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Breaking News: Cult Mom Lori Vallow children duct taped, wrapped in plastic, dismembered · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tyley Ryan are dead. We may have
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Speaker 1: thought so all along, but now we know. We know
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Speaker 1: that their remains were destroyed and buried in the backyard
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Speaker 1: of CULTMM Laurie Valo's new husband's home. What now, Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, How does it all unfold and
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Speaker 1: what is the next step? I Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. The month's long search for
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Speaker 1: seven year old JJ Valo in seventeen year old Tyleie
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Speaker 1: Ryan officially comes to a close. The human remains found
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Speaker 1: on Chad Dayville's property are officially identified as the missing kids,
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Speaker 1: the Rexburg Police Department announcing the findings earlier today following
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Speaker 1: autopsies performed in Boise. The remains were found at day
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Speaker 1: Belle's home in Salem Tuesday after a search warrant was issued.
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Speaker 1: Authorities have not released details about the conditions of the remains.
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Speaker 1: Rexburg Police, Fremont County sheriff deputies, along with the FBI,
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Speaker 1: made the discovery in day Belle's backyard. Day Belle has
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Speaker 1: been arrested and charged with two felony counts of concealment
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Speaker 1: or destruction of evidence. What where's the murder charge? What's
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Speaker 1: the hold up? You find two dead children's bodies beard
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Speaker 1: in your backyard? And why don't you hear this? And
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Speaker 1: text messages Chad day Bill sent to his then wife,
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Speaker 1: now dead, Tabby Dabille. He talks about how he had
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Speaker 1: to put down a raccoon. It was no raccoon, it
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Speaker 1: was seventeen year old Tiley. That's who he killed and
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Speaker 1: buried or at least got rid of the body. But
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Speaker 1: the plot is thickening as we learned that Coultmom's a brother,
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Speaker 1: her avenging angel as she called him, her words not mine,
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Speaker 1: was there at that burial scene according to his GPS.
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Speaker 1: So many facts we are finding out now, But big question,
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Speaker 1: where's the murder charges? Why? Just concealment? With me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. Ashley Wilcot judge and trial lawyer, anchor Court
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Speaker 1: TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Karen Start, New York
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Speaker 1: psychologist at Karen Start dot com. Founder of the Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, also crime scene tech doctor, Kendall,
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Speaker 1: Crown's Deputy medical examiner, Travis County Austin telecommunications expert out
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Speaker 1: of Raleigh ben Levitan. But right now to the reporter
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Speaker 1: that the whole thing wide open with the East Idaho
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Speaker 1: News dot Com. Nate Eate Nate, just give it to
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Speaker 1: me in a nutshell? All right, where's the murder charges
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Speaker 1: I think that you can anticipate murder charges eventually. Right
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Speaker 1: now police are putting together their case very meticulously, as
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Speaker 1: they have done since the beginning. Plus they have to
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Speaker 1: prove who actually killed these children. We know that they
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Speaker 1: were buried at Chad Dave Bell's house, but as you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox, Laurie's brother was also there based on his
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Speaker 1: cell phone pings, So who actually did Nate? Nate Nate? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's just all agree that you're one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: reporters around. But do you have your law degree? Just
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Speaker 1: a question, innocent question, do you? I am no attorney? Okay,
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Speaker 1: thank you can stop right there. You can stop right there,
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Speaker 1: because isn't it true, Ashley Wilcot, we need to charge
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Speaker 1: the whole kitten kaboodle, all right, because at this point, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, it doesn't matter who pulled the trigger
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Speaker 1: or strangled or suffocated. They were in it together. And
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Speaker 1: when you act in concert, when you all know what's
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Speaker 1: going on, you're all part of it. It's like me
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Speaker 1: driving mine in my own business to a bank robbery.
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Speaker 1: I know that it's a bank robbery. I drive you
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Speaker 1: there as you will caught. You go in and all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, I hear an oozy going off of
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Speaker 1: my what. I'm charged with murder? Just like you. They
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Speaker 1: all need to be charged. Cult Mom, Laurie Valo, the
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Speaker 1: new husband, Chad day Bill, and if he was alive,
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Speaker 1: Alex Cox the brother right wrong. I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: I think they both need to be charged. But I'm
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Speaker 1: going to suggest this. I believe in my mind that
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Speaker 1: there may be other people still alive it need to
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Speaker 1: be charged. I'm not going to tell you that I
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Speaker 1: think it's only Laurie and Chad. I think there might
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Speaker 1: have been other people involved in this that also need
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Speaker 1: to face those charges. Now, the good news is there's
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Speaker 1: million dollar bonds, so they're not getting out of jail. Well,
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Speaker 1: I guess you know you're one to find the silver lining.
