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The Late Debate | 15 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: The Things a man will do for a bit of
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  Speaker 2: nookie A Welcome to the Late Debate with Me, Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand and freyer Leitch coming up tonight. It's pretty
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: close to your worst nightmare. I think, asking a woman
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  Speaker 2: if she's pregnant and well she's not an airline worker
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: found out the hard way. We'll tell you that one soon.
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  Speaker 2: In the papers. Sorted text messages between Mark Latham and
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  Speaker 2: his ex partner have been made public as she tries
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: to get a domestic violence order against him. We'll give
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  Speaker 2: you a window into that later. And Boris Johnson's having
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  Speaker 2: a gay old time since he left office. Will show
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  Speaker 2: you some of his latest antics very soon. But first,
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  Speaker 2: great things have been going on at the Northern Beaches
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  Speaker 2: Council tonight. They have been discussing whether or not they
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  Speaker 2: should be condemning nuclear bombs and I am glad to
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  Speaker 2: tell you that this motion has gone down as you
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  Speaker 2: would hope and expect. Four people four or three against
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  Speaker 2: it and five abstained because well they figure it's just
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  Speaker 2: stuff that you really shouldn't be talking about at a
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  Speaker 2: council meet. This came from a Green's councilor Ethan hern Jack,
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  Speaker 2: and he had another motion up recently saying that we
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  Speaker 2: should not have anything to do with Israel, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: That one also fell over, but he was arguing that
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  Speaker 2: they need to recognize that it's the eightieth anniversary of
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  Speaker 2: the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki coming up. That's fine,
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  Speaker 2: you can recognize that. But he wanted to fly the
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  Speaker 2: flag for the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons on
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  Speaker 2: the anniversaries. He wanted to fly it on the International
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  Speaker 2: Day of Peace, he wanted to fly it on the
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  Speaker 2: International Day for the Total Elimination of Nuclear Weapons. And
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to sign them up to the treaty that
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  Speaker 2: says there should be no nuclear weapons. And his reasoning
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  Speaker 2: for that is that if a nuclear weapon were to
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  Speaker 2: go off, it would be counsuls that would have to
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  Speaker 2: respond to it first. In fact, he wrote in his
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  Speaker 2: motion and I quote, in the event of a nuclear detonation,
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  Speaker 2: local governments are often the hearst is on, Can I
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  Speaker 2: just point out the word? Often in the event of
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear detonation, local governments are often the first to respond.
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  Speaker 2: How many times do you have nuclear bombs going off
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  Speaker 2: that the councils have to respond to anyway. He continues,
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  Speaker 2: they have multiple responsibilities for coordination in the immediate and
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  Speaker 2: long term aftermath, and for these reasons, the issue is
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  Speaker 2: directly relevant to local government. Well, the councilors didn't think so.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, five of them abstained, and so this
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  Speaker 2: motion was lost and took them forty five minutes though,
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  Speaker 2: to debate whether or not they should be condemning nuclear
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  Speaker 2: weapons at Northern Beaches Council. And in a moment of liberty,
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  Speaker 2: quite early on in the debate, when the mover, mister
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  Speaker 2: Hernjack councilor Hernjak, had a question for the mayor, she said,
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  Speaker 2: is this where we ask our Department of Weapons? So
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that we say, have a bit of labutan.
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  Speaker 2: My goodness. Why does this stuff keep clogging up our councils?
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  Speaker 2: And I want to know why are local governments often
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  Speaker 2: the first to respond.
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  Speaker 1: To This is what I'm trying to figure out because
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  Speaker 1: my understanding of history, Caleb, there have been only two
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  Speaker 1: generations of a nuclear bomb in a population center, that
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  Speaker 1: being Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing to laugh about.
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  Speaker 1: Incidentally, I hope the Northern Beaches council doesn't pass emotion
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  Speaker 1: against me. So when they say often, do they mean
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  Speaker 1: that in one of these events, the Hiroshima local council
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  Speaker 1: was the first to respond, or maybe the Nagasaki. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't say most because it can't be most. It
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  Speaker 1: can either be fifty percent yes, or one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: So it's either some or all. I'm just wondering this
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  Speaker 1: the level of research that nor Beach's Council has gone
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  Speaker 1: into on this issue, as you saying that maybe they're
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  Speaker 1: thinking of Chernobyl, Maybe it was the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Chernobyl aldermen who were the first people to get into
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  Speaker 1: the reactor when it melted down, or whether.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very I mean, if there really was a nuclear detonation,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think a local council is going to be
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  Speaker 4: getting in.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be there anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No, exactly at someone else's local council.
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  Speaker 5: It's all over for all of us.
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  Speaker 4: But this is what I just do not understand about
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  Speaker 4: specifically the Greens, but radical left wing politics in general.
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  Speaker 4: They will take any opportunity, any platform, anybody, any institution,
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  Speaker 4: and use that as a platform for politics, for the
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  Speaker 4: politicization of things that frankly have no role in local government. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: just a few weeks ago, this same Northern Beaches Council
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  Speaker 4: passed a twenty five percent rate rise onto its constituents.
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  Speaker 4: That's the sort of thing people care about. They do
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  Speaker 4: not care about the Northern Beaches being a nuclear free
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  Speaker 4: zone or the nuclear Maybe they need a task force
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  Speaker 4: on nuclear detonation management.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that would be the next thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you're going to drop a nuclear bomb anywhere,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose it would be on the Northern Beaches Council.
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  Speaker 2: And the worst part of it is obviously the bulk
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  Speaker 2: of the council recognized that this shouldn't be council business
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  Speaker 2: because it's stuff that should be dealt with by figures.
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  Speaker 1: To abstained, they're like, sorry, guys, just let me think
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  Speaker 1: about it for a while.
