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Eagles Defense Surprises Offense on Eve of 1st Padded Practice · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? Jeff
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Mosher and Adam Kaplan joined again as usual and happily
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by Inside the Birds dot COM's Andrew de Checho. And
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when you see all three of us, are you hear
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all three of us? You know that the Eagles are
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smack dab in the middle of training camp. And for
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those watching on YouTube, I'm sure you've noticed that we're
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all a nice shade of tan because we were at
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Monday's practice and it was sweltering fellas ninety seven degrees
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felt even hotter than that. Wasn't humid? Wasn't that bad?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Very very hot?
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Speaker 2: And I would have left, to be honest with you,
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I would have left if it was human. I'm out.
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It's like, you know, what do I need to be here?
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I'll be at other practices. But yeah, it was. And
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you know, it's funny because you know when you dry,
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when you're driving from there, and you look at the
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temperature because it's it's reflected off of like the asphalt,
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it's at one hundred and three And when I looked
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at and I'm like, there's no way to hundred and three,
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but it's off the ground. But anyway, Yeah, it was brutal.
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Speaker 3: I was one of the first guys out there. I
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may have been the first guy out there. And I'm
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like walking up and down the field. I'm like, this
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is football weather. I'm ready, let's go.
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Speaker 2: Although Vic Fanio, how about him?
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Speaker 1: And I haven't even left my house yet, and I'm
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just checking X and I see Andrew texting the picture
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of the field with nobody on it. I'm like, why
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is he there so early?
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Speaker 2: What time do you get there? What time do you
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get on out there?
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Speaker 3: At nine o'clock? I was there at nine on the field.
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Speaker 2: Oh, because we had no you able to get players before.
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Speaker 3: No, I just like to get mentally prepared.
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Speaker 1: He has the sickness. What were you saying about Vic Fangio?
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Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say. Vic was wearing a sweatshirt.
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I'm like, what is he doing? Was it the hoodie?
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Speaker 1: A lot of coaches, Jamal Singleton wore a sweatshirt. I
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remember Harold Carmichael. He used to always wear long sleeve
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hoodies when he was the guy who would catch the
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ball and place it before every rep. But I think
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that's like a football player slash coaching thing where you're
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trying to lose weight and be manly.
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Speaker 2: And well, I thought so because there's an offensive line
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coach I know, and I visited with him over the
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years and he would wear the hood and that he
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was probably three hundred pounds then. And I get that
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you're trying to lose the water weight, but man, it
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was brutal. Jeff, let me ask you this question from
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all your days at Lee High. Now I know about
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your storm one. I saw that picture that you put out,
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which is incredible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Lehigh is in the middle of the country, right, so
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you get old country heat. Was Monday's practice? Was that
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going back in your memory? Was that one of the
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hottest you could remember?
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Speaker 1: Well, as I think I told you or something, the
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hottest I've ever been at a practice of any kind
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was when we did the joint practice against the Dolphins
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in Miami two years ago. And I honestly thought that
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if I wanted to know what hell felt like, that
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was probably it. I mean that, because that was the
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one hundred degrees and one hundred percent humidity. There was
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just You're just standing in your own soup watching football.
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That's the hottest I've ever been LEI for most people
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who don't even realize this. Most of the morning practices
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started at eight a m. So that was intentional there.
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Those practices weren't that bad. You know, hour hour and
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a half, you're down by nine thirty, so the temperature
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is still rising at that point. But the afternoon special
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teams ten ten and the ten ten tens were just
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got awful. Especially August. We get really really humid in August.
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It's very strange, you know. Reuben Frank and I to
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talk about this because it was like located in the mountains,
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right and you're in a valley. There were days where
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it felt like the humidity was not there, like you
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trap the cool, breezy air in, and then there were
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days where it's like nope, nope, I feel like I'm
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walking around a bullet piece. So it was just a weird.
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And then yeah, those storms would roll in and roll out,
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which you don't have to worry about the novacare not
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because A you can go inside, but B the time
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they practiced, they don't have any late afternoon practices. When
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thunderstorms are known to roll in around here, we're usually done,
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so I don't know they've moved inside for rain. A
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couple of times over the last year for years, Andrew,
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you probably remember that, but not usually a thunderstorm at
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during practice.
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Speaker 3: I don't think, no, no, no, no, nothing like that that
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I can remember.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so there there's always been some positives and
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some benefits. But hey, the big positive for us is
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that all three of us were at Monday's practice. So
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that's great. I mean, we've had full attendance since Andrew's
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been to every practice. I've been to two, Adam eve
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been to one, but we're all there on Monday. I'm
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sorry too, too, my fault. So yeah, we've been well
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attended from Inside the Birds standpoint, and Monday was a
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good day. It was a ramp up day for those
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who read Andrew de Checo's article on Inside the Birds
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dot com. It was the first time they were in
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shorts and shells and Adam, that is always the prelude
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to then the padded practice, which we expect Tuesday today.
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For those listening for the pads to come out, would
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you be surprised if they didn't, Like, do you have
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any knowledge that maybe they're gonna do a couple of
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shorts and shells?
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Speaker 2: I think the pend I think this is supposed to be.
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This was the plan after the five day acclamation period, right,
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and I think they get I think, for me, what's
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that the.
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Speaker 3: Pads were going to be on tomorrow?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I believe. I believe that. The last time I
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looked at the CB, I think was sixteen pet of
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practices for training camp per club something like that. And
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and I know coaches sometimes they they also like, let's
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say they on a ten plan. Some coaches, if they
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think the club needs it to kick their ass, they'll
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put them in ninety five degree weather in Pats. Now
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Eagles don't hit. What I found comical? Is there more
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and more teams hitting, Like Aaron Glenna apparently did a
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really long hitting session. I love it. I know we're
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gonna have thudd little elbow, little shoulder, but no tackling
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to the ground here in phil. So I'm starting to
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figure this out right. The NFL goes in cycles. We
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all know this, but part of the cycles depends on
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sort of like what the cycle of coaching hires is.
