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Monday September 14 2026 | AI panic; Online Bottom-Feeders · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: Hot topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is M & M Extra.
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Speaker 2: That it is on this Monday, the 14th day of September.
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Speaker 2: to a hot start.
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Speaker 3: Can I start on a personal just emotion that I'm
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Speaker 3: feeling today? Over the years, I used to look forward
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Speaker 3: to 735 on your station in Dallas as the highlight
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Speaker 3: of my day. 735 was just when I got energized.
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Speaker 3: I got a burst of adrenaline. You and I, you
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Speaker 3: did something that for people who are new to the podcast.
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Speaker 3: Mark does a legendary morning show on 660 AM The
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Speaker 3: Answer in Dallas that I take over after him in
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Speaker 3: Dallas and around the country on the Mike Gallagher show.
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Speaker 3: So we both do talk shows. And years ago, Mark
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Speaker 3: invited me to join him to give a preview of
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Speaker 3: my show ostensibly. Well, it turned into something different. And
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Speaker 3: it became this just beloved feature and a really important
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Speaker 3: part of our day. So I used to love, and
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Speaker 3: we called it, we would always affectionately call it 735.
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Speaker 3: Wait till 735. 735. Okay, 735. Because it always starts
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Speaker 3: at 735 Dallas time on Mark's show. Can I tell
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Speaker 3: you that the podcast has now replaced 735 as my
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Speaker 3: most favorite part of the day?
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Speaker 2: Our radio segment is now just dwindled to a meaningless
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Speaker 2: hiccup in your day compared to the adrenaline burst of this.
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Speaker 3: Relegated. Relegated to the dustbin of history.
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Speaker 2: I got your 735 right here.
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Speaker 1: Whatever.
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Speaker 3: So thank you. I hope you had a good week.
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Speaker 3: I know you were all about football. Do you realize
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Speaker 3: you've done the Cowboys speech about 30 times in my mind?
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Speaker 3: I've heard you say how, well, I know they could
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Speaker 3: be good. I know that maybe they can win all
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Speaker 3: the rest of their games. what's going on with the
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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys all.
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Speaker 2: I know for one week they just they weren't ready
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Speaker 2: for the Giants not ready for the Giants how many
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Speaker 2: months have you had to be ready for week number
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Speaker 2: one and like a big stupid sucker I got bought
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Speaker 2: in because I like I like Coach Schottenheimer and I
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Speaker 2: like the idea of a new defensive coordinator please and
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Speaker 2: and we're at the Giants it's like the first two
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Speaker 2: games are against the Giants and the Redskins who I'll
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Speaker 2: never call by another name Two teams that are not
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Speaker 2: that great. So it looked like things could get started well.
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Speaker 2: And then they roll out this turd at MetLife Stadium
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Speaker 2: last night. And just awful. But I will tell you,
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Speaker 2: before the horrible game, they did a 9-11 tribute and
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Speaker 2: a thing with the combination fire department and police department
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Speaker 2: quintet singing the national anthem. It was just an absolutely beautiful,
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Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And I've just had New York on my
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Speaker 2: mind a lot. 9-11, maybe it's just the big round
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Speaker 2: number of the 25th anniversary. It has really stuck with me.
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Speaker 2: Last week has stuck with me. The GOP convention, that
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Speaker 2: midterm thing that I didn't know how that was going
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Speaker 2: to go. Not only did it go great, but it
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Speaker 2: has stuck with me and it has taken the form
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Speaker 2: of a feeling wrapped around my brain and my heart.
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Speaker 2: that maybe 50, are we exactly 50 days right now,
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Speaker 2: I think?
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Speaker 3: I believe so.
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Speaker 2: That maybe 50 days from now will not be the
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Speaker 2: disaster everybody thinks it is because there are more of
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Speaker 2: us than there are of them. And by that, I
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Speaker 2: mean people who love this country, people who know we
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Speaker 2: need borders, people who know how many genders there are.
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Speaker 2: So maybe just me, you know?
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Speaker 3: Social media has delivered a remembrance of 9-11. Even the
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Speaker 3: graphic images details of 9-11. A lot of the videos
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Speaker 3: all week long were shown on X and Facebook and
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Speaker 3: TikTok of people plunging to their deaths from the 80th
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Speaker 3: or 90th story of the Twin Tower. I didn't know
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Speaker 3: about the case of the guy using something called, I
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Speaker 3: guess it's called the chimney walk. There was one poor
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Speaker 3: soul who was desperately trying to shimmy down the building
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Speaker 3: and And he was like walking like a crab so
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Speaker 3: that his legs were braced on either side of the beams.