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  Speaker 2: They abstained. I actually I put myself through this thing
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  Speaker 2: so that I could come and tell you Tonati how
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  Speaker 2: it went. And they abstained on the basis that they
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  Speaker 2: didn't think it should be coming before council and so
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  Speaker 2: they were making a statement that we shouldn't be voting
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  Speaker 2: on it at all. So that's why it fell over.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the fact that they then spend forty five
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  Speaker 2: minutes that point. I mean the forty five minutes wasn't
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  Speaker 2: spent saying, oh, nuclear weapons are good or bad. It
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  Speaker 2: was forty five minutes of counselors saying why are we
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  Speaker 2: talking about this? And that is time that they could
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  Speaker 2: have and should have spent dealing with other matters. That's
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  Speaker 2: that's the worst part.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember being in a young left wing student activist
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  Speaker 1: party back at UNI and we spent I think three
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  Speaker 1: hours debating T shirts and that you know, by the
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  Speaker 1: end of it, they were pretty good T shirts, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're necessarily decisive. But this is the thing,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not just Northern Beaches Council. The Inner West
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  Speaker 1: Council which is quite famous for this, like going years back,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was you know, when it was like
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  Speaker 1: Art Council, they were giving money to East t Moor
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  Speaker 1: in solidarity and everything, and even just a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago the Inner West Council, when it was run
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  Speaker 1: by the Greens and not by the valiant patriot Darcy Brn,
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  Speaker 1: it actually debated emotion as to whether or not it
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  Speaker 1: supported the Orchestral, whether or not it's supported nuclear submarines.
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  Speaker 1: A local government council well in the inner West of
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  Speaker 1: Sydney debating whether or not there should be nuclear submarines
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  Speaker 1: sailing up the Cooks River.
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  Speaker 2: So sood hang out with it's a bit last but
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  Speaker 2: as j is sitting there or kim jong Wuna whatever,
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  Speaker 2: just you know, waiting to see what the Northern Beaches
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  Speaker 2: Council is to say, Oh, I can't press.
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  Speaker 3: The button now.
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  Speaker 5: The councils can't do it exactly.
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  Speaker 4: It is so so silly, but councils are crazy. Well, meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: I guess this is some good news for Australians. The
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  Speaker 4: RBA today released a plan to ban credit card and
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  Speaker 4: debit card surcharge fees. You know when you go to
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  Speaker 4: pay for something and you think it's going to cost
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  Speaker 4: ten dollars and then you go to paint it's ten
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  Speaker 4: dollars and two cents.
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  Speaker 5: What is that surcharge?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, if you're lucky, sometimes the surcharges can be
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  Speaker 4: higher than that.
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  Speaker 5: But the RBA now has.
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  Speaker 4: Released a plan saying they want to ban the surch charges.
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  Speaker 5: My problem with this.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds great on paper, but a lot of things
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  Speaker 4: like rent controls and price caps sound great on paper
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  Speaker 4: until you realize there's a whole market behind why these
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  Speaker 4: things exist. Now, these search charges are added because it
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  Speaker 4: costs the business to accept credit card payments. They have
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  Speaker 4: to pay a fee to process these payments, to the banks,
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  Speaker 4: to the terminal operators, et cetera, et cetera. And so
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  Speaker 4: the problem is if you ban the surch charges, well,
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  Speaker 4: I mean cafes and businesses will just hike the prices
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  Speaker 4: to pass the cost on anyway, because we know they're
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  Speaker 4: operating on tiny margins. And then if they can't do that, well,
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  Speaker 4: then the banks, who lose out on the revenue, they'll
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  Speaker 4: also be mad.
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  Speaker 5: So I understand where they're going.
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  Speaker 4: With this, but it's not as simple as just saying
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  Speaker 4: we're going to save everyone one point two billion dollars.
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  Speaker 4: There's a reason these things exist, and someone's got to
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  Speaker 4: absorb the cost.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been going on about this for ages.
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  Speaker 2: I call it theftposs because you know that is that's
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  Speaker 2: the thieving your money from you to spend your own money.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to spend more of your own money. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make a great deal of sense. It's like a
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  Speaker 2: story I think we did last year about banks were
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  Speaker 2: actually charging you to withdraw cash from the back your
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  Speaker 2: own money to get your own money out of ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, all the way back in twenty seventeen, I
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  Speaker 2: set up a website theftposts dot com. You can go
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  Speaker 2: check it out if you want, because I was that
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  Speaker 2: in sense freedom Viner. I think I'd come back to
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  Speaker 2: the newsroom working at the Advertiser in Adelaide at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and I was incensed about, you know, I'd paid an
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  Speaker 2: extra fifty cents for coffee or something because I'd use
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  Speaker 2: my God, this is ridiculous. It's my money. Why do
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  Speaker 2: I have to pay more to use my money? And
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  Speaker 2: of course it is right, Joe, that we're paying it
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  Speaker 2: because these things also get charged to the businesses because
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  Speaker 2: the banks and the providers are slugging them. It's essentially
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  Speaker 2: a raw by the banks and the providers of the machines.
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  Speaker 2: But my understanding of what the RBA is also trying
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  Speaker 2: to do is to put pressure on those providers to
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  Speaker 2: get them to drive down their costs.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: So the first question is, Okay, obviously there is a
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  Speaker 1: cost for these transactions to be processed, but is it
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  Speaker 1: as much as the consumer is paying I call bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not no way, and you can you can tell
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  Speaker 1: that by the fact that it's a different one for
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  Speaker 1: different sides, for different cards, for different Obviously Amex is
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  Speaker 1: an outlier, but for you know, even for MasterCard or Visa,
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  Speaker 1: there are different places which will have a different surcharge
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  Speaker 1: on the same transaction. It might be different paying your
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  Speaker 1: you know, your water bill to booking a flight on jetsa,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is. So clearly both those things cannot be true, right.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same process, the same transaction, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: a different percentage.