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Speaker 1: I'm not so happy about it, you know, Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: joining me, the director of the Cold Case Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what took cops so long to figure
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Speaker 1: out how we need to search Chad day Bell's property
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Speaker 1: and his curtilage. Curtilage under the law, it's what you
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Speaker 1: call the shed, the car port, the farmhouse, the backyard,
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Speaker 1: the adjoining properties. That's the curtilage, and that is included
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Speaker 1: when you execute a search warrant on the home. The
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Speaker 1: curtilage cure ti la ge is included. Cheryl McCollum, That's
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Speaker 1: a whole nother cannon worms. I'm not worried about it now.
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Speaker 1: Why it took them so long to search. You know,
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Speaker 1: they did an earlier search after Tammy day Bell, his
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Speaker 1: wife died in her sleep, but they didn't search the grounds.
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Speaker 1: What about it, Cheryl Nancy? I think they were going
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Speaker 1: step by step because they knew if they get one shot,
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Speaker 1: so they wanted to take their time and make sure
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Speaker 1: they knew exactly where to search. And in this case,
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Speaker 1: we're too dig so that they can get all the evidence,
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Speaker 1: maintain everything, perfectly, recover everything, bagtag everything is perfectly legal.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, Cheryl, I think a lot of you,
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Speaker 1: but you got a bass Ackwards friend because if they
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Speaker 1: were being so thorough, they would have searched the entire property. Look,
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Speaker 1: I don't like to throw stones at the cops, but
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Speaker 1: that property should have been searched day one. All that
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Speaker 1: is in hindsight. What matters now is the children's body
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Speaker 1: have been found. Their bodies have been found, and the
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Speaker 1: cops did do that, and I believe Nate Eaton they
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Speaker 1: did that ultimately because of GPS track or information specifically
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Speaker 1: cell phone records. Nate Eaton East Idaho News dot com
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Speaker 1: what led police to finally go and search the curlage,
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Speaker 1: and thank god they did. What led them there, well,
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Speaker 1: it was a bunch of little clues that came together
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Speaker 1: within the past two or three weeks. One was the
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Speaker 1: fact that Laurie's best friend, Melanie Gibb, who had visited
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Speaker 1: her in September, has been cooperating with police, told officers
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Speaker 1: the last time she remembered seeing JJ was when she
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend were visiting the day before JJ vanished.
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Speaker 1: They were at Laurie's house. Laurie said he was acting
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Speaker 1: like a zombie. He was climbing all over the cabinets.
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Speaker 1: He knocked down a picture of Jesus on the fridge.
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Speaker 1: Well what what what? What? What? Wait? Wait wait wait,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot there. A child crawling on a cabinet
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Speaker 1: is just what children do in my mind. Maybe I'm crazy, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: but I've seen John David and mostly John David get
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Speaker 1: up on the island and I have to get him down.
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Speaker 1: But that's what children do. And I'll tell you what
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Speaker 1: I think. Pushed it over the edge and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: have to go to a shrink on this Nate Eton
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Speaker 1: is when he accidentally knocked a picture. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it was a magnet or what of Christ off
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Speaker 1: the fridge and that three cult mom Laurie Valo into
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Speaker 1: a fit. Hey guys, take a listen and to our
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Speaker 1: friend Misty anglet there at kat v B boys Idaho
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Speaker 1: niece listen to this. September twenty second, the last time
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Speaker 1: JJ Valo was seen. Police interviewed Melanie Gibb and her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend David Warwick, who were visiting Lorie that weekend. They
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Speaker 1: told police Laurie said JJ had turned into a zombie.
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Speaker 1: The next morning, September twenty third, between eight and nine am,
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Speaker 1: Warwick didn't see JJ and asked where he was, Bie
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Speaker 1: stated he was acting out so quote Alex had come
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Speaker 1: and taken JJ. GPS data once again puts Alex on
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Speaker 1: Chad's property that day from nine fifty five am until
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Speaker 1: ten to twelve am, paying near the pond. All this
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Speaker 1: evidence started coming to light around the first part of
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Speaker 1: June twenty twenty. Just days later, June ninth, police searched
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Speaker 1: Chad's property. They focused on sites corresponding to the GPS
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Speaker 1: from Alex's own and the strange text to Tammy je
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Speaker 1: James Highly's bodies were found in those areas near the
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Speaker 1: pond and fire pit crime stories with Nancy Grace. The
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Speaker 1: bodies have absolutely been identified of JJ and Tiley, the
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Speaker 1: children of cult mom Laurie Valoe, and I feel like
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Speaker 1: we've all been played for fools. While we all thought
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Speaker 1: the likelihood was that the children were dead, there was
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Speaker 1: always that little hope, that glimmer of hope that maybe,
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Speaker 1: just maybe this nut job Laurie valoed not insane, by
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Speaker 1: the way, because she knew enough to like keep her
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Speaker 1: trap shut to Cox, that maybe she had hidden her
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Speaker 1: children away in some bug her Since she is predicting
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Speaker 1: that the earth will come to an end on July
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Speaker 1: twenty second. So many people thought there was a possibility,
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Speaker 1: a sliver of a chance the children are still alive. Well,
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Speaker 1: they're dead. And it hurts a lot of us to
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Speaker 1: actually say that. Over the months of helping to look
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Speaker 1: for JJ and Tailey, we've come to believe we know
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Speaker 1: them in some way. Now to find out that they're dead.
