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17 - BACKLASH! Week 2026 · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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  Hello, welcome to Singlet and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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  podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Pete.
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  Evening. I am the second host, Luke.
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  And again, this is a 2 man announced booth 2 manpower trip.
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  Should we call that Luke? Yeah, definitely.
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  Yeah. Let's go with that and enjoy the
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  two manpower trip. It was very good, It was very
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  good. Yes, we are here. 2 man
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  announced team ready to rock'n'roll talking about the
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  past week in professional wrestling before diving into
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  sports entertainment nostalgia. It is of course Backlash week.
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  Both for those who listened to our special episode of the
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  podcast that went out on Sunday, so the day after Backlash.
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  The weekend was also N Wrestling's NCL Cup here in
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  Newcastle upon Tyne. And we did a bonus episode,
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  didn't we Luke? We did indeed, and I feel like
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  it's been very well received from the bits of feedback I've
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  had and I felt like it was really a cool thing that we did
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  and I look forward to doing more of them.
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  There's been some good things that's come out with that, which
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  will obviously address in housekeeping.
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  But yeah, it was really enjoyed going to the show and like I
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  say, I'd love to make it a regular thing kind of covering N
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  wrestling. It's a great product.
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  It certainly was a great product.
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  I think, yeah, the things I've heard from people listening to
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  the bonus episode was that they enjoyed it, it made N wrestling
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  in the event, the NCL Cup sound fantastic and they wanted to do
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  N shows. So that is really, really cool.
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  So we've got 2 sets of housekeeping because obviously
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  we've got housekeeping off of episode 15, our last standard
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  episode, and then housekeeping on Episode 16, which was our
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  bonus episode. So we'll do them in order.
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  So we'll do the housekeeping from Episode 15 first.
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  But I've got to ask you, Luke, Are you ready for some
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  housekeeping? I'm more excited than Jerry
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  Lowland, his primate strip club. I'm raring to go.
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  There's plenty of puppies in here, so get ready buddy.
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  Good. So on our last standard episode,
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  and again for those who want to get involved in housekeeping,
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  you can do by commenting on the episodes in Spotify.
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  So if you listen on Spotify, you can comment on the episodes.
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  You can also take part in our polls and that funds the
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  foundation of housekeeping. And I also propose on Instagram
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  as well. So I'm going to run through the
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  Spotify content on episode 15. So Liu said, loving Ober big,
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  strong and fast. But has he maybe been booked too
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  strong, too fast? The open challenge seems to be
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  running out of competitors. And that was last week.
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  So it's one of my things to talk about in this week's review is
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  the status of the open challenge.
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  But so I don't want to delve too deep on that.
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  But what's your thoughts on what Liu's saying there, Luke?
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  He is very big and very fast and we like that on here doing my
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  big old Huggles, especially when they can move as well.
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  What was the old expression tank exterior with a Ferrari engine?
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  He's definitely got one of those.
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  But no, again, yeah, it was on my kind of things to talk about
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  for a week in review, so I'm not going it too much.
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  But to answer our question, has he been booked too strong too
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  fast? I think if I say yes or no, I'd
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  say yes, but there is kind of caveat to that which I'm sure
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  we'll both talk about at the week in review.
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  Absolutely. We've had a new common ass or
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  Jimmy, Jimmy Foster just put at backlash.
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  In that voice. Well, it's in it's in all caps,
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  so I assumed it was in that voice.
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  Yes, Wells is back this week with quite a few comments on
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  this one actually. So first.
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  That was that was literally just the comment, just backlash.
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  Yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy Foster has said at Backlash I.
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  Thought it was a question that followed it right?
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  Or from Excellent. Yeah, great.
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  Yeah, all caps, no punctuation, just all caps.
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  Thanks, Jimmy. We appreciate it, bud.
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  Obviously exciting for backlash. You have had a great time.
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  We all did, I think. Yeah, definitely.
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  So Wells is back in the comments, he said loving the new
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  intro music, gives me Monday Night Wars vibes.
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  So for also doing all last few episodes, we've now got a intro
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  music done by the wonderful Johnny Pears, good friend of
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  mine from the past and the present.
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  That's I. Was going to say describe it
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  sounds like something's happened between years.
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  Is it just professional now? Is it?
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  It's just distance made. I moved out of ball but that's a
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  problem I think. But but no he did a great job.
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  I love it. Wells loving the vibes.
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  What's your thoughts? Monday Night War vibes or not?
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  Well, I think I said to you, the timer had a bit of Ultimate
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  Warrior kind of 80s feel to it. So I was a big fan because I
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  heard the kind of early stages of it and then, yeah, it's good.
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  Isn't it Just making us more professional?
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  We're getting better a little bit at a time on when that music
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  is a big step in the right direction.
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  So yeah, absolutely love it. You know what, you've got to
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  fake it till you make it and we're currently doing some
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  pretty good stuff like that. So it's.
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  Awesome. Exactly.
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  Yeah. And there's more stuff like that
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  to come. It's going to keep on rolling.
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  It is indeed Wells as usual, then multi combated.
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  So his next part is I'm so invested in this down housing
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  takeover. So goofy.
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  For me, this really captures the essence of what great
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  professional wrestling can be. It doesn't need to be bruises
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  and beefcakes all the time. The fact that Dan looks to be
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  creating a clone of himself by pinching a strand of hair from
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  one of the Bellas is just stupid, silly storytelling
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  running around Smackdown like smoke.
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  His partner is 100% going to be in in the face paint for sure.
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  Well it wasn't face paint, but it was certainly a mask, which
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  we'll get into. But obviously this was before
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  Backlash and well as his final comment was.
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  Also not a fan of Ricky sayings or stalks.
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  He's just not believable. The broski should have
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  realistically buried him. Mismatch in physique, ring work.
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  Not ready for the main ROSTA for me so well.
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  Some strong thoughts about Ricky saying so.
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  Do you want to talk about the Dan housing stuff first?
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  Yeah. So obviously the Dan housing
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  stuff again, obviously not a kind of repeat repeat myself,
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  but no doubt we'll dive into a little bit deeper.
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  But I think he hit the nail on the head by saying it's kind of
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  exactly what a professional restaurant show is about, the
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  best shows. You've got a variety on there,
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  haven't you? And Dan Housen's bringing that
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  kind of daft, silly comedy. But as you've said it as well,
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  it's kind of it's performance art, isn't it?
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  And there's nothing else like it currently on the card.
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  So no, it's like we, you know, we've said before he debuted
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  because we hope that's who was in the crate, that how much of a
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  fan of him we are. And I think he's kind of shot at
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  expectations. I think, I don't think anyone
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  would have predicted it would have went this well, especially
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  because there's a lot of negativity with the fact that he
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  come out to create. A lot of people really didn't
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  like his debut. So then we've kind of just
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  literally gone from strength to strength.
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  Like yeah, he's absolutely like one of the top people.
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  Like you look forward to seeing him every week.
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  That was taught about how over WrestleMania weekend he was kind
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  of one of the top merch sellers. He's all over kind of other
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  products with Sports Centre and things like that in America.
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  So now is it absolutely fantastic?
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  Like it's like when, so when, because we went in North
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  Wrestling on Saturday and I keep bringing that up, but when I got
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  in, you know, I still had the buzz on in their Backlash
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  started at 11. So I stayed up for the first
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  couple of bits and then it was got around 12:10.
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  And on my last I was like, unless the next match is Dan
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  Hausen's, I'm going to sleep. And then it was Dan Hausen's
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  match and I stayed up an extra 45 minutes, which for me,
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  sitting at 1:00 in the morning these days, that fucking take
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  something special to keep us up that late.
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  Does indeed. Did he say he's a current?
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  He's he said a video for Slim Jim where Tim and Nick all this
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  snapped into a Slim Jim. I have not seen that one yet,
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  no. I think it's just on their tick
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  tock, but it's like official. But yeah, you should check out.
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  It's pretty cool. Getting all the big all the big
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  brands involved. And then what's your thoughts
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  on? Oh yeah, I think I agree with.
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  I agree 100%. So as kind of said this last
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  week where I thought it was a strong first shown from him
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  obviously getting a bit of mic time.
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  But I said that kind of I put him and Ethan Page in the same
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  bracket because the kind of debuted in NXT at a similar time
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  where Ethan Page and NXT won is over.
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  Ricky Sainz did nothing to win is over.
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  And I think, yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see what his
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  first year looks like on the main Rostock's.
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  I think because there was so many people called up from NXT,
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  he could have maybe done with at least another another six months
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  of being that kind of older figurehead of NXT for a bit to
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  kind of mix with the new people that they've just brought in
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  there as well. So yeah, I don't, yeah, I think
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  not believable is the right thing.
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  I think he comes across too much sometimes, which, yeah,
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  obviously they all are, but like, too scripted and too much
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  like he's playing a character, which is why I think he's
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  unbelievable. Like, it's not believable.
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  But I don't think he's found something yet where he's putting
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  like a little bit more of himself and if that makes sense.
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  I can see what you mean. I think I'm on the fence still
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  about him. I love some of the stuff he
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  didn't. Awi think you're right.
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  He probably could have benefit from some more time NXT.
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  I did see some comments on my people saying he's been buried
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  since he came up. I'm like well he got put with
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  the champion straight away and like held his own.
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  So I think they are trying to put you in a position where he
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  can he can get over should he like show his strengths.
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  But I think the next few weeks will tell sort of how that goes
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  down, I suppose. And I think what thing,
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  regardless of whether you think he's ready or not or what your
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  opinion is on him is, I think one of the things he's going to
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  struggle with is that it's a really stacked card.
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  Like if you think he could, I mean, I say that I mean he could
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  end up being like an ideal next opponent for Trick Williams
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  because I feel again, we'll talk about this a little bit later.
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  I feel like him and Sammy's definitely done now.
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  So he and if they're going to go down the route of wanting a
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  really symmetric as a face, Ricky Saints might be a good
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  next opponent. But if he's not Trick Williams
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  next opponent, he's not going to be in the world title picture.
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  I'd be surprised. So I think actually finding
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  something to do on the card might be a struggle for him.
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  So I think that might go against them just because of how stacked
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  that Cottage card is, which goes back to my point that I think
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  you maybes might have benefited from at least just in maybe
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  another six months in NXT. Yeah, I think what well said
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  about Dan housing ties into the pool.
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  So we did a pool on last week's episode.
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  It was who tags with Dan House. In the backlash, there was four
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  options. There was CM Punk, J Rule, Mr.
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  Iguana and someone else 100%. The votes all send Mr. Iguana,
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  which I think that's pretty cool because it means everybody was
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  sort of diving into the whole idea.
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  It's going to be somebody who's funny, matches a similar energy
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  to Dan Housing, and they're not going to go for like the cheap
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  pop of having it being a punk or a Jelly roll up someone big.
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  I think again, and we're probably talking about getting
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  the main show, but I think the fact it was like a Midget
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  Housing who came out played by the wonderful El Torito.
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  Of course, I think at first people were expecting it to be a
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  punk. So there's a bit of like, I'm
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  not saying there was booze in the arena, but you know, there
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  was a bit of negativity towards it.
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  Then by the time the midgets jumped off down housing, sure,
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  that was like everyone's loving it and popping all over, which
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  is the power of down housing. But I think down housing makes
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  sense. It's performance art.
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  So he doesn't need the big names like he can get over a corner
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  machine and he can't get overloads of midgets like Cohen
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  does himself because it's performance art and that's what
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  he does. He doesn't need like sure would
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  have been fantastic half punk there.
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  Yes, it would have been, but it actually didn't need it, and it
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  was probably better without Punk then.
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  It wasn't just resting on a big name, it was actually resting on
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  some creative and some awesome performances.
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  But what's your thoughts on the portal seeing that matches what
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  people were seeing going in? I think a lot of people thought
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  was going to be punk. I think that was kind of the
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  general thing. I think it was that or Jelly
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  Roll and I think he kind of I think Punk would have worked and
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  it would have been great, but then I think Gyro would have got
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  booed out the building. I don't think that is what
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  people would have actually wanted.
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  So I think for them to then go the route that did was something
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  that you weren't expecting where at the start you're a bit like,
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  oh, but then they just win you over with it.
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  I think it was the the absolute best way of doing it because I
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  think punk as well where I feel like, you know, it'll be great.
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  I think it sounds good in theory because you're like all the
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  mates and it'll be funny to see Punk do it, but it might not
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  have actually been that good in delivery.
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  So I think actually, again, the kind of gone above the
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  expectation of it really because of how well they delivered the
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  actual final product of it. Like you've said quite well
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  before with stuff like if you're going to tell the story, tell a
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  story. And that's what they did.
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  They brought the clone out and I was like, this could be
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  terrible, but then it wasn't because they let it all play
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  out. And in the end, it was
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  excellent. It was indeed moving on to our
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  episode 16, which was our bonus episode that came out on Sunday,
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  which was about North Wrestling in the NCL Cup or away day.
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  So we did a poll on that. It was the poll was do you check
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  out local slash indie wrestling options were yes, no and no but
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  would like to. The vote was split 5050 with 50%
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  of the vote saying yes and 50% say no but would like to.
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  So that's pretty cool. Nobody said no.
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  I think the people who said no but would like to probably
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  listen to our pardon thought we really enjoyed it.
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  We want some of that. Yeah, definitely.
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  I think probably more people, but I just think it's something
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  well, although obviously, you know, social media is this huge
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  thing now, you know, that's not a not a shocking thing to say.
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  I think maybe just some of them could, I guess just the
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  promotion side, isn't it? It's hard to promote things
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  other than social media now because you're not going to pay
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  to be on telly because that would be a lot of money.
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  So yeah, I just think it's a shame that like maybe there's
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  some. I think N definitely doesn't
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  fall in this bracket, but I think there's probably some
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  companies out there who are putting on good stuff but just
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  can't get enough eyes on it. So yeah, the more people that
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  kind are on the fence, just if there's something coming your
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  way local, go and see it. Indeed, and that goes into the
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  comments. So on this on this episode on
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  Spotify, E Monk 89, which I believe is our friend Jamie on
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  Instagram super geek, who we is a listener who we saw at the
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  show. He commented on and saying if
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  you join their paid Patreon. So I think he's talking about
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  North wrestling. If you join their paid Patreon,
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  I believe you can watch the full events.
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  So you know, if you can't get a ticket because it was sold out,
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  as we mentioned on the episode, you know, you can you can watch
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  watch their full full events on their Patreon, which is pretty
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  cool. And you know, we saw a lot of
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  cameras. It was all hard Cam and we saw a
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  lot of was around the ring and not based on the footage on
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  North Rustling's Instagram of the matches.
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  Like it's a pretty, it's a pretty well done production,
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  even in terms of not just the live show, but in terms of the
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  actual show filmed for streaming.
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  No, 100%. And it kind of goes back what
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  we're saying. We're like just off going to
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  that show last weekend. It makes us want to see more
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  what happens with kind of like the Kenny Williams stuff.
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  So obviously they're doing the the Weekender next month where
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  we're not definitely not going to be able to make the Glasgow
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  show. So if I get to be able to watch
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  the Glasgow show after being at the Newcastle show, like I'll
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  I'll find sign up that Patry no problem, because I say I'm
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  invested in that now. So I don't want to miss it.
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  Indeed, here we go horse on that, and we just watch it
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  together. Yeah, yeah.
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  Cheapskates, we are. Cheap skates.
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  We are S Tyneside skip rats, aren't we?
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  We are, yeah, St. rats. Yes, mom, if you're listening, I
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  know I'm not. I promise.
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  I'm just a joke. Wells was all over this one as
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  well, he said. Really enjoyed the content.
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  Sounds like you both had a blast.
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  The energy and respect that comes from the pod in this
• 15:31
  episode really highlights the passion you have for
• 15:34
  professional wrestling. Keep it up guys, I'm a devout
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  listener. No, that's a really cool thing
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  to hear. And like, I'm glad that that
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  passion comes across from us because, yeah, like, like I say,
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  like when when you put together kind of the stuff to put on
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  social media and then the response we've had, like I felt
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  like that myself. I see one of the shows I'm most
• 15:54
  proud of actually, because people should be supporting
• 15:57
  shows like this and I want to see more.
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  And like anything, you know, we can do.
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  I mean, if one person who listens to this has never been
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  to a North Shore and the goal because of what we said, I'm
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  footing over the moon with that because like I couldn't endorse
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  it high more like like more than I already have to.
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  I mean, like just get yourself along.
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  It's a great night out and the actual in ring as well is
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  fucking fantastic. It was absolutely fantastic.
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  I love how you say, you know, the energy.
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  The energy and respect that comes from the pod in this
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  episode really highlights the passion you have for
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  professional wrestling, or as my wife would call it, she thinks
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  I've got autism. Yeah, that's The thing is it is,
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  Well, no, I think it is passion. It's not autism, mate.
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  I think you, I think your wife is definitely wrong there.
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  It's just pure passion for the love.
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  But I think that's something that when, you know, we spoke
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  about starting this podcast, that's what we wanted to do.
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  Like, obviously we'll have negatives of the week and stuff,
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  but we're never kind of, you know, a lot of about him.
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  Try to bury something unless there's anything Ricochet has
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  done. More on that later.
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  We so yeah, we do. Like I say, we've talked about
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  kind of the respect we'll have for how much work we're putting
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  in the bodies, the travel schedule, the storytelling that
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  we do. We'd love professional
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  wrestling. I'm really pleased that that
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  kind of passion is coming through people who listen.