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  Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. The second thing is that's not.
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  Speaker 1: How it's just a cash grab by the banks or
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  Speaker 1: the or the credit card companies, because they really make
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  Speaker 1: all their money from having your money in the case
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  Speaker 1: of banks, and being able to do whatever they want
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  Speaker 1: with it and only having to give you whatever small,
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  Speaker 1: tiny bit of it you need at any given point
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  Speaker 1: in time. So it's not like, you know, you go
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  Speaker 1: to your website and in the computer there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, one hundred thousand dollars of your own
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  Speaker 1: money that you can just reach it and get. The
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  Speaker 1: bank has got that. It's playing the money markets with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's doing whatever it does with it, investing it, making
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  Speaker 1: money off it, and making huge amounts of money that way.
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  Speaker 1: Plus they're also making absolute metric truckloads of money from
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  Speaker 1: all the interests you pay them on, all the mortgages
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  Speaker 1: that you've taken out, all the business loans that you've
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  Speaker 1: taken out. And guess what, the same businesses that take
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  Speaker 1: out the same business loans that are paying you know,
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  Speaker 1: shit loads of interest on it, they're the same businesses
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  Speaker 1: getting jacked on the transaction fees. And so it's not
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  Speaker 1: like the banks or the businesses need this just to
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  Speaker 1: sort of cover their costs just so they can get
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  Speaker 1: buy because their little batler's little batler's training get by.
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  Speaker 3: They're raking in the dice.
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  Speaker 1: You can see it every time they post another maximum profit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a common choces. You know, companies need to
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  Speaker 1: make profit. But they're getting all that money. They're doing
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  Speaker 1: very nicely, thank.
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  Speaker 3: You very much.
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  Speaker 1: And the little bit they're taking from your account keeping
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  Speaker 1: fee or from your transaction fee is just because they can.
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  Speaker 5: But that's the worry.
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  Speaker 4: Oftentimes these regulations get put in, but it is the
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  Speaker 4: small businesses that are affected the most, and big business
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  Speaker 4: is rarely actually held to the same standards. So I
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  Speaker 4: guess the risk here is that they say.
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  Speaker 5: You can't add the surcharge on cafes.
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  Speaker 4: Businesses who can jack up prices will, and those who
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  Speaker 4: can't will just lose customers and lose revenue. We've already
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  Speaker 4: seen people pulling back discretionary spending that is happening in
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  Speaker 4: our economy, and so I guess the question is really
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  Speaker 4: for labor, will they actually take the banks on problem.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know, don't have much confidence.
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  Speaker 5: That they will. And again it'll be the small businesses
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  Speaker 5: that suffer, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And at the same time as all this stuff goes on,
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  Speaker 2: they keep closing branches. They make it harder to get
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  Speaker 2: your hands on cash action cash notes to go and
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  Speaker 2: spend anywhere, So you're basically forced in many places to
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  Speaker 2: use your card. Now you can't get your hands on cash.
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  Speaker 2: This will probably mean more people will use their card,
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  Speaker 2: but that's the way things are naturally going. I've been
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  Speaker 2: saying for a while now that I think the banks,
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  Speaker 2: because they're essentially secured by the federal government, federal government
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  Speaker 2: every now and again should be calling in some favors
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  Speaker 2: and saying if you want that security because of course
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  Speaker 2: it's always going to be there. You have to provide
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  Speaker 2: a service. That's what you are, a service provider. You
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  Speaker 2: have to keep branches open. You have to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do things for a reasonable sum of money instead
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  Speaker 2: of slugging us. Speaking of being slugged, the Handsome Boy
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  Speaker 2: has been over in China this week talking to Xixingping
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  Speaker 2: and friends. It all seems to be pretty friendly. He
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  Speaker 2: was their meeting today. With joint efforts from both stats,
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  Speaker 2: the Channel Australia relationship has rose from the setback and
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  Speaker 2: turned around.
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  Speaker 6: I note your comment in your opening remarks about seeking
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  Speaker 6: common ground while sharing differences. That approach has indeed produced
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  Speaker 6: very positive benefits for both Australia and for China.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yes, miss miss Dug, we can't and kiss the
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  Speaker 2: ring because of course what G is talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the relationship has turned around. What he means is we
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  Speaker 2: didn't like it when Scott Morrison asked about the origins
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  Speaker 2: of COVID, and so we slapped all of these tariffs
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  Speaker 2: on you. And so now we have a Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: who likes me a lot more and doesn't ask me
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  Speaker 2: difficult questions like that, and so things are all hunky dory.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's not necessarily a good thing. And we must
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  Speaker 2: keep in mind, of course, when we do deals with China,
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  Speaker 2: and we have the Prime Minister going over to China,
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  Speaker 2: and yes they are an important trading partner, but we
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  Speaker 2: cannot lose sight of what this country is. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't mean the people who live within it, but I
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  Speaker 2: mean the people who the Chinese Communist Party in jijingping
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  Speaker 2: what this country actually is. And of course the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister when he travels has journalists to go with him
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  Speaker 2: to cover what he's up to. And the Australian press
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  Speaker 2: crew were getting around Beijing today. They were at the
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  Speaker 2: Bell and Drum towers in central Beijing and they were
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  Speaker 2: filming there, which they had permission to do, because you
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  Speaker 2: have to ask for permission for these sorts of things
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  Speaker 2: in China. It's not like here where you can film
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  Speaker 2: in a public place. And then they were confronted by
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  Speaker 2: security saying we don't think you have the proper clearance
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  Speaker 2: to be able to film here. We're calling the cops
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  Speaker 2: on you. The journos were trying to leave, and they
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  Speaker 2: did eventually they managed to get themselves onto a bus
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  Speaker 2: and out of there, but they were being threatened by
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  Speaker 2: these security guards, told that the cops had been called
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  Speaker 2: on them. Australian diplomats were trying to negotiate with these
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  Speaker 2: guards and it wasn't going well. He was clear Armstrong
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  Speaker 2: from the newsical papers describing the situation.