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Speaker 1: On Chad Day Belle's property basically in his backyard, neighbors
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Speaker 1: saying that he had a big bonfire going for days
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Speaker 1: on end. I've got to believe that that's connected to
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Speaker 1: the destruction of these children's body. With me an all
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Speaker 1: Star panel, I want to go back to Nate eaton
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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot Com, who has been on the
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Speaker 1: case from the get go. Nate, you were saying that
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Speaker 1: just before the cops and I got to hand it
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Speaker 1: to cops. I was giving them a hard time earlier,
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Speaker 1: but they got this information at the beginning of June.
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Speaker 1: Within days, they were out there with a warrant and
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Speaker 1: they find the bodies. But you were saying at the
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Speaker 1: very beginning of June that they learned cops learned that
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Speaker 1: just before the children disappear, that JJ, who's just seven
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Speaker 1: years old at the time, an autistic has a lot
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Speaker 1: of issues going on, had been acting like a zombie.
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Speaker 1: According to Laurie Valo. You know, I just want to
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Speaker 1: slap her right now to call her own child a zombie,
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Speaker 1: Jackie and an evil spirit. I just want to give
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Speaker 1: her a little finger necklace from That's a whole other issue, Nate,
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Speaker 1: What else do you know about JJ allegedly quote acting
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Speaker 1: like a zombie. Well, the other thing that Laurie mentioned
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Speaker 1: to her friends is that he had climbed up above
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Speaker 1: the cabinet area. Now her friends were staying in the house.
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Speaker 1: They didn't hear any of this. They didn't witness any
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Speaker 1: of this. This was just Laurie telling them these things.
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Speaker 1: They thought that that was a little odd. Next thing
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Speaker 1: they know, Alex is taking JJ away. He comes back.
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Speaker 1: JJ's asleep on Alex's shoulder. David, who was there, the friend,
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Speaker 1: he said, Oh, that looks like a tender moment. He
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Speaker 1: remembered that. The next day they went to go home
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Speaker 1: to Arizona. They asked Lorie if they could say goodbye
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Speaker 1: to JJ. She said, JJ is no longer here. That
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Speaker 1: very same day, hours later, Alex's cell phone pinged at
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell's project. I'm drinking from the fire, hijrat.
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Speaker 1: Nate eating a so much info. I've got to just
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Speaker 1: break it down, you know, Nate Eating, you have so
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Speaker 1: much info. Almost every sentence you say is a point
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Speaker 1: that I'd like to put on a big poster in
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Speaker 1: front of a jury. Let's examine what he just said,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Listen to this. So just before JJ goes missing,
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Speaker 1: he's acting out because he climbed on the counter. Okay,
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Speaker 1: at most that would have been a time out at
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Speaker 1: the most in our house, but that aside. Then he
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Speaker 1: goes somewhere with Alex, the brother who's now dead. He
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Speaker 1: comes back asleep. They never see him awake again. Do
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Speaker 1: you think he was drugged and then killed. I don't
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Speaker 1: think there's any question he was either drug or in
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Speaker 1: some way incapacitated for a long period of time. Nay,
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Speaker 1: he could have already been to see Okay, Well, I
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Speaker 1: can always count on you to come up with another
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Speaker 1: alarming and upsetting theory. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer or
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Speaker 1: a court TV anchor And mom, you know somebody wants
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Speaker 1: to see the children if they're a sleep I go,
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Speaker 1: you know what, there's still a sleep, don't wake them
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Speaker 1: up for Pete's sake, Or if they got a play date,
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Speaker 1: I go, oh, you know what, they're at the playground,
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Speaker 1: which of course that would never happen because I would
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Speaker 1: be spying on them. But you don't just say they're
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Speaker 1: no longer with us. You don't think that's weird, Ashley, No,
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Speaker 1: it is weird. It's a big red flag because I
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Speaker 1: would never say that. If I said that, it would
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Speaker 1: mean that they were passed away, that they weren't with us,
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Speaker 1: literally alive on earth. So I do think the other
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Speaker 1: aspect of that is exactly what you say. If it
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Speaker 1: doesn't smell right, it's not right. And by that I mean, hey,
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Speaker 1: if somebody says, oh, if they're not here or are
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Speaker 1: too elusive, I think there's a problem. You know too.