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Also for a while, if you were like touched by
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Sean McVay at all, Like if you rubbed your shoulder
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against Sean McVay as you passed him, you were gonna
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be a head coaching candidate for a job. We know
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there's so many McVay disciples in the league, and McVeagh
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is not a guy who hits a camp. So you
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see a lot of camps run by McVeigh guys that
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are light in nature.
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Speaker 1: But when you talk about Andy Reid disciples and now
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Bill Parcells still has his guys, and let's face it, Campbell,
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Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn come from a parcelsan tree
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from way back. When those guys are gonna be more
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like the old school type and they are gonna hit
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and hit hard. And so if if the more success
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that Dan Campbell, you got more and more Parcels people
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start coaching around league, you'll probably see hitting come back
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in style. It's just what people grew up on that
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That's that's where I'm starting to see about it. I
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think in general, we'll never go back to what it
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used to be. And even even today when they're in pads, Andrew,
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you've seen all the padded practices in the overcare for
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a few years. It's not like the first pad of
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practice under Andy, where it was all right, we're in
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pads let's go bloodbath for two hours.
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Speaker 2: Right, we're going live, live, We're going live, and you
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know what's coming.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 2: That's when truly pads would pop. I don't call what
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Eagles doing, pat, They're not popping. No one's getting hit.
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I laughed at that when they say that. Yeh yeah, yeah.
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As a matter of fact, And Monday's practice is funny.
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A couple of guys got shoulder They're not supposed to
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do that. Yeah, a couple of guys got shoulders.
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Speaker 3: Throw a shoulder and Will Shipley that's one of them.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that was the thing I did. Yeah, yep.
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Speaker 1: And Campbell broke through the line on a goal line
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drill and kind of knocked the ball out of Tanner
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McKey hands.
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Speaker 3: With wearing the red jersey.
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Speaker 1: Yes, right, gotta teach Campbell not to do that. But
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all right, so let's let's talk about the Monday practice
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because there was shorts and chills. I thought it was
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the most Andrew, would you agree that this was the
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that was the best practice for the defense since it
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all started.
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Speaker 3: I and I thought the coverage was sticky. They were physical,
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and I thought there was some decent pressure, especially from
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the interior that really disrupted the time in quarterbacks. You
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saw them hold the ball a tick longer than they
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would have liked to. They evacuated the pocket on member
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numerous occasions. Two interceptions, there could have been a third.
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I thought the defense had a really good day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now you know I have when you do this
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for as long as me and Adam have, Right. I
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walked up to both of you guys and I said,
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you know what, there's been no turnovers in camp up
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to this point. I don't know if that that's gonna stick.
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And even Andrews said, yeah, I feel like that's going
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to change today. And Adam, you know, we saw Jalen
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Hurts and I'll go into the whole schematics of it
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in a second. We'll talk about it. But Jalen Hurts
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threw a pick and then I think it was McKee
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was a m getting picked off going to he.
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Speaker 2: Comic cord. He hit a couple of throws he liked
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to have back on big nice. Yeah, looking at my notes.
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Because he doesn't have a very strong arm, He's got it.
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He's got to get space, he's got to get a
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clean and that ball's got to come out. He's a
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quick processor. But he's got to have the right footwork
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or that ball does not come out. He had hit
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a couple of short ones he did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like if we were to just take
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the interceptions and say that's why the defense had a
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good day, we're selling it short because I thought I
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thought in general, it wasn't the interceptions, Adam. I thought
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it was that. I think Andrew just mentioned. The coverage
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was the quarterbacks had to hold onto the ball quite
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a bit, and they ad took advantage of the whole
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nobody's gonna hit me in training camp rule quite a
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bit there, even some of the completions which look good
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on the offense when you're like, wait a minute, that
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took ten to twelve seconds to exactly exactly.
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Speaker 2: In fact, they should have called a couple of moments.
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I'm like, why are they not calling the play dead?
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This would never happen in a regular game. Would have
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got hit or the ball would have come out of
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the quarterback's hands. Make a fair point, they were trying
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to make it happen, just they would take it too long.
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They're just it was just it was too many delays
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with the ball, Like okay, get rid of the football.
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To the point it was getting bad. Now again, it's
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only one practice. I don't read anything into it. Again,
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We're going to continue to say this. Now, if it
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happens like four days in a row, you got a problem.
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It's one day. I don't care. It doesn't mean anything,
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but it's something to watch though. Yeah, have to make it.
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It's our job to make a note of it, but
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not make a big deal out of it. We just
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don't do that. That's why we're in your eight. People
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listen to us because they know we're going to get
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this straight skinny from us, but we're gonna point it out.
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We all saw the same thing, holding on the ball
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way too long, and when you do that, if it's
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a real game, you're going down. That's the way it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and part of it, Andrew, I don't know. I
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think you were there for Cam Jergens where you're not, Andrew.
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Speaker 3: I was talking to towers Stein at the time, right,
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they were going on simultaneously.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Cam said that the defense did things in
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Monday's practice that it hadn't been doing for the first
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three or four days, so it caught them by surprise,
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which is the cat and mouse of how training camp goes,
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and that's why you'll have certain days where the offense
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looks good, certain days where the defense looks good. So
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one of the things we noticed and we all talked
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about this, and I wrote down a number and I
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had the wrong guy because I thought Smile Monda was
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in the play, but he didn't even practice. But the
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interception that Hurts through was a really interesting play with
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the defenses to we get to see the defense right
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more clearly than the offense because it's coming at us.
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And what I saw on that play stuck out to me.
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One was there was a stunt up front, so they
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were playing some line games, and then that stunt caused
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an open gap and somebody, it must have been Reblanketship.
