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The Muddy Man · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I call
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Speaker 1: this episode The Muddy Man. This is the story of
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Speaker 1: two sisters, Karen and Susan Sands, who experienced a series
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Speaker 1: of really remarkable visitations throughout their childhood. Susan, later as
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Speaker 1: an adult, would have more encounters, so she was apparently
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Speaker 1: the target of these visitations. It's a very interesting UFO
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Speaker 1: contact story with some interesting things to say about the
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Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon, and that's why I wanted to present this
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Speaker 1: case to you today. Their story begins in 1963 in Arlita, California.
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Speaker 1: The Sands family had just purchased a new house, and
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Speaker 1: Karen and Susan shared a room. Karen was six years
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Speaker 1: old and Susan was only two years old. And it
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Speaker 1: was Karen who noticed this visitation first. This strange figure
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Speaker 1: coming into their bedroom. And it was always the same thing.
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Speaker 1: This figure would appear often from the closet area and
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Speaker 1: move over to Susan's crib and stand over the crib.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just let Karen described in her own words
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Speaker 1: how this all started. As Karen says, I used to
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Speaker 1: always be afraid of what I called the muddy man.
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Speaker 1: He always used to go over to my little sister
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Speaker 1: Susie's bed and he always used to come up to
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Speaker 1: her crib and stick his hand in. He floated off
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Speaker 1: the ground. He was about three or four feet tall, bald,
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Speaker 1: and he was always drippy. He always went over to
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Speaker 1: my little sister's bed Every time I saw him, he
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Speaker 1: would come over and he would look over at me,
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Speaker 1: and then he would go to the foot of the
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Speaker 1: bed of my little sister. And I was always afraid
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Speaker 1: that he was going to get her or take her away,
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Speaker 1: and I would just try to stay awake because I
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Speaker 1: thought he was going to hurt her. I was awake.
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Speaker 1: I was always awake. I'm sure because that was one
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Speaker 1: of the things. I was afraid to go to sleep
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Speaker 1: because I thought he would take her. I don't know why,
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Speaker 1: but I always thought he would take Susan. So this
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Speaker 1: went on over and over again. Karen did tell her parents,
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Speaker 1: but her parents didn't believe that this was real and
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Speaker 1: told her she was just having nightmares. But Karen knew
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Speaker 1: these were not nightmares. She was awake, and this happened
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Speaker 1: on a weekly basis over a period of years. Over
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Speaker 1: and over again, it was always the same thing. This
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Speaker 1: muddy man would appear from the closet area, usually, and
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Speaker 1: go over to Karen's crib and stand over it. As
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Speaker 1: Karen says, I remember a lot of times he'd put
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Speaker 1: his little hand out on her bed, and I think
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Speaker 1: it had only three little fingers. He never had a
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Speaker 1: full hand. It was always bony. And I remember it
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Speaker 1: was dripping and floating. I usually didn't see any arms
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Speaker 1: or legs. It had a very tall forehead. You know,
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Speaker 1: when I first heard people talking about extraterrestrials, and I
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Speaker 1: saw that picture of the communion people. It looked like him,
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Speaker 1: except he had a much, much taller forehead, more bulbous.
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Speaker 1: His eyes were big and went around the side of
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Speaker 1: his head. He had a neck, and it was bony.
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Speaker 1: I never really saw anything because he was always covered
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Speaker 1: in darkness. He was always wet. I never actually saw
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Speaker 1: his torso or his legs. All I remember mostly is
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Speaker 1: his shoulders being bony, his arms, and the rest just hovering.
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Speaker 1: So as I said, this figure usually would come from
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Speaker 1: the closet area, and as the years passed, it just
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Speaker 1: kept appearing on a weekly basis. So this was hundreds
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Speaker 1: and hundreds of times. It didn't always go to the crib.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it would just come in and check on them,
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Speaker 1: like peering into their room from the closet area. And
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Speaker 1: I'll just let Karen describe again one of these incidents,
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Speaker 1: particularly where it was peering out of the closet. As
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Speaker 1: Karen says, he would sometimes come out and he would
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Speaker 1: be surveying or looking around and then he would disappear.
