're such a good person.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then Bridget said, My DNA might be all over her jammies.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, Bridget.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: She left the party at 147 AM to the official investigation.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: She was the last person known to have seen Tamla alive.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: And from that point forward, this timeline is really important.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: The house had something that gave investigators a little more information.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Jeanne had a home security system that recorded when certain doors opened and closed.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: So at 149 AM, the back door leading to the elevated deck where the balcony was opened and at one fifty it closed.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: At one hundred fifty seven AM again, it opened again, but there was no notification that it closed.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: And according to the investigation, that door was still kind of open the following morning.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: John believed that these notifications were connected to Tamla going outside for more cigarettes before bed.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: But these notifications only tell us when the door opened and closed.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: They don't identify who was opening or closing.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: There were security cameras in the house, including one overlooking the back deck and balcony, but of course, camera wasn't working, the batteries ran out, so there's no video footage showing what happened.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: At 4 10 AM, one of the party goers named Marcy left the house because she had to go to work at like 10 AM the next morning, so weird.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: And at 7 45 AM another party goer named Paula left.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Then around 8 30 AM the next morning, Thomas and Stacy Smith also left the house to go home.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: According to their accounts, none of these guests saw Tamla before leaving.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: At approximately 8 45 AM, Jean's aunt, Madeline, the one who lived in the basement alone, was getting her morning started when she looked out in the backyard through the window and noticed Tamla laying in the grass, still wearing those same white pajamas with the paw prints on it at the party, and she was laying face down and completely motionless.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Madeline said at first she thought that Tamla was sleeping outside, but after looking more closely, she said a prayer and became concerned and went upstairs to wake Jean and Jose.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: They went outside to check on Tamla and at eight fifty nine AM, Jean called nine one.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: During this call, Jean explained that they had a party the night before, that everyone had been drinking, and Tamla remained outside on the balcony when everyone went to bed.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: She said that she thought Tamla probably fallen off the balcony during the night.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Jean then handed the phone to Jose, who told the dispatcher that Tamla was laying face down in the yard, she wasn't moving, and she wasn't breathing.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: The dispatcher instructed him to check for a pulse, but Jose couldn't find one.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: At nine oh seven AM, just eight minutes after the call, the first sheriff's deputy arrived, and Tamla Horsford was dead at just forty years old.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Now here's a few important things about the explanation that emerged that morning.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: For one, nobody reported witnessing Tamala falling from the balcony.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody heard her fall, and the last confirmed alleged sighting of her alive had been seven hours earlier from what she was followed.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: But the possibility of an accidental fall was already being offered to the very first call of nine one.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that explanation became the official conclusion of the investigation.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: But for Tamil's family, the questions surrounding that night were only the beginning, because this investigation was shady.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: There were some genuinely disturbing details about how this case was handled.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Officers documented the elevated deck and the area where her body was found.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the things that really bothered me about this whole thing is how quickly the investigation began focusing on this accidental fall.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: One of the detectives suggested that she might have tripped over some landscaping material on the ground and fell, which is kind of weird, but okay.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: But then the medical examiner explained that her injuries were far too severe for a ground level fall, so the investigators then concluded it must have come from the balcony or the elevated deck.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: The original crime scene report describes photographs of the exterior and the backyard and the deck and the route throughout the main floor of the house, but I couldn't find any documentation establishing that the basement, where people had been spending time earlier that night received the same detailed photographic examination.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: When the detective arrived, Jean, Jose, and Madeline were sitting together at the dining room table, all working on their written statements together.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: These three people were inside the house that night and they were together preparing their accounts, which raises an obvious investigative question for me.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, how do you protect the independence of witness statements when people are seen sitting together discussing or writing about the same event?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: The problems didn't end there.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go back to Jose Barrera, John's boyfriend.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Jose was employed as a pretrial services officer in the Vorsill County Court System.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: This was someone who worked within local justice system and had professional access to information that ordinary members of the public didn't.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: In December of twenty eighteen, Jose was fired from his job after improperly accessing records connected to Tamless death investigation.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Think about that.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: A man who was present at the sleepover, who spoke to the 911 dispatcher, who was also a witness in this investigation, also accessed information about this case through his government position.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Jose denied leaking confidential information or doing anything criminal, but this incident was serious enough that he lost his job.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's also talk about Tamla's toxicology report.