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  So it's a really nice comment to get.
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  Indeed. Now going over to the Instagram,
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  so on Instagram guys, we are at SAS Wrestling podcast.
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  Again, it's not sheer and certain, it is singlets and
• 17:15
  suplexes at SAS Wrestling Podcast.
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  I put a post so you can leave your thoughts and questions.
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  We've had a couple in there. So Adam Corkill says, right,
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  this is in relation to Indy wrestling.
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  Is there any wrestlers you saw at a local indie show who blew,
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  who blew you away but never really got a break?
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  So I think you see in our times of watching indie wrestling, and
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  you will be a few shows over the years, does anybody that we
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  watched who we are surprised they didn't make it any bigger?
• 17:42
  So I've I've got one in it. It's kind of back in my mind
• 17:46
  because I've read Lee Kyle's fantastic book Spandex Ballet
• 17:51
  and he will be appearing on a special show soon for an
• 17:53
  interview. And so, and as I mentioned on
• 17:55
  the indie show, you know, I did a bit wrestling training myself,
• 17:57
  but Assassin from the Northeast scene was someone who was like
• 18:01
  absolutely unbelievable. So again, I think he was maybe
• 18:04
  he's unlucky that it was kind of probably early, late 2000s when
• 18:09
  he was probably at his big pump, which kind of the scene wasn't
• 18:13
  great. And WWE certainly weren't kind
• 18:15
  of actively looking over here where they do like yearly
• 18:17
  tryouts and stuff. But Assassin is someone who's
• 18:20
  kind of got some great stuff out there.
• 18:21
  There's quite a famous match with him and Raven again going
• 18:24
  battle cursed by the wrestling gods from about 2005, I want to
• 18:28
  say. So yeah, Assassin's someone who
• 18:30
  comes to mind straight away. What about you?
• 18:32
  Is there anyone that you can think of?
• 18:38
  I think this is a hard one to say he's on the fence, but if
• 18:40
  you look a Grado. So I think obviously he rose to
• 18:43
  like huge popularity in Scotland.
• 18:45
  You know, he's been in BBC dramas, he's in pantomime stage
• 18:48
  shows. I'm sure he's on the radio.
• 18:49
  He obviously had a run in TNA as well.
• 18:54
  I thought like could that have gone a bit further?
• 18:57
  Like, I don't know, what do you think about how much popularity
• 18:58
  he had now? He probably still does has and
• 19:01
  he's he's popular, you know, you know, he's popular.
• 19:03
  He's made as a wrestler and that's his bread and butter.
• 19:06
  He's got him in all this other parts of entertainment industry
• 19:08
  as well. But I think like, like if you
• 19:11
  look what that house has done on the degree or so, for example,
• 19:13
  like could he have done something similar on a bigger
• 19:15
  company, maybe on an AW are the WWE now And obviously like a lot
• 19:21
  of great or it's the gimmick, it's the music.
• 19:23
  Lots of us like trademark, like would be able to use it.
• 19:25
  I don't know what. What's your thoughts on that, do
• 19:28
  you think, Luke? I think great.
• 19:29
  It was a fair show. Yeah, I think great.
• 19:31
  Or for me, someone who kind of falls into that kind of category
• 19:33
  where he's almost become kind of more than a wrestler.
• 19:37
  Like, obviously I know not, not, not just because he does radio
• 19:40
  and, you know, he was in that Scots squad I think as well.
• 19:42
  But like, he almost falls in like a Robbie Williams bracket
• 19:44
  for me where I think sometimes people forget just how good of a
• 19:48
  wrestler he can be on his day in the same way that, you know,
• 19:50
  Robbie Williams is a musician because he's just such a
• 19:53
  fantastic all round entertainer grader.
• 19:55
  So yeah, I think it is surprising, especially because,
• 19:58
  again, he was very active during the NXTUK.
• 20:01
  I'd love to know if there was any kind of if he's ever doing
• 20:03
  interviews about that, about what if like they just never
• 20:05
  contacted him if he was contracted somewhere else at the
• 20:07
  time. But yeah, I'm surprised that
• 20:09
  like you never saw him in at least NXTUK because he was very
• 20:13
  much kind of everywhere at the time that that was running.
• 20:16
  So yeah, I think that is a fair shout.
• 20:19
  Because, yeah, but when you look now, obviously I know he looks
• 20:21
  like he's going to be a big part of the Northern Wrestling
• 20:23
  Alliance that's coming up, which we've talked about a lot.
• 20:25
  But yeah, you don't seem to see him as wrestling much.
• 20:29
  But I mean, like I say, I think he's got a breakfast show on
• 20:31
  Heart Scotland, so that will take up a lot of your time.
• 20:33
  It will, yeah. It's the bread and butter, isn't
• 20:35
  it? I think obviously with NXT UK
• 20:38
  forming and then with sort of that new World of Sport reboots,
• 20:41
  sort of getting K Bosh as a result, if that hadn't happened,
• 20:44
  he probably could have been a face of World of Sport, couldn't
• 20:46
  he? No, definitely, yeah.
• 20:48
  And I remember I caught a couple of episodes of that.
• 20:50
  But like you, like you could see from the start that wasn't
• 20:54
  something that was going to last, unfortunately, which is a
• 20:56
  shame because kind of you want as much stuff out there if it's
• 20:58
  going to be good because it's, you know, more jobs for everyone
• 21:00
  and more content to consume. But yeah, I think, no, I think
• 21:04
  great. All that I say.
• 21:05
  I think funnily enough, kind of, I think you said on Saturday on
• 21:08
  the Storm, like I've mentioned my favour, I think Kenny
• 21:10
  Williams as well was someone who's kind of when I was going
• 21:13
  to ICW shows regularly always stood out.
• 21:16
  And again, I think you were saying though, he's had a couple
• 21:18
  of bad injuries, hasn't he? So that might have been
• 21:20
  something I held him back. But I remember Kenny Williams
• 21:22
  and I know we're good friend Ian.
• 21:24
  And if you follow Stand up the Northeast AKA Fernando is a big
• 21:30
  fan of Kenny Williams. So he's another one who I
• 21:31
  remember watching thinking he he's definitely going to kind of
• 21:34
  go on a huge things. And somebody want us think
• 21:37
  whenever I've seen him, like they look legit, they look hard,
• 21:40
  like the chisels and that's Rampage Brown.
• 21:43
  Like I think, you know, he's a big guy.
• 21:45
  He can go, he's wrestled for a long time and he can wrestle all
• 21:48
  different styles. He looks legit.
• 21:50
  You know, he feels real. He's hard hitting.
• 21:53
  Like he's apart from like, I mean, you tell me if I'm
• 21:56
  incorrect, but I think apart from being like pretty big in
• 21:58
  sort of the UK European scene, I've not already seen him do it
• 22:00
  on like, you know, like a TNA has never come for him or
• 22:03
  anything like that. No, I think you're right.
• 22:05
  That's another another great shout.
• 22:07
  He is he's like he's someone again who's like a kind of total
• 22:10
  package. And I think if you look as well,
• 22:12
  like we you shared a clip on the social as well, an ICW show
• 22:15
  where, you know, I've seen him in there with like Drew
• 22:17
  McIntyre. I know like he was obviously the
• 22:20
  played a really good video package at North Wrestling for
• 22:22
  Will Cruz and he was, you know, Will Cruises last match in North
• 22:26
  as well as obviously his tag team partner for a bit.
• 22:28
  So yeah, he seems to have someone who's done everything
• 22:30
  there is to do in the UKC and kind of rub shoulders with the
• 22:34
  Elite. But yeah, that's probably
• 22:36
  another really good shout. And like I say, obviously, you
• 22:39
  know, this is just purely our opinion, isn't it?
• 22:41
  And you just don't know the circumstances behind why it
• 22:44
  might not have happened. But yeah, I think there's
• 22:45
  definitely a couple of good names that were put in there,
• 22:47
  which from seeing them live like they can go with the best of
• 22:50
  them. Certainly can.
• 22:57
  Apologies for the delay. They also blow my nose and then
• 22:59
  I couldn't find the unmute button.
• 23:02
  We're going to leave that I'm not even going to edit that out.
• 23:04
  That's just me. That's.
• 23:05
  Still, my cold isn't it. It's it's not as warm as it
• 23:07
  looks out there. Swimming.
• 23:08
  I mean I don't think we set it on air but apologies if my voice
• 23:11
  sounds a bit weird but I've had to put the body hat on a jacket
• 23:14
  because I'm just feeling a bit cold.
• 23:16
  Me nose is running a little bit and I think it could be to do
• 23:18
  with the summer poll in his back maybe?
• 23:21
  Are you in your office as well? I'm in my office.
• 23:23
  Oh yes. That might look a bit autistic
• 23:25
  if someone walked in on that. You sat in your office in a
• 23:27
  woolly hat and court. Yeah.
• 23:31
  Just a heavy swing about in your wife's favour there.
• 23:34
  Yeah, I mean, it's just very clever.
• 23:35
  I'm your wife, to be fair. So like just more than often
• 23:39
  correct. I'll tell you what though, when
• 23:43
  the call the idea, I know this is a completely different tone,
• 23:45
  but you just may just remember when the call the idea, right?
• 23:47
  And we had the Spotify playlist on where just plays random music
• 23:51
  from your past like the the DJ, yeah, the AIDJ and here without
• 23:56
  you, 3 Doors Down comes on and she goes to skip it and I go,
• 23:59
  whoa, whoa, put that back. She was like, why?
• 24:01
  I went, this is the song that it's one of the songs that we
• 24:05
  used in the Eddie Guerrero tribute package.
• 24:09
  And she's like, you what? Yeah, I want to listen to it.
• 24:11
  And she was like, what, You want to listen to a song?
• 24:14
  I was using a tribute package for, like, a wrestler who died.
• 24:16
  I was like, I do and just thought I'd be like, you all
• 24:19
  like crazy. I was like, I'm not.
• 24:20
  I just want to have a little time remembering Eddie right now
• 24:22
  in the car. Exactly.
• 24:25
  I thought I cried when Eddie Guerrero died.
• 24:27
  And then she basically called me a fucking idiot.
• 24:31
  It's, well, that's not very nice, is it?
• 24:33
  Because I think it was here without use up there.
• 24:35
  And then for video packages, air fuels, leave the memories alone,
• 24:39
  which they use for Ric Flair's Hall of Fame stuff.
• 24:41
  That one always sticks out with me.
• 24:42
  That always, always brings an emotional moment to me as well.
• 24:46
  But not Eddie Dime was massively emotional because I remember.
• 24:49
  So I was still in school. Like I think I would have maybe
• 24:55
  been like 30 in Maybes and I remember hearing about it at
• 24:59
  school in the Internet was down. So it happened on a it happened
• 25:04
  on a Sunday night because then the raw the straight away was
• 25:07
  like the Eddie tribute show. So obviously I heard about it at
• 25:09
  school, but I had no Internet. So I actually finished school
• 25:12
  and went straight to Shields library just so I could read as
• 25:15
  much information on it as possible because like, I
• 25:17
  couldn't believe it. I know it was a crazy time, a
• 25:21
  sad time. So I all the times as well often
• 25:23
  to go use a Public Library because the Internet just wasn't
• 25:25
  accessible if yours was down. Is that library still there?
• 25:28
  Hasn't been took down. It's been pulled down, miss.
• 25:31
  I think it went down six months ago.
• 25:32
  Obviously it's got the word now, hasn't it all?
• 25:35
  Right, someone has made some money on the background.
• 25:39
  That's most the Shields, isn't it?
• 25:40
  But now that's a lot that's been short for about 6 years and I
• 25:42
  finally got pulled down this year that we've got massively
• 25:45
  off topic there but no are those tribute songs that do the the
• 25:48
  last a long time and I always it was 3 Doors Down again when Edge
• 25:51
  retired as well. Wasn't it when you were young?
• 25:53
  Is that what it? I think, I think you're bang on,
• 25:55
  bang on the money. So there you go.
• 25:56
  They do. They always stick in my mind
• 25:58
  because I think as well, like we've mentioned it before, but
• 26:00
  like when it comes to video packages, like I don't know how
• 26:03
  the WE don't win awards. Like I think they're video
• 26:07
  editing teams for the packages that they do are absolutely
• 26:08
  fucking phenomenal. Like that Dan housing package
• 26:12
  before the match with kind of like old B movie horror kind of
• 26:15
  trailer was fucking brilliant. Yeah, that was like comic book
• 26:18
  like inserts or the hot of it. Yeah.
• 26:20
  No, it was it was excellent like this one of the things that I
• 26:22
  don't think anyone to you know, even your biggest AW sicko who
• 26:26
  hates WB with a passion can criticize the air production to
• 26:28
  you mate. The absolutely some of the best
• 26:31
  stuff in the world that comes out with their video patches.
• 26:33
  And it has been for the past two decades, right?
• 26:35
  I think one of the reasons why is because people see it as or
• 26:37
  certainly in the early part, those two decades, like
• 26:39
  obviously professional wrestling being like the naughty dirty
• 26:45
  like thing, like, you know what I mean?
• 26:46
  So it wasn't it wasn't tracked up with the same respect as like
• 26:50
  other packages and all that entertainments when it should
• 26:53
  be. I think that's changed a bit
• 26:54
  now, obviously like how wrestling the scene in the
• 26:58
  world. But I think it was a time, you
• 26:59
  know, when, when the rest of the world thought that, you know, it
• 27:02
  was sort of, you know, you wouldn't admit, but we would but
• 27:07
  certainly wouldn't admit that there were wrestling fan and
• 27:08
  public things like that. Yeah, I think it has definitely
• 27:11
  shifted and that kind of movies not to some people's liking,
• 27:14
  maybe have more falls into a Tokyo thinking.
• 27:16
  But no, it's definitely changed. Yeah, it was definitely the kind
• 27:19
  of redheaded stepchild for a long time, wasn't it?
• 27:21
  Was indeed. We've had a question from Star.
• 27:25
  They've said love the indie wrestling bonus app.
• 27:27
  Which two stars would you book regularly if you had your own
• 27:32
  indie promotion? So I think what they're saying
• 27:34
  is if we had our own indie promotion and you could book any
• 27:38
  two stars regularly who are currently in a big company, who
• 27:42
  would you book? Oh.
• 27:45
  The territory. So again, I'll go with one that
• 27:48
  we've already mentioned. I think if you, because I think,
• 27:51
  you know, I'll use an example of why I think some of this is
• 27:53
  ideal. So I think when AW launched,
• 27:56
  Jericho being the first champion was like the absolute right
• 28:00
  thing to do. He was this kind of established
• 28:02
  name. Like he's fucking brilliant in
• 28:04
  the ring. He can talk.
• 28:04
  He's kind of exactly what you want.
• 28:05
  People know who he is. So like if I was put in a local
• 28:08
  show, I think I'd maybe build those first kind of few months
• 28:11
  years around Rampage Brown. I think as the kind of focal
• 28:15
  point champion is someone who, like we've already said, is kind
• 28:17
  of rub shoulders with kind of everyone.
• 28:20
  So I think Rampage Brown to not kind of use an answer I've
• 28:22
  already said for something else. And then again, if we want to
• 28:25
  really about a Saturday, like I say, I think Judas Grey, who won
• 28:28
  the NCL Cup on Saturday, has an absolutely kind of massive,
• 28:32
  massive future. Like there's a lot of things to
• 28:34
  like about him and he I think had to bring him in as kind of
• 28:36
  the guy you build up to take the bell from Rampage.
• 28:39
  Maybe as if I'm just having to. Yeah, you haven't, sort of.
• 28:43
  You haven't come close a couple of times before finding one in
• 28:45
  the big one. Yeah, definitely.
• 28:47
  I kind of dream. Has come true.
• 28:50
  What's that? The boyhood dream comes true.
• 28:53
  That's how you book it, right? Yeah, definitely.
• 28:55
  Yeah. So I think if we're just picking
• 28:57
  two of those would be my 2. How about you?
• 28:59
  So I would go that way. So I think if you look at the
• 29:02
  recent releases, take one Alastair Black or Malachi Block,
• 29:07
  I don't think it's going to get a shot at like AW and maybe not
• 29:10
  T any either. So like he could come into an
• 29:12
  indie and like be a top guy eyes in the product, do great work.
• 29:18
  You could probably do loads of unhinged stuff for them as well.
• 29:20
  Like he could really dive into his storytelling and go like to
• 29:23
  places where he can't go on national television.
• 29:25
  So I will bring someone like him in and like really, really set
• 29:29
  yourself apart from the rest. Yeah, I think Alistair Black's
• 29:32
  like a really good shout because it's interesting and stuff
• 29:35
  that's kind of come out from him because apparently, you know,
• 29:37
  again, you know how much you believe online, but apparently
• 29:39
  it's very kind of 5050 whether or not AW would have them back.
• 29:43
  And it would it seems to be more towards the fact that they don't
• 29:45
  want them back. And then like I say, obviously
• 29:47
  TNA is connected with WWE to an extent.
• 29:50
  So I can't see that being the London pad.
• 29:51
  So I think Alistair Black needs to do kind of what what Drew
• 29:55
  McIntyre did when he got released.
• 29:57
  I think he needs to kind of go away and reinvent, reinvent
• 30:00
  himself a bit because you've got a few people begin by the agree
• 30:03
  with opinions or not. I think Booker T, Eric Bischoff
• 30:06
  and a couple of others have kind of said that like, yeah, there
• 30:09
  is something there, but I don't quite get get it.