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Speaker 1: But most of the time he always seemed to have
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Speaker 1: a purpose, which was go to the foot of my
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Speaker 1: sister's bed. And during us growing up, my sister's bed
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Speaker 1: was at different places. There was one point where my
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Speaker 1: sister's bed was next to mine, another time it was
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Speaker 1: across the room, and another time when it was in
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Speaker 1: the corner. But he always went there. So at this time,
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Speaker 1: of course, Susan was getting older and older. This started
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Speaker 1: when Susan was two years old. She doesn't remember that
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Speaker 1: far back, but it was around age four, five, or
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Speaker 1: six that she absolutely does remember this muddy man figure
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Speaker 1: coming over her bed and staring at her. The first
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Speaker 1: really clear incident occurred, she's guessing, around age five or six.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just let Susan describe in her own words
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Speaker 1: what this was like. As she says, My first recollection
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Speaker 1: is waking up, and I'm positive that I was awake
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Speaker 1: and that it wasn't a dream. I don't even know
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Speaker 1: why I woke up, but there seemed to be a
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Speaker 1: reason for it. I looked up, and he was sitting
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Speaker 1: on my bed, leaning forward, just looking at me. I
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Speaker 1: don't remember any actual features, but I do remember the
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Speaker 1: shape of him very clearly. It was dark, but he
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Speaker 1: was shaped like those aliens you see. That's the only
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Speaker 1: way to describe it. He was very, very thin and short.
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Speaker 1: I could tell it was a short little person. And
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Speaker 1: my first thought was that it was a burglar. My
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Speaker 1: second thought was, no, he doesn't look right. These thoughts
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Speaker 1: came in like a split second. He had a thin body.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see any feet or hands. In those split seconds,
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Speaker 1: I was so terrified. I went to scream, and nothing
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Speaker 1: would come out. And immediately, I had this feeling of
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Speaker 1: needing to sleep. And I pulled the covers over my head,
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Speaker 1: and I went into what I call a severe sleep.
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Speaker 1: I remember feeling like I had been drugged. Like Karen,
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Speaker 1: Susan went and told her parents, and again, Her parents
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Speaker 1: did not believe her, told her she must be having nightmares.
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Speaker 1: And Susan remembers several incidents. She doesn't remember the hundreds
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Speaker 1: like Karen does, but she does remember several times that
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Speaker 1: this happened. And she never really got a good look
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Speaker 1: because it was really frightening to her. I can understand
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Speaker 1: this because they were coming for her and Karen was
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Speaker 1: able to get a better look at it because I
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Speaker 1: feel like she had less fear of this. because they
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Speaker 1: weren't coming for her directly. But this was absolutely terrifying
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Speaker 1: for Susan, and like Karen, Susan saw that they were
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Speaker 1: coming from the closet area, and she developed a real
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Speaker 1: big fear of closets. This is quite common among contactees,
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Speaker 1: by the way. I'm beginning to think these ETs use
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Speaker 1: closets as kind of the portal area, a good place
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Speaker 1: to come in and out of, perhaps because they know
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Speaker 1: they won't be disturbed in there. I don't know. That's
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Speaker 1: a feature that turns up in a lot of cases.
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Speaker 1: So this continued quite a bit. One incident that Susan
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Speaker 1: does remember was very strange. She doesn't even like to
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Speaker 1: talk about it because it's so strange, but she did
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Speaker 1: agree to tell me about it, and I'll just let
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Speaker 1: her describe it in her own words. Again, she saw
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Speaker 1: these ETs coming out of the closet, and as Susan says,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, I'd gotten up to go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: This is a very odd one, and it sounds so
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Speaker 1: ridiculous that you just don't say it. I went to
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Speaker 1: the bathroom and came back, and the closet door was
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Speaker 1: open and the light was on. And there he was,
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Speaker 1: in there, with what I call a mottled face. Something
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Speaker 1: like that. And I won't say that my mother was
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Speaker 1: in there with him, but I felt like it was
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Speaker 1: a clone of my mother. I really do. Like it
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Speaker 1: was something made up for me to see. and she
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Speaker 1: was folding things and putting them in a special drawer
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Speaker 1: that I don't think even existed in the closet. And
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Speaker 1: then he turned to me with a little gray box
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Speaker 1: and showed it to me, kind of nodding like I
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Speaker 1: knew something, and then put it back in this drawer.