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Maybe I had the number wrong. I thought it was
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mind and whatever ran through the a gap sort of untouched,
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and that forced Jalen Hurts to throw it because he
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saw that there was a free ride and b that
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it was one on one coverage down the sideline to
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AJ Brown. But he really underthrew it woefully. And Quinnon Mitchell,
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who Andrew you thought was had a good camp right,
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has made a really nice one handed interception on that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Jayleen Hurts obviously throw it off his
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back foot, try to get it to his guy AJ.
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But I thought Quinyon Mitchell really read that well intercepted
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it Christian Parker on the sideline. The Eagles dbast coach
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was fired up. But Quinnon, this is on the heels
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of making a big play against DeVante Smith down the
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sideline on Saturday, and then previously the day before that,
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he had a nice showing against AJ Brown and then
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if you notice, guys, he was also working a little
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bit on the right side as well, which really checks
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out if you listen to what Vick Vanrew had to
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say about him traveling this season.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, he also had a
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pass breakup on AJ Brown a couple of plays earlier,
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at an interception on I think a cross or like
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a dig over the middle where he was able to
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stay in his hip pocket and then just batted down
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the past the last second. Adam, that's hard. Remember when A. J.
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Brown first came to the Eagles and he was just
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abusing the Eagles quarterbacks and we talked about even if
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they had tight coverage, you would just wrestle the ball
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out of their hands.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, look, I remember his first year when I've
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told this before if you'reknew to our show, because I
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could still see it in front of me. The subtle hands.
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You know, he talks about late hands, but it's actually
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subtle hands. He never gets called. He never gets called.
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So he did a subtle push off on a sideline pass.
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Sleigh was on him. He had great coverage, but he
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leveraged him with a little bit of a shove. You
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couldn't see it, Like, there's no way a ref could
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have seen it. I'm like, how did he do that? Well,
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it's he's just really good. He has his own technique.
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He's really good at it. So, yeah, Quinnon trail, he
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trails real well. Match Carrie, deliver, you name it. Everything
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that they're asked to do, he does really really well.
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I liked that they're flipping sides with him, that all
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of them are kind of doing that. The top guys
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are switching sides. That's smart because you never know what's
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going to hap happened, right, It's not yeah for matchup purposes,
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because if you're gonna, if you if if you're gonna,
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if you're gonna let the guy trail, you need to
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do that. And then the other thing is if somebody
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gets hurt, you need someone who could play that other
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side because they're not real deep a corner. Let's let's
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face it true.
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Speaker 1: So why don't we actually Andrew go to the other
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side on that corner?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Dori Jackson got pretty much the in the
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eleven on elevens at Dori Jackson got the first team reps?
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How many days in a row? Now? Is that for him?
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Speaker 4: That's three in a row and you know four, that's
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three out of four and again you'll you'll learn more
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when the Pats come on, obviously, but Dory Jackson has
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surrendered fewer big plays than Keeley Ringo through four practices.
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Speaker 3: That's just a fact of the matter. And I know
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that there was this sentiment that a Doory Jackson didn't
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have a lot left at twenty nine years old, but
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I mean, based on what we've seen, and it hasn't
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been a lot, granted, but that that would be the contrary.
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I think he conducts himself like a veteran and you
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see the urgency in the way that he moves, and
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you know, it's something to keep an eye on here
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moving forward. If he gets a fourth day in a row.
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That kind of reminds me of what happened with Isaiah
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Rodgers and Kailee Ringo last summer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, doesn't that sound familiar to a little bit.
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Speaker 2: But I caution, let's get through the first full week
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that they haven't had a full week of practice yet.
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I don't make any judgments. It doesn't look good so far.
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But you mentioned the pads, and we got to get
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through a full This is a full week, by the way,
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the practicing five out of seven days, you're gonna we're
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gonna know where this thing is at. You won't have
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to guess, think or visualized. You'll know exactly where this
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comp It's none def with the calcultar. Everybody's all calcua.
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Terra's to the two. He's not the two yet right
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now he is. You gotta get through. You got to
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get through a full week. We got to get more physical.
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There's there's so much more to go here before we
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start making declarations.
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Speaker 3: Sure, this is where we start learning more when the
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pads come on.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So let's let's stick in the secondary. A couple
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of things that jumped out so at Saturday's practice, Mkuba
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and Gray got hurt, right, then they run into each other.
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Speaker 2: Is that?
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Speaker 3: Is that what they lighted on Saturday? And no Gray
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with the with the finger injury and no Makuba with
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the shoulder today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like these are two guys that really
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can't afford to miss too much time either. Don't you
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think at them? I mean they got to these are
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prove it guys. Well, I mean, well, he's not a
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team but he's trying to be for a start to start.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to there there, Let's be honest. He
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should be starting by the end of training camp. But
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missing practice, you know, it's a shame. And what I
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do worry about because he can't you can't really do
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anything until he could take contact on that shoulder. We
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don't know what shoulder it was. It happened late in
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Saturday's practice, right, So that's valuable pract you know, that's
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valuable practice time for rookie because you know what Vic
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does and we saw this last summer. If you doesn't
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think you have enough practice time, you're not getting on
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the field to be a starter. So he's got to
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get out.
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Speaker 1: There, right, and Brown was basically the first team safety
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Andrew when.
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Speaker 3: He took most of those. He took most of those reps.
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I don't I don't see. I didn't remember seeing anything
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with in terms of the rotation with Tristan McCollum or
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anything like that. It was pretty much Sydney right.
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Speaker 1: And what was the witty pun that I came up with?
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I know everybody wants to know about Lewis scene, but
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so far he's been heard more than scene. Is that
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it's true?
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Speaker 2: Is there is there a fifteen he might be on it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, him and Max and Hook.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so clearly there's there. And again we're just one weekend.
