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The Kenny Report | 21 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight. The Prime Minister gets what
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  Speaker 1: he wants.
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  Speaker 3: In Washington, Donald Trump affirms his commitment to Orcus and heeps.
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  Speaker 1: Praise on ol Bow.
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  Speaker 3: Former US Ambassador Arthur Cinnadenis joins me. But our current
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  Speaker 3: US ambassador in DC, former PM Kevin Rudd, well, he
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  Speaker 3: cops both barrels from the US President and the opposition
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  Speaker 3: calls for him to be sacked.
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  Speaker 1: Across to Christen Tate.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he's just the ultimate alpha male. And when he'd
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  Speaker 4: found out this ambassador had said negative things about him,
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  Speaker 4: he just swatted him down like a fly and then
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  Speaker 4: moved on.
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  Speaker 3: Former Deputy Prime Minister and National Party Order John Anderson
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  Speaker 3: has his say on Barnaby Joyce and the need.
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  Speaker 1: For the Coalition to thrash out.
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  Speaker 3: Its net zero differences right now, all that and plenty
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  Speaker 3: more with Tim Blair, Who O'Brien and Stephen Sana tiampe
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking. After a deeply worrying period of foreign
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  Speaker 3: policy missteps where the Albanese labor government has sought to
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  Speaker 3: appease our rivals and antagonize our main alliance partner, we
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  Speaker 3: can all breathe a small sigh of relief today after
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese's meeting with Donald Trump at the White House
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  Speaker 3: went well. This was no triumph, Nothing particularly new was delivered,
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  Speaker 3: but it was reassuring and it reaffirmed both nations commitment
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  Speaker 3: to the alliance and the agreed means to advance it.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister has failed.
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  Speaker 3: For almost a year to get a face to face
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  Speaker 3: meeting with the President. He didn't travel to the inauguration
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  Speaker 3: in January. He was fobbed off at the G twenty
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  Speaker 3: in Canada in June. So we had that unedifying episode
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  Speaker 3: where he desperately ambushed the US President for a selfie
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  Speaker 3: in New York last month, Dear Idea. But early this
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  Speaker 3: morning our time, Albaneze got what he was after and
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  Speaker 3: what the country needed, a full sit down meeting with
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  Speaker 3: the President, even lapping up some welcome words of partnership
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  Speaker 3: and praise.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's doing a really good job and we've
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  Speaker 5: had a very good relationship.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to compare one with.
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  Speaker 5: The other, but I'll tell you this one is they've
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  Speaker 5: got a great They really have a great prime minister.
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  Speaker 7: I'll use it in my ads in twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, he'll use it in his ads. Sure he will.
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  Speaker 3: He got to office largely by linking a coalition with Trump.
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  Speaker 3: He won't be running a Trump endorsement now. As expected,
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  Speaker 3: Trump had no trouble with Orcas. In fact, he was
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  Speaker 3: enthusiastic about it.
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  Speaker 5: It was made a while ago and nobody did anything
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  Speaker 5: about it, and he was going too slowly. We do
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  Speaker 5: actually have a lot of submarines. We have the best
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  Speaker 5: submarines in the world anywhere in the world, and we're
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  Speaker 5: building a few more currently under construction, and now we're starting.
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  Speaker 5: We have it all set with Anthony. We've worked on
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  Speaker 5: this long and hard, and we're starting in that process
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  Speaker 5: right now, and I think it's really moving along very rapidly,
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  Speaker 5: very well.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Orchest deal between Australia, the UK and the US
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  Speaker 3: was always going to be okay, but it was reassuring
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  Speaker 3: to have all this confirmed in public. Trump even resisted
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity to criticize our subpar defense spending.
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  Speaker 1: There was no.
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  Speaker 3: Reprieve on tariffs either, but that wasn't expected either. There was, though,
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  Speaker 3: a formal signing of a deal to mine and process
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  Speaker 3: critical minerals and rare earths in Australia leveraging US investment dollars.
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  Speaker 3: This is something that both countries have been keen on
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  Speaker 3: for years and while nothing is guaranteed, we are now
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  Speaker 3: likely to see tangible out comes because China is using
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  Speaker 3: its near monopoly in these minerals to retaliate against US
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  Speaker 3: trade barriers.
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  Speaker 5: In about a year from now, we'll have so much
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  Speaker 5: critical mineral and Rarer said, you won't know what to
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  Speaker 5: do with him.
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  Speaker 3: But as you know, the liveliest part of the visit
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  Speaker 3: came when former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd there is our
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  Speaker 3: US ambassador. Of course, while he was pushed into the
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  Speaker 3: spotlight by a brilliant question from Sky's Andrew Clanel, been
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  Speaker 3: concerned in Australia.
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  Speaker 9: It's taken nine months to get this meeting. Have you
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  Speaker 9: had any concerns with this administration, with the stance on Palestine,
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  Speaker 9: climate change or even things the ambassador said about you
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  Speaker 9: in the past, austrain ambassador.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know anything about him, and if he said
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  Speaker 5: bad then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Did an ambassador to say something about about it? Don't
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  Speaker 5: tell me about it?
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  Speaker 8: Where is he is? He started working for Yeah right,
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  Speaker 8: you said bad.
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  Speaker 7: Before I took this positions to present.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like you either, probably never will.
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  Speaker 3: As they say, taking an instant disliking to Kevin Rudd
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  Speaker 3: saves time, and one wag suggested the exchange was testament
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  Speaker 3: to Trump's genius because nothing unites Australia like bagging Kevin Rudd.
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  Speaker 1: But Rudd has made his own bed, of course, by.
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  Speaker 3: Running off at the mouth for years, calling Trump destructive
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  Speaker 3: and a traitor and all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 10: Who could believe our luck that this madman called Trump
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  Speaker 10: could have been elected?
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  Speaker 11: The United States in the last four years has been
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  Speaker 11: run by a village idiot during the craziness the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 11: The essential problem for allies in dealing with the Trump
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  Speaker 11: administration Trump One or Trump Do is its essential internal
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  Speaker 11: incoherence because of the essential incoherence of the man himself,
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  Speaker 11: that the Republicans would see sense and get the President
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  Speaker 11: to behave like a responsible grown up, and so far
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  Speaker 11: he's not done that.
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  Speaker 1: But the underpinnings of it was still incoherent because Trump
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  Speaker 1: himself was incoherent. You get the idea.