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Speaker 1: I went back to bed. I didn't think or say anything.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember. I remember being scared, but that didn't
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Speaker 1: seem to last. I got back into bed, and I
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Speaker 1: went back into sleep. So Susan did get a good
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Speaker 1: look at the figures this time, and she describes them
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Speaker 1: very much like we think of as gray aliens. But again,
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Speaker 1: at this time, they weren't thinking aliens at all. They
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Speaker 1: had never seen a UFO, never thought about UFOs. This
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Speaker 1: wasn't really being popularized in the media at this time,
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Speaker 1: so they had no idea what was going on. They
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Speaker 1: just called it the muddy man. But yeah, it's probably
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Speaker 1: a gray alien as we would think of, and I'll
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Speaker 1: just let Susan describe in her own words what this
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Speaker 1: figure looked like. As she says, I just remember black eyes,
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Speaker 1: and he had a uniform on his body. It was
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Speaker 1: dark blue and had a little trapezoid. right here below
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Speaker 1: the front collar that's all I remember and the little
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Speaker 1: gray box about as big as a clock radio a
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Speaker 1: rectangle featureless like a shoebox this is really interesting to
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Speaker 1: me because this Black box or gray box is something
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Speaker 1: I've heard in a number of other cases. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure what it means. In fact, there's quite a bit
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Speaker 1: of speculation about this within the UFO community. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but it's something I've heard many times. So this, again,
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Speaker 1: was something that went on for years, from about 1963
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Speaker 1: to 1969, six years, at which point it suddenly stopped.
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Speaker 1: There were a few... odd incidents during this time. Susan
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Speaker 1: remembers her name being called telepathically over and over again. Susan! Susan! Susan!
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Speaker 1: It really freaked her out. After it happened two or
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Speaker 1: three times, she actually considered that she might be going insane. Thankfully,
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Speaker 1: it didn't happen a lot, but definitely happened enough to
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Speaker 1: cause her some anxiety. So Susan was having some real
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Speaker 1: issues with dealing with this. She remembers watching the Popeye cartoons,
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Speaker 1: and in the Popeye cartoons, there was a character called
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Speaker 1: Alice the Goon. This sent shivers down her spine because
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Speaker 1: this figure reminded her of this muddy man. And she
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Speaker 1: thought to herself, why the heck do they put this
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Speaker 1: figure in children's cartoons? It scared the daylights out of her.
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Speaker 1: She also had dreams about aliens. She remembers one dream
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Speaker 1: where this muddy man came up to her and was
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Speaker 1: talking to her and she couldn't understand it and she
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Speaker 1: said to it, what are you trying to tell me?
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Speaker 1: And he replied, we can't explain. Another dream which repeated
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Speaker 1: over and over again, I think it's pretty significant. She
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Speaker 1: dreamt that she and her family rushed outside and there
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Speaker 1: was lots of people outside and And Susan knew the
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Speaker 1: UFOs were coming. And sure enough, this UFO appears over
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Speaker 1: her house. And Susan points to it and says very excitedly,
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Speaker 1: here they are. Isn't it wonderful? So this was not
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Speaker 1: fearful for her. She was pretty excited to see these
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Speaker 1: ETs coming. And I think this is significant because this
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Speaker 1: is a dream or a variation of a dream I
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Speaker 1: hear from a lot of contactees. I think it's pointing
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Speaker 1: towards the possibility that one day, This sort of thing
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Speaker 1: will happen. I don't know, but it's a dream that
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Speaker 1: I've heard enough that I think it's important to mention.
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Speaker 1: One more incident I'd like to mention real quickly was
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Speaker 1: as a teenager or young child, preteen, Susan had an
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Speaker 1: experience at Zuma Beach, which is, again, in Southern California.
