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Mel Was the Wrong Choice as the "Golden Bachelor," and He Told Us in Last Night's 2-Part Finale · I Do, Part 2

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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Thursday, November the sixth,
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Speaker 1: and we only have one more episode to go of
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Speaker 1: The Golden Bachelor, and after last night's episode, we might
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Speaker 1: finally know why mel Owens was the exact wrong choice
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Speaker 1: to be this year's Golden Bachelor, and it has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with how boring everybody says he is. And
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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Roapes.
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Speaker 1: This seems like a show that ABC maybe just wants
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Speaker 1: to get done with this year. It's been down in
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Speaker 1: the dumps. The franchise has been struggling, but Golden Bachelor
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Speaker 1: in particular is having a really bad year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think initially the idea was to appeal to
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Speaker 2: who is still watching TV, like broadcast TV, and it
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Speaker 2: is older folks.
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Speaker 3: But turns out.
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Speaker 2: No one wants to see older folks making out, but they.
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Speaker 1: Wanted to see it. Last year, Gary Turner season was
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Speaker 1: a successful one. It's a reason they got a second season.
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Speaker 1: That show was seen as somewhat not somewhat of It
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Speaker 1: was a hit, it was fun, it was different, and
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Speaker 1: I think I applaud the idea showing love at different
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Speaker 1: stages of life. It looks a little different. I applaud
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Speaker 1: the idea.
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Speaker 3: I love the idea. In fact, we've been watching.
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Speaker 2: We actually had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Gary,
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Speaker 2: and that will be later on I do Part two.
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Speaker 2: We'll get you that date and time in just a bit.
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Speaker 2: But we kind of got excited about watching the franchise
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Speaker 2: and I was into it and really into seeing how
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Speaker 2: older folks were all the same. At the end of
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Speaker 2: the day, we're all the same. We're all looking for love,
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Speaker 2: we all want a partner. We're all afraid of being hurt.
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Speaker 2: No one wants to be rejected. I thought it was
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Speaker 2: cool to watch, you know, I've watched Bachelor and different
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Speaker 2: iterations to see that we're all the same. It doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter how old you are, we all want the same thing.
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Speaker 1: I think it was fresh, it was it was different,
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Speaker 1: and yes, it expanded what our idea of love relationships
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Speaker 1: is supposed to look like. Look, we do a whole
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Speaker 1: podcast call I Do Part two about the idea of
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Speaker 1: people finding love later or the second or third or
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Speaker 1: fourth time around. So the idea was there. The ratings
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Speaker 1: have not been. We're going to get deeper into them.
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Speaker 1: But ropes, we'll just start with last season's season Premiere
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Speaker 1: had four point four million people. This season's had two
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Speaker 1: point five time, and it's been going down and down
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Speaker 1: and down and has hit under two million, to the
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Speaker 1: point of now, this is time to panic. When you
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Speaker 1: have a show that's lost nearly half of the viewership
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Speaker 1: of the season before, you got a problem and roads.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know this when we first started watching this season. Actually,
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Speaker 1: we only started watching because we knew last season's Golden
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Speaker 1: Bachelor was going to be in our studio. We start
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Speaker 1: watching this season and we got into it, But I
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Speaker 1: didn't realize what did we get into it about? Like,
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Speaker 1: what were we so into the women exactly? We were like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: she's fun, Oh she's cool. I like her, Get her
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Speaker 1: out of here. What we were so into the women?
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Speaker 1: How many conversations did we have about mel None?
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Speaker 2: Zero?
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize we never talked about him, never got
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Speaker 1: worked up about him, never got sad about him. Our
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Speaker 1: hearts didn't break for him. We weren't. He was just there.
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Speaker 2: Look, he's a good looking guy, A good looking older guy,
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Speaker 2: sixty six years old from Detroit, from Michigan. A former
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Speaker 2: NFL player, he played for the Rams. He is recently
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Speaker 2: divorced but apparently separated for the past five years.
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Speaker 3: And he's a nice guy.
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Speaker 2: But when you actually start watching it, you're right. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot to say. He's quiet, he's reserved.
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Speaker 2: He's your typical midwesterner. Now I know Gary's a Midwesterner
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Speaker 2: as well, but Mel is very reserved. And so, yes,
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Speaker 2: we were focused on the women, and they brought it.
