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"60 Years Later the Arithmetic's the Same" (Thursday August 28, 2025, Hour 4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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Speaker 1: But there was some sort of manifesto that was time
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to come out on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: Versus thing today by Joe Thomas on the Chunk Media Network.
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Speaker 3: It's been taken down and our investigators are going through that.
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Speaker 4: Jewort said, steal me step.
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Speaker 1: You have a day at least for work.
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Speaker 5: When the son comes up, drops a cut to scoop Non,
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Joey has everything, a dreamer.
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Speaker 6: All the treasure is that it needs.
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Speaker 7: No one that Joe's allies smile.
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Speaker 8: He only as.
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Speaker 4: Let me just trying to make sense of it all
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and be real.
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Speaker 9: I want to be.
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Speaker 4: Tell you the news. We'll break down the news and
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then we'll ask you how the news is impacting you.
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Where you are at four three four eight eight two
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four two one seven. That's the phone number or text
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message hotline U there, or you can email in the
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traditional fashion at JT in the Morning radio at gmail
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dot com. That's Chief O'Hara of Minneapolis, and the manifesto
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has been found by the New York Posts. They grabbed
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it before it was taken offline by the Minneapolis Police.
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Full of all of the impounded and repeated rhetoric from
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the authoritarian left. A kid who was struggling with self loathing,
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even to the point of admitting it in his manifestos,
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writing things like kill Donald Trump on his rifle, talking
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about Hamas and free Palestine. In this manifesto that he
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had put together so he could emit suicide by cop
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and take a lot of people with him. In his
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own words emails coming in JT in the Morning Radio
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at gmail dot com, Larry said, at some point, the
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guy has to be responsible for himself if there's not
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gun control, because obviously Minneapolis has already very strict gun
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control laws. How do we fix this? Well, I think, Larry,
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you're you're grappling with something a lot of people grapple with. Well,
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how do you know if we can't keep the hand
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guns out of the hands of people who are suffering
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this badly, what are we going to do? And this
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goes into the idea that we were positing before, which is,
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you know, family and the people around you have to
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be able to intercede. And and it just doesn't seem
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like that was what was happening in this kid's world.
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And it's heartbreaking because they at some point this guy
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was a troubled kid, and at some point somebody said, Nah,
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he'll be fine, and it's it's not even so much
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to learn, you know, the evidence. It's one thing when
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somebody commits a crime and then you investigate to see
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who is the one that we punish for the crime,
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whoever the bad actor was. This is at some point
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we need to start growing as a community. And the
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reason I was mentioning, you know, things like thet is
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this is the stuff that gets promoted on the internet,
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the end of Semitism, the idea that there's one right
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and you're going to do it. And this obviously wasn't
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Donald Trump talking to this kid. Anyway, Our first things
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this morning, continuing here at the State Policy Network conference
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as well, our friends from SEAPAC going to come by
4:27
and talk about what they're learning here. Gunman open fired,
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wounding seventeen people, killing two. Sixteen of those killed or
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wounded were school children as they were having mass at
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a church school that the shooter's mother went to. Robert
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Westman of Richfield, Minnesota. Meanwhile, four months and years Governor
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Tim Waltz had been asked by community leaders to provide
5:07
more security for the parochial schools in the state. We
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are writing on behalf of our respective organizations, wrote Jason Atkins,
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Executive director of Catholic Conference. Tim Benz co authored the
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letter President of Men Dependent. There's an urgent and critical
5:30
need in Minnesota to make sure our schools are secure
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and safe, considering the most recent and continued attacks. A
5:41
battle in the Department of Health and Human Services, Secretary
5:45
Robert F. Kennedy rescinded the Emergency youth's authorizations for COVID
5:51
nineteen vaccinations and ended the FBI's broader authorization of those shots.
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The same time, Susan, who had been the CDC director,
6:06
was told to step down and she won't. Her lawyer
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posted to social media when CDC Director Susan Monarez refused
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to rubber stamp unscientific, reckless directives and fire dedicated health experts.
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She chose protecting the public over serving a political agenda.
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USDA is getting rid of its DEI. It's no longer
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defending a Biden administration program that gave preferential treatment to
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farmers and based on race and gender for loans, commodities
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and conservation assistants. The Washington Examiner picked up that story,
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and those are our first things on this Thursday morning,
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Speaker 4: Oh brah, that's buzzed. Oh yeah, yeah, he's starting with
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the woots.
