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Episode 176 - When is it OK to lose? · Get Your Shoot Together Photography Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This week's episode is brought to you by our friends at RetouchUp.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Get your Shoot Together the photographer's podcast where we discuss studio business life and keeping it all in line.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kira Derryberry and I'm Mary Fitzsaler.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Hi, mary Fitzsaler.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Hello, let me get my Dr Pepper here.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: It's already been a morning.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: It has been a morning.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's also.
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  Speaker 1: I just got in from Vegas yesterday, so it's also.
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  Speaker 1: I was there just long enough to adjust to the time difference.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, that's okay, that's okay.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: I had an amazing, amazing trip.
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  Speaker 1: I always like Vegas.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those weird people that likes Vegas, like I don't gamble, but I love Vegas because I love just I don't know all of it the restaurants and the shows.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: And we saw Dead Company.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: We saw Adele Holy moly, she was freaking amazing.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: I bet that was amazing.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Was she in the same?
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  Speaker 1: Was she at Caesars, caesars, caesars?
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so we went for the Dead and Co show because they were at the Sphere, and you know, I'm a big grateful dad.
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  Speaker 1: That's when I, like my OG group, and I love, love, love, and so Jax and I had seen the final tour and then they announced the Sphere and I was like the Sphere guys, if you're into theatrics and music, and it's just amazing, it's just amazing and, um, visuals visuals possibly aided by definitely nothing that you would smoke or take no, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, you could be completely sober and be.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: You can be completely sober and it'd be incredibly trippy in there.
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  Speaker 1: Trust me, um, trust me, but, uh, obviously do what you need to do.
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  Speaker 1: But, um, it was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next day, um, we were just walking around and we I wanted to show Jax, um, I don't know where we were gonna have dinner that night and we were kind of walking through Caesars and we're like, oh, adele's still here.
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  Speaker 1: And some lady goes, oh, are you looking for tickets?
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  Speaker 1: And we're like, well, I mean, I guess we would definitely love to go.
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  Speaker 1: And she goes I have two tickets and she wasn't like somebody just calling it outside.
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  Speaker 1: She goes, I just walked up.
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  Speaker 1: My son is a high roller here at Caesars and he got six tickets and his brother and his brother's girlfriend didn't make it in Do you want to buy these tickets?
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: And girlfriend didn't make it in do you want to buy these tickets?
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how much?
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  Speaker 1: And she sold them to me exactly what it would have been if we bought them.
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  Speaker 1: They were free for her son.
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  Speaker 1: So she was thrilled.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bought them, exactly like what it would have cost if I could have actually gotten them on, you know, ticketmaster when they were on sale.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: So I didn't pay, you know which?
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  Speaker 1: You know I'm not about doing, by the way, yeah, but um, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we just kind of lucked into that and, holy moly, that was a neat surprise.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect that, but that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: She was phenomenal, like so funny, and it was also the next day.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of a lot of got a little bit of a news splash.
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  Speaker 1: There was a heckler in the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Um, it was Jax, no, it was not jacks.
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  Speaker 1: Um, there was a heckler in the audience because she was talking about happy pride and, um, all this stuff, and sorry, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, she's like happy pride, and somebody made some pretty nasty slurs and boy, did she pop off.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you come on?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, she goes, wait a minute.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: Did you say whatever?
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna repeat what the guy said, but did you say that at my show, at my show, you came to my show to to make fun of, you know, a pride and she's like, and she said, get the f out of here.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, get him the f out of here.
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  Speaker 1: And she had him removed, rightly so.
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  Speaker 1: Bye friend, bye, not friend.
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  Speaker 1: Look, if, no matter what your uh opinion, I mean I don't respect that opinion, but if you don't, if you're, if you're not into the gays and days, keep it to yourself.
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: Well, just don't, don't.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't go somewhere, I wouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just be honest, I wouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: I would never wouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just be honest, I wouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: I would never go to a Trump rally, I just wouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: But I would not go with the sole purpose of heckling people that are there because that's what they believe in.
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  Speaker 1: It's a free country.
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  Speaker 1: You should believe the way you want to believe.
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  Speaker 1: I can feel the way I want to feel, but it's not my job to tell you how to feel.
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  Speaker 1: It's not my.
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  Speaker 1: It's my job to live.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Like now, that's not saying I'm going to live in my.
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  Speaker 1: You know my little world over here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I will be vocal if you come on my page or in my space, I'll be vocal, but if not, I try to let you know, let people do them.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: I try.
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  Speaker 1: It's not always easy, but I try.
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  Speaker 1: So coming to an Adele show and being a heckler just seemed like a really dumb idea, because whoever paid to sit in those seats, he got removed, like he was ejected from the audience.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: And I was there for it.
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  Speaker 1: I was not sad.
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  Speaker 1: Why pay money to go to an Adele concert and then yell at Adele, it's not cheap.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean just the.
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  Speaker 1: The tickets were anywhere from $250 to, you know, $600 for sale, like, not resale.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, that's just what our show is garnering.
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  Speaker 1: It's the end of her residency too, so she's almost done and yeah, so I don't know, I can't imagine that was.
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  Speaker 1: I envisioned that this being somebody kind of drug their partner or their boyfriend or something there.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not realizing, and then he just had too much to drink and he just popped off Like I don't, can't think that was planned, because you would really have had to plan that, because you had to plan to make sure you were first.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: How can I get just close enough to her so she could keep me?