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Her blood alcohol concentration was 0.238 and toxicology detected THC and Xanax in her system.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: But according to accounts from her family, Tamla did not take Xanax and she didn't have a prescription for it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: So where did it come from?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Later, investigative reporting established that Bridget at the party did have a Xanax prescription and she admitted that she wears her prescription around her neck, like a necklace, aka like cruel intentions.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: She denied giving any to Tamla, but who knows?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: For me, the most troubling part of the story is that so much depends on what other people said after Tamla was last seen alive.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because Tamla never got to tell us her side of the story.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Part 2 Tamla's Birth Chart Reading.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: I am opening up Tamla's birth chart right now on astro-seek.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course, as always, the chart will be on YouTube for you to follow along, but you can just sit and listen.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Pamela was born on October 10th, 1978 in Kingstown at St.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Vincent and the Grenadines.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: We don't have a birth time for her, so we don't know the house is or her rising sign.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Although I'm looking at her picture right now, and I can't help but think that she could be a Libra rising because she has a really symmetrical looking face with also like a delicateness to it.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: Also a really big bright smile that could be a Leo rising or Sagittarius rising.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: What's standing out immediately to me is that Tamla was a huge social butterfly, but there was so much more to her, so many layers.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: She does have her son in Libra.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: When your son is in Libra, you're very concerned about how the people around you are feeling and doing.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're very concerned with your relationships.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: With other people, what's fair for other people, and how people treat each other.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Libra is this charming and easygoing sign that really just wants everyone to get along.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Libra notices how people behave towards one another.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: It recognizes things like favoritism, double standards, social hierarchies, and also the subtle ways that people establish power within a group.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Libra wants everyone to be treated fairly, but it also notices when someone isn't being treated fairly.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: What really stands out to me about Tamla's sun is that it's conjunct and attached to her Pluto placement in Libra.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Pluto gives someone a really strong and polarized presence that other people don't easily forget.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Pluto represents power, control, transformation, and the deepest parts of human nature.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: When it's sitting right next to your sun, all of that intensity becomes part of who you are.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: When I look at Tamlus' chart, I see a woman who was warm, outgoing, funny, and genuinely loved connecting with people, but I also see someone who had a tremendous amount of personal power.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: She probably didn't even realize how strongly other people reacted to her.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something really interesting about some Pluto people.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think that Tamla often attracted admiration, jealousy, fascination, and even resentment without necessarily doing anything to provoke those feelings.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes people would project their own insecurities onto her because there's something about her presence that would bring those insecurities to the surface.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Now remember, Tamla had this conjunction in Libra, the sign of relationships, so I imagine that throughout her life, some of her greatest transformations came through her experiences with other people.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: She probably learned some very difficult lessons about trust, loyalty, betrayal, and standing up for herself.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: I also wouldn't underestimate her ability to reinvent herself after all these difficult experiences.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Pluto represents power and it also represents survival and the ability to emerge from something that completely changes you.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: What I think is so interesting about Tamla is she had this great ability to make people feel welcome, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody felt comfortable in her presence.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes a person who is completely comfortable being themselves unintentionally makes other people confront parts of themselves that they're not comfortable with.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's one of the most psychologically revealing things about Tamla's chart.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think she genuinely loved being around people, but without needing their approval.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: She lived in so many different places, experienced different cultures, and built a life surrounded by people she genuinely cared about.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: Tamla continued making connections wherever life took her, even in the most recent place she moved to that had complicated histories of racial division.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Tamla also had her Mercury in Libra.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: At twenty four degrees Mercury, which is a degree I associate with Pisces, there's this added sense of openness and curiosity and connections with people from all walks of life.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: I picture Tamla as someone who could strike up a conversation with just about anybody and about just anything.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't need to have much in common with someone to find something worth talking about.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: She was genuinely interested in people, and that fits so well with the outgoing, friendly woman her loved ones described.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Behind all of that bubbly, friendly Libra energy, where Tamila genuinely enjoyed people and making connections, there was another side of her personality which was so cool.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: So she has a lot of Scorpio energy in her birth chart also.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Her Mars placement and her Uranus placement were conjunct at 14 degrees Scorpio, and she had her Venus in Scorpio also.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about Scorpio energy because that's one of the most deepest and most psychologically complex signs of the zodiac.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's associated with secrets, trust, intimacy, human behavior.