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Speaker 2: They brought the energy, the excitement, the personality, the fun.
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Speaker 2: But they come and go and they get whittled down
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Speaker 2: and every show is Mel and Mel finding love.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think about it though, Babe, until we started
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Speaker 1: looking at the articles. But I didn't realize how much
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Speaker 1: we were not invested in him. We were invested in
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Speaker 1: her and Cindy and the firefighter and Peg, you know,
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Speaker 1: we were invested in everything else. But now that we
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Speaker 1: started reading the articles, like, oh, I guess I get it,
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Speaker 1: and we see what the issue has been. So they're
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Speaker 1: down to the final two. But last night, Robes in
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Speaker 1: the episode he said something that it all came together.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, it makes sense. He's down to
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Speaker 1: the final two. They have the what they call him
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Speaker 1: the suits.
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Speaker 4: The fantasy, fantasy sweets. Yes, I never get that right,
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Speaker 4: And help me understand. Is it understood by the viewers,
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Speaker 4: by the participants that the fantasy suites is under they're
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Speaker 4: going to go and be intimate?
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Speaker 3: Is that not necessarily intimate? Private?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So they finally get privacy for the first time
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Speaker 2: they've been dating, if that's what you want to call it.
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Speaker 2: All of these women, this is the first opportunity, whoever
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Speaker 2: the bachelor or bachelorette is. In this case, the golden
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Speaker 2: Bachelor gets private, one on one time with the the
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Speaker 2: last two remaining contestants. And yes, it is understood that
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Speaker 2: they can and might have sex.
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Speaker 1: Well, forgive me I. Okay, that's just a little aside
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Speaker 1: because I've never been necessarily clear in all the years
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Speaker 1: of covering Bachelor and Bachelorette. But like, does the other
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Speaker 1: contestants understand that the person that they're vying for is
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Speaker 1: going into a suite with somebody else that might be
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Speaker 1: having sex with correct? Okay, it's all understood.
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Speaker 2: It's all understood, But it doesn't mean that the other
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Speaker 2: folks wouldn't hold that person accountable.
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Speaker 3: You know, if you felt like you had a real.
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Speaker 2: Significant deep you shouldn't be doing that, Yes, relationship with
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Speaker 2: someone else. You're just gonna have sex with everybody and
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Speaker 2: see which one you like better after your physical test ride.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that is going to sit well with
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Speaker 2: a lot of folks, and it hasn't in the past.
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Speaker 2: But certainly there have been scandals in the sense that
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Speaker 2: people have admitted to having had sex in the fantasy suites.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it can run the gamut if
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Speaker 2: people do or don't apologies.
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Speaker 1: That was just all for me. I genuinely didn't fully
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Speaker 1: completely understand. So we down to the final two women.
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Speaker 1: Cindya six, she's a retired biomedical engineer, and peg is
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Speaker 1: sixty two. Now, before the season even got started. Don't
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Speaker 1: know how much this has an impact, but you remember,
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Speaker 1: and we didn't know we watched this first episode. He
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Speaker 1: was apologizing a lot, like, I'm sorry for what I
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Speaker 1: said on this podcast. We had what in the world
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Speaker 1: is he talking about? Well, he went on a podcast
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Speaker 1: before taping even started for this season, and this is
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Speaker 1: maybe where the wheels began to come off. But he
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Speaker 1: made statements robes that were for a guy who's sixty six,
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Speaker 1: you don't expect agism necessarily and discriminating.
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Speaker 3: Against Oh you do, though, when you're a woman, you
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Speaker 3: do expect it, actually.
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Speaker 1: But yes, to that point, he went on and talked
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Speaker 1: about the type of women he wanted to be on
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Speaker 1: his show, and he wanted them younger.
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Speaker 2: And so what I would say is that's not surprising,
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Speaker 2: and I would expect a sixty six year old man
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Speaker 2: to say that, but I wouldn't expect him to say
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Speaker 2: it publicly on a podcast before he goes on to
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Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: Do I have right? His wife was nearly twenty years younger.
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Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, yeah, and he admitted on the show that
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Speaker 2: she basically wanted a divorce from him, dumped him because
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Speaker 2: she wanted to be with someone more her age.
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Speaker 1: Oh boy, this is some full circle shoot yaz.