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Speaker 14: And now a speech.
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Speaker 15: I just want to say that friendship is about heart,
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heart and brain.
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Speaker 6: Who's with me?
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Speaker 1: Good thing is he knows when he's buzzed, and my
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brain is saying when it's time to go home.
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Speaker 6: Somebody call me a ride.
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Speaker 7: Love that guy, me too.
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Speaker 4: On your to do list.
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Speaker 2: Putting the radio on is the first thing today.
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Speaker 4: So it's a simple rule of thumb. From where I
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come from, and you tell me I'm not, I'm not. A
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psychologist psychiatrist, and I think, but your feelings towards yourself
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are a thing. It's when you start manifesting them to
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other people that's when it becomes a problem. I think
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that becomes the first place. And I love the folks
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who tell me that while we're respecting our kids privacy,
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kids need and kids know they need. And often some
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of the angriest adults are the ones who never had
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a parent deal in with them and jump in and
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even to the pain and suffering of the moment. And
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so when we're talking about mental health, and you know,
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where you dislike yourself, there are reasons. Whether it's bullied
14:18
in school. Half the school population gets bullied by the
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other half. And we don't all go shoot up the school,
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most of us don't. We find a way to deal.
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And you so when you talk about how do you
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stop this stuff, you stop it in at the family level.
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And again I don't want to beat a dead horse
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on this, but you know, when you devolve the family
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and the family again, just like the Butler shooter, where's
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this details about the Butler shooter who actually did try
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to kill Trump? And all of a sudden, you know
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his parents were both the psychond a logic therapists, social workers.
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All of a sudden, all that story went poof, and
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people feel in the same way about this guy in Minneapolis.
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Eddie's on the line with us at four three four
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eight eight two four two one seventh morning, Eddie, how
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are you doing, sir?
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Speaker 19: Oh, it's a beautiful day back here in Virginia where
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you ought to.
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Speaker 4: Be well, you know, and New Orleans. It used to
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be an interesting town and I think that it's allowed
15:31
itself to be progressive ezed even more so than it
15:34
was twenty years ago there. But anyway, Eddie said, what's
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on your mind?
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Speaker 19: Well, first, I'd like to say that I'm so glad
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to see the crime rate dropping in Washington, d C.
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In fact, since it was since you know, law enforcement
15:52
was federalized, we've seen a lot of progress there, a
15:56
lot of arrest made. Even the mayos had to admit,
15:59
you know that that is working. But here's here's my concern.
16:06
Even though the last figure I heard there were over
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three hundred arrests, I'm sure that's going up in the last.
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Speaker 4: Time I've seen four four hundred.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, okay, and that's that's very positive. Have Well, there's
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still criminals on the loose. Now they're either in hiding
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or they've left. So where have they gone? Well, if
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you're like the area, this is just me, you know
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as well as I do that the the counties and
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the communities around the Beltway or is urbanized as DC
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really in a lot of case.
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Speaker 4: So sure you have downtowns and and the gang bangers
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and the drug dealers have a phrase. Have you ever
16:48
heard the phrase Barney Fife. Oh, yes, and that's how
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they look upon the police and these you know, outer
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outlying suburban areas as Barney Fife's.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, well you know where we got to have barties so.
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Speaker 4: Well, but you know, and we watched this happen every
17:08
quarter or so. Michael Nutter, which was actually the name
17:12
of the actual mayor of Philadelphia for a while. Yes,
17:14
Philadelphia had a bona fide Nutter as the mayor. But
17:19
he would go on this spree about once a quarter
17:22
and he would put every on duty Philadelphia police officer
17:26
into a twenty block area, and the crime in Lancaster
17:31
would spike, the crime in Camden would spike because they'd
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all this, as you were saying, they'd run out of
17:37
the inner city and go to a place where Barney
17:41
Fife isn't going to give him a hard time.
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Speaker 20: And that's the very point I want to make. So
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you've got all the.
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Speaker 19: Blue counties up in northern Virginia and in southern Maryland,
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all around the Beltway. So I mean, if you drive
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rats out of a city, they're going to go somewhere. Sure,
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and there's still going to be rats wherever they go.