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Speaker 3: And he was going and he made it like nine
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Speaker 3: stories down. And somebody, they put their cameras on the
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Speaker 3: guy and they trained their cameras on him as he
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Speaker 3: was trying to successfully shimmy. And then the building collapsed. And,
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Speaker 3: of course, he was killed there. along with everybody else
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Speaker 3: in that tower when the tower collapsed. Those are the
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Speaker 3: images that are so painful and horrifying, and yet we've
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Speaker 3: got to remember.
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Speaker 2: They're necessary. I was about to ask you, do you believe,
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Speaker 2: and I don't know what it was about this, maybe
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Speaker 2: it's just enough time had passed. I, too, saw a
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Speaker 2: lot of video of the jumpers. There was a magnificent and,
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Speaker 2: in fact, poetic moment I don't know where it appeared.
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Speaker 2: Just the falling man, I think it's called. Falling man.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: And what it is, if you think of the image
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Speaker 2: of somebody jumping from the 80th, 90th, 100th floor, it's
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Speaker 2: just somebody all akimbo. But this particular guy, his head
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Speaker 2: is pointed down. His leg is just cut. It is
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Speaker 2: a clearly intentional– he's not panicked. I mean, listen, who
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Speaker 2: am I to know? But there's something– There's something about
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Speaker 2: it that he just– he clearly knows what he's doing.
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Speaker 2: He is purposeful in that last moment. He is resolute.
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Speaker 2: And the article just kind of confers upon him a
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Speaker 2: type of heroism, whatever you want to call it, a
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Speaker 2: type of honor, a type of dignity.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's just one of the amazing things to emanate from that.
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Speaker 3: But we're seeing an evil today, 25 years later, that
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Speaker 3: in many ways– is more horrifying than what those radical
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Speaker 3: Islamic extremists did to us in New York and D.C.
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Speaker 3: and Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Over the weekend— and I have to admit,
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised this didn't get more traction on my show today,
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Speaker 3: as much as I thought it would— over the weekend, there
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Speaker 3: was a a vandalizing of a Charlie Kirk statue outside
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Speaker 3: the Turning Point USA headquarters in Phoenix. Now, they just
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Speaker 3: unveiled it on Thursday. Now, I've been to that headquarters
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Speaker 3: on a number of occasions, and this was Charlie's, this
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Speaker 3: was the house that Charlie built. You know, he, as
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Speaker 3: a young kid in his parents' garage in Chicago, Illinois,
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Speaker 3: he came up with the idea of Turning Point. And
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Speaker 3: it became this massive, still is, this giant youth grassroots
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Speaker 3: organization for conservatism. And they have a sprawling headquarters in Phoenix.
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Speaker 3: And it's a really impressive place, Mark. I mean, studios
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Speaker 3: and podcast studios and offices. And it's like a kind
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Speaker 3: of a sprawling campus. I went there when I went
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Speaker 3: to Phoenix for his memorial service. And there was a
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Speaker 3: huge shrine, of course, with flowers and teddy bears and
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Speaker 3: signs and tokens of love and appreciation. It's where I
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Speaker 3: saw Benny, what's his name? Benny Johnson. Benny Johnson. It's
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Speaker 3: where I ran into him and interviewed him outside that
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Speaker 3: shrine outside. Well, somebody spray painted with red spray paint
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Speaker 3: the statue and they found it Sunday morning and they
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Speaker 3: spray painted over a message, a poster of Charlie, his
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Speaker 3: face and with a message below it that said, May
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Speaker 3: Charlie be received into the merciful arms of Jesus, our
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Speaker 3: loving Savior. Not only do they paint extra red paint
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Speaker 3: on his neck where the bullet hit him, but they
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Speaker 3: also spray painted over the word Jesus. On social media, Mark,
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Speaker 3: you're seeing all of these cases of people that are
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Speaker 3: being fired, even deported, for celebrating and mocking and joking
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Speaker 3: about Charlie's assassination. You do understand this is not a
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Speaker 3: handful of zanies. We can't dismiss it as just a
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Speaker 3: one-off or a few screwballs. There's a movement now, Mark.