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  Speaker 3: Alban Easy is one of the only mates that Rudd
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  Speaker 3: has left in the Labor Party and this was a
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  Speaker 3: bad appointment by the PM because it was always going
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  Speaker 3: to end up in ructions, as we've pointed out repeatedly. Sadly,
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  Speaker 3: we'll hear more from our man in Washington and on tipping.
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  Speaker 3: It won't be smooth sailing. Australia has a diplomatic problem
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  Speaker 3: with all this right now and it'll become an unavoidable
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  Speaker 3: mess if Donald Trump wins.
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  Speaker 1: I've managed to.
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  Speaker 3: Obtain exclusive footage of Kevin Rudd just after he was
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  Speaker 3: advised of Trump's victory.
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  Speaker 12: Ah, this languish, He's just complicates it so much.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how can anyone do this?
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  Speaker 5: Man?
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  Speaker 7: This is just impossible.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't have said it better myself. It's pretty much impossible.
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  Speaker 3: And that wouldn't be too far from the truth, would it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to have some fun with this stuff. But
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  Speaker 3: after this lad has blow up in the White House,
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  Speaker 3: Opposition leader Susan.
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  Speaker 1: Lee says Rudd should be brought home.
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  Speaker 13: I don't believe he should stay in that role. And
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  Speaker 13: to see the Prime Minister actually laughing at his own
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  Speaker 13: ambassador in the room when the President made a joke,
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  Speaker 13: I think it's it's untenable.
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  Speaker 3: Look that probably would be best for all involved, but
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  Speaker 3: it's unlikely to happen. Things will go one of two
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  Speaker 3: ways after today's fun and games. It could just fade
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  Speaker 3: into history, you know, tensions are raised and everyone moves
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  Speaker 3: on as Albanezy clearly hopes and would be best for Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Or Trump might ask a staffer to show him what
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  Speaker 3: Rudd has said, and he might ask also why Albaneze
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  Speaker 3: would have pulled Rudd as an ambassador after he said
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  Speaker 3: such undiplomatic things. Rud apparently apologized to the President in
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  Speaker 3: the room afterwards today, which is of course an apology
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  Speaker 3: that's at least a year or too late. It needs
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  Speaker 3: to be careful because the American media are paying attention to.
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  Speaker 14: The Australian Prime Minister is in town to cut some
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  Speaker 14: major deals. One problem someone in his entourage has TDS.
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  Speaker 9: Have you had any concerns with this administration with a
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  Speaker 9: stance on Palestine, climate change or even things the ambassador
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  Speaker 9: said about you in the past the Austrained ambassador, I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't know anything about him, and if you said bad
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  Speaker 5: then maybe he'll like to apologize. I rout, I know,
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  Speaker 5: did an ambassador say something bad about it. Don't tell
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  Speaker 5: me where is he? Is he still working for you?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you said bad.
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  Speaker 2: Dispositions to prison.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like you either, and it probably never will.
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  Speaker 2: Once they got that out of the way.
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  Speaker 14: Back to business, Trump cut an eight billion dollar rare
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  Speaker 14: earth deal down under That means bye bye China.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wait till the US media start running some of those
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  Speaker 3: clips of what Trump of what radd has said about
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  Speaker 3: Trump in the past. I saw some wag on Facebook
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  Speaker 3: just moments ago selling t shirts.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like you either, and I probably never will. Look.
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  Speaker 3: Both Rada and Albanesi will be hoping that this story
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get any more legs. The sooner the caravan moves
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  Speaker 3: on for them, the better. Let's now go to a
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  Speaker 3: former Australian ambassador to the US, Arthur Cinadinas joins US
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  Speaker 3: live from Brisbane. Thanks for joining us, Arthur, really appreciate
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  Speaker 3: your insight into what went on. Let's start with the
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  Speaker 3: good news, welcome reassurance for Anthony Alberizi on both ORCUS
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  Speaker 3: and the Rare Earths and Minerals deal.
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  Speaker 15: Right, yeah, yeah, I mean what was important on Orcus
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  Speaker 15: was that the president took ownership of it. He said, Look,
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  Speaker 15: the previous mob had been slow on it. We're going
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  Speaker 15: to accelerate it. We're going to get it done. So
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  Speaker 15: he's taken ownership of it. They may tweak it as
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  Speaker 15: a new administration, but it was really great to get
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  Speaker 15: those words out of the President and that's one of
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  Speaker 15: the reasons this meeting had to happen. And it's great
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  Speaker 15: that the meeting has happened. Rare Earths came at the
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  Speaker 15: right time. China's been putting the screws on the US
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  Speaker 15: over rare earth. This was the right time to finalize
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  Speaker 15: a package that's been in the works for a little
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  Speaker 15: while now on critical minerals, and that package is of
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  Speaker 15: value to Australian industry, American industry. So I think they
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  Speaker 15: were really good outcomes. I was very pleased with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you make a really good point.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't just agree to orcus. He did just tap
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  Speaker 3: the accelerator a bit on it. And he even pointed out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the great controversy as to whether the US
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  Speaker 3: is actually building enough subs to be able to help
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  Speaker 3: out Australia as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well. He said, we've got plenty. He wants to make
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  Speaker 1: it happen effectively.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean the Navy Secretary was
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  Speaker 15: in the room. And the important thing is they're trying
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  Speaker 15: to ramp up their submarine production now, so they're very
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  Speaker 15: committed to more shipbuilding in the US naval and commercial shipbuilding.
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  Speaker 15: So it's very much in the President's mind that they
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  Speaker 15: have a shipbuilding Council at the White House, so they've
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  Speaker 15: been putting everything together to try and promote increased shipbuilding.
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  Speaker 15: So the President's putting the pedal to the medal.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Back when Malcolm Turnbull was Prime Minister, there was movement
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  Speaker 3: on rare earths and minerals and I think you probably
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  Speaker 3: were involved in it. It might have been your time, might
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  Speaker 3: have been Joe Hockey. But so it's been in the
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  Speaker 3: works a long while. They've signed this arrangement today saying
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  Speaker 3: they're going to tip in a billion dollars each, so
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  Speaker 3: that gives it a bit more impetus.
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  Speaker 1: But also I suppose the Times suit.
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  Speaker 3: It because China is threatening to withhold supplies of these minerals.
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  Speaker 3: They've got a near monop on this, so we could
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  Speaker 3: actually see some tangible outcomes you think from this this
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  Speaker 3: deal today?