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really, oh, my God, it was so disappointing.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a disappointment and it was the.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: But the show was great.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: The dead was amazing.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: Actually enjoyed John Mayer more than I think I've ever enjoyed John Mayer in my life.
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: Oh Well, he's a phenomenal guitar player.
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: He is a phenomenal, but he was excellent.
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  Speaker 1: He was better seeing him at the sphere I he was so on.
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  Speaker 1: He was looked so healthy, like.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, I was very, very impressed and the graphics were really cool.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things they did a lot of is they did a whole kind of montage of some of their famous shows where they were.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: So you were sitting there and it felt like you were in at Cornell University in Barton Creek or it just felt like you were at that show and some of the shows I actually was at.
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: So it was really cool to sit there and go wait a minute, kind of like time travel.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: Am I in RK Stadium in 1984?
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  Speaker 1: Is that where I'm at right now?
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: That was neat, that was really neat.
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  Speaker 1: So Vegas did not disappoint man.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: We did a lot, we crammed a lot into a few days, and so it was a lot of fun.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: So anyway, well, that's cool, but a little jet lagged, but I'm happy to be home and yeah.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: So now that I've rambled on about my weekend.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: Let's take a pause for the cause and we'll come back and we'll dig into some business stuff.
• 7:07
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• 8:07
  Speaker 1: So some disappointing things happened.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I lost two fairly big quoted out gigs.
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  Speaker 1: They were quotes that you, so they contacted you via whatever you quoted it out yeah, had you ever worked with them before?
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: No, okay, so they weren't existing clients.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: They weren't existing clients.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: They had come to me word of mouth and actually one of them was kind of I don't know how you look at it.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: There's a marketing firm that I work with quite a bit and the video company that they were working with I have worked with also before, but I've never been hired by the video company to do anything.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: So you know it tends, you know, we work in the same circles, you know so.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: So with that one I had already booked it, like uh, but we couldn't settle a date and they said, yeah, quote's approved.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: I say already booked it, quote is approved, which doesn't necessarily mean booked Quote is approved, but we need to do it within this week.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: What is your availability on days?
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, at the moment, here is the availability on days, but we need to get this nailed down because I can't, until we've got this, you know I can't hold them, you know.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: So it was a whole week I was having to hold because they were still working with the client trying to figure out which day of that week right, and so meanwhile I don't hear back for a week or so and I have another very good client go hey, we're doing a big project.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: That project we did last year, we're doing it again this year and we're going to need two days in the studio, the week of blah, blah, blah.
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: And that is the same week that the other company had asked me for, and so they are ready to go.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: I know what that job is.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: We we booked two dates that week, so we still have three dates that week.
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  Speaker 1: So they come back and they go hey, we wanna do the 27th.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the 27th, of course, is the day that I've already booked for the bank that I work with.
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  Speaker 1: And so I said oh, I'm sorry that that got taken, but here are the remaining days.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: They said, oh, is there any way you could do it this other day?
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: No, the bank took that day too.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was like but you know what?
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: I can do it on the 25th.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I can do it on the Friday, which I'm normally, you know, trying to stay, not working on.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: I can do it these days, could you come back and let me know?
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: They came back and said you know what?
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: We're just going to have to bring in another photographer, and you know.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, thanks, thanks so much.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: So that was a bummer, you know, because you know I can't tell the longtime client that I work with every single year that I can't do these dates because I might book them, for I don't want to mess up that client.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: That's long term.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: But then I feel bad because maybe I should have reached out to the other client going hey, I got a client trying to book these dates.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: You know, can we nail this down?
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: So that was disappointing.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: And then the other one was like a big real estate, not a firm, but like a association, and they wanted me to come in.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: This doesn't make sense to me, mary.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: They wanted me to come in and be available all day for two days.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: And I said how many people are we photographing?
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: And they said six.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: What, yeah?
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like and just headshots, right, just headshots for these six.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a video production company coming and and everything else.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what?
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe we don't need to do two days.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: I could get all these guys done.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: If they're all there, I can get them all done.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: And you, yeah, and even if they're staggering in, I'm close by, so I can leave a setup and then come in, be available, whatever they said, no problem, we're just trying to get our ducks in a row.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that sounds great.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: I get an email that says, hey, we're going to go ahead and bring in our other photographer, mainly because they can be available for two, for two solid days.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh okay.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, did I misunderstand what they were asking me?
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: I?
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: That's why I got clarification.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, really, two days, we could get them done in the morning, you know, or in the afternoon or in an hour.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, did they want to pay for?
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, they wanted to pay for, they wanted to pay for two days.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe they just overestimated you know how much I would need to be there.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Like, maybe, but I don't know, maybe I should have got more.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: It just seems so ridiculous to me then.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: And when I said, hey, I can do this in a morning, she was like, and I didn't say I couldn't do it for two days I said you don't need me for two days.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I said.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: I was like you don't need me for two days, you only need me for a couple hours, if that I mean really for six people, I could do it in 30 minutes, you know.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, and they showed me examples of what they wanted and it was just like on a gray background, like I.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: There was nothing complicated about what they wanted.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: So that doesn't sound like they know what they wanted.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like they know what they needed.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Like that doesn't sound right.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: Or it sounds like no offense and I don't know who they're.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: They're working with somebody else who is not as maybe whatever, and that's what they need, like I don't know, I don't know.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: But I was just kind of like okay, so it just kind of blindsided me a little bit.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: And you know how, like, look, part of the problem that I have is that I booked right, so that's part of the problem, and I'm not available at a moment's notice to come in for two days straight.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: You know, like that's you know.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: And the other, you know, if I have a client that books a date, they book the date before you.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: If you nail it down, right, fair enough, yeah, so I mean, on one hand, is there a problem, right?