18:08
So if you if you drive the criminals because you're
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afraid of being apprehended, Okay, okay, the first stop is
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the suburbs.
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Speaker 20: If you're like it, they'll stay. Now, this is another
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bad timing by some folks.
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Speaker 19: As you mentioned on your on your program, Abigail Sanburger
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has said on the first day that she was elected, yeah,
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that she would not have law enforcement in Virginia cooperate
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with Ice.
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Speaker 4: Yes, she would rescind the executive order making sure that
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law enforcement is ordered by the governor's office. I mean,
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it's sanctuary. A friend of mine texted me after I
18:51
reported it on the story and said, is this her
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ab Is this her Terry mccauliffe moment. We'll see because
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you know, again, these these dogmatic positions defy logic, and
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these Marxists, these authoritarians, these progenitors of the left, can't
19:11
let go of them, even if they know intellectual I mean,
19:15
she's supposedly a CIA case officer and she doesn't know
19:18
what to look for in criminal element.
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Speaker 20: Well, you know, you make the very points I would
19:26
like to make. Two.
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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, gohead, you're more eloquent than.
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Speaker 19: At the same time that you know, the criminals are
19:36
leaving and maybe going to the suburbs and maybe going
19:39
to the sanctuary states or cities, you know, somewhere else,
19:43
but maybe the suburbs, maybe they're like the area, maybe
19:46
they got the contacts here, whatever where.
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Speaker 20: The criminals are going to be criminals wherever they go.
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Speaker 19: So she's going to ascend, you know, Governor Youngkin's orders
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and not cooperate at the very time where crime may increase.
20:06
Speaker 4: Yep, that's a great point. And well and now are
20:12
you are enough people in your neighborhood concerned with that?
20:17
That's the thing. I mean, we're watching polls tightening in
20:19
this gubernatorial race, and I said to a group a
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couple of weeks ago, it is perfectly permissible to vote
20:26
against something because there's all sorts of people who have
20:29
all sorts of reasons why they don't think that, you know,
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the GOP ticket in Virginia is cut from Central casting.
20:36
Same thing in New Jersey. They're like, oh, this guy's
20:39
just a rich business man. I don't you know, chatterrelly.
20:44
But you know what, look at what you will get
20:47
if you don't. And I've always said I want to
20:52
vote for things that You've heard me say that before,
20:56
but sometimes you have to vote against the crazy too,
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I agree. So sore enough are enough of your friends
21:06
getting it?
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Speaker 20: Well?
21:08
Speaker 19: I've had a few conversations and we're all on the
21:11
same page and we all share the same concerns. But
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I just think, you know, this is this is what
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you know the Democratic boy has been doing. They're going
21:23
you know, uh, they're on the wrong side of every issue.
21:28
So if she thinks that statement is going to help her,
21:32
I'm fresh he's wrong.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's going to help her with the people who support,
21:36
you know, the ideas that we see in this kid
21:39
from Minnesota's manifesto, where you know, anything Western is bad
21:44
and the existence of it is a is a hateful
21:49
reminder of something that has to be punished. I've got
21:51
to run to the news. Ed you have a great morning, sir?
21:54
Speaker 20: Okay, come home home.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'll be home. I'll be back. Brought to
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warn you about telephone scammers pretending to be government employees.
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Some of these scammers may say threatening things like you
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will be arrested if you don't make payments or provide
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personal information. Do not fall for these tricks. These calls
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are not from US. Real Social Security employees will never
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threaten you for information or money. If you receive a
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Speaker 22: Uh oh, Brad's buzzed. Oh yeah, yeah, he's starting with
25:59
the woots hm and now a speech.
26:02
Speaker 1: I just want to say that friendship is about heart,
26:06
art and brain.
26:08
Speaker 6: Who's with me?
26:09
Speaker 1: Good thing is he knows when he's buzzed, and my
26:11
brain is saying when it's time to go home.
26:14
Speaker 6: Somebody call me a ride.
26:15
Speaker 7: Love that guy, me too.
26:17
Speaker 16: Know your buzzed warning signs, call for a ride when
26:19
it's time to go home.
26:20
Speaker 8: Buzz driving is drunk driving.
26:23
Speaker 17: Did you know that more than half our household energy
26:26
costs go to heating and cooling. Energy efficiency isn't just
26:30
good for the environment, It means lower utility bills too.