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, Chris, you're right. Context is important. Last week the
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  Speaker 15: Treasury Secretary Vesse was talking about what the Chinese were
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  Speaker 15: up to on, among other things, rare earths, and so
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  Speaker 15: this was very much in the administration's mind, and they
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  Speaker 15: see Australia as a good partner, a steadfast partner. Trump
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  Speaker 15: himself likes Australia, he likes Australians. He's got a good
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  Speaker 15: relationship with Greg Norman, for example, and so I think
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  Speaker 15: the timing was propitious to get this done and Australia Finally,
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  Speaker 15: because we've been talking about this for a few years now,
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  Speaker 15: even from my time as Ambassa, I remember briefing Cabinet
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  Speaker 15: subcommittees on this. Finally, I think the government has put
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  Speaker 15: real money on the table and real incentives to get
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  Speaker 15: this done. And so cuedos to all involved in putting
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  Speaker 15: this together.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I know you're not going to bag Kevin Rudd,
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  Speaker 3: but he's got a hope, doesn't he that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: doesn't delve into this, that he doesn't sort of work
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  Speaker 3: out just how how much was said, how bad it was,
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  Speaker 3: and that it was said before Albanez he appointed him
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  Speaker 3: as ambassador.
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  Speaker 15: I think Chris, in the end, with all respect to Kevin.
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  Speaker 15: Trump doesn't care that much. He's got people around him
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  Speaker 15: like Rubyo. Vance said all sorts of things about him,
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  Speaker 15: and he said about them Trump. Rubb finally apologized, finally
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  Speaker 15: got the opportunity to get in the room and apologize.
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  Speaker 15: Trump was gracious enough to accept that. So I think
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  Speaker 15: from Trump's perspective, He's got bigger fish to fry spot on.
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  Speaker 1: He sure does. But it's been a lot of fun
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  Speaker 1: for us, you'll understand, Arthur, thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Arthur senadinas their former senator and former Australian ambassador in Washington.
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  Speaker 1: And he's right.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's got a lot on his plate and he
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  Speaker 3: has shown willingness to bring some of his former critics
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  Speaker 3: on board, which is always a good trait. Now I
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  Speaker 3: want to move on to domestic politics now, and that
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  Speaker 3: is the policy division.
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  Speaker 1: In the coalition.
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  Speaker 3: It's continuing to erupt, of course, over the net zero
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  Speaker 3: by twenty fifty commitment. There are reports that the Opposition leader,
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  Speaker 3: Susan Lee wants to maintain the target but scrap any
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  Speaker 3: legislation committing Australia to it if they should form government. Now,
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  Speaker 3: that sounds like a complete confusion to me. Our Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Party room meeting next week is planned to discuss various options,
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  Speaker 3: and National Senator Matt Canavan says all the Liberals and
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  Speaker 3: the Nationals should get together as a coalition and.
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  Speaker 1: Thrash it out.
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  Speaker 7: Come to Canberra next week and let's have it abait.
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  Speaker 16: Let's have it abait in the joint party room where
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  Speaker 16: everybody can can have their say, Everybody can get up
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  Speaker 16: and drop the anonymity and say to the room what
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  Speaker 16: they think and believe we haven't done that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as I've been saying for months, this issue needs
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  Speaker 3: to be decided. The coalition needs to get out there
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  Speaker 3: and argue its case, not spend all this time on
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  Speaker 3: introspection and policy reviews. Former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson
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  Speaker 3: has joined the calls for a quick and public resolution.
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  Speaker 12: We've got to end the division. You can only end
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  Speaker 12: the division if you have a proper route. Now I
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  Speaker 12: would have preferred it behind closed doors. Hasn't happened that way,
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  Speaker 12: So it's in the public areader.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That full interview with John Anderson on climate policy and Barnaby.
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  Speaker 1: Joyce quitting the Nationals coming up later in the program.
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  Speaker 3: But let me now go to the Liberal member for
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  Speaker 3: Flinders in Victoria and Shadow Cabinet Secretary Zoey Mackenzie. Zoey Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us again. Do you think that Kevin
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  Speaker 3: Rudd should keep his job as a US ambassador first up?
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  Speaker 1: Or be brought back home?
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  Speaker 7: Or Kevin?
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  Speaker 17: Wasn't it a devastatingly awkward moment. I know you've played
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  Speaker 17: it a couple of times already. It was hard to
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  Speaker 17: endure the first time, and it's even part of the second, third, fourth,
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  Speaker 17: and fifth.
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  Speaker 7: The poor Mike.
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  Speaker 17: Look if I were the Prime Minister and had to
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  Speaker 17: endure that, and I think he was putting on a
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  Speaker 17: bit of a fake laugh. I suspect he might look
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  Speaker 17: at ways of moving the ambassador on in due course
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  Speaker 17: without it looking like a knee jerk response to what
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  Speaker 17: was a terrible situation for the ambassador and equally for Australia.
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  Speaker 17: I'm mindful Kevin Wright has done great work in other
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  Speaker 17: parts that aren't necessarily presidentially facing. He's done great work
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  Speaker 17: in and around critical minerals and rare earths. But that
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  Speaker 17: was a devastating outcome for him, I imagine, terribly embarrassing
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  Speaker 17: as well, and one that forced him to eat some
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  Speaker 17: humble pie and apologize. Unfortunately that was not on the camera,
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  Speaker 17: so we'll have to take.
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  Speaker 7: His word for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see.
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  Speaker 3: Now tell us about this net zero climate and energy policy.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't Matt Canavan right? Isn't John Anderson right? The coalition
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  Speaker 3: has to get together quickly and thrash this out because
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  Speaker 3: the delays and the infighting and the speculation.
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  Speaker 2: Are killing you.
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  Speaker 17: They're writing that we do need to have a clear, comprehensive,
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  Speaker 17: honest policy for the next election. You know, well, Chris,
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  Speaker 17: so many countries have made commitments to net zero, and
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  Speaker 17: so many countries are failing to deliver on them. We
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  Speaker 17: ourselves are failing to deliver on the commitments that the
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  Speaker 17: Labor Party has made. We need to make sure that
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  Speaker 17: what we are going to commit to is in fact achievable,
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  Speaker 17: and that involves rearous discussions in and amongst our various
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  Speaker 17: separate party rooms and then together as a joint party room.
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  Speaker 17: The may I say, we also need to keep in
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  Speaker 17: mind the thirty three seats we don't hold and that
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  Speaker 17: we have lost over the last two elections.
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  Speaker 7: We need to be.