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: Really anything that goes beyond the surface, like those taboo topics we're afraid to talk about, is associated with Scorpio.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: And when I think of Scorpio, I think of Halloween and the whole fall season when the leaves fall down from the trees, we suddenly see what's beneath it.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that's Scorpio.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: Scorpio knows how many layers everything has, and they like to choose what layers come out at what times.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Her Venus and Scorpio adds to this too.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Your Venus placement is gonna represent love and affection and what we value.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: And in Scorpio, it looks like Tamila took her emotional connections very seriously, in fact much more seriously than her cheerful, outgoing personality really suggested.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: She cared so deeply about the people in her life, and the betrayal or dishonesty would have been extremely difficult for her.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's talk about her Mars conjunct Uranus, because this is a really interesting part of Tamla's personality.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Mars represents how Tamla took action, expressed anger, made decisions, and how she stood up for herself.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: That placement is closely, tightly connected to her Uranus placement, which represents independence, rebellion, sudden changes, and the unexpected.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: So Tamla's drive and how she did things was pretty much working together with independence, rebellion, and shock.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like this gave Tamla a very, very spontaneous and unpredictable streak that people wouldn't expect from talking to your general Libra, who's sweet, bubbly, and charming.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like she had a rebellious side, and she wasn't particularly interested in being told what to do, especially if she felt like someone was trying to control her.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like she had this quick instinct to act.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: If she wanted something, she was really inclined to go after it, and if something bothered her, her reaction would be immediate rather than carefully planned.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like Tamla had this really cool combination of spontaneousness and stubbornness.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: She can make this sudden decision and then become absolutely determined to follow through with it.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: I also think that Tamla might have had a stronger temper than people initially expected.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like she was so friendly and funny and agreeable, but if someone crossed a personal boundary with her or tried to take away her independence, her Mars and Uranus connection would suggest a very different reaction.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: She was not gonna just smile and stay quiet and agree with someone just to keep them comfortable when she felt like her boundaries were crossed.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: But then behind it all, she was very perceptive, noticed everything, decided when she was gonna do and she was gonna do, very emotionally intense and also fiercely independent, and no problem with standing up for herself.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like Tamla loved being around people, but that didn't mean she was willing to lose herself within a group.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: She had her own opinions, her own boundaries, and a very strong sense of what she was and was not willing to accept.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's take a look at Tamla's moon, because in astrology, the moon tells us something very different from the sun.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Think of the moon as the part of your personality that comes out when you let your guard down.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's who you are when you're not trying to impress anyone.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's what you need in order to feel emotionally safe.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because we don't have Tamla's exact birth time, we don't know exactly where her moon is, but it's in either Capricorn or Aquarius.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: There is something really important that these two signs have in common.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: They're both traditionally ruled by Saturn.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: That means that regardless if her moon is in Capricorn or Aquarius, the planet of Saturn and the energy around it played an important role in shaping her emotional nature.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Saturn is the planet of responsibility, boundaries, self-control, survival, and time.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: When Saturn rules someone's moon, there's this emotional seriousness to that person that other people don't know unless you really get to know them.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: One also really cool thing about having Saturn ruling our moon is that people who have this seem to age in reverse.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: So let me explain what I mean.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Tamla probably growing up felt much older than she actually was.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like she took on certain responsibilities earlier than other people.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe she worried about things that her friends weren't even thinking about, or maybe she felt like she always had to be more mature than everyone else.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: But as she got older, something really cool happened.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: She started discovering the more carefree side of herself that wasn't always there when she was younger.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost like she spent the first part of her life learning how to be an adult, and then the second part of her life like really enjoying it.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: Saturn can also be a little complicated when it rules your moon.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes people who have this just have a hard time having fun.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like even when they're enjoying themselves, there's this little voice in the back of their mind reminding them about everything that they should really be doing instead.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I think of this when I remember how Tamala made dinner for her family and even prepared breakfast the following morning before she left for the sleepover.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's such an interesting detail when we look at her moon, because she was getting ready for an entire night away from her usual responsibilities, but she still made sure that everything was taken care of at home before she left.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: People who have a Saturn rolled moon feel like they have to really earn their enjoyment by making sure everyone else's needs are met first.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Here's something else that I think about her moon.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: People with Saturn rolled moons can confuse being familiar with someone with actually feeling safe around them.