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Speaker 3: There's a movement from the left, and I would argue
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Speaker 3: that we minimize this movement at our own peril. There
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Speaker 3: are too many people, college kids, doctors, nurses, executives, attorneys,
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Speaker 3: military men and women, who think it's normal to take
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Speaker 3: a video of themselves. Taunting the people who love Charlie
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Speaker 3: and taunting his widow and kids and making fun of
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Speaker 3: his assassination. Mark, I would argue that's an evil far
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Speaker 3: more dangerous today than the evil we saw on 9-11.
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Speaker 2: So that you're not misunderstood, because I live to make
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Speaker 2: sure you're not misunderstood. You can take care of yourself.
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Speaker 2: When you first started this, I thought, wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 2: No, but I know what you mean. The danger of
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Speaker 2: more planes flying into buildings, probably fairly low. The danger
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Speaker 2: of this kind of societal poison that you've described spreading,
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Speaker 2: alarmingly high.
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Speaker 3: Bingo. That's my point. I mean, and it's growing. It's
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Speaker 3: growing because– and clearly these people feel they're emboldened. Mark,
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Speaker 3: I have tried and tried and tried to understand the
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Speaker 3: mindset of somebody who might think– Ha ha, Charlie got killed,
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Speaker 3: but then would take it to social media, knowing that
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Speaker 3: it could very well go viral.
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Speaker 2: So if they hope it will. I think they hope
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Speaker 2: it will, which I know, but to what end? Because
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Speaker 2: that often doesn't work out well for people, whatever number,
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Speaker 2: whatever number, whatever percentage of humanity we're describing. And I
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Speaker 2: hear your message that it's probably more than we dare dream.
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Speaker 3: A lot more.
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Speaker 2: The one thing that I would like to make, would
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Speaker 2: like to think suppresses that number a little is whatever
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Speaker 2: number it is, it may be one of those things
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Speaker 2: that we think there's more of because of social media,
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Speaker 2: that whatever number it is, I think you're right. It
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Speaker 2: probably is more than we'd like to think, but I
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Speaker 2: don't think it's 40% or 30 or certainly not 50
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Speaker 2: or anything like that. I think it's a lot of dorks,
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Speaker 2: a lot of idiots, a lot of performative goofballs doing
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Speaker 2: these horrible things, thinking I will go viral. I will
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Speaker 2: be on the news. People will talk about me.
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Speaker 3: I had a feeling you'd say that, and let me
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Speaker 3: give you a gentle, with love, pushback. Let me tell
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Speaker 3: you why this is a movement. How many Democrats have
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Speaker 3: you seen go public and condemn the people who are
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Speaker 3: glorifying Charlie's assassination? How many Democrats are holding press conferences
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Speaker 3: or even on social media just saying, knock it off,
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Speaker 3: this is awful? How many Democrats? Very few, Mark. The
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Speaker 3: Democrat Party has become the party of political violence. What
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Speaker 3: Charlie suffered was an act of political violence that he
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Speaker 3: knew could happen to him. He expressed concern to me
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Speaker 3: once in a green room in Phoenix, of all places.
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Speaker 3: We talked about the security that he needed. And he said,
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Speaker 3: I'm not concerned for myself, you know, but I'm worried
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Speaker 3: for Erica and the kids. And he spent millions every
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Speaker 3: year on security. And of course, sadly, it wasn't enough
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Speaker 3: to save him because somehow they let a guy climb
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Speaker 3: up on a building and and shoot him in the neck.
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Speaker 3: I'm worried, I'm deeply concerned, and I will tell you
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Speaker 3: that I'm frustrated because, I don't know about you, I
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Speaker 3: use my callers as a little litmus test as to
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Speaker 3: whether a topic is working or not. Do you find
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Speaker 3: yourself doing that on your show?
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Speaker 2: I do, and I find that it's instructive sometimes, but
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Speaker 2: we can also sometimes make a mistake to presume that
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Speaker 2: something that gets a flood of calls... must mean the
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Speaker 2: whole country loves it, or it must mean the whole country,
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Speaker 2: or that a paucity of calls must mean they don't.
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Speaker 2: I think we should be careful about jumping to that conclusion.
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Speaker 2: But do I generally think, oh, this is big?