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: No, no, but it hurts, it feels like there's a problem because it's two in a row.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: You know, like that's I'm trying to convince myself there's not a problem here, like it's okay that I didn't book that job with the video production company.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: It's okay that I didn't book, you know, I mean cause the video production company one that was the big loss, cause it was an out of town, you know, it was like two hours away, you know, to do that job.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: So you know it wasn't, it wasn't a small price tag, but and that one did not work out because that one didn't work out, because they couldn't get you when they needed you.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they told me they were looking at a date in a week and I ended up booking the two days that they were looking at, and so they already went with another photographer.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I even came back and said, hey, if I can talk to my other clients, see if they are more flexible, is it too late for me to go ahead?
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: And evidently they'd already booked somebody.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: They said, no, we've already booked, we've already lined somebody up.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow, thanks for waiting.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think they let me know as soon as they had already done it.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Like I think they let me off the hook after they had secured somebody else.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, I don't know, but there's not a problem, it's.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: It's.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: It just feels like there's a problem.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Well, there feels like.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: There feels like, because you're not used to that, is that what it is?
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: No, it's just when somebody cancels yeah, I'm not used to that, you know what I mean like, like, when I've already got something locked, it feels like it's pretty locked down.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: We're just trying to land, land the plane and then, and then it goes away so quickly.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: It's not, it's a problem in that I'm not going to, I'm not going to land that plane, but I'm not landing it because I'm busy, you know.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: So is it a problem?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's, that's, that's what I'm contending with.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm asking is it a problem?
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like a problem, but I don't really know how to fix that problem when it's just the problem is is that I'm in demand and that sounds real, that sounds real crappy, but you know, I mean it's.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: It just feels like a loss.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: It feels like I lost some money and I don't like that.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: But I don't have a clone, don't like that, that's the problem.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't have a clone, so I can't make two of me.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: But should I have just blocked that whole week until they told me and then put the other client on hold?
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's my question, I guess Should I have?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Did I do myself a disservice by going ahead and just without question, letting that longtime client book those dates, dates you know?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know the answer because, like, I don't know, like is it, is it?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Would it have been so much more money?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: The other one that you know what I'm saying, I don't know, like, what are we talking about?
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Like you mean, go back to your existing client, who you done this for all the time, and see if they could improve the dates to accommodate the new client.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, should I have asked the first client to be, I mean my longtime client to be more flexible, even though that longtime client, it's not just this job they give me every year.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I work for them every month for the most part, you know.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And so, like, I've always prioritized them because you know they're loyal, they give me a lot of money and over the course of a year, and I, you know, want to reward that, you know, with by being, by being there.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: If I'm their photographer, I want to be there.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I don't want them to find somebody else.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: That would suck if they were like, well, we can only do this date and we had to call in some, some new person that charges less than you and, you know, does the same job.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, um, so I don't.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: That's why I did it, that's why, without question, you know, but now I'm questioning whether or not I should have, um, juggled them a little bit better, you know, but I mean, I don't know, I don't know, I mean I think when that you know you have that existing client.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of hard to you know, right, like, that's like, but I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Either way, I'm not going to make as much money as I thought I was going to make this month, and that's, and that's okay, because there's just only so many days in the month, you know, and I hate having to shoot every single day.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: That makes me Well, there's only one of you, like how, like you can't.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: There's only one of you, it's not like, you know what I'm saying.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Like you're going to lose jobs.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to lose jobs.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: There's only one of me and it was apparently that week was very important to somebody.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, I, I don't know, but I always the weeks where I have something booked like every single day, like where I have two days of headshots at the studio and then I've got like location work all week, I'm, I'm exhausted, like it's just, I feel like I can't breathe.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, even if I had booked the out of town job and you know, I would have probably felt overwhelmed that week and like my mental health would have struggled.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Like that's possible, you know.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: So maybe I'll look at it so much.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's just like, it's just so much.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And it's summer, lucy's home, she doesn't have anything to do, so I would have had mom guilt too about not being able to you know, you know, you know be more flexible for her, and you know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to convince, and here's what I'm doing.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm talking myself into being this is fine, like this is probably the best, you know, but I get it, I mean, I absolutely understand.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, and it is okay, by the way, like it, yeah, you're right, it's okay, I mean, that's fine, no big deal, but still it's like I mean I get it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, will they call again's?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Like I mean I get it, I mean, will they call again?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Like that you start to wonder like, oh, will they?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Will they want to try to work with me again?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: You know it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Just, you want to have that experience with working with somebody, for you know, and it goes so well that it's a no brainer to call you again.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: So now, now I feel like I've missed that opportunity to like, bring in those two new people, two new clients, to be like, look, I'm so great to work with that you won't even question calling me for the next job, you know, and so that's.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the bummer about it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: It's especially the video production company.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: While I have worked alongside them before, I've never been brought on by them and I, they have lots of clients that I would love to be brought in, you know, brought into um.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you know, it just feels like a missed opportunity, right?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: So, because that's the one that you couldn't make the dates work, yeah, I don't know how you could have worked around that, like you, just it is what it is.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I mean you, you have, you have, you had.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: They didn't book.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: It just took them too long to pull the trigger right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It took them too long to yeah to find it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that does suck, I get it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't get it from that like I get it because I probably more from like weddings, like you know what I mean.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Like I get like a really great referral and I think, oh, this one that you just this interview, it went great, everything's great.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And then when they don't book, I'm like, huh, what happened?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Like what happened, what happened?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or, or look at it this way If it was a wedding like you've got, you've got one large wedding and one medium sized wedding, and the medium sized wedding gets back to you about the date.