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Speaker 3: But this is what folks warn't about, whoever you are.
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Speaker 2: If you marry someone twenty twenty five, thirty years older
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Speaker 2: than you, it might be great when you're twenty and
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Speaker 2: they're forty, but fast forward twenty thirty forty years it's
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Speaker 2: a completely different situation.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So that started his mess. At the beginning, he
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Speaker 1: was on a podcast had to do with the University
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Speaker 1: of Michigan football team or he played ball, but it
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be kind of light and kind of fun.
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Speaker 1: And he said he was asked by producers what his
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Speaker 1: preferences were. He said, ages forty five to sixty, just
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Speaker 1: being honest. Then we had lunch with the executive producers.
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, if they're sixty or over, I'm
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Speaker 1: cutting them. That's tough going on the Golden Bachelor. And
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Speaker 1: all the women on the Golden Bachelor, the women they
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Speaker 1: gave him an option, they were rage range age what
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Speaker 1: fifty eight to seventy seven? Yes, and the majority were
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Speaker 1: in that really kind of sixty five seventy two range, you.
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Speaker 3: Know what that's called babe age appropriate.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's sixty six that those would be the women
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Speaker 2: he went to school with. They are the women who
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Speaker 2: are in his age bracket.
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Speaker 1: He ends up. Now, the last two happened to be
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Speaker 1: I think two of the five youngest that were there,
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Speaker 1: but they were sixty and sixty two, but certainly the younger.
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Speaker 2: What was even tougher about what he said because he
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Speaker 2: followed up after saying, I'll cut them if through over sixty,
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Speaker 2: And then he went on to explain that producers told him,
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Speaker 2: oh no, this is not the Silver Bachelor. This is
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Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor. But they're going to be hot. Don't
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Speaker 2: worry about it. Don't worry about it.
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Speaker 3: Whoooo. That's also tough.
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Speaker 1: So he says all this on a podcast, so controversy
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Speaker 1: starts before the show even gets rolling. This is how
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Speaker 1: the thing starts and what was the result thin ropes.
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Speaker 1: The ratings we talked about last season's premiere four point
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Speaker 1: four million, this season two point five million. Last season
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Speaker 1: second episode only dropped off a little. It had four
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Speaker 1: point three million viewers. The second episode of this season
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Speaker 1: one point nine mill. You hear that, folks, between four
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Speaker 1: point three and one point nine the third episode of
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Speaker 1: last season four million, third episode this season one point
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Speaker 1: eight million, and then robe last week's episode again they don't.
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Speaker 1: They're down to the finale.
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Speaker 2: This is when people tune in, even if you haven't
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Speaker 2: been washed it all along. It's fun to jump in
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Speaker 2: for the finale. But last week's episode only got one
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Speaker 2: point nine to nine million.
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Speaker 1: That's bad. That's real bad, and they know it. I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna go through all the headlines and the but
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Speaker 1: a lot is being said out there about the show,
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Speaker 1: the future of the show. Who should be held accountable
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Speaker 1: for the ratings this year, but robes everywhere. I don't
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Speaker 1: see a whole lot of criticism of the show only
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Speaker 1: at the selection of this guy. Correct, he's not a charisman.
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Speaker 1: He could be the nicest guy in the world. And
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Speaker 1: he does seem to be accomplished, raised his kids, professional
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Speaker 1: career in football transitioned to being a successful attorney. A
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Speaker 1: Midwestern or who can't like mischieg gander.
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Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: Being a Michigander myself, it's fun when I didn't know
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Speaker 2: anything about him when we first started watching it, and
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Speaker 2: I said that accent, I bet he's from Michigan, and
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Speaker 2: then sure enough. And the thing is, look, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'll generalize because I'm among them, but look, Midwesterners are nice.
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Speaker 2: We don't tend to be loud, outspoken, controversial, exciting, no flair, yes,
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Speaker 2: and it's just it's it's we're thoughtful, peaceful, like just
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Speaker 2: generally speaking, you don't it's not like you put somebody
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Speaker 2: from Michigan with someone from New Jersey. Boom, Now you've
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Speaker 2: got something interesting to watch. Maybe so maybe they were
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Speaker 2: thinking the women coming in and I believe her.
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Speaker 3: Name was Amy, and was she from New Jersey. But
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Speaker 3: there was some funny, fun characters.