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Speaker 1: Karen Start joining me New York psychologist at karenstart dot com. Karen,
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Speaker 1: what kind of mom? And you and I have talked
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Speaker 1: about this so many times. Let's a man waltz into
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Speaker 1: the home and suddenly start eight molesting the child, beating
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Speaker 1: the child, starving the child, poisoning her mind against her
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Speaker 1: own children, and in this case, she didn't say all
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Speaker 1: this zombie Laurie Valaden come up with this zombie story
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Speaker 1: about her children until Chad Daville came in the picture.
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Speaker 1: That's certainly not relieving her of responsibility. But how does
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Speaker 1: a mom just forget all the love, all the bonding,
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Speaker 1: all the years you've had and go, yeah, there's zombies.
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Speaker 1: They have to die. Well, unfortunately, Nancy would be wonderful
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Speaker 1: if still were only terrific Monds that this never happened too.
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Speaker 1: But we know so many stories, as you said, and
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Speaker 1: there are some people who are starved for love, and
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Speaker 1: so this is what what called it? Called it? Nate Eate?
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Speaker 1: How many times is not judging? Not judging, don't care,
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Speaker 1: nate eate. And how many times has Lorie Vala been married?
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Speaker 1: This is her fifth marriage? Okay marriage, let me just
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Speaker 1: say here and start. She's not starving for love now.
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Speaker 1: As much as I love David, David, I'm not doing
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Speaker 1: it again. I've done it still got times. What would
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Speaker 1: have bean starve for affection? This woman has had five husbands.
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Speaker 1: She's not starved, but she's not feeling filled up. She's
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Speaker 1: not nothing is making her feel good enough about herself
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Speaker 1: or she wouldn't keep going from one man to the next.
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Speaker 1: If you just take a look at it. She's not satisfied.
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Speaker 1: And it's not, in my opinion that she feels so
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Speaker 1: great about herself. She needs somebody better. But she's just
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Speaker 1: so and not feeling good, not feeling okay. Right, you
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Speaker 1: know what. You know that I respect you and we've
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Speaker 1: been friends, actually personal friends, ever since day one at
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Speaker 1: Court TV. But Karen Start, she had a hand in
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Speaker 1: killing her own children, all right, now, right, how are
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Speaker 1: you somehow talking about her deflated ego and her id?
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Speaker 1: Why why am I hearing this if I were not
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Speaker 1: a teacher? Were you driving me to drink? Karen Start?
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Speaker 1: The reason I'm talking about her deflated ego is because
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Speaker 1: she was so readily black. It's really, I think so
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Speaker 1: just somehow this guy got into her and got her
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Speaker 1: to believe this whole thing about zombies. So she was
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Speaker 1: really susceptible, she was really open. You know what, though,
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Speaker 1: the reality is, Cheryl McCollum, we could say that about
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Speaker 1: all these moms that let a guy in their life.
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Speaker 1: They start beating lasting starving the children. I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: I've seen it since I started prosecuting felonies. I've only
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Speaker 1: had a very few a handful of cases where the
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Speaker 1: mother sided with the children and not the purpose. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I agree with doctor start. It seems to me that
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Speaker 1: these women care more about their ego being said. I
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Speaker 1: need a man to validate that I'm pretty. I need
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Speaker 1: a man to marry me, to validate that I'm worthy.
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Speaker 1: A man does something for these women that their children cannot. Okay,
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Speaker 1: well you know what, I'll leave that to the shrinks.
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Speaker 1: All I care about it's the body, the bodies in
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Speaker 1: this case, who did it and who's going to jail
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Speaker 1: for how long? Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys were
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Speaker 1: talking about the Lorie Valo cult mom prosecution, and I
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Speaker 1: want to know what's going to happen now. First of all,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to what we
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Speaker 1: have learned about how the bodies were ultimately found. And
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Speaker 1: when I see bodies, I'm talking about of a seven
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Speaker 1: year old little boy, Jj Valo and his sister, seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old Tyley, All the signs were there that they're dead.
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Speaker 1: Did I want to believe it? No? I didn't. But
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, Nate Eaton. You remember when
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Speaker 1: you told me at the very beginning, when you were
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Speaker 1: running along beside her in Hawaii, going hey, where are
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Speaker 1: the children? Where are the children? Where the children? And
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Speaker 1: you told me the story about she got in the
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Speaker 1: car and she looked at somebody with these evil laser
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Speaker 1: beam eyes. Okay, And I don't know any other better
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Speaker 1: way to describe it. When I do a close up
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Speaker 1: on her eyes, she just looks evil. Go ahead, mock
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Speaker 1: me if you want, but just just a complete lack
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Speaker 1: of remorse. It looks like you're looking at a reptile
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Speaker 1: that's got cold blood running through her system. Yeah. Some
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Speaker 1: of the investigators have told me that dealing with Lorie
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Speaker 1: Balow from the beginning has been impossible because she just
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Speaker 1: has those eyes. She's very cold, she's very narcissistic. Whereas
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Speaker 1: Chad Dave Bell up to this point, you meet him
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Speaker 1: and you think, oh, he's a friendly guy. You know,
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Speaker 1: not much personality there, but but at least he's friendly,
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Speaker 1: he'll talk to you, Laurie Balow was exactly the opposite.