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Speaker 1: She had gone there to visit with her family. Following
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Speaker 1: this incident, she hated going to the beach. Now she
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Speaker 1: knows why. because she thinks she had a visitation. She
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Speaker 1: was out in the water, became disoriented, had a period
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Speaker 1: of missing time, and found herself in a different position.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just let Susan describe what happened. As she says,
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Speaker 1: I was out in the ocean. I was very small,
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Speaker 1: just standing there, having the waves come in, and what
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Speaker 1: have you. And I can't remember. I feel like I
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Speaker 1: went into an unconscious state. Like there was a period
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Speaker 1: of time there that is missing. And all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: when I did open my eyes, I was waist high
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Speaker 1: in the water. And I started to cry and get upset.
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Speaker 1: Karen came and dragged me out of the water through
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Speaker 1: the sand. I was hysterical. I remember feeling like, oh
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Speaker 1: my God, like I was being dragged somewhere. I mean
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Speaker 1: into the water, not out of it. And it really
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Speaker 1: frightened me. And I always thought it was an odd thing.
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Speaker 1: but I didn't connect it to this until Karen told
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Speaker 1: me about the Muddy Man incidents. So what happened was
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Speaker 1: in 1988, Karen and Susan returned home for a Thanksgiving celebration.
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Speaker 1: By this point, they were grown up. They had moved
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Speaker 1: out of the house. Susan got married to a gentleman
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Speaker 1: by the name of Hector. They had come back for
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in 1988 and started reminiscing about their childhood. And
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Speaker 1: Susan mentioned these incidents where she saw this figure, the
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Speaker 1: Muddy Man, bending over her crib or her bed and
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Speaker 1: looking at her. And Karen turned to her wide-eyed and said,
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Speaker 1: Oh my God, I remember that. I saw that too.
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Speaker 1: And as they compared details, they realized that they were
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Speaker 1: seeing the exact same thing. They turned to their parents
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Speaker 1: and said, And their parents remembered them both coming in
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Speaker 1: and talking about it. So they confirmed that this did
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Speaker 1: in fact happen. So following this discussion, Susan's anxieties really
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Speaker 1: ramped up. And she started having a real fear of
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Speaker 1: this subject and thinking about what had happened to her
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Speaker 1: as a child. She started looking into UFO books. They
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Speaker 1: started connecting this to UFOs at this time. Because by
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Speaker 1: this time, images of greys were appearing in the media.
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Speaker 1: And that's when they realized, oh my gosh, this could
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Speaker 1: be gray aliens. It really threw them off because they
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Speaker 1: had never seen a UFO, at least not yet. That
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Speaker 1: would soon happen, however. So Susan started to read books
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Speaker 1: on UFOs. Well, she tried, but they were too scary,
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Speaker 1: so she put them away and just tried to put
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Speaker 1: this out of her life. Meanwhile, in 1991, Karen was
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Speaker 1: changing her residence and decided to come back and stay
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Speaker 1: at her parents for a short period of time. And
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Speaker 1: she moved back into her old room where she had
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Speaker 1: seen this muddy man. And she had only been there
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Speaker 1: a few days when the muddy man came back for
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Speaker 1: another visit. Completely freaked her out. And again, I'll just
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Speaker 1: let Karen describe this in her own words. And mind you,
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Speaker 1: she's an adult now. As Karen says... I saw the
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Speaker 1: same exact muddy man come out again, and I had
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Speaker 1: not even thought about the muddy man or anything. I
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Speaker 1: saw that shape, and I couldn't go back to sleep.
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Speaker 1: I was scared. I was petrified. And I kept thinking
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Speaker 1: that it was coming over and doing the exact same
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Speaker 1: thing it always did. I'd sit in bed to look closer,
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Speaker 1: and it would just kind of move back into the shadows.
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Speaker 1: So she called up her little sister, Susan, and told
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Speaker 1: her about it. Probably not a good idea because that
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Speaker 1: freaked Susan out even more. And this is when Susan
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Speaker 1: had another encounter. In fact, a series of encounters. It
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Speaker 1: was one year later in 1992. Susan was in her
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Speaker 1: bedroom when her little six-year-old daughter came running in and said, Mommy, Mommy,
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Speaker 1: I just saw a little boy in my room. And
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Speaker 1: Susan immediately thought back to the muddy man And credit
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Speaker 1: to her, she didn't tell her daughter. It was just
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Speaker 1: a nightmare. She just comforted her as best as she could.