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 3: Generally. And to your point, our boss, Phil Boyce, would
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Speaker 3: agree with you that you can't necessarily judge phone reaction
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Speaker 3: to whether or not it's landing with the audience. And
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Speaker 3: I've Look, you and I have been at this for many,
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Speaker 3: many years together in this business. I've studied the business.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true or not. Maybe it is.
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Speaker 3: I know that it felt to me like this big
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Speaker 3: concern I have about Charlie and the assassination glorification didn't
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Speaker 3: really land with the audience. I didn't get the kind
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Speaker 3: of caller response I thought I'd get.
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Speaker 2: Except maybe it did. And let's just triple analyze it.
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Speaker 2: But that's okay. Maybe we'll dig deep enough to get
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Speaker 2: to it. Maybe there is such a thing. Where the
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Speaker 2: entire audience is driving around, nodding in agreement, sad, slump-shouldered agreement,
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Speaker 2: but it might not necessarily be the thing that makes
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Speaker 2: them leap to the phone and go, you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they know you're right and just kind of ….
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Speaker 3: It may be that it's so bleak and it's so depressing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, and, and there's no answer. I don't know
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Speaker 3: what the answer is. I mean, somebody called the show, somebody,
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Speaker 3: a guy called the show and said, well, we got
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Speaker 3: to prosecute these people. Well, wait a minute. You can't
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Speaker 3: prosecute somebody for glorify for their speech as, as repulsive
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Speaker 3: as it is. You're not going to prosecute them. On
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Speaker 3: the other hand, what would you do if somebody you
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Speaker 3: worked with? What, what, give me a, I want to get,
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Speaker 3: I want you to give me a hypothetical scenario. Somebody
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Speaker 3: you work with over there in your studios, in your
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Speaker 3: offices in Dallas, Texas. You found out, posted a video
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Speaker 3: mocking Charlie's assassination. And we've seen these college kids doing
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Speaker 3: the Kirkiversary dance and making cakes with Kirkiversary and putting
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Speaker 3: their finger to their neck. Boom, boom. What if somebody
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Speaker 3: you worked with, you found out, posted such a video
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Speaker 3: on social media? And it was somebody in your building.
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Speaker 3: How could you– would you be comfortable working with such
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Speaker 3: a person?
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Speaker 2: No, because that's just a horrible human being. I don't think–
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Speaker 2: I'd like to phrase things that way. That is a
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Speaker 2: person who will have done a horrible thing, someone who
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Speaker 2: needs to really rethink life and rethink– You're right. I
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Speaker 2: know I am.
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Speaker 3: That's a horrible human being.
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Speaker 2: I don't like to speak that way.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't either. But they are. They are. They
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Speaker 3: are horrible, horrible human beings. And there's no way around that.
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Speaker 3: And they have no business being around good and decent
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Speaker 3: and normal people. There's something wrong with it. And it's
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Speaker 3: more than a few, Mark. I'm telling you. I know
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Speaker 2: Knock me off the ledge. Dude, I'm trying to sleep
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Speaker 3: And we talk about the history that you and I
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Speaker 2: we appreciate it.
18:55
Speaker 3: Before we get into the AI panic, one more thought
18:58
Speaker 3: on the Charlie Kirk thing. Let me just put you
19:01
Speaker 3: to the test on this. I'm curious as to how
19:03
Speaker 3: you feel about this resolution to a young woman who
19:08
Speaker 3: was mocking and taunting and celebrating Charlie's anniversary. She was
19:12
Speaker 3: visiting the United States on a work visa from Canada.
19:16
Speaker 3: She was our guest, and she's been deported. She took
19:21
Speaker 3: to social media and explained that because of all the
19:24
Speaker 3: backlash that she's gotten over her Charlie Kirk comments. She
19:28
Speaker 3: got kicked out of America along with her sister, who
19:32
Speaker 3: was doing the same thing. They both got deported. What
19:35
Speaker 3: say you, Mark Davis, on the issue of deporting somebody
19:39
Speaker 3: for doing something like celebrating Charlie's assassination?