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: They both want the same date and they get the date first because they book it first.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And then you're like kicking yourself because you're like, oh, if I'd held out, if I'd made them wait, I could have booked the large wedding.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But then you're running the risk of not getting any weddings.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: You know, like, you know on that date correct, and that's one thing, yeah, and and again, I'm in a little bit of a better situation because I, there are two of us, so I never have to, like, I never have to walk away from you know what I mean, because if I got you know what I mean, we, they could always book me for the bigger wedding, or there's two of us.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So it does make it a little bit.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: We have a little bit of an advantage, but it's still, it's still hard.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: No, I get it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I, I I don't know.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else you could have done.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Like it just sounds like A the bigger job, just it doesn't.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Are they being?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Is it like?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Is there an agency running the production or are they trying to do it on themselves?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound very organized, meaning it shouldn't have taken them that long to figure out.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: The agency that I work with all the time is running, as far as I know, is running it, and it's for a hospital in another town, right?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And so I'm surprised, usually it's the agency that's asking to book.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised that the video production company was working on it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: To be honest, oh, that is surprising, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Well then, that makes me think that the video company took the whole job and they're outsourcing the photography Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You're probably right about that.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I've done that before.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done that with video before.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely done that where I've taken the whole job.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I mean that big job we took earlier this year, that huge, you know made over big six-figure commercial job, I mean I outsourced all the video.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I do that with drone video work, you know.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so because I, you know, I'm not drone certified, I don't have a drone.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have a drone, but not one that I would comfortably take a job to do.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So probably the video company, and then they just they're working around their dates and then they, unfortunately they don't, I mean they're not going to maybe care as much about the photography end of it as they should, or I don't know, meh, just guessing on that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Well, darn, yeah, darn, it's a bummer, it's a bummer, it is a bummer, it is.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: But you know it will be fine because jobs come and go, you know, and yeah, you know it's.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Um, I just, you know, I was excited.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I always get excited for stuff that's going to be in advertising, um, because I get to see the work, and you know I mean, and if it's for a hospital, there's no likelihood that you'll get to see the work.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And you know I mean, and if it's for a hospital, there's no likelihood that you'll get to come back and do some more work for them and stuff.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh well, I know Our hospital is our biggest, one of our biggest clients.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, hospitals and hotels are probably our best Mm-hmm.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: This other job, I don't know, it was kind of a, I think, but who knows?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Well, darn Well, I don't think you could have done anything differently.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you certainly can't go back to your longtime client and say I guess you could have said, is there any chance we could move it?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But by that point it's.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: They probably already told all the people we're going shoot.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You know they've scheduled it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You know I don't, I don't schedule any of it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: You know they schedule it all.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's, it's a lot of work for them to have to move it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: If it was a small project, that might be one thing, or for one headshot, for a person, that'd be another thing.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: But it was not, it was.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: It was a big project that you know, I know, already know, and also it's kind of the devil.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: You know, I already know what's going to happen to that project.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I did it last year and they were so happy with it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: We're doing it again and it did take two days Because it's costuming.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: They're doing a it's for like a chamber retreat, chamber of commerce retreat, and everybody puts on a big sketch or something.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And so last year we did they all cosplays, like in 80s outfits and you know, by famous 80s movie characters, you know.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And so we, it was fun and we got to photograph everybody like that and then composite it all together for a big, oh cute, you know, a bunch of big cutouts and banners and stuff.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be fun again.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: They've picked another theme and we're doing that, and so you, you know That'll be great, that'll be great.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't we.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: What's going on around here?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: We're busy with families, which is great.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: There's a big uptick.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know You've been slammed with the world.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: It seems like you've got a ton of families.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lately.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Where did yours come from, you think?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Was it existing clients like coming back, or what made them come in?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Now it was well.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a combination of things, I think the senior market, like, okay, I had a lot of my clients we talked about before.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of my clients, their kids were, uh, that I'd photographed from years before they were growing up and they were moving on, you know, and so they wanted me to do their senior photos.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So we did some family work out of that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: But then I had several new clients that kind of came out of the woodwork.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: That ended up being really great, and several of those clients were because their parents, their grandparents, were aging and they wanted to make sure that they got some family photos in because, like you know, a recent diagnosis of dementia or you know what I mean, like you know, there was a lot of that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what the trend was, you know, as far as if there was a trend, but it may be just a coincidence, but it seemed like the theme was we better do this before it's too late this season for me.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: You know what about you, though?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I mean you always have you me, oh, okay, you know, yeah, what about you, though?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I mean you always have you know, a lot of yeah, it's that time of year, but well, I mean, honestly, it's the new.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot of new clients which I'm kind of.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm at, like I'm at a really interesting place where I'm like really trying to measure how many new clients I have coming in, because not that I'm not going to start keep.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course, I put 80 percent of my effort and energy into taking care of my existing clients 100 percent.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: However, I do need new clients because my clients are aging out all the things that we've been kind of talking about here and there.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So, um, we have for a long time, um, taking care of this very small private school, and not with real life, but like hey, it's like they've just been a long time, long, long time with the owner of the school as a client and when she opened the school we started doing it.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is about the school, but it's it's kind of like I guess it's kind of like Montessori but it's tiny.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of like Montessori but it's tiny.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: It's very international, I don't even know how to describe it, but most of the students there are, their parents are very high end professionals.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So we've kind of played around with doing something in the past.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But she came to us this year and she said, okay, I'm really ready to do something.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And they had an.