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  Speaker 17: Mindful of what are the priorities in terms of both
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  Speaker 17: industry affordable and abundant energy for the Australian people. But equally,
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  Speaker 17: what I still believe to be the case, they expect
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  Speaker 17: us to make a contribution to TIS over time.
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  Speaker 3: You've just got to stop, surely this sort of this
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  Speaker 3: political sooth saying we're looking at electorates and looking at
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  Speaker 3: polls and working out what might be the policy to
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  Speaker 3: nab this seat and that seat.
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  Speaker 1: The whole problem is no one's argued a coherent case.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you just need to work out what energy policy
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  Speaker 3: is best for this country and promote it and accept
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  Speaker 3: that the intelligence of at all voters will follow you
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: for taking the right decisions.
• 18:04
  Speaker 17: And to be fair, I think that's exactly what is
• 18:06
  Speaker 17: going on. Dantean's been running many conversations across the party
• 18:11
  Speaker 17: rooms and there's also a process going on within the
• 18:14
  Speaker 17: National Party separately as well. They are important conversations about
• 18:19
  Speaker 17: what we're going to take forward to the Australian people,
• 18:20
  Speaker 17: and Chris you know as well as I do, the
• 18:23
  Speaker 17: Australian people are not focused on what they're promising down
• 18:25
  Speaker 17: here in Victoria. I had a community round tape on Sunday.
• 18:28
  Speaker 17: They're focused on crime, they're focused on cost of living.
• 18:31
  Speaker 17: They are not asking us what our climate policy or
• 18:34
  Speaker 17: what our.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: They're focused on their electricity bills and what it's doing
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: to our economy and their household budgets. And that's a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: direct consequence of our energy policies.
• 18:44
  Speaker 17: But therefore what they're going to look for us to
• 18:45
  Speaker 17: say is and this is how much we think your
• 18:47
  Speaker 17: energy bill should be reduced by and that we can't
• 18:51
  Speaker 17: just pull out of the air. That involves hard work.
• 18:54
  Speaker 17: It's hard work that Danteen is leading.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Well, we all know we're two hundred and seventy five dollars.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: A year better off now according to the promises the
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: first time around from labor of course, where is it?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thoughe, We appreciate it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Zoe McKenzie there in Melbourne Electorate the morning to Peninsula
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Electorate of Flinders.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break. On the other side,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: we'll catch up with Tim Blair.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Chinese electric vehicles that
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: are being stockpiled at an amusement park. Let's go to
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph joins us from the
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: wilds of Western Victoria, from where he keeps the world
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: on us.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Points out the foibles of the planet.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Good to torture again, Tim, I love your latest column
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: talking about Jim Jarmas trying to sell Australia to the
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: money makers of Wall Street, the money grabbers of Wall Street.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I suppose I saw some of what.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: He said there too, and you've divided the whole cold
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and to us it's brilliant. But I saw where he's
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: actually spooking that we've got all this stuff in Australia
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: that the world wants, and he included renewable energy, persisting
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: with this fantasy that somehow we can export renewable.
• 20:03
  Speaker 18: Energy exactly because we're the only nation with sunlight apparently
• 20:08
  Speaker 18: or wind hydro. You know, no other place can do it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 18: But one of the big clues about how Jim Chalmers
• 20:16
  Speaker 18: operates is in his first budget when he referred to
• 20:18
  Speaker 18: Australian exports as things, and he was referring there to coal,
• 20:22
  Speaker 18: gas oil, just the things we sell overseas that he
• 20:26
  Speaker 18: didn't really want to mention because they're a bit icky
• 20:28
  Speaker 18: for modern labor and you just don't want to go there.
• 20:31
  Speaker 18: But now, of course we see that things being sold
• 20:34
  Speaker 18: overseas are a big deal again because the US wants
• 20:36
  Speaker 18: them and they should want them. So we're back to
• 20:39
  Speaker 18: mining again, which is good to see, I think.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a bit of what the Treasurer had to say.
• 20:45
  Speaker 19: Australia is an island of reliability and opportunity in a
• 20:50
  Speaker 19: sea of global economic uncertainty and risk.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: We have so much of what the world needs.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so much of what the world needs is iron
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: ore and the coal to heat it up and turn
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: it into steel, not to mention uranium, not to mention gas,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: all of our major exports. Just have a look at
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: what the mining industry has said about this is for
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: the third consecutive year the Australian mining industry has paid
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: more tax than all other sectors of.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: The economy combined.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: That's from Tanya Constable, the Minerals Councilors of Australia.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff bank.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Rolls our nation, charmers and aur but easier continually try
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: and sort of not mention the words they dare not
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: speak its name.
• 21:34
  Speaker 18: It's terrific, isn't it. It's also interesting that given all
• 21:38
  Speaker 18: the excitement today over the rare earths and the rearor's
• 21:42
  Speaker 18: deal with the US, that even if that were to
• 21:45
  Speaker 18: go through as it's currently planned, it would represent only
• 21:50
  Speaker 18: a tiny fraction of what coal is right now, we
• 21:53
  Speaker 18: are so much more reliant and so much more enriched
• 21:56
  Speaker 18: by coal. What's interesting is, well Charles says that you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 18: Australia is a place of certainty. What is certain is
• 22:04
  Speaker 18: that the amount of delays, that the amount of bureaucracy
• 22:08
  Speaker 18: and the amount of red and green tape that's going
• 22:10
  Speaker 18: to have to be jumped through to make this rare
• 22:12
  Speaker 18: Earth deal come true. It's immense. As we have the
• 22:16
  Speaker 18: most bureaucratically moribund set of rules and regulations in the world.
• 22:23
  Speaker 18: We are so paralyzed by it. We're going to have
• 22:25
  Speaker 18: to get rid of that because the US under Trump
• 22:28
  Speaker 18: wants things to happen right now.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll tell that to the people who want to
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: expand the Blaney gold mine or to Woodside and others
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: wanted to expand their gas exports from the Northwest Shelf
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: waiting for years for approvals and a case of Blainey
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that knocked back.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here is the Prime Minister talking up the minerals deal.
• 22:46
  Speaker 20: Today, Today's agreement on critical Minerals and raress is just
• 22:52
  Speaker 20: taking it to the next level. Seizing those opportunities which
• 22:56
  Speaker 20: are before us to take our relationship to that next level.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Just wait till Trump sees the environmental hurdles they have
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to get over, and whether or not they're allowed to
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: use diesel to dig it out of the ground or
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: electricity to process that. These things apparently not allowed too
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: much in Australia.