19:43
Speaker 2: Being welcomed into this country is a privilege. The welcoming
19:48
Speaker 2: of people into this country pre that there will be
19:52
Speaker 2: certain behavior i mean we're not going to set up
19:54
Speaker 2: speech police and tell you you know what you can
19:56
Speaker 2: and can't do in a broad fashion of ways but
19:59
Speaker 2: if there there are things that i think you can
20:01
Speaker 2: do that show yourself as being unworthy of this this
20:05
Speaker 2: gracious american invitation And I don't know how high a
20:09
Speaker 2: bar I'd put on this. I'm at the point where
20:12
Speaker 2: I don't even know how many people I want to
20:13
Speaker 2: let in at all for anything anymore with H-1B fraud
20:17
Speaker 2: and all this crazy stuff going on. So I have
20:19
Speaker 2: no quarrel whatsoever with finding an example of behavior so
20:23
Speaker 2: egregious that we say, you know– Maybe you don't need
20:27
Speaker 2: to be here anymore.
20:29
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I mean, you and I spent
20:31
Speaker 3: a lot of time on Thursday's show honoring Charlie. During
20:35
Speaker 3: my talk show, I interviewed Jack Posobiec from Turning Point USA.
20:39
Speaker 3: Jack posted this on X over the weekend talking about
20:43
Speaker 3: the people being deported for celebrating Charlie's assassination. Not only
20:48
Speaker 3: does he agree with you and me and think it's correct,
20:51
Speaker 3: he doesn't think it goes far enough.
20:54
Speaker 4: Now, some people might say, Jack, do you have a
20:56
Speaker 4: problem with guys like Estetica and others who are getting
21:01
Speaker 4: people fired, getting people deported for celebrating the murder.
21:06
Speaker 2: Of Charlie Kirk?
21:09
Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would say.
21:12
Speaker 4: My only problem is they're not going hard enough and
21:15
Speaker 4: they need to go further.
21:18
Speaker 1: Ouch.
21:19
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. What do you do? I know.
21:22
Speaker 2: I mean, what kind of roundups are we talking about?
21:24
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a point. No matter what it is,
21:27
Speaker 2: it's going to be arbitrary. It's like we're going to
21:28
Speaker 2: be this aggressive and a little less so, a little
21:30
Speaker 2: more so, depending on people's tastes. But I have a
21:34
Speaker 2: feeling it's the kind of thing that would deliver a
21:36
Speaker 2: message across the land, though, doesn't it? I mean, it's
21:37
Speaker 2: the kind of thing where if the people who are
21:40
Speaker 2: here go, you know, maybe I need to be a
21:43
Speaker 2: little less of a jerk. Maybe I need to be
21:45
Speaker 2: a little less of a monster person. Because the last
21:48
Speaker 2: guy who said the thing I was thinking about saying
21:50
Speaker 2: got his ass thrown back to the country of his origin.
21:53
Speaker 1: Amen.
21:54
Speaker 3: All right. AI panic, AI paralysis. Here we go. This morning, Axios,
22:00
Speaker 3: I follow them. I kind of like that publication. I mean,
22:02
Speaker 3: they're inside the beltway and they're probably left to center,
22:05
Speaker 3: but they do a pretty good job of sort of,
22:08
Speaker 3: it's one of my resources in the morning before when
22:10
Speaker 3: I get crawl out of bed at 6 a.m., I
22:12
Speaker 3: start going through the articles. And AI has always been
22:16
Speaker 3: front and center with Axios. This is Mike Allen and
22:19
Speaker 3: Jim VandeHei's site. And a lot of people quote it now. Well,
22:24
Speaker 3: today's analysis was the difference, the stark contrast between the
22:29
Speaker 3: pro-AI side and the AI skeptics. They write, President Trump
22:36
Speaker 3: is as all-in on AI as any politician could be.
22:40
Speaker 3: All gas, no brakes, zero interest in hand-wringing about dystopian
22:46
Speaker 3: risks or public disdain. Democrats, on the other hand, Mark,
22:51
Speaker 3: are conflicted. They're about as conflicted as a political party
22:54
Speaker 3: can be. They're skeptical of the labs. They're spooked by
22:57
Speaker 3: their warnings. But they're split on whether to shut it
23:00
Speaker 3: all down. What strikes me as odd, and we had
23:03
Speaker 3: a really fun exercise this morning because I was surprised
23:06
Speaker 3: that you seemed surprised. mystified as to why these AI
23:10
Speaker 3: executives are talking about putting up guardrails for their own industry.