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: They had a like a 20th, like a party, an anniversary, or maybe it was her 25th anniversary party.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And we said, I said, well, why don't we sell gift cards, you know, and we'll donate all the money?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So we went and that's what we.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I couldn't go, I was out of town, but Jamie went I think I was on the cruise with you guys Jamie went and he sold 12.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: So they bought them, the families bought them and then they can redeem them for a family portrait session.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So the good news is is because we're so close to that family, we were able Jamie was actually there and he took everybody who bought his information.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So we've been actively calling and setting up online consultations or in-person consultations and getting them scheduled like immediately.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to just sell them and be like, oh yay, we sold a bunch and then, you know, wait for the phone to ring, because we know how that goes.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So it's been amazing because we've been actively calling and booking the sessions.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So that's been great, like that's been really, really great.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So that's kept us trying to look at the calendar.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: So that ended up going like immediately.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: You know, we had Jamie had two sessions.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: No, he had one session this past weekend.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: We've got three this week, two next week, so for us that's a lot of stuff like that, yeah, and then we have some repeat.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: We have one of my favorite families.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: They just had a second baby, so they'll be bringing that baby in, so you know, but that's kept us pretty busy, which is is fantastic.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I don't know, I don't know what the trend is, I don't.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot it was Father's Day this weekend, not this weekend.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Next weekend, right?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, next weekend, is it this weekend?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Next weekend Is it the 7th?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: No, hold on, it's the 16th.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, shoot, oh God.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's the 60.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, shoot, oh god.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I know I was like darn, am I like losing it here?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Um, so that's been really really good, um, and the thing is, is that, like I know that these clients, I just know, because of the price point of the school, you know now whether they'll buy with me, who knows?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, because that does.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Just because they go to a very expensive school doesn't mean they're going to buy very expensive pictures, right, sure, so who knows, but hopefully they wouldn't buy the gift card if they didn't want a family portrait.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It's been nice.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And so that's 12 new clients.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And I also offered the owner.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I said, if you want to send an email out and make this available to everybody, even people that weren't able to attend, we can do that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So I think we're going to do that next week, so I might get a few more.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: That'll be good.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: That'll be good.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I need to be thinking.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I need to be following up with you're making me.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: You're reminding me that I need to be following up with a lot of those type of leads you're making me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: You're reminding me that I need to be following up with a lot of those type of leads.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: You know I've got that acting school that I went and did a bunch.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: All the students got headshots last year and so I need to follow up with them before the fall season starts, because we talked about building in the cost of the headshot into tuition so that it just came like every student got it, because it just came with tuition.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: So I need to like I need to follow up with a lot of that stuff.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'm so bad about just living in the moment.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: You know, and maybe that's why I'm like you know, let myself get so disappointed about losing stuff because it's in this month.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean and like.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But if I was better about you know feeling, you know feeling secure about long secure, about long-term things that are going on, you know what I mean Then maybe I wouldn't sweat that kind of stuff.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: You know those kind of thoughts.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's fair.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that that's true and it does.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I mean it's hard.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: It's hard to just be like oh, it's fine, it'll be fine, it's all fine, it's always fine.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it be fine, it's gonna be fine?
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, sometimes it just doesn't feel so fine.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So it's like, um, yeah, I get that, I get that 100%.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I don't know, I am, I, I think I do just have faith in the fact.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It's like every year we do.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I mean, but I don't know, I spend a lot of.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I spend a lot of my time.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'm the opposite.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I spend a lot of my time not living in the moment, just being worried about the future.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: The future.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: That's why we're a good balance.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: This school does that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: It's included in the tuition.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: So every child gets a portrait package, so that's like all included.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: She writes one big check like that's be like.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: That's the only, that's the only reason we keep doing it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And I knew one day like we've had some clients come over from that school.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's hard when you're in volume.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: This isn't the same as like a volume gig like this is just a little bit more elevated, almost to describe it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Um, so anyway, I'm really excited it's.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I did get 12 new clients at my door and within 30 days that's a lot of new clients for me.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: That's not normal for me.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's great, especially if the price tag on all of those clients are in the range that you're shooting for.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't be able to give the kind of service if it was much more than that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't be able to hand the kind of service that you're if it was much more than that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Like you, you wouldn't be able to handhold them in the way you need to.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so my first order is in and it came in at 93.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: So that's great.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and I have fantastic.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I have one quote out, but we'll see where it goes, we'll see.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to go for it or not, but we'll see, we'll see.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I had that huge order.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I posted on Instagram about it yesterday and I was unpacking all of it and I asked them we want to come install it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Obviously I want to come and hang it and do all the things and they didn't want me to, and so now I'm just like it makes me.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I don't like the feeling of like them coming to pick up like a bunch of pieces, cause it's for like their, it's the grandparents and then their kids, and then there's gifts for the grandchildren too.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: You know, so I understand not.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: You know doing all the eight by tens, framed, eight by tens that they ordered.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're just tabletop, you know.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But like you know, the canvas pieces they ordered, plus the, you know the photographic, you know the fine art photo pieces that they ordered, I'm going to hang them and now they're just going to come pick up just armfuls of stuff and, you know, just feel like I got to package it up by now and I got to make it all look all pretty and you know, otherwise we'd be bringing them over and we'd just be, you know, hanging it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder why they don't want you to install it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I guess they have their own installers, maybe I don't know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're not the biggest pieces, so they're not hard to install.