26:34
One way to reduce your energy waste is a home
26:37
energy assessment. Your utility company can help, or you can
26:41
learn how to do it yourself at energysavers dot gov.
26:44
That's energysavers dot gov. You'll learn to look for air
26:47
leaks around windows and doors, check ducks for holes, and
26:51
improve your insulation. Another time to cut energy costs is
26:55
when you shop for a new appliance. Look for the
26:57
energy Star logo and read the energy guide label. And
27:01
there are day to day things you can do. Lower
27:04
your thermostat in winter and raise it in the summer,
27:07
close fireplace stampers when they're not in use, and keep
27:10
air filters clean. For more tips on saving money by
27:13
reducing your energy waste. Check out FTC dot gov slash green.
27:19
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protection agency, for.
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horribly wrong. Well, I don't I see that he wanted
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of Health and Human Services. Back here at the State
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Policy Network in the conference hall, visiting with folks media
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before that, Competitive Enterprise Institute Recovering radio guy as well. Andrew.
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It's good to have you drop by here and visit
29:56
it with us, and I hope everything is going well
29:59
for you at the State Policy Network annual meetings and
30:05
the visits that you've been having. How are you doing
30:07
this morning.
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Speaker 6: I'm doing great. Joe and you know it's funny.
30:12
Speaker 3: I literally is just sitting down in a presentation about
30:16
compared to federalism, and I was a legislator there from
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my Tennessee and he was talking about the difference between
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think tanks and do tanks. The folks who just you know,
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do research and present analysis. But then there are the
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folks who step up and say, here's how we want
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to help you influence policy. That's so vital the idea.
30:37
And I'm my background, you know, I work for the
30:39
Competitive Enterprise Institute, which I think was the original do
30:42
tank for many years actually getting stuff done.
30:45
Speaker 6: So anyway, it's great to be here.
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Speaker 4: Well, and that's a hard thing because we can all
30:49
sit there and say that's dumb, why is he doing that?
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But it's you know, what's the right answer, And that's
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that's always the What was the line from the West
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Wing when they were having a debate and Bartlett says,
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that's your ten word answer, but if you can tell
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me the next ten words, I'll get out of the
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race right now. Because we all have ten words on
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what's wrong, we don't know the next ten words on
31:12
how to make it right.
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Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting.
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Speaker 3: I had a really great mentor in the policy side
31:16
of things who said, Andrew, every organization out there, the
31:20
work they has to do has to have the acronym
31:22
sum sum.
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Speaker 6: Everything they has to do has.
31:24
Speaker 3: To be strategic, everything they do has to be unique,
31:27
and everything they do.
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Speaker 6: Has to be measurable.
31:29
Speaker 3: And you know, in terms of your ability to influence
31:32
public policy, being strategic, being unique, and having measurable metrics
31:37
by which you're doing things, that's so vitally import in otherwise,
31:40
why are you doing the work that you're doing.
31:42
Speaker 4: You know, it's one thing just to keep us off
31:44
the street and out of the Starbucks. But so how
31:47
are things at Sea Pack. I know that Sea Pack has,
31:50
in the twenty years that I've been coming to a
31:53
Sea Pack each year, has expanded to the Koreas and
31:57
Australia and as an international movement. And and I'll be
32:02
the first one and Matt has agreed with me on
32:05
the air that you know, conservatism in Australia is different
32:11
than conservatism in the United States. I mean because they're
32:15
not working off the same constitution, the same Bill of Rights.
32:19
But you know, Western civilization has those essences. It's what
32:23
Russell Kirk was writing about you know when he profiled
32:28
Now I'm forgetting you know, you know who I mean,
32:31
the the MP from from Belfast. Yes, Edmund Burgh. I
32:37
knew it was in there somewhere.
32:38
Speaker 3: Yes, I listen. I'm fully in New Orleans mode. So
32:42
it's my brain. My brain can get a little foggy too.
32:44
But it's interesting you mean bene right, Yes, well, yes
32:47
there's that as well, SASAAX last night. But you know
32:50
it's it's it's funny because so for folks to understand.