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But if there's gonna be some ascent which usually start
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to see when the pads come out and then go
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into week two, we'll have to monitor that.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, just real quick, you I get it.
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Padded practice are the most important of all practices. It's
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not the end all be all. It's it's not like,
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you know what, We're gonna have ten practices that are
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padded every every other practice means absolutely nothing like that's
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not the way it works. You've got to be careful
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of what padded practices are because there's no hitting, right,
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it's you're wearing padded. You're wearing pats. Yes, that's you're
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wearing more or less your uniform, right, but let's not
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ignore other practices. Be careful because you're not you're selling
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other guys short because there by the way their guys
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are standing out like that. Terrace Marshall, we've talked about
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a lot so far standing out and Annia Smith, who's
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been very his usage guys when they go to eleven,
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he's the third receiver inside. Right, that's happened for one
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action when I wasn't there, I heard he's been like that,
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So clearly they see something in him. Now, as you said, okay,
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the pads are gonna come on, he's got to show up.
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But na Smith here has got a real shot, and
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not only to make the team he's a draftee, but
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they actually.
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Speaker 1: Have a role. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So far he hasn't really stood out in team drills,
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but I thought today in one on ones he did.
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He had some nice some nice reps against Cooper Dejen
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separating at the top of routes, using his quickness and
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things like that. This is a very big summer for
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an Ias. He's also getting some looks as a punt returner.
18:52
As well. Needless to say, if he's able to showcase
18:54
that he can provide some value there, that's going to
18:56
go a long way in helping him earn a roster spot.
19:00
Speaker 1: Andrew, you had a note on defense, getting back that
19:02
way about McWilliams, Mac McWilliams, mack McWilliams, round pick. What
19:09
have you seen.
19:11
Speaker 3: He's feisty, he's competitive, He plays a little bit bigger
19:14
than his size would indicate. He had a nice breakup
19:16
in the red zone against six foot six Johnny Wilson.
19:20
He has really good instincts. It's been a solid showing
19:23
for him through four practices. I think if if he's
19:26
able to continue to grow within this nickel role, that's
19:30
going to give Vick some optionality. He also got some
19:32
looks in dime packages previously that had been mcooba. Mccooba
19:36
wasn't there. McWilliams got the opportunity today. I think he's
19:39
you know, it seems like he's a little bit intriguing here.
19:42
I'm gonna be keeping an.
19:43
Speaker 2: Eye how strong as you think. You know, he's built
19:46
well for his size. Oh, by the way, that pass
19:49
you're told me with with Johnny Wilson Johnny Wilson's got
19:54
to make a better effort. That ball was short. The
19:56
ball was not It was not a good It was
19:57
not a good pass. And remember now Mac mcwims is
20:01
what five ten is, five to eleven, he's got six
20:04
to eight inches on this guy, like you gotta I'm
20:07
not the only one who saw that, and I'll leave
20:09
it at that. The first thing I said, Jeff, and
20:11
that's what we to talking about. The first thing I
20:13
saw was like, man, you got to make a better
20:14
effort when you got you're almost you're over half a
20:16
foot taller in that guy. Yeah, it could actually have
20:19
been picked off. To be honest with you, he should
20:20
have made a better effort. He's the kind of guy
20:23
if if he just understands what he's got in him.
20:28
We talked about this last summer. He needs to learn
20:31
how to use his size in the red zone. He
20:33
should kill it with his size to him.
20:36
Speaker 3: With that length, that that should be a unique advantage
20:39
that the offense has when he's on the field. But
20:41
he doesn't play to his size. He hasn't to this point.
20:44
Speaker 1: Ye move to the front of the defense a little bit.
20:47
I think the thing that stood out to me uh.
20:51
We saw Jordan and again Jalen Carter just practiced for
20:54
the first time on Monday, and I don't he did
20:56
not do everything.
20:57
Speaker 2: You know.
20:57
Speaker 1: It's funny they keep saying John Campbell is limited, and
21:00
like in what way? Because he's out there a lot.
21:03
I don't, so I don't understand the limit, the limited
21:05
nature on him. But Jill and Carter took reps, but
21:09
not all of them as they're easing him back in.
21:12
So in four man Front, we saw Jordan Davis next
21:16
to like Morojomo so in a in a in a
21:18
in a sort of three technique pass rusher role that
21:22
they coaches have said, and Jordan Davis has said that
21:25
he's really, you know, anticipating more of you guys. Notice anything.
21:29
I I tried to focus in on it, and what
21:32
I did notice is on a few pass rush I
21:34
felt he continued to get high on the pass rush
21:38
and lose his leverage, which went to your point, because you, yeah,
21:42
just because you lose doesn't mean your technique is going
21:45
to be right right now.
21:46
Speaker 2: In fact, I remember turning to you he got way
21:47
too high. It was so obvious you got completion. This
21:51
is what Greg co sel taught us. When he is
21:53
bad technique, he is so out of the play. Which
21:55
about Jordan Davis here. Yes, and as I said last
21:58
week the weight loss, it only matters if you use
22:01
proper technique because what will happen? Though he should when
22:05
when you Greg pointed this out because because of the fit,
22:08
because of the stamina and conditioning, he would get sloppy
22:12
with his technique because he probably was not in condition. Well,
22:14
condition is not a problem for him. He looks great physically,
22:17
so the technique should be better. And he knows better
22:19
than to get high and he just the like I
22:23
said last week, he'd be two seven. He doesn't matter
22:25
if you don't use proper technique.
22:28
Speaker 1: Andrew, what did you notice about the inside linebackers? Obviously
22:31
with Campbell mixing with Trotter, Trotter seems to be pretty active.
22:35
Speaker 3: I think so far Trotter has had a solid camp. Today,
22:39
he forced an incompletion on the sideline to say kuon Barkley.