• 30:10
  So kind of reinvention on the Indies, I think will be as I
• 30:14
  think that's kind of one of the only kind of big outlets still
• 30:17
  left to him really. And you have a lot more freedom.
• 30:20
  You can really like that that creative juice floor have some
• 30:23
  great hard hitting wrestling matches as well.
• 30:25
  He's obviously wise be released as well.
• 30:26
  So you can have, you know, the hot valley side by side with
• 30:29
  them eyes in the product. They can do some really cool
• 30:32
  stuff together. My only worries would it be too
• 30:34
  much like carrying Cross and Scarlett, who are also on the
• 30:36
  Indies currently. Yeah, I think that I think that
• 30:39
  only kind of happened that last little bit of run in WWEI think
• 30:42
  there's still enough there where I think they can definitely
• 30:44
  differentiate from them to 100 percent, 100%.
• 30:47
  And I'm pretty sure he was quite big on the UK scene, wasn't he?
• 30:50
  Because he was Tommy End, because I think he actually
• 30:52
  debuted at one of the NXT UK pay per views as Tommy End as a one
• 30:57
  off like opponent for pack. So I think he did.
• 31:00
  I think he does have history on the UK Indies as well.
• 31:03
  Yeah, he was Tommy end in the UK and he's, I've seen him I think
• 31:05
  twice on the UK and he's back in the day.
• 31:07
  This is going back like 15 years ago maybe as as Tommy Andy.
• 31:12
  I had quite a big follow on before he got signed.
• 31:15
  So yeah, I think that's a really good show and.
• 31:18
  With that, I think we come to an end for housekeeping and we can
• 31:24
  go straight into our first official segment, which is week
• 31:26
  in review, where we each list a couple of things that we have
• 31:29
  liked and disliked over the last week of wrestling and of course
• 31:32
  this week will include Backlash. Yeah, it's been a massive week
• 31:37
  actually, because it's obviously you've got backlash, you've got
• 31:39
  your normal shows, but then AW had an extra show as well with
• 31:42
  the Fairway to Hell show, the golf course.
• 31:44
  So yeah, there's lots of, lots of stuff to get into.
• 31:46
  So do you want to kind of start it off?
• 31:48
  Yes, I'm going to start off with my first positive.
• 31:53
  So I thought he enjoyed Backlash.
• 31:55
  I thought Jacob and Roman Reigns were absolutely fantastic.
• 31:57
  The story that told was fantastic going in the story
• 32:00
  that told on the night was fantastic.
• 32:01
  And then the story that told on Raw was also fantastic.
• 32:05
  I think Jacob's looking in a million books, awesome character
• 32:08
  work. He's looking more vicious than
• 32:10
  ever. Tongue and death grip, you know,
• 32:12
  is hacky giving him his blessing.
• 32:14
  It seems like it. Roman doesn't know how to handle
• 32:16
  it. It's family at war, and Roman
• 32:20
  won't rest until Jacob acknowledges him.
• 32:22
  But Jacob won't do it, and Jacob's like a madman so near.
• 32:26
  These men are going to get what they want.
• 32:27
  I don't think so. They're going to keep clashing
• 32:29
  for the next couple of months maybe.
• 32:31
  Yeah, definitely. Like I say, I agree with you
• 32:33
  that kind of their match of Backlash and everything leading
• 32:35
  up to it was like a massive positive because I said when I
• 32:37
  first came about that it wasn't something I was expecting coming
• 32:40
  out of WrestleMania. These two go straight into a
• 32:42
  feud, so it feels fresh. And the match really delivered.
• 32:45
  Like you say, it was hard hitting, kind of Roman
• 32:47
  struggled, just managed to get the win over the line.
• 32:50
  Then obviously after the match, you know, dangerous Jacob just
• 32:53
  takes him out a bit more and he's the one left standing over
• 32:56
  Roman with the belt even though he's lost.
• 32:57
  And obviously raw, like you said, he won't acknowledge him
• 33:00
  and it's just all carrying on. Yeah.
• 33:02
  I mean, I think it'll leave to some kind of like Simone
• 33:05
  submission match as the blow off and then but then my own.
• 33:10
  Do you see any chance at all of Jacob taking the belt off him?
• 33:14
  Because that's my only thing of like, if Roman just, you know,
• 33:17
  see they have two or three more like, you know, one or two more
• 33:20
  matches, 3 in total and Roman Reigns everyone like, yeah,
• 33:24
  where do you like, yeah, might not be the best place to leave
• 33:28
  Jacob. And I mean, yeah, where do you,
• 33:29
  how do you see this playing out? I think it depends.
• 33:34
  I think if Roman looks like he's going somewhere where it's for a
• 33:38
  movie or something like that. And does he drop the belt to
• 33:41
  Jacob then Black and see them battling a few more times?
• 33:44
  Roman's still winning. And I think he'll come down and
• 33:46
  Jacob will get the win if Roman is going to leave for a little
• 33:48
  bit, like go back to being part time for a while.
• 33:51
  So that could be after the summer, because obviously after
• 33:53
  WrestleMania, Roman said he's going to be around more over the
• 33:55
  summer. So maybe as we get into sort of
• 33:57
  after Summer Slam, do we see Jacob take the belt then as
• 34:02
  Roman sort of winds it down for a little bit?
• 34:04
  I don't know. So I think in that scenario, I
• 34:06
  can see him taking it. If that's not the case on
• 34:08
  Roman's here for, you know, into the window, then yeah, see how
• 34:13
  they struggle to take the belt from them.
• 34:17
  So what again, it's kind of a lot of you know, we don't know
• 34:19
  where it's going, which I think is good because I feel like I
• 34:21
  don't know where it's going in a positive way.
• 34:24
  So no, it is like I say, it's it was good to see that kind of it
• 34:26
  continues because if some sometimes and something
• 34:28
  continues, you know, you like they should have probably ended
• 34:31
  that one there. But yeah, I think there's still
• 34:32
  a lot, a lot of meat still on the bones with them too,
• 34:35
  especially obviously we're kind of putting those those back with
• 34:37
  Roman kind of full time and things like that.
• 34:40
  It certainly is. And it's like we said earlier,
• 34:42
  you know, we don't know what's going to happen, but we're very
• 34:44
  interested in along for the ride.
• 34:45
  We're taking the ride. We don't know where the
• 34:47
  destination ends. And that's what's so good about
• 34:49
  it. That's what's so funny.
• 34:50
  You know, if we knew what happens next week, like would we
• 34:53
  watch? Do you know what I mean?
• 34:54
  No, definitely, yeah. And I say it'll be I don't know
• 34:56
  where it's going to go with it. I know obviously Zilla Fatu has
• 34:59
  been speaking a lot this week about how do we definitely is
• 35:02
  only landing ground out of the Indies and he could get brought
• 35:06
  into this potentially. It's one of those things if you
• 35:09
  ask us like last month or we said yes, but I think they
• 35:11
  finally just released some simones and these releases,
• 35:13
  right? So you know, I think with a lot
• 35:16
  of people, don't get me wrong. So I think they realize that
• 35:20
  maybe they've got too much of a similar type of performer.
• 35:23
  Dylan, dial it back a little bit.
• 35:25
  Yeah, the potentially, but yeah, there's lots of avenues that can
• 35:28
  go down with that. So I think does he come next
• 35:33
  year like possibly, but I think this year maybe not.
• 35:37
  Yeah, he does seem highly regarded though by people kind
• 35:41
  of in the North. So yeah, I think he is
• 35:42
  definitely someone who you'll see sooner rather than later,
• 35:45
  whether that's, you know, straight, the main roster or
• 35:47
  NXTI think he's definitely someone that will end up there,
• 35:50
  like I say, sooner rather than later.
• 35:53
  My next positive was Braun Breaker.
• 35:56
  Obviously, I thought the match with Rollins was fantastic.
• 35:59
  He got the win the way he just sort of the runs the ropes and
• 36:04
  hits the Spears like fantastic. And yeah, I think he sounds
• 36:08
  $1,000,000 now. He looks a million.
• 36:09
  He's always looked $1,000,000. I think he's Pro Bowl games
• 36:12
  really improved and I think he's a legit Baras now.
• 36:15
  We need to push this guy in the moon, no?
• 36:17
  100% and I think him getting pushed to the moon is really
• 36:20
  important because one of the things that I kind of realized
• 36:24
  when I was watching this is that like there's not a lot of kind
• 36:27
  of just out and out there heels at the moment in the WE like if
• 36:30
  you look at kind of WrestleMania, you know, the only
• 36:33
  turn Orton a couple of weeks before and I don't think the
• 36:36
  crowd really bought it. And then obviously, you know,
• 36:38
  you had Roman and Punk two faces, you know, Roman and
• 36:42
  Jacob. I think you know, that was
• 36:43
  billed as two faces as well. Like like there's not that many
• 36:47
  strong heels. Let's say you've got Drew, who
• 36:49
  seems to be on a bit of a hiatus at the moment.
• 36:50
  So I think he's doing Highlander, but yeah.
• 36:53
  And then you've got Gunther. But I think as far as main event
• 36:56
  heels go at the minute, there's not many.
• 36:58
  So like, yeah, they really do need to kind of strap that
• 37:00
  rocket to break and you write the match.
• 37:03
  Backlash is kind of exactly what you want from an opening match.
• 37:05
  Fast, hard hitting, some cool little moments that I love when
• 37:09
  break I hits that kind of standard moonsault because you
• 37:11
  just look at them and you don't expect it necessarily from them.
• 37:13
  It was a nice little bit where Seth tried to kind of do a super
• 37:16
  kick and Bron just kind of grabs the boot and he's like, no, no.
• 37:19
  And then obviously Bron gets the win again.
• 37:21
  I think this leads to some kind of stipulation match between the
• 37:24
  two of them, and my only worry would be that Bron doesn't win
• 37:28
  that. But yeah, kind of so far so good
• 37:30
  with kind of how he's looked in that feud, like he looks like
• 37:34
  the bigger threat than Rollins. No, he certainly does.
• 37:37
  And I think, yeah, I think if he that's a few months ago, I
• 37:42
  wasn't like I was unsure on Bron, but I think he's come on a
• 37:45
  very long way over the last few months.
• 37:47
  I think he's he's a star now. He's a professional wrestler.
• 37:49
  He looks it, the way he speaks, the way he walks, the way he
• 37:52
  talks, the way he wrestles. He's a legit guy and he probably
• 37:57
  should be with his jeans, right? But yeah, loving it.
• 38:00
  Now my third and final positive of the week.
• 38:03
  I had to keep the three. I kind of listed more was Dan
• 38:06
  housing again. I just thought how how you
• 38:10
  almost swerved the sword because it was like everyone's betting
• 38:12
  punk. I was going to be a giant
• 38:13
  almost. What was it going to be?
• 38:14
  But actually you went with the quarter machine actually worked.
• 38:17
  It actually cloned a Midget housing who could wrestle.
• 38:20
  They got El Torito in, which was fantastic.
• 38:23
  I thought they had a great match with the Miz in Kit.
• 38:26
  I thought the awesome bit when when kit froze the Midget
• 38:29
  housing back in to The Time Machine, time machine to the
• 38:32
  corner machine, sorry, and it turns on.
• 38:34
  That's when I thought, oh, like a big a big clone's going to
• 38:37
  come out now. But it wasn't.
• 38:39
  It was loads of many ones and you know, and I mean, this is
• 38:42
  the best way possible, but it reminded me of like Ghostbusters
• 38:45
  and sort of the evolution of the Marshmallow Man.
• 38:46
  How, you know, we've had the Marshmallow Man and we've got
• 38:48
  the mid like the miniature marshmallows.
• 38:50
  And like all the Ghostbusters fans love it, the bio, the
• 38:53
  merch. Like it really resonates with
• 38:55
  children and adults alike. And I think Donna Hausen is 2
• 38:59
  WWE fans. What the Marshmallow Man is the
• 39:02
  Ghostbusters fans. And I think that's a, that's a
• 39:04
  huge comment in my opinion. Does that make sense, Luke?
• 39:06
  How I keep you out too much? No, no, it doesn't make perfect
• 39:09
  sense. Yeah, he's kind of almost become
• 39:10
  like a mascot WE hasn't he? But like a one that can fucking
• 39:13
  go in the ring when he needs to and is like really, really
• 39:15
  entertaining. And obviously, like, again, this
• 39:18
  was another highlight for me. We've talked quite a bit about
• 39:20
  Dan housing in it, but I just kind of wanted to like shout out
• 39:23
  Maze and Kit Wilson because kind of, you know, yes, El Torito can
• 39:27
  go and know that, but like they didn't half up and throw
• 39:29
  themselves around for him and it doesn't work if they're not
• 39:32
  fully invested in it. And like Maze after all this
• 39:35
  time, I think he's just one of the most like reliable people in
• 39:38
  the history of the wrestling business.
• 39:40
  You can put them at the top of the card.
• 39:41
  You put in the bottom of the card.
• 39:42
  You can put them in a comedy angle.
• 39:44
  And he never, you know what I mean?
• 39:46
  Like he's someone who's like been he's that long on the
• 39:48
  tooth. He could think like, why the
• 39:49
  fuck am I doing this? And just kind of do a half ass.
• 39:51
  But like this whole Dan housing pro angle and then the match
• 39:55
  itself, he's just gone into it like 110% and it doesn't work if
• 39:59
  everyone isn't on board. So I think like as good as Dan
• 40:02
  Housing is and as a like hilarious as he's being like
• 40:04
  this only works as well as it has because of how good kit and
• 40:08
  miss have been as well. No, certainly they're all
• 40:11
  public. I got to tell this.
• 40:12
  Hilarious and fun and heart woman story which is it's been
• 40:16
  wonderful so far. Everything from the backstage
• 40:18
  skits to the skits filmed and Mrs. House and on location to
• 40:21
  the actual in ring work. It's all blended perfectly to
• 40:23
  create this wonderful thing we love called professional
• 40:25
  wrestling. So where do you think like do
• 40:28
  you think that's this wrapped up now?
• 40:29
  What do you think they continue it like that isn't done House
• 40:34
  and maze kit. I think they continue it.
• 40:37
  So I think down the line, I think Dan Housen's going to, I'm
• 40:40
  not sure he takes a loss, but I think they're going to beat them
• 40:42
  down more than they did last time on RAW.
• 40:45
  I think the mid year probably gets destroyed a little bit and
• 40:50
  like that's when we'll see Dan Housen have to come up with
• 40:52
  something else and what would he come up with and we'll see.
• 40:56
  Yeah. I think it's got one more paper
• 40:57
  view left in it. Then I think everyone needs to
• 40:59
  kind of move on from it. But yeah, I wouldn't mind it
• 41:01
  going on a little bit longer. I think there's a little bit
• 41:03
  left on that one. Definitely.
• 41:07
  I can see down the line, I can see him tagging with Punk down
• 41:09
  the line in that special angle. I haven't shot the shot now,
• 41:12
  which is good and I think they'll use it.
• 41:14
  Down the line is like a last thing where it'll be like they
• 41:16
  could set it up where say the housing gets destroyed, these
• 41:19
  midgets get destroyed and it's like Donaldson, you need to find
• 41:22
  an actual wrestler to back you up.
• 41:25
  Nothing against mini housing but not when he does he turn a Punk
• 41:29
  not in at that point I don't know what maybe.
• 41:32
  No, definitely. Like I say, I think there's
• 41:34
  still a lot of a lot of way to go with that.
• 41:35
  So then I save so that what would then be your third
• 41:39
  positive from the week? So that was my third.
• 41:41
  Sorry Jake already brought it down of.
• 41:43
  Course you did, yeah. So yeah, I'll take over then.
• 41:46
  So my positive from the week, so I know this one probably didn't
• 41:49
  hit with you, but I'm going to give some explanation on it.
• 41:51
  So I'm going to go with Gingis Funeral and then the match.
• 41:55
  You just told me, now you're troll.
• 41:57
  I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm playing devil's advocate because
• 42:00
  I didn't like it last week. Like when we talked about it, I
• 42:04
  agreed with everything that you said.
• 42:05
  But then I think the over delivered with it on Smackdown
• 42:09
  and I've been doing my own pool. So you don't like it?
• 42:13
  I like it. A good friend.
• 42:15
  Matt liked it, George liked it. Now he's very decisive.
• 42:19
  Matt's wife was unsure, but his daughter really liked this.
• 42:22
  So at the minute you're you're you're in the like minority of
• 42:26
  people who didn't enjoy it. So I enjoyed it because I think
• 42:29
  that it it was played like straight enough by Sami Zayn.
• 42:34
  And I think the reason you didn't is that it maybe.
• 42:37
  Do you think it makes Sami Zayn look a bit stupid?
• 42:40
  So just Sammy's in it's the whole storyline, which it's one
• 42:43
  of my the whole trick Sammy feud.
• 42:47
  I'm going to talk about my negatives because I think the
• 42:49
  book did the wrong way. It's it's very strange.
• 42:51
  OK, no, but also all of you your name.
• 42:53
  I don't know who the arsenal is invalid.
• 42:56
  Right. OK, fair enough.
• 42:57
  It is, it is, it is a very political landscape world that
• 42:59
  we live in now. So if that's how you're going to
• 43:01
  go with it, fair enough. But.