32:53
So SEAPACK is the organization that puts on the big
32:55
conference every year, and conferences as you point out, around
32:58
the world, to be done by an organization called the
33:01
American Conservative Union. The ACU and the ACU Foundation have
33:05
now been rebranded as SPACK because everybody knows the CEPAC brand,
33:10
and so thinking about these things and getting more in
33:13
the business of doing so, we're right right now. One
33:16
of the other things. In addition to the conferences around
33:19
the world, we are launching a series of coalitions centered
33:23
around issue areas, the idea being bringing people together to
33:26
cooperate on finding those policy solutions. My work as the
33:30
director of the Center for Regulatory Freedom, we're about to
33:33
launch a coalition on regulatory engagement. The idea being that
33:36
we do some things really well as a movement in
33:39
terms of regulation, big ticket items, large major rules, specific
33:44
issue areas, but we're really bad at coordinations. So once
33:47
a month, big thinkers in the regulatory world on the
33:50
policy side are going to get together. We're going to
33:52
talk about what is on our calendars for the coming month,
33:55
and we're going to help coordinate people filing comments, both
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you know, as grassroots organizations or policy organizations, and getting
34:01
grasp with its individuals involved. It's so vital these days
34:04
to get the common sense approach of everyday working families
34:08
into what these government agencies are doing.
34:11
Speaker 4: And that is I think what's been missing for a
34:14
long time. And you know it's interesting. I was riding
34:17
here from the airport on a bus with the guy
34:20
who was going to a different conference. He said he
34:23
was here about housing. I said, oh, are you coming
34:26
to SPN because I think half of the breakout sessions
34:30
are how do we fix the housing problem? Because if
34:33
the smart conservative realizes that's the kind of place the
34:36
liberal goes saying you can't afford housing, we're going to
34:39
take over the housing and we're going to make it,
34:41
you know, a right. You know, we listened to Bernie
34:43
Sanders and all that, but we were talking to some
34:46
folks about the regulatory reform, get the government out of
34:50
the way of housing and places like Houston where it's
34:54
exploded because they got the government out of the way.
34:57
And that's the kind of stuff. If we as can
35:00
can do it, we're never going to lose another election.
35:02
Not to sound like Lyndon Johnson, Listen, what's amazing to me.
35:05
We've been talking for a very long time out West.
35:08
You know, the federal government owns the vast majority of land,
35:11
and we don't know what we own as a people,
35:13
and so for years we've been talking about doing some
35:15
kind of a federal lands inventory.
35:17
Speaker 3: And I'm at a presentation a couple of weeks ago,
35:20
and we all know the American Enterprise Institute. They are
35:22
an academically conservative organization, but they've never weighed really heavily
35:26
into these kinds of fights before. And there was a
35:29
gentleman there, Arthur Gales, who gave this wonderful presentation about
35:33
the role of federal land policy and the housing crisis
35:36
at West and the idea that we can sell and
35:38
make huge sums of money, which, by the way, there's
35:41
a direct relationship between the passage of the Federal Land
35:44
Policy and Management Act of seventy nine and the burgeoning
35:47
deficits in our government. We're no longer we're no longer
35:49
selling the land that we own, are locking.
35:52
Speaker 6: It up or whatever.
35:53
Speaker 1: You know.
35:54
Speaker 3: There's a fiscal note on this, and I have an
35:57
interview out. By the way, I do a podcast called
35:58
The Lunch Hour, a weekly deep dive in a public policy.
36:01
Speaker 6: My interview is out this week with Arthur Keiles.
36:03
Speaker 3: But my point is they're weighing into this, and if
36:05
AI recognize that there's a housing problem and that selling
36:09
federal lands and inventoring federal lands can be a possible solution,
36:13
this is.
36:13
Speaker 6: Great stuff that's happening.
36:14
Speaker 4: We had ed pinto on from AI and they're apparently
36:18
releasing I think it's six thousand toolkits for six thousand
36:23
municipalities states and then within them cities and counties to
36:29
get out of the way of the housing problem. And
36:31
it shows them mathematically. I've seen, you know, the pre issue,
36:36
and it goes mathematically. You change this policy, this is
36:39
how many units get built. You change this pobbly, this
36:41
is how many units get built, and you can then
36:44
look at it and say, oh, this is this is
36:48
the poverty issue. And and maybe maybe we find out
36:52
that nobody really wants to fix poverty because it's an
36:55
issue we can run on and you know, and fundraise on.