22:43
I thought he did a nice job closing there, looked
22:46
all right during one on ones, and he he made
22:48
some nice plays and run fits. He's very instinctive good
22:51
play recognition, so I thought that he did a solid job.
22:55
Campbell's still working in with the ones that's going to
22:57
obviously continue barring something unforeseen. And then outside of that,
23:02
the Eagles don't have a lot of bodies there at linebackers,
23:04
so without Mondon Jr. You're seeing the likes of Dallas
23:07
Gant working with the second and third team and Lance
23:10
Stixon as well.
23:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I remember the second Pact, I think
23:15
that was the last Thursday. You probably remember this too,
23:18
that they ran a few crossers that Trotter was like,
23:21
it was just like a hair off. I remember the one.
23:23
He almost broke up and got mad and he slapped
23:25
his fans. It seems like in coverage he knows where
23:29
to be, he's sound, he can, he can you can
23:32
get in front of him with the crosser. But when
23:35
they try those runs or when they like you're saying,
23:37
he's been able to get downhill and he flows to
23:39
the ball really quickly, that's kind of the book on
23:42
him anyway, right, And that's where you see the big
23:44
difference between Campbell and Trotter in terms of athleticism and
23:48
being able to kind of flow sideline to sideline and
23:51
get to where you need to go and then make
23:52
the play. Trotter Junior oftentimes will find himself in the
23:55
in the right in the right position. But teams will
23:58
you know, they have the propensity to pick on players
24:02
like that.
24:04
Speaker 3: If you're not able to close quickly.
24:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Adam, anything else defensively that jumped out at
24:09
you that you want.
24:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got three notes. Yeah, I have three notes.
24:12
So what I loved is you were alluding to it.
24:15
But I'll take it one step further. Formationally, they were
24:17
doing a lot of stuff doing Money's practice.
24:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:20
Speaker 2: They they had a couple of nice overloads which I
24:23
really liked, with two edges on one side. And I
24:28
don't know if it was to you, I said to
24:29
somebody else.
24:29
Speaker 1: You did to me.
24:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they gotta choose who they're gonna who they're
24:33
gonna try to block, because I don't know how like
24:34
it happened so quickly, and they disguised it really well.
24:37
See for a team that doesn't blitz, you gotta or
24:42
we know they're the kings of sim pressures. But if
24:44
you're not gonna send six or sometimes five, you gotta
24:48
you gotta change it up a little bit. And Vick
24:50
is for all the knocks vic got before he got
24:52
to Philly. He's not imaginative and all this stuff, you
24:55
could throw it out the window. It all works, man,
24:58
it all works. And I'll tell you what. Josh uche
25:01
moves real well, he's number zero. I did notice him
25:03
on Monday. He looked he can move. Obo Conchro got
25:09
a lot of work with the twos, like see, here's
25:13
the thing they have depth. How good it is is
25:16
the question. We know it's too early. Ouch could play.
25:19
He can move like. He didn't look stiff at all.
25:22
Now again it's training camp practice, but for some people
25:25
said he can't play anymore. I'm not going to go
25:27
there at all.
25:29
Speaker 1: I did ask Moro a Jomo if the front did
25:34
more exotic stuff and line games today, and both I
25:36
asked as well, had said. Jomo agreed they did more
25:41
upfront and said that Monday was a must I forget
25:46
what he termed it, like a musk call or a
25:47
must do day, meaning whatever play call was called the
25:52
hats there was no I guess certain times you can,
25:54
like if you're a pass rusher, you can sort of
25:56
create your own plan and do what you want to do.
25:58
But everybody had to go buy the book on Monday
26:01
and do what they were told to do. So I
26:03
thought that was pretty interesting.
26:05
Speaker 2: Oh, one more, Patrick Johnson got a ton of work
26:08
he got What was that all about?
26:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got He got a decent amount of work
26:13
on Saturday as well.
26:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember looking at you guys going, is that
26:17
Patrick Johnson opposite Jelex Hunt there on the first team,
26:19
And it sure was.
26:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what honestly, And I didn't track
26:24
Doald Smith snaps because I saw him a lot earlier
26:26
than that. I didn't see him a lot the rest
26:28
of practice because they were working in and o'conchrow and
26:33
it was Lauri got a ton of work early and
26:35
then they were they were they were just rolling guys in,
26:37
which is typical. And then like the second half of practice,
26:40
I'm like, Patrick Johnson's got a lot of work with
26:42
the ones. He's a guy that if he makes it,
26:45
almost certainly won't play on defense. He's been a special
26:47
teams player for most of his career. But I just,
26:49
I mean, I got to make a note of it.
26:51
I mean, again, it's unlikely ever to play on defense
26:55
very much, if at all, But I just thought it.
26:57
Speaker 3: Was he had a nice summer last year and then
27:00
he made the team. That was he didn't play on
27:01
defense at all, you know what I mean, it was
27:04
just solely on special teams.
27:06
Speaker 1: He's like the new Stephen means. I mean, he just
27:08
rapped every practice. Okay, but then you know, make the
27:12
fifty three and then you sit on the bench special teams. Steve, Yeah,
27:16
all right, good, let's transition to the offense. We mentioned
27:18
the quarterbacks. You know that was a day and then listen,
27:21
I think they're tied hand in hand. When the defense
27:23
does stuff the way it did and confuses the offense,
27:27
which has gone three four days. This is why joint
27:29
practices are really good, because you see something other than
27:33
your own offense or your own alignments, you know, for
27:36
the next three days. I think that that's part of
27:37
the reason why the offense was out of sync, because
27:40
the defense was trying some different things. And that's fine,
27:43
that's gonna happen. It's part of camp. Adam. You liked
27:46
what you saw on Nia Smith Andrew. You've talked about
27:49
christ Marshall too, right, Yeah.