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, think about how that happens in everyday life.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: You see people at the school pickup, you see people at sporting events or around your neighborhood.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know their names and you know their faces, and over time they become part of your familiar world.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: But at the end of the day, how much do you actually know about them?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the distinction that interests me when I think about Tamla and the woman that she met through her children's football league.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think her familiarity with them created a sense of comfort, but comfort and trust are not the same thing.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: Also, people with Saturn rolled moons are really, really strict about their boundaries.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Once she decides that someone no longer deserves access to her emotional world, her decision will be final.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: She might forgive someone several times and make excuses for their behavior, or maybe even spend a long time trying to understand them.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: But once someone reaches their limit, something changes.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't necessarily have to have this huge confrontation or dramatic fallout.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes just emotionally they close the door and throw away the key, while the other person doesn't even realize how much damage they've done until they start noticing that their relationship is never quite the same again.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: To understand Saturn's influence a little better on Tamla, let's take a look at where Saturn is actually positioned in her chart.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: She has her Saturn at 9 degrees Virgo.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Virgo is one of the most observant and analytical signs in the zodiac.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's associated with problem solving, paying attention to details, and the constant desire to make things better.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: When Saturn is placed in Virgo, I see someone who holds themselves to incredibly high standards, but also at the same time they put a lot of energy into getting these high standards.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: I imagine that Tamil took her obligations very seriously, especially when it came to her family and the people who depended on her.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: But Saturn in Virgo does come with its own psychological struggles.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: Displacement can create enormous pressure to do everything correctly.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't be surprised if Tamla sometimes took responsibility for problems that weren't even hers to solve.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: She might have been really understanding when other people made mistakes while struggling to forgive herself for her own.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: There's something almost ironic about that, isn't there?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like the person who gives everyone else the most understanding is sometimes the person who gives themselves the least.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: In astrology, we have something called a north node and a south node.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: They're always directly opposite one another in the zodiac, and together they tell a story about our soul's growth.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: The south node represents qualities that come naturally to you.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you believe in past lives like I do, you've had a lot of past lives mastering this quality, and when you're born into this life, it's really easy for you to do this.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: So we could think of it also as familiar instincts, patterns, and ways of approaching life that carried us for a really long time.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Then we have the north node, which represents the direction we're meant to grow towards in this lifetime.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: These are the qualities that are kind of harder for us to develop, but we also get really rewarded when we do, because for one, it doesn't really come naturally to us, and it's our life purpose to establish these qualities.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one of her life purposes.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Tamila had her south note in Pisces, which means the way how she was born, she instinctively looked for the good things in people.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Pisces is a really compassionate sign.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's all about self-sacrificing because other people are almost idolized in a way.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's all about forgiveness and empathy.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it's also about the ability to understand experiences that are completely different than your own.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: Tamma probably spent a lot of past lives being that person who just loved everyone so much.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: And coming into this life, she was the type of woman who would understand while someone behaved a certain way, even if that person's behavior was not good.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: She probably had this incredible capacity to see beyond someone's mistakes and recognize the human beneath them.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: But her north node was in Virgo, the opposite of Pisces, so it's gonna approach people in the complete opposite way.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: Virgo just notices everything and it criticizes too, because it pays attention to the details and it notices the patterns.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna remember what someone said last week and they're gonna compare it to what that person's doing today.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: So Tamla's life, she came in just loving people and always giving them the benefit of the doubt.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: But one of her biggest life lessons, I mean astrologically speaking, was to learn how to recognize the difference between someone's intentions and their actual behavior.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because someone having a difficult past, a complicated life, or a perfectly understandable reason for behaving badly, that doesn't mean that there's someone you should trust.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Now here's something I really want you to pay attention to.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Tamla had both her Saturn and North Node in Virgo.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: So we're seeing this Virgo theme emphasized twice in her birth chart, but in two different ways.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: The Saturn part is where she was hard on herself and carried a lot of responsibility, and her north node represented the direction her soul was growing towards.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Tamila was being asked to take all of her compassion and all of that understanding that she naturally had for other people, and to learn to take that same consideration towards herself by being a little bit more critical and discerning of other people.