• 23:17
  Speaker 18: If our housing market, which is already overburdened by relation,
• 23:21
  Speaker 18: if our housing market was similarly constrained as our buying
• 23:25
  Speaker 18: an export market, Alba would still be on his first house.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, let's get your explanation for what's going on here
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: with electric vehicles. I've got these pictures of there's an
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: amusement part just down past Wollongong on the New South
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Wales South coast. It's shockers now with these BYD electric
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Chinese vehicles just park there.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: What is the problem. No on buying them. They're shipping
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: them in here and they can't sell them.
• 23:53
  Speaker 18: Well, the Telegraph's been hunting this story. We can't find
• 23:56
  Speaker 18: anyone to explain why they're all there. We've spoken to
• 23:59
  Speaker 18: the park so owners were spoken of. The brand's previous
• 24:02
  Speaker 18: importers were spoken of. The brand itself BYD which stands
• 24:06
  Speaker 18: for hilariously build your dreams or buy your debt as
• 24:11
  Speaker 18: others refer to it. And we can't get a straight answer.
• 24:14
  Speaker 18: It is at as you said, an amusement park. Maybe
• 24:16
  Speaker 18: it's part of a new ride, you know, ride your
• 24:20
  Speaker 18: way to economic ruin. Who knows, but it's certainly it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 18: an unusual one. One thing that is obvious is if
• 24:28
  Speaker 18: they're all sitting there, they don't have any buyers, do they?
• 24:31
  Speaker 18: So what does that indicate right now? Precious ev Market.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're all going flat and no one can
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: use the water slide because they can't get to park
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: in the car park.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It is a weird one. Thanks for joining us, Tim,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we'll catch you later in the week.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: The Jambarou amusement park here chockers with electric cars. They
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: can turn him into Dodgem cars.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: They gotta have a new treat, a new amusement there.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair says goodbye from the WIMRA and after we're
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: going to get back into what happened in Washington. Kevin
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Rudd and these core for him to actually be brought
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: home that is sacked he'd probably go home to New
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: York City but lose the job. Now, I'll get Kristen
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Tates's take on what happened in the US in just
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a moment, because as I told you earlier, of course,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the US President met with Anthony Albanezi at the White
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: House early this morning our time. Donald Trump, as I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: predicted yesterday, reaffirmed his support for Aucus.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: The President said, he's not.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Even worried about how much we're spending on defense.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: Why.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: I'd always like more, but they have to do what
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: they have to do. You know, you can only do
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: so much. I think they've been great. They're building magnificent
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: holding pads for the submarines.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: It's going to be expensive too.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't believe the level of complexity, right, and how
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: expensive it is. They're building tremendous docking because they have
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: a lot of ships and a lot of things happening.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: And I think their military has been very strong, very
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: very strong.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: He's big on the subs. That's good.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: No movement on tariffs, none was expected, but no admonition
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: either or uncertainty about Orcus or the fence spending. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: as I put it to a US contribute to Christian Tight.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: It was a pretty positive outcome from Australia's point of view.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great things are happening between Australia and the United States,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: and I think that the partnership will only grow stronger
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: over time. From my point of view, there was little
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: doubt that Trump was going to proceed with the nuclear
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: submarine deal. I see it as a win win for everybody.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Of course, it helps Australia by maintaining and supporting the fleet,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: but it also extends America's reach into Asia. And keep
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: in mind, Chris Trump is a deal maker. If you
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: read his book as I have, The Art of the Deal,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: you'll recognize that Trump never wants to make anything seem
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: too easy. So it's possible that he might have deliberately
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: cast some doubt on this deal because he wanted to
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: kind of court Australia's favor, and he also probably wants
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: to make it seem as though we're doing Australia a
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: favor because we need Australia for the rare Earth's mineral deal.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt that Orcust is good for America
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and for Australia, and people need to be realistic about that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: While we get better submarines, America or also gets use
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: of a submarine base.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: On the Indian Ocean. So there's no doubt about that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the minerals deal as well, the rare minerals deal.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: This is very important again for both countries. Here's what
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the President had to say about that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: We are discussing critical minerals and rare earths and we're
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: going to be signing an agreement that's been negotiated over
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: here to four or five months, and it was sort
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: of good timing that we got it done just in
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: that time for the visit. And we work together very
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: much on rare ears, critical minerals, and lots of other things,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: and we've had a very good relationship.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: We've been working into that for quite a while.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: In about a year from now, we'll have so much
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: critical mineral and rareers that you won't know what to
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: do with them.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you were signing, kristin again a win win.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: We've got these minerals, we don't have the capital and
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the markets to exploit it. We can work with America
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and Japan in this case so that there are alternative
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: supplies to these minerals rather than the whole world virtually
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: relying on China.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: That's right, China controls seventy percent of rare earth's mining
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and ninety percent of the refining and processing of these materials.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And these materials are in almost everything from defense equipment
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: to computer chips and cars. So this is a great
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: step in the right direction with the US and Australia.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: This is a national security threat that needs to be
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: addressed immediately, and again a win win situation here.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Sure, let's go to the to the sport of the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: meeting then and the way that the President, Donald Trump
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: dressed down our former prime minister. Now the ambassador in Washington,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Kevin Right, have a look.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know anything about him, and if he said bad,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Did an ambassador to say something bad? Don't tell me
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: where is he? Is he still working for? Yeah, you
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: said bad.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: Before I took his positions to prison.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: But I don't like you either, and probably never will.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Well, what the President probably didn't understand is that Rudd
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: was appointed biolb and easy after he'd said all those things,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't really reflect well on his judgment. Do
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: you think Kevin Rudd will be safe as ambassador after
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: all that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know, probably not. I love this interaction though.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Trump is a swaggering egomaniac, and I mean that in
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: the nicest way possible. He's just the ultimate alpha male.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: And when he'd found out this ambassador had said negative
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: things about him, he.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: Just swatted him down like a.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Fly and then moved on.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Trump is hilarious and this fast a nation with President
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Trump is probably the only thing keeping the left wing
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: mainstream media alive because those who hate him and those
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: who love him are completely fascinated him by fascinated by him.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: He's just a worldwide phenomenon.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of ego maniacs there. Kevin Rudd
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: as an ego maniac.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: So he had a swaggering egut maniac slapping down a
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: shrinking ego maniac in that exchange. The good news is
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: there's an invitation for Donald Trump to come to the US.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Here it is I.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Actually have been to Australia and I did play one
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: of your great golf courses. Have great golf courses there,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: But I have been to Australia.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, oh, I.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Would in fact I've been invited to go, and I'll
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: have to give it serious consideration.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: No, it's a real possibi, perhaps reutely ad time it
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: up must be said.