27:50
Speaker 2: Turreth Marshall, and we've outlined the issues for him over
27:54
this career. If you if you note our show listened
27:56
to last week's shows, we kind of gave you everything
27:58
you need to know about Terres Marshall. He's got the
28:00
ideal left. At around six y three, he could run.
28:03
He's more of a intermediate than a nine route runner.
28:06
He's more of a seven route. But the guy's got
28:09
ideal left. He's just a better football player in Johnny Wilson.
28:12
But you know what, he's been on four teams. There's
28:15
a reason. It's consistency to his approach. It's being coachable,
28:20
it's playing to your level of talent. He doesn't play
28:23
off to this level of talent. That's been his problem.
28:25
But he's got a wonderful opportunity to make this team.
28:28
We know they're not going to be a team that's
28:29
kind of play a lot of eleven personnel because they're
28:31
gonna be overrun team again. But the bottom line is
28:35
he's got a chance. I know he doesn't really play
28:37
special teams, but the guy, again no offense of Johnny Wilson,
28:40
plays a little bit of special teams. But Terres Marshall
28:43
watched both Wilson eighty nine, If folks, if you get
28:45
to go to practice and forty six, Marshall look how
28:48
fluid Marshall's comparably to Wilson.
28:50
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, it's not even close. I mean Johnny Wilson
28:52
to the only thing the only thing that Johnny Wilson
28:55
has right now over terras Marshall's that he played twenty
28:58
four percent of the special teams last year. But a
29:02
note on a nice smith. He looks noticeably more confident
29:06
than he did last summer. He's running routes and everything
29:10
he's doing there's a lot more advanced than what he
29:12
was doing last year when he was trying to find
29:14
his way. And again talking to him last year, coming
29:16
off the injury, it gave him a different perspective where
29:19
he was able to kind of take a step back,
29:20
let the game slow down a little bit, and it
29:23
seemed like he was starting to build some more confidence.
29:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the first obviously learning thing is that
29:29
he's not I don't think he's dropping past his left
29:32
and right the wind.
29:33
Speaker 2: Now, well, you know what, remember he missed their hall
29:36
pretty much with the whole offseason program. He had two
29:39
different injuries he was dealing with. To me, this is
29:41
almost like his rookie season. He takes what he banged
29:44
from a learning standpoint last summer, but he didn't really
29:46
perform and now he's got a chance to do it.
29:49
And honestly, if you look at their guys who could
29:51
play slot. Tervis Marshall's not a slot receiver, but he
29:55
could play inside if you need him to, because he's
29:57
done it before it. DeVante Smith's numbers over the years
29:59
are good inside and Jeff, you would have knowe. You
30:01
and I were discussing on during Monday with Johan Dotson.
30:05
What do you see from Dotson and usage and so.
30:07
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard because DeVante Sith was not he did
30:10
not practice Monday. What what's the he's a little banged
30:12
up Andrews right, So the note I noted. What I
30:19
noticed is that they continue to use dots in in
30:22
reduced splits like he might be outside, but he's really
30:26
inside because they're tighter splits, which is what the US
30:29
did a lot last year, especially when they ran so
30:31
he doesn't line up in a typical normal slot receiver alignment,
30:36
you know when you go like three wide right and
30:39
you have your interior slot receiver. They they're just they
30:42
do they don't use him. They didn't even use them
30:44
like that last year. A whole lot either because he's
30:47
not a natural slot receiver, but also on Monday, they
30:51
probably did that because he was playing more of a
30:53
move Z. I imagine.
30:55
Speaker 2: Definitely he is a Z by the way.
30:58
Speaker 1: That's that's what he is, right right, And.
31:01
Speaker 2: With him, you're right because you have to reduce him.
31:03
He's not gonna win as a pure outside receiver. Is
31:06
his knock with Washington's two Finesse didn't win routes when
31:13
he should win against certain dbs who got physical with him.
31:16
But the way they use them, they' freeing them up.
31:18
And man, he can move like he could run, though,
31:20
say what you want about him, the dude could run.
31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Andrew, you've spent in every practice. I
31:26
feel like he's probably getting more targets from hurts per
31:30
day practice rep than say, this time last year. Well
31:34
not this time last year, he wasn't traded there yet,
31:36
but but in just in general, you know.
31:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, having that full off season obviously it
31:41
allows you to build that confidence and continuity with the quarterback.
31:44
He joined the Eagles about two weeks before the team
31:47
left for Brazil last season, so naturally you're kind of
31:50
being shoehorned into the offense and you're not really able
31:53
to find your footing. Later in the season, he acknowledged
31:55
that he started to build more confidence and trust and familiarity.
31:59
And then you saw all the postseason that he had
32:01
and in training camp he's he's been pretty active. He
32:05
seems like there's a purpose, there's a role for him
32:08
this time around.
32:09
Speaker 1: All right, right, all right, how about the offensive line?
32:12
You know, I think obviously the starting Tyler Stein has
32:16
gotten every rep. It feels like this is the one
32:18
that maybe the competition is not really a competition as
32:22
long as Tyler Steen stays healthy. Again, Adam, this is
32:25
where you say, don't get carried away. Things can happen.
32:28
I would get carried with you want him to be
32:30
the right guard, right, It's not.
32:32
Speaker 2: Like a h would have to man, he would have Now.
32:34
I know the pads are coming on today, I get it.
32:37
But the rest of training camp, unless he really less,
32:40
something happens. I know, the knock on him from a
32:42
scouting standpoint, quite guy.
32:46
Speaker 1: Gosh.
32:46
Speaker 2: I remember this was yesterday because I talked to this
32:48
line coach who great him for the draft three years ago,
32:52
said he's kind of like a not the greatest energy
32:55
he needs to be coached, he needs to buy in
32:58
and this is a new position for him. But he
33:00
looks like a different guy. He looks much better. Technique
33:03
is better. You could see if you because I want
33:05
the first like forty five minutes of practice obviously with
33:08
the offensive lineman, because I wanted to see Keegan, who
33:10
again is the third team center. Andrew had that great note.