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm imagining Tamla as someone who genuinely valued her relationships in her life, and she was someone who enjoyed getting to know people and was always willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: But her soul's journey was learning that seeing the good in someone isn't the same thing as knowing they're good for you.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I want you to remember that distinction as we get into what happened at that sleepover.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because the relationships surrounding Tamla are going to be a very important part of the story.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: Now that we've gotten to know Tamla better through her birth chart, I want to take you back to the morning of november fourth, twenty eighteen.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because while everyone else was supposed to be waking up from a fun night with friends, Tamla was lying unresponsive in the backyard, and at 8 59 that morning, a call was placed to 911.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: What was said during that call, and more importantly, what wasn't said would become an important part of the question surrounding Tamla's death.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Part three The Astrology of the 911 Call I'm gonna admit here that I've been looking at the astrology of this case for quite a while, even before I started this podcast.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: This case really hit me.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's no secret that I don't trust anyone involved in the party.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: I listened to all of their interrogations with the police, which by the way, weren't even in a police station, which is normal procedure.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: These interviews all happened on the comfy couch of John's house.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: The whole thing seemed off, and they all seemed to have this low key disdain for Tamla the way they were speaking about her.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: If someone died at my house, especially it being an accident, I would feel so guilty, I would not be able to be interviewed and speak so matter of factly like these women did.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: The whole thing just fell off.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't use any of the timestamps that the people who are acclaimed.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Instead I'm gonna use the 911 call.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: For our event chart, we're gonna use Sunday, November 4th, 2018, at 859 in the morning in Cumming, Georgia.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I drew an astrology chart of the 911 call and I asked the stars what really happened in the crime that this call was about.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Not what the people said on the phone, but what really happened to Tamla.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: And this chart was confusing me for a while.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: The reason why I'm having so much trouble with this chart is because I'm not seeing any patterns that's consistent with an accidental death, falling off a balcony, or even a push off the balcony.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: Let me explain what I mean.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: For an accidental fall, one of the planets I would examine is Uranus, because that's the planet that represents sudden accidents and unexpected events.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: I would expect it to be making some kind of difficult aspect to Tamla herself, or even the part of the chart that represents death, but that's not what I'm seeing.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, Uranus is in the fifth section and it's opposing Venus in the 11th section.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: So any unexpected event that I'm picking up from this case is involving either a sexual romance or something drug related within the friend group or people in the party, rather than a physical accident involving Tamla herself.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_02: That made me get really invested in this case because that's when I pretty much knew for astrologically sure that the people at the party were lying.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Now I want to look deeper at Tamla.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: In forensic astrology, the first section of the chart represents the victim.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: The first section begins with the rising sign, also called the ascendant.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: In this chart, Sagittarius is rising, which means Sagittarius represents Tamla.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Sagittarius has some interesting associations, particularly in forensic astrology.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: It often represents someone who is considered to be a foreigner, someone from another country, or someone who is viewed as different than the people around them.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: And that immediately caught my attention because Tamla was the only black woman attending this gathering.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: And something else stood out to me.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: When Madeline Lombardi, the homeowner's aunt, discovered Tamla's body and went to alert the others, she referred to Tamla as your friend from the islands.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Not Tamla, not even like your friend, but the girl from the islands.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: And who talks like this?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: Especially so publicly and comfortably to the police.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: That description is close to the Sagittarius symbolism I was looking at.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Someone identified by where they came from rather than simply another member of the group.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that's crazy to me, especially because Tamla and Madeline did hang out that night, and it's alleged that they might have even smoked weed together in the basement.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Beyond looking at what made Tamil different from the group, I'm also interested in whether she felt comfortable expressing herself and if she had the freedom to leave when she wanted to.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sagittarius ruling Tamil's identity here is telling me how the people at the party looked at her.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: We can get even more information on what happened with Tamil specifically that night once we look for Jupiter in the chart, because Jupiter is the lord of Sagittarius, and it's going to give us way more insight on Tamla.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: So here in this chart, Jupiter is representing Tamila and it's at 29 degrees of Scorpio in the 12th section, just behind her ascendant.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: The 12th section represents isolation, secrets, and things happening out of sight.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: So to me this suggests that Tamla was separated or isolated from the main party around the time of the crime, away from the larger group.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: I also don't think that this was high up on a balcony because Scorpio is more about lower places, not higher ones.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: I am also seeing that she wasn't isolated alone, that there were at least two people with her.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: When the crime happened, which we will get into.