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Speaker 2: The problem is they didn't last, and so the show
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Speaker 2: loses a little bit of the pizazz if your main
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Speaker 2: character isn't the one with all of the charisma and.
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Speaker 1: Charm, you know, and some of the pizzazz was voted away.
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Speaker 1: I would I'm thinking about some of his final ones,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, the fire is got some great in her.
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Speaker 1: Peggy love her, but some of the others were very
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Speaker 1: do you know what they Matt, We said this. I
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Speaker 1: didn't think he would end up with this firefighter. I
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Speaker 1: said she's too much for him.
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Speaker 3: She's too much for him.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what you said. But she's great for the show.
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Speaker 2: And I will say that. Look, I do think some
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Speaker 2: of these women and you hear their stories and you
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Speaker 2: feel for them. They're vulnerable, they're a little shy, they're
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Speaker 2: a little.
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Speaker 3: You know, war weary.
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Speaker 2: They've been through a lot of crap, and so maybe
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Speaker 2: that also adds to the There is a reservation about
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Speaker 2: perhaps older women who have been who have lived through
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Speaker 2: enough life versus young you know, firecracker girls who just
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Speaker 2: will say anything, do anything. There was one of them
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Speaker 2: in this group this season, but she was the one
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Speaker 2: you love to hate. But again, once she left, there
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Speaker 2: wasn't that everyone needs a don't. Most reality shows go
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Speaker 2: by a formula, and you need the person you hate
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Speaker 2: and the person you're rooting for and the person. Yes,
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Speaker 2: you need those characters and the folks behind the scenes,
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Speaker 2: and these all these reality shows are casting. Just as
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Speaker 2: much a casting director would do for a show, they
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Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 3: For a reality show as well.
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Speaker 1: But what we've been We've been around enough folks who
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Speaker 1: always say to us, the last thing you want is
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Speaker 1: to be irrelevant. You have to in some way evoke
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Speaker 1: some kind of emotion from people. They love you, they
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Speaker 1: hate you, but it's worse if they just don't feel
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Speaker 1: anything for it.
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 1: And mel is kind of a guy where h yes.
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Speaker 2: I see you have a headline in here about what
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Speaker 2: the critics believe the issue is with the down trotted ratings,
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Speaker 2: and this one kind of sums it up.
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Speaker 3: The last one you have in here.
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Speaker 1: Well to that point, there's a bunch that talk about
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Speaker 1: him being boring for different reasons, and he was bad
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Speaker 1: casting and all this, and I put this one in
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Speaker 1: their robes because this is the one, You know what,
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Speaker 1: this one just sums it up better than most of them. Yes,
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Speaker 1: this was after the first episode.
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Speaker 2: After the first episode, okay, the critic wrote, Wow, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but you kind of could tell that's true. No amount
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Speaker 2: of depth or charm from the women can make up
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Speaker 2: for where this season has gone wrong. Mel Owens simply
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Speaker 2: isn't a charismatic lead.
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Speaker 3: That's tough.
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Speaker 1: We do it is and wonderful people can be bad TV,
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Speaker 1: that's okay, And people who are great TV some of
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Speaker 1: the shittiest people you haven't meet in your laves. I
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Speaker 1: right say that you couldn't stand to be around for
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Speaker 1: ten minutes in real life, but you'll watch them on TV. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's just how it goes. What do you do? It's
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Speaker 1: a hit and miss. It's it's hard to all the
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Speaker 1: pressure on them to pick the right guy that's gonna
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Speaker 1: appeal to everybody. This is why they got Frankie Taylor
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Speaker 1: Paul now exactly. She's gonna bring it. This won't be
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Speaker 1: a problem with it.
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Speaker 2: If The Golden Bachelor comes back for a third season,
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Speaker 2: I have a feeling they will go in that direction.
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Speaker 1: That direction, that extreme direction.
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Speaker 2: We wait, we've only had the Golden Bachelor, have we
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Speaker 2: had the Golden Bachelor, right yet, yes, we had which.
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Speaker 1: One started it? I thought the Golden Bachelor.