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I just like to offer, you know, I offer that service for everything that we're doing, you know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So I mean, like, the biggest piece they ordered was like a, like a 24 inch, you know.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: So it's not, it's they're not hard to do.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It's just weird to not be doing them.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And it's also weird to have sold so many of them.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: You know, they ordered an eight by 10 for every grandchild.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: They ordered the large family portrait, like the extended family portrait, for every member of the family, like you know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And then they ordered, you know, pictures of the grandparents, like together, and then grandparents with the kids, and you know, like, so I mean, it's just weird to not see a project like that through when you sell all of it, you know, because I feel like it's not finished until it's on the wall and then in my mind, like I haven't, yeah, I get, I'm not completed, but um, but yeah, that will say you should have seen.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: You should have seen we did this install of the the really pretty, like the kids running uh, yeah, uh was 50 inch or 60 inch metals, um, that we installed.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, ian, I say we, my brother installed for me, and so that day we had three installs different houses that day and so we started with that one and those are on wire, you know cause they've got the metal inset metal and then they're on the wire and Ian prefers, if he's got to line things up, he prefers them to have those corner hooks that White House does, because they have a little bit of like give and so he prefers, if he's got to do an arrangement for them, to have the corner hooks.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But at that size they didn't work right.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So he's having to get them even and he's just going back and forth, back and forth trying to make sure he's getting it even.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Second house we went to they had three pieces that had to be even and they were all on wire because they were canvas and they were all on the wire.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know why White House doesn't offer that on the canvas, the framed canvas pieces.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: They offer it on all the framed photographic pieces that we do.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I know you guys frame all your stuff, so I know, but on the frames, on the White House frames, they have these two corner brackets that have this little shift ability so that if it's not quite like, you can lift it up one and not have to move the nails.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You know it's got these little gator teeth in it on the corner so they're really easier to work with when it's for an arrangement, you know, because you have a little play room to make sure you get it right.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but these didn't.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: They were the canvas pieces, canvas framed, and they had the wire.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And the wire was put on in three different spots like length.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: So we had to, you know, measure the wire on every single one.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And he had the homeowner watching him the whole time, like the dad just watching him the whole time, and he was like Ian, was like hangry and he was like trying to get it even.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And then the third house we went to it was the only piece we had that had the corner hooks on it and it didn't need to because it could have been wire.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So it was just like everything that he wanted didn't work out and he was stressed out all day trying to hang all that stuff and I just kept like being grateful that it wasn't me having to do that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, um, but yeah, it's just been.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You know it's been busy, it's been fun, it's been, but it's also been kind of like a hmm, I don't know, is it because I know, I don't know?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess I, I don't know, I think I'm just tired today, but, um, I, I, you know what today is for me.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Like I have a lot of like calls.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of calls.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like every hour I have something else I have to be on.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: You have a call Like a meeting or like a coaching.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been pretty low energy as well.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I went to the chiropractor this morning because I've been in so much pain and I know you weren't feeling well this morning too.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: So I just feel like we're just like both kind of like little men.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't know, I guess, and you know it's just, I mean and I have really, I mean, I'm nothing to complain about as a matter of fact.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I mean like I have booked more weddings this year than I think the past two years combined, which is crazy to me because I don't know that I want to.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know how I feel about it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Like it's all well and good when they're booking, cause we're I've kind of.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Only now I only really offer my largest collection and it's, you know, it's a lot of money and I think, well, you know, sounds like you need to raise the price of it.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I think we do.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I am not.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not thrilled.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not thrilled, not happy about it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Literally had to cancel.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to go to Bourbon and Beyond because Dave's plan this year oh, you're not going to go Booked a huge wedding.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a bummer.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I know it is a bummer because now it's getting in the way of my.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: It's getting in the way of my travels.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: No, I was getting in the way of my travels.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, you couldn't come to Ireland with us because you had a wedding.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: No, no, we have.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: We have, um, the Chowski beach week.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, you had a, you had a vacation.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: We already booked a beach vacation.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You planned without me.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: No, you were invited.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: You were invited, but you already had Ireland.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely Teasing, I know you are, um, that teasing, I know you are.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: That's going to be fun, though.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: That's going to be so fun.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Fsu's opening expo game Ours is at NC State.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Tdc's is at NC State.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Fsu's is in Ireland, in Dublin.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Much cooler, much cooler.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I know That'll be so fun.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: How many of y'all are going?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Honestly, that number right now it's just me and lucy and kevin, and then we have some friends that are that are gonna go, um, but they're not sitting with us, you know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So we'll see them, but you know they're not sitting with us.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Kevin got all these tickets because all of our friends were like we want to go, we want to go, and then it came down to it and everyone's like I don't know, I don't know if I can go.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: So I, it's okay, because he'll, they'll use them, you know.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, but but he kind of held on to a bunch of tickets so we could all be together or whatever.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: So now I don't know, I don't know, mary, it's just going to be fun.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that'll be fun, it will be fun.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: We love Ireland, right, right, right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And I think Ronan and Susan are going to go with us too.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So that'll be fun to see them there, because you know how Irish people love American football, don't they, though, don't they love American football.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: They're being sweet.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: We invited them and we were like, well, you know, it's very exciting, you know.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, I'm sure, yeah, this sounds terrible, they're so sweet, they are, they're very sweet.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: No, they did.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: They went to Jeff, made them go to a Red Sox game, oh, and the Red Sox won.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how to feel about it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't know what to say.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say because I didn't know what I was supposed to say.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Was it good, Was it bad?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Was that bad?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: No, that's not good, but it's okay.