33:13
I totally forgot about that when he took some reps
33:15
at center at senior ball, and you're seeing it now
33:17
like that they need centers, like you know they you'd
33:22
rather not have Dickerson do it if Jurgens couldn't play,
33:25
so but they are mixing and matching. By the way,
33:28
Canard's played, had a couple of different positions in training
33:31
camp Darian Canard, so they're doing some different things.
33:34
Speaker 1: I know, Andrew, you're you're bullish on Canard? Do you
33:36
think that? You know, he's made the fifty three last
33:40
year and he's there's like seven more linemen in camp
33:43
this year, but he still has the versatility to play
33:46
both right guard and right tackle. Yeah.
33:49
Speaker 3: I got to know him a little bit last year
33:50
talking to him, and that's somebody that was obviously intriguing
33:53
when they signed him to a reserve future steal last
33:56
summer and our last offseason, and he can give you
33:59
that versus two. He right tackle and he played right
34:01
guard when Stein hurt his ankle, so he moonlighted there
34:04
a little bit, so that optionality could help. And he
34:07
does give you some experience. It's a developmental upside over
34:10
maybe some of the other players.
34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you played him in ping pong yet?
34:14
Speaker 3: No, but he's their ping pong champion, their resident champion, all.
34:18
Speaker 1: Right, just making sure, so Keegan snap, I tried to
34:21
get you. Guys may have heard me. I tried to
34:23
get Nick Siriani in his press conference to admit that
34:26
he really would like a back up, a true backup
34:28
center that's not named by the Dickerson. But he wasn't.
34:31
He wasn't taking the bait there. But I mean it's
34:33
pretty obvious. You got you draft Drew Kendall, who can
34:36
who's a center, and now you have Trevor Keegan, who
34:39
has not been a center much. Did it in Senia
34:41
Bowl taking snaps and I think he took reps a
34:43
third team center at the practice. Everybody, yeah, yeah, And
34:47
then I think he had a holding in the red
34:48
zone drill that got him a little bit of an
34:50
earful but but nonetheless, I mean they're they're really looking
34:55
to see if somebody can handle that role real quick.
34:58
Speaker 2: Andrew, did you see Kennell play? I have not him
35:00
line up of guard? Have you seen him line up
35:01
of guard yet?
35:02
Speaker 1: No?
35:02
Speaker 3: Just center?
35:03
Speaker 1: I do think so, Okay, yeah, because Toath is now
35:06
basically playing guard, right yeah, I mean we'll focus backup
35:11
center and then he.
35:12
Speaker 3: And then second team left guard right right.
35:16
Speaker 1: So so yeah, that competition will will continue to go on,
35:19
all right, observations other ones Adam offensively as we're talking
35:24
anything on the backup quarterbacks that stuck out to you.
35:28
Speaker 2: McKee Again, his mobility is good. He needs to like now.
35:33
Typically he processes super quickly and gets One of the
35:35
things I really like about him is is that when
35:39
you process quickly, run after the catch becomes a major factor.
35:42
Like when you get it out, you're not even let
35:44
the d the dB set up, or like I'll give
35:48
you an example, like Herts had a great throw on
35:50
a cross order Goddard.
35:53
Speaker 1: He led Goddard like.
35:54
Speaker 2: It was a five step drop, and that ball came
35:57
out because Jaleen's not a big timing anticipation thrower, but Dish,
36:00
I'm sure as I was that ball was out and
36:04
Goddard could have run seventy yards like because the the
36:07
dB was trailing and he put it out there, he
36:10
goes go get it. That's what Tanner McKee specializes in. Now,
36:13
on Monday, I thought he was trying to be he
36:16
was trying to make the big play. He's got to
36:19
play within rhythm, the way that he was coached, the
36:22
way he typically plays. I don't know what was going
36:24
on with him. And quite frankly, as we said to
36:27
start the show with the quarterbacks, man, they were really
36:29
holding the ball way too long. And now now, as
36:31
you said, Jeff, they're throwing a lot at them, and
36:35
that's probably something to do with them. They were not
36:36
expecting it.
36:37
Speaker 1: Didn't McKee. Have McKee have one real nice touch pass
36:40
though that Johnny Wilson right, yeah, yeah, because there were
36:45
a couple I believe it was in the middle of
36:46
his zone and the linebacker was dropping back and the
36:50
safety was coming in and he put it in the
36:52
right spot where you're gonna hit Johnny Wilson there.
36:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And McCollum was trailing a little bit and
36:57
if I'm remembering that play right, Yeah, so it was pas.
37:01
Speaker 1: It is nice because you know, sometimes the rocket arm
37:03
guys don't have the greatest touch pass, but I think
37:06
he does. I mean he can put it over the
37:08
middle pretty nicely.
37:10
Speaker 3: And he processes quickly usually.
37:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we all were there to see the the
37:16
worst play of the day, which that non worst non
37:19
interception play. Poor Kylon Grantson had a chance to really
37:24
make his name know and had a chance to catch
37:26
a nice little time. That was the red zone drill correct,
37:28
and that was d t R through that had a
37:32
couple of nice throws by the way.
37:33
Speaker 2: Right, ye arm strengths man. By the way, that that's
37:36
not the problem with him. It's just yeah, he's got
37:40
he can move. It's just letting the game come to him.
37:44
It's it's that's you know why Cleveland wanted to move him.
37:47
But there was some talent with him, no doubt.
37:50
Speaker 1: Yeah that Grantson, what is it was like a double
37:52
bobble yeah.