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Speaker 1: Chad was quiet in the background and, according to court documents,
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Speaker 1: kind of running the show, telling Laurie about these zombie ideas,
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Speaker 1: telling her that people have turned evil, They've turned dark,
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Speaker 1: and Laurie would go ahead and believe these things to
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Speaker 1: the point that you know, we know what happened. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen now to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Katie V. B Boys, Idaho. This is again
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Speaker 1: Misty Englet. Just fourteen minutes after Alex leaves Chadsen's atten
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Speaker 1: X to his then wife Tammy daybel The text reads quote,
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Speaker 1: I've had an interesting warning. I felt I should burn
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Speaker 1: all the limb debris by the fire pit before it
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Speaker 1: got two soaked by the coming storms. While I did so,
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Speaker 1: I spotted a big raccoon along the fence. I hurried
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Speaker 1: and got my gun, and he was still walking along.
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Speaker 1: I got close enough, one shot did the trick. He's
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Speaker 1: now in our pet cemetery. Fun Times police state this
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Speaker 1: was suspicious because raccoons are nocturnal. Neighbors of Chad's also
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Speaker 1: reported to police frequent bonfires at Chad's house, which was
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Speaker 1: out of the norm. It almost makes me sick to
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Speaker 1: hear that because he didn't shot a raccoon, he didn't
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Speaker 1: bury a raccoon, He buried two children that he knew,
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Speaker 1: Tyley in JJ in his backyard. You know to doctor
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Speaker 1: Kindall Crowns, Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County. That's Austin Dot
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Speaker 1: Dirt Crowns. It's so great to have you with us today.
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Speaker 1: Tell me, doctor Crowns. They've got to know what the
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Speaker 1: cod cause of death is. They're not releasing it. They've
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Speaker 1: got to know what it is. Right well, not necessarily,
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Speaker 1: if the bodies are severely decomposed or have been burned
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Speaker 1: up to the points of all that's left of them
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Speaker 1: is really bones, may be difficult for them to determine
21:16
Speaker 1: exactly how the children died, say, if they were strangled
21:20
Speaker 1: or suffocated, the injuries may be minimal at best, and
21:25
Speaker 1: then with decomposition or burning away, the evidence may be
21:28
Speaker 1: completely destroyed. Now they know the kids are dead, and
21:32
Speaker 1: of course they know that they didn't die in a
21:34
Speaker 1: natural means so or even accidental, but they're probably still
21:38
Speaker 1: trying to figure out exactly what happened. You know, I
21:41
Speaker 1: was thinking back on off what one of you guys
21:44
Speaker 1: said earlier. They're trying to figure out who did Oh,
21:46
Speaker 1: it was Nate Eton, the new lawyer, that they were
21:50
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who actually did the deed, the murder.
21:53
Speaker 1: And I'm saying it doesn't matter because they worked in concert,
21:57
Speaker 1: then makes them each a co conspirator in murder. And
22:01
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Nate Eton. But that is
22:03
Speaker 1: death penalty jurisdiction. Is that right, Nate? Yes, no, correct, Yeah,
22:07
Speaker 1: Idaho does have the death penalty. I want to circle
22:11
Speaker 1: back to two different things. One how they found the
22:16
Speaker 1: location and two, Nate Eton, I know you are all
22:21
Speaker 1: up in this. What do you think is going to
22:24
Speaker 1: be cod Well, that's a great question. I couldn't speculate
22:29
Speaker 1: on that at this point. I think, Nate, stop it.
22:32
Speaker 1: You know you know that you have an idea about
22:36
Speaker 1: the cause of death. I think that the police will
22:41
Speaker 1: release that when they when they get there. Here's here's
22:44
Speaker 1: the sad part, Nancy, is that it's if you were
22:47
Speaker 1: going to kill children, which is a horrific thought in
22:50
Speaker 1: and of itself. Why would anybody even think that. I
22:53
Speaker 1: don't think these kids were simply put to sleep and
22:55
Speaker 1: then buried. We know that JJ was wrapped in plastic.
22:59
Speaker 1: He was wrapped in duct tape. There was a white
23:01
Speaker 1: plastic bag over his head. Tylie's remains were burned, she
23:05
Speaker 1: was dismembered. She was buried in the ground. It's not
23:08
Speaker 1: like these bodies were simply buried in a decent manner.