• 30:54
  Speaker 20: With the President's Cup Australia, those of will organize it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the trouble is Albanies.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: He didn't realize the President's Cup isn't until late twenty
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: twenty eight, So Donald Trump will probably be out of
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: the White House.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It's an election year in both countries. But that'd be
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: great to see him down on You never know, we
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: might see him before that.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he should definitely go.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: And it's well known that Trump is a passionate golfer,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: so he should go there to golf at some point
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: with your PM Trump and Finland's President Alexander Stubb, they
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: had very little in common in the until they played
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: golf together, and Stubb is an avid golfer that really
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: impressed Trump and they were kind of able to create
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: a friendship and a relationship around that. So Albany, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: if you were smart, he would reach out and invite
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: President Trump to golf in Australia and it could be
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: another step forward in the right direction for these two
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: very important men and a very important relationship.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to learn to play golf if he
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: plays golf. Slog there's not because I'm always out under
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the trees looking for my ball.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Kristen next week.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Chris.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: No, it's good to see Kevin Rudd bringing joy to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the world, isn't it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Now I want to go to some more now on
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the turmoil facing the Coalition, which is now of course
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: spread to the Nationals. I caught up with the former
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Nationals leader and of course Deputy Prime Minister for many years,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: John Anderson.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Now I asked him whether the departure of Barnaby Joyce
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: will be a loss for the Nationals.
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: Well, I think the point, the general point I'd make
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: is that I don't buy this line that the strength
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: and diversity. Quite frankly, I'm with Abraham Lincoln a house
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: divide and cannot stand so the Coalition, given that its
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: differences are spilled out into the open arena, the arguments
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: are there. We might as well have him, in a
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: full blooded way establish what we actually believe in and
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: go forward with some clarity and some conviction and some unity.
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: So the government stops getting away with being a very
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: weak and directionless government. I've always thought Parne of his
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: high intelligence meant that he's had a role to play
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: and I would be sorry to lose that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going obviously.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: He says he's been sidelined by David Little Proud, that
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: he's it's been made clear that he's not wanted in.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: The public debate. So that's his reason for leaving.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Is he right then to do that or should he
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: have tried to stay and have the debate internally.
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: Well, my personal view is that you have the debates,
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: you have them furiously. I don't know whether they've had
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: those or not. Perhaps it's reached the point of no return,
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: but my view is that you have those arguments. It's
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: regrettable when they stray into the public arena because the
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: public doesn't like this unity. But given that it has,
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: what this country needs now is a massive dose of reality.
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: We're not getting it. So let's have a full blood
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: of debate. I say, let's have all the disagreements out there.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: If we must disagree more, let's just do it in
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: a better way and then land in a better place.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: I think Barnaby can answer his view on that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that general proposition. I'll come back
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: to that in a moment. But first up, Barnaby has
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: spoken again today and he said he's not from turning.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He will be leaving the Nationals.
• 34:13
  Speaker 19: Here he is, I'm not going to do this thing.
• 34:15
  Speaker 19: We're out for twenty four hours or forty eight hours
• 34:18
  Speaker 19: and then your back.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: Note it's not that.
• 34:21
  Speaker 19: This is a really hard decision that I made, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 19: I thought of it over a very long period of
• 34:26
  Speaker 19: time as things got sort of worse and worse and worse,
• 34:29
  Speaker 19: to be honest, and.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Now I've made it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 19: There's nothing that's changed in the last couple of days.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It's whatever.
• 34:36
  Speaker 19: You know, I wouldn't create this kerfuffle if I was
• 34:39
  Speaker 19: just going to flip only go in and come back
• 34:41
  Speaker 19: and go out and then flip back in.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: So he's off from the Nationals at the next election.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: We don't know when he leaves the party room or
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: what he's doing next. And he was asked today about
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: again this proposition that he might turn up as a
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Senate candidate for one Nation.
• 34:57
  Speaker 19: Here he is again, Pauline, I have fought for bitterly
• 35:01
  Speaker 19: against one another, but things move on and I think
• 35:03
  Speaker 19: there are a lot of her causes that I have.
• 35:06
  Speaker 19: You know I have, and you know there's I'm on
• 35:10
  Speaker 19: a similar I'm on similar wavelength with But if you
• 35:13
  Speaker 19: say everything, no, of course not, but it's but that's
• 35:17
  Speaker 19: you know, but I have.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not a member of one nation. I have not
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: asked for a membership form.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: John Andison, what a defection to one nation compound any
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: damage to the Coalition and the Nationals by dragging away
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: some of their vote, Well, I think it would.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: But the Coalition has to be absolutely realistic.
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: It's very obvious in the numbers, black and white that
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: a lot of the base of the moment has moved
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: to one nation, at least as a protest warning if
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: you like. Bringing them back requires that the Coalition gets
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: its act together, and that's the whole of the coalition.
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: Disunity is death. And given that it's filled into the
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: public arena, this is the thing I'd want to say,
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: given that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: The Australian community is its self so practiced and so
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: uncertain on what matters, we might as well now have
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: the full blood of debate now. It would plainly send
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: shockwaves through the system. If Barnaby were to run as
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: a center candidate, He's a pre citizen. He can do
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: that if he likes He's not unintelligent, he's not smart
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: and not stupid, and he does care passionately about Australia.
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: He's a patriot. He once said that of me when
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: we disagreed a lot with lots of other things. I'll
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: say that about him now. But if he possibly can,
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: then it is very profound belief that a properly functioning
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: coalition has given Australia it's best governance in the past.
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: It can do it again in the future. But we've
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: got to end the division. You can only end the
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: division if you have a proper rout. Now I would
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: have preferred it behind closed doors. Hasn't happened that way,
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: So it's in the public arena. Let's have it properly
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: and settle on the things that have to be confronted.
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: If Australia slide into long term structure, all weakness is
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: to be arrested and if our children are to have
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: the opportunities that we had.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Well, A key policy there, and perhaps the central one
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: when it comes to coalition and Liberal Party disunity, is
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: net zero. Matt Canavan is saying that a party room
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Friday week both parties should come together and not just
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: thrash out the debate, but land on a position.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Is that's what needed.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: You've got to do this crystally so you can get
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: on with it, don't let it drag out any longer.