23:14
Speaker 1: Right.
23:15
Speaker 3: And they are. And they are. I mean, they're sitting
23:17
Speaker 3: around saying, look, this could get out of hand. Well,
23:20
Speaker 3: it's their company. It's their industry. It's their. And the
23:23
Speaker 3: reason why they're asking for government regulation. They want the
23:28
Speaker 3: government to regulate the hell out of AI so that
23:33
Speaker 3: I believe the government can control our lives.
23:37
Speaker 2: But why would the people at Anthropic, why would the
23:40
Speaker 2: people at Google, why would the people– why would Elon
23:42
Speaker 2: Musk be OK with that?
23:44
Speaker 3: Because they– well, I don't know about Elon Musk, but
23:47
Speaker 3: some of these anthropic and the rest of them, they
23:49
Speaker 3: are left-leaning, power-hungry, corrupt people perhaps that want that level
23:55
Speaker 3: of control. They can't get the control without working hand-in-hand
23:59
Speaker 3: with the government.
24:00
Speaker 2: And they know they're going to make their money. They
24:02
Speaker 2: know they'll make their money. That's right. It's kind of–
24:05
Speaker 2: this may be a clumsy comparison. It's like the rich
24:08
Speaker 2: Hollywood star– Who is OK with higher taxes because they
24:12
Speaker 2: can afford it. It's like, well, you know, just on principle,
24:14
Speaker 2: I think people ought to be paying more taxes for
24:16
Speaker 2: for a bigger, more confiscatory government. And I'm willing to
24:19
Speaker 2: play along with that.
24:20
Speaker 3: So well, and you just said something that got my
24:23
Speaker 3: wheels turning a little bit. They know they'll make their money. Hey,
24:25
Speaker 3: they could make more money with the government than without
24:28
Speaker 3: the government. So that's the point. I think you've got
24:31
Speaker 3: to be very leery of all these panic-stricken people. Because
24:38
Speaker 3: the narrative, the one talking point is that we're all
24:41
Speaker 3: going to get wiped out within a decade. Within 10 years,
24:44
Speaker 3: humanity itself is going to be eliminated. Now, I had
24:48
Speaker 3: some callers today, and this really did take off on
24:51
Speaker 3: the show earlier. But I had a lady call me
24:53
Speaker 3: from Phoenix, and she's anti-AI, right? She's anti-flock cameras. She's
25:00
Speaker 3: anti-data centers. You put her all into one.
25:03
Speaker 1: Cell phone, cars.
25:05
Speaker 3: Electricity, running water. air conditioning. I mean, she's against it all.
25:11
Speaker 3: But how about Kyrsten Sinema's take? Check this out. The
25:15
Speaker 3: former Democrat senator, she was wrote, but she wasn't really
25:20
Speaker 3: a Democrat. Was she? She was not really.
25:21
Speaker 2: She was kind of center left. Pretty, pretty reasonable as
25:24
Speaker 2: Democrats go like a Fetterman Democrat, right?
25:28
Speaker 3: Good usage. So here's Kyrsten Sinema with Laura Trump, our
25:32
Speaker 3: Salem colleague, with her podcast as well here on Salem
25:35
Speaker 3: Podcast Network. But Laura Trump hosts a weekend show on
25:38
Speaker 3: Fox News Channel and had Kyrsten Sinema on. Listen to
25:43
Speaker 3: what former Senator Sinema had to say about the panic
25:47
Speaker 3: and the fear and the anxiety largely being stoked by
25:52
Speaker 3: China over AI and data centers and flock cameras.
25:56
Speaker 2: To them or what do you say to them?
25:57
Speaker 5: Well, the first thing to know is that China has
25:59
Speaker 5: done an incredible job at spreading misinformation and disinformation.
26:04
Speaker 3: Across our country.
26:05
Speaker 5: They're really very, very good at it and they have
26:07
Speaker 5: unlimited resources. So many Americans think, gosh, my energy costs
26:11
Speaker 5: are going to go up. But we know that doesn't
26:14
Speaker 5: actually comport with reality, right? The president has announced the
26:19
Speaker 5: protection pledge for consumers to ensure that they're not bearing
26:23
Speaker 5: the costs of the energy and Number two, people think, gosh,
26:26
Speaker 5: it's so much water. But the new data centers actually
26:29
Speaker 5: use less water than restaurants, right? And then people think, gosh,
26:32
Speaker 5: this is AI is scary. It's going to take away jobs.