36:58
But if so, then let's find out who those people are,
37:01
because they're dangerous because they're I'm watching more and more
37:05
people fall further and further under the poverty line ever
37:08
since the Great Society was was created sixty years ago.
37:12
Is that it Hang on a second. We're going to
37:15
get back to you in a second there, Andrew Langer.
37:20
We've got a break coming up here at four three
37:22
four eight eight two four two one seven. But you
37:26
have to be in the poverty spaces, you know, Andrew,
37:29
you know agrees, we have to be, you know, showing
37:33
because it's hard. And this is the problem with the
37:36
conservative fixes to poverty is that it's hard to say
37:41
this is the way we're going to fix poverty. But
37:44
it's going to take a few years because a lot
37:46
of people don't have a few years, or they don't
37:49
feel like they have a few years. So hang under
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Speaker 24: But now we're told that nine point three million families
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in this country are poverty stricken on the basis of
44:23
earning less than three thousand dollars a year, Welfare spending
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ten times greater than it was in the dark depths
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44:37
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44:40
nine million poor families, we'd be able to give each
44:42
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44:46
to their present income, should eliminate poverty.
44:51
Speaker 4: Is the great time for choosing speech, Ronald Reagan sixty
44:56
years ago, doing a little arithmetic, And I have done
44:59
that arithmetic given today's numbers, today's budget, and it's the same.
45:05
And I do believe there's a correlation because the more
45:08
and more we see people like this shooter in Minnesota,
45:12
and you read the manifesto that the New York Post
45:16
has excerpted, where I'm sure tasteful, and even then the
45:21
story is horribly But the more and more of this
45:25
I see, the more and more it seems to me.
45:27
And you tell me that it's a manifestation, not a manifesto,
45:34
but a manifestation of people frustrated with the government not
45:38
fixing their problems. They grow frustrated that this group is
45:46
allowed to exist because I don't like them, or this
45:52
group has all the money, which is ironically what you know,
45:57
a young fellow, young corporal from the German Army in
46:00
the thirties. Once that these people have all the money,
46:04
we're going to have to do something about that. Read
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46:45
more than we're making and it's got to work. Andrew,
46:48
you know, Andrew Langer from c Pack, you know, is
46:51
that hit with you as well?
46:53
Speaker 3: Isn't it amazing when simple math can actually point to
46:57
solutions and problems. It's like I was having a conversation
47:00
with somebody, a radio host out of New York, and
47:03
we're talking about policing. We're talking about Trump, you know,
47:06
moving folks on, you know, bringing troops to places like
47:08
DC or Baltimore, Los Angeles, And I said, it's it's simple.
47:11
It's simple math. Right, For every one hundred police officers
47:15
a municipality is short, right, we know what the gap is.
47:18
That's two hundred thousand hours of police work that is
47:21
either not getting done or is being done by somebody else.
47:24
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, that's that's just the way.
47:26
Speaker 3: It's the way we need to be looking at these
47:28
problems is through these simple sort of mathematical prisms.
47:31
Speaker 4: And and unfortunately a lot of folks like to make
47:34
high sounding words about oh, we don't wanted this, and
47:37
and the hypotheticals have become the Achilles heel because you know, sure,
47:44
do you want an innocent person to go to jail. No,
47:47
But if somebody's caught with a bag of money running
47:50
from a bank, odds are he probably should be arrested
47:53
and held for a while until we find out. And
47:56
you know, and and and to the other side, Conservatives
47:59
have to understand that a free society as a society
48:02
that understands that crime will happen and that justice has
48:07
to come in afterwards figure out who it is.
48:10
Speaker 6: Because it's very easy to say I'll be tough.
48:12
Speaker 4: On crime and try to enact policies that will stop it.
48:16
From happening. We've seen the Patriot Act, but it's it's
48:20
harder to say, you know, you have to be prepared.
48:24
People have to be prepared, and then we will find
48:26
the people who have committed the crimes, punish them, and
48:30
then through that imagery, deter crime in the future, because
48:35
right now we're not doing a very good job of that.