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  Speaker 7: The Australian media delegation was just filming some footage at
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  Speaker 7: a Beijing landmark, the Fell and Drum Towers. We have
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  Speaker 7: letters from the embassy giving us permission. We checked before,
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  Speaker 7: but we've run into a little bit of trouble with
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  Speaker 7: some of the local security officials here. They've insisted that
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  Speaker 7: we can't leave that they've called the police. We've headed
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  Speaker 7: out to the road rating for out bus and we're
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  Speaker 7: just going to see what happens.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we make a lot of money out of
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: this country, Joe, but it's the sort of country where
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  Speaker 2: they call the police on you if you film things.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. In many ways, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: glad that this happened. A friend of mine, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: a great journal But it's good that this happened because
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  Speaker 1: it reminds you that below all the kind of you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: panshakes and the warmth and you know, you know, cooperate
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  Speaker 1: where we can and disagree where we must. That this
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  Speaker 1: is an incredibly hard line, repressive, authoritarian and anyways totalitarian
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  Speaker 1: regime and that if you step out of line with
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  Speaker 1: it in the slightest it will seek to crush you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's the same as with you know,
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  Speaker 1: the suggestion that you know that we will the Australian
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: government will buy back the Port of Darwin, which is
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: currently on a ninety nine year Chinese lease, that you
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  Speaker 1: know that there are all these threatening remarks that have
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: made so as long as as long as everyone's smiling
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and shaking hands and agreeing to everything, then everything's fine.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: But the minute there is the slightest suspicion that you
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: are going off piece or doing your own thing, whether
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: it being taking the wrong photos or you know, using
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a buying back a piece of you know, national sovereignty,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: then they will just crush you. And it's the same
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: as when you know, Maurice pain I think it was
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: did raise the the the COVID stuff. Now my understanding
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: is that was not actually that there was not actually
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Scott Morrison's idea, or that it was even necessarily approved
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: by him or done with his knowledge. I can't confirm that,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: but that is what I have heard, so I don't
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: think that was actually that was.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I do know that that shocked a lot.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Of people in diplomatic circles who just thought, why on
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: earth are you doing this?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So what maybe it did, but I think that was
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Australia asking the question that the rest of the world.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that was the Morrison government deliberately
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: muscling up.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I think that was an error.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: But it's revealing the retaliation that Australia experienced because we
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: asked that question, and I think it's equally revealing the
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: repression with which our own journalists were met with on
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: a diplomatic tour accompanying the Prime minister. For them to
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: be shut down by local Chinese security, I mean, it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: truly shocking. They had letters from the embassies they were
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: being escorted, and so for them to be basically intimidated
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: and targeted and told they can't leave until they call
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the police is shocking. And then I think what's really
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: insulting is in the press conferences Albanzi gave after his
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: meeting with Jijiping and Premier Lee. He was so timid,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: so equivocal, not wanting to rock the boat. He downplayed
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: China's actions in the Indo Pacific as strategic competition. He
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: didn't give any commitments around you know, maybe Australia should
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: be notified about China doing live fire drills off our coast,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: and he said, you know, China circumnavigating our country. It's
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: just like exactly what Australia does. Drawing any equivalence between
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: US defending freedom of navigation through critical international waters and
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: China circumnavigating Australia, that's insulting.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder, I wonder if they talked about the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: cuteness of panda bears like they did last time the
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister was over there. That's the most uneedifying thing
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: about every time the Prime Minister has gone to visit
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: he does the press conference afterwards, is that it's so
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: clear that Jijingping has Anthony Albaneze's test is in a
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: vice grip, like he's like a scared little boy who's
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: been to see his father who doesn't love him very much,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and since him off the boarding school, and he comes
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: back and he just desperately really wants to be loved
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: by his dad, and he won't put a foot wrong.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: That's what it looks like. Weacter.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I think we have to be smart enough and careful
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: enough to know that it's not about how loud we talk.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It's about the size of the stick that we carry.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And obviously that relies on our alliance with America, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: we need to make sure that that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Is in good nis. We need to meeting.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, jumping up and down and making
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a fuss and criticizing or lecturing China doesn't help anything
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: like it actually doesn't help anybody. It doesn't make that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: situation better, it makes it much much more. So we
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: have to be mindful of the threat that they pose.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But the PM getting in Jingping's face and jumping up
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and down about it doesn't actually ameliorate that threat.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: It makes it worse and it leads to show more vulnerable.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: Well, you can't be a reckless warmongerer.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: But then at the same time you can't just bow
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: down to pressure Encouto to the greatest threat.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: The West's face since World War Two.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: So there's a balance there that I don't think Albanezi
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: has quite found on this trip. But someone else who
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: is undergoing a little bit of retraining. Is a staff
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: member at a British airline called Jet two. Now, he
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: did what is honestly every person's worst nightmare. He walked
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: up to a passenger and this is according to her.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: She's a thirty seven year old lady from Scotland, Claire King.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: According to her, this staff member walked up to her,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: looked her up and down and said are you expecting
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: or are you pregnant? And she goes are you series
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and then bursts out crying. Now that is enough to
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: make your skin absolutely crawl.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: But what confuses me about this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I think we've all done it, or we've had a
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: close rush at accidentally doing it. I now wait for
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: people to tell me that they're pregnant before assuming, out
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: of fear of this. But she was only a size twelve,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: which is not that large at all.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: That's very average.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: So maybe it's just a safety protocol, But oh my goodness,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I cannot I'm having third hand second hand embarrassed.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to mention how awful you feel
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: in the moment, but I'm going to give the like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt. Because he said that he
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: was asked to do it by his superiors, and he
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: made that clear. So presumably it is for some sort
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of safety protocol, or perhaps they might have even offered