26:36
Speaker 5: What we've actually seen in the last two years is
26:38
Speaker 5: that AI industries have experienced wage growth and job growth.
26:43
Speaker 5: So it's actually a net plus for us. But I
26:45
Speaker 5: think what's really important to remember is this. When folks say, gosh,
26:49
Speaker 5: I don't want a data center anywhere near me, I
26:52
Speaker 5: think what they're forgetting is how important it is for
26:54
Speaker 5: all of our communities. Not only does it bring tax
26:56
Speaker 5: revenue and jobs and help and support to our communities,
27:00
Speaker 5: but it makes all of our lives better.
27:02
Speaker 3: And it does. It does make all of our lives better, Mark. Yeah.
27:09
Speaker 3: I know it does. It does. Of course, in ways.
27:12
Speaker 2: That the wonderful story you told about how, you know,
27:15
Speaker 2: 14 guys on the IT desk in Bombay couldn't help
27:17
Speaker 2: you with your router. 60 seconds with chat GPT and
27:21
Speaker 2: you had it fixed. We all have stories just like that.
27:25
Speaker 2: And yet when I do hear the stories of future
27:27
Speaker 2: societal ruin, I cannot dismiss them. Because take a look
27:32
Speaker 2: at iPhones. Take a look at the Internet. Take a
27:34
Speaker 2: look at all these things that have an amazing component
27:36
Speaker 2: to them but have also resulted in some real social
27:39
Speaker 2: erosion and some real human cost. This one is way
27:42
Speaker 2: worse because if you've got a problem with your phone,
27:44
Speaker 2: at least you, the human, have the ability to put
27:46
Speaker 2: it down and get it out of your life for
27:48
Speaker 2: a day, a week, or a month. Once this AI
27:50
Speaker 2: stuff happens, once it gets its– tech tentacles dug in.
27:55
Speaker 2: There may be no way to unplug it. And it
27:57
Speaker 2: doesn't make me dive under the bed. But I think
28:01
Speaker 2: the concerns are absolutely real as well.
28:05
Speaker 3: Mike Cernovich is a social media influencer who's been weighing
28:08
Speaker 3: in on this on X a lot. He pointed out
28:12
Speaker 3: that this panic, this fear reminds him of COVID, reminds
28:16
Speaker 3: him of global warming, reminds him of the hysteria That
28:21
Speaker 3: people got all wrapped around. Is that fair?
28:26
Speaker 2: Because COVID went from we were all scared because we
28:29
Speaker 2: didn't know what we were doing. Then people got smart really,
28:32
Speaker 2: really fast. Global warming, climate change has always been BS.
28:37
Speaker 2: Man-made changing the planet's temperature has always been BS. These
28:42
Speaker 2: AI concerns are not crazy. They're just not.
28:48
Speaker 3: Well, again, I'm just concerned about learning that China is
28:56
Speaker 3: fueling the flames of distrust and contempt. Our president weighed
29:01
Speaker 3: in on this. Did you see his Truth Social post?
29:04
Speaker 3: Got it in front of you? Here we go. He wrote,
29:08
Speaker 3: the only control or guardrails that AI needs is a
29:12
Speaker 3: strong and smart, high IQ president. Of course. And the
29:18
Speaker 3: USA has that in spades. I mean, being modest, speaking
29:22
Speaker 3: modestly as he often does. The Trump administration has stopped
29:26
Speaker 3: AI people, quote unquote, from doing bad or potentially bad
29:30
Speaker 3: things like Dario, the anthropic guy, who's now pretending to
29:35
Speaker 3: be a perfect little angel. And we will continue to
29:37
Speaker 3: do so. We have already we have we already have.
29:40
Speaker 3: criminal and regulatory power over these companies. There is a
29:44
Speaker 3: sick conspiracy going on against AI and data centers, and
29:48
Speaker 3: the only one that's happy about it is China. Whoever
29:51
Speaker 3: wins AI wins, he said. We are leading China and
29:56
Speaker 3: all others, and we'll continue to do so. Conspiracy theorists Treasonists, traitors,
30:02
Speaker 3: and leakers, beware. Thank you for your attention to this matter,
30:06
Speaker 3: President Donald J. Trump. And he's not wrong either. He's
30:11
Speaker 3: not wrong. No, not at all.