48:37
Speaker 3: Right Well, I mean, listen, we can't with one hand
48:39
decry administrative agencies essentially running rough shot over the due
48:43
process rights of individuals, while at the same time advocating
48:47
for it elsewhere. Due processes, due processes, due process, and
48:50
that means there is a you know, that doesn't mean
48:52
that we can't deport people, right you know, but an
48:55
he means that there's a process.
48:56
Speaker 4: Well, and I love the podium jockeys that get up
48:59
there and there's a bad action, something happens with the
49:02
police officer, and they decry the actions of the police
49:05
officer who are only enforcing the laws they passed as
49:09
members of the legislation, and they get a hall pass
49:12
on that.
49:12
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's actually funny you're talking about this
49:14
because I got asked, this's the panel that I'm moderating
49:16
this afternoon has to do with beverage policy and things
49:19
like Snap and what the government can decide that people
49:22
can buy with their with their snap money. And he's like, well,
49:24
make me the argument as to why that's a bad thing.
49:26
I said, Well, because if we do this now, for
49:30
whatever political acts we have today, what's to say that
49:33
a progressive president coming in, you know, a Kamala Harris
49:36
or Gama newsom you know, say okay, well now you
49:38
can't buy red meat. Now you can't buy this. Now
49:41
you can't buy that. We have to be consistent. Consistency
49:45
is important.
49:45
Speaker 4: Well, and I would make the argument Snap in itself
49:48
becomes the problem. Not how do you regulate Snap, but
49:51
should you have a Snap in the first place?
49:54
Speaker 6: Right?
49:55
Speaker 2: No?
49:55
Speaker 3: No, And that's that's exactly it. I mean, it's a
49:57
when you start to skew with the system, all of
49:59
the other outcomes happen.
50:01
Speaker 4: It becomes that self consuming ice cream.
50:03
Speaker 3: Go maybe AEI ought to do that study, you know,
50:06
and point to when you do this and when you
50:08
change this, it gets more of these people back to work.
50:11
Speaker 4: It's it's the political butterfly effect, you know. It's because
50:15
it's just an innocuous little thing. Oh, it's just we
50:18
want to make this illegal in town. But it's got
50:21
that ripple effect that goes along and then somebody comes along,
50:25
like you know, a Joe Biden who goes and wants
50:27
to crack down on radio, or Barack Obama says, well,
50:31
if you want, if you want, what did he say
50:34
to journalists one year? He said, if you want to
50:36
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50:40
to get a license from the government to be a journalist.
50:42
I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell? And we
50:45
were we I had people at Fox News saying, well,
50:48
we're thinking about it.
50:49
Speaker 3: It might be a good odd listen. I was a
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Soviet studies major. William and Mary, Yes, God bless you.
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I remember reading the Soviet and you know, the Soviet
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Constitution protected free speech, protected freedom of the press, but
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what they didn't protect was private property rights. So if
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all of a sudden, the government is responsible for, you know,
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owning the facilities where you're doing your business, or is
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able to decide where you can live, all of a sudden,
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you don't have free speech anymore. If the government is
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deciding whether or not you're a journalist. We don't have
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free speech anymore, a man Andrews. So what's going on
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at Seapack? Well, listen, as I said, we're doing this
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Center for Regulatory Freedom, the Coalition Non Regulatory Engagement. The
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big conference happening, I want to say, end of February,
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beginning of March. But this year the big national conference
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is moving to Grapevine, Texas, you know, outside of Dallas.
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So go and check it out. Seapac dot org is
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the website. I'm blogging there, doing all kinds of video clips.
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Go and check us out.
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Speaker 4: Hey, honey, you gotta get on booking dot com. Then
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apparently we can't drive to Seapack this year. Oh you
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can drive, It'll just be a just be a longer drive.
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What is Stephen right now? All of a sudden, anything
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in the world is walking distance if you have enough time. Well, anyway,
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thank you and thank you for joining in. Back in
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the Virginia studios, the home base Jefferson and Woodrow Wilson's hometown.
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You want to talk about being of two minds, Woolf
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And even like the Louisiana purchase. Here we are in
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New Orleans and the Louisiana purchase where was that in
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Jefferson's right? Where was that in the foundation of the
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United States? One of those things that people say, what
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was Jefferson's constitutional mandate for buying all this land from France.
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It's just one of those things that it becomes a
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question anyway for you until tomorrow morning, as I travel
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so long and thanks for all the fish.
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