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: her some sort of you know, priority access to the
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: babe if she they thought she'd a band in the oven.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So you know, really we're all a bit sensitive about me.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, if your burst into tears, of it a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: bit offended and saying mate, you're your thinker, that fat,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you're not that much yourself, but like bursting into tears
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: going on like god.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, when you're pregnant you get very emotional, all
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: those running around, but no, I can certainly understand why
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you would burst in the tears, because it would it
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: would be just mortifying. I also, though, I think the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: bloke has been sort of hung out to dry, as
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: manager said, oh man, can you go and do that?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And he actually asked her to get off the bus,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: so I think that he's trying to do it in
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a more discreet way by not asking in front of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: everybody else, but of course, instead he just makes the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: spectacle all the greater. The other wee thing, of course,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: is that why would you ask some Well, maybe it
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is just the airline. Maybe Jet too has suddenly decided
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it's going to go mid market and give her a free.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Upgrade, or maybe even worse.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to fly if you're beyond eight months pregnant.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I think it is, And so he must or his
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: manager must have thought she.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Was very very very very brilliant.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But again it's just the cringiness of it and the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: awkwardness of it just gets worse and worse.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: But I've done it myself. I did it myself. It
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: was so so bad.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: It was about twenty years ago. I don't think I've
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: ever spoken about since. It was an old colleague and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: she and a bunch of other couds were caught up
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: after a few years what are And they're all talking about,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know, having about the baby and having the baby
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: shower and who was coming to the baby shower and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And I went, oh, my god, you're pregnant. That's fantastic.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Just no, it's not me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And I can promise you it is as bad as you're. No,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it's worse than your There was just no coming back
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: from it. There is just none, none, none, whatsoever. I'm
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like no, no, it's not that. You know, I just
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: heard you talking and I thought it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Was it's not that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: There's no, there's no, it's not that you look at
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but not you look great. You look and there's and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: just the whole like you know, the rest of that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the part. And honestly, if looks could kill, I got guillotine.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you can ask other questions like when did
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you last have a drink? Or are you eating soft
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: cheeses at the moment, some sushi, some little indicators, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: let's not discount maybe she'd had a bad vindaloo or
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: something the night before and she was a bit bloated
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and they thought she.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Was I should let you say that to her made
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: everything better? You pregnant or you just bloated.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: For the other day, or any other food for that matter.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: But for the only uninitiated, Jet two is like a
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: package holiday airline in the United Kingdom, and well, judging
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: by some of the videos I've seen online, this is
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: not the worst thing that you did.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: To Nothing beats the jet to you holiday.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And right now you can say fifty pounds per person, that's.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Two hundred pounds off for a family of four.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: We've got millions of free child place holidays available with
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: twenty ten kilograms of baggage included.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I thought that chap was being chucked off for US
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: woman if.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: She's kind of like a jet Star Kenticky tour to.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Bow oh dear, if you're going to go on a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Kentucky too, though one place you might not want to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: go at the moment is New York. Of course you
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: would have seen this. Mam Danni Bloker, as I call
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: him Mad Manny in New York, who won the Democratic
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: primary for the mayor of New York. The election the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: full election will be later in the year, and his
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: competitor in that race was Andrew Cuomo, who's the former
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: governor of New York where he's come out today, put
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a video out and confirmed that he will be running
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: against Man Danny.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: Only thirteen percent of New Yorker's voted in the June primary.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: The general election is in November, and I am in
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: it to win it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: My opponent, mister mound Arnie, offers select slogans but no
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: real solutions, So I guess the objective now is to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: try and split the vote. Eric Adams, who's the current mayor,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: will be running again mam Danni is an unreconstructed communist basically,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: so it'll be interesting to see whether or not from
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: here you could perhaps get enough of a vote for
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Adams and enough of a vote for Cuomo that you
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: stop the mam Danni train in its tracks. Well.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting because what Cuomo has said is that
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: by mid September, whoever is not the leading candidate should
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: drop out of the race, and so that's the condition
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: he's put out to all of the other candidates. Naturally,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: they're not as happy about this because he's leading against
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: them in the polls, but that essentially is what has
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: to happen if they want any chance at beating Mamdani.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: There has to be a single, unified anti communist ticket.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: But the problem is ma'm Danni is leading in every
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: published poll, which is truly astounding. The global capital of
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: a finance and business could potentially be electing a radical
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: socialist mayor in November, and it's looking rather likely. And
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: that's the problem. And the other perplexing thing here is
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: New York has about one point three million Jewish people,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: almost ten percent of the population, and Mamdani is an
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: avowardly anti Israel activist. That was basically the whole reason
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: he got involved in politics in the first place. So
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: it adds insult to injury that you're going to have
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: a radically anti Israel mayor in the largest Jewish population
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: center outside of Israel.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be controversial. I hope he wins. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: hope he wins, and I hope.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: They get what they want and they get what they.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Vote for and see what happens.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean this thing like the Greens, they
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: go and I hope the Greens never win, by the way,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because I live in their country.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Or they live in mind. Actually.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: But again it's kind of like Trump, like you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: as a made of mine, you know, has always said
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: he was living in Mexico during the first Trump presidency,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, all this attempt to sort of shut
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: down Trump, lock him out of the political system, prosecute him,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever, find any trick. He said, No, no, no, American
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: needs to get Trump out of its system. America needs
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to get Trump out of its system. And this is
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: what we're saying. And to be honest, we're seeing this