30:13
Speaker 2: Not at all.
30:14
Speaker 3: He can be right.
30:18
Speaker 2: And this is what makes it so compelling because from
30:20
Speaker 2: data centers to flock cameras to AI, it is possible.
30:23
Speaker 2: It is really possible. And we see it happen in
30:26
Speaker 2: front of us. to have people on both sides of
30:28
Speaker 2: each issue make a pretty darn plausible, I mean, once
30:31
Speaker 2: COVID was underway, it was clear who was full of
30:34
Speaker 2: it and who wasn't. That's always been true for climate change,
30:37
Speaker 2: for if you have the eyes to see and the
30:38
Speaker 2: brain to process. But for these things, when there's so
30:41
Speaker 2: much unknown and so much of a future that is
30:43
Speaker 2: yet to unfold, I think it's possible to make arguments,
30:47
Speaker 2: plausible arguments on both sides. And I'll tell you, Mike,
30:50
Speaker 2: and pardon the pivot here, because if there's something, if
30:51
Speaker 2: this is something you people are interested in, all of
30:53
Speaker 2: you are interested in, And you find that there is
30:55
Speaker 2: something interesting in the popular culture when someone makes a
30:58
Speaker 2: movie or makes a book about something. I can't say
31:01
Speaker 2: enough about Craig Stanfield's Carbon Zero, which is a story
31:04
Speaker 2: exactly like what you and I are talking about, where
31:07
Speaker 2: somebody says, hey, let's have this AI thing. We have
31:09
Speaker 2: a little AI bot called Xerxes. Just no spoilers or anything.
31:13
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31:15
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31:16
Speaker 3: It can do.
31:17
Speaker 2: And it goes very, very wrong. It's like, whoa, how
31:21
Speaker 2: do we stop it?
31:22
Speaker 3: What do we do?
31:22
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give anything else away. It's Carbon Zero.
31:26
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31:30
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31:33
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31:35
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32:20
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Speaker 2: A minute or two. I know we've got to wrap here.
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Speaker 2: I had a guest today. I talked to a gentleman
33:59
Speaker 2: briefly who's a friend of mine. I had something happen
34:01
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34:02
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34:05
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34:08
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34:11
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34:14
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34:16
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34:19
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34:22
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34:25
Speaker 2: And I'm not telling conservatives that you need to watch
34:27
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34:29
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34:31
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34:33
Speaker 2: it will inform you more and you can then better
34:35
Speaker 2: know why your conservative ideas are better. The gentleman I
34:38
Speaker 2: spoke to, was a man named Ryan Rusak, who for
34:42
Speaker 2: the last four years had been my editor at the Star-Telegram.
34:46
Speaker 2: I've written for the Star-Telegram and the Morning News, you know,
34:48
Speaker 2: back and forth a little bit. And a little behind
34:51
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34:54
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34:59
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35:02
Speaker 2: That's why I'm writing for the Dallas Express now. But
35:04
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35:07
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35:09
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35:13
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35:16
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35:19
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35:23
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35:27
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35:30
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35:38
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35:41
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35:43
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35:46
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35:48
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35:51
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35:57
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35:59
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36:02
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36:05
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36:07
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Speaker 3: Well, we hope the podcast is lasting and a very
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Speaker 3: important part of your life. Another day in the books.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, my friend. Sorry for your cowboys. My cowboys, too.
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Speaker 3: But there's always next week. You know what?
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I mean, Oklahoma lost to Michigan.
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Speaker 2: Cowboys rolled out whatever that was. Texas win over Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: What even was that? How did that– I left. I said,
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Speaker 2: I just got to go make a sandwich. And they
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Speaker 2: were just getting their hats handed to them by the
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Speaker 2: number one team in the country. It's Ohio State. Hey,
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Speaker 2: what are you going to do? And then Arch Manning
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Speaker 2: of the defense woke up. And as you and I
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Speaker 2: speak right now, the University of Texas Longhorns– are the
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Speaker 1: Boom.
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Speaker 2: Finish on an up note. Finish on a positive note.
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Speaker 2: Hook them horns.
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Speaker 3: Go, go, go longhorns. Happy Monday. We'll do it again tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. See you, everybody.
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Speaker 2: See you.