37:53
Speaker 3: And then and then I mean he was wide open
37:57
in the in the back of the end zone. And
37:59
then and then I think if I remember right, DTR
38:02
hit nick me use to end practice, Yeah in him
38:06
right and stride.
38:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
38:08
Speaker 1: Like Adam said, when it's there and he sees it,
38:10
he he hits it pretty well. He's got a good
38:12
trigger arm. But you just don't see that on a
38:15
on a consistent enough basis from DTR. And I still wonder.
38:18
I mentioned this with Adam Andrew I'll get your opinion
38:21
on it in the podcast that came out on Monday,
38:24
is that he runs a lot, which is obviously one
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of his strengths. And I don't know if that's him
38:29
running RPOs and dialing his own number or if the
38:32
coaches are just using that in their play calling to
38:35
the advantage. But I feel like it's hard to evaluate
38:38
him more as a pass as a passer and taking
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up a roster spot when they have him doing a
38:43
lot of zone read.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be something that the coaches are having
38:48
him do. I'm not exactly sure, and maybe it's just
38:50
instinct on his part, but he does that sometimes on
38:53
seven on seven's and that's a that's a drill that's
38:56
designed to get the ball out. I mean, it's I
38:58
don't know, it's something to keep an eye.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Yeah, that's what, thank you, That's what
39:02
I'd written down. Why are you doing this on seven
39:04
on sevens when all you can do is stand back
39:07
there and throw the ball? I remember, it's too right, right,
39:12
It's just like dude, just you know, camp out there
39:14
and throw it. Don't look better? Yeah? Yeah, all right,
39:18
good stuff. That that's so that's summation. The first day
39:20
in shorts and shells Tuesday. Today, I say is pads,
39:24
so looking forward to those coming out and uh, we'll
39:27
continue to do this and wrap up practice. Is there
39:29
any other thoughts anyone had to to leave with here?
39:33
But I will say this, I think Nick Sirianni, like I.
39:35
Sometimes he gets a reputation for being so player friendly
39:39
because he's all about his player's numbers and wearing their shirts.
39:42
But when you watch him coach right and Adam. This
39:45
has been consistent since his first year. He will coach,
39:48
he coaches his coaches.
39:50
Speaker 2: He okay, it was hot. I'm going to give you
39:52
one one, one little story. I know I've told his
39:55
story and I'm not going to repeat exactly what Sirianni
39:57
said to Kenny Gainwell, but he went after Kenny game
40:00
well out of practice in Cleveland and Kenny Game one
40:04
had two mental hours in a row and that one's
40:06
bad enough, and he let him have no He one
40:10
of the the beauties of being a CEO head coach.
40:13
And now we'll watch Tom Kaughlin do it for so
40:15
many practice over the years. He knows the game. He's
40:19
a Hall of Fame type coach to Tom, super Bowl
40:21
winner as a head coach, I believe, and you know what,
40:24
you don't have to worry about coaching position though he did.
40:27
He's coach receives coach other positions before. But Nick has
40:31
that freedom because he doesn't have to be somewhere. So
40:35
you see him by the way he popped on defense
40:37
on Monday. I saw him there. I was like, oh wow,
40:39
interesting he's watching defense. And by the way Batulo, I
40:43
know he's calling plays. But every once in a while,
40:46
I'm not sure what, Like he'll pop into a position
40:49
because you know he's coach receivers and quarterbacks. He'll take
40:52
a second and he'll go over and see what's going
40:54
on over there, and he'll go back because maybe it's
40:57
in between pleasures. I don't know what it is, but
40:59
so yeah, they this look. You don't become a Super
41:02
Bowl team without having great coaching. They coach the hell
41:04
out of these guys, there's no doubt indeed.
41:06
Speaker 1: And by the way, the pads coming out means that
41:08
the lineman versus offensive lineman defensive lineman one on one's
41:11
getting yeah. Yeah.
41:18
Speaker 2: Do you remember going to the senior ball when they
41:23
called it the pit It would be the offensive defensive
41:26
lineman going after each other. I mean it was because
41:30
you're not you know, there's no hitting, but they hit,
41:33
they punched, and you're trying to beat each other.
41:36
Speaker 1: It was just something else contact. Yeah, yeah, to your point,
41:40
it gets sort of that, like the the linemen who
41:44
are not participating in circle, they become like fans circle. Right,
41:47
you hit on an Eagles camp, it's a little quieter
41:50
and sometimes the veteran offensive lineman Herriman's just talking about that,
41:55
don't get you know, nobody ever wanted to face Trent
41:57
Cole because Trent Cole went one hundred mile prior on
42:00
August eleventh, on the fifteenth days. Those guys just wanted
42:04
to be healthy. So Herriman's will be like, yeah, go ahead,
42:06
go for it. You know you got it. I know
42:08
I'm on the team. Go ahead do you want, I'm
42:09
just gonna give you. So it's not the same, it's
42:12
a little quieter. But I think when you have so
42:14
many young defensive alignment and young offensive linement as the
42:18
Eagles have competing for jobs, it should be pretty fun.
42:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I'll add is that guys could actually
42:25
once you're in pads. There's one thing I do like
42:27
about being in paths is let's say you've been like
42:29
average so far for the first four days. Because it's
42:33
in pads, guys usually ratchet up a little bit. Sometimes
42:35
some reformance takes a step that you didn't expect. Go, wow,
42:39
this dude really stood out today. We'll see if this
42:41
means something. So we'll be looking for that on Tuesday, all.
42:45
Speaker 1: Right, And you know on Inside the Birds we'll have
42:46
it all covered between myself, Adam Kaplan of course he's
42:50
there every single day, Andrew to check. Oh, that's gonna
42:53
do it for this episode of Inside the Birds, the
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leading podcast in Eagles Intel, and as always, we thank
42:59
you for flying with us Inside Dubbirds.
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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.