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Good for Jeff.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yankees are doing really well.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good for the Red Sox and Jeff, I guess I should pick a team, mm-hmm.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you got to pick the Yankees.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: You got the hat.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, I picked the Yankees.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I pledged allegiance to the Yankees.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: You have to.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: That's all it takes.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: That's it, okay.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I do like their style.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you would literally rock the Yankees hat Like, come on, you can't do a second.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I have a San Diego hat too.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: That's really cute, but I don't know what their mascot is the Padres, is that it?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Why do you have a San Diego hat, is that it?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm, why do you have a San Diego hat?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Because Kevin went to San Diego and it was cute and it has like a floral pattern underneath.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: It's cute.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I wear it to school, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm always afraid someone's going to ask me a sports question when I wear a sports hat.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I would.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would seem like a good guess.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Be like, obviously, well, they're not gonna ask you.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: The San Diego daddies?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Padres?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, daddies, not right, I don't.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I thought Padre means dad, padre's father.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it, yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Um, I think it's the San Diego daddies.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It's Spanish for father, but it's also Spanish for friar.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Sure, oh, you think it's biblical?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: No, Is it a bunch of monks?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, actually I think their mascot's a chicken, Don't they have a San Diego chicken?
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I got to look it up.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I for some reason feel like San Diego's mascot is a chicken, the San Diego chicken.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Why would it be a chicken?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a fryer, okay, no, no, originally it was the swinging fryer.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Since his return, some have confused the san diego chicken as the mascot of the padres, but it is in fact an actual fryer.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, it's a.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a muppet, it's a.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It's a guy in a suit.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: It's a.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a muppet, it's a.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's a guy in a suit.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: It's a big white.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It's a big white friar.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like a monk, like a, like, oh, so, that type of father.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So it is like huh, yeah, but they do have the San Diego chicken.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: That's a thing, right?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the people.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: That's what people?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's what people want the mascot to be.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Clearly oh no, oh no.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Now it says the last stand.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Is the San Diego Chicken gone?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I don't even know.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, anybody out there a Padres fan?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe you guys can help us understand the confusion on the mascot In 2023,.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: There's a YouTube video that says San Diego Chicken debuts as the Padres mascot.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, and, is the San Diego Chicken debuts as the Padres mascot?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, and is the San Diego Chicken still working?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: He is recovering from a hip replacement that will sideline him until 2024.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: They couldn't find another chicken man, or is that the story?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this fryer guy Like.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of baseball games.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of baseball.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of baseball.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: This creepy looking fryer man, this Padre, I don't like it, I'm not having it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, I'm not having it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just stick with the chicken and I'm sorry, I'm sorry about your hip, mr San Diego.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Chicken man Giannoulis, mr Giannoulis, who is the same?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Is it a man?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ted, okay, ted, okay, well, sorry, ted.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the two worst people to discuss a sports mascot.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, I mean, I feel like I'm a little better.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, I mean, frankly, thank God we have you, because I need some guidance.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have something to add.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I know I texted David the other day.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I was like 14 more Saturdays till college football.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: He was like heck, yeah, yay, it's a swing, yay, something I would never text you the swinging friar, the swinging like he's swinging, like, hey, like swinging, he's got like a baseball bat.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I was thinking different kind of swinging which didn't sound right at all, because he's a priest, he's a padre, his father, like, isn't he a monk?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: He's a monk, he's a big white monk with a big chin, with a big chin and a big nose, and a big nose.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He looks like Peter Griffin.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: It's just a weird choice.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I get that it's a Padre, I guess that it's the Padres.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: But I feel like I just hope at some point someone now asks you about the mascot for your San Diego hat, because if not, I feel like we really have missed an opportunity.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: They've missed an opportunity they have because, honestly, I have all kinds of knowledge you know so much.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You're like well, actually it's the swinging fryer, but he actually it's the San Diego chicken, but he's got a hip replacement, he's having a hip replacement and he'll be sidelined until his debut in the 2024 season.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So he should be back Right, right, right.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I bet you he's back, right, right, right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: But is it the chicken and the fryer?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: See, I want to know.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Are they both out there?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I've already.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I'll ask, I'll ask.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know who.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I'll ask.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: They probably have some fans maybe.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, if anybody out there is a San Diego Padres fan, can you answer the mascot question for us Padres and ask us if they would consider changing it to the San Diego Daddies?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, I want it to be that.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: That would be great.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Now, what would it let mascot look like?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Let's explore.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to know what the San Diego Daddy's mascot would look like.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest, I don't know if that's a good idea.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's not a good idea.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's a no.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: That should be a no.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I'm taking, I'm taking suggestions for what the mascot would look like.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, all right.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Well, there, there you guys.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: There you have it guys, there you have it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Um, breaking news.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I apologize.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like we should have.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know, I just don't.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't don't have.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That's it, it's all gone.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, listen, I just don't have much today.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of little things, yeah, a lot of little things.