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Speaker 2: Now, because honestly, we're new to the game again because
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Speaker 2: we interviewed Gary Turner. We we're excited about seeing this
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Speaker 2: franchise that we hadn't checked out yet. So we're new
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Speaker 2: to this and uh, it's been interesting and I wonder
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Speaker 2: if they'll take the well, we'll see what happens. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: they still have to see what happens with Taylor Frankie Paul.
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Speaker 1: We know what's gonna happen with Frankie Taylor.
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Speaker 3: I said it wrong. It's Taylor Frankie Paul. Frankie Taylor.
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Speaker 3: We both said it differently.
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Speaker 1: Ms Paul. It's gonna be a great choice for that show.
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Speaker 1: We know she's going to be great. And another one
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Speaker 1: I saw is not in front of me, but I
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Speaker 1: just saw some social media user talking about how boring
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Speaker 1: this season was and said they should just stop it
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Speaker 1: now and let's just wait for the master class in chaos,
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Speaker 1: which will be Frankie Taylor Paul or Taylor Frankie Paul.
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Speaker 1: Which one? Is it? All right?
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Speaker 2: Let me lookause now my whole head is we are
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Speaker 2: so so sorry, I think it's Taylor Frankie Paul.
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Speaker 3: But oh no, I think no, wait.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, no way, we don't call her Frankie Taylor.
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Speaker 1: It's Taylor Frankie Paul. They tay the Frankie fall. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm feel good about it, but folks, stay here. In
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Speaker 1: addition to figuring out all the names of the people
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Speaker 1: we're talking about in this episode, when we come back,
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Speaker 1: I will explain what we were talking about off the top,
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Speaker 1: why mister mel Owens made clear himself in last night's episode,
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Speaker 1: why he was the exact wrong guy to cast in
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Speaker 1: this show. Stay here, all right, The Golden Bachelor hasn't
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Speaker 1: been so golden for ABC this season. We've been talking
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Speaker 1: here about mel Owens him being the wrong person cast.
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Speaker 1: That is not us necessarily saying that. That is what
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Speaker 1: the TV critics and a lot of people, a lot
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Speaker 1: of viewers are saying, You're just not that charismatic. I
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Speaker 1: don't haven't seen anything negative but necessarily about him, No
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Speaker 1: dogging him or he's this or he's that, other than
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Speaker 1: he's just doesn't have the charisma to necessarily be a
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Speaker 1: TV star, right.
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Speaker 2: I think maybe even with the podcast comments, they were
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Speaker 2: hoping that would get people to watch seriously, Like the
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Speaker 2: only thing that's been said negative about him were surrounding
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Speaker 2: his podcast remarks, and he quickly addressed them first episode,
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Speaker 2: apologized to everyone, and then never made another mistake again,
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Speaker 2: which probably was to his own detriment.
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Speaker 1: You know what you say that now about the apology,
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Speaker 1: we saw the top even in that it was kind
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Speaker 1: of boring and matter of fact, and were kind of like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: seems like a nice enough guy, and we moved on.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine anything vicious coming out of his mouth.
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Speaker 1: I have to he apologize, Like what did he say?
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting, like just watching his interactions with the women.
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Speaker 2: He's so careful, he's so reserved and controlled, and that's
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Speaker 2: all wonderful in someone who you might be dating and
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Speaker 2: someone who is trying to make a smart, thoughtful decision.
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Speaker 3: But it's not that interesting on television.
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Speaker 1: Okay, to your point, Cindy, was it he was talking
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Speaker 1: to one of the women in the episode last night.
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Speaker 1: Cindy's kind of how the episode wrapped up. They were
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Speaker 1: doing their one on one night and robes this was
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Speaker 1: interesting and this is the conversation and we've had conversations
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Speaker 1: like this about this when it comes to relationships and
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Speaker 1: you have a woman here. The conversation goes back and forth,
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Speaker 1: and she's essentially trying to get answers from him. Where's
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Speaker 1: your head, where's your heart? What do you want? What
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Speaker 1: do you see from us? And he explained to her,
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Speaker 1: he said this, I am smart enough to know my
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Speaker 1: life doesn't work this way, when what he was talking
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Speaker 1: about is taking leaps of faith. He said, I Am
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Speaker 1: going to be smart and meticulous and careful and take time.