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: But first back to Jupiter.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Jupiter is at a particularly interesting degree.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: The final degree of Scorpio, 29 degrees, has this image associated with it of children dressed up in Halloween costumes playing tricks on each other.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: Think about what happens when someone puts on a costume.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: They become someone else for a little while.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: They hide behind a mask, behave differently, and sometimes reveal a side of themselves that people don't normally see.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: But what happens when that mask comes off?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's the image I keep coming back to with Tamla.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm wondering what happened at night that caused her to see other people in a completely different light.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Someone revealed a side of themselves she hasn't seen before.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go into the other people.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: For this we're gonna look at the seventh section of the chart, which is the part of the wheel that's directly opposite from the ascendant.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: And in forensic astrology, this is where I look for the person or people who were responsible for the crime.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: Here the seventh section is ruled by Gemini, and boy did that catch my attention.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Gemini means double two or twins, and something I've noticed in forensic astrology readings is that Gemini almost always suggests that there is more than one person involved.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: So since I'm seeing Gemini on the seventh section of this chart, I think there was more than one person that killed Tamma.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's something else about Gemini that interests me here.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's a quick thinking, restless, and impulsive sign.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: Gemini is associated with sudden decisions and reacting to whatever is happening in the moment.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's not necessarily the energy that I would associate with a carefully planned crime.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: This is making me wonder if the crime involved people reacting to a situation that quickly got out of control.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: Gemini is ruled by Mercury, and in traditional astrology, Mercury is associated with youth and younger people.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: In my forensic approach, I associate Mercury in general with people under the age of 29.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: If they're adults like in their 30s into middle age, I'm gonna associate Jupiter with them.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: And anyone older than middle age, I'm gonna use Saturn to represent them.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: Who at this party was under the age of 30?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking about Jose being one of them.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: But let's keep going.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: And let's look at where Mercury is being positioned in the chart, because this is where things are gonna get even more interesting.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Mercury, representing the at least two perpetrators, is in the 12th section, right behind the ascendant.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: And remember, Jupiter, which represents Tamil in this case, is also there.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: And let's also look at how these planets were positioned.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: Mercury is sitting directly between Jupiter, representing Tamla and the Ascendant, which is her identity and independence and personal freedom.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_02: So what I'm seeing here is someone is physically standing between Tamil and the door when she's trying to leave.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: Next, let's look at the Mars placement here.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: In forensic astrology, Mars is very important because it represents the physical violence, it's going to represent the weapon, and even the location where Tamila was harmed.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: In this chart, Mars is an Aquarius in the third that's making a square, aka creating tension to the planet Jupiter representing Tamil.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right away, Mars is showing a source of danger involving Tamil and these two Mercury people who caused her death.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Aquarius is associated with heights, which made me consider the balcony, but since Mars is in the third section of the chart, I just don't think that this is the balcony.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: The third house represents our immediate surroundings outside of the house.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: So it could be the front yard per se, but not actually like touching the house.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: It could be the streets, it could be cars, and anywhere local and town around the neighborhood.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: When I put Mars and Aquarius in the third house, I'm looking at something that happened very possibly in a car near a car or somewhere in the surrounding neighborhood.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's giving the vibe of a physical confrontation in the neighborhood where the party was, or something happening by being like struck by a vehicle or being attacked in a car.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's really giving car.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that leaves me with another important question.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: What happened at that party that led to Tamla being isolated with these people in the first place?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: We have Venus retrograde at 28 degrees Libra in the 11th section, sitting with the part of fortune, which is that little X in the chart.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: And that's gonna be an important mathematical part in astrology, and its position makes me pay really close attention to Venus, saying that's a clue.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: The part of fortune is like, look right here, your biggest clue is here.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: In forensic astrology, Venus usually represents a woman.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: Venus is also what I consider a cancer degree, which brings in themes of home, family, and the people who live in the house.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: So um immediately looking at the two women who actually live in the house, that's Jean and Madeline.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: Also in the 11th section, there's a sun and Scorpio, which usually in crime charts is going to identify a man, and it's usually a man that's associated with something negative or perpetrating about this event.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: Here the sun is at a degree associated with Pisces, which adds themes of secrecy, blurred boundaries, or a situation that isn't entirely what it appears to be.