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: kind of work with Trump. We're seeing Trump come to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, more sensible positions on Israel, Iran, on Ukraine,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: on all these big ticket international lines. Forget about the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: tariffs and that crazy stuff that are not what he
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was sort of saying before.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: But he's had to do it because all the.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Crazy promises haven't worked, and so you do have to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: do what you know other people have been saying.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: It's the same with this guy. You want to say, Okay,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: he's going.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: To run all these state owned supermarkets that are going
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to deliver cheaper food to people and fun give it
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a go.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Let's so if that works, is going to do that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: The problem is that these deep blue areas end up
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: electing radical socialists mayors. They destroy the city, All the
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: rich people leave and move to Texas and Florida, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: they take their politics with them, and then they turn
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Republican areas into purple areas. It's like, guys, the problem
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: is that you're voting for Democrats if you're going to
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: leave Democrat areas essentially as economic refugees. The other parts
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: of the United States don't keep voting the same way.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And that's part of the problem. And you've seen it
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: obviously in the teeal phenomenon. Here. There needs to be
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a way to have a reckoning with people like if
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they keep going around doing that, I mean, they will
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: eventually destroy the entire country and then they'll have to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: look at somewhere else to go. But the problem is
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: along the way they will have destroyed it for the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: rest of us. And it is so concerning and funny
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in some ways to watch the way in which this
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: stuff has turned around now, which someone like man Dani,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: who basically openly speaks against the people who want to
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: vote for him every day, are getting. He's getting the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It is insane that people line up behind him. It's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the whole you know, chickens for turkeys for Christmas and chickens.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Well, the Democratic Party has truly been infiltrated by some
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: seriously radical elements. And it's not just Zora mum Dani.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: It's not just limited to the New York Democrats. Across
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: the pond in Rhode Island, another Democrat rap has completely
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: lost their mind. Enrique Sanchez called Ice the Nazi Gestapo.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: He said, the Nazi Gestapo thugs kidnapped another of our
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: neighbors in Providence this morning, this time on Alvason Street.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Oh no, who has who is his neighbor?
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: That the Nazi Gestapo ice have kidnapped well no less
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: than a member of the notoriously violent gang MS thirteen
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: and someone who has previously been charged with fentanyl trafficking
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: and he's already been deported once from the United States.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: And car, Yeah, the poor car. But this is the absurdity.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: You've now got a mainstream political party in the US
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: who is signing with foreign gang members and drug traffickers
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: ahead of law and order. I mean, do they want
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: to remain unelectable forever?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: We just kind of to your point. I think they
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: need to keep going down this line because if they
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: want to do it, and they want to try it
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: on and they think that this works and it's selectorally popular.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And keeping Martizo saying last night that the number two
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: issue at the presidential election, behind cost of living, was
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: border security. So I mean this stuff, not this stuff
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that he's saying that the Nazi Gestago he's a vote winner,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: but strong policy on the border is a vote winner.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: That's why Biden, you know, at the very end of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: his presidency started turning us all we got to do
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: is about the border, even though he was the one
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: who caused all the problems. But if they want to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: try this stuff on, just let him do it. Let
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: them go, let's see how it all ends up, because
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it ain't going to be anything that's good for them.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Well again, you know who elected Donald Trump? Young working
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: class men, young working class white men, young working class
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Hispanic men, and even I think a third young.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Black man as well.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So you know again, you know, turkeys for Christmas and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: black men really voting for this terrible, horrible racist if
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: he's really that racist.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: And who stands to lose the best the.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Most from illegal immigration, young classmen, because of course these
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: are the guys who are doing the jobs that the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: people coming in, who are overwhelmingly also young men, will take,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you know, low skilled or unskilled labor, doing cash and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: handwork for less instead of over the counter work with
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you know, not that America has many, but with the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: related benefits and stuff that can mean healthcare as well,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and so and so all these democratic elites, and you're
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, the party has been completely overtaken by millionaires
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: from New York who actually funded a study to try
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to find out what working classmen actually think and how.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: To talk to them. That's how out of touch they are.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And also and so out of touch that they think
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the way to get back in touch is to sit
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in a ritzy hotel room in New York and spend
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars on a start.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Just right, So what worries about me about this, just quickly,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: is that this same Rep. From Rhode Island in twenty
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: twenty three tabled a bill in the House of Reps
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: to allow illegal migrants to vote in US elections. And
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: that's the risk, right, you have this many legal migrants,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: you change the voting system, you essentially Jerry Mann to
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the country.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: So you will always get along with these Those.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Tools won't clean themselves, Frayerut, the calls won't clean themselves.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Why do you think Biden let them all in in
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the first place. You've got to get some payol or somewhere,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: don't you quickly before we get to the breaks and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: good news out of the United States, because it's probably
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: about time we had some after all of that. Of course,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: when RFK Junior was appointed the Health Secretary said he
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was going to make America healthy again. And they're succeeding
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: to some degree doing this. They've managed to get ninety
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  Speaker 2: percent the companies that make up ninety percent of the
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  Speaker 2: ice cream that's made and sold in the United States
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to do away with artificial dies. This is something that
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the government has been running strong on and they put
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: out a list of other companies. There were a long
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: list of changes that have been made recently. You've got
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: big companies like Pepsi saying they're taking out artificial ingredients
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: from their chips, McCormick dropping food dies, Mars removing titanium
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: oxide from Skittles, craft Hinds removing artificial dies from products,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Netsley doing the same thing. On and on it goes.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the dyes and stuff that have been available
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  Speaker 2: in food in the US and banned in much of
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the world for a long time because it's known to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: be carcinogenic is ridiculous. I can't believe very quickly, Joe,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: it's taken this long for them to wake up.