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, so, just, my whole thing is that following up and really following up with that school has been amazing for me, cause that's something that I kind of dropped the ball on, Cause I've been talking about it, talking about it, talking about it, talking about it Like I had been talking about, like, oh, I need to follow up with her, we need to do this fundraiser, because I know that those type of things work Like I just I know they do.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I know my client, you know what I mean.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Like, I know my ideal client, I know my ideal client's there.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: It just for some reason it three years to do it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Hmm, well, that's okay, and sometimes it's okay.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it has to be right and that's, and that's.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That's.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: The answer today is, you know what?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's okay, sometimes it just has to be okay.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: That's what we're going to go with.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It has to be okay and it has to be okay.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Now, um, you, I can't get past San Diego Daddies.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's not.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: No, that's not going to happen.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: What if Get your Shoe Together had a mascot?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: What would that mascot be?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: You know what, let's take some.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I think anyone who's listening today.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I would like to know what that mascot would be.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I would love to know your like, if we were to have a suited figure, like somebody.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: If it was a baseball, like a fuzzy, like a fuzzy thing, yeah, if we had to get your shoe together, um character or item because you know, sometimes it's an item I feel like it'd be like a very animated, um, afro spritz, just a big orange glass with a straw, could be, could be, yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So I'd love to hear what our listeners think that our mascot could be, should be.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll adopt it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: If it's that good, maybe we'll figure out an official mascot, something cute.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: What would that be?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to think about that now too.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I mean it could be like, obviously it could be an animated dollar bill, because I'm all about making the Benjamins.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you just said that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Why did I say it like that?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, yep, I'm here for it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I want to know everybody's suggestions for what our potential mascot could be.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mary will not approve the Get your Shoot Together, daddies.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: She's not going gonna approve that.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Or or the get your shoe together, white peter griffin months.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, and I'm not a I'm not a big, I'm not a big cat person.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Oh rude, okay, well, no dogs, no dogs, that's fair.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like we can't have a dog or a cat.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: So no dogs, cats or daddies.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to apologize in advance for wasting y'all's time today.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I swear to God we'll do better next time.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've wasted any time.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I think I'm just jet lagged.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I actually saw somebody post the other day and they're like I want a really serious podcast, not just a bunch of girls I think they used the B word Not just a bunch of girls I think they use the B word, not just a bunch of bees just chit-chatting.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Who has time for that?
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, girl, me, I've got all the time in the world for that, because you know what Life is hard and sometimes it's funny.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's funny and sometimes you just got to talk about it Like, yeah, yeah, shout out to Joyce Lynn, because she messaged me, you can absolutely replace the batteries in your Apple AirTags.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Now, joyce Lynn messaged me that because we talked about that in the last.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yeah, I didn't even know how you do that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you gave me.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Well, evidently, but this is Joyce Lynn.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Here lies the problem.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I already ordered more, so you threw them away.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you said that you couldn't replace the batteries.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I ordered new ones.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Don't listen to me, I don't know.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: You called them the San Diego Daddies.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to forever call them the San Diego Daddies.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I refuse, as you should, but that still can't be your team.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: We still have to be a Yankees fan.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: At least we can agree on the Yankees.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Well, what about?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: When we're on the East Coast, we're a Yankees fan and when we're on the West Coast, we're a San Diego Daddies fan?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: No, it's not a coast thing, kira.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, do they play each other?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: It's like football.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: It's not like football.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: No, it's not like football.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: No, it's not like that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: It's.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: It's not like that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: They are in divisions, but it's like the american league and the national league.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: It's across the country.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It sounds like the same thing.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: It's not, kira, because like, it's not like the southeast and the acc and the big 10.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: This is like you're in one or the other league, national or, and you could be from california to maine, even even though Maine doesn't have any baseball teams, but like the Blue Jays, canada's slipped in there.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, those are Canadian, the Blue Jays.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, the Toronto Blue Jays.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't know they were.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know what are the Bears?
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Is that a football team?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: That is actually.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears is a football team.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I just remember team.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: You remember that sketch on SNL where they said Da Bears and Da Bulls and Da Bulls.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: But the Bulls are basketball, bears are football.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And then Chicago has two MLB teams the Cubbies, the Cubbies and the Chicago Lincoln Logs the Cubbies and the.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: The Chicago Lincoln Logs close.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: White Sox oh okay, yeah, the White Sox, yeah, close.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you knew the Cubbies.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: The Cubbies is a good one we should go to.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: So do I.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: That was the first baseball game where we took Jax to and he called them the Cubbies.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: A good one.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I just like saying Cubbies, we should go to, so do I.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: That was the first baseball team baseball game where we took Jacks to and he called them the Cubbies.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: He was like three or four and he had his Cubbies hat and he loved the Cubbies hat.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: See, that's an adorable mascot.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: It is, it is an adorable mascot.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: So that's why you maybe have the bear.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: It is a bear, though, and they didn't like do some other thing, like, yeah, it's not like a, it's not like a tiger cub or something.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a bear, bear, cub.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, well, now you got me down.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Now I, what do I know I?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bear, it's an actual like bear.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: It's Clark Clark the bear.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: That's his name.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
• 54:32
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