23:13
Speaker 1: They were. They were tortured in a way, whether before
23:17
Speaker 1: they died or after they died. The way that they
23:19
Speaker 1: were disposed of was not a gentle kind manner. So yeah,
23:23
Speaker 1: you mentioned the death penalty. This very well could be
23:26
Speaker 1: a death penalty case considering all of the factors and
23:29
Speaker 1: considering the manner in which they were disposed. Nate, do
23:32
Speaker 1: be a favor. Slow it down a minute, tell me
23:35
Speaker 1: everything you know about the bodies of these two children, slowly.
23:40
Speaker 1: Let's start with Tyleie. We know that Tylie's remains were dismembered.
23:45
Speaker 1: She was dismembered before she died. We don't know the
23:48
Speaker 1: specifics about that, but we do know that her remains
23:52
Speaker 1: were also burned and they found bones when they discovered
23:57
Speaker 1: her body. We know JJ was wrapped in well, he
24:01
Speaker 1: was bound with duct tape, wrapped in plastic, and then
24:05
Speaker 1: there was a white plastic bag over his head. When
24:08
Speaker 1: you say that JJ was bound with duct tape, what
24:13
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Do you mean post post
24:15
Speaker 1: mortem after his death or were his hands and feet
24:18
Speaker 1: and fat mouth and nose curbed in duct tape. The
24:22
Speaker 1: court documents did not go into that much detail, but
24:25
Speaker 1: I'm told that we should know more about that, specifically
24:29
Speaker 1: about both of their bodies, including the clothing that they
24:31
Speaker 1: were wearing, things like that, within the coming weeks. So
24:35
Speaker 1: the burn pit that day Bell was feeding in his
24:40
Speaker 1: backyard was burning Tyley's body, And Cheryl McCallum, you know
24:45
Speaker 1: why I'm asking how was JJ duct taped? Right? Oh,
24:50
Speaker 1: absolutely exactly. But let's talk about Tyley first, because I
24:55
Speaker 1: think that's relevant. There are things they're not going to
24:57
Speaker 1: burn in that fire pit, so things like a zipper
25:01
Speaker 1: or jewelry, things like that may tell us what was
25:06
Speaker 1: she wearing. That would give us a better frame of
25:09
Speaker 1: the day she went missiles. So if she's in pajamas
25:12
Speaker 1: versus what she was seeing in her last photograph would
25:15
Speaker 1: help with the time frame. The fact that she was
25:18
Speaker 1: dismembered and attempted to burn they learned, hey, this is
25:24
Speaker 1: too much trouble. We can't burn her up. So I
25:26
Speaker 1: believe that's why JJ was treated differently. He's wrapped and
25:30
Speaker 1: the way he was buried, you've got side on top
25:34
Speaker 1: of flat rocks, on top of paneling, so they'd attempted
25:39
Speaker 1: to cover him and also very deeply in the ground.
25:42
Speaker 1: So this wasn't a shalla clandestine grave. This was not
25:46
Speaker 1: done quickly. They were trying to stop you know, the
25:50
Speaker 1: odor of somebody decomposing. They were trying to stop you know,
25:54
Speaker 1: animal activity, and that could very well be why he
25:58
Speaker 1: shot a raccoon, if it were a raccoon, because prior
26:02
Speaker 1: to getting JJ in the ground, they were trying to
26:05
Speaker 1: stop any signs of you know, you know, crows or
26:09
Speaker 1: buzzards or anything that would give somebody a heads up
26:12
Speaker 1: that something was dead on that property. Well, the reality
26:14
Speaker 1: is Chad day Bell is a former grave digger, so
26:18
Speaker 1: the man knows how to dig a grave. Crime Stories
26:32
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, we are talking about cult mom Laurie
26:37
Speaker 1: Valle's children Tyali and JJ, positively identified by their remains
26:43
Speaker 1: in her fifth husband's backyard. Chad at day Bell. So
26:46
Speaker 1: far only charges of concealment and destruction of evidence that
26:51
Speaker 1: would be the children's bodies. Now, if you listen carefully,
26:54
Speaker 1: you heard our boys, a reporter commenting on texts and
27:00
Speaker 1: GPS tracking placing avenging angel brother Alex Cox at the
27:06
Speaker 1: location where the children's bodies were found buried. Why is
27:12
Speaker 1: Alex Cox there and he's only there for like I
27:15
Speaker 1: think it was about two hours. I guess he dropped
27:18
Speaker 1: off the dead bodies and left out to Chad day
27:20
Speaker 1: Belle to hide them. Joining me as a very special guest.
27:24
Speaker 1: You know his name because they always call on him.