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: This whole thing put together has me wondering about a relationship or an interaction between one of the men and women at the gathering being involved in this.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it really draws my attention that Venus is directly opposing Uranus and Taurus in the fifth house.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be the surprise and shock or accident of what really happened that night.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because Uranus is gonna say the shocks, and it's really saying that the real shock of the night wasn't Tamil falling or accidentally getting killed.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: The shock was about romance or a sexual encounter, pleasure, or even a recreational drug use.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Since it's pulling on Venus, there's gonna be tension between a man and a woman who was in a relationship for some time and something shocking about maybe their sex life or drugs that they were taking that maybe possibly Tamla found out about.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: I keep coming back to the possibility that Tamla discovered something unexpected involving two people at the gathering.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think that this either could have been a relationship that she didn't know about, maybe with Jose and another woman there, or something involving sex and drugs.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I also see a pattern that she was propositioned into maybe having sex with them.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was Jean and Jose offering a threesome or something like that, or it could have been something with Madeline and Jose when she was hanging out in the basement with them.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at Saturn in the first house, the section that represents Tamla's limitations, restrictions, and boundaries that led to her crime, and that's actually connected to the Venus Uranus opposition, which brings themes of restriction into this pattern.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, what happened here is that Tamla was likely confronted with something she didn't agree with.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's either she witnessed something that she wasn't supposed to see, or two people tried to have sex with her and she was not having it.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: And that brings me right back to the image of the Halloween costumes and the moment the masks came off.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_02: Something at this party within the social dynamics changed Tamla's understanding of the people around her.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: Let's look at the motive behind this too, because we can get more about the motive from the second section.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: Now in a natal chart, the second house represents money, possessions, and personal values.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: When it comes to a crime chart, I'm looking at the second section of what's being valued here.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: What's the motive behind the crime?
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: And sitting in this area, we have a few important placements.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: We have Pluto and Capricorn, we have the South Node at zero degrees in Aquarius, and we have black moon Lilith at nine degrees of Aquarius.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: So let's break this down.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: In a crime chart, Pluto is the danger, its power, control, and things that are kept hidden.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: And since Pluto is in Capricorn when this happened, this is going to be about danger within social classes or reputation or someone's role in life or their authority.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: When Pluto is in the second section, something of value with the perpetrators wanted to control something.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: It could have involved money or possessions, but I'm also drawn to the idea of their social standing and reputation.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: Capricorn is a sign that places enormous importance on hierarchy, tradition, and maintaining the established order.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: This is making me think that whoever committed this crime thought that they had a standing above Tamla, and maybe their ego was bruised if Tamla gave any rejection to them.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: The second section also has the South Node at zero degrees, and in my own forensic astrology work, I've noticed that the South Node frequently points towards secrets, things from the past, and information that has been buried.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: Aquarius represents groups, friendships, communities, and the people we associate with.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm seeing the possibility of a secret involving a group of people, something that was already part of their shared history.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: Then we have Black Moon Lilith, 9 degrees Aquarius.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: Lilith also tends to represent the perpetrator of the crime, typically a woman, but it's also associated with taboo subjects and shame and the part of us that we just don't want people to know.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's usually bad.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll be honest, I'm just gonna say it.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's giving that the group was racist against Tamla, whether it was conscious or deep down, and they felt like they were above her in some way, and that is part of what led to the actual crime.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: And also, since we have Lilith connected to the secrets of the case of a group's shared values and secrets, there's another possibility here of what I want to mention.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think that Tamlith's food and drinks was controlled or tampered with.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: We know from Tamlith's tax ecology report that Xanax was found in her system, and that detail immediately came into mind when I saw this placement.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think that something she consumed that night was connected to Pluto's symbolism of control.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think that someone put something in her drink or food in order to control her.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now what's interesting is that these second house placements aren't making any major connections to the rest of the chart.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think the fact that she was drugged or her food was controlled actually is what led to her death.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, I'm reading this as a background information of something that happened.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: So what this whole thing is really giving to me is that Tamil went to a party with people who thought that they were actually above her because they were racist, and maybe they thought it was funny or okay to put Xanax in her drink or food, or maybe they did it to control or limit her inhibitions.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they thought she talked too much, maybe they thought she was being loud, they were upset of whatever she was drinking or smoking, whatever.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted her quieter, calmer, and less able to stand up for herself.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that fits the themes of hierarchy and domination that I'm seeing in Capricorn.