• 43:03
  Am I joking guys? I do know who you are and I
• 43:05
  appreciate it all. I just think that it kind of
• 43:08
  because it was so stupid, I think it's actually useful to
• 43:11
  kind of get Sami Zayn kind of further down in the in this like
• 43:16
  descent of madness where kind of way snaps because it's like,
• 43:19
  yeah, this is fucking stupid. Like what's everyone doing?
• 43:21
  Why is everyone getting involved in this?
• 43:23
  And I think kind of the match itself, I thought their match
• 43:25
  was better than the Mania match. I enjoyed it and obviously
• 43:28
  again, right result keeping the belt on trick and I think it
• 43:31
  just I think I think they are done now.
• 43:33
  I really hope because it is done like anymore gingerbread man,
• 43:36
  I'll be back on your side. But I think it's enough to kind
• 43:40
  of really push Sammy's in down the line because I think sooner
• 43:43
  rather than later we're going to get heal Sammy versus Cody for
• 43:46
  the belt. Yeah, I think for me, I mean, it
• 43:49
  wasn't, it wasn't a huge part of the show.
• 43:51
  It was like it was over and done with.
• 43:53
  A chop was good, but like I didn't like it because he had
• 43:56
  like Sammy saw the straight and that was fine.
• 43:58
  But the other people in there who don't even know it, like
• 44:00
  gingerbread man was just something was dressed up to that
• 44:03
  trick Williams had dressed up to impersonate and buddy Sammy's
• 44:06
  in, right. So like all the people there who
• 44:08
  don't actually know him, like it doesn't make sense in a point
• 44:12
  where like they would have to be paid actors in the storyline to
• 44:16
  set it open all the stuff to be in on it, like to get at Sammy
• 44:20
  on behalf of trick and like that's not the case or therefore
• 44:23
  it doesn't make logical sense is why I didn't like it.
• 44:25
  Sammy did. Sammy did kind of say that on
• 44:28
  Smackdown he was going like all this costs money, this is mental
• 44:31
  like. So I think it was kind of
• 44:33
  implied, like trying to say like why are you doing this?
• 44:36
  Like choirs cost money, that coffins expensive, that cost
• 44:39
  money. So I think he kind of did allude
• 44:41
  to that. Oh, he did.
• 44:43
  But again, it just think, it just makes you think.
• 44:47
  But technical this like him, him facilitating it, it makes the
• 44:51
  view I lose respect for him because he's nonsense joining.
• 44:55
  So it's like like, yeah, like I just think you could have used a
• 45:00
  different man in a different way.
• 45:02
  I think you could have had like trick out and see all like I'm
• 45:05
  going to have like an emotional like farewell right now or like
• 45:09
  do I mean, you could do it that way about to do it how they did
• 45:11
  it, whether do you a universe or the.
• 45:15
  People backstage like bothered. About it, I just think it just,
• 45:19
  yeah, just. It just didn't.
• 45:20
  Make sense, but Sammy did well with it.
• 45:22
  Sammy saw the straight but I mean I'll dive me negative now.
• 45:25
  So like again, the match of backlash was a good match, but
• 45:29
  it's coded the opposite way. So like Sammy's obviously the
• 45:32
  body and tricks to the the face now because of the fun
• 45:37
  reactions, but they're still cording it the other way around.
• 45:39
  So like trick and yachty are like cheating on the outside and
• 45:42
  people can do sticks on the outside.
• 45:44
  That's not looking like being evil and I just think.
• 45:49
  Like you need a cord at. The other way, because you
• 45:51
  shoulders up the heels when you turn us up the good guys.
• 45:54
  And it's like, so you're sort of discrediting, like what's going
• 45:57
  on in the ring. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 45:59
  I think it's going. I think that's I think when we
• 46:01
  move on from this on this week's Smackdown, I think the will
• 46:04
  start a kind of put trick more in that he is definitely a face
• 46:07
  now and start turning away. I think it was just AI think
• 46:10
  they were they were obviously going for the double heel turn.
• 46:12
  I don't think they fully executed with the feud, but I
• 46:15
  think they've done enough with whatever they both do next.
• 46:18
  It'll then be cemented and this was just kind of the foundations
• 46:21
  of both of them going in a different direction.
• 46:24
  Absolutely. Take us with your next.
• 46:25
  Positives. So kind of.
• 46:28
  Saw Rooka and your skies match on Raw.
• 46:30
  I thought it was really good solid like match where kind of
• 46:34
  both them got a lot of good offense and I thought it was
• 46:36
  another good showing from saw Rooka where kind of if you
• 46:39
  hadn't watched I work in NXT, you got a much better.
• 46:42
  They kind of idea of what who she is, how she works in the
• 46:45
  ring, what her character is. And they kind of tied back a
• 46:48
  kind of he also had a really great match with Oscar and that
• 46:51
  looks like Oscar is setting down for a bit.
• 46:53
  So that's a bit of a negative. But yeah, I just think you was
• 46:56
  guy someone who kind of when she's in that ring, I think
• 46:59
  she's easily one of the best kind of female wrestlers in the
• 47:02
  world. And she had a kind of
• 47:04
  back-to-back kind of solid night with Backlash and then Roar.
• 47:07
  So it was really cool getting to see Soul Rooker in there with
• 47:09
  her. I'll be interested to see where
• 47:11
  they go with that next because obviously the kind of teased
• 47:13
  Becky Soul Rooker last week. And then obviously EO is now
• 47:17
  there. So is that we're going to get
• 47:17
  some kind of triple threat for the IC title because I know EO
• 47:21
  as also faced back you recently. So yeah, I think it leads to
• 47:23
  some kind of fun possible matches and storylines with the
• 47:26
  three of them involved, yes. I did enjoy the match of.
• 47:31
  What was good for EO? And for Sol Ruga.
• 47:34
  The Oscar stuff, that's actually one of my negatives of the week.
• 47:36
  I just feel a bit confused by it.
• 47:38
  So, So it's such like an evil imminent person treating Kyrie
• 47:42
  Sane really badly. Kyrie Sane has also been
• 47:45
  released and. Then Charles the great match
• 47:48
  with. With your Sky, a backlash sort
• 47:52
  of has a come to our. Senses moment where?
• 47:56
  She sort of hugs her then here we see I've been super, super
• 47:59
  nice to her and then sort of almost acting like she's
• 48:02
  retired. I don't know if I've missed
• 48:03
  something on the line but like I don't get how like.
• 48:10
  We are where we are like I get. Have a company senses moment in
• 48:13
  the ring after such a big fight. But then like to then the next
• 48:17
  night on Raw go back to being like, oh, I'm super nicey nicey
• 48:20
  now and I've removed the face. We had to go back to the black
• 48:22
  line across my face. So it means I'm a good guy and
• 48:24
  I'm going to retire. Like, so would this have
• 48:27
  happened if Kyrie hadn't been released?
• 48:28
  Like, I'm just a bit confused with the sudden change in
• 48:31
  Oscar's character. Yeah, I think, but I think
• 48:33
  that's part. Of the problem with that isn't I
• 48:35
  think if you if you go online, nobody has the answer to that.
• 48:38
  I think there seems to be a bit of kind of confusion kind of
• 48:41
  internally and with fans generally.
• 48:44
  I didn't mind the bit on raw and I'll tell you why because this
• 48:46
  will give you my kind of where my points of references are.
• 48:49
  But when she was like, Oh yeah, I was being like this because I
• 48:52
  just needed someone to be my replacement.
• 48:54
  But now I know it's you and I love you.
• 48:56
  I thought it was a bit like Gene Wild as Willy Wonka know where
• 49:00
  Charlie's like doesn't get the ticket and he's like you get
• 49:02
  often so foot off. But then Charlie gives him the
• 49:05
  everlasting Gobstar back and he's like, no, that was just a
• 49:08
  test. You now win.
• 49:09
  So maybe that's what it was. Maybe they were going for like a
• 49:11
  Willy Wonka Charlie Booker type. Do you think that's what they
• 49:13
  were aiming at? That works.
• 49:15
  It does work. That's.
• 49:16
  What they were. Roald Dahl should be suing them
• 49:18
  though for infringement from his grave.
• 49:21
  He's a state, Yeah. He's.
• 49:22
  Got those? All the states got the money one
• 49:26
  way or another. Yeah, so I did because that's
• 49:28
  what that's. What it made me think of in my
• 49:30
  head, it was all just a trick to see how good your sky really
• 49:33
  was. But she deserves the Chocolate
• 49:35
  Factory, and now she's got it. I think one thing.
• 49:38
  I so I talked to. Somebody today, actually.
• 49:40
  So I think Oscar's like in her 40s, you know, Don't you realize
• 49:42
  how old she is? Yeah, I mean, do you know what
• 49:46
  it is? I mean, suppose it probably
• 49:48
  would make sense because you had a big like now, because
• 49:50
  obviously she was well known before she went NXT.
• 49:53
  And if you include that NXT run, I think she's probably been
• 49:57
  employed by WE for well over 10 years now.
• 49:59
  So yeah, kind of it does make sense if you think about it.
• 50:04
  Yeah, I think she, I think she came to.
• 50:05
  Read like in her in her late 20s so I think I think she should
• 50:08
  probably be there long on your thing.
• 50:11
  I didn't looks great, I can still.
• 50:12
  Go but. Is that why I should need some
• 50:14
  time off now? Maybe I didn't realize either
• 50:17
  that your. Sky is either married to or
• 50:18
  engaged to evil down the XT either.
• 50:21
  Well, I didn't know that's a new one.
• 50:22
  No, I. Didn't I've read that?
• 50:25
  Is it legit or is it? No, I think it is legit, yeah,
• 50:28
  because obviously. That's yeah, I think it is
• 50:29
  legit, Yeah. OK.
• 50:32
  And then? While I've done that negative, I
• 50:34
  mean I'll do my final negative and that was the over family
• 50:37
  open challenge. You know, it looked great, the
• 50:43
  movies. He did on the two guys, you
• 50:44
  know, he showed his dominance. So he tick boxes that looked, he
• 50:47
  looked great and he really dominated 2 guys.
• 50:49
  I just think they've already got themselves.
• 50:52
  In the corner where nobody wants.
• 50:53
  To come and challenge in the storyline and then he's had to
• 50:55
  go backstage and drag them in without them consenting.
• 50:59
  So is that assault? Like if you did that to if you
• 51:03
  did that to somebody sexually, you know it would be rape,
• 51:06
  right? So like, I just think, yeah, it
• 51:09
  was just weird. And then those two guys like
• 51:12
  didn't benefit at all from it. So like, and then apparently
• 51:15
  they blacked out their social media accounts thoughts as if
• 51:17
  they're gone. So I just think you've already
• 51:20
  killed this open challenge and you need to give them a
• 51:21
  legitimate contender now. Yeah, no, it was a negative for
• 51:24
  me as well. I.
• 51:25
  Can't agree with most of the comments that you see and even
• 51:28
  your rape analogy. The it's yes we're not seem
• 51:31
  already. It's the type of thing you did
• 51:32
  is if you were good, this is what you would have done after
• 51:35
  the Royal Rumble, potentially like a couple of weeks of this
• 51:38
  after the Royal Rumble. But we've already hadn't beat
• 51:41
  Brock now and he's a kind of made guy.
• 51:43
  So it's just not needed. And like I say, I was kind of
• 51:46
  judging it on a week by week basis.
• 51:47
  I thought it was fun last week with all this kind of those two
• 51:49
  big guys going out and seeing what was getting thrown about.
• 51:52
  But then this week was like a massive set back from it.
• 51:55
  And then it's like, so then what happens next week?
• 51:57
  Is he just going to keep dragging guys out the back
• 51:59
  because like I'm already done with seeing that.
• 52:01
  So I think if this is, I think it needs to end next week and
• 52:05
  someone needs to come out who is a bit more of a challenger and
• 52:09
  maybe he's just kind of did get a DQ to lead to a pay-per-view
• 52:13
  match because, yeah, I think we're unsure about it.
• 52:16
  But I already think it's going down a negative road and after
• 52:18
  doing so well of making them look like a superstar against
• 52:21
  Brock Lesnar and they need to wrap it up quick.
• 52:24
  Yeah, I mean, so. He looked great again, so like
• 52:27
  he looked great. He really dominated them.
• 52:29
  But I think. Like again, he's over.
• 52:33
  The crowd, so you're really going to show me he just goes
• 52:35
  backstage and picks or he wants and brings a ring and destroys
• 52:37
  them. I think like but like we've seen
• 52:39
  them take out both Viking. Raiders as well, so it's not
• 52:41
  like we've never seen him do 2 on one.
• 52:43
  So that there was just nothing other than going to the back and
• 52:45
  dragging someone out. There was nothing new that we
• 52:48
  haven't seen that you can do like.
• 52:50
  Like if those who had have answered the challenge, it would
• 52:52
  have been a negative because it's like it was never in doubt.
• 52:56
  So yeah, it's just yeah, the need.
• 52:58
  But it's a funny 1 though, because I don't.
• 53:00
  So let's say that you start them in a proper feud next.
• 53:03
  Who do you think is the right person to have that feud with?
• 53:08
  But who would you who would you want to see him go up against
• 53:10
  next like that you that is like realistic.
• 53:13
  I think you need to put him with.
• 53:14
  Like a like a scheme and heal who can again, like get the DQ
• 53:18
  victories, runaway, hide from him, hit them with chairs, low
• 53:22
  blows like that type of shenanigans.
• 53:23
  And then obviously all my wins in the end.
• 53:25
  But it would suspend disbelief a bit where like the guys aren't
• 53:28
  playing by the rules. That's the only way you can beat
• 53:30
  them. Yeah, I wonder.
• 53:32
  If you put because obviously got announced on raw that at main
• 53:37
  event in a couple of weeks you've got Ethan Page versus
• 53:39
  Penta. I wouldn't have to put the belt
• 53:41
  on Ethan just to drop it over something like that.
• 53:43
  Maybe I don't know but yet something that like a kind of
• 53:46
  have thought about, but I don't really know what the logical
• 53:49
  like best next movies with ober I.
• 53:53
  Mean. Yeah, because he's be broke.
• 53:55
  And like, he's to the moon all of a sudden, and then it's all
• 53:59
  slowed off because there's no more Brocks to feed him right
• 54:01
  then. Like you sort of got to put a
• 54:03
  title on him. I think you're right.
• 54:04
  Like sooner rather than later. I mean, we're not that far away
• 54:07
  from when. They would normally do King of
• 54:08
  the Ring because that's normally the one before summer slam.
• 54:11
  So you've got your lie. But then that's still two months
• 54:14
  away. Probably because that would be
• 54:16
  my thing. Just not have them on TV that
• 54:18
  much. Then have them on King of the
• 54:19
  Ring. Yeah, that's.
• 54:21
  How I would have booked it? But yeah, so I don't know, I
• 54:24
  don't know logically what you do, because in my head, I think
• 54:26
  the next logical move would be to have them just be like king
• 54:30
  of the ring. But looks like they're going to
• 54:31
  have them on TV every week instead, which might not
• 54:33
  actually be the best thing for him.
• 54:35
  Yeah, actually, if you haven't declared a king.
• 54:36
  Of the ring early look, you could say, look, I'm a prize
• 54:38
  fighter. I beat Brock, I gave me the
• 54:41
  Royal Rumble, I'll be broke at WrestleMania, I've got me sights
• 54:44
  set on King of the Ring. Well, do me next bit of damage
• 54:47
  and I'll win King of the Ring and then I'll get me title shot.
• 54:50
  Comes to King of the Ring when I get a world title shot and then
• 54:52
  he gets his world title shot on the line, definitely.
• 54:55
  So yeah, I think. Yeah, I think the only thing
• 54:57
  that will kind of prolong this a bit longer is if you maybe had a
• 55:00
  Braun Strowman come out or an almost come out like a couple
• 55:03
  more weeks of that. But like dragging out like you
• 55:06
  know, I like kind of Los Gazos. I think if they are doing, I
• 55:10
  think with both of them, there's a bit of miss potential in them
• 55:12
  as a team and as solo axe. But like, yeah, like they are
• 55:16
  job as on the really like if you want to be harsh.
• 55:19
  So it's like we don't need to see him in there with people who
• 55:21
  are kind of, you know, viewed as job as as respectfully as I can
• 55:25
  say that, yeah. Do you think like a Grayson
• 55:27
  Wallach? Could like get in there with him
• 55:29
  and like run away from him and like get him if Grace and Mark
• 55:33
  could get him to like wind him up, get him and chase him around
• 55:35
  the ring. Try and beat him down that way.
• 55:38
  No. Blows like cheat to win, get
• 55:40
  disqualified, that type of stuff.
• 55:42
  Maybe he's, but they've. Already had him get squashed,
• 55:45
  didn't he? Squashed Wallah?
• 55:46
  Like I think just maybe he's the night after Mania, didn't he?
• 55:49
  Right. Maybe he did, yeah, but it's.
• 55:51
  Interesting what they do with. Wallah, because he's someone who
• 55:53
  I really like and he's obviously survived these this round of
• 55:57
  cuts. So obviously still have
• 55:59
  something in mind for him and obviously because he was with
• 56:01
  the New Day. So I think he's someone who
• 56:02
  whatever his next thing is, is possibly make or break for him.
• 56:07
  Yeah, I mean, if he has. Already done it, you could come.
• 56:09
  Out and be like oh I tried it the real way now I'm going to
• 56:11
  come out like windy open trying to escape and run away and hit
• 56:14
  you with a chair no blow yeah but yeah but ultimately this
• 56:17
  just. Shouldn't be doing the open
• 56:18
  challenges. I think that's where they've
• 56:19
  kind of booked themselves into a corner with this, yeah.