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: Yes, yes, I believe that's absolutely right. You've got to
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: take a position on it, and take it clearly and
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: explain it and lean on it and not simply follow it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: Because if you're following on this debate at the moment,
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: for example, he's a crystal example of what's going wrong here.
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: Crystal clear. The majority of Australians apparently still believe that
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: renewable energy is cheaper.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It isn't.
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: The international experience tells here. It's not cheaper, it's less reliable,
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: it's more expensive. It will damage what little industry we
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: have left now. It will continue to drag our GDP
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: and our growth down. And in addition to that, if
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: it's not handled in a much better way, it will
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: block us from the next to you like industrial revolution,
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: which is digital and AI. Concerned as we might be
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: about AI, that's where future wealth generation for Australia.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: Is going to come from.
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: Largely if our young people want opportunities. They need to
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: be engaged in this debate. Point one is renewables are
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: not cheaper. They've not been cheaper anywhere in the world
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: where you've pursued the sort of policy, not that anybody
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: has that Australia is doing at the moment.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Facts, evidence make the case. Leaders must lead.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, d one's really been making those arguments and
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: public perceptions would change dramatically if the Coalition led that debate.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, John Anderson. I appreciate it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a feeling the debate's going to drag
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: on for a while. They really should come up with a.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Position and pretty soon, Hey, we're going to take a break.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we've got our panel with Suso
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Brian and Stephen Sena Tiempo. We'll talk about just Sinta
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Allen in Victoria, what she's promising to do to protesters.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Let's get on with our Tuesday panel now with Suso
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Brian she's the News Court National Education at the Joint's
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Life from Melbourne and Stephen Senna Tiempo. Breakfast Radio House
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: hosted two Double C in the nation's capital. Good to
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Have you on both Again, I want to start with you, Susie,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: because I want to talk about these protests in Melbourne
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: on the weekend. Now, obviously I don't live in Melbourne,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: but I really want to get at Melbournie in perspective.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone supports the right to protest, but what's the feeling
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: among mainstream Melbournians about the lawlessness of these protests, the
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: regularity of them, and whether or not they should be
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: curtailed in some way.
• 39:52
  Speaker 21: Well, it's absolutely exhausting, you know, every weekend, the last
• 39:56
  Speaker 21: one with two thousand people kind of rampaging in the
• 39:59
  Speaker 21: streets Melbourne. And I think people genuinely just want our
• 40:03
  Speaker 21: city back. They want to be able to go into
• 40:05
  Speaker 21: the city and know that they're going to feel safe,
• 40:07
  Speaker 21: They're going to be able to do the things that
• 40:08
  Speaker 21: they want to do. Get a park, although of course
• 40:11
  Speaker 21: not even meant to do that these days, you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 21: and to actually feel that the city is ours. And
• 40:17
  Speaker 21: I do support the right to protest, but I feel
• 40:19
  Speaker 21: like when police are getting hurt, when people are covering
• 40:22
  Speaker 21: their faces with masks and rampaging in a kind of
• 40:27
  Speaker 21: violent way that puts others at risk, it's really gone
• 40:31
  Speaker 21: too far and people just want their city back.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've got a controller. They're going to stop
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the marching from through the city. Like me, you hail
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: from Adelaide. Originally you have protests on the steps of
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Parliament House and that's about it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: The rest of the city can get on with their life.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Why don't they do that on the steps of Parliament
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: House in Victoria or in those Treasury gardens next door
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Give them that defined area.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Just stop the marching all the way through the street
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: and bringing mayhem to everyone else.
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: It's just just logical, isn't it, Steve. And it happens
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: in cities, yeah, And I think that's the point. I mean,
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: we see you here in Canberray. If there's a protest
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: out on the lawns out in the front of Parliament House,
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: so be it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I mean that's what they're there for.
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: But when they start blocking marching across Commonwealth Avenue Bridge
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: or gluing themselves to.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: The ramp up to Parliament House.
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: I think there was a protest a couple of years
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: ago where they parked a truck across the ramp so
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: you couldn't get into Parliament House. I mean, this is
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: the kind of thing that people rail against, and everybody's
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: got the right to protest. I going to say I'm
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: a bit anti protests in the sense that none of
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: them actually achieve anything.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd protest against protests, but you got to let
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: people do it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: And I think the moment they impinge upon other people's rights,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: at the moment they stop other people going about their
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: daily lawful business, then they have to be curtailed by
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: law enforcement. I've got to say, I want to show
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you what just since Allen said yesterday, I gave you
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: way too much credit for this.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Have a look.
• 41:52
  Speaker 22: We are going to expand those police powers with new
• 41:55
  Speaker 22: laws to deal with people who are cloaking themselves under
• 41:59
  Speaker 22: masks to perform violent apps under the cloak of a protest.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Now, Susie, I stupidly gave it too much credit for that,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: because as soon as I brought on David Southwook, he said, well,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: they've been talking about this for years, and sure enough
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: in December last year, almost twelve months ago.
• 42:15
  Speaker 23: Have a look at what she said, will ban the
• 42:18
  Speaker 23: use of face masks and balaclava's at protests. We know
• 42:22
  Speaker 23: they are being used to conceal identities. Shield agitators from
• 42:26
  Speaker 23: crowd control measures like capsican spray. Well, face masks aren't
• 42:30
  Speaker 23: a free pass to break the law, and there should
• 42:32
  Speaker 23: be no place to hide in this state if you're
• 42:34
  Speaker 23: a racist stirring up hate on the streets.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So Susie, she's good on the talk, just no good
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: on the follow through.
• 42:43
  Speaker 21: Well, this should have happened nine months ago. I mean
• 42:46
  Speaker 21: they first brought in this legislation or foreshadowed this legislation,
• 42:49
  Speaker 21: and what have they been doing all this time? I
• 42:52
  Speaker 21: mean people are absolutely sick of this kind of Shenanigan's
• 42:55
  Speaker 21: where the center of Melbourne is kind of held to ransom,
• 42:58
  Speaker 21: Like I said before, where you've got the far right
• 43:00
  Speaker 21: and the far left, and you know what if I
• 43:02
  Speaker 21: don't want to stand still on the streets of Parliament House.