27:27
Speaker 1: Telecommunications expert out of Raleigh, ben Levitan at ben Levitan
27:33
Speaker 1: dot com. Ben explained to me how these GPS is
27:39
Speaker 1: like calling them, but it's cell phone tracking could place
27:43
Speaker 1: the avenging angel brother Alex Cox now also dead at
27:48
Speaker 1: that backyard, not just the backyard, but in the same
27:52
Speaker 1: area of the backyard where the bodies have been found.
27:56
Speaker 1: How does that work? It doesn't seem afraid Again, this
28:01
Speaker 1: is the case of the FBI way overstating the facts.
28:05
Speaker 1: Facts are, Nancy. Every time you make a call, or
28:08
Speaker 1: you receive a call, or even a send a text
28:10
Speaker 1: or receiver text, even try to the cell phone company
28:14
Speaker 1: keeps a record of the dayton time you did that,
28:17
Speaker 1: and also give it also records the cell tower to
28:22
Speaker 1: which you were closest at the time. Now we know
28:26
Speaker 1: if Alex Cock made a phone call from Gilbert, Arizona,
28:31
Speaker 1: he was in Arizona. His records for a show that
28:35
Speaker 1: his phone connected to some cell tower and Gilbert. We
28:39
Speaker 1: cannot pinpoint that. All right, This is like a cell
28:42
Speaker 1: tower is a little radio station that all, that's all
28:44
Speaker 1: it is, and it probably goes in in the Idaho area,
28:51
Speaker 1: that probably goes out five miles in every direction. We
28:54
Speaker 1: cannot pinpoint this location. Nancy, I do criminal cases where
28:58
Speaker 1: I'm on the defense against the FBI Cast Department all
29:02
Speaker 1: the time, and this is where they get in trouble.
29:04
Speaker 1: They cannot blow this, okay, So what they can state
29:08
Speaker 1: is he was in Gilbert, Arizona. Then they can state
29:12
Speaker 1: that he was in Idaho. They cannot pinpoint him on
29:16
Speaker 1: that property. With the cell phone records. There is some
29:20
Speaker 1: possibility that he was using his GPS and they just can't.
29:26
Speaker 1: I mean, it stands to reason that he was on
29:29
Speaker 1: the you know, if they have him off a cell
29:33
Speaker 1: tower and in Rexburg he and that cell tower covers
29:41
Speaker 1: this compound, it stands the reason he was there, but
29:44
Speaker 1: they can't pinpoint him. And Nancy, this is what the
29:48
Speaker 1: FBI it does all the time. This Cast department is
29:51
Speaker 1: about seventeen agents. And you would think when you think
29:54
Speaker 1: FBI cell Phone Lab that they stole a bunch of
29:59
Speaker 1: people from eighteen teen verizons. Not one of these guys, Nancy,
30:03
Speaker 1: has ever worked in engineering or in the cell phone industry.
30:06
Speaker 1: These guys are good guys, are good investigators, but cell
30:10
Speaker 1: phones is not their things. So you know, if they
30:14
Speaker 1: keep pushing to put this on Alex Scott and everything
30:17
Speaker 1: gets playing on Alex Scott, he's dead and no one
30:20
Speaker 1: gets convicted, Nancy, So you have to well, you know,
30:22
Speaker 1: I disagree with you right there, ben Levitana. I don't
30:26
Speaker 1: disagree with you regarding the cell phone data because locating
30:29
Speaker 1: a mobile phone based on a single cell tower can
30:34
Speaker 1: place the mobile phone in a very broad area, but
30:37
Speaker 1: it cannot pinpoint like within a blot. Now, as the
30:42
Speaker 1: phone connects to more towers than just one cell phone tower,
30:47
Speaker 1: the accuracy improves by using cell tower triangulation, which means
30:53
Speaker 1: three towers. You can assume that from triangle with three points,
30:57
Speaker 1: if you have three towers, it is possible, to my
31:00
Speaker 1: understanding of the science, to locate a cell phone two
31:03
Speaker 1: within an area of about half a mile to three
31:08
Speaker 1: quarters of a mile. Not in this area, Nancy, this
31:12
Speaker 1: is a very oral area. But if there are three
31:14
Speaker 1: cell towers. The address my question, address my question. If
31:22
Speaker 1: there is triangulation between three cell towers, ben Levitan, isn't
31:28
Speaker 1: it true that a cell phone can be id located
31:32
Speaker 1: within about three quarters of a mile. That's not true, Afraid,
31:37
Speaker 1: it's not true. It's an apocaple. Well, I guess you're
31:41
Speaker 1: gonna disagree with the FCC. Okay, the Federal Communications Commission,
31:48
Speaker 1: But all right, I respect your opinion. So let me
31:51
Speaker 1: ask you, Nate Eten, what exactly are they saying about
31:55
Speaker 1: Alex Cox, because I bet you anything, they had GPS
31:59
Speaker 1: track on him as well. Well, they could have had
32:03
Speaker 1: GPS tracking on his phone had he been turned on.