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Speaker 1: Her point is, you just came on the Golden Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: This whole show is a leap of faith. Can he
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Speaker 1: at all be the guy to lead this franchise If
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Speaker 1: you have an attitude of I need time to make
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Speaker 1: decisions about relationships, that right there should have disqualified him
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Speaker 1: in any interview he did in getting ready for this show.
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Speaker 2: And what's so interesting about that is she basically said
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Speaker 2: that to him. She said, I am taking a leap
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Speaker 2: of faith, and this is what you signed up for.
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Speaker 2: Isn't this whole show about taking a leap of faith?
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Speaker 2: And add to that, when you say you're in the
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Speaker 2: golden years of your life, time is not on your side.
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Speaker 2: And she made a really excellent point which I totally
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Speaker 2: agreed with. She said, so you didn't even get married
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Speaker 2: until your mid forties, so you took all this time
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Speaker 2: trying to pick the right woman, and even with all
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Speaker 2: that time and all that thought and all those smarts
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Speaker 2: you put into your decision, it still ended in divorce.
18:41
Speaker 2: And she said same. I mean she's also someone who
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Speaker 2: I think is out of a divorce I think a
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Speaker 2: twenty something year marriage, so they have very similar backgrounds.
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Speaker 3: And she's like, so, what's holding you back now?
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Speaker 2: Because that's how you applied your decision making last time around,
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Speaker 2: see how it turned out. So why not take this
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Speaker 2: leap of faith with me? I thought, frustrated for her
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Speaker 2: with her, and.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people I don't want to
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Speaker 1: just say women, I think a lot of people did,
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Speaker 1: and that for me makes this season worth it. They
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Speaker 1: highlighted something right there that is so key in every relationship.
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Speaker 1: Almost you can imagine what are we doing? Are we
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Speaker 1: making the best decision with our head and on paper,
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Speaker 1: or are we taking a leap of faith? Does it
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Speaker 1: have to be some kind of balance to that? But
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Speaker 1: I felt Robes it was so sitting there looking at her,
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Speaker 1: and she is, well, you know what, these two are
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Speaker 1: our favorite. I can't say we have necessarily a one.
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Speaker 1: But I felt it was so unfair to her and
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Speaker 1: those other twenty plus women who are here thinking love
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Speaker 1: in love second chance could leave here with an engagement
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Speaker 1: with a guy who said I who now is admitting
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Speaker 1: in the eleventh hour, I need time. This is a process.
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Speaker 1: I'm not leading with my heart. I'm not taking a
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Speaker 1: leap of faith. That's just not compacts with the show
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Speaker 1: or with these women. It felt unfair.
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Speaker 2: Agreed, and I think you you make the point. We
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Speaker 2: were talking about what this means in general, but when
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Speaker 2: you see younger people and younger leads and shows like this,
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Speaker 2: they're they're bigger risk takers. They just are younger folks
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Speaker 2: are in general. But it's so interesting to me. I know,
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Speaker 2: we all are making decisions based on past experiences and
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Speaker 2: even failures, but my god.
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Speaker 3: I feel like older people should be quicker to take
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Speaker 3: a risk.
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Speaker 2: You are running out of time. What are you waiting
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Speaker 2: for tomorrow? You could walk into the doctor and get
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Speaker 2: the worst news possible. And seriously, when you get to
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Speaker 2: a certain age, what do you talk.
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Speaker 3: About with your friends?
20:41
Speaker 2: Oh, this happened, and this person's just got diagnosed with that.
20:44
Speaker 2: I just I find it so ironic that older people
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Speaker 2: are less willing to take a risk, that they're more
20:50
Speaker 2: I guess you're more set in your ways, so to speak,
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Speaker 2: but you're more risk averse, well.
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Speaker 1: With the heart possibly, And you made this point a
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Speaker 1: younger folks. Younger if you're twenty five, this dude doesn't
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Speaker 1: work out. Look at all the people from Love Island,
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Speaker 1: they all broke up within what two weeks of the show.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, who cares?
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Speaker 4: Moving on?
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Speaker 3: I'm still hot, I can You'll find someone else.
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Speaker 1: If this doesn't work off for one of those two women.