• 56:24
  Anyone. I got to see you, Luke.
• 56:26
  Yeah, so I've got I've. Got a few so I've got like I'll
• 56:28
  go with me well I've got a few yeah so we'll start by first
• 56:32
  negative with the section that would like to do is ricochet
• 56:35
  world champion yet he is not he's.
• 56:38
  Not known. He also got a promo.
• 56:40
  On Dynamite last week. Fuck me.
• 56:42
  Like I honestly think like you could give like my, my fiance a
• 56:47
  microphone and have I go out and stand in front of a crowd and
• 56:51
  cut it back for more than he cuts.
• 56:52
  I don't understand how bad he is.
• 56:54
  He sounds like he's on the verge of tears.
• 56:56
  He said they were in South Carolina when it was north of
• 56:59
  the opposite. And I'd imagine he'll see did
• 57:01
  that on purpose? Did he fuck?
• 57:03
  Like he's just so fucking nervous on the microphone.
• 57:05
  He's terrible. And it's kind of dragging out
• 57:09
  this feud with Jericho. So they're going to have a
• 57:10
  stadium Stampede match now, which I'll always enjoy, but
• 57:14
  then obviously Jericho hasn't got anyone a team with yet.
• 57:17
  That was part of it. Like if you can actually find
• 57:19
  anyone a team with. And then at the Fairway to Hell
• 57:21
  show, Ricochet cost Jack Perry another one.
• 57:25
  I hate the fucking title. So I feel like Jericho's now
• 57:29
  going to be teaming with Jurassic Express in a Stampede
• 57:32
  match against Ricochet and his like goons.
• 57:34
  And I just think, why are the Muddy and Jericho's boots with
• 57:37
  them? You haven't worked the worst
• 57:39
  people in the company on a big scale.
• 57:42
  I hated all of it. Peter, it's not good for you
• 57:45
  because. You love Chris.
• 57:45
  Jericho. I do love Chris Jericho and I've
• 57:48
  kind. Of I've always been up and down
• 57:50
  with AW, but I'm enjoying it a lot more than I ever have.
• 57:53
  But like, yeah, like I'd say Jack Perry, Ricochet and the
• 57:57
  Young books are like the ones where like if they're on, I'm
• 58:00
  instantly got me back up. So it's like having Jack Perry
• 58:03
  with Jericho going against Ricochet.
• 58:05
  It just unticks so many boxes that Chris Jericho takes for me.
• 58:09
  And I mean, it's Stadium Stampede, so it will be fun.
• 58:12
  Like, there'll be stuff there. But like, yeah, I just.
• 58:15
  I just don't get why this is. Jared was first viewed back.
• 58:18
  Yeah. And how long do we know?
• 58:21
  Well, it was a new deal, apparently.
• 58:22
  Wasn't it New Deal? OK, so I've couple of years.
• 58:25
  Then that's what I've heard. Yeah, so be.
• 58:27
  Interesting to see where it does go from there.
• 58:29
  But yeah, so we've got a couple of things there.
• 58:32
  Again, another one, and I feel like we've talked about this a
• 58:34
  lot, but they're looking like they're going to continue on
• 58:36
  Smackdown. It looks like Ria and Jade's
• 58:38
  going to have another match. Yep, again, like the feud.
• 58:43
  Leading in was terrible. The match of Mania was fine.
• 58:47
  Do I ever want to see them kind of in the like a media future go
• 58:50
  again? No.
• 58:51
  Especially when like you've done a good job of bringing kind of
• 58:54
  toxic attraction up and there's so many of that option of toxic,
• 58:57
  fatal influence. Toxic attraction was the old
• 58:59
  one, wasn't it? Fatal Influence.
• 59:00
  I just think there was so many better options for Ria's first
• 59:03
  kind of legitimate challenge. And it looks like it's going to
• 59:06
  be Jade again. And that's just something that I
• 59:08
  had no interest in before, have no interest in now.
• 59:12
  So that was kind of a negative. I mean, do you, do you think
• 59:14
  this can improve at all from what we've seen so far with
• 59:17
  them? So it just made me think like
• 59:19
  meh. Like, you know, as I said in the
• 59:22
  podcast, in the build of Mania, I wasn't the fan of that, wasn't
• 59:24
  enjoying the build. The Mania match was good, I
• 59:26
  thought, but do I want to see them again right now?
• 59:30
  I think you've already said you don't.
• 59:31
  I'm the same. I don't.
• 59:33
  It didn't scream negative to me, but it did scream just like I'm
• 59:36
  not. There's other things happening
• 59:37
  on the call that I'm excited about.
• 59:38
  So you're not even in the forefront of me mind, which is
• 59:42
  maybe a bad thing. Yeah.
• 59:43
  And I like both of them, so I think.
• 59:45
  That's one of the negatives where I just think you could be
• 59:47
  getting so much more out of both of them by getting them away
• 59:50
  from each other. So yeah, I think that's that was
• 59:52
  definitely a negative, but too much because obviously we've
• 59:55
  talked about that feud a lot and with a little negative.
• 59:58
  I didn't enjoy Raquel Rodriguez's comments to Paige.
• 1:00:02
  Just saying that like, you know, obviously you might as well give
• 1:00:04
  us the titles, but now because you just know that scandal away,
• 1:00:07
  like we know what's going to happen type of thing.
• 1:00:08
  And I know when wrestling people like to bring stuff like that
• 1:00:11
  up, but why I thought was quite bad tastes.
• 1:00:13
  I think about a week ago you had Paige on Stephanie at man's
• 1:00:16
  podcast one about how like them scandals was from the darkest
• 1:00:19
  times of her life and she contemplated suicide.
• 1:00:22
  So then jump forward seven days to be kind of drawn reference to
• 1:00:25
  it in an angle that didn't didn't really sit right with us.
• 1:00:28
  I mean, what were your thoughts on that?
• 1:00:31
  Similar thoughts, but this is. Professional wrestling, you
• 1:00:34
  know, I think if you go back to when Randy told Eddie, sorry,
• 1:00:38
  when Randy told Ray, why are you pointing to the sky for?
• 1:00:41
  And he's not up there in heaven, Eddie.
• 1:00:42
  Eddie's down there in hell. See, I'm pumping the Undertaker,
• 1:00:46
  steal the steal the urn, the ushers of pallbearer.
• 1:00:52
  It happens so often, isn't it? I think we had that was even
• 1:00:57
  Paige who made the comments about read to Charlotte.
• 1:00:59
  Yeah, that's what I mean. So I just.
• 1:01:01
  Think, but like you said, yes, press and wrestling it happened,
• 1:01:03
  but when comments like that get made, I think the more come
• 1:01:07
  across negative. Like I think it just makes
• 1:01:10
  things look cheaper. But I think very few of them
• 1:01:12
  comments like, you know, Eddie's down in hell.
• 1:01:15
  Like it's a it's funny, but like it's funny for the wrong
• 1:01:17
  reasons, if that makes sense, Because it was like kind of that
• 1:01:20
  bad. And then obviously like the the
• 1:01:23
  read flare stuff he said that was just bad that I can't think
• 1:01:26
  of any kind of comments like, like, you know, personal kind of
• 1:01:29
  offhanded comments that were actually good.
• 1:01:31
  I think Sunny days was good. That was a good one, wasn't it?
• 1:01:35
  No. But but why there was that's?
• 1:01:39
  Professional wrestling but never happened as lies.
• 1:01:43
  Well, that's why. That's why he's what needs to
• 1:01:45
  make it good. It has to be a lie.
• 1:01:46
  Maybe that's where they've been going wrong.
• 1:01:48
  They've been going through truthful.
• 1:01:49
  But yeah, I just thought a lot of stress stuff.
• 1:01:52
  Well, actually it did, yes. And he's.
• 1:01:53
  He's a very but he likes stress, doesn't it works towards his
• 1:01:56
  character. It it feeds the character.
• 1:01:59
  But yeah, I just think maybe it was I think to I thought as
• 1:02:01
  well, I would think it's because it was like Raquel Rodriguez,
• 1:02:03
  who hasn't really done much on the main roster.
• 1:02:05
  It was like kind of like, who are you to say that?
• 1:02:08
  Yeah, who is you talking? To the fucking one of the best
• 1:02:12
  women's wrestlers of the last decade.
• 1:02:13
  Like I yeah, if Liv Morgan had a said it.
• 1:02:16
  Maybe it might have been delivered better, but I just
• 1:02:17
  think the delivery of it wasn't great either.
• 1:02:19
  So if you're going to say something like that, you have to
• 1:02:21
  get your delivery down fucking on point.
• 1:02:23
  And it wasn't. But yeah, I mean, it was just a
• 1:02:25
  small one. I just think I think it was more
• 1:02:27
  just because like of how should spoke about things on that
• 1:02:30
  podcast fairly recently as well. It just kind of seemed like
• 1:02:33
  total 180 on that. But no, it is what it is when it
• 1:02:36
  comes to that. And then another negative.
• 1:02:39
  But I'm going to put it as a positive because I'm again, let
• 1:02:41
  them tell the story. But I'm confused about Will
• 1:02:44
  Osprey just deciding that he's going to train with the Death
• 1:02:46
  Raiders because like when he first come back, he was going to
• 1:02:49
  snap Moxley's neck and he was going to murder him.
• 1:02:52
  And then he's lost the match to him and he seems to have lost
• 1:02:54
  some self-confidence. And now the Death Raiders have
• 1:02:57
  said that they can help him get his confidence back.
• 1:02:58
  And he's just like, yeah, OK then.
• 1:03:01
  Because like when? Osprey come back, he was like.
• 1:03:03
  Super fired up. Whereas now it's like, I don't
• 1:03:06
  mind the losing confidence angle, but like I just think to
• 1:03:09
  go from wanting to murder someone and snap the neck and
• 1:03:12
  having a massive parking lot brawl with them to then like
• 1:03:15
  just go to the gym with them, it's a bit odd.
• 1:03:19
  No, it is nothing. I've only seen some pieces of
• 1:03:22
  this, but with the death riders trying to get in his head and
• 1:03:25
  stuff like have them manipulated him or does not seem so.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah, and I think you what? It's going to lead to is a big
• 1:03:32
  match with which was one of the positives.
• 1:03:34
  I like of kind of some more Joe's new kind of faction of
• 1:03:37
  sorts. So he's had it before, but
• 1:03:38
  obviously Joe's been out injured.
• 1:03:39
  So massive positive to see him back and he's got his group, the
• 1:03:42
  OPS where he's kind of added Anthony Bourne's and she brought
• 1:03:46
  out to it. And obviously Hook was already
• 1:03:47
  with him and he's kind of, you know, doing his good, good promo
• 1:03:51
  work that Joe does call them William saying that like, you
• 1:03:54
  know, death, death riders isn't the one for you.
• 1:03:56
  You should join my group. You need to make a decision.
• 1:03:59
  So I think this leads to him actually kind of teaming with
• 1:04:01
  John. You get a big match between the
• 1:04:03
  OPS and the death Riders, which I think will be a really, really
• 1:04:05
  good kind of a good match. So I'm happy to let it play out.
• 1:04:09
  But I just think kind of from a stake, from a story point of
• 1:04:12
  view to go from on to murder someone one week to kind of
• 1:04:15
  fucking doing push ups and grapples with.
• 1:04:18
  It's just, it just seems a bit off.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, No, I definitely. See what you're saying there?
• 1:04:23
  But. But yeah, but I think that kind
• 1:04:25
  of wraps up my. Positives and negatives for the
• 1:04:26
  week. I say there was a lot happened
• 1:04:28
  this week was indeed we could. Have I could have done 10?
• 1:04:31
  For each, but we need to keep it on time because unlike our last
• 1:04:36
  official episode, we're going to do things in order.
• 1:04:38
  So the next one is a moment in time.
• 1:04:39
  We have not forgot Luke Good. I was very.
• 1:04:42
  Anxious about that? Last week I was letting you go
• 1:04:44
  and then we're nearly done. But yeah, we'll remember that
• 1:04:46
  clearly. What was first, isn't it?
• 1:04:47
  Yeah. So, yeah, moment in time.
• 1:04:49
  That's the next section. That's especially, you know,
• 1:04:51
  from two people who might be autistic.
• 1:04:53
  It's not like us to forget things in order.
• 1:04:55
  No. I honestly thought we'd done it.
• 1:04:56
  That's why I didn't cover it. They might bring out to order
• 1:04:59
  the net, but then, yeah, you said that.
• 1:05:01
  That was me being silly. Yeah, well, that's what that's
• 1:05:04
  what working full. Time does me you know, we've got
• 1:05:06
  a lot of in in our lives does especially now I do the job of
• 1:05:08
  three people at. Work.
• 1:05:09
  It's pretty crazy, yes. A moment in time.
• 1:05:13
  So we look at a wrestling match, a moment in event, something
• 1:05:17
  that we think is really cool, great, interesting, that maybe
• 1:05:20
  doesn't get talked about as some of the greatest moments in
• 1:05:22
  wrestling, but that we think is worth commenting on.
• 1:05:25
  I chose this week's moment in Time and it was from WWE and
• 1:05:28
  Night of Champions 2012, which was of course, live from the
• 1:05:31
  Boston TD Garden, which was of course a location for
• 1:05:35
  WrestleMania 14 where Stone Cold C Austin won the title from
• 1:05:39
  Shawn Michaels with the help of Iron Mike Tyson.
• 1:05:41
  Do you remember that, Luke? I do, yes.
• 1:05:44
  Yes, it was fantastic. But we're not talking about
• 1:05:46
  that. We're talking about Night of
• 1:05:47
  Champions 2012 and I have picked a fantastic match that is Randy
• 1:05:52
  Orton versus Dolph Ziggler in 18 Minute Classic.
• 1:05:57
  Luke, when I think about Knight of Champions or sorry, when I
• 1:05:59
  ask you about Knight of Champions 2012, what comes to
• 1:06:02
  mind about this era? So it's.
• 1:06:04
  Kind of an era. I mean you.
• 1:06:05
  Were watching a lot of this together.
• 1:06:07
  I think we were. I was living with a good friend,
• 1:06:09
  Matt at the time and I kind of remember being like All In at
• 1:06:12
  this point because obviously you had the CM Punk somewhere, a
• 1:06:15
  punk, didn't you? It was that kind of era.
• 1:06:17
  It was indeed. Remember my good.
• 1:06:20
  Old come bed would come out when I'd stay at yours and Matt's.
• 1:06:23
  Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
• 1:06:25
  And if you remember, then got like a different house and then
• 1:06:28
  remember that first night when I had the Internet hadn't been
• 1:06:30
  installed yet. So I paid for BT Wi-Fi, but we
• 1:06:33
  could only get it in the hallway.
• 1:06:34
  So I mean, you sat in the hallway and stayed up for raw
• 1:06:37
  simpler times. That was so that that when.
• 1:06:41
  That attack is. 2012 comes up. That's what comes to my head,
• 1:06:43
  that era of living. Lots of drinking, lots of shifts
• 1:06:46
  at the cinema and watching Monday Night Raws in a hallway
• 1:06:49
  because that's the only place that BTS paid for, Wi-Fi
• 1:06:52
  reached. And I think one too many kebab.
• 1:06:54
  Wraps. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:06:58
  I'll tell. You what?
• 1:06:58
  I didn't kind of remember. I mean, I remember this being a
• 1:07:01
  thing, but like obviously at this time Booker, TB and the GM
• 1:07:04
  are Smackdown and AJB and the GM of Raw at the time that they're
• 1:07:07
  2 quite interesting kind of choices that I think unless you
• 1:07:11
  go back, are easy to forget happened.
• 1:07:13
  No, I had. I haven't.
• 1:07:14
  Gotten already watched this. I was like, Oh yes, that was a
• 1:07:17
  thing. So I had I had forgotten.
• 1:07:21
  What if we? Called so there.
• 1:07:23
  Was a match on the pre show. It was a 60 man battle royal to
• 1:07:29
  determine the number one contender for the US title.
• 1:07:32
  Zack Ryder won by last eliminating Matt Bloom himself.
• 1:07:35
  Tensei. I mean a nearly 6 minute battle
• 1:07:39
  royal. We then go to the main card so
• 1:07:41
  the Miz defeats Cody Rhodes, Rey Mysterio and Sincora.
• 1:07:44
  It's a fatal four way for the intercontinental championship.
• 1:07:47
  We then have Kane and Daniel Bryan team yes No.
• 1:07:49
  They defeat Kobe Kingston and R Truth for the Tag Team
• 1:07:53
  Championships. Cesaro is your United States
• 1:07:55
  champion and he is teamed with Aksana as his valet or manager.
• 1:08:03
  He defeats Zack Ryder, so Zack Ryder double duty Zack Ryder or
• 1:08:06
  good old Macardona wins the battle royal but he is defeated
• 1:08:09
  by Cesaro. We then get the match we're
• 1:08:11
  going to talk about which is Randy Orton versus Dolph
• 1:08:13
  Ziggler. We then have Eve Torres versus
• 1:08:17
  Leila for the Divas Championship, and we have Seamus
• 1:08:21
  defending the World Heavyweight Championship against Alberto Del
• 1:08:24
  Rio. And then the main event is CM
• 1:08:28
  Punk versus John Cena. And this is when Punk had Paul,
• 1:08:30
  him in his corner, not ended in a draw, if you remember Luke.
• 1:08:35
  Yeah, and it was in Cena's hometown.