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  Speaker 1: Is it going to change the taste of any of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: these fads, like, because if it's not, what were they
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: just like deliberately trying to poisonous because the well by
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they're changing the recipe onto something all But.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I think that is a legitimate question because it's the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: same one you can ask about all the forever chemicals
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that are floating around him, frying pans and whatever else,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: because sure, there are other ways you could make these things.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It requires industrial change, and so why would you want
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to spend all the money doing that if you could
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: just keep doing things that are fundamentally bad for us
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and unhealthy, Because it's.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Like changing the password on your computer. No one wants
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Joe will give out his password after this. Speaking of
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: after this, we'll get into the newspapers, sort of text
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: messages between Mark Latham and the six partners. She was
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: using the card for a domestic barnas or that. In
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the next All right, let's get into the papers, starting
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  Speaker 2: with tomorrow's Australian.
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  Speaker 5: Let's kick it off.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: The headline at the top of the page is unswerving Unnerving.
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  Speaker 4: Xi Xijingping has told Anthony Albanesi his naval forces will
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: conduct exercises wherever they want in international waters, as the
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister called for more notice on PLA navy drills
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  Speaker 4: near Australia and urged Chinese president not to invade Taiwan.
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  Speaker 4: Hosting this to Albanesi in Beijing's Great Hall of the
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: People on Tuesday, China's Supreme Leader lauded the improvements in
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: the country's bilateral ties under Labor, calling for the Australian
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  Speaker 4: leader to unswervingly maintain the positive momentum in the relationship,
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  Speaker 4: no matter how the international landscape may evolve.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds nice.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: That's a little veiled reference there to the US and
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: then calling out China for their antics, which Albanezi has
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: been unable to do. But it doesn't sound like a
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: great success for Albanesi this meeting.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what I mean about seeming like g
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: has his balls in a vice grip because she is
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the big dog in this room. You know. He doesn't
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: go in there and muscle up and shirt front, as
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: one prime minister one said about another world leader that
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: being attorney abbit of Ladimir Putin, he doesn't shirt front
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the prime minister. But he is steadfast and strong, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: he makes it very clear what he thinks. And then
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Albanize sort of dances around it a bit and just
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: seems a bit like, oh, well, I'm happy to be here.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: He doesn't look like he has the same strength as Ujinpin,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and I know he doesn't have the People's Liberation Army.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's just slightly helpful, but it comes away looking like
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you are the inferior in that room.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I suppose that's just real politic though, And again I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: really like Tony Abbott and I'm not having at him.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But when he said, you know, I'm going to shirt
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: front Ladia putin what happened. It didn't change anything about
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: MH seventeen, didn't change anything about was MH three seventy,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: didn't change anything about you know, I didn't stop him
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: from invading Ukraine.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: A few years later, you know.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: When they actually ended up in the same room together
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: at the same event, at the same international conference, he
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: did not shirt front him. They just went and quietly
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: avoided eye contact. So again, it's all very well to
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: say what people should, you know, talk tougher or stand up,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but unless you've got the muscle behind you.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why the muscle that Alman Easy needs
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: behind him is increased defense spending.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: But this is the.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Predicament we're in where it's like, yeah, he says this stuff,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: but we don't really have any leverage.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: It's not great.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Another headline in the Australian Tomorrow, drugs rape in detention
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: center run by the muscle Australia's Anti Corruption Watchdong is
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: probing private sector security guards who exchanged bro hugs with
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: a violent detainee dubbed the muscle in an immigration detention center.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Whistleblower's claim is plagued with rapes, hard drugs and bashings.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: The National Anti Corruption Commission has informed the Department of
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Home Affairs these reviewing complaints that Circo security guards went
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: easy on the detainee who established himself as the standover
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: king at the Melbourne Immigration Detention Center.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: Wow, that does not seem very good.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I mean it seems like Victoria's don't great at detention center.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Victoria is just a failed state. And as a played Victorian,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I can say that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I must say though, it's probably the first time the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: word bro hugs has he ever been printed in the Australian.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I reckon, and I didn't know it was in the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: purview of the Anti corruption watchdog to go around probing
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: security guards or baggers getting the alien treatment.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Was it probing or probing AnyWho?