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Speaker 1: And following this, her daughter started to suffer from a
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Speaker 1: series of pretty severe and unexplained nosebleeds. This is something
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Speaker 1: that Susan had learned was a possible symptom of UFO
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Speaker 1: close encounters. So it freaked her out, caused her even
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Speaker 1: more anxiety to realize that her child might be going
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Speaker 1: through the same thing she had gone through as a child.
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Speaker 1: And she got further confirmation of this when one day
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Speaker 1: she was with her daughter and saw a little scar
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Speaker 1: on her leg, a scoop mark. This freaked her out
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Speaker 1: because Susan had the same exact looking scar in the
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Speaker 1: same exact place. She asked her daughter about it. Where
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Speaker 1: did this come from? And her daughter had no idea.
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Speaker 1: So this provided further confirmation for Susan. A year later
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Speaker 1: in 1993, I asked Susan if she would consider going
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Speaker 1: on television to talk about her encounters. This was just
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Speaker 1: a tiny little public access TV station, not a big
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Speaker 1: TV show. But Susan happily agreed. She wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about this to help get over her fears. But it
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Speaker 1: was just a few days before we were due to
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Speaker 1: go shoot this television program when Susan called me up
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Speaker 1: and said, no, I'm not doing it. I said, why?
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Speaker 1: What's wrong? She says, well, the greys came and they
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Speaker 1: do not want me to go on TV. So I
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Speaker 1: asked her what happened, and she described a really incredible encounter.
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Speaker 1: At this time, she was living in North Hollywood. It
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Speaker 1: was an early morning in February. She woke up, walked
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Speaker 1: into the living room. Her daughter was watching cartoons, was
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Speaker 1: completely entranced, hypnotized, watching these cartoons. And looking out in
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Speaker 1: the backyard, Susan was shocked to see a UFO coming
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Speaker 1: in for a landing. She said it was really strange
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Speaker 1: because it was cylindrical shaped. It's vertical. It had a
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Speaker 1: rounded top, a flat bottom with little fins, kind of
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Speaker 1: like a rocket. And it came in. in for a
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Speaker 1: landing and as she watched a small group of four
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Speaker 1: maybe five ets came out and started walking towards her
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Speaker 1: said it was very strange because they were wearing trench
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Speaker 1: coats and holding what looked like suitcases or perhaps these
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Speaker 1: little gray boxes that she had seen before I'll just
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Speaker 1: let Susan describe in her own words what happened. These
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Speaker 1: aliens start to get out of the ship, about four
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Speaker 1: or five of them. I can't remember the exact number,
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Speaker 1: but they were wearing what looks like trench coats. They
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Speaker 1: were carrying something. I don't know if it's a briefcase,
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Speaker 1: if it's a box, something. I'm not sure. I know
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Speaker 1: they're upset. I know that they're angry. That's clear to me.
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Speaker 1: I don't recall any communication going on, but the message
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Speaker 1: of anger was very clear, and I got very upset,
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Speaker 1: became frantic, hysterical. I got to the point where tears
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Speaker 1: were just streaming down my face. Then after that, I
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Speaker 1: black out. I mean, I just black out. Everything is dark.
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Speaker 1: Then I wake up. My cat is very close to
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Speaker 1: my face, growling, with his hair standing on end and
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Speaker 1: his eyes wide open looking at the door. I wake
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Speaker 1: up petrified. And then I'm scared the entire day, not
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Speaker 1: knowing why. As she meditated on this, she got the
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Speaker 1: message that the ETs did not want her to go
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Speaker 1: on TV, that they did not want people to know
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Speaker 1: about them, did not want them to know that she
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Speaker 1: was having encounters. So she calls me up and says,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going on TV. Of course, I said, that's fine.
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Speaker 1: That's I'm perfectly okay with that. Your well-being is really paramount.