• 1:08:37
  Wasn't it was at the TD Garden in Boston?
• 1:08:39
  It was indeed, but I. Mean that's just dive into this
• 1:08:42
  all it's spack it's smack Bang Bang in the middle of the cod
• 1:08:47
  Randy Orton versus Dolph ziggler it's before the women's match
• 1:08:49
  the cool down and then you've got your two world title main
• 1:08:52
  events so it's probably right where it needs to be in the cord
• 1:08:54
  and I think it might be the best match of the night to be fair
• 1:08:57
  the reason why I chose it is because I think yeah I think
• 1:09:00
  it's a great match I think when I think about it I.
• 1:09:03
  Think it's? You know it.
• 1:09:04
  Shows brilliant technical work. Great in ring chemistry from
• 1:09:08
  these two. It's intense, it's fast-paced,
• 1:09:11
  the action. That is, in times, quite
• 1:09:15
  ferocious. And quite hard hitting, I think
• 1:09:17
  really does cement Ziggler has a credible mean event talent.
• 1:09:20
  You know, I think at this point, Randy Orton's already a nine
• 1:09:22
  time world champion. So we know we know who Randy is,
• 1:09:24
  we know he's the main guy. But I think this match helps put
• 1:09:27
  Ziggler on the map as being a guy who can deliver and who can
• 1:09:30
  hang in the most realistic, sort of, with some of the most
• 1:09:34
  realist hitting wrestlers of the time.
• 1:09:38
  I think no, that's a really good point because I think.
• 1:09:40
  You can kind of see the trajectory that Dolphs on at
• 1:09:42
  this point. Obviously he's missed the money
• 1:09:44
  in the bank. And I think when you've got that
• 1:09:46
  money in the bank briefcase, especially if you're a Healy,
• 1:09:48
  can afford to kind of lose more than you win.
• 1:09:52
  But it's about kind of who you're in there with and how
• 1:09:54
  you're shown. And like, if you just kind of
• 1:09:56
  took all that away and just showed someone that match, you'd
• 1:10:00
  more than who knew nothing about wrestling.
• 1:10:01
  You would think both these guys are exact are at exactly the
• 1:10:04
  same level, like the kind of equals.
• 1:10:07
  So that's that's why I think this is like a really slight
• 1:10:09
  kind of strong Sean from Dolph Ziggler in this one.
• 1:10:11
  It's probably like probably that kind of run with the money in
• 1:10:14
  the bank and ways with Big E and then winning the titles probably
• 1:10:17
  kind of the most consistently. He's kind of booked in the what
• 1:10:19
  kind of as you've said, slap bang right in the middle of
• 1:10:21
  that. Definitely.
• 1:10:24
  So as I said, the match is quite fast.
• 1:10:25
  Paced back and forth, but essentially it starts off with
• 1:10:28
  Randy and Zigler sort of locking up like quite intensely, like
• 1:10:32
  it's a show of strength, goes into a headlock.
• 1:10:35
  It then speeds a bit and there's like Irish whip off the ropes,
• 1:10:38
  leapfrogs and then goes back to a lock up and they're sort of
• 1:10:42
  grappling with each other. Is a big shoulder knock down
• 1:10:48
  from from Randy on the Dolph. Orton's really taking it
• 1:10:53
  physically to Ziggler. There's Randy's hitting Ziggler
• 1:10:56
  with his claws lines where he's knocking them down pretty
• 1:10:57
  firmly. You know, the pretty stiff
• 1:11:00
  looks, the JIT and sort of Ziggler has taken it.
• 1:11:02
  He's making it look $1,000,000. We have a bit where.
• 1:11:08
  Randy sort of stomp in the limbs of Ziggler.
• 1:11:10
  Classic Randy in this period he'll be stamps on each ankle,
• 1:11:13
  stamps on each wrist. He also he's hitting Ziggler
• 1:11:17
  with some pretty nasty stiff looking uppercuts as well.
• 1:11:20
  Ziggler fights back, hits him with an awesome dropkick.
• 1:11:23
  Ziggler's dropkicks always up $1,000,000 is what I thought.
• 1:11:29
  He goes to sort of a. Ziggling goes sort of the to
• 1:11:32
  grind Randy down. He puts him in like a chokehold,
• 1:11:37
  you know, with his foot. As they choke them in the
• 1:11:40
  corner. Now he hits.
• 1:11:44
  Him with a big kick and. Then there's a neck breaker and
• 1:11:46
  Randy kicks out. It's quite awesome.
• 1:11:50
  Where like again. Sort of the the work in each
• 1:11:52
  other, backwards and forwards, hitting each other with some
• 1:11:53
  kind of big stuff. There's a springboard suplex at
• 1:11:56
  one point, so Ziggler goes to give Randy a vertical.
• 1:12:00
  Randy blocks it with the feet. Randy Abel reverses it, but then
• 1:12:02
  he lands Ziggler on the ropes and swings them back into the
• 1:12:06
  into the sort of springboard suplex, which is fantastic.
• 1:12:09
  Yeah, I kind of put, I put with I.
• 1:12:11
  Put in there for that that kind of he can Ziglar kind of sells
• 1:12:13
  that the only way Ziglar can't he like makes that move look
• 1:12:16
  like more dangerous and has any right to be or 100%.
• 1:12:20
  He then takes a back breaker. There's claws, lines into the
• 1:12:23
  power slam. Like Vinta Jordan, he goes.
• 1:12:26
  For the draping DDC off. The second rope, the glass
• 1:12:29
  scapes it. There's a nasty powerbomb
• 1:12:32
  counter, but you don't go. I do a lot there.
• 1:12:35
  That's. What?
• 1:12:35
  I thought, I can't remember how many times I've seen Orton do a
• 1:12:37
  powerbomb. Yeah, and it came out of
• 1:12:39
  nowhere, like. Speaking around the Orton and it
• 1:12:41
  was like, so it was a nasty counter.
• 1:12:42
  I was fast. It looked vicious.
• 1:12:47
  Yeah, sort of. They got kicks out.
• 1:12:49
  They got some of the damage as only as I can.
• 1:12:52
  Randy goes for superplex as they got fights it off.
• 1:12:54
  There's a missile dropkick again, beautiful thing.
• 1:12:57
  There's a 2 count on Randy, the sort of stop brawling on the
• 1:13:00
  knees, the fighter to the feet, the brawl of each other.
• 1:13:06
  They got takes on over the top rope.
• 1:13:08
  It was kind of like a bull like in like.
• 1:13:11
  A on the fly kind of bulldog over the rope, wasn't it the way
• 1:13:13
  he kind of does it? Yeah, It was like it was.
• 1:13:15
  It was so fast and. Vicious.
• 1:13:16
  But it was almost like once it happened, you're like, did that
• 1:13:19
  really happen? It was it was sort of a really
• 1:13:21
  flash in the palm, which was fantastic.
• 1:13:23
  There's a 2 count on that. Begin stomping on Randy.
• 1:13:28
  He starts dropping loads of elbows on Randy, like really
• 1:13:30
  intensely. So they're fast, but they look
• 1:13:33
  vicious as well. They're quite, quite, quite
• 1:13:35
  stiff. Gets a 2 count.
• 1:13:39
  He then puts Randy in a sleep, a chokehold and he really sort of
• 1:13:41
  grinds them down. He does also talk about like he
• 1:13:44
  flips himself open to a handstand and flips over like a
• 1:13:46
  Figure 8, but he's got it. He's got him in a chalk hold and
• 1:13:49
  like Randy's turned red red eye by the minute and then he takes
• 1:13:54
  back your normal chalk. And before we get to.
• 1:13:58
  Randy's reversal, which is a back.
• 1:13:59
  Suplex to escape. Like I just thought this made
• 1:14:01
  Dolph look like an absolute $1,000,000 and just like a you
• 1:14:04
  look like a submission specialist here.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah. And it's how you kind of.
• 1:14:08
  Showcase what Dolph was all about.
• 1:14:09
  Like you say, it's this kind of headstand so cold, which you
• 1:14:12
  then bridges like you saying like kind of Figure 8, like it's
• 1:14:15
  Figure 4. It's that's that's kind of given
• 1:14:18
  someone their shine, isn't it? Like I say, where if you just
• 1:14:20
  show someone this match, you'd think they were exactly at the
• 1:14:23
  same level, which isn't quite the case kind of as far as kind
• 1:14:26
  of how this perceived behind the scenes at this point.
• 1:14:29
  So now it does. That's kind of really given
• 1:14:30
  Ziglar's moment to show what he's all about and what stands
• 1:14:33
  him out against other guys. You're right.
• 1:14:35
  At this point, Randy Orton's already.
• 1:14:36
  A nine time world champion, he was a glass had none so far.
• 1:14:39
  I don't, I don't think so. There's a big difference there,
• 1:14:41
  but in. This in this ring together.
• 1:14:43
  They're both putting on a show where they both look like
• 1:14:44
  legitimate contenders, gains a glass, sort of.
• 1:14:48
  We know he's got an amateur background and sort of the
• 1:14:51
  submission holds is all amateur as much as fantastic.
• 1:14:53
  But then he adds that pro wrestling shine that only he can
• 1:14:56
  give it to show off. When he's doing the handstand,
• 1:14:58
  he does the flipping to the Figure 8.
• 1:14:59
  It's put that magic on it and I think JBL is actually.
• 1:15:03
  Fucking brilliant on commentary in this match, a kind of, you
• 1:15:06
  know, JBL, someone obviously a massive fan of Orton and you
• 1:15:09
  know, he's the one who coined the term.
• 1:15:10
  If you build a superstar from the ground up, you saw around
• 1:15:13
  the Orton. But like, obviously JBL is a
• 1:15:15
  great job of just saying how good Orton is.
• 1:15:17
  But you've really kind of baked off up as well, obviously saying
• 1:15:19
  that amateur background, you know, JBL kind of gets that in
• 1:15:22
  nothing at this point that, you know, he was undefeated and
• 1:15:24
  stated amateur wrestling. So again, like the commentaries
• 1:15:27
  doing a really good job of kind of making Dolph Ziggler this
• 1:15:31
  kind of threat, or if not a threat, someone who's on the
• 1:15:33
  power of a Randy Orton. No, they certainly are.
• 1:15:37
  As I said, there's a back suplex to escape.
• 1:15:41
  They both run into each other. Ziggler hits a close line.
• 1:15:43
  It's a 2 count, very evenly matched match.
• 1:15:47
  Ziggler goes back to the sleep at Chalk.
• 1:15:51
  Vanny escapes his head butts and fists by Orton.
• 1:15:54
  Randy hits him with the drop kick, which does look awesome.
• 1:15:59
  Ziggler hits Randy with the DDP gets.
• 1:16:01
  A2 count. Ziggler goes up top but he's
• 1:16:03
  knocked off by Orton. Orton hits the Super plaques to
• 1:16:05
  get the 2 count. It's overcuts by Orton.
• 1:16:07
  It's a back and forth again. So physical.
• 1:16:10
  It's a striking brawl. Yeah, just everything.
• 1:16:16
  Just looks so stiff and real. And energetic Ziggler comes off.
• 1:16:21
  The ropes and hits a famous like.
• 1:16:22
  Gets a 2 count. Ziglar escapes the draping.
• 1:16:27
  So, Randy? Goes to give Ziglar the draping
• 1:16:28
  DVD off the ropes. Ziglar escapes, slips out the
• 1:16:31
  ring and he pulls Randy out the ring.
• 1:16:33
  But then Randy retaliates. He throws Ziglar into the
• 1:16:36
  barrier and it's like vicious and like it's a great hit.
• 1:16:41
  He then hits Randy then hits Ziglar with the draping DDT off
• 1:16:45
  the barrier onto sort of onto the outside the ring, which I
• 1:16:48
  thought was a fantastic spot. Gets him back in the ring.
• 1:16:53
  Ziggler only. Escapes with the rope.
• 1:16:54
  Breaks or game perfect storytelling.
• 1:16:56
  You know he's hit the draping DDT on him outside the ring, but
• 1:16:59
  it's going to hurt even more. Gets him in the ring and Ziggler
• 1:17:01
  just gets the foot on the rope is how he escapes, which was
• 1:17:03
  awesome. Ronnie then starts to hit.
• 1:17:05
  He starts to coil the Viper coils ready for the RKO.
• 1:17:08
  Ziggler escapes your cure. He rolls him up, rolls him up
• 1:17:11
  for a 2 count, gets put in a sleeper hold.
• 1:17:15
  He escapes and then sort of Ziggler comes flying into Orton
• 1:17:21
  and he's sort of jumping at him. And then Orton also like pops
• 1:17:23
  him up a bit, hits him with the Ochio and Norway gets the three
• 1:17:27
  count. Randy wins, but Ronnie's also.
• 1:17:31
  He's celebrating the win, but he's also selling just how much
• 1:17:33
  the fights take out of him. And I thought it was a fantastic
• 1:17:35
  match, showing two guys who just no.
• 1:17:40
  Professional wrestling. Fantastic wrestlers and again, I
• 1:17:42
  think this point in the card, you know, it's the longest match
• 1:17:45
  so far in the card, the only match that goes as long as the
• 1:17:47
  main event between Senior and Punk.
• 1:17:49
  Think this is the perfect ending of the show before you have the
• 1:17:51
  Divas come on now before you go and do sort of your heavyweight
• 1:17:53
  championship main events in 18 minutes.
• 1:17:56
  I think they tell an awesome story.
• 1:17:59
  I think, you know, not only was it like the storytelling, so you
• 1:18:09
  know, those that got lost, you know, I feel the match very much
• 1:18:11
  proved that he was a legitimate threat on the world title scene,
• 1:18:15
  allowed on the showcase his ability to work the top tier
• 1:18:17
  talent. I think it also followed the.
• 1:18:20
  Story and that way I think this was was this the rubber match
• 1:18:25
  yeah. So I think Dolph would.
• 1:18:26
  Try to cash in the money in the bank and ordinance stopped them
• 1:18:28
  as well. So that was kind of the story
• 1:18:29
  leading up to it. And yeah, like you say, I mean,
• 1:18:32
  just kind of helping legitimize Dolph so that when he's ready to
• 1:18:34
  cash in, kind of there's no doubt that he's not ready to
• 1:18:37
  have that belt. Obviously, you know, it doesn't
• 1:18:39
  go plan because of concussions and stuff.
• 1:18:41
  But yeah, I mean, that you've said, obviously I hadn't looked
• 1:18:45
  at all the timings of the matches, but the fact that this
• 1:18:47
  was the longest match so far and it was the only match on the
• 1:18:50
  card that wasn't a title match, pay-per-view called Night of
• 1:18:53
  Champions kind of shows you kind of the faith that they hadn't
• 1:18:55
  bought them to go out there and deliver that.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah. And I just think.
• 1:19:01
  We haven't covered Ziglar match yet.
• 1:19:02
  I don't think on on moment in time.
• 1:19:03
  I think Ziglar works in TNA, right?
• 1:19:06
  But I think, I think Ziglar is a fantastic wrestler and I think
• 1:19:10
  yeah, no, he's. He's someone that would probably
• 1:19:13
  showcase more because I think he's definitely someone who
• 1:19:15
  could be a good cursed by the wrestling gods.
• 1:19:18
  Like I said, obviously you've mentioned that concussion there
• 1:19:20
  for a start, but Ziggler, no, I'm glad when he picked it
• 1:19:22
  because I think if I did a top 20 of my favorite wrestlers of
• 1:19:25
  all time, Dolph would easily be in the top 20.
• 1:19:28
  He might even make the top ten. Like I'm a massive, massive
• 1:19:31
  Dolph Ziggler fan. I think he's someone who like
• 1:19:32
  I'm or like he is someone who kind of fully takes some boxes
• 1:19:35
  or cursed by the wrestling gods, where like there's so many
• 1:19:38
  moments the hardware like he was ready to be kind of like that
• 1:19:42
  face of the company if the had of kind of put a little bit more
• 1:19:45
  faith in them. So now I was glad that pick this
• 1:19:46
  match that say I'm a massive Dolph Ziggler fan.
• 1:19:51
  No, absolutely fantastic. I think we're ready.
• 1:19:53
  For did they really say that? Yes, we do, yeah.
• 1:19:56
  So. I've chose that this week, so
• 1:19:57
  this comment comes from MVP. So Montel voter is Porter.
• 1:20:04
  So this was said in the last couple of days, I believe.
• 1:20:06
  So that's I'll read it out to you there.
• 1:20:09
  So he's referring to Triple H here.
• 1:20:11
  So this is MVP comments. He says you can go down the
• 1:20:14
  list. You can think of the talents
• 1:20:15
  that take I worked with that he elevated and got them over.
• 1:20:18
  How many people do you remember the no's getting over?
• 1:20:21
  I mean, Triple H in his career, how many people can you
• 1:20:24
  associate with him? And I'll give you 2.
• 1:20:26
  I'll give you Randy, I'll give you Batista.
• 1:20:28
  Who else can you remember Triple no's getting over a fair
• 1:20:32
  comment? Maybe I.
• 1:20:38
  Think. I think you.
• 1:20:40
  Have to look at if you don't know one moment in time,
• 1:20:43
  possibly like that era, but you forget it's been around for
• 1:20:46
  like, many years, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:50
  So if you look at the retrospect of his full career, then he's.