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Speaker 2: I know, well, we already saw the few he sent away,
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Speaker 2: the last couple heart broken, and it wasn't tears for
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Speaker 2: the camera. It wasn't playing for the role that they
21:23
Speaker 2: agreed to be in. No, their hearts were and you
21:26
Speaker 2: could see and the women tell all they were still crying,
21:29
Speaker 2: two of them specifically heart broken because they were so
21:33
Speaker 2: desperate to find love. I did appreciate this, and I
21:35
Speaker 2: think we should point this out. In a lot of
21:37
Speaker 2: the reality shows we've been frustrated by. It's become a
21:40
Speaker 2: game about getting an increased following on social media, about
21:44
Speaker 2: becoming a bigger or better influencer, about getting a big
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Speaker 2: brand deal. You could tell these women, with the exception
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Speaker 2: of perhaps one, we're all in it truly, truly, because
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Speaker 2: they really wanted a partner for the last part.
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Speaker 3: Of their lives.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do not knock him for his attitude.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I would approach a lot of things the
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Speaker 1: same way. But in this environment, given who these ladies
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Speaker 1: are now, I appreciate the honesty, like, hey, I'm bean
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Speaker 1: straight with you, this is what's going on, and this
22:14
Speaker 1: is where I am. But it was a heartbreaking moment
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Speaker 1: for a woman and for all of these women to
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Speaker 1: actually now at the end, like that announcement should have
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Speaker 1: been in episode one when they stepped out of that limo.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm mel I'm really not looking for an
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Speaker 1: engagement right now. I want to take this thing slow.
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Speaker 2: But there are rumors online that he does get engaged,
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Speaker 2: and in the previews they show him looking at a
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Speaker 2: ring in a box. So if he does propose, could
22:41
Speaker 2: it be that he is also trying not to show
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Speaker 2: his hand. He's not supposed to let either woman know
22:48
Speaker 2: where his head is, where his heart is because it
22:50
Speaker 2: needs to all be a surprise.
22:52
Speaker 1: Well, she had a rope node asleep after here talking
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Speaker 1: to him last.
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Speaker 2: You know what was interesting though, So in this latest
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Speaker 2: episode we see Peg wake up in bed with him.
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Speaker 2: She's in a robe, he's shirtless. They're intimate and all cozy.
23:04
Speaker 2: We don't get that with Cindy. Cindy, we didn't. It
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Speaker 2: just ended with her being a little frustrated by their
23:11
Speaker 2: evening conversation about where this is going.
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Speaker 1: They might pick up and they who knows how the
23:16
Speaker 1: night ended, but it was these shows, every single dating show,
23:21
Speaker 1: reality show, relationship show always ropes, no matter how much.
23:26
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm dismissive, but everybody's hot and they're just running around.
23:30
Speaker 1: There's always relationship lessons. Right smack Dad in the middle
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Speaker 1: if you're looking for yes, right there with him.
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Speaker 2: And we will be watching the finale next week. Correct, yes,
23:43
Speaker 2: and we will find out who Mel chooses, not because
23:46
Speaker 2: we care about who Mel.
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Speaker 3: Ends up with, but because we really really love.
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Speaker 2: Peg and Cindy and we can't wait to see which
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Speaker 2: one ends up potentially with the ring on it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we like Mel, Yeah, I have no We have
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Speaker 1: been jumping to watch these episodes but not for mal
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Speaker 1: we have a problem.
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Speaker 3: But it's honestly, I would say, if you haven't checked
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Speaker 3: it out, oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's fun to just go ahead. There are not that
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Speaker 2: many episodes. We got through them in a day.
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Speaker 1: It's up only eight or something.
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Speaker 2: There's only eight, yes, so it's fun to catch up
24:19
Speaker 2: in time for next week's finale. Not trying to necessarily
24:22
Speaker 2: throw ratings anyone's way, but it really is. I do
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Speaker 2: like relationship shows that are authentic, and from this season,
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Speaker 2: most if not all, of these folks seem to be
24:35
Speaker 2: there for the right reasons.
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Speaker 1: So, folks, I always appreciate you hanging. I can't believe
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Speaker 1: we are here encouraging you, pushing you and promoting an
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Speaker 1: ABC Disney show.
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Speaker 2: That was in my last comment in a veiled way,
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Speaker 2: like you know, we're not necessarily trying to promote the show,
24:56
Speaker 2: but no, we do believe in these types of relationship shows.
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Speaker 1: We call this growth robes. We're in a good place
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Speaker 1: and with that, folks, we all appreciate you spending some
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