• 43:04
  Speaker 21: For them, it's a sport, it's a blood sport. And
• 43:07
  Speaker 21: you've got businesses that are going broke because no one's
• 43:10
  Speaker 21: going into the city anymore. People don't feel safe and
• 43:13
  Speaker 21: it's this kind of stuff that keeps people away.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Now we've had the Second World War, you know, we
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: had the Cuban missile crisis. We've had we've had presidents resigning,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: we've had all sorts of turmoil over the years at
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: the White House, but this is being lauded now, certainly
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: in Australia, as the greatest exchange that's ever happened at
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: the White House.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Here have a look at it again.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know anything about him, and if he said
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: bad then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: know an ambassador to say something bad about it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: Don't tell me.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Where is he?
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: Is he still working for? Yeah, you said bad.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Positions to prison?
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: But I don't like you either, and probably never will
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: know that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Steven, you be heartbroken for you, good mate, Kevin Rud,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you absolutely?
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: You know the old saying used to be, if you
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: don't like Toney Abbott, don't meet him. If you do
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: like Kevin Rudd, don't meet him. He's a blake that's
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: never met Kevin Rudden. Doesn't like him Ei. But what
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: does that say about our ambassador that he's sitting directly
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: in front of the President.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: The President doesn't recognize him.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Ah, who knows?
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, the President has a lot of meetings. This
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: would not have been the most important exchange of his day.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But he's so good at this stuff. I wouldn't be surprised.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: If he didn't know who he was and just did
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: it as a deliberate snub.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: But we shall see you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Tony Abbott.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: That's quite opportune because I want to draw a contrast
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: to here. Firstly, I want to show you what Susan
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Lee said about all this today.
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: I don't believe he should stay in that role. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: to see the Prime Minister actually laughing at his own
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: ambassador in the room when the President made a joke,
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: I think it it's untenable.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now, Susan, I think that's a big call, especially
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: two years after he's been there and finally got the meetings.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: By contrast, the latest we've got to Sky News has
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: picked up an interview with Tony Abbott today the former
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
• 45:15
  Speaker 24: Kevin and I have had our differences, but I think
• 45:19
  Speaker 24: that he's done a good job for Australia in Washington.
• 45:23
  Speaker 24: The critical minerals deal is very much a result of
• 45:29
  Speaker 24: Kevin Rudd's hard work, and good on Kevin for doing it.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: You go, Tony Abbott's in the rud cap rather than
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the Susan Lee camp.
• 45:40
  Speaker 21: Yes, it's just extraordinary. And that really. I mean, people
• 45:43
  Speaker 21: have been watching that footage all day. I mean, what
• 45:45
  Speaker 21: an extraordinary situation where you have an ambassador sitting in
• 45:49
  Speaker 21: it amongst the journalists, amongst the frey instead of up
• 45:53
  Speaker 21: at the table. And if he did have the role
• 45:55
  Speaker 21: that Tony Abbott is saying that Rudd played, why wasn't
• 45:59
  Speaker 21: he up table, you know, with the big kids, with
• 46:03
  Speaker 21: the journalists. I mean, you do have to wonder if
• 46:05
  Speaker 21: his days are numbered, is he going to get to
• 46:07
  Speaker 21: the point where he's working against us now that he's
• 46:10
  Speaker 21: on the presidential radar.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to just hope it all blows over
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: and they forget he even exists. I expect he'll be
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: very quiet on social media for a while, which will
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: be a blessing for all of us. I want to
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: go to a fantastic story that you've highlighted in your
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: column Susie, and then we've all got a view on it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: And this is the new environmentalism around Halloween, Steven, have
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: you had this stuff. You've got to be careful with Halloween.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: You don't want to have a big carbon footprint at Halloween.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: They're even saying that pumpkins, if you use them they're
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: going to produce greenhouse gases.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I mean fed ink.
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: Look, I'm sponsored by a fruit shop here in Canberra
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: that sells Halloween pumpkins and kids love them. They have
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: carving competitions and I mean, when are we going to
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: stop this rubbish?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You know, let kids be kids, Let kids have a
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: bit of fun.
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: Look, I'm not particularly a proponent of Halloween, but it's
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: used to bring communities together. I know my niece and
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: nephew love going out trick or treating and look for
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: the one night of the year that they do it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: How many Well what do we produce one percent of
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: carbon emissions worldwide anyway, and apparently we're going to save
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: the world by cutting our emissions.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Well, if we bann Halloween, that'll fix everything, won't it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Well done on picking up on this sues.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: It is ridiculous the amount of talk there is about
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: even counsels banning some forms of decorations or what not.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you banned Halloween, it's so popular these days,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I think half of Australia's dentists will go out of work.
• 47:34
  Speaker 21: Oh, it's just ridiculous. I mean it used to be
• 47:36
  Speaker 21: Halloween with sort of innocent fun where you go trick
• 47:39
  Speaker 21: or treating to the people unlucky enough to be living
• 47:41
  Speaker 21: in your street. And now it's a full blown environmental
• 47:45
  Speaker 21: catastrophe with danger lurking and every single use plastic.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: Corpse you know, out the front.
• 47:52
  Speaker 21: And look, I think it just assumes we're all idiots.
• 47:54
  Speaker 21: I mean most people are probably like me. You have
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: the same old, boring Halloween stuff that you take in
• 48:00
  Speaker 21: and out of the cupboard every year. It's not like
• 48:02
  Speaker 21: we go around and create our own carb and footprint
• 48:04
  Speaker 21: by buying everything new every year. And you know, like
• 48:08
  Speaker 21: I don't even like those cobwebs, you know, I think
• 48:10
  Speaker 21: they are bad for the boobs. But honestly, does it
• 48:13
  Speaker 21: need to be a full blown environmental catastrophe? And who's
• 48:17
  Speaker 21: trying to make Halloween green?
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: It's just awful.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: It is ridiculous. And you hit the nail on the
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: head when you say they're treatise like idiots. That's what
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: all the nanny state stuff is. It's all about making
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: decisions on our labour.
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: Got ninety four seats, Chris, Maybe we are all idiots.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: That thesis spares some investigation. We'll get back to it
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: next time. Actually joining us Stephen and Susio.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, just a bit of time to share
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: some of your feedback from what we had to say
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: last night about the coalition being in strife.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: One viewer says the LNP has lost its way. It
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: certainly has for now, that's for sure.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Another view says the Liberal Party and the Labor Party,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I can't tell the difference. Give us an alternative, and
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Richard says these clowns would have to be the most
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: underperforming opposition ever.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't even started yet.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: And one more viewer says, one would have thought that
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the coalition would have learnt from the last election.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Apparently not yet. Get check act.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Together, decide your positions, argue them with intelligence and passion.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: We're sick of waiting. Here's Peter Kredlin.