• 1:20:52
  Incorrect. But I think if you look at the
• 1:20:54
  time when MVP was with the company from his point of view,
• 1:20:58
  maybe he has a point for that very small window of time he was
• 1:21:02
  there. Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  So, yeah, I think, yeah, if you want to look at it like that, I
• 1:21:07
  I guess because obviously there was a period where that you can
• 1:21:10
  make a very, very strong and probably true argument that
• 1:21:12
  Triple H was kind of holding the locker room down.
• 1:21:14
  I think one of the biggest missed opportunity sliding door
• 1:21:17
  moments is kind of Bugatti not beating them for the title at
• 1:21:20
  WrestleMania 19. So there is definitely enough
• 1:21:22
  kind of evidence there to say maybe he's what MVP saying is
• 1:21:26
  true, but I don't think that's the case at all.
• 1:21:29
  I mean, I can give you kind of loads of people like I think
• 1:21:31
  kind of, you know, obviously you mentioned Randy Bautista.
• 1:21:33
  I think you could put kind of you could put Daniel Bryan in
• 1:21:36
  there. It's kind of legitimizing him as
• 1:21:38
  a main event star. I think Seth Rollins you could
• 1:21:40
  put in there. I think you could put Roman
• 1:21:42
  Reigns in there, the kind of title win at WrestleMania, I
• 1:21:45
  think. And this is a funny 1.
• 1:21:46
  Like, you know, I'm sure he would have been fine without
• 1:21:48
  Triple H, but I think you can put Shawn Michaels in there.
• 1:21:51
  And I'll tell you before why? Because when Shawn Michaels, so
• 1:21:55
  when I kind of started watching wrestling every week, like where
• 1:21:57
  like, you know, the proper fandom started, like Shawn was
• 1:22:00
  long gone. So obviously you see clips of
• 1:22:03
  him, he comes back as a special guest referee from time to time.
• 1:22:06
  But like, I don't really know that big body of work.
• 1:22:08
  And you know, it's before the Internet, so it's not easily
• 1:22:10
  accessible. So like when Shawn Michaels came
• 1:22:13
  back, like Triple H kind of got the best out of them and kind of
• 1:22:19
  almost reintroduced show Michaels to a brand new
• 1:22:21
  audience, me included. So like, it might seem like I'm
• 1:22:24
  kind of really just trying to put Triple H over here.
• 1:22:27
  So I'm a big fan of Triple H, I'll not hide that.
• 1:22:28
  But I think you could put they kind of the return and show
• 1:22:31
  Michaels on that list as well. Absolutely.
• 1:22:33
  That's absolutely. Right, I think you know the show
• 1:22:36
  me this comes back the beam Paddy paddies and then which
• 1:22:38
  turns on ambitiously put mixed Michael's the baby face, super
• 1:22:41
  baby face obviously have the unsanctioned match at this
• 1:22:44
  summer slam. I was as far as series which is
• 1:22:47
  Summer Slam which we covered for.
• 1:22:49
  The rear angle match of the week.
• 1:22:51
  That's right, yes, I got the s s on me around.
• 1:22:53
  Time so summer slam, and then it builds.
• 1:22:55
  Eventually the mission chamber. Michael's wins the world title.
• 1:22:59
  The right stage is a hell match Yeah match.
• 1:23:01
  At Mania, you could put them on that list of Triple H getting
• 1:23:04
  over by more wins the big one by taking the belt of Triple H
• 1:23:07
  definitely Ben Moore. I think you can put.
• 1:23:13
  Not Mick 40, but I think Cactus. Jack to the WWE Universe is
• 1:23:19
  because. Of how an ultimate wins.
• 1:23:20
  Those matches. But remember, wrestling is
• 1:23:22
  always about who wins, right? So I think you know the Fiat.
• 1:23:25
  He has these fears when Cactus comes and how seriously takes
• 1:23:27
  Cactus in the fear he shows and how serious he takes careless
• 1:23:31
  Jack really did make you believe that like all like this isn't
• 1:23:34
  mankind. Like this is a vicious catalyst.
• 1:23:36
  Jack No 100. Percent, yeah, so like I think.
• 1:23:40
  And I think what about pit is a comment as well, Because I think
• 1:23:42
  like, yeah, I think, I think it's something that it's very
• 1:23:45
  kind of polar. It's a polarizing comment in the
• 1:23:46
  way that like people, I think it'll divide people where people
• 1:23:49
  go. Yeah, he's absolutely right.
• 1:23:50
  I hate Triple H. He buried everyone.
• 1:23:52
  But then you'll have people like kind of myself who's a fan of
• 1:23:54
  Triple H and kind of poor calls in that argument.
• 1:23:58
  But then I also picked it as well because like, I just think
• 1:24:02
  this somebody. In backstage.
• 1:24:04
  AW, like needs to tell people to stop talking about like the
• 1:24:07
  company used to work four years ago.
• 1:24:09
  I think it devalues AW when they do it.
• 1:24:12
  I was he ricocheted a massive 1 of guilty of that, but like
• 1:24:14
  there's lots of them do it. Yeah, I mean, it's like this me
• 1:24:16
  like. You know, like if I sort of talk
• 1:24:21
  about me X. Like my wife would be like what?
• 1:24:24
  Like why? Turn out for like it's not
• 1:24:26
  better now, it is better now. So why am I doing it?
• 1:24:28
  Like simply do you know, I mean, I think about the thing that
• 1:24:32
  you're doing. Now to get.
• 1:24:33
  People to know about it rather than talking about the past.
• 1:24:37
  Yes, like me and you work at the cinema.
• 1:24:38
  Together. But me and you slagging off
• 1:24:40
  Peter Dale still. So I mean, yeah, that's a long
• 1:24:43
  time. A long.
• 1:24:44
  Time ago. Move on.
• 1:24:45
  And we, we just wish you well, don't we?
• 1:24:48
  We do. Yeah, I was.
• 1:24:49
  Like don't we face not the best comparison, but it's just
• 1:24:51
  because, you know, it's a job of both worked out a long time ago,
• 1:24:53
  but I've that's probably the first time I've mentioned his
• 1:24:55
  name in years. And then I say I don't buy the
• 1:24:58
  man, but so baby, it's not a good example to use, but I like
• 1:25:01
  it's just it's just stop mentioning like it do always
• 1:25:04
  reminds me of no extras with Ricky Gervais, the episode with
• 1:25:09
  Orlando Bloom where he keeps talk about Johnny Depp and then
• 1:25:12
  they go, why talk about Johnny Jeff?
• 1:25:13
  I'm not. That's what loads of them are
• 1:25:15
  like. It's like, just fucking move on.
• 1:25:17
  Yeah, definitely. Why so Johnny Depp phone?
• 1:25:20
  I'm not. That's what it's like.
• 1:25:21
  That's it. Always reminds us of that, no?
• 1:25:24
  So yeah, I just thought it was an interesting.
• 1:25:26
  Comment because I say. I don't agree with it, but I
• 1:25:28
  think it's a good comment because I think it's a lot of
• 1:25:30
  people will agree with it, but then also just brings up that
• 1:25:32
  thing of like the just just stop mentioning it like there is a
• 1:25:35
  lot of good stuff good on AW, just focus on that.
• 1:25:38
  And I think when I said what I. Meant was.
• 1:25:42
  I can see why he's. Thinking that about that time
• 1:25:45
  frame and what he was doing there as well at the same time.
• 1:25:47
  So when you look at from his point of view in that moment, I
• 1:25:50
  can see why he would think that. But as I said, look at tribute
• 1:25:53
  his career, it's absolutely not the case.
• 1:25:56
  And also as well like. You know, he'll probably argue
• 1:25:58
  that he was never given the opportunity to, but you name me
• 1:26:00
  someone MVPS got over. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah. I mean.
• 1:26:05
  Sheldon and Bobby got themselves.
• 1:26:07
  About first, right? Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  I mean, I think I think. The her business.
• 1:26:11
  Like, look, I think Bobby looked the best when he was with MVP,
• 1:26:14
  to be fair. So he could maybe make an
• 1:26:16
  argument that he's got Bobby Lashley over.
• 1:26:18
  But yeah, Bobby had a long career before that.
• 1:26:20
  And yeah, so let's say, I mean, how many people you've got over
• 1:26:23
  MVP? Exactly.
• 1:26:26
  Yeah. So yeah, that's why.
• 1:26:27
  That's why I thought was an interesting 1.
• 1:26:30
  You should be. Talking about how the fantastic.
• 1:26:31
  Talent on on on their roster, right?
• 1:26:33
  Oh 100% yeah, I put them. Over you could you know, you're
• 1:26:37
  in a position now is the kind of an elder statesman of the the
• 1:26:40
  locker room for them. You know, put them over.
• 1:26:42
  Stop talking about triple H&W. It's done.
• 1:26:45
  Yeah, if you want if you want a. Podcast or a show somewhere and
• 1:26:47
  you've got minutes. Use it to showcase AW and if
• 1:26:51
  someone. Asks you directly about Triple H
• 1:26:53
  Fair enough. But yeah, I think from the
• 1:26:56
  context of that, I don't really think Triple H should be
• 1:26:58
  mentioned. No, indeed.
• 1:27:02
  So I think that. Kind of wraps up did.
• 1:27:04
  Did did they really say that this week?
• 1:27:06
  Which then leads us on to our second last segment.
• 1:27:10
  Yes, we're going the right order there.
• 1:27:11
  Second last? Yes.
• 1:27:12
  Cursed by the wrestling? Gods, and I'll pick this one.
• 1:27:15
  This. Week.
• 1:27:16
  So it's this one's a pretty much a kind of it's better to kind of
• 1:27:20
  burnout than to fade away really.
• 1:27:21
  But I've gone a bit more old school with this one and I've
• 1:27:24
  gone for a female wrestler because we've not done that one.
• 1:27:26
  But yet we've not included any ladies in here.
• 1:27:29
  So I've gone for Wendy Richter so kind of straight off the back
• 1:27:32
  kind of what's what's your kind of I mean, she she wrestled
• 1:27:36
  before we were born really a pompous talking about kind of an
• 1:27:38
  in and out kind of job, but kind of what's when I say Wendy
• 1:27:42
  Richter, what comes to your mind?
• 1:27:43
  Two people come to mind. What do you?
• 1:27:45
  Pay off for some reason, and of course, absolutely.
• 1:27:50
  Forgot her name now. The the pop star who was
• 1:27:52
  interviewed? Cindy Loba.
• 1:27:53
  Cindy Loba? Yeah, that's the one, yes.
• 1:27:55
  So 2 you'd be absolutely. Right for having them to come to
• 1:27:57
  mind. So yeah.
• 1:27:58
  So I'll jump straight in. So obviously when you're right
• 1:28:00
  there, she was trained, and this is quite an important one to her
• 1:28:02
  story was trained a Fabulous Mullahs Lillian Ellison School
• 1:28:05
  of Professional Wrestling. She made a pro debut in 1979,
• 1:28:09
  had early matches with her kind of mentor, Fabulous Mullahs.
• 1:28:13
  She tagged with her. She was then paired with another
• 1:28:16
  female wrestler called Joyce Grab, who she actually helped
• 1:28:19
  train and they were known as the Texas Cowgirls. 82 They spend a
• 1:28:23
  bit of time in Stampede wrestling.
• 1:28:26
  They're also down in Mid South as well.
• 1:28:27
  She's good friends with Jim Cornett, who makes her an
• 1:28:29
  honorary member of the Midnight Express.
• 1:28:32
  Her and Joyce win the N.W.A Women's World Tag Team
• 1:28:36
  Championships. Then 83.
• 1:28:38
  So kind of only four years on from her pro debut, she signs
• 1:28:41
  with the WWE. So she's signed by them late. 83
• 1:28:45
  And what's about to kind of happen next in the WWE is the
• 1:28:48
  kind of rock and wrestling connection.
• 1:28:50
  So this is kind of a massive marketing partnership with MTV
• 1:28:54
  where Vince brings in Cyndi Lauper as Captain Lou Obano has
• 1:28:58
  been in the one of our music videos, met her on a plane, said
• 1:29:00
  she'd be interested in coming in.
• 1:29:02
  So Lopa's brought in for this kind of MTV connection.
• 1:29:05
  Captain Lou's part of the story. So Captain Lou kind of
• 1:29:07
  champions, Fabulous Moolah who is the women's champion and
• 1:29:12
  Cyndi Lauper is in the corner of Richter.
• 1:29:15
  So they have this big pay-per-view which I've never
• 1:29:17
  really heard of. Obviously I knew about The Rock
• 1:29:19
  rest of Connection, but so they have a pay-per-view called MTV's
• 1:29:22
  The Brawl to End it all. Do you have much knowledge on
• 1:29:25
  that pay-per-view? None so.
• 1:29:28
  In at that. Pay-per-view the woman's match
• 1:29:30
  because obviously Lopez involved headlines, so this is a card.
• 1:29:34
  It's time. Ahead of it also it does it the.
• 1:29:37
  Headlines A card that's got Hogan versus Greg Valentine for
• 1:29:40
  the world title, Bob Orton and Tito Santana for the IC title,
• 1:29:44
  but it's the women's match. The headlines.
• 1:29:47
  Like I say, this is in 84, and at that moment in time, it's the
• 1:29:51
  highest viewed thing that's ever been on MTV.
• 1:29:57
  So everyone always kind of, I know obviously when you.
• 1:29:59
  Realize talk about a lot. Obviously it always talks about
• 1:30:00
  kind of which because it is true, but like Trish and lead
• 1:30:03
  our main event in the first row, which is definitely true.
• 1:30:06
  But you had when you ripped that doing it back in 1984 on MTV's
• 1:30:09
  most watched product of the time.
• 1:30:11
  So yeah. So she beats Moolah for the
• 1:30:14
  women's championship. She then has it for a little
• 1:30:16
  while. She drops it to mullahs protege
• 1:30:23
  Lilani Kai at the war to settle the score.
• 1:30:26
  So you've had the broader end it all.
• 1:30:28
  You've now got the war to settle the score.
• 1:30:29
  She then wins it back a month later at the first ever
• 1:30:33
  WrestleMania. So this is a woman who's
• 1:30:35
  competed at the first hour WrestleMania and won the title
• 1:30:38
  on it. She's also kind of during this
• 1:30:40
  time as well. She's kind of animated for
• 1:30:43
  Hogan's cartoon show, which was the kind of rock and wrestling
• 1:30:46
  show as well. She appears in one of Cyndi
• 1:30:48
  Lauper's videos. I think it's for she bop the
• 1:30:50
  song. And then this is where kind of
• 1:30:53
  things start to come off the rail.
• 1:30:54
  So let's say we'll take you to November 1985 now.
• 1:30:58
  So this is known as the original screw job.
• 1:31:00
  Do you know much about that? I don't so.
• 1:31:03
  Cyndi Lauper is the. Champion Vince is terrified that
• 1:31:07
  she's not going to sign a new contract.
• 1:31:09
  So she just going out there MSG in a non kind of televised match
• 1:31:15
  to wrestle kind of what she's told is kind of a local jobber
• 1:31:18
  in a mask called the Black Spider.
• 1:31:21
  What she doesn't know is that under the mask it's the Fabulous
• 1:31:23
  Moolah. Pretty early on into the match
• 1:31:26
  there's a roll up and even though Richter kicks out the
• 1:31:29
  ref, fast counts of three and she is screwed out the title
• 1:31:33
  legitimately. She didn't realize it was
• 1:31:37
  moolah. Tulia.
• 1:31:39
  So I've watched an interview with her Quite.
• 1:31:40
  Recently and she said she knew after a couple of minutes that
• 1:31:44
  it was moolah but didn't know what was coming.
• 1:31:46
  Like completely didn't have a clue.
• 1:31:48
  So like I say, kind of the story on it is is that Vincent said
• 1:31:51
  that she'd refused to sign a new contract.
• 1:31:53
  Rick massively disputes this as she says she was still under A5
• 1:31:56
  year deal. So there was absolutely no need
• 1:31:58
  for her to sign a new contract. So obviously she's been screwed
• 1:32:02
  out the belt legit. She kind of leaves MSG in a gear
• 1:32:06
  and that's her gone from WWE like never competes in another
• 1:32:10
  match in WWE again. So this is someone who in the
• 1:32:12
  space of a year is gone from kind of main event in a
• 1:32:16
  pay-per-view that's backed by MTV.
• 1:32:19
  She's in cartoons, she's in music videos.
• 1:32:20
  She's winning titles at the first ever WrestleMania to be in
• 1:32:24
  legitimately screwed out of the women's championship in MSJI
• 1:32:28
  mean what what what do you think about that?
• 1:32:30
  This is obviously what he's saying that you hadn't fully
• 1:32:32
  heard of the original screw job before.
• 1:32:34
  What do you how do you think there?
• 1:32:35
  What do you think the proves he's got history?
• 1:32:38
  Doesn't he have causing chaos for people from his company?
• 1:32:44
  I wonder why? I don't know why it happened if
• 1:32:48
  she was saying she was. In a contract, you obviously
• 1:32:50
  want rid of that one way or another, right?
• 1:32:52
  Yeah, it's so. And I think I think it maybe it
• 1:32:55
  doesn't get taught about more because it was like women and it
• 1:32:58
  was at the time. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:32:59
  Because you'd think that like, you know, all the documentaries
• 1:33:02
  and all the shoot interviews and all the opinions people have got
• 1:33:04
  on the Montreal screw job, you'd feel like it would be referenced
• 1:33:08
  more like, like you've. Said like you know Vince did.