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the Daily Telegraph, greatest newspaper in the country,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and of course, as alluded to, it is the biggest
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: story in Australian politics right now, Mark Latham best Prime
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: minister we never had I think by universal acclamation mark
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of depravity, reads the headline. Latham rejects abuse allegations sexting
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in parliament, calls himself master unspeakable sex acts by James
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Idowit and James Willis, both great blokes, good friends of mine.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Former One Nation MP Mark Latham has denied allegations he
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: abused his ex partner Natalie Matthews part of me as
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: it is revealed he sent vile sects from the flow
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of New South Wales Parliament. Now these texts have been
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: published by the Daily Telegraph. I strongly recommend you go
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: to Daily Telegraph dot commodo are you and check them
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: out because we ain't reading them here.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I know it's after tinp but rules against this.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I think even after three am these texts are still
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: just a little bit a lottle bit and then read
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and seem to be in like just from the context
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: of the text themselves. These are not abusive texts, it
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: seems these are These are part of a reciprocal kind
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: of consensual seemed to be part of a consensual relationship.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: But again maybe not during question time, maybe not on
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the floor of Parliament, you know, just at.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Least go back to the office.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Well, and there are references to that in the in
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the messages as well. I must say that I did
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: find any If you read the full story, it's it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: got other members of the Upper House saying how shocked
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: they are that these messages were being sent from the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: floor of Parliament. I mean, to be perfectly honest, I
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: can't think of anywhere more appropriate for those kinds of
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: text messages to be sent, because they roger us every
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: day in power. You know, what's what's the difference, well done,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: What's that's the difference.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: That's right, So while the rest of us were getting
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: screwed in parliament, that's right exactly.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front of the advertiser to my
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: where it says gambling drugs rife in the AFL. More
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: than three quarters of football player agents say gambling is
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a problem for their players, according to a shocking survey,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: while at least half say drug use is an issue.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: In the cod Sports survey, football's biggest player agents revealed
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: hidden battles facing the league's players, with seventy six and
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: a half percent saying gambling was a concern and fifty
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: two point nine percent saying drug use was an issue.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's a great shock, to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: be perfectly honest. I suppose we don't see it in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: these sort of numbers very often. But you're talking about
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: young men, and that's the very young men who've basically
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: come straight out of school. They go into high paying jobs.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: If they don't have the proper supports around them, of
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: course they're going to go astray. Because you give a
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: young man a lot of money and make him a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: celebrity and every girl wants to talk to him. He's
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: going to get up to know good. So I think
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: they've got to keep an eye on these kids a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: bit better. And the drag thing in AFIIL in particular
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: annoys me no end because the AFL has deliberately covered
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: up drug use in the league by allowing players to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: have drug tests done by the club and then the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: club doctor, of course, can't tell the club what the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: test is because player doctor confidentiality, and then they get
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: pulled out. I'm telling you, look at certain clubs and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: certain players who've missed games this year and they're out
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: for a week and they're back the next week, no injury.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: It's very curious.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very shocking.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: And also the mental health statistics in this survey and
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: the numbers of footy players that struggle with depression. It's
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: really sad because they do have this very short career
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: and then a lot of it don't go.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Well, what do I do after this?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I met I am a XAFL player who had a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: massive gaming problem, lost absolutely everything. A lovely bloke and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that and his wife. He when I spoke to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: him was years ago for a documentary and he spoke publicly.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: He is not even allowed was not even allowed to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: carry money. He could not even have cash in his
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: pocket because he knew he couldn't trust himself to do it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Like there was.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Carrying cash was like carrying I saw heroine crazy anyways.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: So sad well, moving on to the cans post now.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Climate case fails in court. This is a very interesting story.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: A federal court justice has found the government did not
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: have a duty of care to protect the Torros Strait
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Islander people from climate change, as he dismissed a landmark
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: case in October of twenty twenty one. Torros Strait Islander men,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Uncle Pabai pa Bay and uncle Pabaikaby filed the Australian
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Climate Case against the Commonwealth of Australia for failing to
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: protect Torres Strait Islands from the impacts of climate change.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: This is huge because if they did establish a duty
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: of care, the next step would then be to sue
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: the government for negligence and allowing climate change to exist,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: and it would open up this massive can of worms
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: that will cost taxpayers billions.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Well, thank god the court has made the right decision.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Boris Johnson, I'll tell you
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: what he's been having a lot of fund since he
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: left the Prime ministership in the United Kingdom. He's up
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to a bit more to show you what he's been
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to the recently. All right, time for one of our
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: favorite segments that we like to call a Time of
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the day, and today's entry is a chap by the
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: name of Flynn Bosner who decided a couple of years
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: ago that he would avail himself of all of the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: COVID relief that was available for businesses, etc. Except he
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: didn't just take the money for himself. He pretended to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: be twenty three different people, all of whom were mates
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: of his. Also using other names that he found on
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Facebook and searching for employees on Google. For heaven's sake,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: he managed to rule the taxpayer of ninety two thousand,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars which he had. This feller is from
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Bandura in Victoria, by the way, in Melbourne. He then
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: managed Flynn Arthur Bonser, who pleaded court pleaded guilty in
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: court on Monday. Spent all the money on Hooker's booze
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and gambling, which is not all bad. You know, he
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: had fun with it, but it's not a bad job
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: on our dime.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Is it. Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I've got to say, as time goes on, and as
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that the COVID payment scheme was the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: most robust.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're pretending to be twenty three different people,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you're going to get called it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I would have thought by about the twentieth you were.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Surely there must be some kind of read of flags somewhere.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Quite an absolute idea.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I'm just glad he got caught, but yeah, it does
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: make you wonder how many more of these people are
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: out there on our money. Another funny, funny story you
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: might remember a couple of years ago. Two years ago,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: there was a disastrous drone show in Melbourne over the
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Yarra River. Just thirty seconds into this drone show, four
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty seven drones lost control and torpedoed themselves
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: into the river. Now, it was a complete spectacular failure.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: It's a good thing we don't manufacture drones for walk because.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: That would end very badly.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: But after a two year long investigation, it has been
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: concluded that the organizers failed to account for the wind.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Oh two years to figure out maybe we should think
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: about the walls.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: We spare me the scientific mumbo jumbo and just give
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it to me and plain English doc. And just before
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: we go, here is a man who is living his
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: best life. It is none other than Boris Johnson. And
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: we know he likes to party. He partied all through
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the COVID lockdown when the rest of the nation sadly
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: put it. And the good news is he's still partying today.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: No jeers, how can you not love that guy? Can
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: you not love that guy?
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Directed Peter Velandi's You've got to get on the phone
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: to Boris Johnson, get him to the Everest this year
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: to sing Sweet Caroline before the big race that is
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the winner. Thanks for joining us, and I'd coming up
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: next to read a panicky show.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: Good Night,