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Speaker 1: So she did not go on TV. And it was
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Speaker 1: just a short time after that that there was another visitation.
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Speaker 1: Susan did not see this one. This time it was
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Speaker 1: her husband Hector who woke up and saw this really
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Speaker 1: bright light shining in through the windows. And I will
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Speaker 1: just let Hector describe this in his own words. As
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Speaker 1: Hector says, this encompassed the whole window. Did you ever
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Speaker 1: see the movie Blade Runner with Harrison Ford? That's the
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Speaker 1: only way I can describe it, where he's in his
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Speaker 1: apartment and this blimp comes by and shines a light
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Speaker 1: real quick into his room. Like that. It seemed like
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Speaker 1: a searchlight going by, going by the window and lighting
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Speaker 1: up everything in the room. It was like a lighthouse
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Speaker 1: type effect. You know, the light coming around and lighting
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Speaker 1: up everything in the room for a split second and
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Speaker 1: then just going away, dark, and coming back again. So
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Speaker 1: he knew instantly what was going on. He thought to himself, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is Susan's aliens. Don't take me, take her. That's
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Speaker 1: what he thought. He felt a little bit guilty about it,
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Speaker 1: but this is what came to his mind. And normally
23:02
Speaker 1: he said he would have gotten up and checked it out,
23:04
Speaker 1: but he did not react that way. As he says,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, I felt like I was scared to
23:10
Speaker 1: get up for some reason. It was unusual because normally
23:13
Speaker 1: I would get up and wonder what was going on.
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Speaker 1: This time, it was like I was hesitant to get up,
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Speaker 1: of actually taking the covers and getting out of bed
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Speaker 1: because I knew that there was something wrong. But it
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Speaker 1: was okay, and I felt like I was thinking to myself,
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Speaker 1: I know who it is, or saying to them, I
23:34
Speaker 1: know who you are, and I know why you're here.
23:38
Speaker 1: Just let me go back to sleep. That's kind of
23:41
Speaker 1: the feeling I had, like I didn't want to be bothered.
23:45
Speaker 1: But again, normally, I would have gotten up, like, what's
23:48
Speaker 1: going on? So Hector's reaction surprised himself. And he told
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Speaker 1: his wife Susan about it, and of course she had
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Speaker 1: more anxieties about it. This is not something she's happy about.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't feel like these ETs are here to hurt
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Speaker 1: her or anything, but she does feel that it causes
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Speaker 1: her some anxiety, so she has trouble with it. And
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Speaker 1: this is really where their encounters end, or at least
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Speaker 1: where they stopped for that point, up to that time.
24:22
Speaker 1: I did eventually lose contact with them, so I don't
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Speaker 1: know if their encounters continued or not. I suspect that
24:27
Speaker 1: they did. I did cover their case in my book,
24:31
Speaker 1: One in 40, the UFO epidemic. And I think it's
24:35
Speaker 1: a very interesting case for a number of reasons. There's
24:39
Speaker 1: that weird black box, which turns up in so many cases.
24:43
Speaker 1: The alien dream, that's very common among contactees. I also
24:47
Speaker 1: find it interesting that these visitations went on for six
24:50
Speaker 1: years and they never connected it to ETs because they
24:54
Speaker 1: had never seen a UFO. So yeah, there's some very
24:58
Speaker 1: interesting elements. One thing that I did think was significant
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Speaker 1: was that their house was located right next to the wash,
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Speaker 1: the LA River. Perhaps that explains why they described this
25:10
Speaker 1: figure as being wet or drippy. I don't know. That's
25:13
Speaker 1: another unusual detail that I certainly haven't heard a lot.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a very interesting case with some very
25:21
Speaker 1: interesting elements to it. I hope you've enjoyed this episode.
25:26
Speaker 1: I think it has some interesting things to say about
25:28
Speaker 1: the UFO phenomena. But that's it for now. I want
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Speaker 1: to thank you once again for watching. I truly appreciate it.
25:37
Speaker 1: And until next time, keep asking questions, keep searching for
25:41
Speaker 1: the truth, and most importantly, keep having fun.