• 1:33:11
  Have history of this go back to 84 with Wendy Ricked up but like
• 1:33:14
  I don't think I've ever seen anything on the Montreal screw
• 1:33:17
  job where this is referenced at all of love you I have not I
• 1:33:21
  also. Think like when you Rick, that
• 1:33:24
  was like scrubbed from like or mentioned for quite a long time,
• 1:33:27
  wasn't she to like recently? Well, yeah, so that's what we're
• 1:33:30
  going to next. So.
• 1:33:30
  Obviously that's say she leaves kind of 85.
• 1:33:33
  So she then wrestles a little bit in Puerto Rico, 87, she's in
• 1:33:37
  AWA where she does beat a kind of open coming Medusa for the
• 1:33:40
  title. And then after 87 does next and
• 1:33:44
  often barely ever wrestles in the 90s.
• 1:33:46
  So that's my that isn't it, because I feel like if nothing
• 1:33:50
  else, because of our history with WEWCW would have brought
• 1:33:54
  her in at some point just to air that dirty laundry because do
• 1:33:57
  you know what I mean? Do you think that's something
• 1:33:58
  that they've maybe reached out and just said no?
• 1:34:00
  Do you think she was just massively disheartened?
• 1:34:02
  You like, how surprised are you that like she never kind of
• 1:34:06
  wrestles really in the 90s nineties is the boom period.
• 1:34:09
  That's. Where she definitely get offers
• 1:34:10
  and make money right if it's on the Indies.
• 1:34:12
  But yeah, WCW. That'll be a question to ask
• 1:34:15
  Bishop if we ever if Bishop ever doesn't allow talking to her,
• 1:34:19
  it'll be a question to ask for me or like Wendy Rick that did
• 1:34:21
  he ever think about it was any discussions then he might tell
• 1:34:24
  you why if they didn't like why they didn't want to or if they
• 1:34:28
  didn't it didn't happen why as well.
• 1:34:31
  But yeah, I just think it's see, I feels.
• 1:34:32
  Like the way WCW are hiring talent that would have been a no
• 1:34:35
  brainer even if she was only used for two weeks just to be
• 1:34:38
  like Oh yeah Vince is a Dick he screwed us out the title now.
• 1:34:41
  I mean do you know what I mean? It just seems like a real
• 1:34:43
  opportunity WCW would have happily fucking signed her up
• 1:34:46
  for to a fucking $20 million contract or something.
• 1:34:49
  So yes, that's it. Then the next part of match
• 1:34:50
  isn't until about 2005 wrestle reunion show and then she
• 1:34:54
  retires. So then the next kind of stepped
• 1:34:56
  down the line is in 2010, she is inducted at the Hall of Fame.
• 1:35:00
  So this is when kind of references direct as made again
• 1:35:03
  and she is inducted by Rory, Rory Piper, who kind of really
• 1:35:06
  bigs her up in the induction. I've watched this the other day
• 1:35:09
  and he kind of says like the Rock and wrestling connection,
• 1:35:12
  people don't realize how big that was for the industry for
• 1:35:14
  getting eyes on the product, the connection, MTV making it
• 1:35:17
  relevant to a certain kind of audience that maybe weren't
• 1:35:19
  watching. And that wouldn't have had the
• 1:35:21
  success if it wasn't for Wendy Ricked, his connection and kind
• 1:35:24
  of relationship with Cyndi Lauber.
• 1:35:27
  So kind of she does get her flowers eventually, but after a
• 1:35:31
  long, long old hiatus. And then that really she becomes
• 1:35:34
  a real estate agent and she's now currently working as an
• 1:35:36
  occupational therapist. That's that's kind of it.
• 1:35:40
  It's while I was seen there so. She was on a cover of Pro
• 1:35:43
  Wrestling Illustrated in 1986 and the the headline was, is
• 1:35:46
  Wendy Rick that more popular than Hulk Hogan?
• 1:35:49
  No, that's what I mean, I think. Because of the MTV thing, and
• 1:35:51
  this is what Piper kind of not alludes to says in the Hall of
• 1:35:55
  Fame induction ceremony. Like I think people don't quite
• 1:35:57
  understand like how big she was. And really looking at it was
• 1:36:01
  like an 18 month period. Do you think this hasn't been?
• 1:36:05
  Discussed because like. Something happened between Vince
• 1:36:07
  and her. I don't.
• 1:36:09
  Know it's a funny 1. Though isn't it like, it's,
• 1:36:12
  that's what I mean, but why, why I kind of because I've
• 1:36:15
  obviously, you know, we'll do a research on these and we've got,
• 1:36:17
  you know, ones that we want to do and stuff.
• 1:36:18
  And this was one where I just thought there's a lot of mystery
• 1:36:21
  to it. I think it was like.
• 1:36:24
  Like so. Obviously, like I say, you know,
• 1:36:25
  I'll watch interviews, I'll, you know, use Wikipedia.
• 1:36:27
  But if you go to Wikipedia, let me just says barely wrestled in
• 1:36:30
  the 90s, which as we've said, is like a boom period.
• 1:36:33
  Like was there some kind of NDA signed?
• 1:36:36
  Was there some kind of non compete that fucking do you know
• 1:36:39
  what I mean? I just feel like there's loads
• 1:36:40
  of mystery as to like why someone who was so big never got
• 1:36:44
  brought in anywhere, especially in this industry where people
• 1:36:47
  love. Talking so even if she hasn't
• 1:36:49
  talked like somebody who knows something would have spoke to
• 1:36:51
  someone and it'll be in a dirt sheet.
• 1:36:53
  I'll be, you know, in in a podcast on a shoot interview
• 1:36:56
  will be some X people love talking, even if it's like even
• 1:37:00
  if they've sprinkled some lies on it.
• 1:37:01
  But like the fact that there's nothing like there's not even
• 1:37:04
  there's not even any lies at all.
• 1:37:05
  And she is someone who's talked a.
• 1:37:07
  Lot as in like she asked, you know, fucking hates moolah and
• 1:37:10
  like you know it that that's a fucking whole other conversation
• 1:37:13
  as to why moolah is essentially fucking cancelled.
• 1:37:15
  But like, you know, she's done a lot of interviews about Moolah
• 1:37:18
  and how bad of a person she is, but they're never kind of really
• 1:37:21
  talks much about why she never kind of kept going or anything
• 1:37:26
  like that. So yeah, it's not that she's not
• 1:37:28
  being interviewed. It's just never really seems to
• 1:37:30
  get brought up. We'll have.
• 1:37:32
  To do some digging on that, see if if we.
• 1:37:34
  Do meet anybody who was around in the euro.
• 1:37:36
  If we get any Q&A's, we have to ask.
• 1:37:40
  Yeah, definitely. So, so yeah.
• 1:37:41
  So that was a cool little one to do.
• 1:37:43
  First female in worker in our curse by the Wrestling Gods.
• 1:37:46
  And yeah, I just thought, yeah, was a good one because I say
• 1:37:49
  obviously you know about the Rock and wrestling connection
• 1:37:51
  because of kind of Cyndy Law Baron Hogan's cartoon.
• 1:37:54
  But yeah, like, you know, she was front and four of that
• 1:37:58
  definitely it's a two time. WWF Women's champion under the
• 1:38:02
  WE Hall of Fame class of 2010. So, you know, did get our
• 1:38:06
  flowers in the end. But yeah, I just think like she
• 1:38:09
  vanishes off the face of wrestling and what in just
• 1:38:11
  before the 90s, like she probably could have had about 10
• 1:38:15
  years wrestling. Some like the future.
• 1:38:17
  Great, right? No, 100% and obviously.
• 1:38:20
  You know, there'll be this strong arguments to say that
• 1:38:21
  that women's division wasn't that great, but like there's
• 1:38:24
  plenty of people like, you know, you would have got in there
• 1:38:26
  with, you know what I mean? And it's just, yes, expression
• 1:38:29
  because I've watched, I don't know if it was just a bit of
• 1:38:32
  like that the women's wrestling changed so much where it became
• 1:38:35
  too much like Divas because I've watched a few of our clips and I
• 1:38:39
  watched the full WrestleMania match with her and like, it was
• 1:38:41
  actually quite hard hitting stuff.
• 1:38:43
  Like it was nothing like the women's matches you would have
• 1:38:45
  seen in the 90s. So yeah, maybe it was she was
• 1:38:47
  just kind of a woman out of time because of how the industry
• 1:38:51
  industry kind of started to portray a woman kind of
• 1:38:53
  negatively really. But yeah, it's an interesting
• 1:38:56
  one because like I say, it's one of the kind of, you know, he can
• 1:38:59
  make a strong argument even though it was an 18 month period
• 1:39:01
  to say she's kind of one of the most important women in the
• 1:39:03
  history of the women's division. Yes.
• 1:39:06
  Was indeed, I think definitely. Right.
• 1:39:08
  Cursed by the wrestling gods because of how our career sort
• 1:39:11
  of company would end and you know, the late 80s, nineteen 87,
• 1:39:14
  so to speak, because I think for whatever reason.
• 1:39:19
  Why she vanished from. The rest of the world she was
• 1:39:23
  probably still at a good age and in good condition to sort of put
• 1:39:25
  on matches with with a wide variety of different awesome
• 1:39:29
  women you know China Trish leader Ivory Jacqueline like all
• 1:39:35
  these people say 87, says she. Goes another 10 years over 97
• 1:39:39
  yeah yeah you're going to be in there with China you're going to
• 1:39:41
  be in there with Jacqueline Ivory you know Molly Holly
• 1:39:43
  potential a little bit later as you know you know if you take
• 1:39:46
  out another 12 years you've got Trish and leader then so like
• 1:39:49
  and as we've kind of seen from doing moments in time 12 years
• 1:39:52
  sometimes hasn't actually that a lot in wrestling just plenty of
• 1:39:55
  like look at the night of champions card from 2012 which
• 1:39:58
  is did you what you got is that right I was on it miss was on it
• 1:40:01
  Rhodes Ray Brian. Truth Kingston Cesaro Ziegler
• 1:40:07
  Orton pumpkin, said Cena also going and that was what was
• 1:40:11
  that, 2012? So that was 14 years ago.
• 1:40:14
  Yeah, so. Yeah, if you know, put 14.
• 1:40:16
  Years on 87. You're into the fucking invasion
• 1:40:18
  territory then? Yep.
• 1:40:21
  So yeah, cursed by the wrestling gods.
• 1:40:23
  Wendy, But boy, did you shine bright when the spotlight was on
• 1:40:26
  you in the I would love to. Ask Bishop like.
• 1:40:29
  Why she wasn't considered? Or was she concerned she just
• 1:40:32
  didn't want to do it? Maybe.
• 1:40:33
  I don't know. Yeah, I think.
• 1:40:36
  Like I say, I like it because it was mystery.
• 1:40:37
  I think she might just think I'll fuck this.
• 1:40:39
  I think that's the boring answer.
• 1:40:41
  I think that might be more the truth, yeah.
• 1:40:44
  But it's not worth it. But yeah.
• 1:40:46
  Interesting, I say when you I would I would like a definitive
• 1:40:48
  answer. Do you think if anyone?
• 1:40:50
  If anyone will listen as no. Do get in touch and let us know
• 1:40:53
  why. If Wendy Wick has got any
• 1:40:55
  comments out, there's why. Like literally in the 90's, the
• 1:40:57
  boom period, she just did nothing.
• 1:40:58
  Do you think it was? Arguments over pay within some
• 1:41:02
  man. But even that's conflicting
• 1:41:06
  because. Apparently was worried she
• 1:41:08
  wasn't going to sign a new contract, which you know rings
• 1:41:10
  true of like the Brett situation where like no, obviously it's
• 1:41:14
  not because Brett had been given the deal them and bat on it, but
• 1:41:16
  you knew Brett was leaving. So like if she had like 3 weeks
• 1:41:18
  left on our contract, you get it.
• 1:41:20
  But then she's come out when that's absolutely not true.
• 1:41:22
  I was still in a five year deal So yeah, like even that's
• 1:41:24
  conflicting. So like if she did have say 3
• 1:41:27
  weeks left on it, you could maybe go, well, I can kind of
• 1:41:29
  see why, but she's saying that wasn't true so and there's no
• 1:41:34
  kind. Of fallout from.
• 1:41:35
  That of like, so if if that was true, let's say she had three
• 1:41:38
  years of a five year deal left on, surely Vince would have made
• 1:41:42
  her work for that or kind of took out a court, you know what
• 1:41:45
  I mean? So yeah, who knows?
• 1:41:49
  Hopefully that will become. Knowledgeable in the coming
• 1:41:52
  years, which? Kind of more or less takes.
• 1:41:56
  Us to the end of today's show, doesn't it?
• 1:41:59
  Yes, with our final segment, which is the pro.
• 1:42:00
  Wrestling feel good factor of the week and have you gone for?
• 1:42:04
  This or I've done. This, but who's doing what?
• 1:42:07
  Well, I've got one if you've. Got one.
• 1:42:08
  We'll just do a couple. No, we'll go for yours.
• 1:42:11
  I'll. Keep my own next week.
• 1:42:12
  So I feel like the one I've got is just going to keep on
• 1:42:14
  rolling, so go for it. So mine's not so much a fact,
• 1:42:17
  it's more of a. Feeling I just think I just want
• 1:42:20
  to highlight here the support we get on the pod.
• 1:42:22
  Thank you much, everybody who listens, who shares who
• 1:42:27
  comments, who's after reviews and obviously we did do we did
• 1:42:32
  the special episode when we went to the North Wrestling NCL Cup.
• 1:42:37
  You know, that was a change of planning or the podcast episode
• 1:42:40
  wasn't a normal format. But some of the comments from
• 1:42:43
  different people saying, you know, they really enjoyed it and
• 1:42:46
  the fact that they want to watch more local wrestling because of
• 1:42:49
  how we made it sound fun, you know, that made us feel really
• 1:42:52
  proud. So you know, that made me feel
• 1:42:54
  good and I think made you feel good as well, Luke.
• 1:42:56
  So just want to hire people listening like thank you very
• 1:42:58
  much. And you know, there's wrestling
• 1:42:59
  out there, so go and enjoy it if you can.
• 1:43:02
  And it's at a variety of prices. You know that we've said before
• 1:43:04
  the WE when it comes to town can be very expensive, but these
• 1:43:07
  local shows, you know, with NCL Cup, reasonably priced and
• 1:43:12
  fantastic level of entertainment and pro wrestling, no one. 100%
• 1:43:17
  I kind of said that. At the start didn't know that I
• 1:43:19
  feel like that last show we did for the local state, the
• 1:43:22
  independence stuff that I feel kind of really proud of and
• 1:43:24
  yeah, I might even just shout us to foul because obviously we've
• 1:43:26
  got the next North Shore, the 20th, but main event wrestling
• 1:43:30
  as well have got a big show in long Benton on Friday the 26th
• 1:43:34
  of June. I want to get that in there
• 1:43:35
  offering big Tim strangers on that one as well.
• 1:43:38
  So again, like there's you know it's not just north or PX
• 1:43:40
  obviously we're NE space so we're going to have more of a
• 1:43:42
  kind of info on that. But yeah, so you know, in June
• 1:43:45
  alone, you, you've got kind of, you can go to two local shows in
• 1:43:49
  the space of one weekend. You've got there N on the 20th,
• 1:43:52
  Long Bend and Main Event Wrestling on the 26th, which is
• 1:43:55
  the Friday. So you can see 2 local
• 1:43:57
  independent shows in the space of six days.
• 1:44:00
  And looking at both those cards, you're not going to have a bad
• 1:44:03
  time. Absolutely.
• 1:44:05
  Not. I'm very tempted to maybe.
• 1:44:06
  Get involved in those two shows. Are you?
• 1:44:08
  Yeah, I think I'm definitely, definitely.
• 1:44:10
  Do N we'll have a discussion off my about sorting them tickets
• 1:44:12
  tonight maybe. But yeah, no, I'll definitely be
• 1:44:14
  at North and then Friday. Sometimes a childcare might be a
• 1:44:17
  bit tricky for me, but yeah, I'll try and make that work as
• 1:44:19
  well. Absolutely.
• 1:44:22
  That brings an end. To our show, any last wrestling
• 1:44:24
  thoughts that you get off your chest?
• 1:44:27
  No, I say. About two shows.
• 1:44:28
  This week, just again, I kind of latching on what you said, the
• 1:44:32
  support and stuff like everyone that's enjoying it keep kind of
• 1:44:34
  spreading the word, getting in touch because like I say,
• 1:44:36
  obviously we've had the bonus North Shore, but we'll have like
• 1:44:39
  a kind of interview series starting very soon.
• 1:44:42
  Kind of obviously, like I say you, we've got stuff lined up.
• 1:44:44
  I've got the comedian and former wrestler Lee Kyle, which we'll
• 1:44:48
  be recording really soon. And also from North Wrestling
• 1:44:51
  this week, I've got bruiser Brad, who said he will to go on
• 1:44:56
  and do an interview for us. So we've got things in the
• 1:44:58
  pipeline. So just keep supporting it
• 1:44:59
  because we love doing it. And I think as you said, is a
• 1:45:02
  feeling. I've got good feelings about
• 1:45:03
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• 1:45:06
  Guys, come along for the ride again.
• 1:45:08
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• 1:45:57
  But with that, Luke, I think it's time to bid everybody a
• 1:46:00
  farewell and sort of just tell them, guess what?
• 1:46:05
  It's still real. The worst.
• 1:46:06
  Damn it, damn it.