32:05
Speaker 1: They were able to determine that he had visited Chad's
32:08
Speaker 1: property only four times in that you know, two three
32:12
Speaker 1: month period. Two of the visits were very very short.
32:15
Speaker 1: The longest visit was the two hours stay that you
32:18
Speaker 1: mentioned right after the disappearance of one of the kids.
32:22
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he was going to Chad's every
32:24
Speaker 1: day and it was abnormal. They know that after he
32:27
Speaker 1: disposed of one of the bodies, apparently he stopped at
32:29
Speaker 1: Del Taco for lunch and stayed a few minutes and
32:32
Speaker 1: then went home the rest of the day, so they
32:34
Speaker 1: were able to track his activity, the number of visits
32:37
Speaker 1: that he went out there, how long he stayed based
32:40
Speaker 1: off of whatever activity they were monitoring on hold on,
32:43
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. So in his life, Alex Cox
32:47
Speaker 1: has been at Chad day Bell's four times, according to
32:52
Speaker 1: his phone. Can you tell me, Nate Atan, how big
32:57
Speaker 1: is Chad day Bell's property. He has a pretty decent side.
33:00
Speaker 1: I'd said it about an acre probably. Okay, that's good.
33:06
Speaker 1: That's good. I got it. An acre. Let's move on.
33:10
Speaker 1: So do you know if there's more than one cell
33:13
Speaker 1: tower in the area, Nate Eaton, I personally don't know that. Well,
33:17
Speaker 1: you got to find out, Nate. I will find out. Okay. So,
33:21
Speaker 1: even though Levitan disagrees with the FCC, according to the FCC,
33:26
Speaker 1: with three cell towers, you can triangulate down to three
33:30
Speaker 1: quarters of a mile. He's been there four times in
33:33
Speaker 1: his life. And tell me, Nate Eaton, the last time
33:38
Speaker 1: that Alex Cox went to Chad Dayville's property where the
33:42
Speaker 1: dead bodies were found. How close in time was that
33:46
Speaker 1: to the children's disappearance. It was the last time JJ
33:50
Speaker 1: was saught. It was the last the next day, the
33:53
Speaker 1: day after jj was last seen. Okay, got it? Got it.
33:57
Speaker 1: One last question regarding Alex Cox's Del Taco launch, was
34:05
Speaker 1: that the day that the children that Jjane Tyley went
34:10
Speaker 1: missing that we know us, Yes, it was that same day.
34:13
Speaker 1: It was the same day after he went to day
34:15
Speaker 1: Bell's house for two hours. And what can you tell
34:17
Speaker 1: me about the bonfire Chad day bill Head going in
34:20
Speaker 1: his house and the timing of that bonfire and the
34:23
Speaker 1: timing of the text to his wife that he shot
34:25
Speaker 1: a raccoon and buried it in the backyard. I don't
34:28
Speaker 1: know the specifics about the bonfires. We do know that
34:30
Speaker 1: neighbors told police that they were having more bonfires. There's
34:34
Speaker 1: a fire pit right in the backyard. One of the
34:36
Speaker 1: bodies was found right near the fire pit. And the
34:39
Speaker 1: timing of the raccoon you seek about this. Had these
34:42
Speaker 1: people left their phones at home or somewhere else, the
34:46
Speaker 1: police may have never found these bodies. But because Chad
34:48
Speaker 1: day Bell sent that text message to his wife around
34:52
Speaker 1: in the eleven o'clock hour that morning, right around the
34:55
Speaker 1: same time Alex was at the house, he sent the
34:57
Speaker 1: message to Tammy saying he saw the raccoon they pulled
35:00
Speaker 1: this off of Tammy's phone, they were able to say
35:04
Speaker 1: that Chad day Bell was doing something with Alex Cox
35:08
Speaker 1: in the backyard that day. He said that he shot
35:11
Speaker 1: the raccoon, he buried the raccoon to cover the tracks,
35:14
Speaker 1: obviously that something was being buried. And then he said
35:17
Speaker 1: he was going to go right. He was going to
35:19
Speaker 1: go right at the university, and Tammy responded and said,
35:22
Speaker 1: you know, fun times are good for you, something like that,
35:25
Speaker 1: and then he said I'm back home. So it was
35:28
Speaker 1: that message to Tammy that placed him that we're able
35:32
Speaker 1: to place him with alex Cox that same day, that
35:36
Speaker 1: same time period, right after the disappearance of Tiley. Right now,
35:41
Speaker 1: we are waiting for additional charges and waiting to find
35:46
Speaker 1: the truth. We are waiting as justice un falls. Nancy
35:53
Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,