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a possibility that she was drugged for sexual coercion.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think that someone wanted Tamil in a compromised state, making it harder for her to resist, and these possibilities all have themes of power and control.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_02: And let's look at the moon in this chart too, because I think it's one of the most important places in the chart.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_02: In forensic astrology, the moon is gonna tell us about the emotional atmosphere surrounding the crime, and it's also gonna be a co-ruler of Tamla.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: So once again, we're gonna get more information about Tamla herself.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: Here the moon is at 2 degrees Libra in the tenth section, the most public section, and Libra is the sign of relationships and fairness and getting along with people.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, this is saying that I think Tamla genuinely cared about her relationships with the people she was with.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: She went to this gathering expecting to build a better friendship and companionship with these girls.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: But with the moon making that square to Saturn and Capricorn, there was something about Tamla's experience that night that the public story has not revealed.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: Basically it's saying that the witnesses and the accounts of the party that night was a lie.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: There was a lot more going on that they did not tell us.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: With the moon being at two degrees Libra, I'm going to associate that with Taurus energy.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_02: In degree theory, Taurus is connected to the physical home, especially the lower levels and the basement.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, we also have Uranus and Taurus in the fifth house, connected with unexpected events with pleasure, recreation, sex, and drug use.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think something happened in the basement of this house.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think Tamla might have gone down there, maybe to even smoke weed with Jose, along with either Jean or Madeline, meaning someone who lived in the house.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: And something going on here is what led to her death.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: What's telling me a lot is that the moon is what's ruling cancer energy, and here in this chart, cancer is describing the eighth section, which is death.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: So the emotional atmosphere of the party, Tamala's desire to come and make friends with them, maybe even go to the basement with them, and do things like party more, have some drinks, smoke weed, that's what led to her death.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm gonna put this all together and give you my complete theory based on this 911 chart of what was the crime that this call was called in about.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that Tamla went to the party genuinely looking forward to spending time with people that she considered friends.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think Tamla would always see the good in people and did not sense the racial undertones that this group might have had.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tamla went downstairs at some point during the evening and something happened there that completely changed the direction of the night.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_02: Member Madeline Lombardi lived in the basement apartment.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: Jose Barera and Thomas Smith spent part of the evening downstairs watching football, allegedly, but they were down there, and something happened downstairs, which might have started as a perfectly ordinary social interaction.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: This was most likely with Jose and a woman who lived in the house, so either Madeline or Jean.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Tamla either witnessed something between two people down there, maybe it was an affair, but there was something going on with the relationship of two people down there that might have been sexual, and it was probably drug related too.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: They were smoking, and maybe they tried to have sex with her.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Tamla was not having it, and that combined with all the racism really pissed them off.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: Someone's ego was hurt, and Tamla's identity and position within the group were an important part of that conflict.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever happened downstairs made Tamla want to leave.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm looking here in the 12th section where she was eventually isolated with these two people, and they got so mad and their egos got so hurt that they started to interfere with her personal freedom and didn't want her to leave.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when I think the masks slipped off.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: When they were in a car, maybe they were even driving her home or pretending to drive her home, the main confrontation happened outside of the main gathering involving a vehicle, and I believe that Tamla was attacked during that confrontation and did not have an accidental fall off the balcony.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think at that point Tamla was taken back to the house, and maybe this continued, but at this point something was definitely covered up.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: What happened after being taken out of the house or in a car is still a piece of this puzzle that I haven't been able to connect, and that's something I would absolutely love to revisit if a more reliable timestamp or information ever becomes available.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: The whole story about it was manipulated and staged afterwards.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what the stars are telling me about the crime that was called on november fourth, twenty eighteen at 859 AM in Cumming, Georgia.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_02: My heart goes out to Tamla, her family, and all the people who genuinely loved her and cared about her.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_02: I pray that one day we will receive the answer of truth and the justice they deserve.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_02: Tamla was a mother, a daughter, a friend whose life meant so much to so many people.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever happened that night, I hope that the full truth eventually comes to light, and the people who are loved her are finally given the peace that they've been searching for.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: Now I want to hear from you.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think really happened to Tamla Horseford that night?
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: Let me know in the comments because I want to hear all of your theories, especially if you found something in the astrology.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: I absolutely love when you bring me your own chart interpretations and transits to back up your ideas.
• 1:01:57
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• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: Remember that every moment has a chart, every chart has a story.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Macy Murdoch, and this is the Star Witness.